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Subject: Poli baseball 2013

  Posted by: Tree - [1910562515] Mon, Feb 11, 2013, 22:55
invites have been sent out to last year's owners.
 
1Great One
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Feb 12, 2013, 09:21 		Remember that time I beat Boldwin? That was awesome. 4 more years for GOBAMA!!!!

So after overturning my inherited roster on my rise to 2nd and eventually to 1st last year... I've left myself with a roster I don't particularly like. Everybody except Verlander for sale.

Were there issues to vote on? Trade deadline? only using Kafenatid this year?
having the prospect draft BEFORE the regular draft to close prospect blocking loopholes?
 
2Coldwater coyotes
      ID: 49725166
      Tue, Feb 12, 2013, 20:17 		I have not been an active member of this league or an active member of the Politics Forum so I should probably resign.
If you find any difficulty in finding a replacement then I will sign up for another year.
Thanks.
 
3Boldwin
      ID: 9125132
      Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 03:27 		'Not active' as in not throwing trade offers and banter willy-nilly or not active as in not trying?
 
4Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 04:13
I think he means not active as in not trying.

 
5biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 08:05 		I thought he meant not actively on these boards refuting conspiracy theories.
 
6Great One
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 10:34 		G20's Draft timeline... should we copy it? Many of us are in both and both leagues have prospect/supplemental draft format. Would make it simple.

- Keepers due Thursday March 7th
- Prospect keepers due Friday March 8th
- Prospect draft starts Sunday March 10th
- Supplemental draft turned on Wednesday March 13th
- Supplemental draft clock starts Friday March 15th
 
7Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 10:43 		Fine with me.
 
8Myboyjack
      ID: 447112610
      Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 10:45 		I will continue on until a replacement is found for me, but I have no interest in being in this league at this point. Thanks guys.
 
9Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 10:48 		i certainly wouldn't mind keepers being due a bit later. nearly 4 weeks before opening day seems a bit early.

i'm sorry that MBJ and CC don't want to continue. i do hope they change their minds.
 
10Building 7
      ID: 87592712
      Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 12:38 		I'm retiring from fantasy baseball.
 
11PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 14:51 		Didn't we vote not to change the way the Drafts were line up?
 
12Tree
      ID: 161111314
      Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 15:11 		update on managers -

Confirmed and signed up:
Baldwin (amen!)
C1NRB
Tree
Great One
PV
Bobo (early candidate for team name of the year)
Punk
Bili

Not signed up yet:
NC
Jorge
Taxman


On the Fence and possibly retiring:
MBJ
CC

Retiring: B7

that is all 14 from last season. let's see if we can reach out to Nerve, Jorge (can you take care of this PV?), and Tax.

sounds like, so far, we need to replace between 1 and 3 managers.

i know WG has inquired about this league before, and he does play in our football league. he's an extremely active owner, so i'd toss his name into the hat immediately.


 
13Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 15:39
I am confirmed

normal draft is before the prospect draft.

 
14 taxman
      ID: 351561315
      Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 17:43 		Been off the grid. I continue to not follow this forum,bit I will re-up if some one will rattle my cage when I am MIA.

my cell: five12-8zero1-66zero5
 
15GO
      ID: 120252515
      Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 08:45 		Did we vote on the timing of the drafts last year? Cause it makes zero sense. And would close loopholes like we had last year with Hultzen.
 
16 Tree
      ID: 191101419
      Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 20:10 		Most recent update -

Confirmed and signed up:
Baldwin
C1NRB
Tree
Great One
PV
Bobo
Punk
Bili
NC
Tax

Not signed up yet:
Jorge



On the Fence and possibly retiring:
MBJ
CC

Retiring: B7

PV - do you mind prodding Jorge?

anyone strongly opposed to WG being invited into the baseball league to take over a retiring team, please email me prior to Sunday morning.
 
17Boldwin
      ID: 361481420
      Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 21:53 		I think WG is a given. He has represented himself well in both draft and team management. Keeping league members across sports is obviously a plus in terms of retaining interest and continuity.

Boldwin: captain obvious.
 
18Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 01:11

GO it doesn't make sense to you but to some people it adds a layer of strategy as to wether they should draft a player who is expected to play that year who is also an unsigned prospect. It's not a "loophole" it's a strategy.
 
19PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 06:26 		Exactly Nerve, it's a difference this league has that isn't a cookie cutter of others.

What was the Hultzen problem last year, I can't remember exactly the problem.
 
20GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 10:32 		Sounds good, I will then greatly utilize the strategy.
Just remember that there is a reason that all the other leagues use that format. Because its logical and fair to those trying to rebuild.

So what are the rules of who can be picked during the supplemental draft? Can I pick anybody? Little league, college, international etc?

Just like when I was told why we have unnecessarily short benches to increase activity and adjusted my strategy accordingly. That's a major advantage for me - the overactive manager. And the results were almost instant -- went from 14th to 6th second half of my 1st season... then 2nd overall... then 1st overall.
 
21GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 10:34 		Did we ever get around to piecing together a league constitution or at least some basic rules? We can use my Dirty Dozen as a guideline.

With more new teams this year I think its more important than ever.
 
22Boldwin
      ID: 32131159
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 10:58 		I certainly don't have the energy, GO. If you dare lead where the magnificent if cantankerous Toral failed, have at it and see if your results get voted up, down or revised.
 
23Tree
      ID: 111261510
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 11:29 		What was the Hultzen problem last year, I can't remember exactly the problem

not really a problem, iirc.

i believe Bobo took him in the regular draft, then someone tried to take him in the prospect draft.

i agree that it's an odd kink in this league, but one i enjoy. i don't know that it's ever paid off, but perhaps it has.

Just like when I was told why we have unnecessarily short benches to increase activity and adjusted my strategy accordingly. That's a major advantage for me - the overactive manager. And the results were almost instant

worked for me too as i rebuilt a perennial also ran into a team that, until last season, usually contended. that one extra bench spot isn't going to change things in that regard.
 
24GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 11:33 		There were some votes last year votes

I count 5-4 in favor of extra bench slot.
I count 6-3 in favor of dropping from 2 days to 1 day waivers.

Please confirm these and I'll add them in the constitution I'm working on. I'll be coming here with tons of questions for things that aren't clarified too.
 
25GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 11:36 		We can call up and play our prospects now, right? So we just have 5 of them til they meet the threshold or get renounced?
 
26Boldwin
      ID: 32131159
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 12:06 		Strange question. My recollection is that the farm draft follows the actual draft so yes, you can draft your own prospect, but why would you? To make more room for prospects? You never have more than five no matter what. Does not compute.
 
27Boldwin
      ID: 32131159
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 12:10 		GO

You would get better responses if you reference the posts and the threads they are in, when you ask about them.
 
28Tree
      ID: 111261510
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 12:13 		GO - you can keep up to 3 of your prospect-eligible players from one season to the next.

Baldwin - every season we've had at least one owner "draft" someone from his prospect squad to the regular squad.

by doing so, it opens up slots for the prospect draft.

if i keep 3 prospects, and i call up Joe Schmo during the regular draft (i.e. use a draft pick), i then have THREE prospect draft picks during the draft, instead of two.
 
29C1-NRB
      ID: 451120913
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 13:39 		We can call up and play our prospects now, right?
Sort of. There are "old rule" prospects that, once they are brought up, lose "prospect" status (can be picked up by other teams if they're released) and "new rule" prospects that hold up-and-down prospect eligibility (can't be picked up by another team) until they reach the threshhold.
 
30C1-NRB
      ID: 451120913
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 13:42 		For clarification:
My previous post is in refernece to "In Season" prospect movement. I may have read the original question wrong.
 
31GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 13:51 		C1 - thats what I was looking for. The in-season piece new/old rule.
And Tree I am copying how you wrote the picks piece out.

So we traded prospects last year. So is there a max of 5 prospects you can have? Or could I trade someone 3 for 1 putting them over (until the following years draft when they have to get back down to 3 or less).
 
32GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 14:06 		Do we still have guys under "the old rules"? Should we maybe just switch to the "new rules" at this point so we don't have to worry about tracking this any longer? Its making it more complicated to draft up the rules obviously.
 
33Boldwin
      ID: 32131159
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 14:40 		I can't give you a citation, but I am certain we have never allowed more than 5 prospects at any point in time. I suppose in the middle of an immediately executed 3 way deal or something conceivably, but nothing that would end up with more than 5. Anything else would be outside the spirit of the rules as I've understood them.
 
34GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 14:44 		Whoever commished Draftime last year please log-in and hit "Renew" and it should send links to all members.
 
35Tree
      ID: 541461513
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 14:46 		while i believe we should be able to carry as many prospects as we want during the season as long as we pare it down to 3 keepers, we've never allowed more than 5 at a time.

an unwritten rule, so to speak, but a rule nonetheless.
 
36Tree
      ID: 541461513
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 14:48 		although we've still got to get owners in place, i will definitely be looking to move a few guys, including:

Joe Mauer
Mark Trumbo
Mark Teixeira
Jesus Montero
RA Dickey
Tim Lincecum
Mariano Rivera

and a few others too...
 
37GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 14:55 		I too think it shouldn't matter how many you have at any point in the year as long as you get down to 3 before the draft... just another strategy, right?

Vote? Boldwin are you against it or just saying thats what the rule has been?

I emailed my first draft of the constitution to Tree to review. I didn't know Boldwin's email.

Also need to confirm if I should implement the changes based on the votes in post #24. I'll add them in and someone would need to update on Yahoo league settings.
 
38WG
      ID: 3811221423
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 15:36 		Tree mentioned that there might be an opening in this league. I would be very interested in joining if you'd have me. Baseball is my favorite sport and I will remain active throughout the year.
 
39Boldwin
      ID: 32131159
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 19:28 		Kafenatid Draftime draft for 2013 has been created. I'm still feeling my way around this not terribly intuitive interface.

Did auto invites go out when I created it? Anyone received one?
 
40Boldwin
      ID: 32131159
      Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 19:30 		I'm not removing any managers just yet. We'll see if the bug bites.
 
41Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 00:26 		I'm not removing any managers just yet. We'll see if the bug bites.

B7 announced his retirement. two other managers have expressed interest in leaving.

we can't force people to play if they don't want to, and should be actively looking to fill those spots.
 
42Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 01:46
It's not an unwritten rule. We've written it many times. You are only allowed to have 5 prospects. If you make a trade that means you add a prospect, you must announce in the same thread as the trade who you are dropping.

GO if you want to try to change rules that is fine but it has to be done properly.

Start a new rule thread and list your suggestions and then the league votes on them. Takes a majority to pass.

As far as adding a bench slot, I changed my vote from no to yes a couple weeks ago so I think the yes votes are 7 now.

Since half the league never seems to vote, maybe the rules for change should be a vote is in effect for 2weeks? and it takes a majority of league members voting not total majority. Because there are some people who never vote.

 
43Tree
      ID: 2510132311
      Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 05:07 		Amen to your last paragraph. Only amended to one week. No reason for a vote to be open for 2 weeks. That's an eternity.
 
44GO
      ID: 210411222
      Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 08:38 		Just like America... majority rules of those who get themselves to the polls.

Yahoo commish please add extra bench slot and adjust waiver days 2 to 1.
 
45GO
      ID: 210411222
      Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 08:41 		When you renew on Draftime everyone is automatically registered. Those leaving can be removed and new folks can be emailed the registration link.
 
46Boldwin
      ID: 32131159
      Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 08:49 		we can't force people to play if they don't want to, and should be actively looking to fill those spots. - Tree

Absolutely, and I hope the looking is going with all deliberate speed.

No sense kicking them from draftime till they get replaced tho. I've seen minds change as America's favorite rotisserie sport season nears and Rotoguru's most fun league gets close to finalizing.
 
47Boldwin
      ID: 32131159
      Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 08:50 		I second every word of #42.
 
48Boldwin
      ID: 32131159
      Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 08:53 		Any no votes for WG? Of course not. Welcome aboard, WG, as far as this assistant commish is concerned.

Pausing for any dissent which will not be forthcoming I'll send the invite in a day or so.
 
49GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 09:47 		WG has been a great addition to a few leagues I'm in . Very active.
 
50Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 11:02 		there's no question WG is in.

i am holding off to see if we find replacement managers for CC or MBJ as well, so we can do a more fair way of who gets what team, instead of just assigning them.

anyone have any other suggestions an any particular individual to join the league?
 
51Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 12:52
Welcome WG get ready for a pretty crazy fantasy Baseball experience.

We could also ask PD if he wants to come back? he was always a great league member and a solid commish.

 
52Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 13:29
Checked with PD. That would be a NO.

 
57biliruben
      ID: 21841115
      Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 13:30 		Woo boy. Was it ever!
 
58Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 13:30
By the way if anyone else is in any other serious leagues looking for a member let me know.

 
59taxman
      ID: 11291516
      Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 19:39 		my votes are now listed in the previous year thread
 
60Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Sun, Feb 17, 2013, 14:22

Don't know what happened with those multiple PD posts, I think I was stuttering. Will delete shortly.
 
61Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Sun, Feb 17, 2013, 14:27

Just remember that there is a reason that all the other leagues use that format. Because its logical and fair to those trying to rebuild.

for someone trying to rebuild it might be most advantageous because the can take the chance on drafting prospects outside of just the minor league team where as a contending team can less risk taking a chance.

Anyway bottom barral teams seem to have a shot under this format as we recently had a manager go from 14th to winning the league in two years. (see below)

So what are the rules of who can be picked during the supplemental draft? Can I pick anybody? Little league, college, international etc?

Yes

went from 14th to 6th second half of my 1st season... then 2nd overall... then 1st overall.

Shocking in a league with so many rules to hamper the underdog. Cheers for that...



 
62Boldwin
      ID: 22135179
      Sun, Feb 17, 2013, 14:33 		How do you see this league as having rules harsh on poor teams? I had several years below the halfway point within the last three or four years and I think there was a real stinker in there.
 
63Boldwin
      ID: 22135179
      Sun, Feb 17, 2013, 14:37 		In fact I see our league having rules you like which were hard on me making my comeback. The short bench and the near impossibility of getting a prospect up to keeper status before having to cut him.
 
64GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 13:20 		I was dead last the first half of my first season cause I was in the midst of turning my entire roster over into a more sustainable long term squad. Which I accomplished.

But I had some long term guys tying up key bench spots so I was unable to compete initially. Had I had more bench spots I could have had a long term guy or two while also being competitive. Unfortunately the short bench required you to make that decision of whether you want to compete now or in the future. Unless you are content to be middle of the road forever.

And a league that criticizes (as a few did) a last place team selling a closer to a contender is a significant road block for a rebuilding teams ability to stockpile picks and get value for their non-keepers. That's keeper league trading 101.

The early trade deadline also screws rebuilding teams cause they aren't going to get those kinds of deals done 7 weeks before the season is over - because they don't want to concede that early, and cause contenders aren't always clear at that point (and in buying mode).

And yes, key prospects being picked during the regular draft and never getting a chance to give the last place team first dibs via the prospect draft is a HUGE detriment to those bottom of the barrel teams. If you they really want the top available prospect they would need to pick him in the normal draft and have that guy tying up a regular roster spot til they are actually a major leaguer. In a league with short benches to begin with.

It would be like the Red Sox and Yankees signing whatever prospects are available right before the MLB draft in June... and then saying - ok Houston - you get the first pick of whatever is left.
 
65GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 13:26 		Also remember my rebuilding wasn't a complete rebuilding - I didn't have to start from scratch. More like a re-tooling. I inherited decent keepers like Hanley and Holliday... I just needed time to turn guys like Ryan Howard and Carlos Lee who had value at the time into value beyond the short term. I also had David Price who nobody wanted at the time - I offered him to every team in the league.

I can't imagine having to rebuild with nothing like a couple of these guys are doing. The deck is stacked against them.
 
66Boldwin
      ID: 291531918
      Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 21:58 		Someone refresh our memory of the 'Mark Prior Rule'.
 
67Boldwin
      ID: 291531918
      Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 22:02
j) Prior Rule. Until the Prospect Draft is concluded, no prospect that was ineligible for the regular draft can be acquired by any team.
 
68Boldwin
      ID: 291531918
      Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 22:06 		For the record, the point in post #42 in that link has been superseded by a rule change and you can now move a farm player up and down wherever you want as long as he is within his playing limits.
 
69Boldwin
      ID: 291531918
      Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 22:11 		Prospects are rarely draftable in the regular draft as they are usually not yet on the Yahoo roster of draftable players. At least I don't recall having the freedom to draft anyone not on Yahoo's list.

Kafenatid's list and Yahoo's may differ. We use Yahoo's AFAIK.
 
70Boldwin
      ID: 291531918
      Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 22:19 		GO

And no, rebuilding is not a walk in the park. I had to hold 2 sputtering supposed potential future batting title holders for five years each before it was clear they would or wouldn't blossom. I had to drag around two pitchers for a year of Tommy John recuperation, clogging up my roster.

These were not fun times in roto, let me tell you.
 
71GO
      ID: 300542419
      Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 23:50 		I think you are right - the rule (which makes it kind of arbitrary) is they have to be in the Yahoo system to be drafted. So that does help keep some prospects ineligible for the regular draft. But there are still a few good ones like Hultzen last year that Yahoo just randomly has in their database that creates this loophole.
 
72Boldwin
      ID: 291531918
      Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 01:15 		Not enuff to be a problem. I can tell you that the year Prior came up, the lowest ranking manager was just dying to see Yahoo go off all arbitrary on Prior.
 
73Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 01:19 		Hultzen being in the database was totally weird. he had never had any MLB service.

currently, i don't believe there are any guys in the yahoo DB with zero MLB service.
 
74PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 13:28 		I don't see how it's a problem at all. If you want to draft someone during the reg draft, then draft them. If it is a prospect that probably won't even start the season with the MLB team, then that hurts you.
 
75GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 13:49 		How does it hurt me if I pick him in the last round to block a bad team from getting him in the prospect draft... and then when the season starts I just cut him loose and pick up the hot free agent.

And that doesn't even need to have strategic (blocking) malicious intent. I could just take a flyer on the guy in the last round for the heck of it... then he doesn't get a job out of spring and I cut him loose.

I just took a good prospect out of a rebuilding teams hands.
 
76GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 13:51 		That's why there is no particular reason to draft in this order. There is no advantage to doing it the way we do, only potential disadvantages to those with the top prospect picks.
 
77GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 13:53 		But like I said before - that's fine with me. I'm on top right now, so I'm cool with keeping it that way and working the system. No reason for me to fight for the bottom squads. Was just trying to be fair to them.
 
78Tree
      ID: 341292011
      Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 14:22 		i do agree with GO. prospect draft should come first, but it is what it is.

there's a definite strategy in picking a prospect in the regular draft to block someone else from getting him.

there are definitely several top prospects that are in the Yahoo database that are prospect eligible for our league, but were not drafted as prospects.

and i mean TOP prospects that can make a difference for weaker teams for a long time. i'm pretty shocked.

i think it's time to close this loophole.
 
79GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 14:35 		This was the most recent list I see. Can obviously cross some of these names off.

Would there be any support to just waive the new/old rule system and just let everyone be called up and used til they meet their threshold? Not fair to some of these guys with these studs sitting on their list and they can't use them. And its been a couple years.

Sags
Manny Banuelos
Taylor Green, IF, MIL
Jorge Soler, OF
Jameson Taillon
Shelby Miller

Bobo
Mason Williams, OF, NYY
Stetson Allie, P, PIT
Bubba Starling, OF, KC
JULIO TEHERAN, RHP, ATL
Trevor Bauer, SP, ARIZONA

Pancho Villa
Scott Gennett, OF, MIL
Drew Pomeranz, P, Col
Dayan Viciedo **
Chris Sale
Tyler Matzek **

biliruben
Xander Bogearts, SS, BOS
Nick Franklin, SS, SEA
Nolan Arenado, 3B, Col
Jean Segura, SS, Ana
Miguel Sano, Masher, Min **

taxman
Gary Brown OF, SF
Yasmani Grandal, C, SD
Martin Perez, P, TEX
Brett Jackson
Jurickson Profar

Baldwin
Cory Spangenberg, 2B, CHI
Henderson Alvarez, P, TOR
Tyler Skaggs, P, ARI
Kenley Jansen RP, LAD
Mike Trout OF, LAA

Coldwater Coyotes
Chestor Cuthbert
Wil Myers, OF, KC
Matt Adams, 1B, STL
Andrew Cashner, RP, SD
Zach Wheeler, P, NYM

Myboyjack
Zach Lee, P, LAD
Nick Castellanos, 3B, DET
Billy Hamilton, SS, CIN
Devin Mesoraco, C
Michael Ynoa, P **

C1-NRB
Jarred Cosart, P, HOU
Mike Olt, 3B, TEX
Leonys Martin, OF, TEX
Mike Montgomery **
Aaron Hicks

Tree
Starling Marte, OF, PIT
Will Middlebrooks, 3B, BOS
Dylan Bundy, SP, BAL
Anthony Rendon
Wei-Yin Chen, SP, BAL

PuNk42AE
Christian Yelich, OF, MIA
Travis D'Arnaud, C, TOR
SS Manny Machado
OF Bryce Harper **
SP Jacob Turner **

Building 7
Anthony Gose, OF, TOR
Anthony Rizzo, 1B, CHI
Matt Moore - TB
Jarrod Parker - Oak
Jonathan Singleton - Hou

Great One
Mark Appel, SP
Mike Zunino, C, FLA
Francisco Lindor
Victor Roache, OF
Yonder Alonso, 1B, SDG

Nerve
Hak Ju Lee, SS, TB
Archie Bradley, SP, AZ
Gerrit Cole SP PIT
Casey Kelly SP SD **
George Springer OF HOU
 
80Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 16:11 		The early trade deadline also screws rebuilding teams cause they aren't going to get those kinds of deals done 7 weeks before the season is over - because they don't want to concede that early, and cause contenders aren't always clear at that point (and in buying mode).

it's not an "early" deadline, it is the standard Yahoo deadline. If you are so unhappy about it start a thread for the league to vote on changing it. It's also frustrating for a team heading to a league championship who loses because a crap team dumps major talent to a team that would other wise not win, THAT is why standard leagues like Yahoo make the deadline when they do. And yes it's happened.

Key prospects being picked during the regular draft and never getting a chance to give the last place team first dibs via the prospect draft is a HUGE detriment to those bottom of the barrel teams. If you they really want the top available prospect they would need to pick him in the normal draft and have that guy tying up a regular roster spot til they are actually a major leaguer. In a league with short benches to begin with.

No because if he is that worthless no one will pick him up, and if they do, just to dump him, then they are just spiteful idiots and karma will bit them. It would never occur to me to pick up a prospect in the regular draft I don't intend to use, as I assume every pick in the draft is precious if I am contending. Honestly in 10 years never occurred to me until you said this and it still makes no sense to me.

and i mean TOP prospects that can make a difference for weaker teams for a long time. i'm pretty shocked.

Can you give me a past example of someone who was picked up, not to use but block another team and then dropped? I mean this player could then be picked up by anyone in the league if he is so great and a non contending team could grab him and have essentially 6 prospects without using the 6th slot.

To me the main purpose of the strategy is, if you are really up on the draft, and someone has gotten hot in the minors, and is going to play in the majors and isn't on a prospect list, you can grab him, to use.

The worst teams in the league have the best shot at getting them as they are front of the line in the draft and it's non snake.

And you really would pick up someone in the last round just to dump him?

The following players were taken in the last round of the draft last year...


Jesus Montero

Ian Desmond

Justin Smoak

Aroldis Chapman

I am more then happy with my pick of Ian Desmond in the last round, you go ahead and pick a prospect to dump...

if you don't like the rule, then start a thread asking to change it...


 
82Tree
      ID: 371392017
      Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 18:39 		it's not an "early" deadline, it is the standard Yahoo deadline.

by the standards of most other leagues, it's early.

It's also frustrating for a team heading to a league championship who loses because a crap team dumps major talent to a team that would other wise not win...

but that's how sports works - if you're a team out of contention, you take steps to improve your team for next season; if you're in contention, you take steps to pull ahead of the rest of the pack.

it's damned frustrating to lose that way. but that IS how the game is played, and how it should be played.

if it were deal where someone was getting something for nothing, i'd understand being pissed off - but losing because of strategy???

The following players were taken in the last round of the draft last year...


Jesus Montero
Ian Desmond
Justin Smoak
Aroldis Chapman


Montero was a prospect. that's why he was taken in the last round. i can't speak for the others.




 
83Boldwin
      ID: 221322014
      Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 21:01 		I just took a good prospect out of a rebuilding teams hands. - GO

They get to pick before you do.
 
84GO
      ID: 300542419
      Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 22:15 		Yes, the trade deadline is the earliest of any league I've ever seen. G20, Dirty Dozen, all of Guru's RIBC leagues off the top of my head -- all use a end of August at least.

And RIBC isn't even a keeper league and they are later than this league. In a non-keeper I could see making a case for mid-August deadline as teams out of contention have no motivation to make deals. Thats likely why the default is that. Because public leagues aren't keeper. But keeper leagues are a totally different animal and the #1 thing a last place team should be doing to selling all its non-keeper assets off to contenders for draft picks or trading for injured or undervalued guys. Keeper trading 101. If you don't do it, you aren't trying to improve your franchise. And that's more of a crime.

re: draft picks --- Picks at the end of the draft aren't really that precious. I will be taking some minor league guys in those rounds and if they don't pan out they are simply gonna be the first guy I drop in April.
 
85Boldwin
      ID: 14158212
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 04:11 		While I may not be unalterably opposed to moving back the trade deadline, I would be kinda miffed if saves comes down to whoever gets to the worst manager first for the closer firesale. I suppose it comes down to confidence in our last three managers or so, that they will at least demand full value in return for their trading.
 
86taxman
      ID: 11291516
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 09:02 		Are we still looking for managers??
 
87Tree
      ID: 2510132311
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 09:09 		Define fire sale.

If a last place manager can get a first round pick for a couple non-keepers, it's hardly a fire sale.

If I'm contending, and i think moving a first round pick can give me the victory, then i do it. I know GO and WG feel the same way.

This league has been adverse to keeper trading 101 for as long as I've been in this league, going back to those who believed I was gutting my brand new team (that was filled with aging players and had never finished outside of the bottom 3 before i got it) by trading Jeff Kent for Luis Castillo and a second year player named Carl Crawford.

And what should it matter what the category is? Saves are as important as any other category in fantasy baseball.
 
88GO
      ID: 120252515
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 09:12 		Lets take the AF - Billy Wagner trade offer for example. I offered him a 2nd round pick for the RETIRING Billy Wagner so I could make a saves push. He was scared to do it because of fear of of backlash by a couple particular managers.

So was trading a guy with no value and turning that into a 2nd round pick... would that have been the smart move for a last place team to make? There is no doubt it was right if he was trying to improve his team. And that should be the goal of every team top to bottom every day they check their squad.
 
89Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 11:36
it's damned frustrating to lose that way. but that IS how the game is played, and how it should be played.

Actually it's NOT, major league baseball has a July 31 deadline for that very reason.

it's only "how the game is played" if the league sets up the deadline so close to the end of the season.



 
90GO
      ID: 120252515
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 11:54 		God, if I could just thinks of one good example. Didn't some team improve itself for the long haul by unloading aging under-performing players for a bunch of prospects, so the other team could make a final playoff push... oh that's right! Boston-LA Trade August 25th 2012

Yeah - and Boldwin saves is just the easy example. What if I acquired Juan Pierre before the deadline for a 3rd round pick so I could gain a few points in SB's? Sounds like I made a very smart move.

Tax - There are two people on the fence about returning. So we can get you cued up at the top of the waiting list. I'm sure most would agree you'd be a great addition.
 
91Tree
      ID: 51432111
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 12:43 		Tax - There are two people on the fence about returning. So we can get you cued up at the top of the waiting list. I'm sure most would agree you'd be a great addition.

Tax rarely posts here, but he's actually already part of the league. :o)

Tax - if you know someone who would love to join, let us know!

God, if I could just thinks of one good example.

Larry Walker from the Rockies to the Cards in 2004. Alex Rios in 2009. 2010 alone saw Cody Ross, Derrek Lee, Jeff Francoeur, Jim Edmonds, and Manny Ramirez all moved after the MLB trading deadline.

Actually it's NOT, major league baseball has a July 31 deadline for that very reason.

it's only "how the game is played" if the league sets up the deadline so close to the end of the season.


that's the non-Waiver deadline. you can still make trades after that, as evidenced above.

you're very much against a later deadline, because you're bitter over what happened the year i traded my first rounder pick for a couple of closers.

i won by 1.5 points that season and won the saves category by 1 save.

i made several other trades that season that also played significant roles in me winning - but no one remembers those. in SEVEN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, the person immediately behind me in the category was single digits away from passing me. it was that close, and that's why you pull out all the stop in THAT season, to win. you don't play for next year if you have a shot to win this year.

in an effort to win, i traded away my first rounder, my second rounder, and my first round prospect pick in an effort to win.

i paid a heavy price trying to win the crown that year, and i did it by offering teams with no shot that year, a better shot in the future. i'm still paying for those trades.

that is EXACTLY how you play keeper league baseball.

 
92GO
      ID: 120252515
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 13:05 		If you can't make that trade then I'm not sure why we are in a league that offers trading draft picks. That's the whole point. Top teams giving up future picks for success today. Bottom teams preparing for tomorrow.
 
93Boldwin
      ID: 511322113
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 14:33 		If it wasn't for closers, I really wouldn't have a problem with it. Closers are just such a cheap and cheezy way to pick up 6 points after I've sweat blood and tears all year building 4-5 closers and someone walks in and fleeces the despondent last place manager. It's like I had to compete in the real business-world and manager x made a trip to the old folks home and fooled some geezer into givin it away.

I'd like to think our last 3 finishers have been improved to the point I don't have to worry about it. And then I'm sitting there waiting half a day for the last place manager to make a pick and I'm not so sure.
 
94Tree
      ID: 51432111
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 15:01 		fleeces the despondent last place manager

and THAT is your problem.

you shouldn't be playing in a keeper league if you think a last place manager trading two non-keepers for a first round pick is "fleecing".

manager x made a trip to the old folks home and fooled some geezer into givin it away.

more and more, i'm thinking you probably shouldn't be in a keeper league if you think trading a first round draft pick is "givin it away".

Keeper league baseball is a very different animal than redraft leagues.

 
95Boldwin
      ID: 511322113
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 15:49 		I repost #85 for those not paying attention. Read every word. They are there for a reason.
While I may not be unalterably opposed to moving back the trade deadline, I would be kinda miffed if saves comes down to whoever gets to the worst manager first for the closer firesale. I suppose it comes down to confidence in our last three managers or so, that they will at least demand full value in return for their trading.
And yes we all know your fondest desire in life is to escort me out the poliboard door.
 
97GO
      ID: 120252515
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 16:00 		A top draft pick for a rental of a non-keeper caliber closer (in this example) seems like more than enough value to me. Sounds like the last place squad did pretty damn good.
 
98Tree
      ID: 121262115
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 16:27 		And yes we all know your fondest desire in life is to escort me out the poliboard door.

yes, myself and many others here do wish you'd leave.

but is it my fondest desire? it's not even in my top 100. don't flatter yourself.

they will at least demand full value in return for their trading.

says the guy who wanted a top draft pick for a 33 year old OF with bad knees, who was hitting .240 with 20 homers and 50 ribbies.

if trading away a first round draft pick for two non-keepers isn't the essence of keeper league trading, i dont know what is.
 
99Boldwin
      ID: 511322113
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 17:35 		BTW, I'd indeed have no problem if they traded a closer for a Carl Crawford.
 
100Boldwin
      ID: 511322113
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 17:37 		And pretty sure a guy who just hit 40 HR, has something left, like trade value.
 
101Tree
      ID: 511562116
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 17:57 		I'd indeed have no problem if they traded a closer for a Carl Crawford.

and this speaks volumes to simply not understanding certain aspects of keeper league trading.

to a team trying to re-build, there's not a heckuva lot of a value in Carl Crawford. he's now on the wrong side of 30, hasn't playing in 162 games IN THE LAST TWO SEASONS COMBINED, and has a combined 14 homers and 23 SBs in those last two seasons.

He's just not valuable right now to a team trying to rebuild.

And pretty sure a guy who just hit 40 HR, has something left, like trade value.

i'm not sure who you're talking about, but if you're talking about Soriano, in 2009 he was already 2 seasons removed from a 40 homer campaign, and again, on the wrong side of 30.

yes, he had a decent season last year - the first time he passed 30 home runs in a five years and a career high in RBIs. but he's also 37 years old, and if i'm rebuilding, i'm certainly not trying to acquire him.

and if you're not talking about Soriano, i'm curious as to who you are talking about, as only 6 guys hit more than 40 home runs last season.

 
102Boldwin
      ID: 511322113
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 18:30 		I was talking about Crawford way back when he was involved in one of your trades, and I thot you were talking about Granderson. Refresh my memory on who I thot I could get for Soriano.
 
103Boldwin
      ID: 511322113
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 18:36 		Soriano finished with a .262 so It looked like you were talking about my BA problem child last year, Granderson.
 
104Tree
      ID: 511562116
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 18:56 		BTW, I'd indeed have no problem if they traded a closer for a Carl Crawford....

...I was talking about Crawford way back when he was involved in one of your trades..

so, you want to play in a historical league?

i'm not understanding your point...a first round draft pick is worth less than an unproven rookie named Carl Crawford? remember, at the time, Crawford was 21 years old, and was coming off a 55 SB season with no power and an average of .280.

people SCREAMED that i moved Jeff Kent for Crawford and Luis Castillo, and now you want to be a revisionist and say that it would have been ok to move 2003 Carl Crawford for a closer, but not ok to move a first round draft pick?

and you wanted a high draft pick for Soriano. you never specified exactly what, but i think you were looking for a first rounder. (as for Granderson, i do think you tried to shop him, and obviously people made a mistake by not acquiring him, presuming the asking price was reasonable)

i'm not trying to be a jerk, but i really am dumbfounded that people don't see the merit and value in a contender trading a #1 draft pick to a rebuilding team for two non keepers that may help push the contender over the top.

as GO pointed out, the hysteria around here in regards to that deal basically caused AF to sacrifice the good of his team. he could have moved the RETIRING Billy Wagner for a top draft choice, but refused to because he got gun shy from the criticism.

it would have helped his team tremendously.

 
105Boldwin
      ID: 511322113
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 21:04 		1) I think you are waaaay overvaluing a 1st rounder, which is really an eigth rounder when you get down to it. Take a look at how many 1st rounders were mediocre performers.

I just sayin' somebody made a big big mistake not grabbing a piece of Soriano's 68 32HR 108RBI 6 .262 when he was available for a first rounder. If everyone can look me in the eye and tell me they got that value out of their 1st I'll shut up.

2) I am not trying to assert more than my 1/14 of the influence in this league. I'll even throw my vote reluctantly behind a Aug 30 deadline change as a trial run.

3) I am just asking the managers who will cough up 2 closers to consider what they are giving and get the value back.

In order to get in competiton for the top three in saves I am going to have to tie up probably three extra slots for half a year which won't be giving me a starter's K's or giving me batting counting stats and will leave me not quite filling my AB's. There will be several managers for whom 2 extra closers will mean 6 points. How many HR would they have to trade for to get an extra 6 pts in HR? Or 6 in any hitting category.

Get your full value if you give them up.

4) It isn't any secret that I have always been one of the more trade averse, or at least, hard-nosed traders in the league. Which doesn't mean I won't pull the trigger or give a fair hearing.

And it certainly doesn't mean I don't belong here.
 
106biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Feb 22, 2013, 00:03 		1) People evaluate players differently.

That is a good thing.

2) Because you can't count on even 1 offer for your 2-bit closers who likely won't have a job next year, you usually jump and getting any value for them. I attempted to move a number of players, with no result. A 4th would have been terrific.
 
107taxman
      ID: 11291516
      Fri, Feb 22, 2013, 23:17 		thanks tree...but we obviously have managers in this league who don't know who the other managers in the league are. I don't know if my candidate is going to thrive in this environment.
 
108GO
      ID: 300542419
      Fri, Feb 22, 2013, 23:57 		I don't even know what league I'm in half the time, so good luck keeping that straight too! :)
 
109Boldwin
      ID: 1317234
      Sat, Feb 23, 2013, 05:11 		I'd like to place my order for two steaming loads of closer to be picked up by Aug 31. Can I get a commitment from a few managers provided the results are sucking by then?
 
110Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Sat, Feb 23, 2013, 09:12 		Baldwin - make the offer towards the season's end. play the game, and quit whining.

stop being a baby because you haven't figured out how to win in a decade.
 
111Boldwin
      ID: 1317234
      Sat, Feb 23, 2013, 11:09 		So just how ambitious a commish are you planning on being this time around, Tree? Do I need to take over again?
 
112Tree
      ID: 161452310
      Sat, Feb 23, 2013, 13:28 		it's handled. (updates in bold)

Confirmed and signed up:
Baldwin
C1NRB
Tree
Great One
PV
Bobo
Punk
Bili
NC
Tax

Not signed up yet:
Jorge (he emailed me and asked if it was too late to sign up. i told him it was not; he still has yet to sign up.)


On the Fence and possibly retiring:
MBJ
CC

Retiring: B7

replacement managers:
WG

potential replacement managers:
TBA

if we don't find replacements, i'm not opposed to having one of three teams randomly assigned to WG, and then folding the other two teams - if two teams fold at the same time, it puts enough former keepers into play so as to not upset the balance of power.
 
113nerveclinic
      ID: 205418
      Sat, Feb 23, 2013, 16:03
Didn't some team improve itself for the long haul by unloading aging under-performing players for a bunch of prospects, so the other team could make a final playoff push... oh that's right! Boston-LA Trade August 25th 2012

Either an uneducated or a disingenuous example.

oh that's right! the players in the trade had to clear waivers first. They had to be openly offered to every team in baseball first. the team with the weakest record in the player's league gets preference.

That was not a normal "trade". It was after the trade deadline. It was a waiver trade. So why would you use that as an example when anyone with a minimal understanding of baseball knows it's not that same as a team trading players to a top team, off the record. So you see the point you were so smuggly trying to make shows either a lack of knowledge of baseball, or an intentional attempt to mislead people. Which was it?

It was not a normal trade as it happened after the deadline, and players had to pass through waivers, but surely you knew that?


The trading deadline in MLB is July 31st, for an obvious reason, to some people.


 
114GO
      ID: 210411222
      Sun, Feb 24, 2013, 01:54 		We have a hard trade deadline. That is obviously a soft deadline if teams are still wheeling and dealing after it.
 
115Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Sun, Feb 24, 2013, 07:32
What would this league be if we didn't argue with each other so much. ;)
 
116Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Sun, Feb 24, 2013, 10:09 		Congrats to GO. between winning poli baseball, helping Obama get re-elected, and now spawning a future pro wrestler, it's been a good year for ya! :oD
 
117GO
      ID: 210411222
      Sun, Feb 24, 2013, 16:02 		A newborn will likely cut draft prep from 45 to 25 min right?
 
