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| Posted by: Boldwin
- [2664163] Sun, Jul 15, 2012, 08:04
Robert Costa on Twitter: Top Romney source tells me “no Condi.” More: Romney wants someone more comfortable in ‘attack dog’ mode. So it seems Romney wants to occupy the statesman role and have his VEEP play the attack dog. As opposed to McCain who wanted to make sure no one attacked Obama.
Maybe Romney didn't want someone who seems even more competent than himself in the international arena, aka Condi.
Let's see, who makes the most effective attack dog? Jindal prolly, but I don't see him being tagged. What's his eligibility status, for anyone who cares about constitutional issues?
In other news Obama camp sets up VeepMistakes.com with 1,300 pages of opposition research on the top three likely candidates. |
| | | 1 | Mith
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Sun, Jul 15, 2012, 14:31
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Wiki says Jindal was born in Baton Rouge six months after his parents arrived. But I don't know that the "natural born" requirement applies to the VP anyway.
I also don't think he makes a very effective attack dog. With Christie's repeated insistence that he isn't interested, the pols who bring the best Obama hate are probably all former nominee opponents of Romney from the past year. And maybe Palin, if anyone still seriously regards her as a politician.
If that's the plan I'm not sure where else he'd look unless he isn't concerned with name recognition. What's Zell Miller up to these days?
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| | | 2 | Razor
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Sun, Jul 15, 2012, 15:00
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A VP is only important insofar as it reveals the Presidential candiadtes's decision making ability. Obama choosing Biden showed he was interested in bringing in someone that offsets his foreign policy inexperience. McCain bringing in Palin showed he was interested in trying to capture the female vote at the expense of having a competent successor to the Presidency. I don't think Romney will choose someone that will help or hurt him too much. I don't think he can choose someone that will help him (save a grand slam like Colin Powell) but he could choose someone that hurts him. Doubt he will though.
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| | | 3 | sarge33rd
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Sun, Jul 15, 2012, 15:26
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Palin would do to Romeny, precisely what she did to McCain...kill his candidacy.
Powell, would be an extremely wise choice, except that would alienate the base. Powell id FAR too centrist for todays GOP.
Rice would have been an exceptional choice. But the rabid right is not interested in a "small govt" proponent who says the govt doesnt belopng in the medical decision making process between a woman and her doctor.
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| | | 4 | Great One
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Sun, Jul 15, 2012, 21:09
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Is it pretty much guaranteed Romney will pick a black or hispanic person and/or woman?
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| | | 5 | Mith
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Sun, Jul 15, 2012, 21:20
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No, I don't believe so.
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| | | 6 | Mith
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 00:11
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How could I forget about that crazy MFer in FL, Alan West?
Now there's an attack dog for you.
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| | | 7 | sarge33rd
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 00:16
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fire up the GOP base for damn sure, and alienate everyone in the country with more than 2 digits in their IQs.
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| | | 9 | Boldwin
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 10:53
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Orrin Hatch. J/K but interesting.
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| | | 10 | Perm Dude
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 11:56
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I don't think there is much of a question that Romney will be looking at blacks, hispanics, and/or women first. The GOP is desperate to rid themselves of the tag that they are antagonistic toward those groups.
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| | | 11 | Perm Dude
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 11:57
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That said, I think Mitt will settle on a white man, and I think Gary Johnson will be in the mix. While Romney has committed to a far right campaign, he still wants to appeal to the moderate voter and Johnson could be his token.
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| | | 12 | sarge33rd
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 12:01
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Isnt Johnson the official Libertarian candidate though?
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| | | 13 | Perm Dude
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 12:13
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Talk about a RINO!
:)
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| | | 14 | Frick
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 13:44
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I have a number of friends that plan on voting for Johnson, but I wonder how many people outside of Libertarians have actually heard of him.
Although at this point 4 years ago, no one had ever heard of Palin.
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| | | 15 | Boldwin
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 13:50
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I'm thinking of either guys who could A) potentially swing states Romney needs or B) handle themselves exceptionally well with the media and C) can bring in cash, D) possibly help sweep the south and E) doesn't outshine Romney in any way and F) helps with a minority group without hurting as much as helping in that area.
And don't have too much bad blood between them and Romney which knocks out a lotta people I like.
A)swing state
B)especially media savy
C)Cash
D)south
E)low key
F)minority
1AE) Portman, could swing Ohio
2ABC) Jeb Bush
3BCD) Haley Barbour
4)A?BC) Chris Christie
5AE) Tim Pawlenty, helps solidify the conservatives without freaking out the media.
6ADEF) Rubio
7BDEF) Jindal
Not in the order of probability I am predicting. These are just the ones who bring something to the table without bringing too much baggage.
Some guys who would fit with Romney like a hand in glove but are from the wrong state: Mitch Daniels, Mike Pence, (can win Indiana without them), Pat Toomey (tho Penn just might fall)
Others:
Plenty fit well but are too inexperienced. Plenty have bad blood with Mitt but would be great firing up the base and/or the south. Plenty could either help or hurt with minorities, risky keeping that front and center, and he might not want to play that card.
Darkhorse: Marsha Blackburn
She could make a nice choice to help possibly sweep coal country. She covers a 'minority interest group' namely women without raising controversy over minorities. She helps chip away at Obama's gender advantage, one of the few advantages he has. Attractive, experienced, charismatic, conservative and southern.
