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| Posted by: Nerveclinic
- [52134819] Fri, Feb 07, 2014, 17:58
Trade announcement.
Nerveclinic Trades Robby Cano to Dust Storm Troopers for Joey Votto.
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| | | 1 | Nerveclinic
ID: 52134819
Fri, Feb 07, 2014, 18:01
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Is anyone interested in Adrian Gonzales?
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| | | 2 | C1-NRB
ID: 150202411
Fri, Feb 07, 2014, 18:10
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Nerveclinic Trades Robby Cano to Dust Storm Troopers for Joey Votto.
Confirmed. Game on!
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| | | 3 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, Feb 08, 2014, 12:38
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Still need four to sign up for the yahoo league, will be sending them an e-mail today:
Nerveclinic
Taxman
billireuben
Sags
Please sign up so we can determine how many are not coming back and find replacement owners. I'd like to start looking for replacements on Monday.
If you need another invite please let me know.
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| | | 4 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Sun, Feb 09, 2014, 08:54
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Sorry, done...
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| | | 5 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sun, Feb 09, 2014, 10:27
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Have these possible keepers on the trading block, current plan is to keep one:
Sonny Gray
Justin Masterson
Wil Myers
Carlos Beltran
Send me an e-mail if you have any interest
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| | | 6 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sun, Feb 09, 2014, 11:53
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| | | 7 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sun, Feb 09, 2014, 12:07
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How's this for a Pre-season schedule:
Sunday, March 2nd: Keeper & Prospect Keepers due
Monday, March 3rd: Prospect Draft on RotoGuru Politics Forum starts
Monday, March 10th: MLB Draft on Draft Time starts
Saturday, March 22nd: Season starts (if we are still drafting, you'll be able to use any players you have for those two games)
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| | | 8 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Sun, Feb 09, 2014, 12:21
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while i think under normal circumstances starting the draft on the 10th would be fine, i believe Punk said he will be on vacation from the 7th to 17th. i can't speak for him, but on vacation, i don't necessarily want to deal with fantasy sports.
we could start later, and retro score those two Aussie games if need be...
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| | | 9 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Sun, Feb 09, 2014, 12:41
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i've got a plethora of players available for trade - 1-for-1, or possibly 2 and 3 for one deals. Goldschmidt is probably the only untouchable.
among those available are:
Jose Reyes
Jason Heyward
Albert Pujols
Sal Perez
Yoenis Cepedes
Oscar Taveras
Danny Salazar
Yovanni Gallardo
Patrick Corbin
and almost anyone not named Goldschmidt.
some of those guys are coming off what is a subpar season for that player, but would be a strong season for others. those guys could definitely be had a discounted price in the right deal.
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| | | 10 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916
Sun, Feb 09, 2014, 17:31
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Almost positive Sags will need to be replaced.
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| | | 11 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sun, Feb 09, 2014, 18:12
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Yeah i'll be gone from the 7th-17th on Vacation
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| | | 12 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sun, Feb 09, 2014, 23:30
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<11> Punk,
Your vacation is long and right in the middle of our prime draft period. I'm thinking you can prolly do the prospect part before you leave, if you have doubts, we can start a day or two earlier.
As to the regular draft, my experience is the first couple rounds on Draft Time go slow and things pick up afterward.
If you can give us a prioritized list to get to your 2nd round regular pick, we can prolly still finish the regular draft on time, with you picking your third pick on the 17th.
Can you make that work for you?
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| | | 13 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 00:20
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<3><10> Have sent multiple invites and e-mails to Sags and Taxman. No reply, so I have to assume they are done.
I will start advertising vacancies on roto-guru forums on Monday. If taxman or Sags report in before someone takes their team, the solution is simple. If something more dramatically challenging occurs, we will have to deal with it.
I prefer to wait until the curtain is lifted on that play though. If we get to Act two, the understudy will be taking the bows at the final curtain though.
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| | | 14 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 01:33
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We have to figure something out if Punk is gone right in the middle of the draft.
He needs to leave long quess or designate a third party to draft.
Are there not computers where you are going Punk?
Seriously we cannot just hold up the draft because someone is on holiday.
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| | | 15 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 08:09
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Nah I won't have a computer with me. Just my phone. Also i'm at Spring Training which is why it's right in the middle of the draft.
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| | | 16 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 08:26
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i am of the mindset that Punk shouldn't be punished because MLB wanted to schedule two games a week earlier than normal.
We began last year's draft on March 17. we were done within a week, as the prospect draft began on March 23.
i don't believe we should penalize Punk because he took a vacation that, on any other season, would have ended as our draft was beginning.
there are TWO MLB games on March 22. then none until March 30 - more than a week later. i don't want to penalize or weaken Punk's opportunity for two earlier-than-normal games.
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| | | 17 | GO
ID: 01020815
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 09:28
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I say ignore or retroactively award scoring for those games, but screw trying to have the draft done so early.
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| | | 18 | Perm Dude
ID: 431013412
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 09:35
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Happy to help Punk out, if need be, during your draft.
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| | | 19 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 11:59
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Tree fair points. It's just two games.
So we would start the draft the 17th again?
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| | | 20 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 12:39
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Unless someone else wants to weigh in, I think retro-active stats for the two games is prolly the best solution, not just for Punk, but for everyone. It gives us all more time to assess players for injuries, promotions, starting roles etc.
I would still like to do the prospect draft before he goes though. Any objections to that? If not, we just have to pick an appropriate start date. I think this might work:
Sunday, March 2nd: Keeper & Prospect Keepers due
Monday, March 3rd: Prospect Draft on RotoGuru Politics Forum starts
Friday, March 7th: Prospect Draft done or Punk gives authority to draft from a prioritized list to someone
Monday, March 17th: MLB Draft on Draft Time starts
Saturday, March 22nd: Season starts (retroactive stats will be used for two Austrailia games)
Thursday, March 27th: MLB Draft is now done, giving me two days to get info loaded to Yahoo league and allow all to check for accuracy before the one game on March 30th.
BTW, Punk...spring training vacation....sounds like fun
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| | | 21 | GO
ID: 01020815
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 12:42
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Yeah, I don't think those 2 games make or break anybody as they represent such a minute % of your overall season... everyone starts who they probably would have started anyway pitching and stud hitter wise... and if you want to waste a mid round pick to add some random guy who got a SB well then good luck to you. Go and waste your pick.
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| | | 22 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 13:35
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The objection to doing the prospect draft first is the league rule that you can use the last pick of the draft to move someone from your prospect list to your last draft pick. I absolutely intend to do that this year.
So since it's a league rule it's not fair to just randomly change it to my disadvantage.
Now, as long as the rule is adjusted so that we can make this declaration before the prospect draft I have no issue.
This rule has always been one of the advantages of being a good prospect drafter.
There's no way though you can just arbitrarily handicap me the very year you are trying to change the rule.
If you want to change the rule for next year, then we need a league vote to change it to the following year. This has always been the league rule.
Technically you should not be able to change the order at all this year as we are not permitted change league rules unless there is a league vote the prior season, but if no one objects...
I absolutely want to move one player from my prospect list to my major league draft and I won't give in on that point as it is the current rule and it will free up an additional prospect spot for me.
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| | | 23 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 13:39
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So I would wait until March 2nd but when we declare or Keepers and prospect keepers, on that day we would also declare any prospects we will be adding to the draft.
That should solve the issue.
And no more grabs like Oscar Taveras I imagine...which didn't exactly pay off for Tree last year.
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| | | 24 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 14:35
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<22> Nerve, I just dont get it.
Am i mistaken with my understanding that we already voted on this and that the prospect draft will be before the regular draft this year? If we want to revisit it for the 2015 season, that's OK, but for the 2014 season, the polls are closed.
