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| Posted by: Boldwin
- [24320810] Mon, Apr 08, 2013, 13:35
There are no caring liberals once they grasp this clear Thatcher point.
Christopher Hitchens on Thatcher back when he was decidedly still a marxist. |
| | | 1 | Perm Dude
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Mon, Apr 08, 2013, 13:37
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Margaret Thatcher hated Sarah Palin. So she wasn't all bad.
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| | | 2 | Boldwin
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Mon, Apr 08, 2013, 13:44
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Thatcher would have loved Palin when she gets to be Reagan's age in office. Palin is still gathering her arsenal. She is Thatcher's equal in instincts however.
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| | | 3 | Boldwin
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Mon, Apr 08, 2013, 13:47
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Annette Funicello dies today also. Cringing in anticipation of the third.
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| | | 4 | sarge33rd
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Mon, Apr 08, 2013, 16:32
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that was a day or two ago...Roger Ebert
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| | | 5 | Tree
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Mon, Apr 08, 2013, 16:41
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it's always cute when Baldwin tries to save face with his gross over-estimations of Palin.
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| | | 6 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Mon, Apr 08, 2013, 16:55
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Now twisting both Thatcher and Reagan's clearly-stated views. Nice. Might as well end all quotes with "according to Abraham Lincoln" or "according to Einstein."
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| | | 8 | Seattle Zen
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Thu, Apr 11, 2013, 17:17
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BBC's Radio 1 plays the top 40 songs on the British charts. A Facebook group urged people to buy "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" on iTunes this week and it is nearly number one.
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| | | 9 | Boldwin
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Thu, Apr 11, 2013, 20:29
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Why marxists hate her so much...she shines the light on the central ugly truth about them.
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| | | 13 | Boldwin
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Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 15:53
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And the third shoe drops.
Jonathan Winters
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| | | 15 | Boldwin
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Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 06:36
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British libs go Westboro at thatcher funeral, apparently to 'The Guardian's' delight.
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| | | 16 | Mith
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Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 08:19
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So extremist liberals I the UK act just like our extremist conservatives here.
Who knew?
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| | | 17 | Tree
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Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 11:08
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British libs go Westboro at thatcher funeral...
um. what?
do you even know what you say?
they were protesting Thatcher and her politics. Rarely, if ever, is Westboro protesting the person who's funeral they are at.
now, granted, what was in that video wasn't terribly appropriate, but it wasn't Westboro either.
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| | | 18 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 11:27
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Did the protesters use God to justify their actions?
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| | | 19 | Boldwin
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Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 11:32
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They used their secular religion to justify hate-filled interruptions of a funeral.
Who knew the secular religion of peace, love and anti-hypocrisy was actually in favor of Westboro actions? They never send me the memo.
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| | | 20 | Pancho Villa
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Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 13:08
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They used their secular religion to justify hate-filled interruptions of a funeral.
Fairly tale. The protests had nothing to do with secular religion of any sort. It's truly ironic that the protests against Thatcher come from a segment of Brits who Boldwin consistently uses as an example of Obama's treacherous policies.
Sky's Mick McCarthy, in the former coal town of Goldthorpe in South Yorkshire, said: "There is a truly unique atmosphere. As much of the nation mourns, the mood among former miners and their families in many former coalfields is upbeat and celebratory.
"More than 1,000 people have turned up for what has been described as a death party - unlike any other event I can remember with babies wearing The Witch is Dead t-shirts and a parade lead by a mock hearse and coffin."
In Durham, dozens of ex-miners arrived at a club in Easington Colliery, with many of them saying they were there to celebrate Baroness Thatcher's death.
Hundreds are expected to attend the event, which will also commemorate the end of mining in the town.
Dave Douglass, who worked at Doncaster coalfield for 35 years, said he was there to mourn her birth.
"She wanted to smash the union and sell off whatever was profitable," he said.
"I'm here to mourn her birth as she represents the system that we are all still suffering under.
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Need I dig through this forum for Boldwin quotes detailing Obama's war on coal? Who knew Thatcher and Obama were more connected than Thatcher and Reagan?
