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| Posted by: Boldwin
- [3944693] Sat, May 19, 2012, 18:32
Worldwide muslim perpetrated holocaust.
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| | | 2 | DWetzel
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Sat, May 19, 2012, 19:51
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So, just to clear this up up front, are you smearing ALL the Muslims, or just the tiny minority that are actually perpetrating violence?
Because if it's the latter, yes, violence is bad, and I hope that tiny minority of people who perpetrated violence are brought to justice.
If it's the former, let me know now so I can start a bunch of other threads about bad people of other religions doing bad stuff and thereby smearing their entire religion. If it happens to be a particular religion that you like more, too bad -- I'm letting you establish the ground rules here.
Either way is cool with me.
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| | | 3 | Tree
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Sat, May 19, 2012, 21:23
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the minute i saw a thread from Baldwin titled "real intolerance", i knew it would be entertaining.
after all, this is a guy who bashes all muslims because of a few, a guy who doesn't believe in equality for homosexuals, a guy thinks women should be stuck in the 1950s, a guy who made jokes at the expensive of a murdered black teenager..
pick a clip, Baldwin is Archie Bunker, just not as funny. close, but not quite there.
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| | | 4 | Khahan
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Sun, May 20, 2012, 16:02
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You guys are off base attacking boldwin at this point. He gave no opinion. Just a link and a brief description. Reading the atrocities perpetrated all either of you can think to do is attack Boldwin?
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| | | 5 | Mith
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Sun, May 20, 2012, 16:58
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It should also be noted that nothing B wrote here included any personal attacks on anyone in this forum.
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| | | 6 | Tree
ID: 17039238
Sun, May 20, 2012, 23:05
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it doesn't have to be personal, nor does it matter if he actually stated an opinion in this particular case - his opinion has been made more than clear.
if you are attacking a particular ethnic group as a whole, and no one speaks up, it's only a matter of time before people ignore that group, and terrible things happen.
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| | | 7 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Sun, May 20, 2012, 23:50
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Indeed people are doing quite the job of ignoring these victims in a third of the world. And in a world obssessed with victim groups. Very strange.
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| | | 8 | DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, May 20, 2012, 23:58
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"You guys are off base attacking boldwin at this point. He gave no opinion. Just a link and a brief description. Reading the atrocities perpetrated all either of you can think to do is attack Boldwin? "
I'm looking at a very very long track record here.
"It should also be noted that nothing B wrote here included any personal attacks on anyone in this forum."
Nor did I.
I'm really genuinely curious, what's the point of the thread? I could just as easily post a news article about a couple random murders from somewhere. If it's just a link and a brief description, why is it thread-worthy at all?
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| | | 9 | Mith
ID: 23217270
Mon, May 21, 2012, 00:10
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Tree, you fail to understand the difference between standing up for a group of people and personally insulting an individual simply because he's known to spread hateful propaganda about them.
I don't see anyone "speaking up" in defense of people being attacked in this thread. Well, except Boldwin, frankly.
We all know where he'll end up with this if the discussion is pursued. So why not either ignore it or take the time to counter any fallacies you find with reason and facts?
I do not prefer a forum where the discussions just skip right to the insults. And I do not think I'm in the minority on that.
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| | | 10 | Mith
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Mon, May 21, 2012, 00:21
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DW
In fairness, post 2 was not unreasonable. My issue is with the Archie Bunker stuff.
But I think it's a fair topic, for reasons you stated in your first post. There are places where people who B identifies with are oppressed and worse for their religion under Islamist rule or thuggery.
The reason most of us sigh when we see this is that we know what he believes is the source of this violence and where he'll eventually go in the discussion.
But he hasn't crossed that line yet and until he does I don't mind a chance to understand more about parts of the world where people suffer for what they say and think.
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| | | 11 | DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Mon, May 21, 2012, 01:36
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Fair enough.
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| | | 12 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Mon, May 21, 2012, 06:15
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1) This is anything but random violence. This the systematic elimination of all non-compliant muslim existence in a third of the world. In an era where many hold the presumption that the world is inevitably moving in the direction of multi-cultural tolerance. That view has a demonstrably large flaw in it.
2) Instead of being manipulated into a focus on the local media cause celebre, when are we ever going to take/get a balanced international overview or census of the genuinely intolerable situations existent in the world? If the traditional media won't deliver it who will? How can we get that overview? When we find the sufficient overview can we get it disseminated?
3) Why are the power elite leading the world to this place?
4) Why is the media focusing on X and Y and obfuscating over there? What purpose does it serve?