If there is any advantage or disadvantage to specific people concerning specific players, I am certain that I had nobody specifically targeted as I executed my right to 1 man 1 vote .
That said we are all subject to any perceived advantage or disadvantage we may have accrued due to the properly executed vote (did anyone see some hanging chad that I missed?).
The rule is simple, take a look at your roster..pick 7 keepers and up to 3 prospect keepers. Announce them before the draft just like the other 13 managers and deal with the consequences of your choices just like every other manager in the league. Nobody has advantage or disadvantage here, we are all playing with the same ruleset. Any loopholes you may have used in the past are now closed to EVERYONE in exactly the same way.
If I have missed some glaringly obvious problem, please enlighten me. But right now, I dont see one. Am I wrong?
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| | | 25 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 14:51
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The Poli Baseball League Constitution
Yahoo Baseball
7 keepers; No more than 3 prospect keepers
Next Day Transactions - Daily/Tomorrow
Waivers - Continual Rolling List - 1 day waiver period
Trade Review - League Votes
Supplemental draft picks may be traded
Scoring Settings
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util
SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL
Max IP - 1250
Batters Categories: Runs (R), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases
(SB), Batting Average (AVG)
Pitchers Categories: Wins (W), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average
(ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)
Trade Deadline
Closest Sunday to August 31st
MLB Supplemental Draft
Draft Utility - Draftime
Player must be in the Yahoo database at the time he is picked in the
supplemental draft.
No time limit initially, unless deemed necessary
Straight Draft, Reverse order of standings
Prospect Draft & Rules
Straight Draft, Reverse order of standings
To be conducted BEFORE the Supplemental Draft
Under 300 AB's or 125 IP to be draft eligible
You can retain up to 3 prospect eligible players from one season to next
There are 5 rounds in the prospect draft - minus a pick for each prospect you
carry over.
Any player at any level (as long as they are under limits) can be drafted as
prospect. College, International, Little League etc.
Prospects may be called up in-season and can be sent back and forth to prospect
list until they meet the prospect thresholds.
If you drop them after they meet the threshold, any team is eligible to add
them.
If they reach the threshold while not on the active roster you must call them up
within 7 days or lose their rights
If a prospect reaches the limit within 7 days or regular season end they can
only be kept as a regular keeper.
Prospect rights may be traded.
Prospect picks may be traded as long as receiving team has enough spots to make
the draft pick at time of draft.
You can trade for as many prospects as you like - however you'll need to have 3
or less at the time of the Prospect Draft
Poli League Trophy Case
2008 Biliruben
2009 Tree
2010 Biliruben
2011 nerveclinic
2012 Great One
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| | | 26 | GO
ID: 01020815
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 15:54
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Voting Summary so we can update the constitution...
Some of last years changes we voted an additional bench spot and shortened waiver time (both implemented last year).
More changes per 334
Voting Results
1. Proposal B passes 9-5 -- Trade deadline will be moved to closest Sunday to August 31st
2. Proposal B passes 8-6 -- Managers may have as many prospects as they want, provided they get down to 3 or less at time of prospect draft.
3. Proposal B is ahead 9-2 (called) - Old/New Prospect Rules phased out. All prospects can use the current callup system as listed in league constitution.
Then we had more of the issues of the Prospect Draft being brought out into the light as we approached the season and guys like Taveras Puig were poached early in the regular draft when they could have been fairly been awarded to rebuilding squads.
Prospect Draft Change - Vote
Also confirmed that Nerve really likes bolding random sentences
I do think he's right though... I'm not sure if we addressed it but I think its only fair to continue with league practice that your prospect can be rolled into your last draft pick rounds as part of your reduction to your 3 prospect pick cap.
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| | | 28 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 17:27
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We didn't address it but I can see the argument that since the prospect draft is before it negates the rule but it would have been nice if both issues were addressed separately as one doesn't necessarily have to do with the other...
You can still have the prospect draft before but roll the prospect into your draft. That seems like a separate issue but I am not going to raise hell about it...
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| | | 29 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 19:09
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<26> I do think he's right though... I'm not sure if we addressed it but I think its only fair to continue with league practice that your prospect can be rolled into your last draft pick rounds as part of your reduction to your 3 prospect pick cap
I dont agree, If it was to remain, it should have been entered into the constitution. If someone wanted it to remain in the constitution they should have complained about it when the constitutipon was published...not now. If you would like to have that re-introduced as an option for 2015, I would be glad to put it to a vote.
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| | | 30 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 20:04
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I just got an e-mail from WG, he found a few corrections in the file I have posted on the Yahoo group.
I had marked his prospect pitcher Fernandez as prospect eligible and he wasn't.
I had also not accounted for a documented trade of prospects between C1-NRB and him. Wacha and Rendon for Dahl and Hicks.
I will correct those and repost the file, I will also modify the file to reflect "Nerveclinic Trades Robby Cano to Dust Storm Troopers for Joey Votto".
The only other unrecorded trade I am aware of is Billi's 5th rd pick for Nerves 2nd rd pick in the regular MLB draft. I'll add a tab for draft pick to the file to document that too.
If you still haven't had the chance to review the file posted on the Yahoo group, please take some time to do so soon.
Send me an e-mail if you have any concerns.
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| | | 31 | Nerveclinic
ID: 52134819
Tue, Feb 11, 2014, 03:19
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Yahoo group? What Yahoo group?
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| | | 32 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Tue, Feb 11, 2014, 05:49
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So, just so we all understand.
We have had a rule in the league since the beginning, 2000, that each year, if you have a prospect you want to use for that season, you can make him the last pick of your draft. Thus freeing up a spot for a prospect.
That rule was not changed. Nor was it voted on. Nor has anyone even suggested we change it that I am aware of.
So what you are saying is, someone wrote up a list of our rules and published them somewhere, and forgot to include that rule?
Therefore you are saying that since the person who wrote up the rules, forgot to list one of them, and no one noticed, then it is now no longer a rule?
Because it sounds like that is what you are saying.
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| | | 33 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Tue, Feb 11, 2014, 08:58
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as best as i know, there never was a rule dictating such a thing. similarly, there was never a rule OPPOSING it, so it was allowed.
that being said, if it actually was a rule, then nothing has changed. you're still welcome to draft one of your prospects to your regular roster during the regular roster. of course, the vote to move the prospect draft ahead of the regular draft makes that not terribly to one's advantage.
i don't see that they needed to be separate issues - rather, if there was concern, it should have come up in discussion, and it likely did.
Bean created a yahoo group to help store things, and looking at the membership list, you're part of it.
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| | | 34 | GO
ID: 01020815
Tue, Feb 11, 2014, 09:08
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Yeah, I'd love to see where that rule was written down as nobody seemed to have anything written til recently. But seeing as how it was standard practice I think we can safely add it to the rules list.
So maybe when we declare prospects this year and you get down to your 3 (or less) you can opt to make add any of them to your regular keeper list and let them be your last round draft picks.
Here's another thing -- I assume we need to declare our standard keepers prior to the Prospect Draft, right? so that way all Prospect eligible players are freed up for the Prospect Draft.
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| | | 35 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 11, 2014, 10:33
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<32> Therefore you are saying that since the person who wrote up the rules, forgot to list one of them, and no one noticed, then it is now no longer a rule?
What I am saying is that since we have a Constitution that everyone had access to and had plenty of time and opportunity to comment on LAST YEAR, then it is the law for THIS YEAR. If you have a problem with the only comprehensive document of our rules that exists, offer an ammendment to be put to vote to alter the ruleset that we all have access to.
I think it is absurd for anyone to think that we all deem it fair that at every turn, we rely on someone's memory of what the rules of this league are or should be, and how it all should be interpreted which seems always a subject of debate in this league.