118Boldwin
      ID: 581222411
      Sun, Feb 24, 2013, 18:03 		I would like to see a really vigorous push to fill all 14 teams. Not liking anything that changes the flavor or undermines the continuity and legitimacy of the league.
 
119Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 09:23 		i've posted in the regular baseball thread. i'm not sure what you mean by vigorous, but i'm not going to beg people.

if we don't have TWO SOLID owners in place by March 1, i think we should seriously discuss attrition (and no, dropping to 12 teams doesn't undermine any sort of legitimacy of this league)
 
120PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 18:13 		I will be gone the last week of March (in Fla watching ST) so hopefully we can have all the drafts done by then.
 
121Tree
      ID: 01102617
      Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 18:13 		as a heads up, we've had one person express interest in the other thread, and march 1 is right around the corner.

anyone have any other candidates?
 
122Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 00:21 		sent all registered managers an email.
 
123Boldwin
      ID: 45151272
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 03:55 		Why does March 1 need to be so firm a target?
 
124Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 04:36
Yes if we haven't settled on who is managing then mar 1st looks like it may have to be postponed a bit?

 
125Boldwin
      ID: 45151272
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 04:41 		I've got equipment problems and family visiting around the beginning of next month which I am preparing for or I'd be doing some serious manager recruiting. Still might.
 
126Bobo
      ID: 49122278
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 09:22 		Trade Announcement:

Bobo trades: 3rd Round Draft Pick to Nerve

Nerve trades: Austin Jackson/OF and 2nd to last Round Draft Pick to Bobo

Nerve will confirm.
 
127Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 10:07 		Confirmed

 
128Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 10:14 		Yes if we haven't settled on who is managing then mar 1st looks like it may have to be postponed a bit?


we've got Punk out of town the last week of March. i'd prefer not to sacrifice a current manager for a non-existent one.

although maybe we can get MBJ or CC to reconsider.

deadlines aren't a bad thing, they're a necessary thing.
 
129Boldwin
      ID: 45151272
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 19:32 		It never occurred to anyone else to drop Punk, I am positive of that. Last I heard we had decided on a quick live draft so how hard could it be to select a day or at most two, which doesn't conflict for the entire group?
 
130Tree
      ID: 491422718
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 19:42 		if that's the case, then not a problem. i presumed we were doing our normal slow draft.

if we're switching to a live draft, i'm thrilled, but we'll have to come up with some rules in regards to that (like if you pick someone else's prospect during that draft, you're SOL and you lose that pick).
 
131 Tree
      ID: 491422718
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 19:57 		also, i'm going to be looking to make some trades.

among those available are:

Brett Lawrie
Mark Teixeira
Joe Mauer
Jesus Montero
R.A. Dickey

and prospect Anthony Rendon

looking for draft picks, or 2-for-1 or 3-for-2 deals.
 
132PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 20:16 		It's always good these leagues are in the Poli forum. Trying to get anything set, including owners, draft times, which way we're doing them, ect is always a work of Political Strife and art.
 
133Boldwin
      ID: 591522719
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 21:01 		We never had a commish ruling for a fast draft, but we had at least 2 threats to quit if we didn't go fast draft [much to my chagrin btw] so I just assume we are goin fast draft.
 
134GO
      ID: 300542419
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 21:03 		I don't ever remember that myself. Was that from football perhaps?

I'm cool either way. With the newborn I'm gonna be up weird hours anyway making picks all over the place. Or I'd be good knocking it quick and having less to worry about.
 
135Boldwin
      ID: 591522719
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 21:05 		Yes, that was from football. Guys just flatout sayin they would never do another slowdraft. Tho I think it went rather well once it got going.
 
136Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 21:20 		I'm leaving Sunday for points east, Grand Junction, then Colorado Springs before heading home probably Wednesday, maybe Thursday. Only my Iphone, so my participation during that time will be very spotty.
 
137Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 22:10 		as much as i prefer a live draft, i'm not sure it's feasible in this league.

work schedules, kid schedules, east coast/west coast, and so on...

 
138Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 22:12 		one of the problems in football was that it was a draft without a clock, and that's infuriating.

draft time lets you set queues, lets you have timed picks, and lets you turn off the clock during off hours.

i think we go with 4 hours between picks, and reduce to 2 if it drags.

clock turns off at midnight eastern and back on at 9 am eastern.
 
139PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 22:53 		I'm all for that type of draft/clock.
 
140GO
      ID: 300542419
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 22:54 		I agree a reasonable clock on Draftime where ques can be left and emails are sent when you are up is a solid combination of moving it along at a solid pace while not all being crammed into an hour.
 
141Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 01:08 		Can we set some dates then, or are we still missing managers?
 
142Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 01:16 		we're still short a manager. we needed to replace three.

we have one that is a definite in WG, and a second that i think is a strong candidate.

we still need a third.
 
143Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 10:45
If it's going to be a fast draft I would request an early to late morning. (ECT) When it's noon east coast, it's 9 PM here for example so doing anything that starts much later then 1PM would be difficult for me.

 
144Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 10:55 		NC - for some of the reasons you listed in 143, i don't see a fast draft happening.

i think a *timed* draft on draft time will easily take care of things. it's not 2005 anymore. we have options.
 
145Tree
      ID: 311412812
      Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 13:41 		looks like we're about to have a third manager.

will post more shortly and get them moved over to this thread of intrigue.
 
146Tree
      ID: 311412812
      Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 15:37 		WG
Bean
Vampire Weekend

i figure we'll go to random.org and then have them guess a number - closest gets first pick of teams, and so on.

i'll post the rosters after VW and Bean chime in over here.
 
148 Jseth333
      Dude
      ID: 24100310
      Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 15:50 		VampireWeekend ready to go...thanks for the invite...
 
149 Bean
      ID: 49934911
      Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 16:53 		Me too...thx for invite
 
150Boldwin
      ID: 261462818
      Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 19:54 		That was quick, do we have all teams filled then?
 
151Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 22:47 		Welcome, you three! I'm sure you will kick my butt.
 
152Boldwin
      ID: 4824216
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 08:08 		It's gonna be a trip, you three. You aint seen nothing like this league before.
 
153Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 09:02 		baldwin, check your email...during this process, it's important you pay attention to it. i sent you something yesterday.
 
154PuNk42AE
      ID: 036635522
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 11:26 		Any Prelim dates for Keepers and Drafts?
 
155Tree
      ID: 53234110
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 11:34 		my first step is to get the teams assigned. i've send Baldwin a random number via his email, and as soon as he confirms he has it, i'm going to ask the new owners to email me.

closest to the number gets first choice, second closest second choice, and so on.

as soon as that is done, keeper and draft dates to be announced, but i'm thinking the 8th for keepers and the draft starting the following Monday.
 
156Bean
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 15:07 		Would it be possible to look at the three rosters now while we are waiting for this random number?

Also, can we look at a charter? Would be nice to know what stats the 5X5 represent at least. If there is no charter, I have one for a hoops keeper league I am running that can be plaigerized.
 
157GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 15:11 		Bean - I have been working on a league constitution as I told the old guard here it would be nice to offer to the new guys... just haven't been at work to post which is where i have it. It was a battle for me in my first couple years to truly understand everything so I hope this gets you up and running a bit quicker.

Maybe once the season starts we can start a new thread with the rules as the opening post so that it never gets hidden.
 
158GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 15:49 		here is a draft of current rules, which will be changed pending these votes I'm also about to post...
 
159GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 15:50 		Rule Changes for 2013
An additional Bench spot will be added.
Commishes - Kafenatid will need an additional round of picks.

Waiver Time - Cut from 2-day to 1-day waiver period.
 
160GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 15:51 		The Poli Baseball League Constitution
Yahoo Baseball
7 keepers; No more than 3 prospect keepers
Next Day Transactions - Daily/Tomorrow
Waivers - Continual Rolling List - 1 day waiver period
Trade Review - League Votes
Supplemental draft picks may be traded

Scoring Settings
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util 
SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL
Max IP - 1250
Batters Categories: Runs (R), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases (SB), Batting Average (AVG)
Pitchers Categories: Wins (W), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average (ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)

MLB Draft
Draft Utility - Draftime
Draft Eligibility - Must be in Yahoo database and not someone elses prospect
No time limit initially, unless deemed necessary

Prospect Draft & Rules
Under 300 AB's or 125 IP to be draft eligible
You can retain up to 3 prospect eligible players from one season to next
There are 5 rounds in the prospect draft - minus a pick for each prospect you carry over.
To be conducted immediately after the supplemental draft
Any player at any level (as long as they are under limits) can be drafted as prospect. College, International, Little League etc.

Callup rules - Old/New system
**Old Rules - Those drafted under the "old rules" can only be called up one time
New Rules - Those drafted under "new rules" can be called up and sent down without penalty until they meet the threshold.

Prospects may be called up in-season and can be sent back and forth to prospect list until they meet the prospect thresholds.
If you drop them after they meet the threshold, any team is eligible to add them.
If they reach the threshold while not on the active roster you must call them up within 7 days or lose their rights
If a prospect reaches the limit within 7 days or regular season end they can only be kept as a regular keeper.
Prospect rights may be traded. You can never have more than 5 at any time.
Prospect picks may be traded as long as receiving team has enough spots for the draft pick.

Poli League Trophy Case
2008 Biliruben
2009 Tree
2010 Biliruben
2011 nerveclinic
2012 Great One
 
161GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 15:52 		Items Up for Vote - 2013 Preseason
Using nerve's suggestion in #42 as guideline, voting procedures are now... A vote will open for 2 weeks, majority of those who vote will decide the vote.

Maybe commishes could email this to the group? so they are aware?

1. Push Out the Trade Deadline?
A) Leave at current 8/18 (approx each season 2 weeks left in August)
B) Move out a couple weeks to closest Sunday to end of August (this year would be Sunday 9/1).

2. Prospect Ownership Limits
A) Owners may never have more than 5 prospects at any time
B) Owners can have as many prospects as they want throughout the year, provided you get down to 3 or less at the time of the prospect draft

3. Eliminate Old/New Prospect Callup Rules
Only recently drafted prospects have been eligible to be called up to main roster without losing prospect eligibility. Those under the old rules are marked with Prospect** which means once they are called up they lose all prospect eligibility rights.

This proposal eliminates the dual set of rules, making tracking simpler and letting those with long term prospects quit being penalized because they are stuck under the old rules.

A) Continue with dual Old/New prospect call-up rules.
B) Phase out 2 sets of rules for prospects. All prospects eligible to be called up and used as long as they are prospect eligible.
 
162GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 15:53 		GO's Votes
1. Push Out the Trade Deadline?
B) Move out a couple weeks to closest Sunday to end of August (this year would be Sunday 9/1).

2. Prospect Ownership Limits
B) Owners can have as many prospects as they want throughout the year, provided you get down to 3 or less at the time of the prospect draft

3. Eliminate Old/New Prospect Callup Rules
B) Phase out 2 sets of rules for prospects. All prospects eligible to be called up and used as long as they are prospect eligible.
 
163Bean
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 17:10 		Thanks GO; the prospect rules as stated and the discussion I have seen above have left me a little confused.If I read it right, you can game the prospect draft by drafting your prospect during late rounds of the supplemental draft. In effect, you increase the number of keepers you have by the number of guys you promote through the draft.So, lets say I get B7s team, then I could promote/draft Gose, Rizzo, Moore and Parker as my last four picks, effectively giving me 11 keepers this year. I would then get 4 picks in the prospect draft. Do I have that right?Also, who monitors the in season active roster thresholds for the prospects? In other words, if I have a guy on my prospect roster who today goes over 300 ABs, do I get notified that I now have 7 days left, or am I just left to whine when someone picks him up following the 7 day grace period?If I read it right and if the prospect list in 79 above is correct, then Mike Trout is now a FA and Baldwin no longer has rights to him.I know Baldwin would not let that happen, so what am I missing?
 
164biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 17:13 		No, you have it right. I railed against it for years, but have succumbed. I'll even probably use it for Segura this year. Maybe.
 
165Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 17:22 		In effect, you increase the number of keepers you have by the number of guys you promote through the draft.So, lets say I get B7s team, then I could promote/draft Gose, Rizzo, Moore and Parker as my last four picks, effectively giving me 11 keepers this year. I would then get 4 picks in the prospect draft. Do I have that right?

yes, you have this right, to a certain extent. the max you could promote into the main draft and increase your "keepers" is 3, since you can only keep 3 prospects of your five.

that being said, i have always been a big fan of this, because it allows for some creativity and actual use of your prospects.

i would be very disappointed if this changed.

If I read it right and if the prospect list in 79 above is correct, then Mike Trout is now a FA and Baldwin no longer has rights to him.

this is the easy part. that list doesn't reflect prospects who were called up during the season and kept on the roster because they passed the threshold.

Baldwin kept Trout on his roster.

In other words, if I have a guy on my prospect roster who today goes over 300 ABs, do I get notified that I now have 7 days left, or am I just left to whine when someone picks him up following the 7 day grace period?

this is true.

and it's a rule i probably once liked, but now can't stand. i'd be all for this being changed.

i'd much rather it be simplified where the prospect remains yours all season, and when it's time to name keepers, you have to decide if he's a keeper, or you're letting him go.

 
166Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 18:07 		if someone wants to post the rosters, please do. i'm taking my mom out for her birthday tonight, so probably won't be around until later..
 
168Boldwin
      ID: 58251117
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 18:55 		Tree

Yes I read it. I am baffled why you need my response to the announcement you are going to use a randomizer. Good idea. So do it.
 
169Boldwin
      ID: 58251117
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 19:10 		Also, I think you need to find a new randomizer site. That one looks defunct.
 
170Boldwin
      ID: 58251117
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 20:27 		Gotta start the season with a keeper, Granderson out, broken arm. Ouch.
 
171GO
      ID: 300542419
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 21:36 		You could do what we do in RWF... assign a batch of numbers to each. i.e. Bean 1-33, jseth 34-66, WG 67-99. (Shuffle it up if you are gonna do it). Send that list to Boldwin.
Then have someone random post a series of random numbers and match it up. i.e. I write 55,44,11,27,4,83,49,31,99,69 -- and then go in order.

Team 1 -- 55 means jseth
Team 2 -- Throw out 44 as jseth already had a team.
Team 2 draw 2 -- 11 goes to Bean
Team 3 goes to WG by default
 
172Bobo
      ID: 52258120
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 21:58 		Going under the pretense that the post in 161 is for consumption and votes from all:

1. Push Out the Trade Deadline?

B) Move out a couple weeks to closest Sunday to end of August (this year would be Sunday 9/1).

2. Prospect Ownership Limits

B) Owners can have as many prospects as they want throughout the year, provided you get down to 3 or less at the time of the prospect draft

3. Eliminate Old/New Prospect Callup Rules

B) Phase out 2 sets of rules for prospects. All prospects eligible to be called up and used as long as they are prospect eligible.
 
173GO
      ID: 300542419
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 22:00 		YES... everyone please vote on 161. Thanks for participating.
 
174Bean
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 22:59 		1. Push Out the Trade Deadline?
A) Leave at current 8/18

2. Prospect Ownership Limits
A) Owners may never have more than 5 prospects at any time

3. Eliminate Old/New Prospect Callup Rules
B) Phase out 2 sets of rules for prospects.
 
175Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 00:46 		voting on 161.

1. Push Out the Trade Deadline?

B) Move out a couple weeks to closest Sunday to end of August (this year would be Sunday 9/1).

2. Prospect Ownership Limits

B) Owners can have as many prospects as they want throughout the year, provided you get down to 3 or less at the time of the prospect draft

3. Eliminate Old/New Prospect Callup Rules

B) Phase out 2 sets of rules for prospects. All prospects eligible to be called up and used as long as they are prospect eligible.
 
176Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 00:52 		1. B
2. A
3. B
 
177Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 01:54
1) A
2) A
3) B

 
178Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 02:00

For # 2 are you meaning as many prospects if acquired in a trade? Otherwise how wold anyone get more then 5?

 
179biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 02:02 		ABA
 
180GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 06:23 		nerve - yes, acquiring extra prospects via trade would be an extra way for rebuilding teams to stockpile assets and not be capped at the 5. of course they would still need to adjust down at prospect draft time... but it would just make trading and acquisition of prospects for them a bit simpler (not having to free up a spot to make trade).
 
181Tree
      ID: 3222128
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 09:21 		random drawing for teams has been completed. i sent the results to Baldwin for confirmation.

1. Vampire Weekend

2. Bean

3. WG

really need someone else to get those teams posted on here...
 
182biliruben
      ID: 21841115
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 09:44 		The 3 minute version...

MBJ = Forlorn Hopes

Jay Bruce 141/560 89 34 99 9 .252
Miguel Cabrera 205/622 109 44 139 4 .330
Alcides Escobar 177/605 68 5 52 35 .293
Alex Gordon 189/642 93 14 72 10 .294
Josh Hamilton 160/562 103 43 128 7 .285
Russell Martin 89/422 50 21 53 6 .211
Mike Moustakas 136/563 69 20 73 5 .242
Juan Pierre 121/394 59 1 25 37 .307
Ben Revere 150/511 70 0 32 40 .294
Ichiro Suzuki 178/629 77 9 55 29 .283
Rickie Weeks 135/588 85 21 63 16 .230

Pitching
PlayerIPW

SV

K

ERA

WHIP
Homer Bailey 208.0 13 0 168 3.68 1.24
Chad Billingsley 149.2 10 0 128 3.55 1.29
Jonathan Broxton 58.0 4 27 45 2.48 1.26
Johnny Cueto 217.0 19 0 170 2.78 1.17
Jim Henderson 30.2 1 3 45 3.52 1.27
Josh Johnson 191.1 8 0 165 3.81 1.28
Joe Kelly 107.0 5 0 75 3.53 1.38
Brandon League 72.0 2 15 54 3.13 1.36
Sean Marshall 61.0 5 9 74 2.51 1.16
Joe Nathan 64.1 3 37 78 2.80 1.06
Jeff Samardzija
--------------------------------------------

Coldwater Coyotes

Norichika Aoki 150/520 81 10 50 30 .288
Michael Cuddyer 93/358 53 16 58 8 .260
Chris Davis 139/515 75 33 85 2 .270
Danny Espinosa 147/594 82 17 56 20 .247
Adam Jones 186/648 103 32 82 16 .287
Jason Kubel 128/506 75 30 90 1 .253
Daniel Murphy 166/571 62 6 65 10 .291
Buster Posey 178/530 78 24 103 1 .336
Hanley Ramírez 155/604 79 24 92 21 .257
Álex Rodríguez 126/463 74 18 57 13 .272
Chase Utley 77/301 48 11 45 11 .256
Delmon Young 153/574 54 18 74 0 .267

Pitching
Player

IP

W

SV

K

ERA

WHIP
Matt Capps 29.1 1 14 18 3.68 1.09
Mike Fiers 127.2 9 0 135 3.74 1.26
Gavin Floyd 168.0 12 0 144 4.29 1.36
Cole Hamels 215.1 17 0 216 3.05 1.12
Félix Hernández 232.0 13 0 223 3.06 1.14
Wilton López 66.1 6 10 54 2.17 1.04
Zach McAllister 125.1 6 0 110 4.24 1.36
Jake Peavy 219.0 11 0 194 3.37 1.10
Erasmo Ramírez 59.0 1 0 48 3.36 1.00
Jon Rauch 57.2 3 4 42 3.59 0.99

-----------------------------------

Building 7:

José Bautista 80/332 64 27 65 5 .241
Nelson Cruz 152/585 86 24 90 8 .260
Rajai Davis 115/447 64 8 43 46 .257
Aaron Hill 184/609 93 26 85 14 .302
Chipper Jones 111/387 58 14 62 1 .287
Paul Konerko 159/533 66 26 75 0 .298
Evan Longoria 79/273 39 17 55 2 .289
Kendrys Morales 132/484 61 22 73 0 .273
Anthony Rizzo 96/337 44 15 48 3 .285
Jimmy Rollins 158/632 102 23 68 30 .250
Carlos Ruiz 121/372 56 16 68 4 .325
Giancarlo Stanton 130/449 75 37 86 6 .290

Pitching
Player

IP

W

SV

K

ERA

WHIP
Andrew Bailey 15.1 1 6 14 7.04 1.89
Brandon Beachy 81.0 5 0 68 2.00 0.96
Madison Bumgarner 208.1 16 0 191 3.37 1.11
Ryan Dempster 173.0 12 0 153 3.38 1.20
Yovani Gallardo 204.0 16 0 204 3.66 1.30
Édgar González 25.0 3 0 18 5.04 1.24
Joel Hanrahan 59.2 5 36 67 2.72 1.27
Tim Hudson 179.0 16 0 102 3.62 1.21
David Huff 26.2 3 0 19 3.38 1.31
Cory Luebke 31.0 3 0 23 2.61 1.16
Matt Moore 177.1 11 0 175 3.81 1.35
Travis Wood 156.0 6 0 119 4.27 1.20
 
183Tree
      ID: 3621129
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 10:11 		thank you bili.
 
184PuNk42AE
      ID: 036635522
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 10:14 		1. A
2. A
3. B
 
185Tree
      ID: 3621129
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 10:18 		i'm at work and can't get to our league page at the moment.

can someone please post last year's standings for the newcomers? thanks.
 
186biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 10:23 		Rank

Team

R

HR

RBI

SB

AVG

W

SV

K

ERA

WHIP

Total
1. GObama 11 11 12 13 8 14 13 13 13 10 118
2. ++ungood 13.5 12 13 11.5 14 11 14 11 9 7 116
3. Dubai Camel Jockeys 13.5 14 14 6 13 10 11 9 7 9 106.5
4. Vampirez 10 3 4 11.5 12 9 12 8 14 14 97.5
5. Building 7 12 13 11 7 5 13 10 12 8 5 96
6. Coldwater Coyotes 3 10 8 4 10 7 8 6 10 11 77
7. Sweet N Sour Forever 8 5 9 10 9 8 6 14 3 4 76
8. Panchovians 4.5 6 2 8 3 12 7 7 12 13 74.5
9. bili-cruisin' 9 4 5 14 6 3.5 9 4 4 8 66.5
10. Tax Errors 4.5 7 10 3 7 6 3 10 6 6 62.5
11. Forlorn Hopes 7 9 6 9 4 2 5 5 5 3 55
12. Dust Storm Troopers 1 1 1 1 11 1 4 1 11 12 44
13. Romneys 6 8 7 5 2 5 1 3 1 1 39
14. Kings of Swing 2 2 3 2 1 3.5 2 2 2 2 21.5
Overall Stats

Batting

Pitching
Rank

Team

Total GP

R

HR

RBI

SB

AVG

IP

W

SV

K

ERA

WHIP
1. GObama 1606 850 227 840 156 .270 1266.0 91 122 1193 3.19 1.22*
2. ++ungood 1561 904 241 857 151 .285 1266.0 81 128 1149 3.62 1.23*
3. Dubai Camel Jockeys 1575 904 265 910 110 .282 1262.2 80 107 1123 3.79 1.22*
4. Vampirez 1538 839 187 718 151 .275 1178.0 78 108 1116 3.12 1.14
5. Building 7 1593 858 257 826 113 .267 1258.0 86 97 1170 3.65 1.26
6. Coldwater Coyotes 1546 786 221 787 102 .271* 1142.2 75 88 1080 3.47 1.21
7. Sweet N Sour Forever 1563 808 195 796 148 .271* 1283.0 77 67 1206 4.21 1.30
8. Panchovians 1535 789 196 715 120 .265* 1256.2 82 87 1090 3.31 1.20*
9. bili-cruisin' 1562 826 193 726 177 .268* 1069.0 63 96 1003 3.91 1.22*
10. Tax Errors 1517 789 210 800 98 .268* 1227.1 70 43 1133 3.81 1.23*
11. Forlorn Hopes 1530 797 214 759 137 .265* 1179.0 61 65 1038 3.84 1.31
12. Dust Storm Troopers 1482 663 158 692 81 .272 872.2 53 45 830 3.41 1.20*
13. Romneys 1512 796 211 778 103 .260 1131.2 69 15 890 4.38 1.35
14. Kings of Swing 1466 667 179 717 84 .259 1075.1 63 35 845 4.35 1.33

 
187Bean
      ID: 49934911
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 11:19 		thanks for the active roster lists; how about prospects?
 
188Bean
      ID: 49934911
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 11:22 		I assume the supplemental and prospect drafts are reverse order of finish, and non serpentine.

Is there a record of which picks were traded?
 
189Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 11:27 		Yes, reverse order. Post 79 for prospects.
 
190Bean
      ID: 49934911
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 13:35 		It appears that Rizzo on B7 was promoted. Did he get replaced?
 
191Bean
      ID: 49934911
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 13:39 		And Matt Moore too
 
192PuNk42AE
      ID: 036635522
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 13:46 		They won't get replaced unless there was a trade involved. The Prospect draft is right after the normal draft and you draft so you have 5 prospects. After that if you call them up you could start the next season at 0 before even declaring keepers.
 
193Bean
      ID: 49934911
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 14:17 		Jarrod Parker on B7 had 181 IP last year, is he longer on B7 roster then?
 
194Tree
      ID: 3621129
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 14:42 		trades with draft picks that are on the yahoo site:

Romneys traded Adam Wainwright and a 7th round pick
to
Dubai Camel Jockeys for Asdrubal Cabrera and a 5th round pick.

Tax traded Matt Kemp and a 21st rounder
to
Bili for Ryan Braun and a 3rd rounder

i don't think there were any other draft pick trades.
 
195Tree
      ID: 3621129
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 14:42 		and now that everyone is aboard, here's my off season trading block:

also, im going to be looking to make some trades.

among those available are:

Brett Lawrie
Mark Teixeira
Joe Mauer
Jesus Montero
R.A. Dickey

and prospect Anthony Rendon

looking for draft picks, or 2-for-1 or 3-for-2 deals.
 
196 Jseth333
      ID: 24100310
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 15:46 		So I am clear...someone like Rizzo can't be held as a prospect, he would have to be one of the 7 keepers?
 
197Tree
      ID: 2510132311
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 16:09 		Correct.
 
198Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 16:15 		If you are looking for a ss, I got a few.
 
199jseth333
      ID: 507151215
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 17:03 		Which team in 79 is MJD's? MJD's prospects?
 
200Bean
      ID: 49934911
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 17:33 		I guessed that MBJ's team is Myboyjack
 
202Jseth333
      ID: 24100310
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 19:38 		VampireWeekend selects B7
 
203Bean
      ID: 49934911
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 19:48 		I'll take Coldwater Coyotes
 
204Tree
      ID: 3222128
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 20:27 		everyone has been invited - including Jorge, who i've just re-invited.
 
205Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 23:39 		Tree there is a draft pick trade in this thread

Austin Jackson to Bo Bo for his 3rd round pick (going to Nerveclinic) and he also gets Nerve's 2nd to last round pick.

 
206Boldwin
      ID: 252530
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 01:05 		I'll figure out how to get the kafenatid running and notices sent to new managers tomorrow. I hate reading these messages, 'cannot be reset after submitting'.
 
207 nerveclinic
      ID: 205418
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 11:35 		Last chance offer

A lot of the lower teams will never get someone this good in the rounds mentioned...

Players for picks available

Zach Grienke for 1st round

Wainwright for 1st round

Jason Kipnis for 2nd round (major keeper if I didn't have Cano)

Ian Desmond 3rd round

Alex Rios 4th round

Matt Weiters 4th round

Most of these will not be dropped so don't assume you have a shot at them if you don't deal. I am just listing who I will let go at the right price.

use the email I linked to here.


 
208nerveclinic
      ID: 205418
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 11:36
When do we need to announce keepers?

Welcome aboard to the new managers, strap in for a strange ride.

 
209WG
      ID: 3811221423
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 12:05 		Hello everyone, thanks for letting me join. Looking forward to playing in another competitive league. Definitely interested in making some moves pre-draft so will be looking to send out emails/offers shortly.
 
210Bean
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 12:32 		207 The implication here is that these six players you are offering are all fighting for the last two spots on your roster. So, your comment of most will not be dropped must be false.

You have Cano, Beltre, Elsbury, Holliday and Gonzalez who are obvious keepers, and you havent bothered to list Sherzer and Latos.

If any of us were to take you up your offer, essentially we are giving two players for the one you are offering, our pick and our current #7 player.

You are asking far too much and giving up very little. If this list were for two rounds later it might be worth considering.
 
211 Tree
      ID: 3222128
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 13:17 		and on that note.

these are the guys i've got up for picks or 2-for-1 or whatever. listening to all offers.

Brett Lawrie
Mark Teixeira
Joe Mauer
Jesus Montero
R.A. Dickey

and prospect Anthony Rendon.
 
212Boldwin
      ID: 252530
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 14:42 		Curtis Granderson and a fourth for a high first rounder.

Granderson has a broken right arm, hit by a pitch and will be out for the next 9 weeks. But if you are building for the future, there's 40 HR on the table.
 
213Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 15:10
Bean

let me explain

Scherzer and Latos? Not even considering keeping nor do I expect anyone to give up anything for them. I would let go for 6th 7th 8th round pick so you are right I didn't mention.


I am keeping

Cano
Gonzalez
Beltre
Holiday
Ellsbury
Wainwright
Grienke

most likely

...Maybe Kipnis instead


If any of us were to take you up your offer, essentially we are giving two players for the one you are offering, our pick and our current #7 player

The person trading wouldn't be giving up two because I am assuming, without looking, there are multiple teams that haven't got 7 players who are worth keeping?

So if a team can drop one player, who is not worth keeping and keep lets say take Greinke for what is essentially a 7th round pick, when he is ranked number 40 overall by Rotowire as a random example on their cheat sheet. They are getting essentially a late third 3-4 round pick, for a 7th round pick and it's only worth doing if the player they are not keeping, is a 5th, 6th, 7th round pick at best.

Now if no one takes Greinke, I will keep him, which means the #40 player, according to Rotowire, will not be available in the 7th round. I am only giving up a player, who I would otherwise keep, if I can get a 7th round pick, because then I can replace him with someone like Kipinis.

So in my opinion, the team making the trade, assuming they have a crap player to drop, is getting a great deal. It is a win win for both teams making the trade, assuming, the team giving up the first round pick (essentially a 7th round pick) doesn't already have 7 solid keepers. If he does, you are right, no reason to make the trade.

Does that make more sense now?

And if you are so impressed with either Scherzer or Latos, I will give you either for a 7th round pick, for my 3rd to last round pick.

It's not rocket science.


 
214Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 15:15
Granderson has a broken right arm, hit by a pitch and will be out for the next 9 weeks. But if you are building for the future, there's 40 HR on the table.

True but unfortunately he is soon to be 32 years old with a .232 BA last year... just a step or two away from being Adam Dunn. who I will obviously not be keeping.

;)




 
215Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 15:24

Bean: So, your comment of most will not be dropped must be false.

That is correct, if I don't make any trades, at most keeping 3 of the 6, but, what I meant was depending on whether two or three get traded for picks in which case, most will not be dropped.

For example. If I trade Grienke and Kipinis, I keep wainwright and ian desmond, ...and only rios and weiter go into the draft.

Therefore

the comment

"Most will not be dropped" would be factual. Just depends what happens with trades.


Did I ever tell you my mother wanted me to be lawyer?


 
216Tree
      ID: 3222128
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 15:25 		NC - his point was that of the 7 guys you listed (8 including Kipnis):

Cano
Gonzalez
Beltre
Holiday
Ellsbury
Wainwright
Grienke
Kipnis

you have 3 guys you want high draft picks for (and 4, including whichever of the 8 above you don't keep)

that is essentially what bean said.
 
217WG
      ID: 3811221423
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 15:26 		nerve, sent you an email
 
218Boldwin
      ID: 252530
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 15:30 		Nerve

Seriously you are trying to sell the concept that a guy in the middle of the Yankee's batting order who just got done hitting 102R 43HR 106RBI 10SB isn't worth an eighth round pick cause he's 32 yr old and had a bad year's BA? [7 keepers]

All's fair and all but c'mon, you can't be serious. Compared to who that you are offering? Frankly someone better snag him before I change my mind.

If I wasn't playing for the win this year...
 
219Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 15:37
(and 4, including whichever of the 8 above you don't keep)

that's only true if I don't make any trades, for each trade made the number I would end up keeping of the 4 would be increasing

THAT was my point... again not rocket science.

 
220Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 15:44
Seriously you are trying to sell the concept that...

I will try to sell any concept that can divert trades away from your aging, washed up BA challenged gimp for one of my shiny new models, yes sir I am.



 
221Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 15:59

Trade announcement

Scherzer and Latos to Forlorn for a 5th round pick, and my last pick in the draft.

 
222 WG
      ID: 3811221423
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 16:06 		confirmed

Anyone want Cueto or Josh Johnson for a mid to late pick?
 
223Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 16:11
Bladwin Compared to who that you are offering


My Rotowire cheat sheet was downloaded before Grandrson was injured...


Granderson 31 (with a broken arm)

espn keeper ranking 58

"What I am offering"


Zach Grienke 40 (no broken arm)

espn keeper 41



 
224 WG
      ID: 3811221423
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 16:57 		Am low on keepers, open to moving Josh Hamilton in a 1 for 2 hitters, or Hamilton and Cueto/Josh Johnson for 2 hitters.

Or maybe even Miguel Cabrera in a 1 for 2 if I can get back a young stud with another keeper. Open to discussion.
 
225Bean
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 19:03 		Nerve you dont have to explain yourself to me, I understand it all COMPLETELY. I dont have a problem with you asking for picks for guys you are gonna drop anyway. I do have a problem with the picks you are asking for thats all.

Why I didnt just bite my lip was that I thought it was important that new owners understand EXACTLY what the deal means and why high draft picks are far more valuable than anyone's discards, no matter how good they are.

So, yes I am trying to cock block you, you dont need extra high picks, your team is good enough.
 
226Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 00:57

And not to go around in circles but I completely disagree with this statement...

high draft picks are far more valuable than anyone's discards,

depending on who a team drops, Greinke for example, could easily be more valuable then the teams discarded player and what is a 7th round pick in a 14 team league.

As far as your cock block. I expect no less and I will cock block wit the best of them. (ask Baldwin)

In fact my recent posts have been to un-cock block. (is that a word) your cock block.

Now I will stop as I have said "Cock" in one post far too many times.



 
227Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 01:06 		Am anxious to see what draft pick you get for Kipnis/Greinke/Wainwright when the drop list deadline hits.

When is that btw?

Its kinda funny to me that you are shopping Greinke and Wainwright here in a league I just joined, while I am shopping Wainwright and Greinke in a league you just joined. Lets see if either of us can move them.
 
228Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 05:07
Nope you told me Greinke wasn't available for my second first round pick in that league, I tried again offering for him today by email. My offer here is unconditional, any first round pick for Greinke.

in this league I will likely keep both of them. though that means I lose Kipnis who I hate to lose, sigh.

When is the drop list deadline anyway in this league? Since the March 1st deadline past have we made a new deadline?

 
229GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 08:57 		Voting Update
Currently have 5 sets of votes for the below. Please Vote if you haven't already.

1. Push Out the Trade Deadline?
A) Leave at current 8/18 (approx each season 2 weeks left in August)
B) Move out a couple weeks to closest Sunday to end of August (this year would be Sunday 9/1).

2. Prospect Ownership Limits
A) Owners may never have more than 5 prospects at any time
B) Owners can have as many prospects as they want throughout the year, provided you get down to 3 or less at the time of the prospect draft

3. Eliminate Old/New Prospect Callup Rules
Only recently drafted prospects have been eligible to be called up to main roster without losing prospect eligibility. Those under the old rules are marked with Prospect** which means once they are called up they lose all prospect eligibility rights.

This proposal eliminates the dual set of rules, making tracking simpler and letting those with long term prospects quit being penalized because they are stuck under the old rules.

A) Continue with dual Old/New prospect call-up rules.
B) Phase out 2 sets of rules for prospects. All prospects eligible to be called up and used as long as they are prospect eligible.
 
230GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 09:07 		Not sure how I won with this crap team.

GO's Keeper Situation
Tentative Keepers
Tulowitzki
D.Wright
Ian Kinsler
Encarnacion (1st Round Pick)
Verlander
Gio Gonzalez
Papelbon

For Sale, For Cheap
CJ Wilson - 6th Round
Napoli - 6th Round
Crawford - 8th Round
 
231Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 09:27

GO Crap team???

Tulo #1 ranked SS
Wright top 3 3rd base
Kinsler top 2-3 2nd base
Enacarnician solid 1B
Verlander top 2-3 SP
Gio top 15 SP


How is that "crap" in a 14 team league???


 
232GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 09:42 		I don't know how I won with my best player (Tulowitzki) playing very few games and Lester + Crawford being completely worthless keepers...
 
233Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 09:50 		GO thats a fantastic team and as long as you draft adequately there is no reason not to see you near the top of the standings again.

That said, if you dont like your keepers, I will trade my 7 for your 7 even up.
 
234GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 09:55 		Tulo, Wright, Edwin, Kinsler are all up for trade. Looking for younger guys with upside, prospects and/or draft picks if I move the established guy.
 
235GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 15:56 		Based on the votes so far I can call (what am I, Fox News?!) the third vote. We will be phasing out the 2 sets of prospect rules. Hooray for democracy helping simplicity!

Other two votes are too early to call.
 
236Jseth333
      Dude
      ID: 24100310
      Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 16:54 		Nelson Cruz anyone?
 
237C1-NRB
      ID: 451120913
      Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 17:16 		1. Push Out the Trade Deadline?
A) Leave at current 8/18 (approx each season 2 weeks left in August)
B) Move out a couple weeks to closest Sunday to end of August (this year would be Sunday 9/1).

2. Prospect Ownership Limits
A) Owners may never have more than 5 prospects at any time
B) Owners can have as many prospects as they want throughout the year, provided you get down to 3 or less at the time of the prospect draft

3. Eliminate Old/New Prospect Callup Rules
Only recently drafted prospects have been eligible to be called up to main roster without losing prospect eligibility. Those under the old rules are marked with Prospect** which means once they are called up they lose all prospect eligibility rights.

This proposal eliminates the dual set of rules, making tracking simpler and letting those with long term prospects quit being penalized because they are stuck under the old rules.

A) Continue with dual Old/New prospect call-up rules.
B) Phase out 2 sets of rules for prospects. All prospects eligible to be called up and used as long as they are prospect eligible.
 
238Boldwin
      ID: 7228416
      Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 17:44 		All this cock blocking has got to stop.
 
239Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 01:31

Let's be clear on the second rule.

A team may have more then 5 prospects but "only if acquired through trade". You cannot just go out and randomly add prospects to your team. So the only way to have more then the 5 in the draft is through trade.

