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When the unemployment rate is falling in the election year, the incumbent President gets re-elected. When it's rising, the incumbent loses.
(maybe) The Chart That Matters for Obama's Re-Election |
| | | 1 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Wed, May 18, 2011, 10:39
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That's probably the most important indicator. Another is the perception of gas prices.
[As an aside, I was surprised to see gas suddenly dropped a dime a gallon in my town--down to $3.87. A nice surprise].
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| | | 2 | DWetzel
ID: 53326279 Wed, May 18, 2011, 11:28
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Oil prices dropped by about $10 a barrel a couple of weeks ago. Speculation is that it had something to do with someone [SPOILER FOR BOLDWIN]Soros[/SPOILER FOR BOLDWIN] either dumping a big oil position or maybejust talking about how he thought it was a bubble or something (not sure on details).
Surprised it only went down a dime a gallon -- came down about 30 cents here (unfortunately to the same number as you reported).
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| | | 3 | DWetzel
ID: 53326279 Wed, May 18, 2011, 11:36
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Re: the original post: pretty much yup.
"It's the economy, {redacted for civility}" :)
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| | | 4 | Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916 Wed, May 18, 2011, 12:38
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#2 The speculation about Soros was about gold, not oil.
Gold gained, halting a two-day drop, as declines in Asian stocks and commodities helped ignite demand for safer assets even after billionaire investor George Soros sold most of his exchange-traded bullion holdings.
Immediate-delivery gold rose 0.4 percent to $1,495.22 an ounce at 11:54 a.m. in Mumbai. Silver futures were little changed at $34.085 an ounce, while cash silver advanced 2 percent to $34.2750, rebounding from a 5.1 percent decline yesterday.
Asian stocks fell for a fourth day on concern that the global economic recovery is slowing. Data today may show U.S. housing starts hovered in April around the lows reached during the recession, while growth in industrial production slowed.
Soros Fund Management LLC held 49,400 shares of SPDR Gold Trust as of March 31, compared with 4.721 million at end-December, according to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. It also sold all 5 million shares in iShares Gold Trust.
“Soros was sitting on a huge profit and like a lot of investors of late, he was happy to take those profits off the table,” said Gavin Wendt, founding director at MineLife Pty in Sydney. “That shouldn’t surprise people. Gold has been rising for a decade for fundamental reasons, which haven’t gone away.”
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Of course, whenever Soros' name is mentioned, a certain segment of the population points to whatever the subject as proof that he's trying to destroy America. But, as we also learn from the Bloomberg article:
The Soros sale may lead to selling at the margin today by guru driven sellers reading simplistic articles.
However, Soros ETF sale is of far less importance than the much less reported upon and analysed investment demand, pension demand and central bank demand from Asia and internationally.
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| | | 5 | Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Wed, May 18, 2011, 13:43
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Oil has gone down recently because the dollar has gone up IMO. I suspect oil priced in Euros, or whatever currency went down, did not go down in price.
So, it would be good for Obama to keep unemploymemnt around where it is until January, and then take actions to reduce it.
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| | | 6 | DWetzel
ID: 53326279 Wed, May 18, 2011, 14:21
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My bad re: the oil/gold mixup.
Re: post 5, it'd be even better for him, by far, to reduce unemployment now and reduce it even more in 2012.
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| | | 7 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Wed, May 18, 2011, 14:37
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#6: Absolutely. The longer the recovery lasts, the better it will be for Obama. And for the country.
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| | | 8 | Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Wed, May 18, 2011, 17:32
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The hiring for the election and primaries alone will probably drop it 1%. I think Obama still has some stimulus money squirelled away for this very reason.
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| | | 9 | Boldwin
ID: 374391816 Wed, May 18, 2011, 17:40
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The longer the recovery lasts
Just for fun, in your mind, how's the 'recovery' going?
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| | | 10 | Boldwin
ID: 374391816 Wed, May 18, 2011, 17:42
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Source and a favorite of mine.
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| | | 11 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Wed, May 18, 2011, 17:55
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My recovery is going fine. Yours, it seems, will only be spoken about the day after the GOP takes back the WH, despite actual conditions.
Politically inconvenient facts are the black sheep of the GOP. Hidden away and never brought up except to be mocked sometimes--usually only at family gatherings.