Honestly, if that rule was documented last year it would have affected my prospect draft of last year. I just see it as yet another trick to game the ruleset. Best used when only a few are aware of its existence. So, I am extremely opposed to bringing it back when we voted to move the prospects to the front and do away with all these tricks.
All of that said, since there are now three managers who want to let this monster back out of his crypt, then give me three more of the silent ones to agree and I will amend the constitution for 2014 to include this undocumented artifact of a day gone by. Lacking that, I wont feel compelled to alter the Constitution, and will enforce it as it stands.
If you have any more of these rules that come from one of your bodily orifaces, make them known now cause this IS YOUR CHANCE. There wont be another. I will offer them up for inclusion for 2014, you'll get your vote. Otherwise their existence is heresay.
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| | | 36 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Tue, Feb 11, 2014, 11:04
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Bean just because you are a newer member of the league. And just because you haven't been here for many of the years when teams have added a prospect to their draft as a last draft pick, doesn't mean the rule is "someone's memory"
It certainly is written down in the many threads where people have used the rule.
Yes we should have had a comprehensive rules list long ago.
But for you to call it a "trick", when it's the way we have always played is a bit insulting.
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| | | 37 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Tue, Feb 11, 2014, 11:06
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I will do whatever is decided. I've just thrown in my two cents.
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| | | 38 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 11, 2014, 11:19
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Nerveclinic,
The way you have always done it puts a new member at a serious disavantage. So yeah I called it a trick and I stand by that label.
That you would allow such a strange set of rules to exist in a league, without them being documented and expect me to follow them just cause you said so is an insult to me and any other new manager that you would invite to join you.
So, now that we are done "exchanging insults". Get three more guys to agree with you and you get your alledged rule back.
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| | | 39 | GO
ID: 59918108
Tue, Feb 11, 2014, 12:15
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I don't think that would be an issue once people check as most will be in favor of it as they have probably used it previously and planned to this year.
I honestly don't remember the rule either and don't think I'd used it but that was part of the previous regime not having things written out which did make it hard for the new guy. I think we've improved there. But if its something that was done in all years previous - than it not making it on to my summarized list was just an oversight by me and we should be flexible in trying to get it right.
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| | | 40 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Feb 11, 2014, 12:31
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Yeah this league really does fit in the Poli Forum.
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| | | 41 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 11, 2014, 12:53
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<34> I assume we need to declare our standard keepers prior to the Prospect Draft, right? so that way all Prospect eligible players are freed up for the Prospect Draft.
GO, It wasn't clear when the MLB players should be declared. I proposed the schedule in <20> putting all of the keeper declarations at the same time cause that's what seemed to make the most sense, because it was the least complicated, and therefore least likely to be subject to interpretation.
I was going to press with that schedule if I got no comments, which I haven't yet.
As to whether or not players who aren't designated as Keepers, are now free agents, my knee jerk would be "of course".
If, however, we collectively support the re-instatement of a rule that allows us to name one prospect as a last round MLB draft pick, I would think that player would be named at the same time as all other keepers are. Therefore that one player would just be treated as another keeper.
So, where do we go from here?
If nobody objects to my proposed schedule in <20>, then all keepers of any flavor will be named before the prospect draft. If nobody objects, I will clarify that interpretation in the Constitution subject to your open or tacit approval (to include silence).
If, on the other hand, you all would prefer a vote to change the Constitution, I will comply and provide that mechanism. In other leagues I am in, changes for clarification are within the scope of the Commissioner's authority and are not subject to voting. Substantive changes are always put to a vote. Usually if there is a debate as to whether a change is clarification or substantive, its treated as substantive.
Let's hope none of us needs to hire an attorney.
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| | | 42 | GO
ID: 01020815
Tue, Feb 11, 2014, 13:09
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Bean, I think most would agree that's a perfectly fine schedule. Copied below for reference.
I think I will copy for Dirty Dozen.
I also think its worth noting we should use the Sunday night game to our advantage. That will be the day if you have any LA/AZ Australia guys you want retroactive stats for you need to put them in your lineup the same time you make your Sunday Night Baseball opening night lineup.
Sunday, March 2nd: Keeper & Prospect Keepers due
Monday, March 3rd: Prospect Draft on RotoGuru Politics Forum starts
Friday, March 7th: Prospect Draft done or Punk gives authority to draft from a prioritized list to someone
Monday, March 17th: MLB Draft on Draft Time starts
Saturday, March 22nd: Season starts (retroactive stats will be used for two Austrailia games)
Thursday, March 27th: MLB Draft is now done, giving me two days to get info loaded to Yahoo league and allow all to check for accuracy before the one game on March 30th.
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| | | 43 | VampireWeekend
ID: 121511112
Tue, Feb 11, 2014, 13:51
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Great to be back for another season...have I missed anything?
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| | | 44 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 11, 2014, 14:37
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<43> have I missed anything?
1) Look at the schedule in <20> above, let me know if you have a problem with it. Note that ALL keepers must be declared at the same time.
2) Check the roster file posted on the Yahoo Group you joined last year, there is a link in <33> above. Provide comments if appropriate.
3) Join the Draft Time draft, link in <6> above
4) Help locate replacement owners for Sags and Taxman who have not signed up for the league yet.
5) players on trading block announced <5> and <9> above.
6) Comment or don't on a proposal to re-instate an old rule that has been our biggest discussion. It wasnt included in the Constitution. Discussion started in <26>.
I think that's it
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| | | 45 | Tree
ID: 521101115
Tue, Feb 11, 2014, 16:11
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I need to chime in and defend nerve clinic. While he and I don't see eye to eye often, he is 100 percent correct in his claim that promoting a prospect during the regular draft (which gains you a replacement pick in the prospect draft) has absolutely been common practice, and it is not any sort of trick. I have done it several times. Sometimes it works, sometimes it backfires.
We disagree that it was actual rule. Rather, I believe it was an accepted practice.
bottom line - this was no trick. This was a well established practice, and to insinuate something underhanded was being carried out is a disservice to long time players here.
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| | | 46 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 04:50
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That you would allow such a strange set of rules to exist in a league, without them being documented and expect me to follow them just cause you said so is an insult to me and any other new manager that you would invite to join you.
There were rules written down. They just were not put into a yahoo group page (Which I had completely forgotten about since the day after I signed up) The problem is the threads where things have been written have gradually gotten buried in threads that guru now allows to disappear so it's gotten worse and worse for new members. The list of rules on the yahoo group page should alleviate that problem.
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| | | 47 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 11:34
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I'm sorry for venting my frustration here. I guess I thought we had a complete Constitution that all had accepted.
When "old rules" re-surfaced, I felt compelled to nip that in the bud. Clearly, I was not successful. I absolutely do not want to return to a day where little known rules are brought up by anyone who wants to do so.
Digging up old threads is a bad way of doing things, you never know what is in or out of context, you dont know who is in charge at the time of the debate and therefore you dont know whether what is said is definitive or not. A debate ensues, and before you know it feelings are hurt and we all deal with the ramifications. None of us needs that drama.
So, to everyone, particularly you old-timers, please accept my apology. I'll try to temper my remarks in the future and avoid the drama that poorly chosen words can create.
As to the specific rule in question. It is my opinion that when we voted for the prospect draft to go before the MLB draft, we were also voting to get rid of these many rules. These rules only served the purpose of better defining what games could or could not be played with prospect vs regular roster designations. I thought most of us wanted to play fantasy baseball not fantasy lawyering, and thats what we were trying to accomplish.
Evidence of that interpretation being the correct one, is that the constitution does not include any mention of this rule or any of the others, and nobody complained about the constitution when it was published.
Forcing those who may agree with my interpretation to be subject to re-visiting this issue for inclusion in 2014, is just as unfair to them, as it is unfair to ignore those who don't agree with that interpretation.