The wording was not clear.

 
240Boldwin
      ID: 3621851
      Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 02:21 		1) B
2) B
3) B
 
241Boldwin
      ID: 3621851
      Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 02:28 		Boldwin's Tenative Keepers

Trout
Cargo
Curtis Granderson
Ryan Zimmerman
Billy Butler
Stephen Strasburg
Jordan Zimmermann

How do you lose with this combo? It wasn't pretty.
 
242Boldwin
      ID: 3621851
      Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 02:30 		Your entire pitching staff takes the season off a month early, that's how.
 
243Tree
      ID: 3222128
      Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 08:38 		Trout didn't play for the first month, Granderson missed 15 or so games, and Ryan Zimmerman is perpetually injured. that plays a role too.
 
244GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 09:45 		Yeah, a full season with those guys - Trout, Strasburg specifically - makes you a favorite for sure.
 
245GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 09:53 		Yeah - nerve - we'll have to expressly write that in the rules I suppose. You can go over 5 prospects acquired VIA TRADE throughout the year... but you gotta cut down to 3 or less for the draft.
 
246nerveclinic
      ID: 205418
      Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 09:54
Awesome looking line-up for a 14 team league Baldy. Here's hoping you completely screw up your draft picks...

 
247Bobo
      ID: 125510
      Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 11:05 		Are we encouraged/recommended to post our keepers here as well, once we've set them via Yahoo?
 
248GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 12:41 		I think we usually do, always want a couple places. The commishes will probably open up a thread dedicated to keepers.
 
249Tree
      ID: 12248513
      Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 15:07 		Curtis Granderson and a fourth for a high first rounder.

Granderson has a broken right arm, hit by a pitch and will be out for the next 9 weeks. But if you are building for the future, there's 40 HR on the table.

there's also a potential 50 game PED suspension on the table.

that likely nulls whatever hope there was of getting a 1st round pick in return for trading him. but if he's already going to be out 60 days with an injury, and they tack 50 games on top of that, is Granderson even a keeper anymore?
 
250Boldwin
      ID: 0210514
      Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 20:31 		I'm assuming the new managers aren't expecting to win it all in their first year, so I don't see how a suspension this year makes him a bad pickup.
 
251Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 22:21 		very poor assumption
 
252Tree
      ID: 3222128
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 01:48 		I'm assuming the new managers aren't expecting to win it all in their first year, so I don't see how a suspension this year makes him a bad pickup.

he's 31.

he'll be 32 before the season starts.

he'd never hit more than 30 homers in a season until he turned 30 years old, and suddenly, he's knocking 40 a season out of the park.

i'm not sure there's an abundance of players who's first time clearing 40 homers came after turning 30 - at least not without PEDs.

 
253Boldwin
      ID: 0210514
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 02:18 		You would think, listening to Tree, that you could snag all his 32 year old and older players on the cheap. Just try that tho, and you will find that his 32 year olds, unlike yours, are immortal vampires who sleep on a water bed filled with fountain-of-youth waters.
 
254Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 03:50 		I heard same rumor about Cano and Braun.

 
255Building 7
      Leader
      ID: 171572711
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 08:29 		very poor assumption

I like Mr. Bean's attitude. He should be a good addition to this league.

I think my old team could make a run at the title this year, also.
 
256Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 10:03 		C'mon get real. There are very few guys that are top homer hitters that dont use PEDs, its just a matter of geting caught. One exception? Jim Thome, he's too dumb to use.

Give it a few years, we will be talking about Trout and Harper in the same sentence as the word PED, right now its not clear if they are using or if they are both just LeBron-like freaks. Pujols and Miguel Cabrera...of course they are using. Melky Cabrera was certainly no surprise, and when Bautista gets busted, how many games will he get suspended for, seems 50 is the standard now. When they stop using they end up half the player they were before, usually takes a year or two to get the drugs out of their system...see Sosa, Mcguire, Manny and Arod.

So anyway, once a guy gets busted, his numbers are gonna go down soon, particularly power numbers. In the case of Granderson, his speed is already dropping off and his BA sucked last year.....dont take an accountant to add that up.
 
257PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 10:16 		50 is the standard because currently the 1st time is 50, 2nd is 100, 3rd is Lifetime. But they are working to make it stricter for 2014+.
 
258GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 10:27 		I agree that many of these guys have been sneaking by with HGH... so that ride might come to a halt very soon.
 
259Tree
      ID: 3222128
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 11:15 		You would think, listening to Tree, that you could snag all his 32 year old and older players on the cheap.

i have tried to move Pujols in the past. there was little interest. i'd love to move Teixeira, but i don't think the market is there.

i also think if you're trying to compare Granderson - he of two 40-home run seasons after the age of 30 - to guys like Pujols and Teixeira, who have more or less been models of consistency - you're completely clueless.

but the point is, you WANT to move Granderson and are asking a very steep price for an old guy with little history, who has a broken arm, and is facing serious PED accusations.

i don't want to move Pujols.

I like Mr. Bean's attitude. He should be a good addition to this league.

I think my old team could make a run at the title this year, also.


agreed on both counts.
 
260 WG
      ID: 3811221423
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 12:49 		Anyone wanna make a small, players only trade? Have Alex Gordon, Mike Moustakas, Rickie Weeks, Johnny Cueto, Josh Johnson. Need to keep 2 of them but already have keepers at the same positions... if anyone else is in the same position and wants to make a small swap, I can move any or all of those guys.
 
261taxman
      ID: 122169
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 13:26 		Vote:

opposite of Baldy
1) A
2) A
3) A


 
262Boldwin
      ID: 5125615
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 17:19 		The taxman always cancels me out, story of my life.
 
263Jseth33
      ID: 22231616
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 17:31 		Re: 255 and 259...you are greatly under-estimating my ability to manage down a team...much like how Obama greatly under-estimated the willingness of the GOP to accept the military cuts...see what I did there?
 
264Tree
      ID: 3022617
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 18:58 		Mark Teixeira is gonna be out 8 weeks.

he could be had fairly cheap, much cheaper than a guy who has averaged 34 homers, 93 runs, 110 RBIs, and a .279 average OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS should be had for.

his average has been down for the last few years, so i think of him more as a .250-.260 hitter these days, but his power numbers are remaining consistent.

he's probably got a few more years of 30+ homer seasons in him, and can certainly help someone.


i'd like a first round pick for him.

ok, kidding about that last part, but he's certainly available, and he's certainly available at a better price than i oughta be giving up a guy who was going to be a keeper for me this season.
 
265biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 20:32 		So there is no possible way I can keep 4 of my prospects unless I promote one and keep him as one of my 7 ML keepers, right? Even with the tricky rule, right?

 
266Tree
      ID: 3022617
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 20:45 		correct.
 
267biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 20:50 		In that case, Arenado (who has a chance at winning the job in Colorado with his dominant spring), Sano (who can perhaps be a 50 dinger dude), Franklin (who has mysteriously gained 30 pounds of muscle) and Segura (who is starting but you can bring up and down at will for the 1st half) are all available for mid to high round picks, depending.

Bogarts is the only one I would definitely keep.

Make me an offer if you don't have 3 solid prospects.
 
268Tree
      ID: 3022617
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 21:17 		i'm in the same boat with Anthony Rendon. wish we could keep more than 3.
 
269 biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 21:19 		My email.
 
270Boldwin
      ID: 11258617
      Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 02:36 		I wasn't underestimating anyone. It's unbelievable how many 9's and 10's you can score and still lose in this league. You need a perfect storm of a team.
 
271biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 05:47 		Also would consider a keeper for a prospect, but the keeper has to be a significant upgrade over Brandon Philips, young, with upside. And only eats non-processed food, craft beer and organic, kosher goat.
 
272 Bobo
      ID: 4921779
      Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 10:18 		My keepers:

Jason Heyward/OF
Austin Jackson/OF (via trade)
Paul Goldschmidt/1B
Pablo Sandoval/3B

Wade Miley/SP
Trevor Cahill/SP
Doug Fister/SP

In the event anyone is interested, I have Hunter Pence, Brian McCann, Cameron Maybin, Matt Garza, Clay Buchholz and Danny Hultzen available for trade.
 
273Bobo
      ID: 4921779
      Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 15:00 		Trade announcement:

Tree gets (and will confirm): Heyward & Goldschmidt

Bobo gets: Brett Lawrie, Jesus Montero & Joe Mauer

My (updated) keepers:

Austin Jackson/OF (via trade)
Joe Mauer/1B (via trade)
Brett Lawrie/3B (via trade)
Jesus Montero/Util (via trade)

Wade Miley/SP
Trevor Cahill/SP
Doug Fister/SP

In the event anyone is interested, I have Pablo Sandoval, Hunter Pence, Brian McCann, Cameron Maybin, Matt Garza, Clay Buchholz and Danny Hultzen (still) available for trade.
 
274Tree
      ID: 12228713
      Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 15:36 		trade confirmed.
 
275Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 17:52


What a joke

 
276Tree
      ID: 4822717
      Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 18:03 		in discussing the trade with a few other people and getting their thoughts, i predicted you'd whine about it.

it's too predictable.

one of the other owners i polled said, in regards to the deal, "I don't see why anyone would have a problem with that...

...to me Lawrie is the best player in the deal if i'm in a keeper league."
 
277 jseth333
      ID: 507151215
      Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 19:34 		Tentative Keepers

José Bautista
Evan Longoria
Anthony Rizzo
Giancarlo Stanton

Brandon Beachy
Madison Bumgarner
Matt Moore



Lots of good stuff available...Nelson Cruz, Aaron Hill, Joel Hanrahan, Kendrys Morales, Andrew Bailey, Yovani Gallardo


 
278WG
      ID: 3811221423
      Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 19:46 		TRADE

Bobo gets
Johnny Cueto

WG gets
Pablo Sandoval
 
279Bobo
      ID: 52258120
      Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 07:02 		Trade confirmed.

Swap Cueto in for Cahill as a keeper.
 
280Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 18:56 		Keeping with the spirit of the Political League, I have changed my team name to the Senators. A tip of the cap to the old Washington DC team, and her favorite son, Walter Johnson.
 
281Building 7
      Leader
      ID: 171572711
      Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 19:13 		My grandpa used to have Walter Johnson in a keeper league.
 
282C1-NRB
      ID: 52234922
      Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 23:34 		Did we decide on when Keepers need to be declared and when we're going to start the draft?

I'm on the road this week and have sporadic access.
 
283nerveclinic
      ID: 205418
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 03:53
Did we decide on when Keepers need to be declared and when we're going to start the draft?

I've asked this multiple times and no one has responded.

 
284Tree
      ID: 2510132311
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 04:24 		Baldwin - where are we with Draft time?
 
285Tree
      ID: 3222128
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 14:03 		well, in lieu of that - the last time i spoke with Baldwin he was afraid that entering new owners into Draft Time would some how delete our league history on Yahoo, so hopefully my explaining that there was no relation there impressed upon him enough to set it up.

in the meantime. HARD DEADLINE, because we have had more than enough time -

Please post keepers by 11:59 PM on Thursday 3/14/13 or they will be picked for you.

this gives Baldwin enough time to put the keepers in Draft Time so we can start the draft that weekend.
 
286Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 14:36 		My Keepers:

Buster Posey, C, SF
Chris Davis, 1B, BAL
Hanley Ramirez, SS, LAD
Adam Jones, OF, BAL
Cole Hammels, P, PHI
Felix Hernandez, P, SEA
Jake Peavy, P, CWS

My Prospect Keepers:

Will Myers, OF, TB
Zach Wheeler, P, NYM

 
287Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 14:48
I just made a new thread to post keepers.

 
288Nerveclinic
      ID: 410331010
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 15:25

in discussing the trade with a few other people and getting their thoughts, i predicted you'd whine about it.

Your imaginary playmates who are always "un-named"?

So if this were a math equation, the phrase "what a joke" = whining?

did it occur to you it might be a simple outward utterance of shock? A Guffaw if you will? Sort of like when you witness something and you put your hand to your mouth and gasp? Like if you were to witness a car crash? sometimes you can't contain the gasp.

the reason I said, "what a joke" (which was a commentary not a whine) is because one hour before this trade was posted, I offered Bobo, Matt Holiday and Zack Grienke and Ian Desmond for only Heyward, not Heyward AND Goldschmidt. I can only imagine what else I would have given up for both. Hint, a lot MORE then that even.

I also told him if he didn't like that offer was open to inserting different names.

one of the other owners i polled said, in regards to the deal, ...to me Lawrie is the best player in the deal if i'm in a keeper league."

Really, another "un-named owner", maybe because he is afraid that if he publicly stated that Lawrie is a better prospect then Heyward he knows most people would tell him he's a F'ing idiot?

Rotowire Heyward 27 Lawrie 60
ESPN Keeper ranks Heyward 14 Lawrie 34
ESPN dollar value Heyward $21 Lawrie $15
Rotowire Keeper list Heyward 23 Lawrie 61

anyone care to add from their own personal favorite cheat sheet?

So you know Tree, not sure who this "genius" is you are hiding from us, a savant obviously, because he is smarter then anyone I can find being paid to rate these two.

And if you just look at the lists above maybe it explains the joke better, since you assured us that Lawrie was the best prospect of the bunch (Oh wait twasn't you it was your un-named savant friend)

LMFAO

Anyway, Like I said, "what a joke"



 
289Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 16:07 		Your imaginary playmates who are always "un-named"?

they can speak for themselves. they were private discussions, and it's not my place to put them out there.

I offered Bobo, Matt Holiday and Zack Grienke and Ian Desmond

sounds like sour grapes to me.

my opinion on that? if i'm a team that is completely rebuilding, a team that was in last place by a large margin last season, i don't want a 33 year old Matt Holliday who's numbers have been fairly pedestrian for the past 5 seasons. i don't want a Matt Holiday who's average has dropped each of the last 5 years, and who hasn't hit 30 home runs since 2007. A guy like that doesn't help me if my team is a few years from contending.

Ian Desmond? no argument, he's a stud on the rise. and he's top 10 for his position - but there is no way to know just yet if his power numbers last season were the standard, or the exception - his strike out numbers didnt change, so there's reason to be skeptical. but, again, he's a solid enough player.

Greinke is another one - he's a strong pitcher, but he's turning 30 this year, so again, if i'm thinking i'm a few years from rebuilding, i don't want an aging outfielder with declining numbers, and a nearly-30 year old pitcher who may not help me in a couple years when i'm contending.

if i'm in complete rebuild mode and looking at contending a few years from now and not this season, i prefer three keepers in their 20s (two of whom are 23 and one of whom will turn 30 this season), to 3 guys who are significantly older.

but again, that's just personal opinion.

So you know Tree, not sure who this "genius" is you are hiding from us, a savant obviously, because he is smarter then anyone I can find being paid to rate these two.

if he wants to out himself, that's his business. personally, i'd call him one of the top 3 or 4 guys i've ever played any fantasy sport with, and have lost numerous leagues to him, sometimes on the last day of the season.
 
290GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 17:21 		For comparison I did just trade away Lawrie for Matt Cain in Dirty Dozen. So people in keeper leagues are really high on this guy long term -- and that fact that he's a 3B is a large part of that equation. To me, OF/1B's grow on trees. So I could see where Bobo wants to get the hard to fill spots like 3B filled in first with young guys vs. veterans like Holliday/Greinke at loaded positions.

As far as Lawrie vs. Heyward... both good players. I personally wouldn't go out of my way to acquire a keeper that only hits .260 in a AVG league. But thats just one of my focuses.
 
291Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 17:22

if i'm in complete rebuild mode and looking at contending a few years from now and not this season, i prefer three keepers in their 20s (you mean two as Mauer is turning 30 as you pointed out about Greinke)

Really, I do too, unfortunately he traded the best two (20 year olds) away so unfortunately the point you proved looks like the barral of a gun pointed at your head. As Usual.

 
292Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 17:41

GO you do understand that one trade was for Heyward ONLY, the other was for Heyward and Goldschmidt? Your discussing the players in the trade as if it was apples to apples.

Heyward for Greinke, and Holliday and Ian Desmond vs.

Heyward AND Goldshmidt (Goldshmidt who on many cheat sheets is rated higher then Lawrie) So lets wipe out Goldschmidt and Lawrie as even (Don't take my word for it look at cheat sheets as unbiased judge)

So then it's

Heyward for Greinke, and Holliday and Ian Desmond And he keeps the 23 year old stud Goldschmidt vs.

Heyward for Mauer and Montero NOW how does it look

So GO you think Lawrie is the better keeper over Heyward, because he plays third base? if you had to pick between the two?

If yes, I will have to offer you more trades in the future.

I mean it's laughable

 
293GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 17:43 		Not if I don't want 1B's and OF's and SP's since none of them suffer from positional scarcity. Hence the 1B/OF grow on trees statement.
 
294GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 17:46 		My trading strategy seems to win championships in multiple leagues, so its good enough I guess.

I wouldn't want anything to do with Heyward. And I don't like Goldschmidt much more for many of the same reasons. Bad AVG, strikeout guys at positions that are easy to fill.
 
295Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 19:19 		Yeah we know GO you always remind us that you won a championship, I wonder how many times in this thread alone?

 
296GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 19:22 		I'm really just reminding Boldwin for this one to reinforce this being a GObama world he's living in. I've got my other multiple Gurupie related baseball keeper league titles in Dirty Dozen and Lucky 13.

Haven't been in this league long enough to rack up multiple titles. Yet.
 
297Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 19:31

GO reminds us he won last year

Post 1

Post 20

Hinted at your greatness in 64 and 65

Post 77

Post 232

Post 294

So GO do you have insecurity issues?

Lol




 
298GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 22:20 		Insecure would be not trying to help the bottom teams have a better chance... much like our President I keep trying to help the little guy... in this instance I propose rules to make rebuilding simpler and helping them understand the rules quicker, getting them up to speed. I'm not worried about my own spot.
 
299Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 22:28 		and NC reminds us constantly about his sour grapes. like in the post above, where he complains about GO talking about his successes.

GO, WG, and other guys i talk to will tell you my feelings on positions scarcity.

i think the #5 ranked 3b on keeper lists is more important than the #9 OF.

i think two C's ranked in the top 7 of their position in keeper rankings outweigh a 1b ranked in the top 6 of his position.

nearly half (24) of the top 50 in ESPN's keeper rankings are either OF or 1b eligible. Position scarcity is huge, and a strong 3b who is 23 and a strong C who is 23 have tremendous value.

 
300PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 22:53 		Go on your Keepers list you have Mike Zunino as a Florida prospect, 1. There is no Florida, 2. He isn't with Miami, 3. I yawn at all of this back and forth.
 
301GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 23:05 		Thanks for the heads up. I didn't really know who the guy was. Sorry to confuse everyone.
 
302GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 23:09 		While you are at it, I suggest you mention to Bean that there is only 1 L in Wil Myers, just so nobody is confused there too.
 
303Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 00:06 		Just to be clear re Mike Zunino and prospects in general. Prospects need have no MLB team affiliation whatsoever when drafted - college and high school players who become eligible for the June draft for instance.
 
304GO
      ID: 210411222
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 09:03 		Yeah he is more a Florida Gator than a Seattle Mariner at this point... but that was obviously just copied from last draft prospect summary (that I kindly produced for the league).
 
305Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 11:54 		Once the prospect draft is over, can we do a FA pick up of a prospect during the season? Or, other than via trade, is there no other way to add prospects than the draft?
 
306Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 12:09

After the draft no prospect adds unless they are added to the Yahoo pool, then it is fine, but can only be added to line up not your prospect list.



 
307GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 12:09 		You can only declare/obtain a prospect via the prospect draft (or trade).
 
308GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 12:12 		And as Nerve says, if a player happens to be in the Yahoo database you could then add to your regular lineup during the season of course. But he won't have all the advantage of being a prospect.
 
309Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 12:24 		OK, thanks, just one more prospect question for clarification. If I trade an active roster player for a prospect, my prospects will now number 6 and my active roster will be 21 players. I assume I can now fill the 22nd slot with a FA, is that right?
 
310GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 12:43 		Currently we are capped at 5 prospects, although that's up for vote (somewhere above). If that were to pass you could go up to 6 or 7 or however many... but you will need to cut back down to 3 or less this time of year at prospect draft time.

I do think that will open up an extra bit of strategy, planning and flexibility as far trade value of prospects, so hopefully it passes.

FYI - The phasing out of old/new prospect call up rules has already passed. Other two are not as clear cut.
 
311Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 12:59 		Oh we are we still voting? Who the hell hasnt voted yet and why?
 
312GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 13:08 		I have votes from... GO, Bean, Tree, PV, Nerve, WG, Boldwin, C1, Taxman.
 
313Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 13:15 		AND, more importantly, you are missing votes from:

Biliruben
Sags
Bobo
Jseth333
PuNk42AE

 
314GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 13:23 		Still pending...

1. Push Out the Trade Deadline?
A) Leave at current 8/18 (approx each season 2 weeks left in August)
B) Move out a couple weeks to closest Sunday to end of August (this year would be Sunday 9/1).

2. Prospect Ownership Limits
A) Owners may never have more than 5 prospects at any time
B) Owners can have as many prospects as they want throughout the year, provided you get down to 3 or less at the time of the prospect draft
 
315Jseth33
      ID: 362131113
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 14:13 		B
A
 
316Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 15:26 		How dare you suggest I am remiss in my patriotic duty. Post 179 isn't an expression of my musical preferences.
 
317GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 15:33 		This is what I get when I read bili's votes... ABA

Maybe I was ignoring the biliruben cause my newborn was being tested for elevated biliruben at the time of voting.
 
318Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 15:41 		Yikes. Congrats on the newborn and here's hoping blood work improves!
 
319Bobo
      ID: 172571114
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 15:57 		Sorry, y'all...thought I had voted.

1. Push Out the Trade Deadline?

B) Move out a couple weeks to closest Sunday to end of August (this year would be Sunday 9/1).

2. Prospect Ownership Limits

B) Owners can have as many prospects as they want throughout the year, provided you get down to 3 or less at the time of the prospect draft
 
320GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 16:15 		Punk should see it, can someone ask sags to chime in?
 
321Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 16:16 		If anyone wants either Brandon Phillips or Jose Altuve, I'm only going to keep one of my second basemen. A 3rd rounder will get you either a solid 5 tool player or an up and coming young speedster with developing power.
 
322 Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 16:21 		Altuve will also likely be a huge boon to your batting average. If he can remember where he left his power stroke in the minors, he could be great.
 
323Tree
      ID: 132221115
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 16:22 		thanks for being our parliamentarian GO, and here's to hoping those levels for your kid normalize.
 
324Boldwin
      ID: 02321116
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 17:35 		Oh we are we still voting? Who the hell hasnt voted yet and why?

Sorry, this is our tradition. Only 1/2-2/3 of managers ever vote on rule changes. We just trust the judgement of those who care to lawyer up on the issue.
 
325GO
      ID: 300542419
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 17:40 		Just like the good ole USA... we trust the judgement of those who care enough to do whats right. Thats why our Prez was re-elected with over 50% of the vote.
 
326PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 17:49 		PuNk did in #184
 
327Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 18:35 		So, just Sags needs to vote and then this is settled? Or has majority rule already resolved it and Sags' vote isnt needed?
 
329C1-NRB
      ID: 0225120
      Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 01:28 		Post 326: Self edited oops. Posted keepers here; didn't see the other thread.
 
330nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 03:20

I will be making my list at the last minute on Thursday as I am waiting for more information about Greinke's elbow although I would say my keeper decision just got a lot easier.

 
331GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 09:44 		Proposal B has passed for the 1st and 3rd votes... trade deadline moving to end of August and old/new prospect rules to be phased out.

Need sags to vote on going over 5 prospects during the season or not.
 
332Tree
      ID: 29224129
      Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 10:24 		Baldwin - where are we with setting up Draft Time?

you wanna send the invites out so people can get set up and you can input keepers ASAP?
 
333 Sags
      ID: 57261119
      Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 12:51 		B) Move out a couple weeks to closest Sunday to end of August (this year would be Sunday 9/1).
B) Owners can have as many prospects as they want throughout the year, provided you get down to 3 or less at the time of the prospect draft
B) Phase out 2 sets of rules for prospects. All prospects eligible to be called up and used as long as they are prospect eligible.
 
334GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 13:54 		Thanks to all for voting, first time in league history we got full participation?

Voting Results
1. Proposal B passes 9-5 -- Trade deadline will be moved to closest Sunday to August 31st
2. Proposal B passes 8-6 -- Managers may have as many prospects as they want, provided they get down to 3 or less at time of prospect draft.
3. Proposal B is ahead 9-2 (called) - Old/New Prospect Rules phased out. All prospects can use the current callup system.
 
335GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 14:02 		Commishes -- once the draft is over we should start a regular season thread. In that thread I will post the completed league constitution as well as all the prospects so that they are in the 1st post and never get hidden.
 
336Tree
      ID: 192331213
      Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 14:33 		sounds good.
 
337Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 17:21 		From 285 Above, in case it got lost in the noise:

HARD DEADLINE, because we have had more than enough time

Please post keepers by 11:59 PM on Thursday 3/14/13 or they will be picked for you.

this gives Baldwin enough time to put the keepers in Draft Time so we can start the draft that weekend.
 
338Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 17:50 		Clarification please:

We can now have more than 5 prospects, and all prospects may move back and forth between active and prospect rosters as long as eligible. So, lets say I draft a player to my active roster, but he is prospect eligible.

May I demote him, freeing up an active roster spot for a new free agent, while increasing the number of prospects? Or is it the case, that once a player is drafted to the active roster, he may NEVER become a prospect again, unless drafted in a future prospect draft?
 
339Tree
      ID: 192331213
      Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 18:12 		no. he must be drafted as a prospect to be considered a prospect.
 
340C1-NRB
      ID: 52234922
      Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 19:05 		To clarify Tree's point:
Prospects must be drafted as prospects. The only way to have more than five prospects is to trade for prospect picks, meaning you can have 3 prospect keepers and still draft more than 2, depending on how many prospect draft picks you trade for; or in-season trades for prospects that increase your total to more than 5. If you trade for prospects during the season, they are eligble for up/down until they hit the limit.
 
341Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 22:00 		Thanks
 
342Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 01:07 		I don't think your point about drafting more then 5 prospects is correct. At the start of the year you can only have 5 prospects at the end of the prospect draft, the rule was to accommodate teams that traded for a prospect in the middle if he season, but you can still only draft 5 total (including the keepers)
 
343Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 11:42 		NC is correct.

Baldwin - could you please chime in and let us know where you are with Draft Time?
 
344nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 16:14
Baldwin is a bit MIA...


 
345C1-NRB
      ID: 52234922
      Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 16:29 		At the start of the year you can only have 5 prospects at the end of the prospect draft, the rule was to accommodate teams that traded for a prospect in the middle if he season, but you can still only draft 5 total (including the keepers)
My bad. This makes more sense. I over-interpreted the rule.
 
346Tree
      ID: 582291315
      Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 16:30 		i've noticed. excellent timing, of course.
 
347Tree
      ID: 102531318
      Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 21:59 		no response to emails either..
 
348nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 01:57
Umm this is actually concerning as Baldwin doesn't usually disappear like this. Anyone on FB with him?

 
349Boldwin
      ID: 29255144
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 05:55 		Extremely preoccupied with out of town visiting family. I'll try and get the keeper list and drafttime up sometime today.
 
350Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 06:34
I was actually genuinely concerned which in and of itself is rather strange. ;)

 
351nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 10:47

Keepers posted. Decided I didn't like what I have heard about Greinke's elbow and not worth the risk. Let someone else gamble...

 
352 Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 11:50 		I am keeping two second basemen. If someone wants to offer value at 3rd or outfield to round out their infield, I would listen.
 
353Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 12:59
I am keeping two second basemen. If someone wants to offer value at 3rd or outfield to round out their infield, I would listen.

I resemble that...

 
354Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 13:40 		Lets swap!
 
355Boldwin
      ID: 29255144
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 13:59 		Emails have been sent to managers [thru the yahoo team mail system] with the url they should use to enter their new teams. If you managed a Poliboard team there last year you shouldn't need to use the link, as you should already be registered for the draft there.
 
356Boldwin
      ID: 29255144
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 14:00 		That is for drafttime obviously. If you had a team there last year you should see the draft up, tho I don't know what else you could do there atm.
 
357GO
      ID: 120252515
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 14:14 		I am already showing as registered. Nice.
 
358 Jseth33
      ID: 412211413
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 14:21 		Not sure if there is a delay, but I don't have anything from draftime yet.
 
359Bobo
      ID: 362231413
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 14:23 		Re: 355

I could not login as my former account self, so I created a new login and password to access this site.

Once logged on, how can/do we enter our teams?
 
360Bobo
      ID: 362231413
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 14:25 		Strike part of my last post, I was able to link into the draft that has been created...
 
361 Wg
      ID: 552431321
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 15:49 		I have extra 3b and of... On the road so cant look up teams, but let me know if interested
 
362biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 20:14 		Panda.
 
363biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 20:14 		?
 
364Boldwin
      ID: 582381420
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 21:39 		Sent again thru regular email, Jseth33.
 
365Wg
      ID: 552431321
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 21:42 		Has the deadline passed? Tree and I agreed to one earlier but neither of us could post til now. Also, I have Sandoval.
 
366Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 22:05 		From 285 Above, in case it got lost in the noise:

HARD DEADLINE, because we have had more than enough time

Please post keepers by 11:59 PM on Thursday 3/14/13 or they will be picked for you.

this gives Baldwin enough time to put the keepers in Draft Time so we can start the draft that weekend.
 
367Wg
      ID: 552431321
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 22:20 		Trade

Wg gets Anthony Rendon (prospect), Tree's 9th round supp draft and 3rd round prospect draft

Tree gets Wg's 6th round supp draft and 2nd round prospect draft
 
368Tree
      ID: 2510132311
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 22:34 		Confirmed.
 
369Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 23:02 		Just Sags amd Punk have not posted their keepers
 
370Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 04:58
WG did you change your keepers? If yes what change did you make because I already had them removed from my list? Who did you put back?

 
371Boldwin
      ID: 582381420
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 06:24 		I am way too busy for the next 12 hours to track this down. Can someone direct me to the posts where we decided who got which teams, or just tell me whose team each new manager got?

All managers are currently entered in drafttime, now I must assign teams and keepers.
 
372biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 06:32 		I'm sure it took you longer to type that than for me to find the answer for you.

202-3.

VampireWeekend/jseth took Building 7
Bean took Coldwater Coyotes.
WG took MBJ
 
373Boldwin
      ID: 582381420
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 07:11 		Ok

Where we stand.

non-snake [correct?]

1Bobo
2Sags/Jorge doesn't have keepers yet
3C1
4WG
5Taxman
6Bili
7PV
8Tree
9Bean
10JSeth/Vweekend
11Punk42/Vampz
12Nerve
13Boldwin
14GO

As soon as Sags tells us his keepers, people confirm it's non-snake and I get back and see it, I'll enter draft order, enter keepers and finalize the draft right up to, but not yet setting the clock.
 
374biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 07:14 		non snake.
 
375Boldwin
      ID: 582381420
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 07:15 		We have one team, Bobo's with a completely reformulated team via trades, which I have trouble separating in my mind between him and the team we don't have keepers yet for, and we have two vampire teams.

This is juuuust on the edge of what dyslexic boy here can keep straight.
 
376Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 08:32
Baldwin Sags mentioned he already picked his keepers in yahoo. As commish you can go in, and look and see who he choose.

 
377GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 08:38 		Boldwin is gonna love trying to get keepers straight on Yahoo... the team who had the player last year needs to check them off as a keeper and THEN you can reassign players to their appropriate teams.

I'm beginning to think keeper league management tools aren't really worth it cause thats a pain in the butt.
 
378Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 09:04 		376 Maybe you can see his active roster keepers, but you cannot see his prospects. However, seems that is not a problem either.

From 285:

Please post keepers by 11:59 PM on Thursday 3/14/13 or THEY WILL BE PICKED FOR YOU.


 
379Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 09:15 		Jorge will post his keepers here as soon as he gets to work this morning. I think we can modify the deadline for a couple hours in lieu of alienating a manager. Say a 10AM MST deadline(noon EST)?
 
380Boldwin
      ID: 582381420
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 09:18 		I take it yellow is keeper and he set them? He really is not keeping Headley who was pretty much his best player last year and is young? He's keeping Josh Beckett over that?

There is no possible way.
 
381Boldwin
      ID: 582381420
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 09:25 		For that matter, that team isn't so good that he can't find a way to keep Zobrist IMO.
 
382Boldwin
      ID: 582381420
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 09:29 		I'd be throwing out Werth, Freeman and Beckett for Zobrist, Headley and Azdrubal Cabrera.
 
383Boldwin
      ID: 582381420
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 09:32 		I thot I liked Kuroda better than anyone else but he's dropping people better than Kuroda.
 
384Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 10:02 		Is there a draft password for Draftime?
 
385WG
      ID: 49215141
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 12:42 		re 370: i just added Rendon as a prospect
 
386WG
      ID: 49215141
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 12:45 		sorry guys, i forgot to select keepers in yahoo
 
387Jseth33
      ID: 362591511
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 13:03 		As did I...
 
388Bobo
      ID: 72461512
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 13:46 		Re: 384

An e-mail was sent via the Yahoo League Manager function yesterday that linked directly to a page where you could submit the password (already posted)...
 
389Boldwin
      ID: 582381420
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 14:37 		I am currently working out the definate answer to the question of whether the following is the current number of slots or if it has been raised for this year's draft by the new rule changes. If anyone is positive they know how many slots we are using for this year, before I post it, let me see it here and now.

From's GO's post #160 originally giving the league's rules to the new managers:

Scoring Settings
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util
SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL

Is that the revised bench slots or the original?

I am napping a bit. Been a hectic week for an ~old man.
 
390GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 15:00 		That looks like this year. 5 BN spots now instead of 4.

22 round draft - 7 keepers.
 
391nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 17:35
Thanks WG I just wanted to make sure I didn't drop someone who was back in the pool.

 
392nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 03:31

Baldwin there is a way to turn on the draft without a clock because the other league I am in did it for 24 hours so we could fill our ques.


 
393Boldwin
      ID: 172181517
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 04:28 		I've already filled my queue. You can't right now? You just can't see the draft progress. Unless somehow the admin can see queue and others can't.

Yes, with some effort I could set the first pick to infinite length. But not pause. It locks everyone out of the draft progress page when you pause.

If you tell me you can't set up queues after giving it a good try, I'll take that step.
 
394nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 07:59
I've tried 5 times.

You click on the draft and a screen comes up that says... Current Draft Status: Stopped

And it doesn't let you in.

 
396PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 08:53 		ONLY the commish can do stuff. No one else... That's why I said to turn it on without a clock for everyone to be able to do stuff.
 
397taxman
      ID: 122169
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 09:06 		No one has answered in keepers thread..so reposted..answer is???

Does Sags have Prospect Keepers?? They need to be posted before the draft.
 
398Boldwin
      ID: 172181517
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 10:09 		Ok, just got back in the door. I will set it up with loooong intervals.
 
399Boldwin
      ID: 172181517
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 10:13 		Ok, there is no clock. Make a pick if you are up. Don't feel compelled to if you are still waiting for someone's prospect keepers.
 
400boldwin
      ID: 172181517
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 11:11 		Please check to see if your prospect keepers have been removed from the drafttime player pool. I tried to get them all but there are many ways one could have been missed. We still have three prospect keepers missing.

We will be going with a faster clock [prolly 1:30 hr or possibly much faster] than we've ever used before. EVERYONE should be setting at least 15 player queues at a minimum. Queues can be set now. Commish will force picks from queues if necessary or we may even all agree to make one for you if we think it has become necessary. Hopefully it never comes to that.

We have not all agreed on a start time and until we all agree there will be no limit set on the clock. But you can make a pick if you are up in the draft.

I think that sums up what I know, or what I think we have established so far hopefully without me stepping on Tree's toes.
 
401nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 12:03
1.5 hr time limit seems a tad fast.

 
402boldwin
      ID: 172181517
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 12:07 		We may need to make allowances for Nerve's other side of the world status.

I am not the guy with his foot on the accelerator, but I remember well the managers in the football draft swearing they were never doing a slow draft again.

That draft went smooth as silk once it actually got in gear, but it started so horrendously many said there would need to be a speedup or else.
 
403Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 13:49 		If I have done my math correctly then the draft should last just 15 rounds. With pick trades, I figure the last two rounds were added to accomodate those.

How will the picks that wont be used from round 12 (Nerve at 12.12) be handled in Draft Time?
 
404taxman
      ID: 122169
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 14:23 		if your tired of seeing this post, answer the f..king question

No one has answered in keepers thread..so reposted..answer is???

Does Sags have Prospect Keepers?? They need to be posted before the draft.
 
405Bobo
      ID: 52258120
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 14:47 		first pick made...
 
406boldwin
      ID: 172181517
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 14:54 		Unfortunately it looks like Sags is out of town for the weekend, Taxman. We understand your frustration. He can't take your prospect keepers so relax. The draft won't get to you before Sags gets here and puts in his keepers.
 
407boldwin
      ID: 172181517
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 14:58 		PV

Maybe if you could contact your personal friend Jorge and get those prospect keepers before Taxman goes critical?
 
408Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 15:07 		Just talked to Jorge. He's on his way back from some survival camping ordeal in the mountains. I haven't spoken to him for a while because the weather has sucked and there's been no golf until about a week ago.

He said he will take care of the prospect keepers and make his picks as soon as he gets home today.
 
409GO
      ID: 210411222
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 15:10 		Are there 2 different poli drafts on draftime? If so we should ask Fred to delete one.
 
410nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 15:33

I have 140 names in my que, should hold me for a few rounds.

 
411taxman
      ID: 122169
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 15:47 		boldy...thanks for responding (to the third post).

Not worried about my prospect keepers., but still I consider the info important in devising drat strategy (IE such as Middlebrooks is off the board)
 
412Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 15:48 		Jorge just drafted Bautista which was a keeper for jseth. I will double check the draft grid to make sure there arent any other omissions.

So, Boldwin, you need to fix that and Jorge needs to re-pick
 
413Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 16:06 		OK, I checked it all. It agrees with the keepers listed in the other thread. One mistake for 100 entries is pretty good.
 
414boldwin
      ID: 172181517
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 16:52 		Yup, screwed up on Bautista. Tho I can delete Bautista from the draft, he does not disappear from Jorge's pick in the draft, nor do I have a tool to swap him to JSeth's team, unless we can work some kind of deal that wouldn't screw up anyone's draft picks.

Prolly better if we just do this manually. Let's take down Jorge's replacement pick [which won't show on the draft grid] and remove the replacement's name from the draft. I've stopped the draft till we get Jorge's replacement pick. It doesn't look like that will be easy, given Jorge's busy weekend.

If Jorge wants Zobrist we'll have one more manual fix to do.
 