I realize you feel all empowered when you get all cynical about American optimism. But many of us (and not just "liberals") are hoping for continued economic recovery despite the fact that it would occur while Obama was in the White House.
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| | | 12 | Razor
ID: 38421817 Wed, May 18, 2011, 18:02
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I was laid off in 2008. 2 and a 1/2 years later, I am in a much, much better job in every respect. I went from renting to being a home owner. I would say the recovery is going glowingly for me.
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| | | 14 | Boldwin
ID: 374391816 Thu, May 19, 2011, 12:46
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I'd believe it if you were talking about Jeb Bush.
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| | | 15 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Thu, May 19, 2011, 19:00
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Well, read the piece and then comment.
Jeb Bush, because of his last name, has no chance to win the nomination. IMO the wrong Bush ran in 2000 and Jeb got screwed, in the end.
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| | | 16 | Boldwin
ID: 64132020 Fri, May 20, 2011, 21:50
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Really don't go betting the house you'll never see Jeb in the WH, PD. I'd place the odds at better than 65% and I would hate the idea.
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| | | 17 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Fri, May 20, 2011, 23:44
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Well, I always liked Jeb more that GWB. Maybe you are right, because I know a lot of people in the middle who feel the same.
In Florida Bush made strong efforts to open doors to those not from his base, and it not only made him a better governor it made him very popular as a result.
Still don't think it'll happen, but I won't be disappointed if he steps into the race, that's for sure.
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| | | 18 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Sun, May 22, 2011, 11:25
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Mitch Daniels: Officially not running.
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| | | 22 | sarge33rd
ID: 372291615 Tue, May 24, 2011, 15:47
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lol love this first cmment under the article PD:
I think we could put the New Jersey 16-year-old up against the entire Repugnican presidential slate and she'd smoke 'em all.
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| | | 23 | Boldwin
ID: 514402413 Tue, May 24, 2011, 15:49
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That from a board full of liberals who spent a month telling me 'born in Hawaii' and 'natural born citizen' were coterminous.
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| | | 25 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Tue, May 24, 2011, 15:59
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This non-liberal, on the other hand, pointed you to an actual federal case which blew away your argument.
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| | | 26 | sarge33rd
ID: 372291615 Tue, May 24, 2011, 16:13
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You have already lost this fight B. You have no leg to stand on. You're reminding me, of that Monty Python Skit:
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| | | 27 | Boldwin
ID: 514402413 Tue, May 24, 2011, 21:41
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If sneering were respectable arguments you'd all be ready for Firing Line.
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| | | 28 | sarge33rd
ID: 372291615 Tue, May 24, 2011, 21:51
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Until you put forth a respectable argument, you'll get continued sneering.
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| | | 29 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Tue, May 24, 2011, 22:58
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Another special election, another Dem victory in a heavy GOP district.
The House GOP gave Dems a gift with that Medicare vote of theirs. Even the Democrats aren't stupid enough to not run with it.
If 2008 was about the Tea Party base, 2012 is turning into a backlash against Tea Party overreach.
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| | | 30 | Tree
ID: 320371412 Wed, May 25, 2011, 03:07
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That from a board full of liberals who spent a month telling me 'born in Hawaii' and 'natural born citizen' were coterminous.
meanwhile, Baldwin takes shot at message board posters, instead of addressing posts 20 and 21, where his candidate du jour is stumbling out of the gate.
Is Herman Cain just Sarah Palin in a suit?
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| | | 31 | Tree
ID: 60121615 Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 14:38
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there is hope for America, and we will find it on our knees" - Texas Governor Rick Perry
oh, not that way. never mind.
"I sincerely hope you'll join me in Houston on August 6th and take your place in Reliant Stadium with praying people asking for God's forgiveness, wisdom and provision," Perry wrote in materials promoting the event, called "The Response, a Call to Prayer for a Nation in Crisis."
A message on the event's website says it is in response to a historic crisis and calls it "a non-denominational, apolitical Christian prayer meeting," with the goal "to rise up and make a sound that will be heard in heaven."
ummm, so, it's non-denominational, and Christian...hmmmm...that's interesting.
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| | | 32 | weykool
ID: 343561414 Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 15:01
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Tree: There are many denominations within Christianity. Lutheran, Baptist, Evangelical.....etc.
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| | | 33 | Boldwin
ID: 50559614 Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 16:00
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Bachman just signed up Ed Rollins.