That said, I'd like to get this whole thing behind us. Shall we put it to a vote?
Please dont remain silent on this question, I need to hear from all, because some would interpret this as a precedent for breaking the principle of "rule changes should always take effect in the following year". And that's a whole nuther can of worms none of us wants to open.
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| | | 48 | GO
ID: 01020815
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 11:46
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2014 Preseason Vote
Prospect carry over to last round(s) of regular draft in 2014?
1) YES or NO
If No...
A - Not in 2014 since wasn't listed with other revamped and summarized rules (but ok again in 2015)
B - Not in 2014 since wasn't listed with other revamped and summarized rules (don't want this rule at all going forward)
If Yes...
C - Yes, allow 1 prospect to be removed from prospect list and applied to last round of draft
D - Yes, allow as many prospects as you have to last rounds of regular draft
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| | | 49 | GO
ID: 01020815
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 11:47
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GO's Vote
1)Yes - D
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| | | 50 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 12:24
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Good News,
I have one guy who is interested in joining us. Though he doesn't frequent rotoguru forums, he's in a league that has a couple rotoguru regulars in it. He is familiar with Draft Time, reliably meets deadlines, and is knowledgeable of the sport.
His name is Joe, and he gave me a fantasy resume for your approval. I hope you will agree, he is worthy of a spanking.
Baseball: (1) member of an 11-team league through Rotowire.com since 1993, utilizing an in-person all-day draft (though no keepers); auction & points league; 2006 league champion and 10+ top-4 finishes.
(2) member of a few ESPN-based leagues over the years, though none as long-running as the Rotowire league.
Football: (1) member of one ESPN league since 1996 with 3 championships and 2 league finalist finishes. Auction league.
(2) member of another ESPN league since 2009, with 2 second place finishes. Snake draft league.
And, of course, I have been in the MBS both seasons, winning in 2012 and finishing 2nd in 2013.
The MBS is the contract keeper league we are in together.
Anyway, if nobody objects in the next day or two, I will offer him a spot without a specific team commitment. E-mail me if you have concerns.
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| | | 51 | Tree
ID: 521101115
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 12:38
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I'm perplexed about why you would want to "draft" your own prospect, now that the prospect draft is held first.
Previously, the advantage was to free up spots on your prospect roster, in essence, giving you an extra keeper, and allowing you to keep your prospect roster full.
Now, it seems disadvantageous to do so. If you promote a prospect, you've left yourself with less prospects, *and* missed out on a draft pick.
Wouldn't you rather hold your prospect, get that last regular pick, and the more your prospect when you're sure he'll make a difference?
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| | | 52 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 12:50
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Thanks for the ballot GO its a start. I like No, A with caveat of C and that we are talking about ONLY guys you could have kept as prospects in the first place.
As an example, I promoted Wil Myers last year mid-season. He was a prospect but by season's end he wasn't eligible any longer. He would not be allowed to be kept for a last round pick.
Pretty quickly you might realize that this combo of choices could just as easily be accomplished by allowing 4 prospect keepers, so why make it so complicated?
Anyway, I imagine there may be all kinds of twists on this subject that folks could come up with. I think the ballot should reflect these options as best as it can. How bout we wait til folks have time to comment, so that we include them somehow without making the ballot too complicated? Lets shoot for Friday we vote if all agree that we should even put it to a vote. I assume you want it to be put to vote.
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| | | 53 | GO
ID: 01020815
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 13:40
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Tree - wouldn't I want to draft my own prospect to maintain his rights instead of just throwing him away as we cut down to 3 or less? I am essentially just calling him up and making him a keeper, and just plugging him into the last round so I have the right number of players on my roster.
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| | | 54 | Boldwin
ID: 391131213
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 14:13
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I'll try and catch up on this thread a little later in the day. Do we have keeper declaration deadlines yet?
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| | | 55 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 14:25
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Boldwin..take a look at <44> above to catch up.
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| | | 56 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 14:59
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Sorry, let me reproduce (and correct) the summary for you:
1) Nerveclinic Trades Robby Cano to Dust Storm Troopers for Joey Votto.
2) Look at the schedule in <20> above, let me know if you have a problem with it. Note that ALL keepers must be declared at the same time.
3) Check the roster file posted on the Yahoo Group you joined last year, there is a link in <33> above. Provide comments if appropriate.
4) Join the Draft Time draft, link in <6> above
5) Help locate replacement owners for Sags and Taxman who have not signed up for the league yet.
6) players on trading block announced <5> and <9> above.
7) Comment on a proposal to re-instate an old rule that has been our biggest discussion. It wasnt included in the Constitution. Discussion started in <22>.
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| | | 57 | Tree
ID: 521101115
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 16:35
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53 - explain to me how that works? We are naming our 3 prospect keepers, and having our prospect draft before our regular draft.
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| | | 58 | GO
ID: 01020815
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 17:03
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Name your 3 prospects... or 2 or 1... and indicate you want your other 4 or 3 or 2 or 1 or none to be applied as your last round picks and put on your regular roster.
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| | | 59 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 17:04
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Yeah i'm confused how we would be able to call up prospects with the last pick anymore either with this change. If we draft the prospects before the regular draft, you'll have 5 prospects during the regular draft.
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| | | 60 | GO
ID: 01020815
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 17:21
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Holy crap... this is not rocket science.
We have to declare our 3 (or 2 or 1) prospects for the start of the Prospect Draft, right? Then anyone not part of those 3 (or 2 or 1) you can opt to make your last round picks in the regular draft... or you can just kick them to the curb entirely and surrender all rights.
this is what I would do in that scenario
Mark Appel, SP (keep as prospect)
Mike Zunino, C, SEA (roll to regular draft last pick)
Francisco Lindor, SS, CLE (keep as prospect)
Kris Bryant, OF, University of San Diego (keep as prospect)
Allen Webster, SP, Boston Red Sox (give up all rights)
Now I'm down to my 3 prospect cap, got my 2 prospect picks in the draft and I'm carrying Zunino as a last round regular draft pick. Punting Webster.
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| | | 61 | Tree
ID: 521101115
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 19:34
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See, to me, you just named four prospect keepers.
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| | | 62 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 21:54
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Re <50> More good news,
I've found another interested person for the league. Like Joe, he comes from the same league I mentioned before. He is our reigning champ.
His name is Anthony, and he is an Aussie. I think Joe may be as well, I didnt ask. The league was started by beebop aka daleteekz, so I am sure he invited many of his friends in Sydney.
Anyway, I asked Anthony to put together a fantasy resume as well. If he is acceptable to you all, then we've filled our two vacancies.
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| | | 63 | C1-NRB
ID: 261221221
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 22:25
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I did some digging on the "prospect as last draft pick" issue. See this thread starting at about 410.
The way it reads, for those not wanting to sift through it, a team that kept three prospects (as per the rule) chose to call up one of those three with their last "regular" draft pick. This subsequently gave them a third pick for the prospect draft because it occured after the regular draft.
The team didn't get to keep a fourth prospect, but they got an additional prospect pick in the prospect draft. Now that the prospect draft is first, someone can still claim three prospect keepers and call one up as their last draft pick, but basically they'd be "wasting" their last round pick because it doesn't "earn" them an additional prospect draft pick. They will have only four left on their prospect roster.
Does any of that make sense? I think it made sense when I was typing it. It made sense in my head, anyway.
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| | | 64 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 22:41
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Now that the prospect draft is first, someone can still claim three prospect keepers and call one up as their last draft pick, but basically they'd be "wasting" their last round pick because it doesn't "earn" them an additional prospect draft pick. They will have only four left on their prospect roster.
i think that's the debate. i agree with you.
others, presumably, believe you will get to replace that prospect you have promised to your main roster via promotion during the main draft.
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| | | 65 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 23:54
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Yeah so what's the point of doing it anymore?