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| | | 21 | boikin
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Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 16:04
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Yes you should and while you do it see how many of his posts use the term union thugs...I hate to support Boldwin but these two things have nothing in common.
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| | | 22 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318
Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 17:25
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these two things have nothing in common
So, you're saying that Thatcher's policies concerning the coal mining industry has nothing in common with the hatred coal miners are expressing?
Perhaps you can explain to me how this analysis is relevant.
They used their secular religion to justify hate-filled interruptions of a funeral
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| | | 23 | Boldwin
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Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 17:43
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This isn't rocket science.
Thatcher was breaking a union culture in which every union regularly blackmailed the country with work stoppages every six months. It was just out of hand.
Obama isn't picking on a union. He is trying to destroy a vital leg in American energy production. Made even worse because he is simultaneously attacking every other mature energy source.
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| | | 26 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318
Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 19:11
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Thatcher was breaking a union culture in which every union regularly blackmailed the country with work stoppages every six months. It was just out of hand.
I'm not contending the pros and cons of Thatcher's anti-union policies. But where Obama is accused of trying to destroy a vital leg in American energy production, Thatcher, the most polarising prime minister in modern British history, is nowhere more thoroughly despised than here, in northern England's coal belt, where her crackdown against striking miners is blamed for wiping out an entire industry that had sustained a community for generations.
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What was not known at the time was that under the direction of Thatcher a huge stockpile of coal had been built up to safeguard against a possible strike. It was clear that this was not simply an industrial dispute, but that this was designed from the beginning as a direct government/Union war and Thatcher intended to win.
On March 5 1984 the government announced the accelerated closure of 5 pits and that Cortonwood Colliery at Brampton Bierlow, and Bullcliffe Wood colliery, near Ossett and Herrington in County Durham, Snowdown in Kent and Polmaise in Scotland were to shut within five weeks.
Bottom line is Thatcher closed mines and devastated the industry in Britain. Indisputable. Under Obama, coal production has actually
increased. Coal production from the United States rebounded from 2009 and showed a second consecutive year of increase, the U.S. Energy Department reported.
Production from the U.S. interior, which includes Texas, increased 6.4 percent from 2010 levels to around 166 million tons. Texas accounted for 40 percent of that increase, the Energy Department's Energy Information Administration reported.
U.S. exports of coal reached a level not seen since 1991, with around 107 million tons of coal sent to overseas markets last year. The EIA said the United States increased its coal trade to countries like India, Japan and South Korea because flooding in Australia, the world's largest coal exporter, disrupted coal mining there.
Of course, the secular religion comment remains clownish drooling.
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| | | 27 | Boldwin
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Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 19:24
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Wow, way to lie with statistics! Epic!
Record number of coal fired plants shut down in 2012. In 2012, 57, planned due to Obamamalfunction - 175 coal-fired generators, or 8.5 percent of the total coal-fired capacity in the United States.
Which Obama promised would happen to the coal industry while he was running for his first term. Can anyone forget that golden moment?
Oh, how to explain increased coal exports...hmmm...that's a tuff one...hmmm...who can say?
Must be that champion of coal miners and unions, Barrack Obama! What else could it be?
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| | | 28 | Boldwin
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Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 19:50
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I have to say, that takes the cake. PV is a champion in the chutzpah department, but trying to portray Obama as a champion of the coal industry has got to be the most transparent, outrageously backwards propaganda attempt ever made on these boards. If you got every propagandist in the history of the world together in one room, they couldn't make that case.
Put that one in the Rotoguru Hall of Fame. I insist.
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| | | 29 | Pancho Villa
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Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 20:22
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PV is a champion in the chutzpah department
I'm not even in your league, star.
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| | | 30 | Perm Dude
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Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 21:02
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#28 is a great example. He's so good he doesn't even know he's going it. Damn.
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| | | 31 | Boldwin
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Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 22:48
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You guys are also great representatives for 'The Big Lie'.
Obama came right out and said, 'Go ahead and build a coal fired powerplant, but we'll bankrupt you.'
And you guys know he said that.
And you just gang up and pretend Obama is a friend of the coal industry.
Disgraceful.