Unimpeachable Tea Party cred and the best campaign manager of the bunch.
I think she just moved into the presumptive lead.
If she can raise money she can take it all. I can't see Rollins signing on if she can't raise money.
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| | | 34 | boikin
ID: 532592112 Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 16:04
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re 33: well I guess that should save Obama a lot of work on his way to victory.
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| | | 35 | Razor
ID: 172252412 Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 18:32
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Bacchman is a joke. She won't finish in the top 5 through primary season.
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| | | 36 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 18:48
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Agreed Razor.
Ed Rollins--let's see:
1984 Reagan re-election (result: won 49 of 50 states against Mondale)
1988: Jack Kemp (lost in primaries)
1990: Head of National Republican Congressional Committee (-9 seats)
1992: Ross Perot (lost in primary)
1993: Christie Todd Whitman NJ (won in an upset. Later admitted to paying black ministers and campaign workers "walking around money" to suppress the vote)
1994: George Nethercutt (US House--won), Michael Huffington (US Senate, lost), Bruce Benson (CO Gov, lost)
1998: Joe Khoury (US House, lost)
2002: Bill Jones, then Bill Simon (CA Gov., lost and lost)
2004: Not sure--saw him on cable news but don't think he was officially involved in any campaigns.
2008: Mike Huckabee (lost in primary).
How we get from his resume to the best campaign manager of the bunch is a bit of a mystery.
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| | | 37 | Boldwin
ID: 1353071 Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 02:30
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Sneering doesn't win debates or elections.
Useful for keeping the liberals on the e-motion bandwagon I guess.
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| | | 38 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 03:54
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Dodging about why a guy like Rollins is the best campaign manager of the bunch won't win elections either.
Rollins' biggest win was in 1984--27 years ago. But wasn't that really about Reagan, rather than his manager?
He has a knack for getting employed by Republicans over and over again--I suppose that's a bonus. Apparently many of them think he's got some kind of ability to pick "winners."
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| | | 39 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 10:20
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Greg Sargent makes some solid points about Rick Santorum's bizarre candidacy.
Money quote: It’s not that Santorum thinks that Republican primary voters really want to get rid of Social Security; it’s that he believes what they want is a candidate willing to be as radical as they think of themselves as being.
Partly this is the primary season, where candidates run hard to the right (or left, for the Dems) and some candidates go off into the ditch. But one of the reasons why Obama looks like a fairly solid re-election candidate is that none of the Republican candidates seem the least bit interested in staying on the road at all.
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| | | 40 | Tree
ID: 41512710 Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 11:12
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Tree: There are many denominations within Christianity. Lutheran, Baptist, Evangelical.....etc.
non-denominational means not related to any particular religion. a non-denominational Christian service is an oxymoron.
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| | | 41 | Mith
ID: 23217270 Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 12:54
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Tree you should stop commenting on matters regarding Christianity. Your track record is on par with the bumbling Bs in the birther thread.
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| | | 42 | Boldwin
ID: 1353071 Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 13:02
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In Christendom non-denominational means 'we want your money whoever you are and we don't have an obvious positions you won't like'.
Did I mention I am never wrong and liberals are all by default bumbling? Because I said so.
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| | | 43 | Khahan
ID: 373143013 Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 13:03
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non-denominational means not related to any particular religion. a non-denominational Christian service is an oxymoron.
And within a specific religion, it means its not referring to a particular denomination of that religion.
You can say it means something else to you all you want Tree, but there is nothing wrong with what Perry said.
Then there is also the fact that he may be holding a Christian-type prayer meeting but it is open to any/all regardless of religion. Believe it or not, this it far from unheard of. I was raised as a Lutheran but often went to a friends meetings at his local JCC. And was welcomed and accepted and sat in on many Jewish prayers and thought nothing of it. And I wasn't the only non-Jew there. Even attended a few hannukah dinners a Rosh hashanah service.
I think what Perry is promoting is a good thing, even as a current agnostic/borderline aetheist.
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| | | 44 | bibA
ID: 48627713 Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 13:42
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The big thing on Sundays these days seem to be the large buildings that advertise themselves as "non-denominational", but are clearly Christian. Wouldn't really call them churches, as they don't have your traditional ministers who work at it as a full time profession. Very popular in SoCal at least.