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| | | 66 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 10:41
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It's really not so hard to understand.
It's just like before except the prospect draft is coming earlier.
So
You turn in your keeper/prospect list
These are my 3 prospects
These are my 7 keepers
And I will be using last pick of my draft to move prospect A to my roster, thus giving me one extra spot in the prospect draft.
So if I am keeping Prospect A, B, and C
I declare I am moving B to my roster
So now I immediately only have 2 prospects when I declare that, giving me 3 more prospect picks.
As much as I would like to do it I don't think GO's version is allowed because that is keeping 3 and moving a 4th.
But honestly if this is creating so much confusion, I am not trying to make a big deal about it, but it has always been the rule and many people have used it, and it was written down just long since buried.
It's great we have someone like Bean who has been so pro-active to finally write down the rules.
Of course I will vote yes D
Yeah so what's the point of doing it anymore?
I guess the point would be to get the prospect pick like we always have, why is that hard to understand?
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| | | 67 | GO
ID: 01020815
Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 10:42
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Well if its just applying one of your own 3 prospects to your roster via sticking them in your last round -- then it is kind of irrelevant cause you can call them up whenever you want. So you could just draft your own prospect when you get to that point. Or draft a random guy and wait to call your guy up once the season is underway.
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| | | 68 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 11:05
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Oh I get what's being said, but we can't do it anymore unless before the prospect draft we say "I am moving Tree Tree from my Prospect list and using him as my last pick of the regular draft". Which I don't see being allowed. I've used the correct way we did the rule multiple years in the past.
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| | | 69 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 12:44
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<66> It's great we have someone like Bean who has been so pro-active to finally write down the rules.
Thanks for the credit Nerveclinic, but it was GO that penned the constitution. One day, when the history of this league is documented, you will be recognized as the George Washington and GO will be the Thomas Jefferson of the league. My legacy will more likely be the story of the deposed tyrant. "I am not a crook". So, how did that Tree get felled anyway? Was cherry, was it not?
Seems appropriate for the 50th annual Poli league members to look back and see that their constitution was created by the Great One. It's an epic story.
Should those future youngsters be known as "poli- wogs?"
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| | | 70 | GO
ID: 59918108
Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 12:51
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And a groggy Great One who had a newborn at the time... but still found some time.
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| | | 71 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 13:16
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Well I assume there will be a poli-wog of the 50th annual named Little One who will have stories to tell to further the legend then.
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| | | 72 | Tree
ID: 521101115
Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 14:53
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I'm not fond of this declaration allowing you to draft a prospect pick. The time between when we claim our keepers, and get to the end of the draft is a few weeks. What if that prospect suffers a serious injury or something similar. Does the owner lose that prospect if he doesn't keep him on the roster all season? Etc etc..
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| | | 73 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Thu, Feb 13, 2014, 20:23
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<62> Anthony gave me this as a fantasy resume:
I've played fantasy football, basketball and baseball. Mostly standard 10 team leagues although I'm in a 12 team keeper nba league this year for which all I'll say is I'm building for the future :)
I'm pretty good at fantasy football. If you check my yahoo profile, I've won 3 leagues and finished 2nd once. Finished top this year but lost the 2 playoff games.
Have started to play espn NFL & NBA leagues too with mixed success.
Anyway, I dont hear complaints, about him, I will asume you all approve. Invites going out to both Anthony and Joe tomorrow evening. I will work with them to figure who gets which team.
Meanwhile, most of you still need to sign up for Draft Time.
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| | | 74 | Nerveclinic
ID: 52134819
Fri, Feb 14, 2014, 02:55
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I guess since prospect draft is now before, the point of drafting the prospect is less logical so I am willing to move on and bury the rule even though I could use it to great advantage by adding Gerrit Cole to my team and taking the extra pick.
I change my vote to allowing the old rule to evaporate since we have moved the prospect draft.
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| | | 75 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, Feb 14, 2014, 10:50
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Thanks Nerveclinic....barring opposition, we'll move on then.
Here is the current summary of where we are.
1) Nerveclinic Trades Robby Cano to Dust Storm Troopers for Joey Votto.
2) Look at the schedule in <20> above, let me know if you have a problem with it. Note that ALL keepers must be declared at the same time.
3) Check the roster file posted on the Yahoo Group you joined last year, there is a link in <33> above. Provide comments if appropriate.
4) Join the Draft Time draft, link in <6> above
5) Welcome our two new owners Joe and Anthony to the fold. Not sure who will have which team yet.
6) Players on trading block announced <1>, <5> and <9> above.
7) Any new business you want to raise.
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| | | 76 | C1-NRB
ID: 261221221
Sat, Feb 15, 2014, 20:02
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Friday, March 7th: Prospect Draft done or Punk gives authority to draft from a prioritized list to someone
Monday, March 17th: MLB Draft on Draft Time starts
I suddenly like this really well. I just found out the place I'm going the week of March 9-16 doesn't have internet access after all. I was originally given the impression that it did.
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| | | 77 | Nerveclinic
ID: 52134819
Sun, Feb 16, 2014, 18:13
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Trade announcement
Nerveclinic trades Matt Holladay and Alex Rios to Pancho for David Price.
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| | | 78 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916
Sun, Feb 16, 2014, 19:20
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#77 confirmed
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| | | 79 | Anthony
ID: 171571718
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 19:57
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Hi everyone! I have recently been invited to the league to take over team Sags. I have renamed the team to Choppers Red Sox in yahoo already.
Just wanted to drop in and say hi. I will be in Hawaii during the Prospect draft so i will update everything I need to update before then.
I will have access to the internet via my iPhone overseas as I will buy a US sim card, plus have access to hotel Wifi, although I tried posting on this forum via my iPhone and it didn't work so I may need to figure something out.
I'll be back home in Sydney for the MLB player draft and will be going to Game 1 of the LAD/AZ opening series so can give you an update on how that all goes down :)
Anyway, thanks for having me and hopefully this post works!
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| | | 80 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 20:06
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welcome aboard!
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| | | 81 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 20:06
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still looking to move any of the following:
Jose Reyes
Jason Heyward
Albert Pujols
Sal Perez
Yoenis Cepedes
Oscar Taveras
Danny Salazar
Yovanni Gallardo
Patrick Corbin
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| | | 82 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 20:29
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Cheers Anthony
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| | | 83 | WG
ID: 59552022
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 21:45
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Anyone want any of these guys???
Shin Soo Choo
Matt Carpenter
Cliff Lee
Zack Greinke
Mike Minor
Aroldis Chapman
Can package 2 or 3 for a better keeper. Let me know, thanks.
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| | | 84 | Anthony
ID: 421161717
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 23:20
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Pretty much anyone from my team is available if there is any interest. Except for Buxton.
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| | | 85 | Joe
ID: 401131813
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 14:14
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Hey guys...Joe here, owner of the "new" Black Death team...I haven't gotten a ton of time to review my roster yet, but I'm an active fantasy baseball participant and have been since 1993.
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| | | 86 | GO
ID: 01020815
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 14:24
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How did we figure out who got which team?
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| | | 87 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 15:39
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was a coin flip
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| | | 88 | Tree
ID: 521101115
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 15:56
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Anthony - shoot me an email. Not sure if there's a deal to be had, but one never knows...
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| | | 89 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 20:34
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Just a note for those wondering how things are going to proceed now.
1) Dont bother doing anything with declaring keepers in Yahoo, I wont be using that
capability to load players in the league.
2) I will call for keepers on 23 FEB, so you should be shooting for wrapping up trades around then.
3) You will have until 2 MAR to post your keepers in this thread, try not to wait until the last moment. If you make a mistake and need to change it, you will be allowed to do so up until the deadline (11:59 PM US pacific time on 2 MAR).