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| | | 13 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Mon, May 21, 2012, 09:21
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Baldwin
Point 1 I agree with. Whatever sects of Islam are doing this, your point 1 seems to be their goal.
Point 2 I'm curious of the same thing. In America the biggest campaigns concerning Muslims seems to be 'poor misunderstood muslims,' and anything even the slightest bit untoward about Muslims is shouted down as bigotted intolerance. Yet we do not hear about these atrocities from the same media.
At the same time if say, southern baptists started torching mosques and killing people they disagreed with wouldn't you take offense to anybody saying, "Christians are doing this." Wouldn't you want that separation from a specific arm of Christianity? Personally I'd like to know exactly which sects of Islam are doing this. That's something the article does not go over. Not even once. The religion of Islam as a whole are not perpetrating these atrocities. An extremist sect within Islam is doing this and that sect needs to be identified.
Point 3 - You don't have many other people on these forums onboard with the 'power elite' conspiracy stuff.
Point 4 - Just a guess, but I can't imagine western media are exactly welcome over in the areas this is happening. I seriously doubt the perpetrators would give a rat's behind about media and I think journalists know this. They are likely to end up on top of the pile of corpses. Its one thing for the war journalists to go into warzones. Thats insane as it is, but there is some degree of protocol. These attacks though....there is no protocol the other side will follow. I'm sure that contributes to the lack of coverage.
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| | | 14 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Mon, May 21, 2012, 10:43
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This isn't just terrorism directed at non-muslims. This is also meant to have the effect of terrorizing nominal muslims into falling in line with radical/jihadi/salafist islam. The most interesting case is Pakistan where you actually do see occasionally a 'million man march' sort of organized opposition by the very fightened nominal modern world Pakistani's against some of the world's most detirmined and radical salafists. But in general they are stymied and Pakistan is often in the lead in supplying horror stores for the month.
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| | | 15 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Mon, May 21, 2012, 10:49
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More to your point of identity, it is not one sect. It is every muslim of both main branches who accepts the Koran's incitations to violence against the unbeliever.
The false equivalency that is automatically jumped to, fails to take into account that there is no equivalent incitation to violence in the Bible.
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| | | 16 | sarge33rd
ID: 353491011
Mon, May 21, 2012, 11:11
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Of course there is B. You just to ignore them. Further, the Koran, like the bible, contains many passages seemingly condoning violence, and many others seemingly contradicting those other passages.
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| | | 17 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Mon, May 21, 2012, 11:30
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It is every muslim of both main branches who accepts the Koran's incitations to violence against the unbeliever.
Exactly--all the radicals.
But they are all radicals.
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| | | 18 | DWetzel
ID: 49962710
Mon, May 21, 2012, 11:37
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"It is every muslim of both main branches who accepts the Koran's incitations to violence against the unbeliever."
Well, I guess that answers the question I posed in post #2.
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| | | 19 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Mon, May 21, 2012, 12:03
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PD
The test is whether you find an incitation to violence combined with a follower willing to carry that instruction out.
But we are missing the point. The question is "where are the worst instances of human rights abuses in the world and are they getting proportional media coverage and public opprobrium?".
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| | | 20 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Mon, May 21, 2012, 12:15
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The question is "where are the worst instances of human rights abuses in the world and are they getting proportional media coverage and public opprobrium?"
Those are very good questions. But that discussion is going to lead back to some of the questions already asked, like "who exactly is responsible."
Sorry Boldwin, but not all Muslims are responsible and not all condone this kind of behavior. And trying to group all muslims into this extremist sect does more harm than good. It muddies the waters and diverts the attention to a different argument.
You, yourself have acknoweldged there are different thoughts within Islam. And you yourself have acknowledged that nominal Muslims are just as much victims, having these outrages performed as much to stymie them and bring them into line as they are to eliminate the opposition.
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| | | 21 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Mon, May 21, 2012, 12:15
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That's a governance issue, not a religious one.
Any time we are lead to believe we can follow the dictates of an ancient interpreted text, rather than our own internal moral compass, we are doomed to extremist atrocities.
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| | | 22 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Mon, May 21, 2012, 12:18
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I would throw in tragic situations such as Hmong refugees which are receiving tragic mishandling by host governments. Similar situations routinely crop up in Africa to little or no international public recognition. I can recall genocides in the 100,000 range that got no coverage. Mexico's narco-war is undercovered but better covered than many other situations.
Let's see if we can't find a better balanced viewport. The first world media filter right now is terrible. Criminally so.
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| | | 23 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Mon, May 21, 2012, 12:20
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trying to group all muslims into this extremist sect does more harm than good.