If this board had anything resembling balance, you'd be laughed right out the place.
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| | | 32 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318
Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 22:59
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Why do you insist on making things up? Where did anyone, including me, pretend Obama is a friend of the coal industry. or portray Obama as a champion of the coal industry?
It's your comprehension skills that are disgraceful. Neither Thatcher nor Obama were/are friends of coal. That's what you failed to address, instead flying into the all too expected rant that had nothing to do with my posts. So you'll continue to get laughed out of the place despite your delusions of superstar status.
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| | | 33 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 23:03
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To say nothing of the fact that it wasn't Obama who said the quote in question. A small point, but when the big pile of doo doo rests on a quote being attributed to someone who didn't actually say it, it merely reinforces that the Far Right has only one thing going for it: Unfocused, fact-challenged outrage.
And I, and America, had enough of that from the Left in the 70's thank you very much.
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| | | 34 | Tree
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Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 23:05
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post 32 had me literally LOL.
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| | | 35 | sarge33rd
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Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 23:12
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re 27...I dont suppose the fact that natural gas prices have plummeted, supplies have skyrocketed and market forces...would have anything at all to do with coals fall from grace...would it? the fact that natural gas is cleaner burning, cheaper and less environmentally intrusive to obtain...none of those would have had any impact do you suppose?
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| | | 36 | Boldwin
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Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 12:02
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Why do you insist on making things up? Where did anyone, including me, pretend Obama is a friend of the coal industry. or portray Obama as a champion of the coal industry? - PV
I don't know any other way to interpret your intentions when you posted:Bottom line is Thatcher closed mines and devastated the industry in Britain. Indisputable. Under Obama, coal production has actually
increased. Coal production from the United States rebounded from 2009 and showed a second consecutive year of increase, the U.S. Energy Department reported.
Production from the U.S. interior, which includes Texas, increased 6.4 percent from 2010 levels to around 166 million tons. Texas accounted for 40 percent of that increase, the Energy Department's Energy Information Administration reported.
U.S. exports of coal reached a level not seen since 1991, with around 107 million tons of coal sent to overseas markets last year. The EIA said the United States increased its coal trade to countries like India, Japan and South Korea because flooding in Australia, the world's largest coal exporter, disrupted coal mining there. To say nothing of the fact that it wasn't Obama who said the quote in question. A small point, but when the big pile of doo doo rests on a quote being attributed to someone who didn't actually say it - PD
I also don't know who else to blame for these words which appear for all the world to be coming out of Obama's mouth.
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| | | 37 | Tree
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Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 12:13
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I also don't know who else to blame for these words which appear for all the world to be coming out of Obama's mouth.
i'm pretty sure you're either not reading other posts, or incapable of reading them.
from PV's right before yours - THE ONE YOU QUOTED IN YOUR OWN POST: Why do you insist on making things up? Where did anyone, including me, pretend Obama is a friend of the coal industry. or portray Obama as a champion of the coal industry? - PV
PV says no one here - including himself - has pretended Obama is a friend of the coal industry. YOU agree with him, yet still argue.
the part about "making things up" is your insistence that people here are claiming he is some champion of the coal industry.
it's REALLY bizarre. you're in such a rush to argue, you're not even reading the posts you copy and paste. it makes you look foolish.
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| | | 40 | Boldwin
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Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 12:41
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I'll repeat and simplify for the slow.
PV posts a post obviously intended to portray Thatcher as the coal hating grinch who stole our coal jobs, and juxtaposed that with several paragraphs making coal out to be booming, he means to infer, booming because of Obama.
This would support my phrase, trying to portray Obama as a champion of the coal industry , a phrase which PV denied and mocked in post#32.
If anyone actually still believes PV wasn't trying to portray Obama as a hero of the coal industry, please explain paragraphs 5-8 in post#26.
People who actually are in the coal industry beg to differ.
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| | | 41 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 13:04
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PV: Coal miners, like all groups, are only right when they agree with his current political point. Otherwise they are just union rabble-rousers looking for a fight.
When in doubt, go with "Obama is wrong. Utterly and completely."