415boldwin
      ID: 172181517
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 16:56 		Please, people, let's not be checking every two minutes and blowing a gasket. We knew we weren't gonna get a weekend of drafting done going into this weekend. We knew one guy was outta town and unavailable. This info was available in the posts.
 
416Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 17:10 		I think you can admin remove any picks that have been made thus far. With a little self control we can get back on track.
 
417boldwin
      ID: 172181517
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 18:35 		I removed Bautista from the player pool and he stayed on Jorge's team. Same thing will happen to Zobrist if I have to swap him out because Jorge picks him.

I'd like to leave the draft open so you can build your Q's but I really don't want any more picks going on until Jorge repicks. C1 if necessary.

I don't have the tools you would think I might.
 
418boldwin
      ID: 172181517
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 19:25 		Jorge

Please repick. Bautista was a keeper of JSeth's.

You can't do it on drafttime, you'll have to make the pick here. Zobrist is available, not that we are suggesting him.
 
419boldwin
      ID: 172181517
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 20:39 		I'm turning it back on. No one pick until Jorge does.
 
420GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 21:11 		So why are there two Poli drafts on Draftime? are we deleting one? I have 4 other drafts going on there, don't need one more clogging up my screen for no reason.
 
421boldwin
      ID: 172181517
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 21:17 		I only see one 2013 baseball draft.
 
422GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 21:19 		this is what I've got...

Fantasy Sports Draft Name Rd.Pk Manager Draft Home Admin
Dirty Dozen 2012 Proposed Start: 03/19/13 12:00 pm ET Draft Not Started Draft Admin
Gurupie 20 -- 2013 Supplemental Draft 3.18 jaydoghall Draft Home
Poliboard Baseball 2012 Draft Not Started
2013 RIBC PCL AAA 6.13 valkyrie Draft Home
Poliboard Baseball 2013 1.04 airallnite Draft Home
 
423GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 21:20 		Did you renew last years and then abandon it and start a new one perhaps?
 
424PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 21:47 		The Poli 2012 one is from last year when there were hiccups. I believe it was started without keepers or something.
 
425Boldwin
      ID: 292531620
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 21:53 		Why on earth would you think we are associated with any current draft there except...Poliboard Baseball 2013 1.04 airallnite Draft Home?
 
426Boldwin
      ID: 292531620
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 22:38 		Now we did have to rebuild the draft last year. That's why there are two 2012 drafts.

I am up for the idea of a less dyslexic manager being co-commish. Yesterday was an agonizing 7 hours of entry and re-entry and look how much trouble one screw-up is.
 
427GO
      ID: 210411222
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 22:42 		Just sick of having to stare at a draft that isnt really happening. And having it all mixed up with the ones that actually are.
 
428GO
      ID: 210411222
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 22:44 		I am sure Fred can delete the aborted one I just didn't know what the deal was.
 
429Boldwin
      ID: 292531620
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 23:00 		Again, there is only one 2013 Poliboard draft showing. *shrug*
 
430Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 23:09 		Who is Fred? What second draft?

I feel like we are having a 1 year flashback when pd was running things...
 
431Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 23:59 		Fred is the guy being kafenatid. i've emailed him to see if we can roll our draft back to 1.01.

oy.

also, this business about 1.5 time limits isn't going to work. you have time zone issues to worry about and so forth.

for now, we really need a 4 to 6 hour clock, with the clock running something like 9 am eastern to midnight eastern (6 am to 9 pm pacific)....

if we have to shorten it later, we will.
 
432Sags
      ID: 212351323
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 00:15 		I am so sorry for contributing to this mess, fellas. I really thought I'd be OK if I hiked to the top of a mountain for some reception, but nothing worked.
 
433biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 00:30 		No worries, Sags. We are doing fine. We had no intention of getting any serious movement done this weekend.
 
434Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 00:34 		no worries at all Sags.
 
435Tree
      ID: 2510132311
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 09:12 		Fred is out of town, but said he'd fix tonight.
 
436GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 10:45 		Nobody else is seeing the 2 drafts? Thats fine, I can just have him clean mine up.
 
437Tree
      ID: 2510132311
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 10:48 		From 2012? Yea, I see it.

But just one from 2013.
 
438GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 10:56 		Bili - many of us have 2 different active drafts showing for PoliBoard baseball. One called 2012 which was renewed (and subsequently abandoned), one called 2013. Obviously we are using the 2013 one this year. Trying to get the renewed 2012 one cleaned up and shut down.

My Dirty Dozen one that is current also says 2012, thats because when it renews from year to year and signs everyone back up, it uses the same name. So I have asked Fred to take the specific 2012 year out of the draft name for that league. So each year it'll just renew as "Dirty Dozen"
 
439WG
      ID: 3811221423
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 11:12 		Looks like the first 3 picks are Torii Hunter, Matt Wieters, Zack Greinke in some order? I pick Aroldis Chapman 4th.
 
440biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 11:13 		Ah. Okay. I thought you were seeing 2 2013s.

Just make sure not to knock out the true 2012. Nice for historical purposes.
 
441Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 11:27 		<439> So, are we waiting for Fred to reset the draft, or should WG just go ahead and draft Chapman in Draft Time and we nix the reset?
 
442Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 11:53 		he's going to re-set tonight. i suggest if we want, to make picks here in the mean time.

i won't be picking until much later. i'm not even sure when i'm up.
 
443Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 13:23 		I'm up after tax, but heading into the mountains. 1 man q set.
 
444Boldwin
      ID: 132421711
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 13:52 		I will force my way in then [assuming I can], bili. We won't be using drafttime today so your Q won't be operational otherwise.
 
445Boldwin
      ID: 132421711
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 13:54 		I guess it would make things easier if Taxman did use the limping and broken drafttime draft provisionally until it is reset, as well as entering it here in the Poliboard.
 
446Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 14:50 		Either way. Cell service in pass..
 
447taxman
      ID: 122169
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 15:12 		WG I see two clunkers on my DRAFTIME Home (page) listed as Current Fantasy Sports Drafts

1) Poliboard Baseball 2012..."Draft Not Started"

and

2nd an unfinished Poliboard Football 2012.."Draft Stopped"


I wrote Fred yesterday and asked if he could/would delete them. There is an archived Poliboard Baseball 2012 Draft different from above listed draft listed at bottom of Home (page) under Archived Fantasy Sports Drafts
 
448Boldwin
      ID: 132421711
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 15:16 		I think that is a feature, not a bug. Drafttime lets you see all the drafts you have been party to the last two years. It is rare to find as good an archive process as we have. Most leagues would be very benefited by that feature.
 
449Boldwin
      ID: 132421711
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 15:22 		What does 'Either way. Cell service in pass..' mean?
 
450Boldwin
      ID: 132421711
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 16:53 		I used to have PV's number but just can't find it now.
 
451nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 17:07
Well it's 1Am here and a school night so am headed to bed. If there's no draft time que I will have no way to pick.

 
452taxman
      ID: 122169
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 18:24 		Bean..the draft thread is only for draft picks. Please don't make other posts there.

If you could delete your draft order pick post from the draft thread and repost in this thread, I for one would be appreciative.
 
453PV
      ID: 1010151016
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 18:36 		I just got off the golf course - 40 degrees and 25mph wind, brrr...home to pick within the hour
 
454Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 18:46 		<452> Per your request its removed and reproduced here. Hopefully we wont be using that thread past today.

To help keep this going, PV you're up:

007 01.07 PV
008 01.08 Tree
009 01.09 Bean
010 01.10 Jseth
011 01.11 PuNk
012 01.12 Nerve
013 01.13 Boldwin
014 01.14 GO
015 02.01 Bobo
016 02.02 Sags
017 02.03 C1
018 02.04 WG
019 02.05 taxman
020 02.06 Bili
021 02.07 PV
022 02.08 Tree
023 02.09 Bean
024 02.10 Jseth
025 02.11 PuNk
026 02.12 Nerve
027 02.13 Boldwin
028 02.14 GO
 
455Boldwin
      ID: 132421711
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 18:47 		That and debating with me. Very strange idea of what fun is.
 
456GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 20:31 		448 Boldwin
I'm not sure, but i don't think you understand what tax is saying... Like me, I believe he's saying he has under "Current Fantasy Sports Drafts" these abandoned/stopped Poli drafts. We all know there are the archived ones on the bottom. Those will not be impacted. They are archived away.

I think the #1 important thing we all need to do with these draft names is to take the year specific info off the draft name. Then you can just renew it each year and it will help eliminate confusion. Once that years draft is complete it'll move down to the archive and it tells you what year that draft occurred.
 
457Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 20:58 		Has the draft been restarted? I see only pick 1.01 has been made so far.

Is Boldwin going to enter the picks we have in the thread, or are we just starting over and people need to enter their picks in Draft Time for 1.02 thru 1.06?
 
458Boldwin
      ID: 132421711
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 21:16 		Ok, I caught Drafttime up. We can go back to using Drafttime as our primary draft vehicle.

I'd appreciate if you also entered your pick in the draft thread here afterwards, but I will if you won't just so we keep our archive here.
 
459Tree
      ID: 2510132311
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 21:21 		Received an email from Fred that everything is fixed. Zobrist and Bautista still need to be assigned keeper status.
 
460Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 21:24 		Ever used Yahoo Groups? I am in three rotoguru community keeper leagues that use Yahoo Groups. It is free, and provides a vehicle for file saving, voting and calendar. We save the charter, rosters and contracts (salary cap keeper leagues) there. And poll results are always available. So archiving is very easy.

For the most part, we just check in and look for replacements at rotoguru. I can send an invite to the basketball league I run if you want to look around.
 
461Boldwin
      ID: 132421711
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 21:28 		Zobrist and Bautista have both been taken out of the draftable pool, however I do not have the tools to put Zobrist or Bautista on teams retroactively.
 
462Boldwin
      ID: 132421711
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 21:31 		Waiting 13 picks is killing me. The whole queue will be gone, I just know it.
 
463Boldwin
      ID: 132421711
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 22:59 		Tree naturally took my top pick.
 
464Boldwin
      ID: 132421711
      Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 23:09 		I have 4 queued up and on immediate autopick. Goodnite.
 
465GO
      ID: 300542419
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 00:28 		I wonder if Yahoo Groups wouldn't be useful for the RWF league.

Bean - until i pieced one together, there wasn't a charter in the first place, so storage was no big deal haha... I think putting in an opening post of a new thread as well as the yahoo league homepage should be good enough. then we can draft up a summary of all the prospects too and be all set.
 
466taxman
      ID: 122169
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 00:39 		Draftime is still wonky. Drew Storen still shows as a Sags keeper and the Grid when opened also shows Storen on Sags team and Storen is not available to draft. Thus Storen must be rehabilitated to be shown as available. Also, the Grid does not reflect Zobrist any where (not on Sags or any other roster)
 
467Boldwin
      ID: 132421711
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 02:50 		Drafttime cannot be fixed as far as Zobrist and Bautista are concerned. We will all just have to account for that manually on our lists. Storen is not on Sag's team. That was a very astute catch. I cannot restore him to the player pool either.

We will all just have to remember Storen is available and keep track of him after he is selected.
 
468nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 07:41
I got Holliday as the 12th pick and he was #1 on my cheat sheet going into the draft

.

 
469Boldwin
      ID: 132421711
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 07:46 		I got Rollins who was my #2 after Gallardo. I am also suddenly stoked.
 
470nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 08:27

Hopefully we get the draft moving today.

 
471Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 09:15 		I was all over Rollins, but decided to go with a youth movement.
When are we going to get a clock going?
 
472PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 09:22 		I suggest a 4 hour clock starting now
 
473Boldwin
      ID: 21227188
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 09:27 		We need to get a commitment from everyone that we can now live up to a four hour clock, and when [what part of the day, days of the week] we can begin 1.5 hour clocks.
 
474GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 09:31 		Tough to stick a clock on some folks like nerve with the crazy time zone situation. I don't really see the need for a clock, shouldn't have any problem completing this draft. And I'm usually all in favor of using a clock.
 
475Boldwin
      ID: 21227188
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 09:34 		I am totally OK with giving Nerve an entirely different clock.
 
476GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 09:36 		Boldwin - I don't think you need to archive all these now, if you want to save some effort. Or at least wait for a round to finish. Last year we just posted nicely at the end -- 2012 Poli Results
 
477Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 09:48 		I think we need a clock as incentive to use the que system.
I have to leave shortly, have 5 player ques for the next two rounds.
 
478Boldwin
      ID: 21227188
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 09:59 		I'm not starting the clock till everyone says go.
 
479Boldwin
      ID: 21227188
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 10:00 		And I'm prolly stopping the clock for Nerve sooner or later into his draft period.
 
480Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 10:20 		We need to get a commitment from everyone that we can now live up to a four hour clock, and when [what part of the day, days of the week] we can begin 1.5 hour clocks.

again, i'm going to say no to a 1.5 hour clock. 4 to 6 hours is plenty.

meetings, time zone differences (not even including Nerve, but west coast to east coast) make a clock that short a bit too much.

you don't have a clock that short unless you're in a super time crunch. if we were going to do a clock that short, we might as well have done a live draft just to bang the thing out.
 
481GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 10:23 		Yeah, I think a long clock is totally reasonable. 6 hours for now. Cut it to 4 if we extend into next week. Everyone should be able to work around that.
 
482Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 10:47 		A 4 hour clock is really more like an 8 hour window if you set only 1 que. This early in the draft, it's understandable not wanting to set ques for more than one round, in case there's runs on positions that haven't been anticipated.

I'm not starting the clock till everyone says go.

I'm not following. Keepers by last Thursday, draft started over the weekend. Everyone knows the program.
 
483Boldwin
      ID: 21227188
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 13:19 		Ok, 6 hrs doesn't sound extreme.

WG isn't answering his phone. He has an iphone and gets the drafttime updates whether I call him or not.

He just called me back while I was writing. He's negotiating a possible trade with Tree and otherwise picking in ten minutes or so.
 
484Boldwin
      ID: 21227188
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 14:09 		I've got a 4 man Q and 6 slots to go. Hopefully they keep slipping thru. Gotta nap briefly.
 
485Boldwin
      ID: 21227188
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 15:08 		Top guy on my list [after Putz] slips. Lovin' it.
 
486nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 16:34
WG don't do it, when he whispers sweet nothings in your ears just resist.

Don't fall for the trick where he hides a ball under one of three cups and you think it will be easy to find the one with the ball.

It's all done with mirrors and slight of hand.

Don't walk over to the dark side.

 
487Tree
      ID: 32251812
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 16:49 		says the guy who ranted about trying to trade Grienke and Holiday for Heyward and what a travesty the deal i made for Heyward was.

you didn't even keep Grienke or Holiday. two aging, oft-injured guys that aren't even keepers in a deep league like this offered for a rising star. THAT makes sense.
 
488Boldwin
      ID: 21227188
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 18:42 		I tried to contact Taxman but he was not answering. I left a message.
 
489Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 20:08 		It's 3 AM in Dubai, but he's got a 30 minute delay autopick set. Yeah!
 
490Tree
      ID: 32251812
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:04 		why is the draft stopped?
 
491Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:09 		Three free rounds are done.
 
492GO
      ID: 300542419
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:15 		WG will get more deals done this year than the rest of the league combined (not including me). That's my prediction for 2013. So I don't think you have to worry about him being naive in trade negotiations with Tree.

In F101 he took over and made TEN! trades this season, traded multiple guys to contenders and stockpiled picks for the upcoming year... turned over his entire inherited keeper set... and all the while -- reloaded and made the playoffs as a top seed. That was some serious managing.
 
493Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:15 		Jesus fcuk.
 
494GO
      ID: 300542419
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:18 		Why such anger?
 
495Tree
      ID: 131137414
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:20 		Sheesh. we had a strong day of drafting. why such anger?
 
496Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:21 		Because we have never had any trouble just posting our picks here. Dotty slime, even after years of promises, never fails to disappoint. Just like tea baggers.
 
497Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:22 		Just tell me where to send the check so we can get moving again.
 
498GO
      ID: 300542419
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:23 		So Draftime failed because we didn't coordinate payment before the 3rd round?
 
499Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:25 		We are beta testers. We should be being paid.
 
500GO
      ID: 300542419
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:27 		I don't see how we are beta testers, the system is pretty damn good. All are other leagues have been humming along, no problems, no complaints.
 
501Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:28 		Someone just needs to cough up the $10 fee. Not John Gault here. Not tonite.
 
502Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:28 		How do I do it?
 
503Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:30 		Does this work for you?

Draft
 
504GO
      ID: 300542419
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:31 		I emailed KKB to coordinate payment. Boldwin does it give you a prompt or something on the Admin page? I wasn't really sure how to pay.
 
505Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:34 		Does that link work for you?

The draft ID is # D-176
 
506biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:43 		Keeps claiming my cookies are turned off. On multiple browsers. My cookies are on.
 
507GO
      ID: 300542419
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:48 		I think the commish has to do payment. Boldwin want me to PayPal to you? Or add me as co-commish perhaps and then we can see?
 
508Tree
      ID: 132511820
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:51 		Because we have never had any trouble just posting our picks here. Dotty slime, even after years of promises, never fails to disappoint. Just like tea baggers

you're very forgetful.

drafts on these boards took almost two weeks.

last year's baseball draft on draftime took less than a week.

last year's football draft on draftime took 5 days.

draftime has been a life saver in regards to having to keep on people, and in regards to shaving an incredibly amount of time off our drafts.
 
509biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:54 		And driving half the interesting competition away.
 
510GO
      ID: 300542419
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:55 		If people quit cause of Draftime they have bigger issues than this.
 
511Tree
      ID: 131137414
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:57 		what are you talking about? why spend two weeks drafting when you can halve that time?

who was driven away because of technology?
 
512GO
      ID: 300542419
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:57 		Why don't we ditch the computers and improved technology altogether? We can mail a chain letter of draft picks... start it in like January.
 
513Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 21:58 		GO and bili have been added as co-admins.
 
514GO
      ID: 300542419
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 22:01 		Yeah, that was it. Only admin can get that link to work. All paid. 2 clicks.
 
515biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 22:06 		Thanks, man.

I wasn't particularly angry. Jesus Fcuk is other people's "dangit".
 
516Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 22:07 		GO, can I add 72 cents I owe you for this to my F101 bill?
 
517Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 22:10 		The ones that liked the camaraderie and banter more than the speed-picks.
 
518Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 22:16 		We get the banter either way. I miss the phone expediting tho.
 
519GO
      ID: 262151821
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 22:16 		Yeah PV, that would be cool.... anyone in my other leagues can throw a buck my way when you pay those entries.
 
520GO
      ID: 262151821
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 22:17 		You can call me to make fun of my picks if u want.
 
521Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 23:52 		Uhm, the draft restarted again a couple hours ago. It's Bobo's pick and the clock is counting down. I suggest that if the Draft Time software moves to the next pick that Sags does not pick unless Bobo has already. I certainly hope this is the last SNAFU we'll experience on this draft.
 
522Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 00:42 		Uhm, the draft restarted again a couple hours ago. It's Bobo's pick and the clock is counting down. I suggest that if the Draft Time software moves to the next pick that Sags does not pick unless Bobo has already. I certainly hope this is the last SNAFU we'll experience on this draft.

hey - since i am apparently NOT an administrator, can someone who is set the thing to pause from 12 midnight eastern to 9 am eastern?

we can't have the draft clock running all night.
 
523Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 01:06 		we need to make sure it doesn't time out on Bobo overnight, so whoever can stop it, please do.
 
524Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 01:15 		KK
 
525Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 01:22 		gracias.
 
526Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 01:22 		It's on a pause that I cannot edit [wierd limitation], so I think it won't advance to Jorge until Bobo picks.
 
527Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 01:23 		You are added as co-admin, Tree, if you think you can fix anything I can't.
 
528nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 02:04

Baldwin It's on a half hour clock because I check intermittently during the night and adjust the pick. For example, the pick of Samardzija, which was made in 9 minutes was made at 4AM.

Isn't it bad enough I am sleeping during some of the first picks of the draft, and may have to take whoever comes up in the que, while the rest of the league has the luxury of looking at all scenarios, without complaining about a half hour window?

 
529nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 02:32

says the guy who ranted about trying to trade Grienke and Holiday for Heyward and what a travesty the deal i made for Heyward was.

you didn't even keep Grienke or Holiday. two aging, oft-injured guys that aren't even keepers in a deep league like this offered for a rising star. THAT makes sense.

You know Tree when you make posts like this, I always have to stop and ask myself, are you simply dishonest? or just not that smart?

1) Trade was for Greinke, and Holliday, and Ian Desmond. For only Heyward, not Goldschmidt also.

2) 5 days after the trade it was learned that Greinke had inflammation in his elbow, DUH Why would I keep a player with elbow inflammation, which was learned well after the trade offer? Otherwise I was keeping.

3) I did keep Desmond who was in the trade and you conveniently left out.

4) Holliday was my first pick of the draft.

5) Holliday is "oft" injured? Holliday has played at least 155 games five of the past seven seasons, including 157 last year.

6) Greinke is "oft injured" even with a minor injury last year he threw 212 innings last 5 years? 202, 229, 220, 171, 212 That would be called a workhorse compared to most pitchers.

So which is it Tree? Slow or con man? I have a pretty good guess.



 
530Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 02:39 		Nerve

Where did you get the idea it was on that interval? To be honest, I screwed it up and afaik we don't have any limit for the next 23 hours. And I'm going to have to be really on the ball to get it off that long a daily pause tomorrow night. You can't edit the pause once you set it. Pretend you don't know that and keep picking fast.
 
531Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 03:00 		Nerve

I am guessing that maybe you think the queue interval for autopick is set by me? It is fully adjustable by you for however long you need it, or instantaneous.
 
532nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 03:49

I was just explaining that I do set a 30 minute interval, even during the night, because I check things if I happen to wake up in the middle of the night. Meaning rather then just setting instant auto pick.

Last night it paid off.


 
533Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 07:43 		Mr Bobo

If you gave us/me your phone # please do so again. I can't find it.
 
534Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 08:52 		It's on a pause that I cannot edit [wierd limitation], so I think it won't advance to Jorge until Bobo picks.

this is correct.

but that's fine in this case, because Bobo had about 3 hours on the clock last night, and will have 3 hours this morning.

hopefully he picks before noon, so we don't worry about it.
 
535Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 08:55 		Baldwin It's on a half hour clock because I check intermittently during the night and adjust the pick. For example, the pick of Samardzija, which was made in 9 minutes was made at 4AM.

Isn't it bad enough I am sleeping during some of the first picks of the draft, and may have to take whoever comes up in the que, while the rest of the league has the luxury of looking at all scenarios, without complaining about a half hour window

i agree with you on this. the pick shouldn't have been made.

Baldwin - this is not meant to be a knock on you, but in this case, you're trying to hard.

RELAX. seriously man, relax. i'll take care of adjusting the draft pause after this one expires, and so on.

as for Queues, if someone has a time limit set in, let that go. there's no hurry - we will finish this draft within a week.

just relax. :o)
 
536Bobo
      ID: 48225198
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 09:25 		I checked after 8pm last night and the draft was locked...and figured to check this AM and did, making my pick a few minutes ago. I certainly didn't mean to hold things up (in the event I did)...

As for posting my phone number...is there a way to post it privately versus just listing it for anyone to come here and view/have access to?
 
537Bobo
      ID: 48225198
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 09:30 		And one more question (forgive me if it has been answered elsewhere and I missed it)...

When are we doing the prospect draft?
 
538PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 09:41 		Just as a note since the setup and keepers ect took a bit longer than I expected. If we can PLEASE start the Prospect draft right after the regular one ends. I have a week before vacation and won't be around on the net often.
 
539PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 10:13 		Is the draft still supposed to be paused?
 
540 Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 10:17 		I've got phone numbers for :

WG
Taxman
Bean

If anyone else is willing to send me theirs, or if they think they already did post it but I missed it, please send to my addy in this post.
 
541Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 10:19 		I was experimenting with the pause and to my horror discovered it can't be changed while the one you just input is on pause. We'll be on pause for quite a while but you all can still draft there. A pause is not a 'stop draft'.
 
542Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 10:47 		WG was called but unavailable. Message left.
 
543Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 11:02 		Nobody should need to be called. That's why there's a que system.
 
544GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 11:07 		Yeah, I'm also way more likely to see an email than have my phone on me. Phone gets dropped on a dock and left there when I walk in the door.
 
545Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 11:12 		I don't know why we go through this every year. My pick is 4 away, and I have to leave for the day. So I set a 5 player que for this pick and a 5 player que for my next pick.

What could be more simple?
 
546biliruben
      ID: 402161912
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 13:16 		Any idea why Nerve has my 12th round pick?

Also, I think I have Tax's 14th (21st) rounder.
 
547Tree
      ID: 131137414
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 13:17 		exactly.
 
548Tree
      ID: 131137414
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 13:18 		again, the problem is trying too hard. we are all emailed when our pick it up. this is a beautiful system, if we just let it work.
 
549biliruben
      ID: 402161912
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 13:23 		Can this beautiful system fix my picks? Right now, I am going to end up 2 picks light.

I don't see where you can trade a pick for nothing. Is there another way to fix?
 
550nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 13:31

Ahh now that you mention it. I got Jorge's 7th which is correct, but he is supposed to get my 5th, which he didn't. Pick 5.12

this is from Wainwright trade...
 
551nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 13:32
I would suggest everyone go to the "all picks" section and check their picks.

 
552biliruben
      ID: 402161912
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 13:44 		Okay, I just made two trades:


one trade with nerve - my 17th(the draft only has 15 rounds, correct?) for "his" 12th that he somehow ended up with,

and one trade with tax - my 16th for his 14th.

Tax and Nerve - tell me if I screwed either of those up.
 
553nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 13:50

so how can I do that to give Jorge my 5.12?
 
554nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 13:53
It looks ok to me billi
 
555nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 13:54
My next pic at 5.12 I am not taking it is Jorges. Jorge can you acknowledge this or can someone email him so the draft doesn't get held up?

 
556Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 13:57 		Hopefully I can move things around. We'll see if I have the tools to work with.
 
557Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 14:04 		Ok, really you guys need to have someone else set this up next year.

I had it set up and entered as 15 rounds, then got it in my head that there were 17 rounds, erased everything and started over. In all I entered it part way or complete, four times.

Hopefully I can redo this correctly.

You guys who made trades for 'my last for his second to last need to take a second look and tell me how it really is exactly with 15 rounds instead of 17.

My father is in surgery atm so this may be take some time.
 
558Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 14:06 		If it wouldn't be too much to ask, please include the posts where these trades were made.
 
559Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 14:15 		Don't sweat it Baldwin. I'll fix for nerve.
 
560Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 14:17 		Does that look right now nerve?
 
561Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 14:20 		I am now going to recap all trades. Double-check me.

Starting with trades made during last year and included on Yahoo, you must log in.

That grid does not include the information that there are 7 rounds already taken for keepers, or conversely that there are not 22 rounds of picks so it gets tricky.
 
562WG
      ID: 3811221423
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 14:26 		The two picks I traded away are accurately reflected in the draft.

Re 492: Thanks for the kind words GO. I think trading is an integral and fun part of Fantasy Baseball and I always try to look into it to help my team. Already made two this year so I'm well on my way to another 10 in this league as well!

Re 486: I like being wooed as much as the next guy but don't worry NC, I have no plans of getting sheisted. Tree and I have been playing in leagues for a while and I think our valuations on players generally lines up. We've made a few trades in the past and I think we've both won some, lost some. I often ask him for his advice on my other trades and draft picks too and find his input insightful.

Still looking to move Sandoval or Gordon in a small deal if anyone is interested. Don't really like having all my Util slots filled already with other slots unfilled.
 
563GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 14:28 		What we do in Dirty Dozen is apply the keepers in the last 7 rounds to keep the "1st Round Pick" in line (easier to track). So what I would do is just make Bili's 21st round pick just be his last pick of the draft, whatever that works out to.

Then in season we need to make sure nobody uses a pick past the first 16 rounds or however many we really have in the supp draft.
 
564nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 14:36

Looks correct Billi.

Baldwin don't sweat it you've contributed a lot and have a lot on your mind with a father going into surgery.

 
565Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 14:39 		Taxman had bili's third 3.06 [as well as his own 3.05]

Jorge/sags had nerve's 5.12 [as well as his own 5.02]

Nerve had Jorge/sags 7.02 [as well as his own 7.12]

Bili has Taxman's next to last which is really 14.05 [as well as his own 14.06] [tho it says it is round 21]
 
566Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 14:56 		Trades and stuff in this thread

#126

Bobo trades: 3rd Round Draft Pick to Nerve

Nerve trades: Austin Jackson/OF and 2nd to last Round Draft Pick to Bobo

---

#278 - no draft picks

Bobo gets
Johnny Cueto

WG gets
Pablo Sandoval

#279

Swap Cueto in for Cahill as a keeper.

---

#367

Wg gets Anthony Rendon (prospect), Trees 9th round supp draft and 3rd round prospect draft

Tree gets Wgs 6th round supp draft and 2nd round prospect draft

---

#546 biliruben

Any idea why Nerve has my 12th round pick?

Also, I think I have Tax's 14th (21st) rounder.

---

#552 bili

one trade with nerve - my 17th(the draft only has 15 rounds, correct?) for "his" 12th that he somehow ended up with,

and one trade with tax - my 16th for his 14th.

Tax and Nerve - tell me if I screwed either of those up.
 
567WG
      ID: 3811221423
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 14:58 		Also, Boldwin, sorry for ducking your calls... just don't like answering and talking about fantasy sports while at work. Appreciate the heads ups though... I get push notifications like every 15 minutes I think (isn't that what iPhones do?) so I'm usually good to go.
 
568Boldwin
      ID: 11261819
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 15:54 		I totally get that this doesn't always mix with work. I'm gonna keep leaving messages anyway, naturally.
 
569Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 16:30 		<551> You mean there was someone who hasn't already done this? C'mon guys!
 
570Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 16:32 		<557> Please let me do this next year
 
571Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 16:47 		<566> I believe you can make two for one trades within Draft Time. So, if you need to make a single one way one pick trade to straighten things out, make a 2-1 then reverse it partially with a 1-1 pick trade.
 
572taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 17:15 		re post 546, 552, 565 and 566

copied from yahoo last year:

This trade has been processed in Political Baseball. Your roster for Wednesday, May 23 should reflect this change. If it doesn't, please let us know. If you've set your lineup in advance for future dates, please note those changes will be reset to match your lineup for the day players are added.

Tax Errors bili-cruisin'
Kemp, Matt (OF,CF-LAD)
Round 21 pick
Braun, Ryan (OF,LF-Mil)
Round 3 pick
--Fantasy Baseball Commissioner
http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1


Confusion caused by 7 Keepers and 15 draft rounds (total = 22)
Thus round 21 referenced in yahoo trade summary is describing the next to last round. Thus bili gets tax's 14th round pick.

Are we now in agreement.

 
573biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 19:47 		sounds right.
 
574biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 23:42 		WTF? I had my delay set for 15 minutes and it gave me 15 seconds. Beautiful.
 
575biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 23:46 		I can't trust it, so I'm turning off my queues. Sorry guys.
 
576Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 01:27 		WTF? I had my delay set for 15 minutes and it gave me 15 seconds. Beautiful.

did you have it set to allow your designated pickers to pick from your queue? if so, i'm guessing one of them did it.
 
577nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 03:30
Bili the timing on all my ques have worked exactly as set.

Could it be a case of "ESO"

"Equipment Smarter then Operator"?

 
578nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 03:46

So Tree grabs Taveres in the 6th round?

I wondered who would do it. I thought a team not contending would benefit most since Taveres isn't even playing, so you are wasting a bench spot unless he is called up (If Beltran gets injured for example) and no one expects that even in June.

So a contending team gives up a bench spot and an early pick for a minor league player (Albiet a top 5 prospect) who is dead weight all season.

This is what GO was talking about when he worried about last place teams not getting a top prospect because he is scooped up in the regular draft.

My question is, why didn't an out of contention team take him earlier and almost as puzzling why would a contending team waste a bench spot on a player not coming up until late in the season, no matter how good he is? And give up a 6th round pick when there is a lot of talent still there to be drafted who will actually play?

In the end I couldn't make sense of grabbing him early myself, although the thought crossed my mind since the start of the draft. In the end it didn't make sense if I am trying to contend as it would be tough looking at that dead weight bench spot that could be getting flipped all year for closers in waiting and players that are actually playing.

But then Tree will just trade for two closers half way through the season for a 3rd round draft pick... sour grapes... ;)

Only time will tell if the gamble pays off.

I am curious about your reasoning, because in my mind I couldn't justify the benefit of the move outweighing the drag on the team.




 
579biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 08:16 		We have too many bench spots. With 5, I've started eye-ing prospects myself. In the 6th round.

I vote we go to 2 bench spots. "Problem" solved.

As for it jumping the gun on me -

1) I get the silly email, with the confusing header "It's Draftime!", like someone has just restarted the system.

2) I open up draftime, and my pick is made.

Anyone, all day yesterday could see I set it to a 15 minute lag.

Usually I would agree with you nerve, except I didn't have a chance to do anything at all to screw it up.

You have all been warned.
 
580nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 09:04
Theres not really 5 bench spots, it's just that here are only 7 Pitching slots. Most leagues have 8 which means 4 bench slots.

Yahoo public league for example uses 8.

Should be 2 x SP

2 x RP

4 x P

Can that be changed?




 
581GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 09:09 		You need to turn off designated pickers then. I can make your pick at any time once you are up. The 15 minute lag means that the pick is made automatically at the 15 minute mark.

If you have a designated picker, we get notice that your pick is up and we are to check in and place that pick for you. If you want us to wait 15 minutes, no reason to have a designated picker, the system can do that for you automatically.
 
582biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 09:14 		I would hope we don't add a pitching slot. I don't really want to even carry 7 of those useless things.

You may be right, GO. I must have clicked that cryptic word "available" thinking that's what I needed to use the general q. That just allowed the league to pick for me? I haven't designated any pickers. Did you pick Balfour?
 
583GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 09:14 		Anything can be changed. You could have 7 P's if you wanted (SP/RP, whoever you want).

Yeah, we are starting to hit a spot where picking a top prospect might be a good value. Even if Tree doesn't keep Taveras - he could easily trade him to bottom dweller in a few months for that guys closer. Bottom dweller locks up a good long term guy, top team gets immediate help.

Of course this could all be avoided and whatever last place team could be using its first prospect pick on Taveras (or Matt Harvey or Cobb) right now and could be working the prospect list to its maximum potential and rebuilding quicker... but seems the league likes it that way.
 
584GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 09:16 		Do, didn't pick Balfour. Hmm... let me make my pick and then I can figure out the ideal setting for your situation. I think you just want to toggle the "No Auto-Pick" to Yes, add the 15 min -- and don't switch the other 2.
 
585GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 09:34 		I think thats right. So leave it Unavailable and then toggle "No Auto-Pick" to the green Auto and punch in your 15 minutes, 30 minutes whatever you'd like.

This means it will just automatically pick the player at the top of your que at that time.
 
586Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 10:28 		So Tree grabs Taveres in the 6th round?

I wondered who would do it. I thought a team not contending would benefit most since Taveres isn't even playing, so you are wasting a bench spot unless he is called up (If Beltran gets injured for example) and no one expects that even in June.

i've seen June bandied around as a call up date. and no, question there is risk involved.

So a contending team gives up a bench spot and an early pick for a minor league player (Albiet a top 5 prospect) who is dead weight all season.

we don't know if he's dead weight all season. you win by taking risks. i grabbed Mike Trout in Dirty Dozen last season in the 10th round, and sat on him. I won the championship with him in my line up.

This is what GO was talking about when he worried about last place teams not getting a top prospect because he is scooped up in the regular draft.

absolutely. and i have no problem acknowledging that WG and I had long conversations about some contending team snagging a good prospect in the regular draft, because they have an abundance of talent already.

My question is, why didn't an out of contention team take him earlier and almost as puzzling why would a contending team waste a bench spot on a player not coming up until late in the season, no matter how good he is? And give up a 6th round pick when there is a lot of talent still there to be drafted who will actually play?

i agree. i saw him go in the 3rd round of D12 this season, which is mind boggling to me. that's VERY early.

there is definitely still a lot of talent out there, but again, i believe risk taking is necessary to win. I've already got three strong outfielders under the age of 27, plus a solid 4th outfielder in my prospect pool. Grabbing Taveras here just made sense to me, in part, because i wanted to get him before a non-contending team did, and i felt that time was coming soon.

i've got my position players filled, with only one i don't particularly care for. it just felt like the right time.

In the end I couldn't make sense of grabbing him early myself, although the thought crossed my mind since the start of the draft. In the end it didn't make sense if I am trying to contend as it would be tough looking at that dead weight bench spot that could be getting flipped all year for closers in waiting and players that are actually playing.

closers in waiting is a good strategy. but also risky as anything. no less risky than grabbing a top prospect early.

But then Tree will just trade for two closers half way through the season for a 3rd round draft pick... sour grapes... ;)

as GO also pointed out. lol

Only time will tell if the gamble pays off.

I am curious about your reasoning, because in my mind I couldn't justify the benefit of the move outweighing the drag on the team.

i hope i explained it well. it was a combination of factors which involved my thinking he wouldn't be available later, me wanting to take the risk, me seeing the impact of a prospect going early, and me thinking there is a decent chance he could be a difference maker.
 
587nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 10:28

Under Queue Availability make sure it reads Unavailable to Pickers

ESO

 
588nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 10:31
How is a pitching slot useless? You want to be in an all batting league?

Yahoo has 8

ESPN 9

we have 7

I don't have any clue why you would want less.

What if you have 4 closers and 3 SP starting? That requires 7 slots.

My only point was it's not really a 5 bench when most leagues have an 8th P slot in that case only 4 bench.

 
589Sags
      ID: 552181620
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 10:38 		Btw, thanks for remembering the trade NC. I would never have remembered. I was wondering where that came from during my pick and hadn't been following the trade. Good to know that there is plenty of integrity with the players in the league.
 
590Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 10:58 		I have no designated pickers chosen. So even if my q was a s available, it shouldn't matter.

I often only have 7 pitchers on my roster. Only 5 or 6 are usually active. Just a wasted spot for me as it is.
 
591GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 11:05 		Right, as nerve says we also have less starting pitching slots, so you just have to kind of rotate that spot if you want to earn enough IP. So essentially that is an extra starting slot cause you can't commit it to a backup type.
 
592Boldwin
      ID: 302532010
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 11:53 		Taxman has been called and has been ruminating over his pick for a good ten minutes, so stay sharp bili.
 
593Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 11:56 		Tax certainly threw down the gauntlet on my dodger ass. My hope was to take league this pick and league "further", as a handcuff. Now I gotta decide if league is worth it on his own merits. Bastard.
 
594Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 12:00 		Kenley "further", I mean.
 
595nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 12:18 		Well I've read a lot about Taveras, and as recently as yesterday heard Olney talk about him on Baseball Tonight. Everyone says with Holliday, Beltran and Jon Jay in the outfield they are in no hurry to start the eligibility clock on him unless someone gets hurt. Of course that's possible with Beltran. And we know you think Holliday is brittle? It was always known Trout was coming up so that made complete sense to grab him. And this move will pay out if someone in St Louis gets injured.

If you've seen somewhere they plan on bringing him up in June I would love to read the reference because I would grab him in every re-draft league I am in.

As far as rotating closer potentials in and out I don't think it's risky. I left the draft last season with only Addison Reed as a closer (Sergios Santos never closed) and I came in 4th in saves. The year before I was dropping actual closers because I had 6 at one time. This league has gotten pretty soft on catching them. The extra bench slot will make it that much easier for managers who are on top of it.



 
596nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 12:24

I am headed to the roof to swim for half an hour (8:30 PM at night and 82 degrees out) the high was 95F today.

If my pick comes up while gone I will pick as soon as I get back.

 
597Tree
      ID: 562442011
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 12:44 		If you've seen somewhere they plan on bringing him up in June I would love to read the reference because I would grab him in every re-draft league I am in.

numerous places. but they do all say the same thing "possibly" and "lets be straight: there is not going to be a second coming of Mike Trout this season. Don't expect it."

i'd prefer not to include direct links at the present time, because i don't wanna share sources during the draft. :oD

but it's out there. and again, even if he doesn't produce for me this season, or i'm not in a contending position, he offers me a keeper for years to come.

i also think that at some point, we'll smarten up and move the prospect draft in front of the regular draft, so i wanted to get ahead of that curve as well.
 
598Boldwin
      ID: 302532010
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 12:52 		I've definately run into situations this year where it would have been beneficial to me to have an earlier prospect draft. Usually I like it the other way around tho.
 
599Bobo
      ID: 62592011
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 12:59 		i also think that at some point, we'll smarten up and move the prospect draft in front of the regular draft, so i wanted to get ahead of that curve as well.

I know I am still pretty new to this league, but this confuses me too...

Did we ever discuss that as a realistic option?
 
600Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 13:12 		<578> Unless a prospect is already projected to START on his MLB team, its a waste of a draft pick. Will that prospect even make the 7 man keeper cut the following year? Probably not unless he is a STARTER at a minimum. Not clear what Taveras' status is at this point.
 
601nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 13:14
Bobo I think everyone is just so focused on the regular draft that they want to get that out of the way first, but it certainly is worth a debate and then vote.

At the end of the day Tree did what any of the lesser teams could have done. I assure you I had Taveras on my mind well before the draft started but, you see my thought process in the post above. I hope I was right.

Tree I don't think it's so simple, if he's basically dead weight most of the year he can be a real drag on your team but then I usually make more roster moves then anyone in the league so it effects someone like me more.

I made 116 moves last year, you made 69 so the dead weight would hurt a team like mine more.

I literally draft with the intention of dropping a lot. Much harder with 14 more bench players this year.


 
602Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 13:23 		<579> Honestly, I feel hampered by the lack of bench slots, but I will adapt.

Anxious to see how this trading 2014 draft picks for closers/non-keepers is going to go at trade deadline. Might be interesting.
 
603Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 13:26 		<588> I think that 7 pitching slots is adequate. If you are running four RPs, then you just have to sit one when you have 4 SPs up that day. The 5 BN slots allow for flexibility in strategy.
 
604Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 13:27 		I hope it's more interesting than last year. Glad we have some traders among the new recruits.

I'll put out the standard plea not to browbeat folks when you think they have made a bad trade. It discourages further trading. Trading is fun. We need more.

I'm glancing furtively at you, nerve.
 
605GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 13:29 		re:600 Its not a waste of a draft pick at all if the guy will be up in a month or two. That's as good as drafting somebody who is hurt for that same time frame. Even better if its a potential long term keeper like Taveras.

Were Trout and Harper waste of draft picks last year cause they didn't start the season with the team?
 
606GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 13:30 		Adam Eaton, AZ OF is another guy that was eligible to go in the prospect draft... the pool gets thinner and thinner...
 
607Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 13:36 		Can someone tell if they picked Balfour for me?

I am not angry. I'm fine with pick.

I am just confused what happened, and currently very distrustful of graftime.

Thanks.
 
608nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 14:14
I'm glancing furtively at you, nerve.

Have I mentioned I like sour grapes.

Tree is once again the team to beat after that trade.



 
609nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 14:25
GO GO re:605

re:600 Its not a waste of a draft pick at all if the guy will be up in a month or two.

of course but he is not "expected" to come up in a month or two. Trout was.

The Cardinals have Jon Jay, Carlos Beltran, and Matt Holliday in the outfield.

Taveras is an outfielder.

If it was "expected" that he would come up in a month or two. I would have taken him earlier...and so would have Tree I am guessing.

If someone gets injured, don't come back and say seeeeeeee.

If one of the 3 is healthy, (Jon Jay, Carlos Beltran, and Matt Holliday ) and gets benched, then your point is taken.

Now Tree claims to have alternative info, but he, understandably doesn't want to share.

By the way how is your baby doing? Hope all is well.


 
610Tree
      ID: 562442011
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 14:44 		I'll put out the standard plea not to browbeat folks when you think they have made a bad trade. It discourages further trading. Trading is fun. We need more.

this.

I've definately run into situations this year where it would have been beneficial to me to have an earlier prospect draft. Usually I like it the other way around tho.

i think the new "norm" will be grabbing prospects in the regular draft. i am seeing it more and more - in some cases to the extreme. the number of prospects KEPT or taken in the D12 draft is ridiculous.

I made 116 moves last year, you made 69 so the dead weight would hurt a team like mine more.

didn't you drop Dickey? i'm wondering if making 115 moves might have changed the final standings.

Anxious to see how this trading 2014 draft picks for closers/non-keepers is going to go at trade deadline. Might be interesting.

i think it's critical to any league. it mirrors real baseball.

also think that at some point, we'll smarten up and move the prospect draft in front of the regular draft, so i wanted to get ahead of that curve as well.

I know I am still pretty new to this league, but this confuses me too...

Did we ever discuss that as a realistic option?

it has been discussed, but not enough people in favor of the change. i do believe in the discussion, GO, WG, and myself all discussed that keeping the prospect draft after the regular draft puts rebuilding teams at a disadvantage.

i just kept a rebuilding team from getting a top 10 prospect.

 
611GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 14:48 		Baby good. Just not sleeping at night.

Bili - I didn't make the pick. So I'm thinking probably Boldwin or Tree?

I don't personally think Jon Jay is gonna keep anybody down in AAA. And I guarantee all 3 don't stay healthy all year.
Obviously some people expect him to play a decent amount this year if he's getting Rookie of the Year consideration...
 
612Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 14:51 		I remember late night rocking in front of the computer. One the first of my 3 crowns he year my boy was an infant, tho I remember almost none of it. ;)
 
613Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 14:56 		<606> Rondon, RP, DET that I picked at 7.09 is also prospect eligible. He is being hyped as the new closer there. If he dont cut it, we will part ways.
 
614GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 14:58 		That's a good gamble.
 
615Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 15:11 		It's a good gamble, but I'm not sure it's a good gamble in the 7th round. Actual closers with jobs were still being selected a few picks before. Do you really rate a closer in waiting as high?
 
616Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 15:16 		Not sure what you mean by in waiting. Who is the closer in Detroit if not Rondon?
 
617GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 15:19 		You also took him right at his ADP -- you took him at approx the 200th pick. Thats not exactly paying alot for a young guy in the mix to close on a good team.
 
618WG
      ID: 517452514
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 15:21 		cant you check who picked for you simply by clicking on the player's name?
 
619Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 15:21 		Could be a number of guys. As far as I know they haven't said who is closing there yet. Prolly ronden, but nothing for sure, unless you've heard something?
 
620Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 15:24 		I did not know that. Baldwin picked him for me. Now things make sense.
 
621Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 15:42 		Leyland is tight lipped, but Rondon is looking pretty good. Only thing I read anywhere is opinion and guessing. I figure worst case is he is going to be a decent ERA/WHIP K/IP guy. As was mentioned earlier, 7th round is a good gamble.
 
622GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 15:46 		as its also essentially the 14th round of a normal draft...
 
623Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 15:56 		The biggest question marks for closer DET, HOU, CHI have all had speculative picks now. Veras is perhaps the most sure thing, but he hasnt closed before and many think if he falters he will get yanked.
 
624nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 16:11
Tree didn't you drop Dickey? i'm wondering if making 115 moves might have changed the final standings.

Oh no doubt, if I hadn't dropped Dickey and you hadn't picked him up, I would have ended up higher then 3rd, and you would have ended up lower then 7th.

But what does that prove? You cherry picked one move. You have to look at all of them in context not just pick one.

In 2011 when I won the league I made 155 moves. If I had made 116 maybe I would have lost?

Poli baseball 2011
 
625nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 16:17

Post 624 is an Homage to GO 's bravado about past glory.

;)

 
627Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 16:23 		Did you notice how I subtly mentioned I own all of you with my 3 titles, in 612? Since I will likely never muster enough time energy and luck to get a 4th, I want to make sure everyone including the noobies knows who is king around here. It ain't boldwin. ;)
 
628Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 16:32 		I have never finished below first place. That's a record you cant touch.
 
629Tree
      ID: 562442011
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 16:35 		re: 624 - i was making a joke.

 
630Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 16:37 		Wow. I'm sorry you wont maintain that perfect record!
 
631WG
      ID: 517452514
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 17:24 		i didnt wanna miss out on all this prospect fun
 
632Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 17:38 		That's who I'd been watching, WG. Thought he'd call a few more rounds at least.
 
633Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 17:39 		Probably saved me from myself as I don't yet have a 3rd ( some would say 2nd) OFer.

 
634Jseth33
      ID: 312312017
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 18:31 		All prospects all the time...apparently...
 
635PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 18:39 		Who cares really? I don't get why it's a big deal.
 
636Boldwin
      ID: 302532010
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 19:04 		It's been talked to death here already.

I really like Punk's team. If he gets anything like the upside his team has, he could be a problem.
 
637PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 19:17 		My last few picks are the only downside to Draftime. Was in a meeting all day so ended up with B2B OF because of how my queue was used up. Still not terrible, just kind of blah when it happens.
 
638Boldwin
      ID: 302532010
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 19:26 		And Punk has Yelich...sheesh. Nice.
 
639Tree
      ID: 562442011
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 19:49 		Who cares really? I don't get why it's a big deal

it makes it that much tougher for younger teams to build. i'm betting the vast majority of prospects - either through keepers or through this year's draft - are taken. going to make our prospect draft a little silly i think.
 
640PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 20:08 		But then it's hard to say that said prospect will end up on the team after a month or two if they are still in the minors. Also what would you say is the rate of our prospects staying with the team after they hit their limits? Remember they would have to be a top 7 person in your view to keep them at that point. Probably 1/10 would be my guess.
 
641Tree
      ID: 562442011
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 20:16 		But then it's hard to say that said prospect will end up on the team after a month or two if they are still in the minors.

it makes them ineligible for the prospect draft in that current season, because we do the prospect draft after the regular draft.

if each team drafted only 2 prospects, that's 28 prospects out of the pool. add to that the 3 keepers per team, and that's potentially the top 70 prospects completely unavailable to be drafted in the draft that was created for them.
 
642Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 20:44 		Is this the way every year goes? A whole bunch of players who wont make the team immediately after Spring training getting drafted early? Or is this just a new phenomenon?

So far there are only three I didn't see coming:

Tavares, Puig and Bradley who most reports have going to the minors

Many others went earlier than I would have thought though.
 
643PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 20:51 		Occasionally, but I don't remember it being this much.
 
644Tree
      ID: 562442011
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 21:09 		i blame Mike Trout and Bryce Harper.

usually a couple prospects get drafted in there regular draft, but they're usually taken late. Two come to mind from last season, and they were taken in the last two rounds.
 
645PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 21:19 		You mean when Harper was one of my prospects and I called him up in the last round?
 
646Boldwin
      ID: 302532010
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 21:32 		Trout was taken in a prospect draft.
 
647Boldwin
      ID: 302532010
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 21:33 		Not checking the draft hourly in the evenings does brutal things to a draft. We gotta tighten up the limits in the evenings.
 
648PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 21:33 		Are you talking about Montero?
 
649Boldwin
      ID: 302532010
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 21:34 		And it's pretty easy to set a two or three player Q. I really don't understand failing to do that.
 
650PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 21:45 		Queue's have been set for almost everyone, it's that they aren't to autodraft after a certain time, or they don't have designated pickers setup to take someone.
 
651Tree
      ID: 562442011
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 21:47 		re Trout and Harper - no to 645 and 646. i'm not referring to how they were acquired in this league, per se.

i blame people taking prospects in the regular draft due to their rise as very young players making a huge impact after starting the season in the minors.

 
652PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 21:50 		Tree smells like Maple
 
653Tree
      ID: 562442011
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 21:56 		well, considering the amount of beer i drink, i'd go with pine.

but i'll take maple.
 
654Boldwin
      ID: 302532010
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 22:00 		Does anyone have contact info for C1?
 
655Boldwin
      ID: 302532010
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 22:02 		I would agree that Trout in particular turned people's heads around looking at rookies.

Kinda like rookie QB's have a whole new vibe these days.
 
656Boldwin
      ID: 48202022
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 23:02 		I left a message on WG's system.

It would be helpful if everyone who has given me a phone# tell me what timezone they are in and what limits they want on how late I call.
 
657PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 23:21 		WG is EST
 
658Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 09:49 		Mountain Time here....go Rockies!
 
659GO
      ID: 120252515
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 10:21 		Everyone wants to find the next Trout or Harper for right now... and if this continues from year to year the prospect pool will be further diluted because of it... further keeping the rebuilding teams with top prospect picks down.

But at least it can't be said I didn't try and help the little guy! But I'm cool with the Republican style of trickle down prospect-nomics... I'll pick them and trade them down to the bottom-feeders. But like was stated in #18/19 that's what makes this league different etc.

I'm not sure why Taveras' caught you off guard Bean - he's on many peoples potential Rookie of the Year lists and is being picked at the end of most single season leagues - so of course thats only gonna move him up even higher in a keeper league.
 
660GO
      ID: 120252515
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 10:27 		and for anyone who thinks it was just one or two players.., at first glance prospect eligible guys that went in the regular draft include Tom Wilhemsen, Addison Reed, Matt Harvey, Josh Rutledge, Gyorko, Taveras, Eaton, Jackie Bradley, Rondon, Steve Cishek, Trevor Rosenthal, HyuJin Ryu
 
661WG
      ID: 38250219
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 10:51 		not sure what the rookie limits are but it seems odd that guys like wilhelmsen, reed, harvey, rutledge, and cishek could be had in the prospect draft. also not sure what their actual usage was last year, but i thought they all played a substantial amount. what if a compromise was lowering the AB and IP that needs to be passed to lose rookie eligility + moving the prospect draft ahead of the regular draft. that way the regular draft is diluted a bit less with the aforementioned guys not having been taken already in the p draft.
 
662Boldwin
      ID: 10259219
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 10:59 		If I'm not mistaken, don't we have a rule that if a player has already been rostered by a manager, that player is no longer eligible to be picked in the prospect draft?
 
663Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 11:15 		I'm not sure why Taveras' caught you off guard Bean

I guess I look at my keepers differently, and maybe I am wrong. In general its only the top four or five that I am going to look at as the core of my team, the last few are just the best on my team RIGHT NOW.

Rookie of the Year honors is a great accomplishment (and he hasn't won it BTW, he is being mentioned as a possible candidate), but even that doesn't guarantee a guy to be a top 7 player for me. Here is a list of RoY winners from 2000:

AL
2000 Kasuhiru Sasaki
2001 Ichiro Suzuki
2002 Eric Hinske
2003 Angel Berroa
2004 Bobby Crosby
2005 Houston Street
2006 Justin Verlander
2007 Dustin Pedroia
2008 Evan Longoria
2009 Andrew Bailey
2010 Neftali Feliz
2011 Jeremy Hellickson
2012 Mike Trout

NL
2000 Rafael Furcal
2001 Albert Pujols
2002 Jason Jennings
2003 Dontrelle Willis
2004 Jason Bay
2005 Ryan Howard
2006 Hanley Ramirez
2007 Ryan Braun
2008 Geovany Soto
2009 Chris Coughlin
2010 Buster Posey
2011 Craig Kimbrel
2012 Bryce Harper

Some great names in these lists, but some guys I am scratching my head trying to remember too. Draw your own conclusions.

A) We keep 98 players each year. Bottom Line for me is that if a guy isn't top 100 Yahoo rating, he is likely at best a marginal keeper, it's simple accounting.

B) We have only 5 bench slots each year, so every roster slot is essential if you want to be competitive THIS YEAR.

For me A+B=C

C) So far there are only three I didn't see coming:

Tavares, Puig and Bradley who most reports have going to the minors


 
665C1-NRB
      ID: 451120913
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 11:29 		If I'm not mistaken, don't we have a rule that if a player has already been rostered by a manager, that player is no longer eligible to be picked in the prospect draft?

I thought this was the "Prior Rule" but it's not. I think you're thinking about the old prospect rule that said once you called up a prospect he lost prospect eligbility. Under the new prospect rule, though, a prospect is still a prospect until he hits the threshhold.

The gamesmanship I see is managers grabbing prospects to keep them off other managers "true" prospect list this season. If the player doesn't reach the threshold (am I spelling that right? I've tried it both ways and neither one looks correct) this season, that manager would need to decide if it would be worth a keeper spot to tie them up for next season or "release them back into the wild" and take their chances. My strategy, if I may out myself, has been to nab mid-late season callups (if I'm not in contention) to see what they do "just in case." I worked out in 2009 when I popped on Andrew Bailey and kept him for 2010. It hasn't work out other times (Bryan LaHair, I'm looking at [for] you.)
 
666WG
      ID: 38250219
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 11:39 		damn, i wasted my 4th pick on a closer!? i could have had oscar taveras there.

i dont think anyone taking a prospect is doing it for any other reason than they think that guy is gonna be awesome and contribute sooner rather than later.
 
667PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 11:42 		Actually the rumor is that Bradley might be starting. Saw that right before he was picked by someone.
 
668Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 11:54 		Read the same recently about Bradley. If Ortiz comes back before he can show his stuff, he is history though.
 
669Jseth33
      ID: 42272111
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 12:07 		Quite possible that they send Bradley down for the few days it will take to hold control over him for another year...but I expect he won't be there long...
 
670PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 12:21 		He would most likely have to be down till Mid-May to avoid Super-2 status.
 
671GO
      ID: 120252515
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 12:30 		Yeah, most of these guys are down there til May as Punk illustrates.

But yeah, basically anyone rumored to make the roster or be up early like Bradley is worth taking a chance on. He's a lottery ticket at this point in the draft. And if it doesn't work out then you cut him for the next hot player.
 
672PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 12:38 		Also though if you bring someone up opening day, or in Mid-may you're not really gaining a year with them often because of the Super-2. You're just causing the player to have 4 years of Arbitration and not 3. Now if you bring them up in August or so then you're gaining an extra year of team control.
 
673Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 13:56 		A year ago, Julio Teheran was the #5 prospect in baseball, before getting shelled in spring games and sucking in AAA last year.

This spring, he's lights out, and looks to start the year in the Braves' rotation. I had him slotted as my 1st prospect pick(either him or Jedd Gyorko), but after watching prospects go and go early, I couldn't risk waiting for the prospect draft, or even hope he'd still be there in the later rounds.

The entire strategy has been altered, but I predict very few, if any, will be keepers on 2014 rosters.
 
674Tree
      ID: 292462112
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 14:12 		The entire strategy has been altered, but I predict very few, if any, will be keepers on 2014 rosters.

this may be true.

but there's no reason why the strategy won't be any different next year, unless the prospect draft is moved.
 
675GO
      ID: 120252515
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 14:31 		Teheran has certainly been maddening.

And yeah, everyone's looking for that lottery ticket and these young guys are their shot.
 
676Boldwin
      ID: 10259219
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 15:10 		Wow, Werth and Hart in the 11 [18th] round. That is some kinda value picking. Minor injury issues but still...
 
677Tree
      ID: 292462112
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 15:17 		i'd hardly consider either injury minor.

Werth's wrist is still a concern, and he's not confident he'll regain his power. without that, he's a guy who hits .270 with 15 stolen bases.

Corey Hart less so, but a 30 year old with a bum knee could be problematic. i'm definitely happy with someone else taking that risk.
 
678GO
      ID: 120252515
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 15:23 		What round did those guys go like 3 years ago? Amazing how quick they fall.
 
679Boldwin
      ID: 10259219
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 15:44 		Tree

At this point in the draft they are like lottery picks. Half a chance they are top 15-20 outfielders almost for free. People are doing it left and right for rookie players with less chance of actually living up to it, and who do not go on the manager's prospect list.
 
680Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 16:01 		News confirming injury to Hanley Ramirez forced me to alter my draft strategy. Glad Scutaro was in my plans as a utility replacement that I could rely on, was just a couple rounds early.
 
681Boldwin
      ID: 10259219
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 16:53 		It's 1 AM in Dubai and he doesn't have his auto-pick set. Not lookin' good.
 
682Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 17:01 		Projected Finish: Mar 23, 2013, 9:03 pm

You worried?
 
683Tree
      ID: 292462112
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 17:49 		Projected Finish: Mar 23, 2013, 9:03 pm

this was point all along with all the snafus. we always finish well before the season starts, and the draft is relative fast using Draft Time.
 
684Boldwin
      ID: 10259219
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 19:05 		3 AM Dubai
 
685Boldwin
      ID: 10259219
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 19:17 		Do we all agree then, that the rule is we can prospect draft anyone under the limits, no matter whether they've been rostered? How is the rule worded then to prevent prospect drafting someone already on our roster, or someone else's?
 
686Tree
      ID: 292462112
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 19:46 		How is the rule worded then to prevent prospect drafting someone already on our roster, or someone else's?

it's not, because it doesn't need to be. i think it's pretty obvious you can't draft someone already on another person's roster.
 
687Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 19:50

It's 1 AM in Dubai and he doesn't have his auto-pick set. Not lookin' good.

Sorry thought I had autopick on.

Thursday is the weekend here.

3:45AM just got home from a nightclub and then spicy chicken wrap from the all night starwars sexy cafe in the restaurant below my building.

Hope your Friday is as good as my Thursday



 
688Tree
      ID: 292462112
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 20:08 		I'll be picking for Sags. he messaged me earlier and said he was heading into the mountains again, with little or no signal.

asked me to draft as if it were my team, with a few other parameters i'd prefer not to share here during the draft, as to not give away his strategy.
 
689Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 20:09

auto pick set night ya'll

 
690Tree
      ID: 292462112
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 20:12 		went with Ackley for Sags. he didn't have a second baseman, i felt Ackley was the best available, and he's definitely being picked now below his ADP, so he's a bargain at this point.
 
691Boldwin
      ID: 10259219
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 20:40 		Taxman, Nerve and Bili need to double-check the rounds 14-15 and make sure we have got the last two rounds right. Since it was set up thinking rounds 16-17 existed, and were the last two rounds, adjustments needed to be made. Check up on us.
 
692Boldwin
      ID: 10259219
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 20:44 		Tree

So are we saying for example that Bobo has placed his marker on Fujikawa and only he can prospect draft him? I would have been drafting a bit differently if I had known that.

Or are we saying now that Fujikawa is on a regular roster he can't be prospect drafted by anyone?
 
693Boldwin
      ID: 10259219
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 20:45 		BTW WG has been messaged 15 minutes ago. No response. I'm napping now.
 
694Tree
      ID: 292462112
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 20:50 		ok. so clarify for me - our draft is NOT 17 rounds, but rather 15?

re 692 - you can't draft a person that is already on a roster, so if he already draft Fujikawa this season, you can't draft him also.

if he doesn't keep Fujikawa, then you can draft him next season, because he's not a roster. it's not complicated.
 
695Boldwin
      ID: 10259219
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 20:59 		Can he prospect draft him this year?
 
696Tree
      ID: 292462112
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 21:05 		:: bangs head against wall ::

no. he cannot prospect draft him. he has already been drafted in the regular draft, and is, thusly, rostered. please see the post above about not being able to draft someone already on a roster.
 
697Boldwin
      ID: 10259219
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 21:08 		Now you see one of the many many reasons I don't want to live in a liberal world with petty rules everywhere you turn. Me and rules don't get along very well.
 
698Tree
      ID: 292462112
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 21:11 		what petty rule!?!? that you can't draft someone already on a roster??

good lord, you've lost it completely.
 
699Boldwin
      ID: 10259219
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 21:54 		And yer sticking to this rule when guys wanna keep 'their' Fujikawa?
 
700Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 22:02 		News confirming injury to Hanley Ramirez forced me to alter my draft strategy.

Me too, which is why I drafted Dee Gordon. Even though his spring BA is only .245, his OBP is .405. He's tied for 2nd in runs with 19 fewer at bats than Puig. Hopefully, he'll be kicking such positive butt by the time Han-Ram comes back that they'll keep Gordon at SS and move Ramirez to 3rd.
 
701taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 22:17 		Baldwin re 691

see post 572

billi has tax's 14th round pick
 
702Boldwin
      ID: 332562122
      Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 23:56 		Taxman

That seems to be done right at drafttime atm.
 
703Boldwin
      ID: 332562122
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 00:25 		bili

Explain to me the benefit of drafting a guy who won't be up in the bigs for two years? You just kept him out of the prospect draft and clogged up yer roster.

And screwed me out of my prospect pick.
 
704Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 00:48 		I've seen some discussion about the timing of the prospect draft relative to the active roster draft. Seems you all have studied this alot, both for offensive and defensive reasons. Just a thought, but is there any reason we couldnt do prospect drafts simultaneous with the active roster draft?

As long as there is a time limit to picks, the gaming of this stuff could be greatly reduced.

 
705Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 00:56 		I am not supposed to have a last round pick. I believe t goes to Bobo for Austin Jackson trade.

 
706PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 01:04 		Ok so which round is the last round? And if it isn't the one that's showing now, is there a way to change it, or email KKB to fix it?
 
707biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 08:09 		Boldwin - error.

I put him at the bottom of my queue to remind myself to research him. I didn't intend to draft him.
 
708biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 08:17 		Rotoguru:He probably won't see any action with the Cubs this season, but check back this time next year as he could be in competition for a starting gig in 2014.

It may be worth keeping him, but unlikely.
 
709biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 08:24 		If I cut him before the prospect draft starts...

Sheeeeeeit. I don't want to cause no cussin'.
 
710PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 08:37 		Anyone if the draft is ending at the 15th or 17th round?
 
711biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 08:38 		15th.
 
712PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 08:41 		Tree if we get to you in the 15th round, please text me.
 
713Boldwin
      ID: 332562122
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 09:05 		I am totally on board a gentlemen's 'sure bili can drop Baez for a last round redo'.
 
714Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 10:08 		Why is the draft paused?
 
715Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 10:53 		Billi would you give my 15 th round pick to Bobo?

 
716biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 11:15 		Done.
 
717Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 11:34

Cheers

 
718nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 11:44

Billi what is your strategy? Stock piling closers to trade Tree at the trade deadline?

 
719Boldwin
      ID: 332562122
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:03 		Seriously triple check these picks in the last two rounds against the trades made.
 
720Boldwin
      ID: 332562122
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:08 		I am still trying to make some sense of why I placed WG with Nerve's last pick and the only thing I can come up with is that I confused WG with Bobo. If that is the explanation, we have it fixed now.
 
721Boldwin
      ID: 332562122
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:12 		#566 - Nerve trades: Austin Jackson/OF and 2nd to last Round Draft Pick to Bobo

This is not showing up correctly in Drafttime. Can someone good at these drafttime corrections address this?
 
722Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:14 		Once we are done with drafts this year, would it be possible to have a summary of who gets what picks in the 2014 draft and 2014 prospect draft (and beyond if it applies)?
 
723Boldwin
      ID: 332562122
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:17 		Now I'm starting to think someone incorrectly gave Bobo, Nerve's last pick instead of Nerve's 14th which would have been correct.

Please let's get this corrected before we get to 14.12, because I'll have to shut the draft down at that point as it stands.
 
724Boldwin
      ID: 332562122
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:18 		Looks like Nerve made the mistake in #715 and bili carried it out.
 
725Boldwin
      ID: 332562122
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:19 		attention bili

Bobo should have gotten Nerve's 14.12, instead of 15.12.
 
726nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:22

OK I will not pick at 14.12 even if not corrected.

Baldwin originally he was given no pick. My mistake if I advised the wrong one.

 
727biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:22 		Fixed.
 
728Boldwin
      ID: 332562122
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:24 		One of us fixed it anyway. I completed a swap. Now bili says he did...wierd.
 
729biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:25 		uh oh.
 
730Boldwin
      ID: 332562122
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:26 		Hey bili. I had Franklin Gutierrez in his magical year and he's been a puzzle to me ever since. What was your evidence or thinking that he was worth the gamble now? I'm assuming you have local intel maybe?
 
731Boldwin
      ID: 332562122
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:27 		Ok, bili, it's backwards again. Who is gonna fix, you or me?
 
732biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:28 		No. I'm just desperate for another OF. I got sucked up in March Madness, and didn't realize I didn't have 3.

It's basically taking a gamble that he stays healthy. A poor gamble, but his numbers when on the field last year were decent.

I think I had him as a prospect, so I have a soft spot.
 
733biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:28 		you
 
734WG
      ID: 38250219
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:29 		I traded my 5th pick to nerve for Scherzer, Latos, and his last pick
 
735biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:29 		Nerve - no strategy. I just am running with so-so starters, so I need help from my pen.
 
737Boldwin
      ID: 332562122
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:42 		Ok, I fixed 15.12 to read it as WG's pick. Everyone sees that as correct, right?
 
738Boldwin
      ID: 332562122
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 12:50 		I'm going to confess a blindspot. How do they figure out what teams they give a day off to, and which teams play on light schedule days? Is there any predictable pattern?
 
739Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 13:04 		Cashner - and another prospect bites the dust.
 
740Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 13:34 		Cashner was on my prospect list before the season started. I dropped him. You think he is keeper worthy?
 
741Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 13:36 		Hard to tell with a young power pitcher, but the dude can hit 100 with his fastball.
 
742GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 13:45 		I don't think there is any predictable pattern to scheduling Boldwin other than Monday and Thursday are lighter days for travelling purposes.

Cashner - he's certainly not as good as Wheeler or Wil... but he might be better than what is left for the prospect draft.
 
743Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 13:52 		In hindsight maybe he could have been a #3 keeper. I didnt see all of these prospects being scooped up before the prospect draft though. Good luck with him in any case.
 
744Boldwin
      ID: 332562122
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 14:18 		My theory is that those baseball geniuses in Atlanta have fixed Maholm. Really liked that Buchholz pick right after that tho.
 
745Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 14:21 		Cashner will hit his prospect limit probably by June, so you've got to hope he hits the ground running if he were a prospect.
 
746Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 15:21 		Taxman's pick is actually Drew Storen. Since Storen got screwed up on drafttime and cannot be picked there, I picked a placeholder for him, and we will all acknowledge that Taxman has Storen.
 
747Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 15:30 		Wow, that is some kinda OF desperation!
 
748Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 15:44 		I was going to get a head start entering rosters, but it looks like Tree hasn't left me as co-commish on Yahoo this year.

After the botched draft pick entries on drafttime I am OK with this.
 
749Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 16:16 		BUMP <722>

Once we are done with drafts this year, would it be possible to have a summary of who gets what picks in the 2014 draft and 2014 prospect draft (and beyond if it applies)?
 
750Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 16:34 		There is your assignment.
 
751Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 16:45 		Come on. With a name like Jordany Valdaspin, I would of used my last pick on him if all he played was the pan flute.


Just because he watches the pitches in the strike zone and swings at all the others doesn't mean he won't acheive fantastic success.
 
752taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 16:46 		re:746 Thanks Bo;dy...Drew Storen is my actual 15th round selection. For Draftime purposes, Stolmy Pimentel is used only as a place-keeper.
 
753Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 17:02 		re 749 - let's start here. Poli Baseball transactions 2013 and beyond
 
754Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 17:10 		my 15th round pick is me calling up Will Middlebrooks from my prospect list. i am using Eric Hinske as a placeholder. i did not even know he was still around.
 
755Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 17:20 		Punk is calling up prospect Manny Machado for his 15th round pick. place holder is Clint "Deer Meat" Barmes.
 
756Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 17:22 		You planning on inputting the rosters today, Tree?

WG called, message left.
 
757Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 17:34 		nope. that's you Baldwin. you're the one doing the draft and the rosters, like last season. if we need to have someone else do that, i can name them co-commish as well.

but my weekend is filled - i'm about to head out for a three-day roller derby tournament that will keep me at the venue for about 30 of the next 48 hours, not including the half hour each way back and forth.
 
758Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 17:34 		Aaaaand GO has the last pick.
 
759Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 17:35 		Tree

I couldn't get it to let me input. Thot I wasn't listed co-commmish.
 
760Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 17:38 		Ok, I got it. Teams weren't finalized. Expect them up in couple hours.
 
761Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 17:57 		muchos gracias.
 
762Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 18:12

Baldone thanks for all your hard work with all the other things you have going on in your life.

 
763Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 19:00 		Echo Nerve. Thanks for the hard work Boldwin. It is appreciated.
 
764Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 19:15 		Mos def.
 
765PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 19:24 		Daft Punk.
 
766C1-NRB
      ID: 202101423
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 19:45 		Props to ya, Baoldwin.
 
767Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 19:48 		League consensus. Are we sticking bili with baez who won't be up for two years or are we letting him repick?
 
768Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 19:52 		We're quite the gentlemanly league, but not a lotta excuse for it other than basketball distraction. Letting him repick keeps Baez in the prospect pool.
 
769Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 19:56 		For the benefit of the newcomers the reason I think we are so gentlemanly about situations like this is that we want to beat the very best that bili can come up with. Not the distracted bili. It's an expert league after all. Toughest league I ever played in.
 
770Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 19:58 		Can't finish till I get some agreement on bili's draft.
 
771PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 20:36 		Ba/oldwin my last pick (Vampirez) is Manny Machado not
22. (305) Clint Barmes (Pit - SS)
 
772Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 20:39 		Fixed

Still need input on bili's pick of Baez.

All else is entered.
 
773PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 20:45 		Thanks!
 
774Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 20:46 		When I play poker, a bet laid is a bet played.

It has been my experience that when rules are loosely interpreted, ill feelings result. It's because I hate to see ill feelings over a game, that I like it when the rules are not flexible.

That said, I wont copmplain however this is handled, as long as the approach is consistent over time. It's always best when the exception to the rule immediately becomes a DOCUMENTED rule.

So, if you want a unanimous decision here, you will have no choice but to define what is and what is not an acceptable reason for changing a draft pick. I assume he could simply drop the player and pick up another subject to some waiver priority.

 
775Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 20:53 		Yeah, agreed on make the ruling apply across the board.

There isn't a lotta difference between keeping it as is, giving him first pick before the WW, or him just beating us to it.

The biggest difference is whether Baez gets limited from the prospect pool. Being a Cub fan I can't claim to be a disinterested party. You are welcome to question how much that is coloring my position.
 
776Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 20:57 		To me this is similar to some guy picking a guy who just broke his leg. We don't just snicker in our sleeves. We point it out. That's our history. The most elementary Rotoworld search says right up front he aint playin for two years.

Now granted we don't go back and give a guy a repick if he breaks his leg tomorrow.

Can you imagine the Cubs catching lightning in a bottle and being forced to bring him up to contend? I can't. Too many missing pieces.
 
777Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 20:59 		Anyway, I need about 5 votes or so, people.
 
778Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 20:59 		We cant drop players between the drafts? When does the prospect draft occur? Do we use Draft Time for that, or just a thread here in the forum.
 
779Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 21:04 		Good point about him being able to drop him. Not using the Yahoo tools but I can still leave that slot in his roster blank.

We would have to do it here. Only a small portion of prospects would be in their database.
 
780Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 21:07 		That would be a pretty good compromise. bili agrees to drop him before the prospect draft. I leave his roster with a slot open, which would prolly let him pick a player earlier than anyone else can since he'd have an opening and they can't drop players immediately.

If Tree and bili agree on that I'll go with that. Otherwise I need a decent sized vote.
 
781Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 21:17 		Let's look at a worst case scenario. Am I opening up the pandora's box of anyone who doesn't like their already drafted prospect making late claims to change? What do you say then? You didn't complain before the rosters were set in stone on Yahoo? Technically bili didn't complain, I did.

Give me some guidance Mr Consensus.
 
782Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 21:34 		OK, now that I know we do the prospect draft on a rotoguru thread, what is the target date for start and finish, and do we have some kind of clock?
 
783Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 21:54 		We have to finish it before we lose one of our managers. We'll prolly start it informally tomorrow, no time limits necessary.
 
784biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 22:18 		I really don't care myself. It probably won't effect my team one way or the other.

Mainly Baldwin wants a shot at getting his young cubbie, and I can understand that.
 
785Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 22:27 		Tree, how do you like #780?
 
786Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 22:28 		The chances I get him are slim. It's just a waste as it is.
 
787PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 22:32 		Prospect draft ASAP pleaseeee.

 
788WG
      ID: 3811221423
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 22:42 		I vote let Bili drop Baez and let him enter the P draft... its for the greater good!
 
789Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 22:50 		Dude, it's only three rounds. Relax. We'll be done with the prospect draft by Tuesday. I'll build the page tomorrow. No clock needed even.
 
790C1-NRB
      ID: 202101423
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 22:50 		Re: bili's situation: I see it as an example, albeit an unintentional example, of the "gamesmanship" I described in post 665. bili accidently took a prospect-eligible player because his queue wasn't long enough to "protect" him, thereby preventing anyone else from prospect-drafting him this season. He "prospect-blocked" us, if you will.

In the spirit of the game and the rules as they play out, he can drop Baez as soon as the season starts if he chooses to, and someone else can take their chances on him and put him on the "40 man roster" (to use an MLB term) but he won't be available to put on a prospect list.

Next season, unless somebody rosters him and claims him as a "keeper," Baez is free agent and we start the process again.

Just my $0.02
 
791Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 22:52 		Dont know if you validate the rosters in Yahoo before starting the season, but I checked the draft results and Bean's Senators seems to be correct.
 
792Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 23:11 		That would be:

1) go to Yahoo League,
2) click on draft central tab,
3) click on draft results,
4) click on team tab,
4) verify team draft results to what you think you should have on your team,
5) post here that you believe its correct or changes required,
6) Boldwin knows its all OK for all 14 teams and can click start season
7) We now can set ineupss, add/drop players etc

Just pluggin holes ;)
 
793C1-NRB
      ID: 202101423
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 23:23 		My roster is good to go, err... as I drafted.
 
794Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 23:29 		It's been my experience that it takes a couple days to be able to pick up players.
 
795Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 23:59 		After 'sleeping on it' for about one minute finally on the pillow...

...I can't be 'fixing' a guy's roster who hasn't even requested it.

I am entering it as drafted. Your teams will be up in a few minutes.
 
796Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 00:03 		Here's a twist. Baez isn't in Yahoo's player base. I am just leaving it blank.
 
797Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 00:39 		We used to have a rule [Prior Rule] that you couldn't pick anyone not in the Yahoo player databse. No one checked Baez for that. All the other rookies picked were in there.
 
798Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 00:58 		It's lonely at the top Boldwin

;)
 
799Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 01:41 		as previously mentioned, i've been out all night with roller derby commitments.

as for Bili's draft of Baez, i am of the belief that he is Bili's player. He drafted him, mistake or not. i realize that's hardline, but this is a Pandora's box we cannot open.

if we allow it, it'll happen every season. someone will claim they made a mistake, etc etc.

Baez is Bili's pick. as has happened in other leagues, as well as this one, we put a "placeholder" on his team because Baez is not in Yahoo.

Bili can choose to keep him rosters, or he can drop him.

because he was drafted in the regular draft, he is not eligible for this season's prospect draft.

this is pretty standard. we can't allow this box to be opened.
 
800taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 01:47 		Tax Havens draft entered correctly. To repeat p/c @ Baldy this afternoon, thanks for your efforts in making this draft/league happen.

I agree with Bean's a card laid is a card played AND disagree with WG. There is no greater good, at least in fantasy sports. No more new rules and no do-overs. If we got do-overs, Texas would have beat St. Louis in the World Serious a couple of seasons ago. Every pitch counts (as it should)...and every draft pick counts. If that screws the pooch on a prospect, so be it.

And on that subject, I disagree with Sags having changed his keepers after the deadline. I don't follow this board except during season set up and draft. I was told once "if you snooze, you lose". It applies. Sags snoozed, but was some awarded a do-over (and I don't know by whom). The rules have been unforgiving since I have been in this league and don't provide for do-overs. Not by rule..and not by a majority (or less) vote. If there was a rule change, it was always mandated to be prospective (affect future years, not current year) if you could accumulate (read that as get anyone to vote) majority support. Nor has players name presence in yahoo data base ever affected a Poli league draft in which I have partaken.
 
801biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 05:32 		Yeah, I pretty much agree. Baez is mine, all mine!!

I don't recall when we changed the rule that was in place for years that the player had to be in yahoo, but it sounds like we did. I'm good with that.
 
802Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 05:35 		I'm reconciled with the outcome, but I challenge anyone to find where we repealed the Prior Rule.
 
803Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 09:51 		I challenge anyone to find where we repealed the Prior Rule.


i don't believe we did.

instead, last season, we set a precedent. (see posts 385 to whatever)

it's one of those rules that may have made sense in time, but not so much anymore.
 
804Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 10:14 		I sure like Nerve#417.
 
805Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 10:20 		I dunno. Just cause we let some guy in his first year go with a warning, doesn't seem the same as repealing the rule. bili isn't Bobo year one.
 
806Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 10:31 		The pause that refreshes.

Some people think it significant that Matt Latos



is married to

Dallas Latos



Not you necessarily, I'm just sayin' some people might find that interesting.

Could it be the tats?
 
807PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 16:31 		Looks like in the prospect draft order there should be more 3rd round picks for the people who called up prospects in the 15th round of the draft.

My opinion on the 'Prior rule', the old way where it was strictly drafting on Rotoguru and looking at Yahoo it was easier to see who would be available. But moving the draft (so much quicker) would then add checking everyone in Yahoo to see if they are there compared to Drafttime. I think it should be repealed since it already has been a bit. Also back at the time of it's creation I believe Yahoo wasn't adding players that weren't part of the MLBPA (40 man rosters) and slowly started adding more and more prospects over the years. Now they add all sorts of players, I believe it's so they didn't have to worry about one day each week adding people who came up, or throwing a random good player into the pool who could be scooped up at anytime of their callup to whichever managers were sitting there at the time.
 
808PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 16:45 		I believe this is the current Prospect Keepers, everyone look right?

Bean Will Myers, OF, TB
Bean Zach Wheeler, P, NYM

GO Mark Appel, P, College
GO Mike Zunino, C, FLA
GO Francisco Lindor, SS, CLE

Bobo Mason Williams, OF, NYY
Bobo Bubba Starling, OF, KC
Bobo Trevor Bauer, SP, CLE

C1 Mike Olt, 3B, TEX
C1 Aaron Hicks, OF, MIN

jseth333 Anthony Gose, OF, TOR
jseth333 Jonathan Singleton, 1B, HOU

taxman Yasmani Grandal, C SD
taxman Martin Perez, OF, TX
taxman Jurickson Profar, MI, TX

pancho Drew Pomerantz, P, COL

WG Billy Hamilton, OF, CIN
WG Nick Castellanos, OF, DET

Nerve Archie Bradley, P, ARI
Nerve Gerrit Cole, P, PIT

Biliruben Miguel Sano, 2B, MIN
Biliruben Xander Bogaerts, SS, BOS
Biliruben Nolan Arenado, 3B, COL

Boldwin Tyler Skaggs, P, ARI
Boldwin Cory Spangenberg, 2B, SD

Tree Dylan Bundy, P, BAL
Tree Starling Marte, OF, PIT

Punk Christian Yelich, OF, MIA
Punk Travis D'Arnaud, C, TOR

Saggs Jameson Taillon, P, PIT
Saggs Shelby Miller, P, STL
Saggs Taylor Green, 3B, MIL
 
809WG
      ID: 38250219
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 16:50 		I also have Anthony Rendon
 
810Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 18:05 		1) Kinda wierd to be trading third round picks when you don't have a third round pick. I suppose WG and Tree's trades were kosher and I spose I entered the results right, but it still feels kinda hinky somehow.

2) My understanding is that if you move a prospect up after you made your keeper declaration, you do not get an immediate compensation pick. You've simply used a prospect keeper on your squad. You are not owed 5 prospect keepers at all times. Trading them away without getting an immediate compensation pick happens all the time. Bringing them up to your big league roster happens all the time without getting an immediate compensation prospect pick. You fill that slot next year.

I'm so tired atm [and I am so allergic to rule minutia for that matter] that I'm not sure I'm seein' that right, but that's my sense of it.
 
811Boldwin
      ID: 282212214
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 18:07 		OK, if WG has 3 prospect keepers going in, then he only gets a pick in the third round in Tree's slot, not where his original would be.
 
812Boldwin
      ID: 2222319
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 21:15 		Bili

I just noticed your discussion of that pick. The window for the pick opened to me, so I assumed you wanted me to pick. The pick made total sense for you...I clicked.
 
813Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 22:02 		<753> There are zero entries in the thread that Tree set up, and there are zero entries in the Yahoo League for next season's draft picks. I think it's fair to conclude that there are no future picks that have been traded.


 
814Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 23:19 		There seems to be no rhyme or reason to the waiver order. It's always been opposite of the draft in years past. My 5 waiver position has no relavence to anything. Can this be corrected? Or are we just randomizing waivers this year?
 
815Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 00:09 		It can definitely be corrected.
 
816Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 01:38 		good lord. i go an watch a bunch of hot, tattooed girls knock the crap out of each other, and this place goes all to hell. :o)

i believe the order Baldwin posted, as follows, is correct:

1.01 Bobo
1.02 Jorge/sags
1.03 C1-NRB
1.04 WG
1.05 Taxman
1.06 biliruben
1.07 Pancho Villa
1.08 Tree
1.09 Bean
1.10 VampireWeekend
1.11 Punk42A
1.12 Nerveclinic
1.13 Boldwin
1.14 Great One
2.01 Bobo
2.02 Jorge/sags
2.03 C1-NRB
2.04 Tree
2.05 Taxman
2.06 biliruben
2.07 Pancho Villa
2.08 Tree
2.09 Bean
2.10 VW
2.11 Punk42A
2.12 Nerveclinic
2.13 Boldwin
2.14 Great One
3.01 C1-NRB
3.02 WG
3.03 Pancho Villa
3.04 WG
3.05 Bean
3.06 VW
3.07 Nerveclinic
3.08 Boldwin

if it's not, then please speak up, as we're already 4 picks into the draft, including WG trading Nick Castellanos/3B/OF to Bobo for Bobo's first round prospect pick.

i'm going to attempt to clean up the draft thread slightly. what a mess - in the future, can we please have discussions in separate threads than actual drafts?
 
817Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 01:45 		correction to above - Punk has a third round prospect pick, ahead of NC
 
818Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 01:47 		Bili's last comment, in regards to promoting a prospect during the regular draft, and getting a prospect draft pick in return:

Yes, it's wrong. Yes I opposed it for years. Years. I was shouted down, and last year decided that if you can't beat 'em join 'em.

The fact that people are suddenly noticing this, after my vehement opposition incorporating dozens of well thought-through posts, is disheartening, though not surprising.

It looks like, by default given the prospect draft is started and it too late to drop Baez, we can now pick players that aren't in yahoo. We absolutely should have had a vote on this.


 
819Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 01:50 		nearly every single concern, from Bili's to Baldwin's to PV's to Bean's, in regards to how our league handles prospects, can be solved with one easy move - holding the prospect draft prior to the regular draft.

this avoids two very large issues.

1. an abundance of prospect-eligible players being taken in the regular draft, making the ineligible for the prospect draft.

2. the whole issue of promoting prospects and getting a prospect pick for doing so.

3. the "Prior" rule business and all the confusion - this makes it simple. in the prospect draft, any human on earth is eligible. in the regular draft, they must be in Yahoo.

it just makes sense to hold the prospect draft first.
 
820nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 04:12


Bili It looks like, by default given the prospect draft is started and it too late to drop Baez,

It's always been the rule that if a player isn't in the yahoo data base you cannot draft him, that has always been clear.

completely agree that after this year we should do prospect draft first.



 
821Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 06:41 		I'd like to point out the benefit to the commissioner of not having to keep track of player on teams, who are not in Yahoo's database. Let's get back on the Prior Rule bus.
 
822Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 06:47 		I'll call Taxman about his turn in the prospect draft when it gets to be 8:30-9:00 AM. He doesn't poliboard as a rule.
 
823Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 08:25 		#816

I should have a a 4.01 pick
 
824biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 09:40 		Given that it sounds like we are in agreement that Baez is back in the pool for the prospect draft, does any of the managers who have already picked want to change their pick?

Instead of Baez, I will take:

Carlos Quentin, SD, OF
 
825biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 09:45 		Does this guy really look like a second baseman to you:



No, I'm not talking about that scrawny Cano guy.
 
826biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 09:53 		I sent out an email to all the managers. Read it and follow through.
 
827biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 09:55 		Email content:

Hi guys -

I inappropriately drafted Javier Baez, because he is not in Yahoo, and we do not allow players in the regular draft, not in Yahoo, to be selected. As a replacement, I am taking Carlos Quentin.

If you don't agree, got on the boards and add to the discussion, but this is a well enforced historical rule, that for some reason we allowed to violated once last year for a newbie manager.

We are also voting on whether to move the prospect draft to before the regular draft. This is a political board. Vote!

Finally and most importantly: Any of the 4 who have already drafted can choose Javier Baez instead of their picks, in the obvious order of preference. You need to say you do or don't want him before the prospect draft can continue. Go to the rotoguru boards and let us know so we can progress.

Thanks!!! I wish you all the luck in the season, with just a tad less luck than me.
 
828Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 10:03 		Nobody wants that lowly Cub. Go ahead and pick, so I can pick and go freeze my butt off on the golf course. Projected high temp today in SLC - 39. Factor in the wind chill and it's more like 29. Masochism.
 
829biliruben
      ID: 21841115
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 10:11 		Did you see the Chinese claim they want a few hundred acres of frozen tundra in Iceland to build a golf resort? Golf?



Foreign Minister Ossur Skarphedinsson said that he saw no reason to block Mr. Huang’s hotel venture, which is expected to cost more than $100 million, but that he was puzzled by Mr. Huang’s desire to build a high-end resort in a place so isolated that “you can almost hear ghosts dancing in the snow.” As for playing golf, Mr. Skarphedinsson added, “that doesn’t seem very sensible.”
 
830Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 10:15 		Golf courses make great cross country ski venues when they're snow covered.
 
831jseth33
      ID: 20218249
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 10:18 		As a new invitee to the league, I thought we could pick anyone from little league on up in the prospect draft...which would bring in many who were not in the yahoo database...we are saying I can't pick my high school freshman son?
 
832biliruben
      ID: 21841115
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 10:18 		That sounds like it would be 9-10 mo out of the year. I'm guessing Iceland has no dearth of nice places to cross-country ski.

Below my Dad's house in Idaho is a course on which I've both golfed and skied, but even in the high-valley, it's closer to 50/50.
 
833biliruben
      ID: 21841115
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 10:19 		You can, jseth. In the prospect draft. Not in the regular draft.
 
834biliruben
      ID: 21841115
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 10:21 		I can't, in good conscience move on until I hear from the managers 1-5.
 
835Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 10:25 		<827> We are also voting on whether to move the prospect draft to before the regular draft.

I vote in favor of moving the prospect draft in front of the regular draft.

 
836Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 10:27 		As proxy for Jorge, I give my permission, so delete manager #2.
 
837Wg
      ID: 552431321
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 10:31 		Ill stick with who I drafted.
 
838Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 10:34
Bean there is a separate thread started to vote on the rule.


 
839Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 10:37 		I noticed Nerve already picked up Boggs on waivers dropping Sean Doolittle who has 47.1 career innings making him prospect eligible. So, let me ask the obivious question. There is no moratorium on add/drops while we are awaiting the completion of the prospect draft? So, its going to be OK to draft a prospect during the regular draft, then drop him just before your pick in the prospect draft? C'mon guys WTF???!!!
 
840Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 10:43 		<838> Of course there is Nerve because last time we voted in this thread so why should I think that we would do it that way again? Lets get some GD consistency in this process please
 
841Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 10:53 		While I am in the bitching mood, let me just ask one amazingly obivous question. Who the heck is the commissioner here? And why does everyone and his brother put things up for vote arbitrarily, interpret rules arbitrarily rewrite rules on the fly and in general contribute to the chaos that is this league for as long as I have known it? Let ONE guy run this mad house, and stand in line for your meds please....no freaking cutting in line.
 
842biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 10:58 		Are you volunteering?
 
843Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 11:04 		Cause it's been a #$%^ informal as all get out league. We guarantee the level of competition is as good as you will ever find. But not the commish. He's any bum we find on the street.
 
844Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 11:05 		I would be glad to do it NEXT YEAR, if time is an issue for everyone else. I am retired, so time is not an issue for me in general.
 
845Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 11:07 		I personally vote Bean and GO co-commish next year and hand down a 20 page anal beyond belief 'covers-every-contingency-under-the-sun' rulebook.
 
846biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 11:20 		Sounds like you have a job now, Bean. ;)
 
847Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 11:23 		Votes of those who have already picked in prospect draft, on whether they pass on Javier Baez.

Taxman - he picked after reading this stuff, I have called him and left a message requesting confirmation.
WG
WG
Jorge
all we need is C1-NRB's call.
 
848Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 11:37 		Hmmm...as long as C1-NRB is ok with this...we are under way. Taxman surprised me. Heh!

Calling C1-NRB.
 
849taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 11:50 		I adamantly object to the half-a$$, continual changing, excepting from, sometimes ignoring, other times creating rules for this screwed up league.

I changed my pick to Baez....but this is WRONG WRONG WRONG.

I posted my observations and "vote" on Baez in #800 (conceded to by bili in 801) above, which was not responded to (other than bili who does show courtesy to other managers)...as usual in this leagueunless your name happens to be Boldwin, tree, bili, and now add Bean. The rest of might as well be flying kites.

If the man made a draft mistake, he can drop and select from waivers. Where are the majority votes approving changing his pick. This is BS, AGAIN.

I'm nearing my PD quota....AGAIN.
 
850 taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 11:58 		and if Baez is such an in demand prospect..he is available
 
851Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:03 		Taxman,

All this time I was under the impression that Tree and Boldwin were co-commissioners, with Tree deferring to Boldwin for draft related issues, but chiming in occaisionally when things were going south. I also appreciate that GO has drafted a charter. I am anxiously waiting for some kind of post that is easy to locate for its finalization.

How bili has any authority to direct anything during the draft is very confusing to me.

What's a PD quota?
 
852taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:04 		whom ever is the brains behind Draftime needs to contact Fred and ask him to close the draft to get it off our Draftime Home Page...but truthfully..I expect this to be ANOTHER unanswered post.
 
853Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:07 		<839> This deserves an unambiguous, no debate answer from our co-commissioners before the draft is allowed to proceed. I cant stop others from picking, but I will not make a pick when mine arrives until the policy on this issues is crystal clear.
 
854Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:10 		Taxman

As I recall it, bobo violated the Prior Rule last year and the commish had to go back long after the fact, and new manager Bobo could be made right...and try and put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Then the guy we made commish called that a precedent and started acting as if the Prior rule had been nullified without a vote.

It's our fault for not making it to every vote that comes up.

It's our fault for not stepping up ourselves to be commish and making Tree do it by default.

It's our fault for not paying attention when the Prior Rule was defacto nulified in one extreme situation.

It's our fault for being such gentlemen that we treated a new manager with courtesy when he inadvertantly stepped on a rule.

I like being a gentleman. I can live with it.
 
855Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:13 		Taxman

Draft has been stopped. I can and still do use it frequently for reference in my duties. I am in no way going to ask that it ever be deleted and no longer available for archive purposes.
 
856Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:15 		Bean

We have a commish who believes the Prior Rule has been nullified.

We have a co-commish who believes it has not.

Sounds like a voting situation.

I hope everyone votes and votes today on this issue.
 
857biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:28 		"How bili has any authority to direct anything during the draft is very confusing to me." - Tax.

I was just following the strictures of the prior rule, which it appears is still in effect. I would have preferred certainly that a commish do the leg-work, but time was of the essence, so I went ahead and got things moving. I got some reactions, at least!

That was my main intent. A dubious decision from a position of non-authority was vastly better than just ignoring the issue, in this circumstance.

 
858Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:29 		For the record re: Nerve's Doolittle>Boggs Yahoo WW move...

...Boggs exceeds the prospect limits. Prior Rule doesn't discuss who you can drop. Yes his pickup of Doolittle in draft would violate Prior Rule if it was in force. Since he has dropped Doolittle no harm no foul, no matter what we decide.
 
859taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:32 		Boldwin..thank you for the response. A nice change of pace,

However, the response is non determinative. Fred can close the draft and move it to the bottom of the Draftime home page as he did with the Poli Board Football 2012 draft. Your way leaves the draft at the top of the Draftime home page under current (as in uncompleted) drafts rather than Archived drafts.

Since I use Draftime for 6-8 drafts each year it is a disrtraction to have a closed draft shown as an active draft. Can I live with it ..yes. Can you do you job as Draftime master ??? Had you set up the drafdt correctly in Draftime it would automatically close after the last player is chosen.

Not rocket science.
 
860Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:34 		For the dyslexic doing an error free drafttime is beyond rocket science. Sorry.
 
861Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:36 		It's ok with me if it gets moved 'below the fold' but not deleted. Some have asked for that kinda thing before if I am not mistaken and I thot you were.
 
862Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:36 		So as not confuse the vote count with discussion in that thread, I need to ask one question about the Prior rule.

I can see how this rule came about. You didnt want people gaming the prospects. Seems every issue comes comes back to that. If we hold the prospect draft before the regular draft, is the rule even necessary?

 
863Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:37 		Taxman

For the record, Drafttime doesn't hardly ever give you the option of undoing a mistake. You can't even undo a pause clock fer cryin out loud.
 
864Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:39 		Bean#862

It would still be beneficial even then, as it is one less thing the commish has to keep track of, that being players drafted but not yet picked up in Yahoo.
 
865taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:43 		Didn't ask if you thought it was OK. But requested you to can ask Fred to close the draft and move it to Archive status.

It has nothing to do with fixing yours or anyone else's mistake.
 
866Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:46 		Pretty humorous if you think about it. We can't even agree on our most famous rule. What more fitting description could there be for a Political discussion forum league these days.
 
867taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:46 		I have withdrawn and deleted my Prospect Draft selection pending the outcome of voting.
 
868Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:48 		Had you set up the drafdt correctly in Draftime...

Not rocket science.

It has nothing to do with fixing yours or anyone else's mistake

Sorry dude.
 
869Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:51 		Hey C1-NRB, here's 50 posts to wade thru...heh.

We need C1-NRB's vote on Prior Rule and his decision on whether he passes on Javier Baez in the draft, in case he is available when the dust settles.
 
870taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:59 		per 839 Bean adroitly posted


I noticed Nerve already picked up Boggs on waivers dropping Sean Doolittle who has 47.1 career innings making him prospect eligible. So, let me ask the obivious question. There is no moratorium on add/drops while we are awaiting the completion of the prospect draft? So, its going to be OK to draft a prospect during the regular draft, then drop him just before your pick in the prospect draft? C'mon guys WTF???!!!

The hidden question inside the question is when are FA moves (adds/drops) allowed. End of MLB draft?? or End of Prospect draft?? If end of MLB draft, can the move include a prospect??

I am in agreement with Bean (see #853) and won't make my Prospect draft selection until this issue( different from "listed in yahoo") has been decided
 
871Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:04 		<858> So, what you are saying is that it is completely OK for someone to drop a player he drafted during the regular draft immediately before their pick. Then they are allowed to re-draft that guy as prospect.

I can accept that, but it is pretty Farked up, but nobody asked me.
 
873Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:14 		Wow, you are the right guy for new commish is all I am sayin'. That's a game I hadn't seen coming.

I will have to think on that some.
 
874Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:19 		<864> Before I speak to this, first understand that I am assuming that the prospect draft is being moved to before the regular draft next year.

The Prior rule just makes work for the commissioner. Do away with the rule, and the responsibility will be with the guy who drafted him.

If you draft a guy, but cant use him cause Yahoo screwed up, too bad for you....do a better job next time, drop the guy and pick up someone who you can use. If the guy is a legitimate player, Yahoo will fix it quickly, if he is just a prospect you shouldnt have picked him in the regular draft anyway, draft a prospect as a prospect.
 
875Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:21 		If the Prior Rule is in force Nerve's pickup of Doolittle was illegitimate and he would be asked to re-pick.

If the Prior Rule is not in force, all hell breaks loose.

Please people, vote to uphold the Prior Rule and advance the prospect draft ahead of the regular draft.
 
876Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:23

Baldwin you are confused For the record re: Nerve's Doolittle>Boggs Yahoo WW move...

...Boggs exceeds the prospect limits. Prior Rule doesn't discuss who you can drop. Yes his pickup of Doolittle in draft would violate Prior Rule if it was in force.

Now you are completely misrepresenting the Prior rule.

1) The prior rules only prevents you from picking up a prospect after the regular draft.

2) Doolittle was in the Yahoo database so I had every rigth to draft him and that's how it's always been.

3) You are right there has never been any rule saying you can't drop a prospect before the draft

5) I didn't even know he was prospect eligible until your post above by the way.

6) I dropped him for Boggs as Boggs suddenly became more valuable then Doolittle. Plan and simple

7) All this will be fixed when we have the prospect draft first next year. Do we have the votes yet?



 
877Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:28 		My understanding and memory of the formation of the Prior Rule was that it prevented anyone from drafting Mark Prior in the regular draft.
 
878Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:29 		Because every last one of us would have drafted him in the first round if we could have.
 
879Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:31 		If my #877 is correct, Doolittle and at least 4 other prospects taken in the regular darft were not available.
 
880Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:32 		That is also assuming Tree is wrong in dismissing the Prior Rule.
 
881Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:32
Taxman
The hidden question inside the question is when are FA moves (adds/drops) allowed. End of MLB draft?? or End of Prospect draft?? If end of MLB draft, can the move include a prospect??

I am in agreement with Bean (see #853) and won't make my Prospect draft selection until this issue( different from "listed in yahoo") has been decided


You are waiting for an answer to a question that has always been answered.

Like it or not these have always been the rules.

1) You can draft a prospect in the regular draft IF he is in the Yahoo database, because he is part of the pool we are drafting.

2) Free agent moves have ALWAYS been allowed, as soon as the waivers are up.

3) After the draft you can not draft a PROSPECT until the prospect draft is over. (That is the Prior rule)

4) If someone is making a waiver move, before the prospect draft, why would he not be able to drop a prospect?

In any case let me make completely clear my strategy.

1) When I picked Doolittle it's because he was high on the keeper cheat sheet at that point and I was just grabbing a quality arm at end of draft.

2) Didn't even know he was a prospect, although it would make no difference if I did know.

3) Simply dropped him because I saw a better player on waivers. Didn't even know when I dropped him I was dropping a prospect although again makes no difference.

I hope that clears everything up Tax and you can get back to the prospect draft now?


 
882Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:33 		Nerve for the record, I wasnt thinking you had anything devious in mind, but if we dont have a moratorium on add/drops, then we are giving people the right to do all kinds of devious stuff. I just assumed that we did have a hold on roster moves.

Would have been glad to make a waiver claim on Boggs myself, once I was authorized to put Motte on the DL and make room for him. Yahoo wont let you do that until the guy has the DL next to his name. He is, afterall, only valuable because Motte is going to the DL once the season starts.
 
883Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:35 		For the record, when we vote to uphold the Prior Rule, we are not voting to redo the draft we just did. Those picks were made in good faith with the actual commish's, not the co-commish's blessing.
 
884Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:37 		My understanding and memory of the formation of the Prior Rule was that it prevented anyone from drafting Mark Prior in the regular draft.

Your memory is wrong.

1) We have always been able to draft any player in the Yahoo draft base during the regular draft.

2) The Prior rule was too prevent people from sweeping the waivers AFTER the draft looking for missed prospects as the intention was to always have the prospect draft immediately after reg draft to prevent anymore prospects being grabbed before the prospect draft.





 
885Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:39 		#881 - 3) After the draft you can not draft a PROSPECT until the prospect draft is over. (That is the Prior rule)

That is wrong wrong wrong. There is no way I am mistaken that the Prior Rule prevented us all from drafting Prior in the regular draft.

If that were true the first guy in the draft that year would have drafted Prior, end of story.

No way I am wrong on that.
 
886Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:41
Bean we have always been able to add drop as long as it's not a prospect you are adding.

Baldwin you are completely screwing everything up because you are mis-stating the Prior rule pure and simple. It only covered prospects being taken after the regular draft and before the prospect draft.

 
887Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:46 		Cant wait till the prospect draft gets put before the regular draft and all of this nonsense disappears.
 
888Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:48 		Nerve, just think back.

Prior was hyped as the guy with the most perfect pitching mechanics and wonderful pitching base to ever come down the pike.

He was Strasburg before there was Strasburg.

And now you are telling me he would have, or did slip all the way thru the regular draft, and the only reason we instituted the rule was to keep someone from picking him up after the regular draft and before the prospect draft.

Bullfeathers.
 
889Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:55 		One more thing I would like to see put to a vote?

Do away with the 7 day rule whereby a guy becomes a free agent once no longer prospect eligible. It requires far too much policing. You have to constantly check how man ABs IPs your player has and if you are interested you have to check the status of every prospect in the league too.

Replace it with a rule that says check for eligibility before the following season's draft. Check it one time and never pay any attention to it again.
 
890biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 13:57 		More History than you want
 
891Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 14:04 		Bean#889

Nerve loves the idea of stealing your player because he is more attentive than you are. I am OK with that.
 
892Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 14:08 		Baldwin

Read this from 2007

nerveclinic: 12th Round

Now the infamous Garza pick. I panicked when PD pulled Giles for me instead. I picked Garza assuming he would start the year in the minors, but his upside is so high (Baseball America #21 prospect) I felt in this league he is worth wasting a bench spot for a month or two. Another steal late in the draft IMHO.


link

 
893Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 14:09

Same thread Post 6

Round 13

Brandon McCarthy, picked here by Punk is a steal. Ethier won't make my opening day roster. I was going to pick a different player, decinded to try and get him in the prospect draft instead, got frustrated, and just half-consciously typed in Ethier's name.

 
894C1-NRB
      ID: 202101423
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 14:17 		I'm good with my Prospect pick. Proceed.
 
895Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 14:21 		Nerve

Examples of violations, do not disprove the indisputable raison d'etre for the rule.
 
896Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 14:25
Nerve loves the idea of stealing your player because he is more attentive than you are. I am OK with that.

What does that even mean? What did I steal?

 
897Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 14:33
Looks like I won't get a prospect pick in tonight, two hours away from bed here and not anxious to give a long prospect que to anyone.

 
898Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 14:34 		While we IMO will probably reinstate the Prior Rule...

And while we will probably move the next prospect draft ahead of the regular draft...

I doubt Tree will agree to retroactively choose to change his mind, impose the Prior Rule, and I am not seeking a do-over either.

I agree with Nerve that historically we have always raided the Yahoo player pool as soon as Yahoo mechanics would let us. I haven't heard one old timer dispute this.

Therefore as co-commish, for whatever that's worth, I am declaring Nerve's moves legal [with apologies to the Motte owner], Javier Baez available, and imploring Taxman to pick so we can get this prospect draft over before someone's vacation starts.

 
899Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 14:36 		Nerve

It means you love being able to catch someone's prospect player rolling off eligibility and snarfing them up. Not remembering examples, just pointing out the reason you want to dismiss Bean's proposal.
 
900Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 14:37 		Managers have received high praise in the past for pulling off that trick.
 
901Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 14:37

Doolittle is a perfect example of why you should be able to draft prospects, under the current system. (Which thankfully will change next year)

He is a major league player. He played in the big leagues last year. He has low innings because he is a relief pitcher. Why should anyone not be able to pick up a major league player in his sophomore year? Relievers don't go over the innings limit for two full years after joining the majors.

Baldwin if the Prior rule applied to all prospects, why didn't you halt the draft and take Taveras away from Tree? why was nothing said at that moment?


 
902Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 14:42 		<891> Well, he wasnt my player in the first place, he was a FA. It wasnt that I was unaware of the situation, just erroneously assumed we couldnt do roster moves given the situation.

In any case I am sure Nerve is feeling pretty good about himself winning on an uneven playing field here. It's OK, I am getting a good laugh watching him wallow in TPKL. He just joined us there this year, and believe it or not, its more complicated than this.
 
903Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 14:51 		Nerve

Because I am a very inattentive co-commish obviously, especially seeing as I missed biliruben's whole year of ranting that we were abusing the Prior Rule. Just out to lunch when it comes to rules.
 
904Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 14:51

I believe I have found the silver dagger to support my claim. Discussion from 2004 specifically talking about the Prior rule.

Oh yes -- the reason for the rule. Well, go back to Mark Prior. He was not Yahoo! listed at draft time, so bili couldnt pick him up; he was not eligible to be picked up until the prospect draft.

There you have it. The reason Prior could not be picked up was BECASE HE WASN'T IN THE YAHOO DATABASE.

We always had a rule a player picked up during the reg draft had to be in the yahoo system. Some people didn't like it but that was the rule.

Your memory is a bit bloodied up there Baldone, are you ok?

As you were people, nothing to see here, move along...

Post 28 in this thread...

link


 
905Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 14:56 		So, did I miss it? Did we get an answer? Is it OK for someone to drop a prospect that they drafted in the regular draft, and then pick him up in the prospect draft?

Seems we are allowed to drop him, just no definitive answer on whether he can be subsequently picked up in the prospect draft.
 
906Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 14:57
In any case I am sure Nerve is feeling pretty good about himself winning on an uneven playing field here.

WTF are you talking about?

The league was started. there was a waiver period when no one could be picked up. The waiver ended on the 24th. Anyone could have picked up anybody after that.

That has always been the league rule.

Nothing otherwise was said.

If you are confused about the rules I understand but ask questions, they will be answered and don't sully my honor when I have done nothing wrong.

FYI I have sent Jason a dozen emails in the other league asking questions, getting the grasp pretty quickly thanks. Inherited total crap team but not complaining.

The only thing I feel good about here is being awake while others sleep.


 
907Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 15:02 		The reason Prior could not be picked up was BECASE HE WASN'T IN THE YAHOO DATABASE.

That is exactly what the Prior Rule was and is.

We all wanted to pick him up with our first pick in the regular draft. We had a famous discussion about it, and left him in the prospect pool to be picked up by the weakest manager. We did so by creating the Prior Rule, which made him undraftable because he was not in the database.
 
908Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 15:08

That is exactly what the Prior Rule was and is.

Are you smoking crack today?

That's not what you have been saying above. You have said it mean NO prospect could be drafted in regular draft.

That is not the rule.

Anyone could be drafted as long as in the YAHOO DATABASE.

That is not what you said above.

#backpeddling



 
909Boldwin
      ID: 20234245
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 15:16 		We weren't trying to game the yahoo system or prevent gaming the yahoo system. We were trying to keep the best prospects available for the weakest managers by limiting them to the prospect draft.

Im not even sure I remember it correctly.

You didn't.
 
910taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 15:18 		continuation of chest beating bull $hit

If you are confused about the rules I understand but ask questions How is it possible to know which questions to ask such as those arising in the past 48 hours? Answer: YOU CAN'T, because supposed league rules defy logic.

We have league run by Nerve who both knows every rule with each exception AND is unwilling to commish, thus is leading from the bushes, not up front.

Not a level playing field. No reason to have player moves (as I have always understood) until all drafts complete.

Baldy, I accept your rulings despite my above thoughts.

Pick made!
 
911taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 15:35 		Bean..unless Nerve tells you that you can't, it is fine to pick a prospect that has been picked and dropped before your prospect pick.

Totally defies logic, sense of fair play and common sense, but if Nerve says so..then it's so.
 
912Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 15:36 		Nerve,

Chill dude. I wasnt insulting your ability or your motives in any of this. I thought I made that clear. But what I am about to say, you should take as a well deserved slam.

The TPKL has a document you can easily reference that explains alot. Nerve answered your questions in TPKL in a timely manner, and I have done my best to mentor you as well. I am glad you are learning quickly there. But you are at a serious disadvantage as you come up to speed there. That's not a slam, its a fact.

In this league, by contrast, new owners have had to beg and plead for any information, including rosters and rules, the most basic of information. Scroll up, and you will see how many times I have had to ask the same question repeatedly without answer. Pay particular attention to how many times I had to ask for rosters, draft orders and rules. Is there anything more basic?

Taxman has repeatedly echoed the same sentiment concerning the less than timely response to questions, so I know its not just me. I am just the guy who is speaking up now.

Honestly, I joined this league figuring that a rotoguru born league that has been around as long as this one has would be a bit more organized. I have mentioned this to Tree privately, but I feel compelled to air my frustration with ALL of you now.

I was expecting that there would be a charter outlining league rules that could be readily accessed, that there would be an established authority and voting procedure that all adhered to, and that the calendar was established and well understood well in advance so NOBODY missed deadlines. I further expected that new members would be mentored through the process instead of being left on their own to figure out WTF was going on.

If I havent offended anyone with what I just said, I would be shocked, but maybe you all deserve a few insults on this subject. So, I will continue.

This is, without a doubt, the most unorganized league I have ever been a member of. Making things worse, in general, the veterans have been less than helpful in navigating new owners through this quagmire of ill concieved patchwork of rules and links to old posts where you all argued endlessly about the same stuff as you are arguing about now.

Now before anyone who isnt a commissioner starts saying it wasnt my job, let me just remind you of this. You let it happen through silence.

In conclusion, I am fully aware of the ramifications of being the outspoken newcomer, but I cannot be silent. I joined this league in good faith and you all accepted me with the same. I will therefore, not abandon it now, but if you all want to replace me then have at it, perhaps I am the one who has it all wrong.
 
913Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 15:38

How is it possible to know which questions to ask such as those arising in the past 48 hours?

When does the waiver period end doesn't even need to be asked. It is shown on the yahoo player page all you have to do is look. Just like all the Yahoo leagues

No reason to have player moves (as I have always understood) until all drafts complete.

The regular draft IS complete and Baldwin started the league and waiver clock. In fact the issue has come up over and over about doing prospect draft quickly so that players aren't drafted once the waiver is released by Yahoo.

I am done for the night looking for supporting evidence in old threads. If I am wrong, you go find it, it's all there, Bili gave you a good list.

In any case I would have had 3rd waiver pick so nothing for Bean to worry about. (always been reverse order of the draft)

We have league run by Nerve who both knows every rule with each exception AND is unwilling to commish

I am the founder of the league and I was the first commish for several years (Didn't get many complaints) There are 14 teams, why should I do it for ever? But thanks for your support.

 
914Tree
      ID: 131137414
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 15:41 		whoa.

we don't always transactions in the middle of the draft. are you serious? we are still in the drafting phase. we can't allow non draft related transactions. it's ad simple as that - we are still drafting.
 
915 Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 16:03

Bean Plenty of fair points.

We did have a lot of rules in writing, which were always referred to in threads, but then Guru implemented this system where he buried threads.

No Idea how Bili pulled those old ones up.

Not making excuses but at the end of the day it's not that complicated a league.

5 x 5 Roto

7 keepers and 5 prospect bench

No salaries, no penalties for keeping. In a nut shell the opposite of TPKL, pretty simple.

Yes there is some arguing about what players can be picked up when, but that is the exception. It's not that complicated a league, in fact I argued 2 years ago we should make it more complicated (with salaries and penalties for keepers.)

If you weren't getting questions answered I didn't notice, but you and I were talking by email, about TPKL. Yes you are right, I asked you questions. You could have done the same right then.

That having been said, fair points you made and someone needs to once and for all make up a league rule explanation. Moving prospect draft forward will answer at least half the complicated issues.

If you have any other questions that aren't getting answered email me directly like I did you.

Hang in there and we will try our best to straighten out your concerns because they are fair.

Senior members why don't we start a thread with all the rules we know of which can then be cataloged into a league rule book that can be sent to new memebrs every yerar and posted before the draft.

It's 12AM here so I can't really start it tonight but if we can get them into a thread I will be happy to catalog them.






 
916Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 16:13 		Nerve

By now you see the value of Yahoo Groups for helping to organize a keeper league. Sure, you run the risk of departing from the rotoguru forums we all meet at, but the value of the Yahoo groups tool for running this kind of league cannot be denied. These forums cannot match that capability. The voting, file saving and calendar tools are exactly what we need.
 
917Boldwin
      ID: 182162415
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 16:16 		whoa.

we don't always [allow ?edit] transactions in the middle of the draft. are you serious? we are still in the drafting phase. we can't allow non draft related transactions. it's ad simple as that - we are still drafting.

Is that the commish disallowing Nerve's moves? I am confused.
 
918Boldwin
      ID: 182162415
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 16:17 		Or bili's?
 
919Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 16:30
whoa. we don't always transactions in the middle of the draft. are you serious? we are still in the drafting phase. we can't allow non draft related transactions. it's ad simple as that - we are still drafting.

I am soooo tired of your crap Tree.


Last year March 23rd.

Commish Tree. Baseball Thread post 453 after I complained that the waivers were locked... ok, i cant find a way to reset waivers.

im going to unlock everyone, BUT ADD/DROP BEGINS TOMORROW, SATURDAY, MARCH 24, AT 12 NOON EASTERN.

please dont pick anyone up before then.


Now when did the prospect draft start you ask???

Must already be over at this point right? Because Tree just told us we don't always transactions in the middle of the draft. are you serious? we are still in the drafting phase. we can't allow non draft related transactions. it's ad simple as that - we are still drafting.

But when did the prospect draft start? wait for it... March 25th

So as simple as that, TREE the commish, ended the waivers March 24th and the prospect draft started March 25th.


There was a waiver time set up on the Yahoo league page at the end of he regular draft, just like most leagues, just like here before, the waiver ran out, players turned to FA.

And just like Tree did last year, the waivers ended at the end of the regular draft, before the prospect draft, just like our commish Tree did last year, even though he assures us it's not the way it's done.






 
920Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 16:33

Nerve

By now you see the value of Yahoo Groups for helping to organize a keeper league. Sure, you run the risk of departing from the rotoguru forums we all meet at, but the value of the Yahoo groups tool for running this kind of league cannot be denied. These forums cannot match that capability. The voting, file saving and calendar tools are exactly what we need.

Agreed, sounds like you are volunteering to set up the inaugural addition?

 
921Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 16:37 		Sorry - in mountains. Won't be able to pick til tonight. Work out the rules while I'm away.
 
922Tree
      ID: 131137414
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 16:46 		here's what I'm sick of Nerve - you being a whiney little bitch who attempts to bully other owners.

I've stepped up the last few seasons to commish because no one else would. worse than that is your incessant whining.

here's your chance to put up or shut up - I am handing the commissioner reigns to you. they're yours.
 
923taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 17:05 		Pathetic. Not sure whether best non response is waiver period is shown by looking at the yahoo player page like all yahoo leagues (right..that's the first thing I did every morning for the past two weeks) or your take on "all drafts complete" = the regular draft is complete and Baldwin started waivers (ignoring categorically that the prospect draft is incomplete).

Besides being totally dismissive and non-responsive to the specific points, you underline your intent to bend circumstances to fit facts..or better yet, bend the facts to fit your circumstances..

Back to waivers, in the RIBC leagues every year and every other yahoo league I've played in this year w/o exception, the yahoo commissioner e-mails all managers that waivers have been activated. But not this league. Probably in the rules some where.

 
924Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 17:05

Tree

There is no reason to call me a bitch. It's against the policy on civility and respect.

Anyone in this league can read your post 914 and my post 919 and see what's up.

It took all of 5 minutes to prove you wrong.

Of course rather then be gracious, and so, "oh wow Nerve your right, I forgot about that". You have to go to plan B, lashing out.

My defending myself is not whining, it's just how you spin things when someone exposes your hypocrisy. Anytime someone exposes you, you just start spitting.

I did my years as commish. I don't have time at the moment.

In any case, most leagues have one commish, Baldwin can handle it, he already is.



 
925Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 17:08
Taxman (ignoring categorically that the prospect draft is incomplete).

The prospect draft hadn't even started last year when the waivers ended.

 
926Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 17:17

i'll tell you what.

I am going to bed as it's 1 AM here.

You guys decide what you want to do, you want to put Boggs back you go for it.

If you want to change the rules so that they fit Taxman's criteria, or Tress hallucinations I am fine with that.

Baldwin can you fix the waivers so they are in proper order? GO should be first.

Why it is lame to say, that Baldwin started the league up. waivers were set, waivers now ended and I added a player I have no idea, but the people who were sleep walking seem disturbed so whatever you decide.

Oh would like to propose a rule, one league member is not permitted to call the other a bitch. Should I start a separate thread?


 
927Boldwin
      ID: 182162415
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 17:27 		I think a deadline has been missed and the WW order can't be changed. I could be wrong. I'm not the right man for this job. Not a details and process guy.
 
928Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 17:59 		<927> Boldwin, I know you can alter waiver priority for basketball in Yahoo for a fact. I do it continuously in the basketball league I run, because all waivers are processed by hand.

Take a look at the commissioner tools tab, you should find it under Team Management-Edit Waiver Priority.
 
929Tree
      ID: 131137414
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 17:59 		I'll check when I get home on the waiver business.
 
930 GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 18:02 		Bean - those rules i had somewhere way above are going to go in an opening post of a regular season thread so that they never disappear from year to year we'll tweak and update. Feel free to email me with any questions in the meantime.

I also complained about the lack of organization and rulebook and just sifted through all the threads to complete the rules. I'll add whatever tweaks we've made here so someone please summarize any of those changes and let me know. I don't have time to read the mess from this weekend.
 
931GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 18:04 		Tax - I'm gonna write some more of those points you make in 923 and make sure we stick to the rules going forward. I think its easier to enforce rules when its all there in black and white for all to see.
 
932Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 18:21 		<911> Like Taxman, I am willing to accept however this is settled, I just want consistency in applying the rules.

If there is no moratorium on roster moves until the draft is over, there's a chance I will put Rondon into my prospect list from my active list. I expect that there will be no complaints if I do that. Only wished I understood how this was going to go down before the active draft, and jumped on the gravy train like so many others did.

I can only say I am overjoyed that we wont be dealing with any of this stupid crap next year, since the prospect draft will come before the regular draft.
 
933Boldwin
      ID: 182162415
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 18:28 		I can't believe you would have much trouble winning a vote to commish a league no one else wants to commish but everyone wants to play in.
 
934Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 18:35 		<916> I would be glad to set it up and give the commissioner all priveleges if we are going to use it.
 
935PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 18:37 		This league always gets more and more BS as each season goes forward.

The Prior Rule was made because Prior was a top prospect but Yahoo AT THAT TIME, only had 40 man players in the draft pools meaning when he was drafted on RG Boards he could not be input into the yahoo draft system. So the rule was made that picks in the Regular draft HAD TO BE in the Yahoo database.
Each season Yahoo is putting more and more of the 'Lesser' prospects in their draft pool.

Also Nerve is correct on how the Waivers/Prospect draft was for the 2012 season. No prospects had been picked up in that time so there was never a problem with WW being live while we were still prospect drafting. Also it was sort of an unwritten rule that none would be touched at that time. This has been the first season that so many 'Top Prospects' were taken in the regular draft, that were not Prospect Keepers.
 
936PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 18:39 		The one thing that I do not think should be allowed at all this season is people who drafted Prospects in the Regular draft, be allowed to drop them now and draft them in the Prospect draft. The only reason for Baez is because of the 'Prior rule' of him not being in the Yahoo Database. Every other prospect taken in the draft was able to be imput. Anyone drafted in the Regular draft should be null and void from the Prospect draft, at least for this season.
 
937Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 18:50 		<933> If what you say is true Boldwin, then I dont need to hire a campaign manager. I have already agreed to commish for the 2014 season if nobody else wants it and you guys accept my leadership. Like you say, there is no shortage of fantasy baseball skill here, just need a unified structure to keep us from killing one another.

As for this season? The bulk of the work is nearly done. It's just arbitration from here on out, and I am not experienced enough with this league to do an adequate job on that front.

Most of the conflict is due to the prospect draft and its relationship with the regular draft. All of those issues evaporate with the moving of the prospect draft to before the regular draft. I am sure we will all be a lot more civil as a result.
 
938GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 18:54 		I remember once saying (800 posts ago) that there was a reason every other league does the prospect draft first. I was told that's what was so great that this league... that it wasn't cookie cutter doing everything in the order all the others do... well maybe sometimes there is a reason things are done a certain way.
 
939GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 18:56 		and as Tax said, can we get the draft completed so it gets the heck out of my pending drafts and into the archive? should we just pick random names for these 2 rounds and everyone ignores these picks?
 
940PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 18:58 		I believe that Boldwin or any other of the Commish's on Drafttime can you hit Skip Skip Skip Skip on all the remaining draft picks to end it. That is what the 2012 Baseball draft looks like on there, so it was done somehow.
 
941Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 19:05 		<936> So, what you are saying is Doolittle is not eligible to be drafted in the prospect draft? And likewise my plan to do the same with Rondon would not be allowed?

I can live with that if the commissioner says so be it. If not I am going to proceed as if I have the permission to do so.

So, look for Rondon to be dropped seconds before I draft him as a prospect, then get returned to the active roster immediately where he can close for all of 2013 before being returned to the prospects again to effectively give me an additional keeper for 2014. If I am lucky, I can do it again in 2015, if he is still under 125 IPs.

Hopefully this scenario gives you a pretty good picture of the kind of nonsense allowing roster moves between drafts creates.

Dont allow what I want to do, then why should anyone be able to do any prospect moves at any time until both drafts are over?
 
942GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 19:06 		First off, being a Poli league we should probably call our commish our league President, no? In that vein I'd be glad to be part of the Cabinet -- Secretary in Charge of Draftime.
 
943GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 19:07 		Roster moves should not be allowed between drafts, it should really just be considered one big long draft.

I killed and archived the Draftime draft page.
 
944Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 20:41 		Congratulations on a hard fought election, Bean! Consider yourself inaugurated. Tell me where the party is gonna be!! Lots of interns please.

That's right. Your rondon plan is a non-starter. Baez can only be "dropped " (really, never added) because he isn't yahoo.

I won't be home until 10 pacific. I'll try and make sure I have a pick in before the east coast wakes up.

 
945Boldwin
      ID: 182162415
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 20:52 		A word of advice to next year's probable commish and co-commish...

Elections. Get everything voted on. Don't insist on a high quorum because you won't get timely participation from more than half the managers.
 
946taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 21:20 		GO..thank you for archiving the 2013 Poli baseball on Draftime. I don't think it matters to anyone who doesn't use Draftime for other leagues/sports.

also...props for grasping the issue of not giving league advance notice that waivers are activated.

 
947Boldwin
      ID: 182162415
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 21:28 		I found the controls for adjusting WW priority, so at least that. Yeah.
 
948taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 21:36 		Bean..no one is responding to your post # 941 re: Rondon, other than GO. IMHO, GO correctly states the intended rule of this league, However, I haven't seen any complaints about the Doolitle/Boggs transaction from other than you and me.

So if we are playing by Nerve's version of the rules, I think it's the niftiest piece of planning/scheming I've seen. Brilliant. Go for it. If Doolitle is fair game, then absolutely plan of action is a logical application of Nerve's rules.
 
949Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 22:35 		There is no reason to call me a bitch. It's against the policy on civility and respect.

if the shoe fits.

you saying you're "tired of (my) crap" was equally unjustified. you don't call someone out when they don't remember things correctly (such as the fact we allow prospects to be called up during the regular draft, and get a replacement pick for them).

and then you disrespect me with the In any case, most leagues have one commish, Baldwin can handle it, he already is.

again, quit being so whiney.

i have worked my butt off as commish, and Baldwin and I have worked fairly well as a team. he handles the draft aspects, and i've handled everything else.

i was largely unavailable this weekend due to previous commitments. changing the waiver priority? that's simple. most things are, but i don't expect Baldwin to know how to do them, because that's not his job.

so, seriously, quit whining so much, because you do complain about soooo much.

 
950Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 22:37 		Roster moves should not be allowed between drafts, it should really just be considered one big long draft.

this was my point. having moves between them is ridiculous.

I remember once saying (800 posts ago) that there was a reason every other league does the prospect draft first. I was told that's what was so great that this league... that it wasn't cookie cutter doing everything in the order all the others do... well maybe sometimes there is a reason things are done a certain way.

this. many of us said this.
 
951taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 23:19 		co-commishes ...we need some final rulings to move on with the prospect draft

1) Waiver pick up before finish of prospect draft (Boggs)

2) Confirm Baez is in prospect pool

3) Rondon plan proffered by Bean...which hinges on Boggs ruling

Gentlemen..please resolve issues as to 2013 season. Everyone appears to grant authority of interpretation to current commish(s)
 
952Boldwin
      ID: 182162415
      Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 23:39 		I'm done. I will just let Tree make the decisions from here on out, because we just disagree on the Prior stuff and since he has the senior position, and since we have more bad precedents than I realized, which keep getting thrown in my face, that's just more than I can deal with. Tree can make whatever calls he wants and we'll open a fresh can of commish next year.

No point in my ruling one way, just to have in overturned tomorrow.
 
953Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 01:23 		my feelings on these things - first off, one of the smoothest run leagues i am in is the NBBL - which stands for "No Bull$hit Baseball League". i'm in it, WG, Punk, maybe a few others. one of the things that makes it run so well is that the commish doesn't take any BS - there simply isn't any arguing. he makes a decision, it's final, and everyone moves on.

it works VERY well, because the fact of the matter is that sometimes you need one person to make a decision so you're not voting on every willy nilly little thing.

1. 1) Waiver pick up before finish of prospect draft (Boggs)

C&P Punk from above: Also Nerve is correct on how the Waivers/Prospect draft was for the 2012 season. No prospects had been picked up in that time so there was never a problem with WW being live while we were still prospect drafting. Also it was sort of an unwritten rule that none would be touched at that time.

this is completely correct in reviewing things. in 2012, we started the waiver period before the prospect draft. i consider that a mistake, and don't really know why i allowed that to happen, as it flies in the face of normal fantasy baseball rules - you're in the middle of a draft, you can't suddenly add people through waivers/free agency.

in 2011, waivers started immediately AFTER the prospect draft, not before it.

in 2010, we did as we did in 2012, and the waiver period began before the prospect draft did.

then, in 2009, we did as we did in 2011, with waivers started immediately AFTER the prospect draft, not before it.

so there is no clear precedent here, as we have done it both ways. i don't feel like researching prior to 2009.

what i have a bigger issue with, however, is the fact that there was no posting, not notification, nothing that the waivers period was starting - this happened for two reasons (and no, i am not assigning blame, just explaining)

A. i was largely away from my computer most of the weekend, and not thinking much about this draft.

B. Baldwin inadvertently starting the clock on the waiver period.

it's just against the sense of fair play to not let folks ahead of time this happening. if we're going to be fair about this, then we can't allow these waiver pick ups to happen.

2. Confirm Baez is in prospect pool

he is. i was wrong, and have no problem admitting that. i felt i was making a decision that was best for the league, but in reading other comments, i was wrong in this case.

3. Rondon plan proffered by Bean

this can't happen. we've been pretty clear in the past that you can't move someone to your prospect roster unless they were drafted as a prospect. it defeats the purpose of a separate prospect draft, quite frankly.

No point in my ruling one way, just to have in overturned tomorrow.

Baldwin - you and i may not get along that much, but we've done well as co-commishes. i appreciate your input.

-------------

what i am going to do right now is freeze rosters. when i am not desperately needing sleep, i'll revert the rosters to what they were prior to the Waiver/FA pickups.

when i get that cleared up, we'll set things two days out, and i will post that HERE in this thread.







 
954nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 01:26

Gentlemen..please resolve issues as to 2013 season. Everyone appears to grant authority of interpretation to current commish(s)

A guy who just called me bitch, twice, is going to decide if he will follow the rules he himself did last year, or change them because of a few complaints and take my heads up move away? OK

So if we are playing by Nerve's version of the rules, I think it's the niftiest piece of planning/scheming I've seen. Brilliant. Go for it. If Doolitle is fair game, then absolutely plan of action is a logical application of Nerve's rules.

My version of the rules is that since I drafted Doolittle and then dropped him while the prospect draft is ongoing, anyone in the league except for me should be able to draft him. I should not be allowed to draft him and I have never said otherwise.

What did you assume my rules would be Tax? I am really tired of you calling me out as though I have no honor, calling into question my character and integrity. You don't even know me.

There was no planning or scheming. I just dropped the worst person on my team when I saw a closer candidate after the waivers ended at midnight on the 24th. And not that it matters but I didn't even notice Doolittle was a prospect. He played in the majors last year.

It's not rocket science Tax.

So that would apply to Rondon, you can't draft him in regular draft and then dump him just before your prospect pick, only to pick him up again. That's never been allowed.

If everyone wants to change the rules, and say this year we will do it differently then Tree did it last year and wait until the prospect draft is over to pick free agents off waivers, so be it. Some years the prospect draft was a week after the reg draft, lots of moves were made as soon as waivers came up. We rushed the start of the prospect draft forward so no one would grab a prospect off waivers.

If you want to suddenly change it this year, and wait until the prospect draft is over I am to worn out to worry about it.

And to everyone who is chiming in now. Yes we know it would have been better to do the prospect draft first. We know some of you suggested it, we know you are wise, we all want to change it going forward. It was never a big deal in years past but this year we all see what a mess it is so next year this nightmare will be over.

Bean very happy to hear you will be taking over. I will do whatever I can to help you dig up all the rules but again, in the end, it's actually a pretty simple league, we sometimes make it more complicated then it is.


 
955Boldwin
      ID: 17248257
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 08:51 		You just took all my fun out of this draft, bili.

Reminds me of that time I had to hold my breath waiting for 3 people to pass on Trout. Only I lost this time.
 
956Boldwin
      ID: 17248257
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 09:02 		And that my new commish's next year, is why you rush the heck out of the prospect draft if you know what's good for you. 8>
 
957GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 09:35 		As Tree wrote much longer above --- No moves between the drafts, if it was done before it was the wrong move... there should be no "in between the drafts" to do a move, just one big long 2 part draft. So there should be no moves made there. Reverse whatever needs to be reversed.

Nerve - don't worry about digging the rules up, I've got a nearly complete list with everything done. Just will add these few final adjustments, votes etc.

I think we'll all be amazed how smoothly this will run next year with some loopholes closed up and everything in writing to hopefully avoid some of these scenarios.
 
958Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 09:51 		Thanks for the definitive decision Tree

Thanks for the cooperation everyone

Lets move on
 
959Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 09:52 		Don't ask me the year, but somewhere 3-4 years ago, our regular draft was running late and the prospect draft didn't start until after the regular season began. That may have set the precedent of waiver wire acquisitions prior to completion of the prospect draft. If memory serves, we didn't hold the prospect draft that year until May.
 
960biliruben
      ID: 21841115
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 10:05 		Until the last few years, we always had the prospect draft well into the season. There was an active push to change that because of the problems that it caused, keeping prospects off of peoples rosters mainly.
 
961Boldwin
      ID: 52232510
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 11:05 		I coulda sworn Hultzen was already taken, but I don't see him in any roster.
 
962PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 11:30 		Tree can you text me when i'm up, i've got my list and will be at work the next 11 hours.
 
963Tree
      ID: 131137414
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 11:31 		I believe Hultzen was a mid season pick up last year, and Wagner was a draft pick. neither stuck.
 
964nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 11:50
Can someone please reset the waivers properly?

Reverse order of draft? If you are going to take Boggs away from me I at least shouldn't have to be at the bottom of the waiver pile.

 
965Tree
      ID: 131137414
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 11:55 		as I said earlier, I'll fix all that in due time. please relax.
 
966Boldwin
      ID: 52232510
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 12:12 		Does anyone have PV's #? I used to but I can't find it.
 
967GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 12:15 		Hultzen was a regular draft pick last year. Not kept.

We have a duplicate pick of Aaron Hicks on the board. Everyone needs to Ctrl+F that same prospect pick thread before choosing. Please pick a new player.
 
968Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 12:31 		Prolly golfing. Texted him.
 
969Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 12:33 		Just caught me. Now off to golf as temp has almost reached 40.
 
970Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 12:34 		Wait! Isn't he taken as well?
 
971Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 12:36 		Yeah, he's bobos. 60 and sunny here.
 
972nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 12:37

NP I'm relaxed Roller Derby Boy.


 
973Boldwin
      ID: 52232510
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 12:42 		That man has an unhealthy addiction to golf...wow.
 
974nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 12:57
60 and sunny here.

Cooled off today here, 81F

 
975GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 14:40 		Ya know, we can spin it another way... half the prospect eligible guys being taken in the regular draft thinned the pool out actually HELPING the bottom teams since they are the only ones getting decent talent worthy of a prospect pick.

Glass half full for those guys.
Ok maybe not... since they missed out on some top guys to contribute right now. But ya never know I guess.
 
976Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 15:42 		Please dont stir the pot, that horse is DEAD
 
977GO
      ID: 120252515
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 15:57 		Oh its dead. And will be much simpler going forward. But trying to give some positives for the guys with high picks this year. Those of us after the first few are getting junk.
 
978 Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 16:55 		<920> Sent invites to yahoo group. Did not have e-mail addresses for the following:

PuNk42AE
Biliruben
Pancho Villa


Send me an e-mail I will send you an invite

 
979Tree
      ID: 42422516
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 17:42 		GO - thank you for compiling our rules, charter, etc.
 
980Boldwin
      ID: 552202517
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 18:20 		I'll tell you what's junk this year. The closers-in-waiting are poorer than they were last year for some reason. I guess cause the cream all rose to the top already last year.
 
981taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 19:04 		If Prospect Draft still a go...would somebody inform Sags that he is up. I am going out, will be back about 8 CST and am ready to pick.
 
982Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 19:20 		I just talked to Jorge. He just got back in town. I told him to start at about #50 in prospects in order to find one available.
 
983Boldwin
      ID: 552202517
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 20:03 		Sags and PV have allowed others to pass them if necessary. Calling C1-NRB. You are up.
 
984taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 22:08 		How about WG ?? I'll ck back in @ 1 hour then..either I leave a queue or I pick tomorrow morning
 
985 taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 22:16 		Nerve..send me an e-mail and I/we can hash out our disagreement(s) in private. No need to entertain the on-lookers.

It will be tomorrow morning Texas time before I ck e-mail again.
 
986WG
      ID: 362192521
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 22:20 		I'm here, am I missing something?
 
987Boldwin
      ID: 552202517
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 22:26 		Well you are up atm.
 
988PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 22:59 		What's the invite for?
 
989Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 23:09 		A Yahoo Group that will give us some tools to run the league, we need all 14 members to join it
 
990taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 23:36 		Sorry WG. I thought you were up in prospect draft. Instead, I think it is tree's pick at 2.04.

I am off to bed..check back into tomorrow to see if tree has made his pick.
 
991taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 01:57 		Back up..Prospect Draft pick 2.05 made. I'm done.
 
992Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 10:55 		Thought about going back to the well with nick Franklin, but even with him bulking up and the fences coming in, I am not a beleiver.
 
993Tree
      ID: 10253269
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 11:29 		i don't necessarily disagree with you on Franklin, but i felt like i needed to take a gamble on a guy who was probably going to play in 2013.

Marte will certainly pass his eligibility this season, but it's unlikely Bundy, Walker, and Almora will.

so i wanted to grab a guy who i wouldn't be heartbroken about if he doesn't become a star or i lose him for eligibility reasons.

Bundy is going to be a stud. I believe Walker will be too. and Almora is too young to call for sure, but i'd like to give him a few seasons as a prospect to see.
 
994Tree
      ID: 10253269
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 11:33 		btw - is everyone happy with the new waiver order?

tomorrow i'll reverse the transactions that were made, and then set up WAIVERS so they go through over the weekend. free agency should also be ready to go then.

here is my question, because i don't remember. are we keeping everyone on waivers, or is everyone a free agent once that initial waiver period ends.
 
995PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 11:37 		Tree, same thing as yesterday, i'll be at work the next 11 hours with my list, so when VW picks can you Text me who and i'll let you know who I want to pick.
 
996GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 11:55 		We need to nail down the prospect draft order after the first 2 rounds. I don't really know whats going on there.
 
997Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 11:56 		Yeah, I may be in trouble next spring with ages 17,18,19,20,21. Hopefully Arenado and bogearts get at least a cup of coffee And show me enough to allow me to keep them as one of my 7. I'm still wistful about letting segura go.
 
998 Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 14:15 		<978>
Punk sent me his e-mail, just found a link to Bili's, so I just need an e-mail for PV.

Have 9 of the 14 members joined in the Yahoo group now. It wont hurt you, I promise, well, maybe just a little pinch. Still need the following to join:

PV
Tree
Boldwin
Bili
Sags
 
999 PV
      ID: 1010151016
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 14:30 		Does this work?
 
1000Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 14:55 		thx PV, sent you invite, for those listed in <998> let me know if you need another invite
 
1001Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 15:35 		This is just for stuff that we fear will get lost in the threads here, right? I'm not looking to have another place I need to check regularly.
 
1002Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 16:40 		Do I get Q to replace Baez?
 
1003Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 17:21 		Bili,

I agree, I do not like looking at multiple locations for messages either. Because of that, I hope our communications migrates to the league page once the season starts, so I can read what people have to say while setting my lineups.

I am figuring it will mostly be about unfair trades we should vote against, trade block offers and trash talk with the occaisional "did you see that" thrown in, or my life sux cause the Mighty Casey is out for the season with Plantar Faciatis.

Anyway, the Yahoo Group serves the following purposes:

1) A repository for any files (rosters, charter, keepers, draft results) that makes them ez to find anytime you want.

2) Easy access to the e-mail addresses of the league (redundant to the Yahoo League software except during the offseason).

3) A tool for facilitating voting (redundant to the Yahoo League software except during the offseason).

4) A calendar capable of alerting all members of important dates automatically. Unique to the Yahoo Group.

5) A messaging system (that I dont see us using much because both rotoguru and the Yahoo League are available).

Its real value is pre-season, because it gives you everything a commissioner needs to get the league set up and get the word out to people, and nobody should have trouble locating the info either.

If somehow we migrate to Yahoo Groups over rotoguru as the primary source for pre-season banter, you should be aware that your Yahoo Groups message settings will dictate how full your e-mail in box becomes. Right now you should only get calendar alerts unless someone posts to the message board.

 
1004nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 17:26
headed to bed without my second pick tonight because this Prospect draft is going slow.

 
1005Boldwin
      ID: 552202517
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 18:29 		For the record, I will cooperate later today on joining this, but I am way dubious about this yahoo group thing. Seems like it will compromise the 'poliboard' flavor of this thing. If anyone besides someone willing to step up and commish hardcore, had proposed it I would be voting it down.

-----

So GO...you haven't pointed out where I made that one mistake which will cripple my team and allow you to win this year. I'm hoping this is a sign that there wasn't one, *he said hopefully* 8]
 
1006Boldwin
      ID: 552202517
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 21:17 		Is it possible Punk42A doesn't know jseth is VampireWeekend?
 
1007PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 22:38 		I guess #995 was missed
 
1008Boldwin
      ID: 552202517
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 23:18 		Yup, I didn't see it at least.

Nice pick, I thot Deshields would last till the last. Very undeveloped bat so far. He was my alt last pick.
 
1009Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 01:24 		not so much as missed, just got really busy at work, and then tonight is passover, so i just got home a short while ago.
 
1010biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 04:19 		Do I get Carlos Quentin to replace Baez?

I'm guessing picking Boggs wouldn't be viewed highly.


 
1011Boldwin
      ID: 552202517
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 04:28 		Maybe it's just me, and I'm not saying this as co-commish after all, but everyone has now passed on Boggs twice. My one vote says have at him, bili.
 
1012Boldwin
      ID: 552202517
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 04:30 		BTW, this is what happens when you give Nerve too much time to research, people! Outstanding pick, Nerve!
 
1013biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 04:36 		Well, I think most people think transactions are frozen until the end of the prospect draft. I haven't checked to see if they actually are.
 
1014Boldwin
      ID: 552202517
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 04:40 		Cancel that. I was thinking Boggs was eligible and you wanted to pick him. I think Tree has reimposed the WW period till after the P. draft.
 
1015Boldwin
      ID: 552202517
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 04:59 		Tree #953 - what i am going to do right now is freeze rosters. when i am not desperately needing sleep, ill revert the rosters to what they were prior to the Waiver/FA pickups.
 
1016Boldwin
      ID: 552202517
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 05:01 		Tree #994 - tomorrow i'll reverse the transactions that were made, and then set up WAIVERS so they go through over the weekend. free agency should also be ready to go then.

here is my question, because i don't remember. are we keeping everyone on waivers, or is everyone a free agent once that initial waiver period ends.
 
1017Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 05:44

Nothing but junk left in prospect pool?


Behold, Carlos Rodon, ace of the North Carolina State pitching staff.

Rodon, a 6-foot-2 left hander, took the college baseball world by storm as a true freshman in 2012 with his 9-0 record, 1.57 ERA, 135/41 strikeout to walk ratio and 71 hits allowed in 114 2/3 innings. The unfortunately-not-a-draft-eligible sophomore was a 16th round pick of the Brewers in 2011. At that time, he was around 30 pounds lighter, weighing around 200, and threw between 88-92 MPH with his fastball. He was coveted for his projectability and potential plus slider, but decided to attend college and it is clear now that he made the right call.

Upon his arrival at NC State, Rodon dove into the school's strength training program and added significant bulk, and his fastball jumped all the way to 93-95, touching 97-98. His thick, muscular frame has allowed him to hold his velocity deep into games, and he pairs his four seamer with an 90-91 MPH cutter that keeps hitters honest. Though he possesses premium velocity, especially for a lefty, Rodon is not a one-dimensional pitcher. His slider is rated by some as a plus pitch, and he's developing a splitter to act as an offspeed offering. His mechanics are clean an easy- he repeats his delivery well and generates easy velocity.

As Baldwin mentioned just gotta do the research.


 
1018biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 06:43 		Yeah, just trying to get my full complement of draft picks. I'm one shy.
 
1019Boldwin
      ID: 52212276
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 07:13 		The only problem with Rodon is waiting a couple years. I would definately trade all my prospects for Addison Russell and Rodon tho.
 
1020Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 07:50 		Addison Russel isn't projected until 2015 Baldwin.

 
1021Boldwin
      ID: 52212276
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 12:02 		I read a scout who said he's already more advanced than Profar.
 
1022Boldwin
      ID: 52212276
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 12:06 		I coulda read it wrong and he meant already projectable higher than, but I don't think so.

I was all hot and bothered for Allen Webster until I looked at how much really good talent was ahead of him pitching already. Maybe someone gets traded. That team sure has the excess talent to be trading pitching.
 
1023PV
      ID: 1010151016
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 12:06 		This draft is agonizingly slow. Two days for one round.
 
1024Boldwin
      ID: 52212276
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 12:08 		I have to say, I really miss not being able to set a Q and forget it.
 
1025Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 12:16 		<1017> Glowing description of a player who has not yet even been drafted. You will find similar words for many guys who are not yet in professional ball. How do you descern that this guy is any better than anyone else?

There are guys who were drafted high in last year's draft (Lucas Giollito for example) that have the same kind of glowing words said about them, that still remain undrafted in the Poli. Why not one of those instead? They are all a gamble, the more you watch their results against professional competition the better you understand their true potential. Best of luck with the guy Nerve, I am gonna pick up a reach too if there are no more interesting guys that are breaking camp with their MLB team. If they dont get to their MLB club quickly, and become keeper worthy just as fast, the prospects have limited value in this game You can only keep three year to year after all, cant have all five as projects.

Seeing a shooting star before dusk is hard to do, but is not all that spectacular of a sight. It's kinda like winning at the lottery when the prize is just another ticket...kinda bleh.

But grats on your shiny object nonetheless.
 
1026Boldwin
      ID: 52212276
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 12:28 		So anyway, picking Chris Archer made more sense. If my Alan Cobb hits a snag, Archer is the pitcher who would be called up first. He's definately big league ready. Nieman in the 5th slot is just pitching horribly atm, and has been mediocre even at his best for years. And since they pulled the fences in at Petco, Tampa is the new best pitcher's park in baseball.
 
1027Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 12:32

Whoa Bean, next thing you know you will tell us there is no such thing as the Easter Bunny.

Let me have my dream.

 
1028Boldwin
      ID: 52212276
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 12:36 		Bean

Note the qualifier at the end. I'm still a Rodon believer, and the Astros will be too when they draft him.

 
1029PV
      ID: 1010151016
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 12:57 		Somebody text me when I'm up. 801 608-0275
 
1030Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 13:06 		Thanks for that Boldwin. I would like to say that I dont like pitchers on my prospect list, but with 3 of my 4 current keepers being pitchers that would be a hard position to defend especially when you consider that I picked up Rendon in the regular draft too. Just playing the cards I was dealt.
 
1031Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 13:15 		Sags,

You ever gonna take your 2.02 pick, or you just gonna wait til all star break to pick one?
 
1032Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 13:38 		I think to be fair, there has to be a drop-dead date when the pick is forfeited. Otherwise some less scrupulous manager, like me, would just wait until a prospect of some merit gets called up to close or start in center after Beltran goes down with an injury, then declare his pick.

I'm sure sags isn't considering this, and likely just hasn't found the time to do research with all the glorious weather and golf balls to be whacked, but there are other, more sinister and conniving managers who might see this loophole as an opportunity.
 
1033Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 13:46 		;)
 
1034Tree
      ID: 592492712
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 13:50 		I read a scout who said he's already more advanced than Profar.

you must have read that wrong, or you're reading the same scout who discovered Sidd Finch or Toe Nash.

Profar is regarded as the most advanced prospect by pretty much anyone in that business.
 
1035nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 15:00

WG I think 3.04, technically you don't have the 3.02.

 
1036WG
      ID: 38250219
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 15:06 		Ok I'll wait
 
1037nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 15:20

Does anyone know why WG has 2 picks in the third round after his trade with Tree, when he already has 4 prospects?

What exactly was the trade?

It's holding up the draft
 
1038nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 15:28

It's Panchos pick, WG picks only 3.04 the trade with Tree, he did not have a second 3rd round pick, the 3,02 is a mistake.

WG kept 3 prospects.

he had pick 1.04 and 2.04 in the draft.

Then he traded 2.04 for whatever Trees pick in rd three would be.

but someone has listed him with 3.02 and 3.04. I am guessing it is trees the second of the to 3.04 since he picked later then WG.

Someone tell Pancho it's his turn.

 
1039Tree
      ID: 592492712
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 15:30 		Does anyone know why WG has 2 picks in the third round after his trade with Tree, when he already has 4 prospects?

What exactly was the trade?

my trade with WG has little to do with him having four picks.

rather, when he traded Nick Castellanos to Bobo for Bobo's first round prospect pick, without returning a prospect pick back to Bobo, that gave WG an extra pick.
 
1040Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 15:35 		Texted pv.
 
1041Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 15:39 		I dont know what the standard is in this league. For me, its always a big question mark what should occur when a trade goes down that does not have an element of pick for pick explicitly described.

I havent seen a written rule concerning this, but I wouldn't mind seeing something like this:

In trades involving picks, there must be an explicit mention of what picks BOTH teams will receive as a result of the trade. If none is given, due to an oversight, then the last pick at the time of the trade will be assumed. This ensures a balance to the number of picks both teams are entitled to (5 prospect and 15 regular draft). The last pick, given no previous pick trades, would always be 5.XX for prospect and 15.XX for the regular draft. There should never be a need for a 16th round in the regular draft nor a 6th round of the prospect draft.
 
1042Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 15:49 		Sorry to go on about this, but the prospect picks get a little messy so I want to clarify what I said in <1041> as it relates to prospects.

Before you declare your prospect keepers you are entitled to exactly 5 prospect picks. When you declare your prospect keepers, you are relinguishing one pick (your worst) for each keeper. Once thats done, you no longer have rights to those picks, and neither could a prospective trading partner reclaim them.
 
1043Tree
      ID: 131137414
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 15:56 		wg should have sent his last pick back to Bobo. if that pick puts Bobo Over 5 prospects, then the pick is voided and it's as if it never existed.

does that make sense?
 
1044Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 16:52 		It will only make sense to me when I know how and when Tree got 2.04 from WG. However, that said, it is not essential that I know that or to understand how we got here.

Just let me know when its my pick, what the final rosters look like, and what picks for 2014 and beyond have been traded and I am content.

More than likely we are all looking at different prospects and order is not that important right now.
 
1045nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 16:56

PV went now it's WG's pick...

looks like I am picking tomorrow as I am headed to bed.

 
1046nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 17:53
Bean


GO owned Griffin last year no longer a league prospect...

 
1047Tree
      ID: 131137414
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 17:58 		prior ownership doesn't disqualify someone from being a prospect, as long as they are not currently owned.
 
1048Boldwin
      ID: 42592714
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 18:19 		Tree, I have to run some family chores, but I am feeling really uneasy about the effect your trade with WG had on the draft order. I wonder offhand If I didn't correct it and someone else switched it back pre-trade or something. Just double-check it for me.
 
1049Boldwin
      ID: 42592714
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 18:20 		Or maybe it was WG-Bobo.
 
1050Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 18:33 		Well then nice pick Bean.

 
1051Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 18:34 		Baldwin I think it's all straight now...

 
1052Tree
      ID: 131137414
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 18:35 		mine and wg's trade preceded the trade between wg and Bobo. as previously pointed out, the extra pick was acquired in the second trade.
 
1053PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 19:26 		Good luck everyone on this season, it is now about time for me to head to Florida for the very end of Spring Training!
 
1054Tree
      ID: 592492712
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 20:01 		enjoy.

dick.
 
1055PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 20:04 		Oh and since i'm close also Ray's Opening Day Vs O's
 
1056Tree
      ID: 592492712
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 20:30 		be prepared for the worst stadium you've ever been to. man, i HATE that ball park in Tampa.
 
1057PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 20:54 		Yeah i've heard that, but IT'S BASEBALL!!!!
 
1058C1-NRB
      ID: 202101423
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 21:43 		Any April baseball is good baseball.

I'll be in the Bay area April 14-17 and picked up some after-market, lower level, firstbase side infield seats to Astros v. A's at a bargain price. A marquee matchup? Not necessarily. But it's April baseball.
 
1059Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 22:24 		fyi - i'm tinkering with the league settings, trying to see if there is a way to restart waivers.

so please ignore anything you see going on. it does not appear there is a way to restart waivers, but i'm gonna keep looking.
 
1060biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 22:43 		Hey Tree -

Can you get Quentin on my team?

Thanks!
 
1061Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 22:48 		Quintin Berry?
 
1062Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 22:54 		ok. so here's what's going down.

*currently* i have waivers set to "Continuous". as best i can figure out, there is no way to reset waivers, so this will do.

right now, waivers will run, according to yahoo, on 3/29 (look at all the players).

i don't know exactly what time they run, but after they do, i'll post something here that i'll be changing the waivers back to normal at a certain time, and then everyone will be free agents.

make sense?
 
1063biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 23:07 		Carlos Quentin. I've asked for him as a replacement for Baez, who I could not legally select, about 6 times, starting about a week ago. Both Boldy and you seem to have studiously ignored me.

I'm happy to choose someone else, even Chuck Berry, at this point, but since that's who I asked for when informed of Baez's absence in Yahoo, I figure I should stick with it, or risk the wrath of, um... The ghost of Toral.
 