Spend a bit less time anticipating arguments which no one is making.
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| | | 24 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Mon, May 21, 2012, 12:36
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Any time we are lead to believe we can follow the dictates of an ancient interpreted text, rather than our own internal moral compass, we are doomed to extremist atrocities. - bili
Anytime we closely follow someone who said... “My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source.” ...we are not going to commit violence, let alone an atrocity.
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| | | 25 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Mon, May 21, 2012, 13:17
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The test is whether you find an incitation to violence combined with a follower willing to carry that instruction out.
That is merely the test that some might, not a blanket condemnation of the religion. We've seen in just the last few years Christian on non-Christian violence. This doesn't mean much compared to the vast majority of Christians (or religious, for that matter).
Muslim on Christian violence is real, and is horrifying. But maybe the reason it doesn't have the legs in the media it should is because many of those advocating for its broadcast can't help but insert their own condemnations of Islam as a whole. They just can't help spinning.
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| | | 26 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Mon, May 21, 2012, 13:36
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Spend a bit less time anticipating arguments which no one is making.
Was in reference to my comment about lumping all Muslims into 1 group. That was in response to:
More to your point of identity, it is not one sect. It is every muslim of both main branches who accepts the Koran's incitations to violence against the unbeliever.
I know it won't but I keep hoping this sinks in for you Baldwin. Believe it or not I think you are doing a good thing with this post and raising awareness of just how atrocious some of these groups can be. But at the same time you are contradicting yourself trying to defend a different extremist position. Life is not 'all or nothing.'
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| | | 27 | Tree
ID: 554562117
Mon, May 21, 2012, 19:08
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Anytime we closely follow someone who said...
“My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source.”
...we are not going to commit violence, let alone an atrocity.
that same person said...
...“Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
so yea, i think whomever the collective "we" you mention might be, is completely capable of violence in the name of "their" lord.
in fact, the list of people who have committed violence in the name of Jesus Christ is a long one.
i'm pleased with myself to be discernable enough to understand that the vast majority of Christians do not kill in the name of their lord; rather, those that do, are a sick minority that are choosing to misinterpret.
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| | | 28 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Mon, May 21, 2012, 19:19
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But at the same time you are contradicting yourself trying to defend a different extremist position. Life is not 'all or nothing.'
A contradiction would be to defend another group converting people by the sword. Since I am not doing that please explain what mischief you are up to.
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| | | 29 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Mon, May 21, 2012, 19:54
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Who, exactly, is defending a "group converting people by the sword?"
By that measure, you defend bigots every time you say you are a Christian (you really don't want me to post examples of so-called Christian bigots).
In fact, what is going on is that many are defending the people who are not converting by the sword from your attempts to lump them all together. They are doing exactly as you would do, when faced with so-called "Christians" who murder and commit horrible acts because of their beliefs.
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| | | 30 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Mon, May 21, 2012, 21:19
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Who, exactly, is defending a "group converting people by the sword?"
The people who can look at the list of a dozen or two murdered or imprisoned for not converting to Islam ever month...
...or the thousand put in a death camp every month for failing to worship the latest N. Korean leader...
...or the countless people currently starving in Mugabe's national death camp...
...or Darfur's tens of thousands...
...and whose only response is, "How dare bad old bigoted you point that out. What about that one time at the abortion clinic in 1999?"
Quit using your favorite [and highly atypical] bogeyman as cover for current [and highly typical] atrocities.
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| | | 31 | sarge33rd
ID: 353491011
Mon, May 21, 2012, 21:25
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and who exactly B, is supposed to stop the imprisonment of people in NK for ex? Who pays for that? Same question re Darfur or Mugabe or ...
I;m not asking to step away from the problem. I;m asking, because as a rightwinger, you disclaim American responsibility for all of this, as in "we arent the worlds policemen". So if not the US, then who? And if the US, who pays for it and how do you reconcile that with your rightwing position?
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| | | 32 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Mon, May 21, 2012, 21:33
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and who exactly B, is supposed to stop...
World opinion, if anyone was actually looking.
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| | | 33 | Tree
ID: 17039238
Mon, May 21, 2012, 23:33
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World opinion, if anyone was actually looking.
baffling statement.
you're the only person who is aware of:
...the thousand put in a death camp every month for failing to worship the latest N. Korean leader...
...or the countless people currently starving in Mugabe's national death camp...
...or Darfur's tens of thousands...
these things are fairly common knowledge.