4) I will start a new thread for the prospect draft as is our tradition. It will include a summary of keepers, draft pick order and brief instructions. You should post nothing but your pick in that thread, any other communication should be in this thread.
5) I will start the draft with no time limit for a pick, but reserve the right to impose one if required. Keep in mind that the prospect draft does not give me an automatic mechanism for enforcing time limits. We also have no mechanism for queues, so if someone is inattentive and doesn't check the thread frequently, we can easily fall behind a reasonable pace. My concern with this is mostly for Punk, C1NRB and Anthony who have all indicated that they may have internet issues soon after the prospect drafts start. For that reason I'd prefer to target about one round per day but may be more lenient if we dont have many picks in the 3rd round and beyond.
5) Once the prospect draft is done, I will begin to set up the draft time draft and enter keepers in both draft time and Yahoo.
That's all for now. Post questions/comments.
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| | | 90 | Anthony
ID: 5147201
Thu, Feb 20, 2014, 02:47
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Thanks Bean.
Just thinking on what can potentially make things easier and save time looking though pages of the thread whilst I'm away during the prospect draft.
If before the prospect draft starts, if you could load a document (or email it) on the yahoo group of all the taken prospects, we/I can easily see who is already taken before selecting a prospect.
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| | | 91 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Thu, Feb 20, 2014, 17:16
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Anthony,
I think what I said in <89> #4 should do the trick. However, I will be creating a file with the same info for posting on the Yahoo Group.
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| | | 92 | Anthony
ID: 171571718
Fri, Feb 21, 2014, 06:03
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Choppers Red Sox Keepers
Freddie Freeman
Ben Zobrist
Matt Wieters
Shane Victorino
Shelby Miller
Clay Buchholz
Joe Nathan
Prospect Keepers
Byron Buxton
Jameson Tailion
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| | | 93 | Tree
ID: 521101115
Fri, Feb 21, 2014, 11:12
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Lol, well so much for talking trades
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| | | 94 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, Feb 21, 2014, 11:43
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Boldwin,
Please send me an e-mail from an account you check regularly. I have been trying to contact you with the one you have documented in the Yahoo league. I've gotten no response for weeks now despite repeated attempts.
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| | | 95 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 03:28
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... the point of drafting the prospect is less logical...
I argued for years that it was never logical, or particularly ethical. You were simply doing slight of hand to get an extra keeper. Now that we have moved the prospect draft, it simply is more glaringly illogical.
That said, I sure was counting on bringing up xander...
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| | | 96 | Nerveclinic
ID: 52134819
Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 07:22
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Bean there is a mechanism for ques in drafttime. Since I am in Dubai I usually make a que before going to sleep for the night.
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| | | 97 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 15:09
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<96> Nerve, yeah I am aware of queues in Draft Time, and thanks for leaving queues before bedtime, it definitely helps.
I thought we did prospects in a thread because many of the prospects aren't in Draft Time's database, particularly when you are one of the first leagues to draft. For example, a guy like Rodon that you took last year would not be in there.
There is also the issue with verifying a guy is prospect eligible when drafted, that may require commish intervention. Leave it up to Draft Time software, and backtracking is a chore, even if not insurmountable. So you end up communicating here in this forum anyway to account for these exceptions. If not for those two problems, we could just add five more customized rounds to the draft in Draft Time.
That is why we do it in a thread, isn't it?
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| | | 98 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 15:26
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If you are talking about prospects only I didn't catch that my mistake, yes that is correct.
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| | | 99 | Boldwin
ID: 551352215
Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 16:36
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I do not have excel and don't really feel the energy to download a trial version just to get my ending roster. That's available on yahoo anyway, I believe. I pretty much know my keepers. I'll go find my prospect keepers from an old thread.
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| | | 100 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 17:05
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Boldwin
give me a good e-mail address and i will send you your roster and prospects via e-mail as text
Alternately look at the commish notes from last season in the Yahoo League for prospects, your roster from last year was brought forward to this year in the Yahoo League as well.
I need you to register for Draft Time
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| | | 101 | Boldwin
ID: 551352215
Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 17:29
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Tentative keepers:
Mike Trout
Carlos Gonzalez
Ryan Zimmerman
Yadier Molina
Stephen Strasburg
Jordan Zimmermann
Alex Cobb
Prospect:
Tyler Skaggs
Cory Spangenberg
Jorge Soler
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| | | 102 | Boldwin
ID: 551352215
Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 17:30
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I am on Drafttime now, I don't think I need you to go thru that work, Bean. Thanks for the offer.
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| | | 103 | Boldwin
ID: 551352215
Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 17:31
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I've been getting your yahoo group messages but they don't do me any good with all the info being in excel so I haven't been responsive or excited about the info there.
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| | | 104 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 19:56
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Same as Boldwin, I haven't looked at all. I don't have excel, that's why i've used Google Drive lately for any kind of league info things with other things I do.
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| | | 105 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 20:41
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<104> Here's what I have for your prospects, all are still eligible this year, though Yelich is close (240 AB)
Christian Yelich, OF, MIA
Travis DArnaud, C, TOR
Noah Syndergaard, P, NYM
Delino DeShields Jr., 2B, HOU
Lucas Giolito, P, WAS
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| | | 106 | Anthony
ID: 171571718
Sun, Feb 23, 2014, 05:08
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Sorry Tree, i had to post my keepers as I'm travelling overseas from Tuesday. Just wanted to get it in incase i had trouble accessing the internet whilst i was away. plus my wife will probably kill me if I'm glued to my phone whilst on holiday :)
still open to trades but just wanted to have something posted just in case.
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| | | 107 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Sun, Feb 23, 2014, 11:05
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well, still, shoot me an email, since yours doesn't appear to be posted. :)
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| | | 108 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sun, Feb 23, 2014, 11:31
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OK, as promised, consider this your notice to post your keepers here. Deadline is 11:59 PM US pacific time on 2 MAR. Try not to wait until the last moment and whatever happens...dont be THAT guy. If you make a mistake (or even a trade) and need to change it, you will be allowed to do so up until the deadline.
As I said before, dont bother doing anything with declaring keepers in Yahoo, I wont be using that capability to load players in the league.
I am hoping to have the prospect draft thread set up not later than Noon US Eastern time on 3 MAR. Anthony has already told me his pick, so it will be kicked off with one pick done already.
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| | | 109 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sun, Feb 23, 2014, 11:32
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My Keepers:
Chris Davis
Adam Jones
Hanley Ramirez
Buster Posey
Wil Myers
Cole Hammels
Felix Hernandez
Prospect Keepers:
Zach Wheeler
Danny Hultzen
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| | | 110 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Mon, Feb 24, 2014, 14:50
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wow. i guess i should have paid more attention. we're naming keepers on sunday? will spring training games have even started by then?
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| | | 111 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Feb 24, 2014, 15:49
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<110> wow. i guess i should have paid more attention.
Agreed
Sunday, March 2nd: Keeper & Prospect Keepers due
Monday, March 3rd: Prospect Draft on RotoGuru Friday, March 7th: Prospect Draft done or Punk gives authority to draft from a prioritized list to someone
Monday, March 17th: MLB Draft on Draft Time starts
Saturday, March 22nd: Season starts (retroactive stats will be used for two Austrailia games)
Thursday, March 27th: MLB Draft is now done, giving me two days to get info loaded to Yahoo league and allow all to check for accuracy before the one game on March 30th.
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| | | 112 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Mon, Feb 24, 2014, 16:24
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Spring training games start tomorrow.
link
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| | | 113 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916
Mon, Feb 24, 2014, 16:48
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Why are we declaring keepers so early?
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| | | 114 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Mon, Feb 24, 2014, 16:52
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"Why are we declaring keepers so early?" Because prospect draft starts on the 3rd?