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| | | 16 | Perm Dude
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 14:15
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I think those are all good choices. I believe Jeb took himself out of the running, however. They all have their drawbacks, but they don't have to be perfect (IMO)--they just have to bring to the ticket something Romney is lacking.
I might consider paying money to watch a Christie-Biden debate. We'll need an over/under for how long into the debate they both go blue.
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| | | 17 | Boldwin
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 14:16
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The more I research this Blackburn is the logical choice.
A woman. An attractive, charismatic, media savvy person who can really think on her feet under hostile media attack.
A tax revolt hero. A leader to prevent a state income tax in Tenn. Americans for Tax Reform called Blackburn a "taxpayer hero" in 2003.
Fiscal and social conservative. Blackburn scored 100% on American Conservative Union’s 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009 Ratings of Congress. The Family Research Council gave Blackburn the "true blue" award for the first half of the 108th Congress.
A writer for the online conservative magazine American Thinker.
A senior advisor on Romney's team last cycle, (before leaving for [my preferred] Fred Thompson team)
Served as an assistant whip in the 108th and 109th Congress, and served as a deputy whip for the 110th and 111th Congress.
During the 110th Congress she was the Communications Chairman for the Republican Study Committee.
Famously put Gore on the spot about his business interests in the energy industry.
Hero in the fight to tame the TSA.
Leader in the fight to prevent government takeover of the internet:
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| | | 18 | Perm Dude
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 14:21
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Not a bad pick--depends on how the relationship with Romney ended last time, I think. And if she's the master of the gotcha question with Gore the Tea Party might like her even more as they hear more about her.
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| | | 19 | Boldwin
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 14:59
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Christie-Biden debate would be a replay of the Black Knight from Monty Python. A day later Biden looks down and finally says, "wow, that was an F'n bloodbath".
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| | | 20 | Perm Dude
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 15:02
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Don't underestimate Biden. He destroyed Palin, delicately and decisively, and she was, indeed, standing mortally wounded and wondering why she wasn't being congratulated at the end for a good job.
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| | | 21 | Boldwin
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 15:07
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Eye of the beholder, I guess.
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| | | 22 | sarge33rd
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 15:09
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lmao
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| | | 23 | Perm Dude
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 15:27
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To some degree I think Baldwin's absolutely right, sarge. Particularly with Palin's martyr complex, getting beat up by a Washington insider like Biden is seen as a positive--proof that Biden and those like him don't get regular folks.
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| | | 24 | sarge33rd
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 15:44
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I take it to mean Bolwin, like Palin still thinks she won that debate.
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| | | 25 | Boldwin
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 15:44
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In my eyes she did.
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| | | 26 | sarge33rd
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 15:46
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in your eyes, her defeat was not even possible. Had she not shown up, you'd declare her the winner. You utterly lack any ability to even resemble honest, in your evaluations.
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| | | 27 | Perm Dude
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 16:03
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I'll give her this: She exceeded expectations.
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| | | 28 | Great One
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 16:04
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She probably had the answers written on her hand...
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| | | 29 | Frick
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Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 16:22
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Re: 27
Greatest backhanded compliment ever.
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| | | 30 | Seattle Zen
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Tue, Jul 24, 2012, 13:40
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Every candidate's worst nightmare embodied in one last name: Eagleton. Let's not pretend that but for the Eagleton pick, McGovern was going to win, no, that was not the case, but it sure took the wind out of his sails and cracked his hull.
Hasty and Ruinous 1972 Pick Colors Today’s Hunt for a No. 2
Today, one of the lasting legacies of Mr. McGovern’s choice of Mr. Eagleton — and the tumult it caused in his campaign — is the microscopic examination of the lives and records of potential vice-presidential candidates, a ritual involving teams of lawyers and consultants and reams of medical and financial records that the candidates are obligated to produce.
Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican nominee, is now engaged in that vetting process. And while he is renowned for his love of data, as well as his caution, every presidential candidate since Mr. McGovern has had the same goal in the vice-presidential search: no surprises.
In the case of Mr. Eagleton, a number of other people besides Mr. Lilly had some inkling of his history, even if they did not have definitive proof. They included a prominent member of Mr. Eagleton’s staff, many political figures and reporters in Missouri, reporters for Time magazine and probably officials in the Nixon White House.
Today Mr. Eagleton would have access to medications that would have made this issue moot.
Until then, Mr. McGovern had focused on only one person, Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts. After a long courtship, Mr. Kennedy rejected the offer a final time, and Mr. McGovern then tried and failed to interest two of his closest friends in the Senate, Walter F. Mondale of Minnesota and Gaylord A. Nelson of Wisconsin, in the position. His aides focused on the mayor of Boston, Kevin H. White, and Mr. Eagleton. They immediately realized that they had little information about either one.
Gordon Weil, Mr. McGovern’s Senate executive assistant, volunteered to check out both men. Mr. Weil had only an hour or so to inquire about a strong rumor that a journalist had passed on to a McGovern aide concerning Mr. Eagleton’s alcoholism or mental illness.
Mr. Weil’s quick check turned up rumors that Mr. Eagleton drank, but not seriously, and no evidence of mental health problems. Mr. McGovern dismissed the reports on Mr. Eagleton, and he instead put more stock in his Senate colleagues’ recommendations.
With a party-imposed deadline of that afternoon to pick his running mate, Mr. McGovern had to act quickly — and he did. He offered the nomination to a man with whom his longest meaningful conversation had lasted for 20 minutes, in the Senate steam room.
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