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| | | 46 | Tree
ID: 3553714 Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 15:03
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Fair enough. Within that context, i stand corrected.
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| | | 47 | bibA
ID: 48627713 Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 15:47
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It does appear that Ed Rollins is no fan of Sarah Palin, as she is not serious.
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| | | 48 | bibA
ID: 48627713 Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 15:50
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It would seem that Margaret Thatcher thinks even less of her.
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| | | 49 | Boldwin
ID: 1353071 Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 19:08
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Well I'll admit to having second thots.
Rollins is really going after Palin hammer and tong. I don't think Reagan would have approved and I don't think the Tea Party faithful will approve. They think the Tea Party is America's last chance and don't want any genuine fellow travellers savaged as there is a more important enemy to their future.
I still say political experts consider Rollins a heavyweight. If he doesn't get the Tea Party he should sit this one out tho.
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| | | 50 | Khahan
ID: 373143013 Wed, Jun 08, 2011, 10:54
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New candidate emerges as frontrunner for Republicans.
Pretty much sums up the state of the party.
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| | | 52 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Wed, Jun 08, 2011, 15:33
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#45: Or not . Hard to say at this point.
I think Romney is going to get eaten up by the Far Right in the primaries.
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| | | 53 | boikin
ID: 532592112 Wed, Jun 08, 2011, 16:48
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This is probably not the thread for this but how are they even doing polls if they rely on telephone calls, do they have cell phone numbers?
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| | | 54 | Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Wed, Jun 08, 2011, 18:46
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We do all kinds of polls where I work. We're just getting into cell phones It's still mostly landline for us. I can't remember what the problem is. There's no cellphone phonebook. Or there's little data on demographics of cell phone owners. Maybe we're not allowed to call them. I can ask the P.I. Anyways, A landline poll would exclude people who don't own a landline, like mostly young people. Who have a cell phone and not a landline.
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| | | 57 | Frick
ID: 5310541617 Thu, Jun 09, 2011, 08:24
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To be fair, couldn't the same be said for any administration in the last 30+ years?
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| | | 59 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Fri, Jun 10, 2011, 23:06
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There is some rumbling about Rick Perry entering the race, despite his fairly steady denials. Probably a result of the GOP casting about for good candidates--they haven't had a real primary battle since the 1980 election.
But Perry's got plenty of baggage himself-- here are ten things Perry wouldn't want people to know about, should he run.
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| | | 60 | Mith
ID: 5631099 Sat, Jun 11, 2011, 13:50
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Add the 2nd Amendment to the growing list of things Herman Cain doesn't understand:
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| | | 61 | Boldwin
ID: 295311022 Sat, Jun 11, 2011, 16:53
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What's your problem with that, MITH?
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| | | 62 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Sat, Jun 11, 2011, 16:58
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That he believes in the sanctity of the Second Amendment, except that local and state authorities can institute their own restrictions?
Or maybe his belief that the Second Amendment is a states rights issue?
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| | | 63 | Mith
ID: 23217270 Sat, Jun 11, 2011, 17:22
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B Cant say I have a problem with it, it's as I thought the 2nd Amendment should be read until, to my dismay, it was effectively incorporated by DC v Heller.
You can decide for yourself whether he takes a position notably to the left of me, both denying that SCOTUS has incorporated the 2nd Amendment and opposing it's future incorporation, or if he just completely fails to grasp the issue, joining the Afghanistan War and the Israeli/Palestinian conflict on the list of important issues that Herman Cain does not understand.
My vote is the latter and that we'll see him walk it back in the next few days rather than draw the ire of conservative gun rights advocates.
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| | | 64 | Mith
ID: 5631099 Mon, Jun 20, 2011, 00:53
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Amateur hour at the Cain campaign goes for another round.