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| | | 115 | Biliruben
ID: 358252515
Mon, Feb 24, 2014, 18:10
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So I ca declare one of my prospects as one of my major league keepers if I want, right? So Xander can be one of my 7 ?
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| | | 116 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Feb 24, 2014, 18:44
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<115> The Constitution is available in <25> above or as a Word document file in the Yahoo Group.
The Constitution does not seem to specifically address promoting a player off-season to the active roster, and then declaring him as a keeper prior to the draft. However, I wouldn't think that we would dis-allow that. That is, afterall, a natural progression, and you are not prohibited from promoting players during the regular season in any case.
With some forthought you could have effectively done this same thing on the last day of last season and there wouldn't be any question. So, why dis-allow it now?
So, barring some dissention, I would think .... go ahead. Any disagreement?
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| | | 117 | biliruben
ID: 28420307
Mon, Feb 24, 2014, 22:55
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There should definitely be some safety valve where you can keep your prospects. I should think you should have every possibility of going young.
My plan, up until a week ago, was to do the hinky-hinky-slide, but that appears to be outlawed.
If I were aware of the disappearance of this admittedly dubious though long-standing procedural maneuver, I clearly would have done things a bit differently last season.
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| | | 118 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Tue, Feb 25, 2014, 02:55
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It seems like a logical rule anyway in this league set up that a team can make a prospect a regular keeper. Why would it have to be done the year before? What if you put him on your team, last game of the season, to make him a keeper, then the player gets demoted to the minors over the winter? Then you would only get the option to drop him or hold him as a keeper as inactive? (Since he wasn't on prospect team at end of winter) That doesn't make sense.
I think with our format, and the prospect draft coming early now, we should put into the by laws that when keepers are named, a prospect can be one of the keepers opening a prospect spot. That is a small compromise to having taken away the right to add a prospect during the draft without even having to use a keeper slot.
Plus the team is already giving up a lot essentially only getting 6 regular keepers instead of 7. I am certainly not willing to do it with Gerrit Cole.
What Bili is trying to do seems like a logical rule to incorporate into the league and for this year I agree with Bean it certainly should be allowed since certain rules have just changed.
But can we consider making this permanent?
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| | | 119 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Tue, Feb 25, 2014, 03:02
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Tenative Keepers:
1B Votto
2B Kipnis
SS Ian desmond
3B Adrian Beltre
OF Jacoby Ellsbury
SP Wainwright
SP David Price
Prospects undecided
This opens up Adrian Gonzalez as open for a 3rd round draft pick.
Also any team that is rebuilding I have George Springer who hit 37 HR with 45 SB last year in the minors and I would trade him for a 5th round pick.
He is on my regular team not prospect list
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| | | 120 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 25, 2014, 11:04
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<117> <118> I agree 100% with both of you. Like I said, if nobody objects violently I think it is natural to include this capability for ALL years and that you should not be required to promote during the regular season (i.e. the last day of last season). Nothing from the peanut gallery in the next 48-hours and I will assume I have the league's concurrence to modify the constitution for clarity.
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| | | 121 | C1-NRB
ID: 381532512
Tue, Feb 25, 2014, 13:54
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Just clarify- this would be for a prospect that is still prospect-eligible, right?
For example: I have the rights to prospect-eligible Michael Wacha. It is safe to assume he will make the club this year and cease to be a prospect by the end of April. I can choose to keep him on my prospect roster knowing full well he start the season in the majors. By doing so I can declare my 7 keepers and 3 prospects (one of which is Wacha).
Essentially, I would be forfeiting a prospect pick by keeping Wacha as one of those three until I *have* to call him up or lose his rights.
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| | | 122 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 25, 2014, 14:36
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<121> We are talking about promoting a prospect player who is prospect eligible to the MLB roster and in turn making him a one of seven allowable MLB Keepers. We'll use Xander Bogaerts as the example.
Once the keeper declaration deadline is reached, Xander will no longer be able to be on a prospect roster ever again, unless he is dropped and redrafted in a future year as a prospect.
Billi will still be allowed to declare three prospect keepers from those available to him (minus Xander of course). His total keepers would still be the same as everyone else....7 non-demotable MLB keepers plus up to 3 promotable prospect keepers. However, the net effect for Billi is that he would be allowed to keep four of his prospects by sacrificing an MLB keeper.
If this is not crystal clear, please ask another question and I will do my best to ensure that is.
I will hopefully be able to craft a non-ambiguous change to the Constitution that isnt too wordy.
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| | | 123 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 25, 2014, 14:48
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<121> I believe your example is asking a different question C1-NRB, but I believe the answer is the same. You drafted Michael Wacha as a prospect and promted him to your MLB roster last year and did not demote him before season's end though he was still prospect eligible. Using the same logic as I have discussed about Bogaerts, you could have demoted Wacha to the prospect roster on the last day of last season and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
So, maybe this is the simplest way to word this.
"If a prospect eligible player was drafted as a prospect and not subsequently dropped, the current owner of that player may declare him as either a MLB keeper or a prospect keeper. The owner will still be required to meet the 7 MLB Keeper and no more than 3 Prospect Keeper limits."
Howz that?
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| | | 124 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 25, 2014, 15:00
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<123> Add this sentence as well to my previous proposal. "If the player in question is declared a MLB Keeper, he will lose his Prospect status and all associated benefits."
hehe, I hope I have now covered all likely contingencies, but I am sure you guys can challenge me some more.
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| | | 125 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Tue, Feb 25, 2014, 15:41
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here's an idea, in part, because i like the idea of "going young", and have long rallied that we don't really have enough time to evaluate our higher level prospects.
perhaps we allow a total of 10 (or, if we want to get radical, 11) keepers that include both regular keepers, and prospect keepers.
at no point, could you keep more than 7 guys who were on your roster at season's end. but if you opted to, you could keep just 5 of those guys, and a full 5 prospects, two of whom would be promoted to the roster as regular keepers, allowing you to fill those spots in the prospect draft.
any thoughts? this would allow teams who happen to have some stellar prospects to hold onto them a bit longer, at the expense of their regular roster.
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| | | 126 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 25, 2014, 16:09
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<125> I believe the rule clarification I suggested would allow for promoting two guys and keeping them on your MLB roster as non-prospects for a total of 10 keepers. So, I guess once again I agree wholeheartedly.
If you all want to go to 11, I believe that would not just be clarification and would actually be a new rule. It therefore should be voted on, and would not take effect until next year.
Seem fair?
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| | | 127 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Feb 25, 2014, 17:08
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Do what now?
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| | | 128 | C1-NRB
ID: 381532512
Tue, Feb 25, 2014, 17:50
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<126> The loophole I could see here would be "promotion rule" we dissolved last season. (The promotion rule stated once a player is called up, if he was cut he became "fair game" on the waiver wire.) By dissolving the rule we allowed all prospects up-and-down privileges until the player reached the prospect limit.
If this new interpretation "requires" 2 prospects to be promoted, do they retain their prospect status and can be sent up-and-down with impunity until they reach the limit or are they "declared" keepers and locked on to the major league roster?
For instance- Tree, since it was his idea :), keeps all five prospects he has. Once the season begins, the two he "promoted," struggle in April and get sent down. Does he have to keep them "up" on the bench? If he doesn't, he winds up with 7 guys in the minors.
But, now that I think about it, that's okay because we also decided you can trade prospects and can have ALL the prospects before "declaration day" as long as you cut down to the "limit" on that day.
So, nevermind.
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| | | 129 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 25, 2014, 18:46
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<127> Let me start with this point of reference, so you may understand where I am coming from. In other leagues I have been in, prospects are promoted either during the season or prior to the draft. In other leagues, these prospects once promoted, may not be demoted. In other leagues you check prospect eligibility just one time, before the start of the draft. This league allows for continuous re-designation of prospects which in turn requires perpetual checking of the "eligibility" This creates a substantial book keeping burden, not just for the commissioner, but for all the owners in the league, if they want to remain on an equal footing with the guy who doesn't mind doing all that work. It leads to near constant debate about what can or cannot be done with regards to prospects. So that is my point of reference.