...and whose only response is, "How dare bad old bigoted you point that out. What about that one time at the abortion clinic in 1999?"
one time? one time???
here's a list of that one time at the abortion clinic in 1999 in the US and Canada.
to sum up that list - since 1977:
at least 8 murders
at least 17 attempted murders
at least 383 death threats
at least 153 incidents of battery
at least 3 kidnappings
at least 41 bombings
at least 173 arsons
at least 91 attempted bombings or arsons
at least 619 bomb threats
at least 1630 incidents of trespassing
at least 1264 incidents of vandalism
at least 100 attacks with butyric acid
at least 655 bioterror threats
yep. just that one time. Welcome to the Christianity you embrace.
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| | | 34 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Mon, May 21, 2012, 23:41
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Let's add the millions and millions and millions of slaughtered babies to the list.
Some proportionality please.
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| | | 35 | Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Mon, May 21, 2012, 23:52
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the millions and millions and millions of slaughtered babies
You mean the millions you would deprive of food, shelter and medical care because it involves other people's money?
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| | | 36 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Tue, May 22, 2012, 00:28
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You are equating a land where the poor already have public housing, cable, a vehicle, fat bellies and junk food...
...with lands where people are so hungry they have resorted to cannibalism [N.Korea].
A perfect example of the lack of perspective that leaves atrocities unnoticed and unmentioned while attention is diverted to almost infinitely less pressing situations.
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| | | 37 | sarge33rd
ID: 353491011
Tue, May 22, 2012, 00:33
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No B. In the midwest, the avg person has almost no concept of what the truly poor are enduring. Go to the SE or the SW. Where people will share a blanket at night, because its cold and they have no home. Where the photos of a mansion on the E side of the road and a ram shackle shanty with the door hanging by 1 hinge on the W side of the road, are the day to day reality.
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| | | 38 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Tue, May 22, 2012, 01:09
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Yeah, go talk to any grocery checkout and ask about their wildest "Electronic Benefit Transfer" stories.
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| | | 39 | Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Tue, May 22, 2012, 01:19
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Just imagine how many more stories of "Electronic
Benefit Transfer" we'd be hearing if there were millions and millions and millions more people in the ghettos and barrios.
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| | | 40 | Tree
ID: 17039238
Tue, May 22, 2012, 01:25
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Let's add the millions and millions and millions of slaughtered babies to the list.
*YOU* are the one who brought up crimes committed by Christians. when pointed with the fact that there are a WHOLE LOT MORE crimes than that one time at the abortion clinic in 1999, you changed course.
Christians have committed a ton of crimes. if you feel like murder, kidnapping, bio-terrorism, arson, and the like are excusable for any reason whatsoever, then this entire thread you started is a farce.
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| | | 41 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Tue, May 22, 2012, 01:29
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The difference is that one holy book condemns those things and one encourages them.
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| | | 42 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Tue, May 22, 2012, 08:28
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Well it didn't take long for this thread to go completely off track.
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| | | 43 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Tue, May 22, 2012, 10:09
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That's because the radical left insists that western culture is the real problem in the world and there will be no fingers pointed in any other direction. No matter how bad it gets anywhere else, no matter how much that flies in the face of common sense and our own experience.
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| | | 44 | DWetzel
ID: 49962710
Tue, May 22, 2012, 10:23
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"Well it didn't take long for this thread to go completely off track. "
I hate to say I told you so.
No, I lied. I don't hate to say that.
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| | | 45 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Tue, May 22, 2012, 10:46
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#42: Yup. But we do see that the longer this goes on, the more this is about the Bad Left of the United States rather than the horrors visited upon Christians in some parts of the world.
As I stated above, these stories would get more legs if they weren't being promoted by people with obvious domestic agendas, using the stories to promote them.
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| | | 46 | Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Tue, May 22, 2012, 10:50
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the radical left insists that western culture is the real problem in the world
It's hard to know who you mean by the radical left, but you probably wouldn't include Ron Paul, who insists that it's western military aggression, many times in support of western corporate interests, that is the real problem in much of the Muslim world.
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| | | 47 | Tree
ID: 17039238
Tue, May 22, 2012, 11:16
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The difference is that one holy book condemns those things and one encourages them.
i provided you with a quote from Jesus Christ advocating violence. so i guess we know which bible you're talking about.
Well it didn't take long for this thread to go completely off track.
why did this go off track? the name of the thread is "real intolerance". is it off track because it's only about Muslim on Christian violence?
even if it were called "Muslim on Christian Violence", you couldn't have the discussion without discussing violence perpetuating by Christians, or really, any religion.
violence in this world. happens. sadly, a great deal of it is in the name of some god, and to isolate one religion as the cause of it all would be wrong.
this isn't a left vs. right issue. this is a world issue, this is a religious issue, this is secular issue.