Some highlights:
On appointing Muslims to his administration:I was asked, Mr. Cain would you be comfortable appointing a Muslim to your administration? And I paused and said, no. And then later I said, but it's not impossible. So I'm not gonna play nicey-nice and say that I'm not gonna take extra precautions in order to be able to make sure that we can [inaudible]. Cain to his aide as they become visibly uncomfortable with his off-message rant:Relax. You're looking at me like, I didn't know he was gonna talk about all that. I wanna clear the air, alright? See, traditional campaigns tell candidates to stay away from sensitive subjects. No. I'm not your typical candidate. [Indeed! -m] I go right into the belly of the beast if somebody has misrepresented something that I have said. Clearing the air on gun rights:I said I support the 2nd Amendment, strongly support the 2nd Amendment, and if any laws need to be passed relative to guns, they should be at the state level. The reaction was, are you saying the states ought to restrict gun ownership? No! I don't believe states should restrict access to guns, but what if a state wants to pass background checks? What if a state wants to pass carry and conceal? That's what I'm talking about. And some states have done that. So, relative to restricting access, no! I don't believe the federal government should restrict access, and I don't believe that states should restrict access because of the 2nd Amendment. Like Sarah Palin on the Paul Revere's midnight ride, it's difficult to tell exactly what Cain means by this, what he's been coached on since the Blitzer interview and exactly what it is he doesn't understand about the issue. Does he know we already have a federal system in place which requires all licensed firearm sellers to conduct a background check? If so, then he's referring to states which seek to close the gun show/private seller loophole, in which "private" dealers can bypass the requirement because they are unlicensed. Anyone think the NRA members and other gun rights activists who got bent over the Blitzer interview will give him a pass for believing that imposing background checks on private dealers does not "restrict access"?
On his limited grasp of foreign policy:There's more about our relationship with every country out there that I don't know, than I know. So my approach is, number one, I gonna depend upon the people who know a hell of a lot more about it than I do. But I will develop a foreign policy strategy with every nation that we have any kind of relationship with at all, good or bad, friend or foe. That's my approach. It's a business approach. You don't... enter enter a new market with a product until you properly assess the market, properly assess [inaudible]. So I've got a lot of work to do in that area. Reporter follows up on Cain's stated precaution for Muslims appointeesReporter: About the Muslim thing which you mentioned before-
Cain: What- where- wait wait wait. Didn't I just answer that?
Reporter: No no. You didn't. What exact special precautions would you use? And how do you know if that precaution would work or not?
Cain: I didn't say- OK. If you're trying to make me lose my cool, you are almost succeeding. [Screaming at the reporter] I never said that I would use any special precautions! [Herman Cain memory span < 13:00:00 -m]
Reporter: OK. So a Muslim applies to the administration, gets in like anybody else?
Cain: [Composure regained now -m] Yes. I never used those words. Those words was used by somebody on the internet. Now, wait a minute, let me say to the gentleman... It probably wasn't politically correct for me to raise my voice. But you know what is resonating with the American people? I'm gonna be myself. I'm not gonna be a punching bag, OK? But you can imagine that I've been asked that same question a thousand times. I never said that. OK? So my apology. I apologize. This issue shouldn't so easily bring out the ugliest in a presidential candidate (assuming a screaming denial of exactly what he just said is his ugliest side). It's not the first time he's denied his own words on the question, in fact it seems that every time he's asked about it he denies ever saying something that is exactly what he'd previously said. That was really bad. The next reporter did him a huge favor by bringing the discussion back to his economic plan, which he is obviously very comfortable talking about.
Unfortunately another reporter asked him to respond to criticism of his refusal to articulate any type of foreign policy direction. He didn't get agitated again, but further exposed his naivete with the belief that briefings he'll receive in the period between an election victory and inauguration will sufficiently prepare him to address foreign affairs and that forming any discernable philosophy on the issue isn't necessary, despite calling foreign policy one of the main focal points of his campaign.
Yes, he's peaked. I will agree agree with Boldwin in that it's foolish to say that he peaked too soon. On the contrary, thank goodness he peaked so early.
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| | | 65 | Razor
ID: 33520166 Mon, Jun 20, 2011, 06:01
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Amateur hour is right. His lack of political experience is obvious. Apparently he thinks that loads of radical, nonspecific, poorly thought out are fine just as long as he finishes each statement with, "I'm a businessman and in business, we did it this way."
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ID: 22532522 Sun, Jun 26, 2011, 16:24
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Zogby poll:A new presidential poll by Zogby International has U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann ranked as the leader of the pack of Republican hopefuls, far ahead of the men seeking to oust Barack Obama from the White House.
The online survey of 998 likely Republican primary voters conducted June 17-21 has the Minnesota congresswoman collecting 24 percent of the vote, with businessman Herman Cain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in a virtual tie for second at 15 percent each.
"On the Republican side, there's got to be concern in Romney's camp," Boston University political historian Thomas Whalen told the Boston Herald.