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| | | 42 | Tree
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Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 13:11
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I'll repeat and simplify for the slow.
PV posts a post obviously intended to portray Thatcher as the coal hating grinch who stole our coal jobs, and juxtaposed that with several paragraphs making coal out to be booming, he means to infer, booming because of Obama.
you're repeating and simplifying for yourself?
PV did no such thing. in fact, his statements It's your comprehension skills that are disgraceful. Neither Thatcher nor Obama were/are friends of coal ARE VERY CLEAR...on multiple points.
there is NO PLACE in these recent discussions were PV has to portray Obama as a hero of the coal industry.
please explain paragraphs 5-8 in post#26.
for you? you need someone to repeat and simplify for the slow?
really. your reading comprehension skills are dreck. PV pointed out that the coal industry has improved under Obama, but at NO POINT did he give credit for Obama.
in your lust to hate, you miss reality.
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| | | 43 | Boldwin
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Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 13:14
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Neither I nor Reagan and Thatcher were against coal miners or air traffic controllers. They were against out of control unions making unconscionable demands and unacceptably disrupting the country.
In Obama's case wrt coal, HE is the one unconscionably disrupting the country.
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| | | 44 | Boldwin
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Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 13:16
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1) It is demonstrably not boomtimes in the coal industry.
2) Trying to portray it as such was undeniably attempting to give Obama credit where it was not due.
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| | | 47 | PV In Grand Jct
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Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 20:41
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The denial is astonishing, though anticipated. Thatcher's policies had devastating effects on entire regions of British coal country, resulting in decades of poverty and they still hate her for it nearly 30 years later. But she broke the union, so to some misguided souls, she's a hero.
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| | | 48 | Boldwin
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Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 22:22
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The results of union leaders drunk with power and selfishness. There are limits to how long and often you can hold up an entire country with your selfish demands.
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| | | 49 | sarge33rd
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Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 22:26
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explain that to (a) the NRA and (b) the Christian rightwing
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| | | 50 | Boldwin
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Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 22:58
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So selfish to demand to be free.
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| | | 51 | sarge33rd
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Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 23:05
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if by free, you mean that you should be free to dictate to me, how to live...yeah, thats selfish of you. Or if by free, you mean free to judge me, yeah. Thats not only selfish, but unChristian of you. If by free, you mean free to to buy explosives with which to make bombs, even if you have been deemed mentally unstable, yeah. Thats selfish of you.
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| | | 52 | Boldwin
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Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 23:12
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Have a Hostess, dingdong.
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| | | 53 | Boldwin
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Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 23:45
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It boils down to this.
Worker A comes in to negotiate and points out he works harder and better than 75 % of the other workers and he asks for a significant raise. I shake his hand, give him his raise, and take him and his family out to dinner.
Worker B comes in, says he'll work as hard as he wants to and I'll just have to like it, insists he be paid twice what everyone else gets because his union leader is a bigger dick than your union leader, and furthermore his union intends to shut down the country until they are the highest paid dicks in the land...
I'll have a celebratory Big Gulp when he and his union gets thrown out of work.
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| | | 54 | sarge33rd
ID: 4609710
Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 23:53
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you're functionally unemployed. How the hell are you gonna give anyone a raise?
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| | | 55 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Fri, Apr 19, 2013, 02:19
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Companies aren't giving anyone raises right now. They are demanding (and getting) higher worker productivity than ever before, while refusing wages and benefits.
All the while stockpiling cash. Cash that used to be plowed into raises for the good workers, or new workers for expanding.
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| | | 56 | Boldwin
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Fri, Apr 19, 2013, 05:35
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1) RE:Sarge...I love how liberals are simply unable to grasp that in free countries we are not locked into our class, and that he who is poor today is just as likely rich yesterday or rich tomorrow.
I also love how they both pretend to represent the poor and hold them in such low regard.
BTW Sarge. In my mind you are still the owner of the skillset that launched a fabulous insurance business, [something I respect a hell-of-lot more than your internet persona], and not just some guy getting kicked around by life at the moment.
2) Re:PD...Worse than that, they are about to launch a world war to correct that perceived oversupply in the workforce.
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