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| | | 48 | sarge33rd
ID: 353491011
Tue, May 22, 2012, 12:08
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This, is a human nature issue.
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| | | 49 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Tue, May 22, 2012, 12:49
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This is a matter of proportionality. This is a matter of perception and blinders. This is about a balanced view. A rational view. This is about an accurate census of reality.
I knew when I started this that there would be those who would make it their living to prevent accurate perception.
They are working for the father of the lie and before it is over they will openly present the source of all human misery as the solution to all human misery.
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| | | 50 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Tue, May 22, 2012, 13:19
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Overstate your case much?
I realize that you believe your God is a god of retribution--he'll come with a sword and kick ass and back up every one of your political positions.
Just stop thinking that spreading hate in any way spreads Jesus.
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| | | 51 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Tue, May 22, 2012, 13:28
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You'll be one of the first on the devil's bandwagon.
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| | | 52 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Tue, May 22, 2012, 13:38
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I know that makes you feel good. You just have to question why it does.
It isn't Christ-centered. And if it isn't Christ-centered, you are fooling yourself.
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| | | 53 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Tue, May 22, 2012, 13:49
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I wish I could give you the benefit of the doubt, but you are just too eager to join with the spirit of the air, the broad and spacious path and not at all inclined to take the narrow and cramped path.
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| | | 54 | Boldwin
ID: 3944693
Sat, May 26, 2012, 15:44
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Burma
America amazingly just dropped...no longer sanctions Burma. You wonder how much of this sort of thing has contributed to America's wealth over it's lifetime. A good counter to those who believe America is God's favored nation.
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| | | 55 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Sat, May 26, 2012, 20:17
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Link doesn't work. Here's another, from VOA.
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| | | 58 | Boldwin
ID: 141135191
Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 13:30
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Calling Westboros christian is indeed a stretch too far.
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| | | 59 | Tree
ID: 531119199
Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 14:03
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Calling Westboros christian is indeed a stretch too far.
and there are folks who think you calling yourself a Christian a stretch.
who decides these things on this plane?
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| | | 60 | Boldwin
ID: 141135191
Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 14:46
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Even if every last thing they said was correct, they wouldn't have to go out of their way to cause intentional and avoidable grief at a funeral. That doesn't further their putative cause nor does it enhance God's reputation, the primary thing, 'thy name be sanctified', first thing.
My personal theory is that their leader is consciously working against Christ and christianity.
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| | | 61 | Boldwin
ID: 5311401914
Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 15:41
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Tragically America will never have Robert Bork on the SCOTUS as he died today.
We lost both the most important mind ever to have been denied the position and the most influential jurist who ever didn't get the seat.
The confirmation process has been broken permanently ever after.
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| | | 62 | Tree
ID: 531119199
Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 15:42
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Even if every last thing they said was correct, they wouldn't have to go out of their way to cause intentional and avoidable grief at a funeral.
says the guy who cheers someone's death.
how is that any different?
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| | | 63 | Boldwin
ID: 5311401914
Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 16:16
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There is a difference between being glad Saddam Husein is gone, and knocking on his mother's door and slapping her in the face the day he hangs.
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| | | 64 | bibA
ID: 54522612
Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 16:18
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Of course calling Westboro Baptist representational of all Christians is also a stretch. That was just my point, because the guy you alluded to in 56 , a "Grand Ayatollah", is inferred to represent Muslims. You didn't add that the guy appears to be affiliated with some Syrian faction, but it’s unclear exactly which one, and has had his clashes with other Grand Ayatollahs.
Can you point out anywhere at all, your link or otherwise, where he actually declared that all Christian women may be raped? Or were you possibly doing a bit of stretching yourself?
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| | | 65 | Boldwin
ID: 5311401914
Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 16:22
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As I read it, that us his exact stated position.
I did not state that every Islamic expert agrees in every situation all christian women are fair game, however in reality their only objection is usually as to what stage of islamic takeover the area happens to be. None of them can truthfully deny that the koran encourages rape as a tool of subjugation and conversion.
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| | | 66 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318
Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 16:31
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in reality their only objection is usually as to what stage of islamic takeover the area happens to be. None of them can truthfully deny that the koran encourages rape as a tool of subjugation and conversion.
In reality? You mean current reality as in 2012? That's what using the present tense verb "is"
implies. How low do you plan to go in making Muslims appear sub-human? Not that you've left much room.