"If Michele Bachmann wins New Hampshire, it's all over for Romney," said Whalen. "Bachmann showing a surge right now is a major red flag."
He suggested Romney must be praying for former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to jump into the contest.
U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas came in fourth place at 13 percent. Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, who announced his candidacy yesterday near the Statue of Liberty, received just 2 percent. However, just to show how screwed up the GOP is, tho they love her only 7% think she'll get the nomination and 37% think Romney will so obviously a LOT of republicans don't think the GOP is responsive to them.
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| | | 67 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 11:15
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woo hoo!
oh wait--it is WND reporting on a Zogby poll. Isn't that a double negative?
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| | | 68 | Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916 Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 12:58
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just to show how screwed up the GOP is, tho they love her only 7% think she'll get the nomination and 37% think Romney will so obviously a LOT of republicans don't think the GOP is responsive to them.
I don't know if it's screwed up as much as pragmatic. Most Republicans know that in order to win the general election, their nominee will need to carry a good percentage of moderates and independents. Although I consider Bachmann to be a formidable force in the primaries and has a legitimate shot at winning the nomination, I think it's safe to say that she'll have a hard time securing the independent and moderate vote needed to win the big prize. Her main problem is that she boxed herself into a corner early as a tea party candidate, which has limited appeal beyond strict adherents. Although, she is making attempts to soften her image, going from calling Obama anti-American in 2008 to saying she has nothing personal against him yesterday. While that's a long way from Huntsman's "I respect the President of the United States" statement, it was enough for Fox News' Chris Wallace to apologize to her for asking her if she is a flake.
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| | | 69 | Boldwin
ID: 47542289 Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 10:51
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a tea party candidate, which has limited appeal beyond strict adherents.
Explain the 2010 election to me again?
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| | | 70 | Tree
ID: 41512710 Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 11:04
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Explain the 2010 election to me again?
you could ask Sharron Angle or Christine O’Donnell or John Raese or Carl Paladino or Anna Little or Carly Fiorina or Scott Sipprelle or the slew of other Tea Party Candidates that lost.
Yes, tea party candidates won 28 races. but excepting Marco Rubio, Tea Party candidates were drubbed in populous areas. they lost in the populous states, and they were trounced in the most populous metro areas. They were spanked in New England and they were spanked in the Mid-Atlantic states.
hopefully that explained the 2010 election to you. if not, again, you can ask the plethora of tea party candidates who simply didn't stand a chance.
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| | | 71 | Boldwin
ID: 47542289 Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 11:18
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Probably all RINO's that won then, huh?
Yeah right.
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| | | 72 | Tree
ID: 41512710 Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 13:05
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the facts speak for themselves. you choose to shield your eyes and cover your ears, hoping that by yelling louder you can some how change the facts of the matter.
post 70 is on point, and completely factual. feel free to prove it wrong.
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| | | 73 | Seattle Zen
ID: 10732616 Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 13:47
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Explain the 2010 election to me again?
Me: Fifty million people who voted in 2008 choose not to vote in 2010.
Brick: ...
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| | | 74 | Boldwin
ID: 47542289 Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 15:17
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Wow, a RINO landslide of 'go along/get along' Obama votin RINO's even without Obama's extra 50 mil!
Imagine what an Obama affirmation 2012 is gonna be!
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| | | 75 | biliruben
ID: 358252515 Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 16:07
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Don't get cocky kid.
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| | | 76 | Boldwin
ID: 47542289 Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 17:36
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Cocky? I'm throwin in the towel. If 2010 was a Tea Party defeat what hope is there?
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| | | 77 | Boldwin
ID: 47542289 Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 17:54
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No really...heh...after the last debate liberal talking heads were fooled into thinking the candidates were moderating in their conservatism. Wiser liberals know better:left-of-center observers, suggesting the candidates had shown all sorts of surprising maturity and moderation...
When the political center of a party, or a country, is in the process of shifting, there's a lot of noise and conflict. When it settles in its new place, however, it gets very quiet. To a very great extent, that's what has happened in the GOP. It is not a sign of "sanity" or "moderation;" simply one of consensus....