1064Boldwin
      ID: 42592714
      Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 23:09 		Don't ask me anymore. I have turned in my co-commish badge.
 
1065Boldwin
      ID: 42592714
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 00:03 		WG

My understanding is that my #77 in the draft thread was correct and you should have had 3.02 and 3.04. Go ahead and pick whenever you want to.
 
1066Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 00:53 		Carlos Quentin.

done. i was off the computer most of this past weekend, so i missed most of your requests, apparently.

I have turned in my co-commish badge.

that's a shame.
 
1067Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 01:15

You need to take the lock off now Tree. Waivers are set to end on the 29th, but the players won't be free agents able to be pick up, until you take the lock off.

It's fine to take the lock off since the players are all on waivers until 29.

 
1068Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 01:38 		good call NC. i meant to do that earlier, but got distracted. should be all good now.
 
1069WG
      ID: 3811221423
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 01:39 		Re 1065... I already have 5 prospects though. You can't come out of this draft with 6, can you?
 
1070Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 01:57

Baldwin he already has 4 prospects so he only had one pick left.

He never should have had his own round 3 pick because he already had 3 prospects going into draft.


 
1071Boldwin
      ID: 42592714
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 02:50 		Ok, sorry, of course you can't have six. I've had out of town company helping me clear out a house and prepare it for sale. Way too busy to double-check things.
 
1072nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 04:26

So now I have a problem.

Yahoo won't let me add Boggs to waivers because I "dropped him"

So I guess the question is, is Baldwin and or GO taking him, if not I should be allowed to pick up as the 3rd waiver, although I can't imagine one of those two are not taking him?

If they both decline, I will pick up a nobody as a place holder so I lose my waiver position.

Baldwin and GO please advise.

Commish does that work?


 
1073 Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 09:54 		damn. that is stupid. some poor programming on Yahoo's part.

i could have fixed it yesterday and let Boggs be a free agent, had i known Yahoo did this.

now, the only solution is as above, or for me to move the waivers to process on Saturday, and boggs tomorrow, and then move him to process on Saturday.

i think the best solution is a happy medium - GO and Baldwin, if y'all get a chance, email me above and let me know if you're planning on picking up Boggs or not. at least this way there's still some mystery to it. lol.

and if not, i'll move his waiver date later, and add him to NC's roster when everything processes.
 
1074biliruben
      ID: 21841115
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 10:04 		Thanks, Tree. I'll give Q a good home. For at least a day or two.
 
1075Boldwin
      ID: 42592714
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 11:15 		No, I had Tazawa targeted all along. Hope this helps.

Thanks for your work 0n the draft, people. Don't forget the games start Sunday for Texas and Houston.
 
1076GO
      ID: 120252515
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 11:16 		Can anyone summarize a list of tweaks and changes we voted on since I wrote the rulebook in #160.

I know of the below... but what were the other changes? I need to add to the writeup before posting and starting a regular season thread.

Voting Results
1. Proposal B passes 9-5 -- Trade deadline will be moved to closest Sunday to August 31st
2. Proposal B passes 8-6 -- Managers may have as many prospects as they want, provided they get down to 3 or less at time of prospect draft.
3. Proposal B is ahead 9-2 (called) - Old/New Prospect Rules phased out. All prospects can use the current callup system.
 
1077Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 12:22 		Add Prospect draft to be held BEFORE the regular draft
 
1078GO
      ID: 120252515
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 12:26 		I have added that. Anything else? Was the Prior rule confirmed?
 
1079Boldwin
      ID: 43272812
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 13:07 		Managers may have as many prospects as they want

To my knowledge we have never allowed more than 5 prospects. I don't remember if we made an exemption for 'in the middle of a complex trade' but I don't go for the phrase as many prospects as they want
 
1080GO
      ID: 120252515
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 13:13 		Yeah, we never did allow it. Until you voted on it above. And now you can.
 
1081Boldwin
      ID: 43272812
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 14:23 		Dang, gotta watch these wordings extremely closely. We seriously can trade for a stable of 6, 7...however many we want and just sit on them to see who progresses? There's a wrinkle I didn't see coming.
 
1082Tree
      ID: 131137414
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 14:37 		you've still gotta cut it down to 3 come draft time.
 
1083GO
      ID: 120252515
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 14:52 		Right, so the value is kind of limited if you know you gotta kick some guys to the curb at draft time... but it greatly frees up trading flexibility.
 
1084nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 15:11
GO did you send your response to Tree about Boggs?

 
1085GO
      ID: 120252515
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 15:16 		Yes.
 
1086Boldwin
      ID: 43272812
      Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 22:22 		So when does the waiver period expire? And what does 'Waiver Processing Days:' mean?
 
1087nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 04:20
Tree why does waivers say April 5th now?

That is 5 days into the season. You said you were ending it on the 29th, now suddenly it has changed.

What is going on?


 
1088nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 04:26
Tree Saturday is March 30th, but you have changed waiver to April 5th?


 
1089Boldwin
      ID: 48234293
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 04:34 		It has been my experience that the controls are rarely as user friendly or as flexible as you would expect them to be. Inadvertently screwing things up irreparably is easier than falling off a log.
 
1090Boldwin
      ID: 48234293
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 04:39 		I just changed the 'end waiver' date to the earliest option that was available to me, namely this coming Saturday. AM? PM? Your guess is as good as mine.

This is the first time I have touched that particular control. Don't blame me for that Apr.5 thing.
 
1091Boldwin
      ID: 48234293
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 04:46 		Nope...looking at the results, even tho it gave me the option of resetting waiver dates back to March 30, it looks like it was only giving me the option of changing the dates for three specific players, and those waiver dates stayed the same, Apr. 5.

Perhaps the fix if any is in 'Edit League Settings' but it is surely not in 'Edit Player Waiver Dates' where you would expect it to be. I don't have the time or bravery to tinker with 'Edit League Settings' atm.
 
1092Boldwin
      ID: 48234293
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 05:06 		Settings options give you the choice between continuous and standard. It was set on continuous when I checked into it.

It was also set on 'process claims on Fri'. So it thinks it should process all claims a week from now therefore, is my guess.

The faq provided reads
Use these settings to give everyone in the league a fair chance at picking up players. Continuous means that all unowned players are on waivers at all times. Waiver claims are processed on fixed days of the week as defined by the commissioner. When a player is dropped, he must remain on waivers for a set number of days before he can be claimed; that number of days is indicated by the Waiver Time setting. Standard means that all dropped players go onto waivers for a period of time specified by the Waiver Time parameter, and if unclaimed become free agents.

Note that while changing your waiver rule or continuous waiver clear days during the season are allowed, changing either setting can lead to confusing or unexpected behavior. In particular, if your league has any outstanding waiver claims on players, or has players on waivers due to being dropped or newly added to the game, when you transition between modes or change clear days, players may not clear waivers when you might predict or expect.
I'm guessing we'd be better served on standard waiver setting. But I'm not pushing any buttons.
 
1093Tree
      ID: 2510132311
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 07:52 		Post 1062 people.
 
1094Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 08:33 		before panicking, people should read the posts around here.

i'm going to (hopefully) restore our free agent/waiver system back to normal now.

NO FREE AGENT PICK UPS BEFORE 12 NOON EASTERN, TOMORROW, SATURDAY, MARCH 30, 2013.

any pick ups before then, i will adjust accordingly.
 
1095biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 08:44 		We can't use the waiver system? Who ever is the quickest on the draw gets a player?

Let me know when it's okay to panic. I'm going to be coaching t-ball at that time.
 
1096biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 08:48 		Okay, taking a look, it granted me nelson this morning. Is that right, or are you going to reverse it?

I don't think there are any hugely valuable pick ups out there right now. Just trying to understand your intent here.
 
1097Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 09:11 		bili -

lets see if i can get this explanation from my brain to my finger tips and still have it make sense. bullet pointing might make it easier for myself.

1. our league has always had waivers at the start of the season, and then when that initial waivers period is over, we go immediately to free agency.

2. because of when Baldwin initially put in our rosters and "started" the season, things went into that waiver period earlier than expected, with no announcement to the league, which had previously been the norm, and the expectation.

3. to undo that, and essentially restart waivers, i had to do some machinations (which are too lengthy to explain), as Yahoo has no simple button to just put everyone on waivers and restart it automatically.

4. That waiver process went through at midnight last night, as described in some of the above posts.

and now we are in the free agency period - rather than just go with "quickest on the draw" right now, i basically had to pick a random time so everyone can have a fair start.

the only way to place every player back on waivers is to do what i did in #3 above, and then have waivers go through again tonight, which will make everyone a free agent sometime in the middle of the night tonight. and then undo it again.

-----------

i do like the idea of continuous waivers, but that's something for another discussion, and a league vote, because it's a somewhat radical change, and something we had never done before because i don't believe yahoo instituted it until last year.
 
1098Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 09:13 		re: Nelson -

he was a waiver pickup, not a free agent pick up - initial waivers went through last night.

free agency begins tomorrow at noon.
 
1099biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 09:56 		Alright. That makes no sense, but I guess I understand, through contextual history, your decision making. Alright.

It shouldn't matter unless we see some dramatic injury or managerial decision in the next 26 hours.
 
1100Tree
      ID: 26213299
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 10:13 		it probably should have just been like "hey, we're in the free agency period now, so have at it," but this league seems to have a want for a "ready? set. GO!" start.

(and for the record, i'm not blaming Baldwin. i was basically unavailable for most of the weekend, and missed all this going on. just some fixes that needed to happen, in part, because Yahoo isn't as user friendly as one might think)
 
1101nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 14:39
So no pick ups until tomorrow at noon?

And what was the decision by GO on Boggs. There is no reason for it to be a secret.
 
1102nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 14:43

tree why is Boggs on your team? You are holding him for GO and or me?

If GO takes him he must use his #1 waiver.

 
1103Tree
      ID: 442482911
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 15:03 		hmm, that's odd.

i had put a claim in for him when waivers first went up, but didn't see a point in changing it. i figured it would just roll to my second choice when GO grabbed him, because he emailed me to let me know he was picking up with the empty spot he has on his roster.


i'll email him and get back to you.
 
1104GO
      ID: 300542419
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 15:26 		I thought I had the claim in, thats why I freed up a spot with the DL... not sure why it didn't work.
 
1105Tree
      ID: 442482911
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 15:27 		ok. i'll fix it. easy enough. and i'm going to add the guy to my roster that i would have gotten if i didn't have Boggs added.

and i'll re-adjust the waiver order accordingly.
 
1106GO
      ID: 300542419
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 15:32 		You could just cut him - adjust his waiver to 1 day and I do the claim again so it takes away my #1 priority... or do it all manually of course. But remember to move your priority back to where it was.
 
1107Tree
      ID: 172172916
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 17:17 		fixed. and i think i have the waiver order correct.
 
1108Boldwin
      ID: 48234293
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 17:25 		thats why I freed up a spot with the DL

How did you manage that? I haven't seen any injured players labelled as such by the yahoo system yet.
 
1109Tree
      ID: 172172916
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 18:01 		i did the same thing. it's why i drafted Michael Pineda. i saw he was DLed, and figured he'd be a nice stash for now...
 
1110Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 19:06 		<1108> Seems we are just waiting for Yahoo to respond to team announcements. For me Motte has the DL, Hanley Ramirez does not.

Somehow I thought I would be able to replace Ruiz, who is on a drug suspension, but that dont qualify for DL designation. Gonna have to weigh my options there, I should have known better.
 
1111Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 19:08 		Not sure if Ryan Madsen is even going to the DL right now. So, I am just going to have to sit tight and see how these things play out, with a very short bench.
 
1112GO
      ID: 300542419
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 20:27 		You are not waiting for Yahoo to react, you are waiting for the respective teams to OFFICIALLY put these guys on the DL. Once they do so then Yahoo adds the DL designation. Some teams choose to not file that paperwork til the season starts for whatever reason i.e. the Red Sox and Ortiz who I have. But the Braves have already officially put McCann on the DL.

Go to MLB.com to see the official team transactions.
 
1113GO
      ID: 300542419
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 20:27 		MLB Transactions
 
1114Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 20:58 		post 1094 people. no free agent pick ups until noon tomorrow.

and i have *NO* idea what that waiver transaction is...waivers shouldn't have processed.
 
1115GO
      ID: 300542419
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 21:02 		You need to email that to the league or at least post in the Yahoo page, I don't think more than a couple people saw that post.
 
1116Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 21:12 		i did email it. in all caps at that!
 
1117GO
      ID: 300542419
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 21:16 		I now see it in my spam.
 
1118Boldwin
      ID: 48234293
      Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 22:57 		When you said noon tomorrow I didn't know if that was noon today or tomorrow. You said it close enuff to midnite I was thinking, who knows. If it goes thru, it must be today.

That said, my DL guy hasn't been put on the DL yet so I din't get to do anything and I had the guy I wanted since round 20 taken out from under me...ack. Thot I might be his only fan.
 
1119Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sat, Mar 30, 2013, 00:12 		Guilty as charged, retiree who dont know what day it is, thought today was saturday when i did it. Glad you were able to reverse it easily.
 
1120Tree
      ID: 131137414
      Sat, Mar 30, 2013, 00:51 		re 1118 - it pretty clearly says Saturday, as well as the date.

 
1121Boldwin
      ID: 22210309
      Sat, Mar 30, 2013, 10:28 		The e-mail. Which I check bi-yearly as a hard and fast rule.
 
1122Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Sat, Mar 30, 2013, 12:47 		not my problem if you choose not to check your email.
 
1123nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sat, Mar 30, 2013, 18:35
Just signed up for MLB.com TV

 
1124Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Sat, Mar 30, 2013, 19:44 		Yeah. Cancelled cable, but buy this for sure.
 
1125Nerveclinic
      ID: 52134819
      Sun, Mar 31, 2013, 02:00
I haven't had cable for 20 years...


 
1126Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 31, 2013, 11:55 		I purchased the NBA league pass, and go to bars for NFL games. I prefer to listen to baseball while doing other things, watching baseball doesnt do it for me.

Baseball is very fun to play (played organized softball until my late 40s), but doesnt hold my attention unless its a big game on TV. It ranks just ahead of Golf and Nascar for me when it comes to watching it on TV, though a day at the Ballpark is still very fun.
 
1127Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Sun, Mar 31, 2013, 19:21 		You can listen to every single game, in any city including Cleveland amazingly, all season long. I think it was 12 bucks last year.
 
1128Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Mar 31, 2013, 19:45 		I have sirius sub with my new truck, paid like $2 extra/month to get the audio on any PC or smart phone. Well worth it on the $2 extra. All major sports broadcasts.
 
1129GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 31, 2013, 19:53 		I have over 1000 channels and Verizon FIOS rules. I can Tweet via a FIOS widget right on my Samsung Smart TV while watching a second game streaming live on my iPad and posting Facebook updates in real time. Then can keep the boxscores flowing and doing roster updates right from my Android smartphone.
 
1130GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Mar 31, 2013, 20:13 		I will start a regular season thread tomorrow with the rules in the opening thread. Please tell me what to do with the Prior rule by then.
 
1131nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Mon, Apr 01, 2013, 11:15

Isn't it clear if we do the prospect draft before the regular draft, we no longer need it? Or am I missing something?

 
1132Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Mon, Apr 01, 2013, 18:54 		The main issue seems to be whether or not we can draft non-yahoo players in the regular draft. This an issue regardless of order.
 
1133Boldwin
      ID: 47351116
      Mon, Apr 01, 2013, 19:43 		I'd just barely consider voting down the Prior Rule if you promised me a blood oath that I'd never have to be a commish or co-commish or secretary or any person required to keep a list of mystery players on rosters who don't appear on Yahoo. The actual prospect list and the trades are more than enuff to cause screw-ups and headaches.
 
1134Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 04:07
Oh are we really going to open that can of worms where people can own players that aren't on their prospect list and aren't in Yahoo?

It makes no sense.

Why should we allow people to start owning players just before they get into the Yahoo system so they can cheat another owner who has a higher waiver?

The player outside the Yahoo data base comes in through waivers, he belongs to the manager who has saved the highest waiver claim who decides to add him using his waiver.

To allow anything else is cheating the manager with the higher waiver out of his rightful claim.

It's just a sneaky way around the waiver system.

 
1135Boldwin
      ID: 2635426
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 08:18 		What Nerve said.
 
1136Boldwin
      ID: 2635426
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 08:37 		I would also like to point out that tho we've gained some really good new managers, some ready, willing and perhaps even supremely capable of administering a league...

...we are now way more than ever presented with the challenge of foreseeing every sneaky wrinkle in the rules that is capable of being exploited. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
1137GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 08:43 		I personally voted that a player needs to be in the Yahoo system (so I think that means I am in favor of maintaining the Prior Rule). And that should make it simpler than trying to track placeholders and empty roster spots for a minor league guy not in the system.

BUT Yahoo does seem to randomly add players, so its kind of odd to base whether I can pick one minor league vs. another cause Yahoo randomly decided to add him.

But once the season starts it should work really well as nerve says cause the new guys added will go through waivers and that is the fairest option of all.
 
1138Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 08:59 		Oh are we really going to open that can of worms where people can own players that aren't on their prospect list and aren't in Yahoo?

YOU are the one who opened that can of worms!! that's why we're voting on over turning a rule we don't need. LMAO

picking up players not in Yahoo isn't allowed by Yahoo's rules, so we don't need a rule as well.

 
1139Boldwin
      ID: 2635426
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 09:37 		In the olden days when we did things by gentlemanly consensus no one would think they could get away with reading about some high school phenom breaking out, and claim him in the regular season.

We are going away from the gentlemen phase and we have entered the legalistic phase.

Not meaning to cast any aspersions on anyone, but in the future people will point out, 'the rules do not specifically rule this out, so you have to let me do it'.
 
1140biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 09:38 		Dude. Go back and read some of the old, archived threads. It was lawyer central. Your memory is misty.
 
1141Boldwin
      ID: 2635426
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 09:46 		In a legalistic system every word and every omission of a word can have legally binding significance. Then you can't just say, 'no no, we didn't mean it like that, the rule is really more like...'

Which was the thing about the league that drove Toral nuts.
 
1142Boldwin
      ID: 2635426
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 09:48 		It was lawyer central.

No, it was 'Frustrated Lawyer Central', and Band of Uneasy Gentlemen.
 
1143Boldwin
      ID: 2635426
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 10:06 		In the future if I spot the next Carlos Rodon half-way thru the season and announce 'Guess what guys? I declare I just picked up Carlos Rodon 2.0'...

...you won't get to say, 'We've never done it like that.' or 'We didn't mean you could do that.' or 'Yahoo won't let you do that so you can't...

Nope, what will often or always happen is that Commish boot-in-your-@ss Bean will say 'Our rules don't disallow it, so legally he can do it. If you wanted to specifically disallow it, you already had your chance.' 'Words have meanings, pay closer attention, case closed'.

The gentlemen phase was fine for me, but it was undeniably problematic. Very. Maybe Tree's right and we need a 'boot-in-your-@ss commish for a change.

Even if we look back later and wish we had stayed gentlemenly, let's not forget, we had run out of gentlemen commish's willing to tolerate the grief and bear the workload.
 
1144C1-NRB
      ID: 451120913
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 10:07 		"Band of Uneasy Gentlemen"

Dibs on naming my team this as soon as Yahoo! increases the restrictions on name length from 20 characters to 25.
 
1145Boldwin
      ID: 2635426
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 10:24 		Nice, I really should change up my team names more often.
 
1146GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 10:25 		I need the Prospect Draft to complete in order to open up the Regular Season thread. You'd think we could actually get everyone to make their picks.
 
1147Tree
      ID: 132529
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 10:28 		Not meaning to cast any aspersions on anyone, but in the future people will point out, 'the rules do not specifically rule this out, so you have to let me do it'.

the rules absolutely do rule this out.

try it. try picking someone up during the regular season who is not in the yahoo database.

it can't be done.

Maybe Tree's right and we need a 'boot-in-your-@ss commish for a change.

i prefer to think of what i've tried to do over the past few years is be a "boot in your ass with some gentle prodding" commish.

this league needed/needs someone to lay down edicts now and then. otherwise we end up with multiple threads, all over 1000 posts, and all discussing the same thing over and over again.

as Bean said to me in an email, Fantasy Baseball is supposed to be fun.

there are some rules that are necessary. some stick. some change over time. some go away. and many, many, many, aren't needed at all.
 
1148ILoveAuthoritai
      ID: 2635426
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 10:36 		And if Commish BIYA Bean should relent and say, 'Even tho the rules don't disallow it, this league has never done it and Yahoo won't allow it'...

...two managers will quit, sayin' "I thot you said you were gonna give us a hard and fast rulebook and were gonna stick to the letter of the law!"

It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't job but someone has to do it.

The glue that won't let this league die no matter what is that we all respect these managers' fantasy skills and we all want to beat these guys bad...really bad!

I love change. Bring it on.
 
1149ILoveAuthoritai
      ID: 2635426
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 10:46

Epic challenge, magnificent ride.
 
1150Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 12:59 		<1143> OK guys, here is my opinion. Somewhere, in some thread after nerve brought it up, GO said, and it wont hurt to put down a couple more words. I said I concur.

So, its not a Prior rule anymore, its just a rule that says that "After the draft, you cannot pick up a player that is not in the Yahoo database."

It allows you to draft a guy that Yahoo overlooked, but once we get to the regular season, you need to use your waiver priority to pick a guy up as long as you use the correct settings in Yahoo, which are the defaults.

That should keep everyone happy, even if the commish does something stupid in Yahoo and it dont work right. Ultimately the commish can override whatever has been done in Yahoo with rosters as long as stats havent accumulated. That's a different issue.

If somehow we move from Yahoo, the intent is still in writing and can be transferred to the new host site.

Bottom line is that GO just wants your permission to put those words in the charter. Of those owners who have cared enough to comment at all, I think most agree this is the correct result. That said, I am just the closer in waiting here. The ball is STILL in Tree's capable hands.
 
1151Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:04 		That is different from what GO said. Can we or can't we draft someone in the regular draft not in yahoo?!!
 
1152nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:15

Isn't the correct phrase once the "Prospect" Draft is over we can no longer add a player not in the system. If we allow otherwise it's the same can of worms as the regular season.

 
1153GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:22 		this good? Player must be in the Yahoo database to be drafted in the supplemental draft (or added during the season).
 
1154Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:23 		Not sure how its a can of worms to allow a guy to be drafted to the regular roster that isnt in the Yahoo database. The worst case scenario is you draft a prospect into your active roster that never makes it to the majors and you have an empty roster spot for the remainder of the season. Who loses out but you? I dont understand why that is an issue to anyone.
 
1155GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:29 		Because among other things, tracking that would be a pain to make sure that guy never uses that spot.
 
1156Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:40 		Guess I saw checking the yahoo database constantly for the guy during the draft as the bigger pain. And what do you do about it if a guy IS drafted in draft time despite the rules. To me that is the unspoken can of worms here.

If its allowed, than keeping track of the one or two guys who will either 1) eventually be on their rosters or 2) get cut from their rosters is far more preferable. As commish you reconcile this one time, when you enter the players in the Yahoo rosters, not continuously throughout the draft. Its just less controversial as a result and less work. That's why i keep saying who cares if you waste a spot on the roster.

Either way, I am Ok with it, just want to see this issue closed and never discussed again.
 
1157Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:44 		And lets not forget about the guy who was not in Yahoo at the start of the draft and is added during the draft. How do we handle that guy?
 
1158GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:46 		I think we said it somewhere before -- its going to be up to the manager to check he's in Yahoo before making the pick - not on the commishes to check that 500 players are. Its their responsibility. If they can't take 10 seconds to confirm a questionable guy is in the database and pick a guy who isn't -- then their penalty is all the picks that might happen until they get around to repicking.
 
1159GO
      ID: 120252515
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:47 		1157 - I see that the same as the guy who gets named closer out of nowhere halfway through the draft. Just luck of the draw. But I am not aware of anyone being added that late in the pre-season.
 
1160Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:51 		GO I am OK with the ruleset, just want it ALL spelled out so that it isnt controversial in the future when all I do is apply the rules that we all agreed to.
 
1161Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:53 		If I have learned anything about this league, its that if we CAN argue about something, we WILL.
 
1162Boldwin
      ID: 7349219
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 20:50 		I can think of no way to screw up GO's rule in #1153 and at least four ways to screw things up, end up drafting someone else's player all the time, and overburden the commish record keeping with Bean's versions.

 
1163Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 22:26 		<1162> I can see no way to screw things up with 1153 as long as the rule explicitly says what happens if despite the rule, some one still picks up a player in draft time who is ineligible. It happened this year with the Prior Rule in place, so dont tell me it wont happen again.

I also want to have it spelled out exactly how to interpret what happens when a player appears in the Yahoo database mid-draft. You dont put it in the rules now, you will force me to spell it out pre-draft every year I am commissioner to avoid the inevitable debate.

As GO has said before, why not just write a few more words? As you have said before, we are all gentlemen, so why not just go along with my request?
 
1164Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 22:40 		Tune into yu right now if you can.
 
1165Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 22:58 		Oh no! Thru his legs, 2 outs bottom of the ninth.
 
1166Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 23:08 		14 Ks one hit in 8.2 IPs . That's pretty hard to top.
 
1167Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 01:42 		watching the last few innings, here in bar in Fort Worth, was nuts.

everyone was on the edge of their seats, and then a collective scream and everyone burying their heads in their hands in disbelief.

it wasn't quite Game 6, but it was close.
 
1168Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 01:43 		I also want to have it spelled out exactly how to interpret what happens when a player appears in the Yahoo database mid-draft. You dont put it in the rules now, you will force me to spell it out pre-draft every year I am commissioner to avoid the inevitable debate.

if he's in yahoo, he's eligible. if he wasn't there when you drafted, sorry about your luck.
 
1169Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 03:12 		yup, just put it in writing is all i ask, then I wont be the bad guy, the rules will be. wont be personal, will be clinical.
 
1170GO
      ID: 120252515
      Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 10:43 		Needs to available in the Yahoo database "at the time he is picked in the supplemental draft" ?
 
1171Nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 11:17

And I think GO is right, they generally don't anyone new until right before or after the season starts.

 
1172PV
      ID: 1010151016
      Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 11:48 		Re Jorge's skipped prospect pick. I'm in Las Vegas playing in a golf tournament. I suggest using league email to inform him he needs to either make a pick within 24 hours or forfeit.
 
1173GO
      ID: 82361413
      Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 11:56 		Already did.
 
1174Boldwin
      ID: 37321317
      Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 18:41 		It happened this year with the Prior Rule in place - Bean#1163

Apparently it wasn't. If it was, I couldn't tell.
 
1175Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 01:22 		Yahoo has give us something new - the NA roster slot

i am wondering if we shouldn't add 5 NA slots, so we can put our prospects there and not worry about someone else grabbing them because they weren't paying attention.
 
1176Boldwin
      ID: 29348322
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 02:45 		Absolutely not. I don't want my prospects automatically thrown onto our active roster when they hit the bigs.
 
1177Boldwin
      ID: 29348322
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 04:42 		Subjective of course:
Best value picks

1.08 Gallardo, Yovani - Tree

1.13 Rollins, Jimmy - Boldwin [still a keeper in my book, but you know me and old players]

8.11 Hellickson, Jeremy - Punk, really slid IMO.

9.04 Minor, Mike - WG

9.06 Belt, Brandon - bili, I really like this pick for this team at this spot in the draft. Bili in the right place at the right time.

9.07 Viciedo, Dayan - PV, stealthy

9.13 Granderson, Curtis - Boldwin, thanks.

10.03 Vogelsong, Ryan - C1-NRB

10.13 Hammel, Jason - Boldwin. opening day high-strikout pitcher on a nice team in the tenth round. At this draft spot, worth it if I just get a safe but highish 3.80 ERA along with the 200 K's and wins I expect. This Bal team is rockin' finally.

11.13 Ramirez, Alexei - Boldwin, pretty solid multi-position UT at this point in the draft.

13.01 Porcello, Rick - Bobo

13.03 Ruggiano, Justin - C1-NRB, one of the nicest multi-position UT's out there. This one kinda stung at the time, tho I'm slightly revising my estimate of this player downward just recently. I had high hopes for him.

13.08 Dunn, Adam - Tree, that's a lotta HR's this late in the draft.

15.02 Buchholz, Clay - Jorge, insane value, maybe the best value pick of the draft.

High upside coinflips
Guys that are a big chance of being average, but have game-changing upside. Gambles I like.

2.13 Lester, Jon - Boldwin I think he's all the way back, but pitchers are evil.

3.11 Samardzija, Jeff - Nerve, I'm a big big believer, but he's a Cub. He's a one year wonder kinda and historically the Cub's easily can turn a great year into a sub-ten win season. I'm the first person Nerve should target for a trade here.

3.14 Lincecum, Tim - GO, huge upside, less than 50% chance of paying off even close to 3'rd round value IMO. Happy to see GO take this gamble even tho I fear it.

7.05 Ryu, Hyun-Jin - Bobo, I like it. Tho I've seen a lotta Japanese pitchers deliver surprising grief.

7.10 Eaton, Adam - VW, that's about where he is going in expert leagues. High ceiling, high chance of washing out, for this year at least.

8.07 Teheran, Julio - PV, probably a brilliant pick. My estimation of this player sure changed in a hurry.

9.14 Youkilis, Kevin - GO, I remember when Youkilis was Youkilis and he's gonna get choice batting order and opportunity to shine. Such bad numbers lately and there was no way I was taking him over Granderson 9.13 but I was feelin the attraction for Youkilis at this point.

Interesting picks:

1.14 Soriano, Rafael - GO goes entirely against the prevailing wisdom, 'never pay for saves'. With a keeper closer as well. If everything goes right he can get three slots of saves for the roster space of two. Are cracks starting to show in Papelbon?

Prospect, rookie or small sample size wonder taken in the top half of the draft. [I'm not including guys I think are locks]

2.08 Perez, Salvador - Tree, I think he pays off but I'm always shocked at people paying full price for sleepers. You almost have to in our league.

2.14 Matt Harvey - GO

4.10 Gyorko, Jedd - VW, wow that's taking him high. Tho I do think he pays off.

7.05 Jansen, Kenley - Taxman
8.01 Fujikawa, Kyuji - Bobo

8.10 Bradley, Jackie - VW, another great pickup for a rebuilding team, which VW's isn't really.

10.05 Martin, Leonys - Taxman

11.11 Simmons, Andrelton - Punk

12.06 Alburquerque, Al - bili, lookin even better after seeing the Det pen blowing up.

Fantastic build-for-the-future pick

7.10 Eaton, Adam - VW

8.04 Puig, Yasiel - WG

9.01 Rosenthal, Trevor - Bobo, [I know I know, you aren't rebuilding, yer gonna win it this year]

3.03 Trumbo, Mark - C1-NRB, maybe not fantastic value but the right sort of gamble for this team. Wouldn't he have slipped more?

 
1178Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 10:34 		Absolutely not. I don't want my prospects automatically thrown onto our active roster when they hit the bigs.

um. they're not. that's not how it works.

they're NA. they don't automatically get thrown onto the active roster. you'd have to manually move them.

this prevents things like people accidentally picking up prospects.
 
1179Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 10:42 		Sounds good to me, only need to make sure people who arent on the prospect list dont slide into the NA roster slots. No way to prevent that it would seem.
 
1180Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 10:53 		This solves the wrong problem. People pick up the non-na players, because they are useful and playing. I assume as soon as they become active, and other managers would start erroneously considering to pick them up, you would be forced to remove them from those spots or cease being able to make transactions. If that's not true, then I could see some benefit, albeit with complications.
 
1181Tree
      ID: 0271015
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 11:00 		hmm, that's a good point Bili. let me do a little more research. if they can stay in your NA spot indefinitely, it works. if not, it doesn't.
 
1182Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 11:17 		another possible option to look at is creating two additional teams to house the prospects. Of course early on you have to force them to a point where they are at the bottom for all 10 stat categories. I've seen that done effectively before.
 
1183Boldwin
      ID: 29348322
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 11:31 		I cannot see where in the wording it says that we define who is NA. Yahoo already labels people NA. Why shouldn't we conclude that this means only people with Yahoo's designation are eligible to be placed or to continue occupying space on our NA bench?
 
1184Boldwin
      ID: 29348322
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 11:40 		Doesn't this wording almost guarantee that Yahoo are the ones picking the NA pool of NA available players?
Player designations are updated each evening as information becomes available, so the NA status won't update until the day following their MLB debut.
I think the chances Nerve can place Carlos Rodon on NA are about zero.

I'd love to place Granderson off my regular roster for his possible 50 game PED suspension but if Yahoo decides who gets the NA designation, how are our NA players not dumped back into the regular rosters as soon as they lose their NA thus screwing up our prospect roster?

I'd also love to be able to draft guys on 50 game PED suspensions without costing me a roster spot. Draft implications there.
 
1185Tree
      ID: 1830412
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 13:00 		I'd love to place Granderson off my regular roster for his possible 50 game PED suspension

broke this up into two points, because that's what this is.

this first is a no go. that's not what i am implying or intending in regards to the NA status. if you draft/keep/whatever a player and he gets suspended, that's on you.

i am discussing using the NA status STRICTLY FOR PROSPECTS THAT WE HAVE DRAFT/ACQUIRED THROUGH TRADE/ETC

but if Yahoo decides who gets the NA designation, how are our NA players not dumped back into the regular rosters as soon as they lose their NA thus screwing up our prospect roster?

like a player coming off the DL, they are not automatically moved to your roster, especially if there isn't a spot for them. you can keep someone on your DL indefinitely if you'd like.

the NA Yahoo Status doesn't change their Prospect status in OUR game. it is simply a place to "store" them. there is no need to over think this.

AGAIN, TO MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR: i am not discussing anything to change our active rosters or our game. i am not discussing using the NA status for players who are NOT on our current prospect lists.

i am only discussing players who are currently prospects, and places to hold them.
 
1186Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 13:04 		The fact that this leap was made, makes me suspect simply bringing this option up was a mistake...
 
1187Tree
      ID: 1830412
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 13:07 		that's not really a good conclusion bili.

Baldwin ALWAYS takes a leap when something new is brought up. it's inevitable in this league.

i think it really could help things out in regards to tracking prospects.

the rule is simple. the NA list is only for the prospects we own. no one else.
 
1188Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 14:16 		I've given this a little more thought. The only issue I see with using it is the need to police it during the season to make sure that ONLY prospects use the NA designation. It is a burden not unlike RIHC's IS where you have to check to make sure every injured replacement is returned to the FA pool once the original player is back in action. A stupid rule that could be eliminated by just incresing bench players, I might add. Anyway, I digress.

I dont know if you can do it this year Tree, but if its my responsibility next year, I would just as soon fix rosters when people accidentally pick up a prospect that was on a list that everyone has a copy of.

Its my experience that policing transactions is easier than policing rosters. The transaction log points you to the potential issues immediately.

Let me ask this, how often do people accidentally pick up a prospect that they should not have each season? If it is frequent, who is the culprit? If there are chronic abusers, then slap a penalty on them...one week of no transactions or something like that. Just a thought.
 
1189Tree
      ID: 1830412
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 14:23 		I dont know if you can do it this year Tree, but if its my responsibility next year, I would just as soon fix rosters when people accidentally pick up a prospect that was on a list that everyone has a copy of.

yes, it can be done immediately.

the problem arises if someone picks up a prospect, no one catches it, and then the player is used in a game.

there's no real way to backtrack on stats accumulated, as far as i know.
 
1190Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 14:27 		There are only three reasons why someone would pick up a protected prospect:

1) They used the list before selecting the player and made a mistake

2) They didnt use the list, relying on their apparently poor memory

3) They did it on purpose

Impose a penalty and you will eliminate #3 and you will greatly diminish #2 and perhaps even reduce #1. Just saying
 
1191Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 14:40 		<1177> Not a single guy on this list. Well obviously I am totally screwed. New goal: finish just ahead of Boldwin in 13th.
 
1192Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 15:29 		And happens a couple times a season. It's always #2.

I thin this "fix" will cause more problems than it will solve. Mainly because it won't solve any problems. Nobody accidentally picks up NA players.
 
1193Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 15:34 		And of they did, then the stats wouldn't be effected. They are inactive, right?
 
1194Tree
      ID: 1830412
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 15:53 		my concern is prospects who start as NA, then go off NA during the course of the season. there's nothing to stop them from being picked up - well, unless they're on someone's NA list. :o)
 
1195Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 17:23 		Which as far as I can tell, they can't be on. At least if the manager wants to make transactions. It's not explicit in the help, but they make parallels to the DL slot. That's how it works there.
 
1196Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 20:35 		And in summary, it seemed like it had promise, but on further investigation perhaps less value given the baggage it brings.
 
1197Boldwin
      ID: 13330423
      Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 00:46 		When you have someone on the DL who is no longer qualified, while it doesn't automatically dump the player back onto the active roster, it prevents you from making any further roster moves until you correct the situation.

If we try and use this NA system for the purpose Tree imagines we could, my strong presumption is that as soon as any of our prospects hit the bigs we will no longer be able to make roster moves [other than setting the daily lineup] until we move the now no longer qualifying NA off the NA list.

Tree has a fun idea. It just won't work like he thinks it will. If wishes were horses the Yahoo system would do anything we wanted it to.
 
1198GO
      ID: 300542419
      Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 09:36 		Anyone think Sags will finish his prospect draft anytime soon? Sure would be nice to open the regular season thread. I posted and emailed.
 
1200Boldwin
      ID: 323259
      Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 12:16 		Bean, I would just love to see your list and get your specific comments.
 
1201PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 17:04 		What have I missed
 
1202Boldwin
      ID: 28358512
      Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 19:17 		Yahoo teased us with a new feature that almost looks like we could stash our prospect keepers.
 
1203Bean
      Sustainer
      ID: 49934911
      Sun, Apr 07, 2013, 00:37 		<1200> Ask for my list in October, I will be glad to give it to you then.
 
1204GO
      ID: 300542419
      Sun, Apr 07, 2013, 23:21 		Sags less than 24 hours to make a prospect pick
 
1205Boldwin
      ID: 0331810
      Mon, Apr 08, 2013, 13:52 		Whew, kinda glad I didn't get discouraged and sit Butler after they kept him mainly on the bench for the first inter-league game.

Give these studs a day off and so often they explode the next day, I've noticed.
 
1206Boldwin
      ID: 0331810
      Mon, Apr 08, 2013, 13:52 		Grand slam and 7 RBI.
 
1207Tree
      ID: 40328723
      Mon, Apr 08, 2013, 16:42 		Let me ask this, how often do people accidentally pick up a prospect that they should not have each season?

well, there's the first. lol
 
1208Boldwin
      ID: 8324919
      Wed, Apr 10, 2013, 03:05 		Stupid rules...grrr. My streamer Bedard one hits Seattle for four innings. Clemmens comes in and gives up 5 runs in 4 innings and gets the win.