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| | | 67 | Tree
ID: 3711491916
Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 17:56
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There is a difference between being glad Saddam Husein is gone, and knocking on his mother's door and slapping her in the face the day he hangs.
yea, we're not talking about Saddam.
i believe it was Arlen Specter who's death you celebrated.
that is a pretty scumbaggy thing to do.
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| | | 68 | Boldwin
ID: 5311401914
Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 22:15
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PV
If you followed the atrocities being perpetrated on christians in muslim lands daily, as I do, you'd understand.
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| | | 69 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318
Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 22:33
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Like this?
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| | | 70 | Boldwin
ID: 5311401914
Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 03:30
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Notice that you had to reach for one of the most atypical regions in all of islam to find that.
Overall, also from the north of Iraq...
Christian in Iraq face liquidation, * This webpage is dedicated to the slaughter of Iraqi Christians in the North of Iraq.
A new wave of Iraqi Christians has fled to northern Iraq or abroad amid a campaign of violence against them and growing fear that the country’s security forces are unable or, more ominously, unwilling to protect them.
Those who fled the latest violence — many of them in a panicked rush, with only the possessions they could pack in cars — warned that the new violence presages the demise of the faith in Iraq. Several evoked the mass departure of Iraq’s Jews after the founding of the state of Israel in 1948.
“It’s exactly what happened to the Jews,” said Nassir Sharhoom, 47, who fled last month to the Kurdish capital, Erbil, with his family from Dora, a once mixed neighborhood in Baghdad. “They want us all to go.”
This is your proof muslims are moderate now days and christians are safe around them...Iraq, and the tiny little enclave in that country they don't feel like they will wake up dead every morning?
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| | | 71 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318
Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 09:32
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This is your proof muslims are moderate now days and christians are safe around them
As a radical Christian, I realize you feel it's your duty to expose radical Muslims and provide blanket condemnations that fan the flames of hatred and mistrust. I'll be the first to admit that the radical elements of Islam are making your job pretty easy these days.
As someone who has a hope for a more peaceful world for my children, I'm compelled to point out the few areas where Muslims and Christians coincide in relative peace; where tolerance is considered honorable instead of blasphemous. Our friend Nerveclinic would be a better candidate for this role than me, as he has displayed over the past 5 or so years he's lived in the Muslim world.
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| | | 72 | Boldwin
ID: 41148209
Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 10:49
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There is no such thing as a radical christian. Once you get to genuine the needle stops moving. You have no more to fear from me than the Romans did from Jesus in the garden of Gethsemenane. The attempts to conflate christians with muslims is unfair an accusation as anything the devil has ever done.
What you won't admit to is that really scary and violent muslims are doing exactly what the koran tells them to do. There is no 'live by the sword, die by the sword, be peaceable with all men, let your reasonableness be known to all men, here, let me put your ear back on' moment in the koran. There are only 'slay the unbelievers in the name of allah the merciful' moments in the koran.
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| | | 73 | Boldwin
ID: 41148209
Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 10:56
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And frankly the really scary part is as soon as the MB have consolidated the power and opportunity you've given them, they are going to go to all those moderate muslims you are counting on, and give them a choice, 'join us in jihad or die'. At that point they will be as moderate and safe as a stoner in Viet Nam with a peace sign on his helmet and a machinegun pointed at the other side.
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| | | 74 | bibA
ID: 54522612
Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 11:02
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No such thing as a radical Christian? What you will never understand is that based on your posts in thread after thread, you are what 99.9% of society would actually define as radical. Just as the people in Westboro Baptist feel THEY are all knowing of the truth, you feel that you and the very few like you are the only ones.
I'd bet that everyone who reads this site know many who are not only conservative, but very conservative - and none of them are as far out there as you are.
You come across as not only radical, but intolerant and hateful. Do you not realize this?
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| | | 75 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 11:19
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True dat.
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| | | 76 | Boldwin
ID: 41148209
Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 11:34
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gethsemane
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| | | 77 | Boldwin
ID: 41148209
Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 11:40
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bibA
Two reasons.
Satan has turned the world's moral view upside down. Anyone recognising and pointing out evil is labeled judgemental and a hater. Sorry, it is necessary to hate evil to avoid it's temptation.
The Sandy Hook shooter did not hate the evil he was tempted to do enuff.
Reason 2. People who intend to turn the world against christianity conflate us with muslims.
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| | | 78 | Boldwin
ID: 41148209
Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 11:42
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Conversely those for whom nothing is forbidden can look very non-judgemental and mellow until they are doing you.