But the bottom line is that the GOP did not suddenly transform itself overnight. The drive to the right in the GOP has been underway for more than four decades. If it seems to have stopped, that's probably becomes it has arrived at its destination. - Ed Kilgore, intelligent uberliberal
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| | | 78 | Boldwin
ID: 47542289 Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 19:01
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And when Orin Hatch is nothing but a memory in the Senate I am sure PV will still be telling me the Tea Party is a spent force relevant only in the republican primary.
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| | | 79 | Boldwin
ID: 25530309 Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 22:04
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Politico detects a tipping point has been reached. Dem Jewish Obama supporters and donors finally have had enuff and no longer trust him to deal with Isreal fairly.David Ainsman really began to get worried about President Barack Obama’s standing with his fellow Jewish Democrats when a recent dinner with his wife and two other couples — all Obama voters in 2008 — nearly turned into a screaming match.
If several dozen interviews with POLITICO are any indication, a similar conversation is taking place in Jewish communities across the country. Obama’s speech last month seems to have crystallized the doubts many pro-Israel Democrats had about Obama in 2008 in a way that could, on the margins, cost the president votes and money in 2012 and will not be easy to repair. I thot they'd never wake up. [Politico is somewhat left leaning btw]
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| | | 80 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 00:17
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Typical Politico article: Horse race analysis filled with weasel words. "Obama may be losing the faith of Jewish Democrats." Indeed.
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| | | 81 | Boldwin
ID: 465448 Mon, Jul 04, 2011, 18:49
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"The new Republican Party has undertaken the most direct assault on labor, not just in my lifetime … but literally since the 1920s," he said in the address at McCormick Place. "This is not your father's Republican Party. This is a different breed of cat." A very expensive speech considering the unions have so screwed up McCormick Place that they required 'American Association of Medical Assistants' union workers pump his lungs in and out for him during the speech.
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ID: 426151116 Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 11:49
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Wow, 43% of LA voted for the Tea Party candidate. I wouldn't have even guessed that there were any Tea Partiers in LA.
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| | | 84 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 12:01
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Actually, he was the GOP candidate with strong Tea Party support (though, as I understand it, the South Bay Tea Party declined to actually endorse anyone, though I don't know why). It should probably be mentioned that the election was to replace a blue dog Democrat, so the district isn't as liberal as you might think going in.
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ID: 1964421 Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 16:46
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One more Rep tries to claim "God told me to run...", and I think I'll puke. Bunch of self-serving hypocrits. God couldnt possibly care less who does/doesnt run.
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| | | 88 | Razor
ID: 31610612 Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 20:57
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Re: 85 - I can't believe this clown is running for President. The fact he hasn't been laughed off the national stage yet is what worries me more than anything. I really thought Bush was the worst the GOP could offer but he is miles ahead of the Cains, Palins, Trumps and Bacchmans of the world. It's appaling to me that a major party candidate is out there advocating and defending un-Constitutional discrimination. How long before one of these fools actually gets elected? The fact that they are able to last more than a short while in the spotlight is troubling.
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| | | 90 | Mith
ID: 5631099 Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 21:34
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It's appaling to me that a major party candidate is out there advocating and defending un-Constitutional discrimination.
Agreed. Making it worse is that he alludes to the very Constitutaional Amendment (if he's aware that Seperation is a reference to and explanation of the religion clause in 1st Amendment) which prohibits such a ban as his justification for it.
So by my count that's now the first two Amendments he has shown himself to thoroughly misunderstand. He also admits to being a total know-nothing regarding foreign policy, notably including total ignorance of the right of return issue, despite claiming Israel policy as his stong suit. On top of that he has an inexcuasble tendency to deny ever saying things he is (often famously) on record for having said, sometimes denying something just minutes after saying it. Last, he appears to lack anything close to the anger management skills necessary to endure long presidential campaign, which, as difficult as it can be, probably dosen't test one's temper nearly as much as the actual job of POTUS.
I believe the problem is that in their desperate search for a reliable figure to rally behind, they're continually suckered by the most disparraging voice in the room tapping into their abject hatred for the left. Look at how quickly they surrender their credibility to support for such laughable yahoos as Palin, Bachmann, Joe the Plumber, etc. In every case their public humiliations are dismissed (even when they screw up conservative pet issues) as long as they display sufficient hatred and disprespect for the political opposition.
The term "rabid right" has never been more apt in my lifetime.
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| | | 91 | Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 22:47
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My God can beat up your God. Both football teams pray to God, too. Only one team can win.
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