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| | | 79 | Boldwin
ID: 41148209
Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 11:52
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And frankly all you guys seething at me and calling me a racist every other moment, [me in my perfectly racially integrated life], don't look quite like the peace and love crowd from where I sit.
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| | | 80 | Mith
ID: 4310402110
Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 11:53
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#74: +1
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| | | 82 | PV in GJ
ID: 1010151016
Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 15:56
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There. are no "you guys" on this forum.
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| | | 92 | Boldwin
ID: 5111492117
Fri, Dec 21, 2012, 21:15
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| | | 93 | sarge33rd
ID: 12554167
Fri, Dec 21, 2012, 22:23
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Precisely why, I did not vote for his re-election.
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ID: 1054104
Thu, Jan 10, 2013, 17:01
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Honest imam without the mask:Hisham el-Ashry is one of those rare creatures. An honest Muslim religious leader. There’s many things that you can say about him, but like most Salafis, he is one of the few who will actually tell you exactly what he believes. And in a genuinely horrifying way, that’s refreshing because with El-Ashry you’re getting a look down the throat of the beast with none of the sugarcoating.He always greeted me cheerily, with a “Salaam” and a handshake. Eventually, we achieved a sort of unconventional friendship. “I hate you,” he told me in August, with a smile. “I hate all Jews and Christians, anyone who is not a Muslim.” Hisham el-Ashry is quite honest about what the Islamic takeover of Egypt means for Christian women (not to mention liberal Muslim women) “I was once asked: If I came to power, would I let Christian women remain unveiled? And I said: If they want to get raped on the streets, then they can,” Ashry told Nahar TV last week.
Introducing a Saudi-style anti-vice police force to enforce Islamic law was “not a bad thing”, he said, and added: “In order for Egypt to become fully Islamic, alcohol must be banned and all women must be covered.” And even when they’re covered, they don’t stop being afraid of the charming fellow.
Hesham eventually excused himself to make us tea. As soon as he disappeared into the kitchen, the woman signaled me discreetly. “Do you have a phone number?” she whispered to me in English. “For emergency.” I could now see that her veil clung to her head a little lopsidedly, as if she had just started wearing it. I deduced two things: that she was Japanese, and that she was absolutely terrified of the man pouring us tea in the next room.
Don’t get the idea that Hisham el-Ashry is some backward nut with no exposure to the modern world. He immigrated to the United States in the 80s and lived in New York City for 25 years. And was only kicked out in 2009 for immigration violations.
In the United States, Hisham El-Ashry had the freedom to do what he couldn’t in Egypt. “He chose Brooklyn. And he liked it: No one minded when he casted aggressively for converts, and he could pray when and how he wished.” And Hisham El-Ashry, like all Islamists, uses whatever freedom he gains to deny it to others. Hesham was a connoisseur of divine sadism and frightened me often with previews of hellfire. But he also cajoled me sweetly now and then, prodding me to say the shahada—“There is no god but God, and Muhammad is God’s messenger”—as soon as possible or, at the very latest, when I met the Blind Sheikh. (Prison authorities have denied my interview requests.)
“Just say it,” he said. “Repeat after me.”
“I can’t,” I said.
“Why not?”
“Because I don’t believe it’s true.”
“Doesn’t matter,” he replied. “Allah likes it when his slaves say this.” ---
...only sees two scenarios in which Abdel Rahman is released. The first is that the US decides to admit its mistake in imprisoning the sheikh and finds a “nice-looking way” to let him out.
“The other way is, kidnap some Americans, slaughter some of them, if it’s important, and have American people in danger. Then America will say, ‘Sorry, here is the imam.’ Unfortunately, this is the way America listens.”
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| | | 96 | DWetzel
ID: 5411161018
Thu, Jan 10, 2013, 17:53
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"Hisham el-Ashry is one of those rare creatures. An honest Muslim religious leader."
Horrible racist bigoted drivel. Should be banned. Seriously.
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| | | 97 | DWetzel
ID: 5411161018
Thu, Jan 10, 2013, 17:54
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Seriously, and we've had this discussion before, the only difference between this and "sure, not ALL Jehovah's Witnesses support pedophile rapists" is that there aren't any Muslims on this board.
And, well, if the attitude continues, there never will be.
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| | | 98 | Boldwin
ID: 1054104
Thu, Jan 10, 2013, 17:59
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Not everyone carefully follows Taqiyya protocols. This imam is horrifying breath of fresh air.
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| | | 100 | Boldwin
ID: 261462818
Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 20:25
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No one gets the unfair media bias up and running thicker than an electrifying black republican candidate.
Funny how they never recognize real racism and real elitism and real exclusion of minorities.
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| | | 102 | sarge33rd
ID: 593111219
Tue, Apr 15, 2014, 20:56
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and how do YOU rationalize YOUR lies B?
DW above, is correct.
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| | | 103 | Boldwin
ID: 83421518
Tue, Apr 15, 2014, 21:30
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The Greek word for “slanderer” or “accuser” is di·a′bo·los. The word is also used in the Bible as a title of Satan “the Devil,” the great slanderer of God. This indicates the source of such defamatory accusation.
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| | | 104 | sarge33rd
ID: 390471112
Tue, Apr 15, 2014, 23:05
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psssst, whats good for the goose? Is good for the gander.
Yu post rhetoric, half-truths, and libelous attacks upon others all the time B. Then you get all puffy chested high and mighty, when you get called on it. Just precisely when, and by what authority, were you named heed judge of all mankind? Strikes me, that isnt what you profess to believe, just what you do.
You want to see intolerance? Look back at your pposts over the last 1/2 dz years, and see how you have spoken of the President, Islam and any whose flavor of Christianity, doesnt agree with yurs.
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| | | 105 | Boldwin
ID: 83421518
Tue, Apr 15, 2014, 23:18
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The difference, Sarge, is that:
Islam claims the right to behead me if I don't convert.
You claim the right to convert me to political correctness under threat of unemployment and starvation.
I don't personally claim the right to interfere with your life whatsoever.
And somehow in your mind, I'm the intolerant one just because I believe there is one objective reality, God has revealed it and every contrary description of reality is a lie.
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| | | 106 | sarge33rd
ID: 390471112
Wed, Apr 16, 2014, 02:51
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B? You claim, no...you DEMAND the right to interfere in others lives. You bemoan the building of a Mosque in NYC. You whine about any political action with which yuou disagree. You slander and liable those persons with whom you disagree.
The Koran FTR, dictates tolerance for those of a different theologic bent. Like the Bible, there are multiple apparent conflicts within it. It requires much care, to read and discern its intended message, not at all unlike the Bible.
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| | | 107 | Boldwin
ID: 9315169
Wed, Apr 16, 2014, 10:23
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1) I don't even vote to interfere in your life, let alone demand to interfere in your life.
2) I do point out stupidity. Deal with it if the shoe fits. You can tell whose nerve has been exposed by the truth around here. They can't even bear to hear me talk. 'Shut up', they explain.
3) You know perfectly well the terrible life of the dhimmi. Explain how that is tolerance to put someone thru that and when you get done doing that I'll point out the innumerable places where Islam isn't even affording them that 'tolerance' no matter what their book claims.
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| | | 108 | Boldwin
ID: 9315169
Wed, Apr 16, 2014, 11:54
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Jihad Watch is under continual attack of this kind, but this most recent instance was significant for its size: these friends and supporters of jihad terrorists threw immense amounts of money and resources into taking [down] Jihad Watch.
In previous attacks over the last couple of years, the cyber terrorists were satisfied with taking the site down for a brief period and claiming victory, but now the attacks have escalated. Since we have started blocking their attacks, they have increased in ferocity, bombarding Jihad Watch's server with so many requests for connections that the server goes down. At times there have been as many as 1,000,000 requests an hour!
A representative of the company that built a firewall around Jihad Watch said that this ongoing attack was one of the five most virulent cyber attacks they're currently fighting anywhere on the web.
Another seasoned cyber security expert told us that he had never seen such a virulent and persistent attack in all of years of working on protecting websites from just such attacks.
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You see, the cyber terrorists know that Robert Spencer tells the truth and that they can't refute him on rational grounds - so they resort to the forcible suppression of free speech that is a hallmark of the increasingly authoritarian and thuggish Left.
Jihad Watch is one of the very few places online or off where you can find the whole truth about the Islamic jihad against the free world. That's why Leftist and Islamic supremacists hate Robert Spencer so much.
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| | | 109 | sarge33rd
ID: 390471112
Wed, Apr 16, 2014, 12:09
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yeah, and then you rationalize, your attacks. *smdh* Really B, thats more like a 10 yr olds conduct, than an adults.
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| | | 110 | Boldwin
ID: 9315169
Wed, Apr 16, 2014, 17:59
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Conflating muslims beheading me, and you starving me to death...
...with me attacking the basis of your arguments...
...is the conduct of a tyrant rationalizing his inhumanity.
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| | | 111 | Boldwin
ID: 9315169
Wed, Apr 16, 2014, 18:19
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Just add the word muslim and see what you get...
To which I will add that western nihilism has had a similar effect on them.
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