Now to the specific question(s) at hand.
I am proposing that we add clarification to the Constitution, relating to which players may be authorized to be named as prospect keepers (max 3), and which are authorized to be named as MLB keepers (7). Here is the wording that I think would allow owners to promote/demote prospect eligible players from/to their prospect list prior to declaration of keepers:
"If a prospect eligible player was drafted as a prospect and not subsequently dropped, the current owner of that player may declare him as either a MLB keeper or a prospect keeper. If the player in question is declared a MLB Keeper, he will lose his Prospect status and all associated benefits. The owner will still be required to meet the 7 MLB Keeper and no more than 3 Prospect Keeper limits."
If we include this clarification, I believe it will make the permanent promotion of Xander Bogaerts <115> by Billi, and the demotion of Michael Wacha <121> by C1-NRB both within the rules. I believe it also achieves Tree's goal of a 10 flex keeper sort of rule <125>. It will continue to make guys like George Springer <119>, who was not drafted as a prospect, ineligible to be named as a prospect keeper.
The rationale I have used for this rule interpretation is that they could have simply redesignated the player as prospect/mlb rostered player on the last day of last season and avoided anyone's ire. However, that would have required foresight that many of us did not have last season. From my point of reference, this is all no big deal, in fact its pretty standard practice.
If you've got a better suggestion to achieve harmony please offer wording. If you dont agree with this interpretation of the rules please say so and explain why. Try to approach the issue with an eye toward fairness vs what it might mean for your chances this season.
If you think, like Tree, that increasing this 10 flex keepers to 11 players might be a good idea, I believe that would be a substantive change to the Constitution vs a clarification. It should therefore be put to a vote and not be included in the constitution for the 2014 season. If an increase to 11 toal Keepers is approved, the rule would take effect in the 2015 season.
Lawyer up!!!!
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| | | 130 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Feb 25, 2014, 19:36
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I'm so glad that everyone wanted all these "stupid poli loopholes" filled so we could add new ones that seem even more complicated...
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| | | 131 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 25, 2014, 19:56
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<128> If this new interpretation "requires" 2 prospects to be promoted, do they retain their prospect status and can be sent up-and-down with impunity until they reach the limit or are they "declared" keepers and locked on to the major league roster?
I believe my wording would remove their prospect status and all the benefits the title carries. These players would then be like George Springer <119>, who was drafted as a regular player not a prospect.
I believe interpreting this any other way would be a substantive change to our ruleset.
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| | | 132 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 25, 2014, 20:16
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Just one more thought. What if we changed this one line in the rules:
"Prospects may be called up in-season and can be sent back and forth to prospect list until they meet the prospect thresholds."
to
"Prospects may be sent back and forth to the prospect list until they meet the prospect thresholds. Prospects may be called up or sent down anytime in-season, or off-season prior to keeper declaration. If called up and made a MLB keeper, prospects will lose their prospect status."
I think that has the same effect as my other more wordy stuff.
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| | | 133 | C1-NRB
ID: 591172521
Tue, Feb 25, 2014, 22:18
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I can live with <132>
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| | | 134 | Anthony
ID: 3015265
Wed, Feb 26, 2014, 06:05
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<107> Tree - I posted my keepers back in post <92>.
I have told Bean who I would like to pick 1st overall in the prospect draft in case I am offline (will be overseas) so as not to delay the draft.
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| | | 135 | biliruben
ID: 561162511
Wed, Feb 26, 2014, 16:05
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Tentatively:
Matt Kemp, OF, LAD
Prince Fielder, 1B, Tex
Yu Darvish, SP, Tex
Nolan Arenado, 3B, Col
Xander Bogearts, SS, Bos
Desmond Jennings, OF, TB
Jose Altuve, 2B, Hou
Prospects:
Miguel Sano, Monster, Min
Addison Russell, SS, Oak
Adelberto "Little Raul" Mondesi, SS, KC
If anyone is looking for a bounce-back year from Starlin at SS, he's available cheap.
Also a steady, consistent hand at 2B, (4th best atm) is available in Brandon Phillips.
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| | | 136 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Thu, Feb 27, 2014, 01:56
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Anthony
The draft goes in order of finish last year.
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| | | 137 | Anthony
ID: 3015265
Thu, Feb 27, 2014, 04:38
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Sags (now my team Choppers Red Sox) finished last didn't they?
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| | | 138 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Thu, Feb 27, 2014, 10:53
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Yeah it was late. My bad. I thought you wrote
I have told Bean I would like to pick 1st overall in the prospect draft
Left off one key word. Sorry Anthony.
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| | | 139 | GO
ID: 01020815
Thu, Feb 27, 2014, 13:29
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if you can upgrade Ortiz for me with one of your leftovers I'd do a mid round pick swap
GO Keepers
Tulowitzki
Encarnacion
D.Wright
Ian Kinsler
David Ortiz
Justin Verlander
Gio Gonzalez
Prospects
Mark Appel, SP, HOU
Francisco Lindor, SS, CLE
Kris Bryant, 3B, CHC
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| | | 140 | Mr Bobo
ID: 21342713
Thu, Feb 27, 2014, 14:34
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Hey All...
Being here completely slipped my mind..argh!!!
I'll have my keepers up by end of day today.
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| | | 141 | Anthony
ID: 3015265
Thu, Feb 27, 2014, 15:10
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He he no worries nerveclinic. I had to recheck the draft order myself. Would've been embarrassing had I not been 1st pick :)
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| | | 142 | VampireWeekend
ID: 61132718
Thu, Feb 27, 2014, 19:40
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Regular Keepers
Jose Bautista
Jedd Gyorko
Evan Longoria
Anthony Rizzo
Giancarlo Stanton
Madison Bumgarner
Matt Moore
Prospect Keepers
Anthony Gose
Jonathan Singleton
Jake Marisnick
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| | | 143 | Mr Bobo
ID: 291402718
Thu, Feb 27, 2014, 19:40
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Bobo's Keepers
Joe Mauer/C/Twins
Brett Lawrie/2B-3B/Blue Rays
Austin Jackson/OF/Tigers
Torii Hunter/OF/Tigers
Anibal Sanchez/SP/Tigers
Hyun-jin Ryu/SP/Dodgers
Trevor Rosenthal/RP/Cardinals
Prospects
Nick Castellanos/3B-OF/Tigers
Kyle Crick/SP/Giants
SPs Johnny Cueto and Doug Fister available for trade ahead of keeper deadline for draft pick considerations.
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| | | 144 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916
Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 09:27
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Panchovian's potential keepers:
Josh Donaldson 3B Oak
Matt Holliday OF StL
Alex Rios OF Texas
Wilin Rosario C Col
Chris Sale SP ChiA
Julio Teheran SP Atl
Jim Johnson RP Oak
Prospects
Paco Rodriguez RP LAD
Dominick Smith 1B NYM
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| | | 145 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 10:16
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For Joe, maybe someone has advise for him:
Thanks, Bean...would you mind posting the following for me (after I hit "Post Now" on Rotoguru it goes to a blank screen and I cannot figure out why because I've tried from 3 different computers). I'm sure I'll get it figured out sooner or later (since I WAS able to put a "hello" post up a couple of weeks ago), but I want to make sure I can take part in the meantime.
Black Death keepers:
R.Braun
J.Shields
K.Jensen
M.Perez
C.Santana
A.Craig
K.Medlen
Prospect Keepers:
J.Baez
J.Profar
Y.Grandal.
Anybody else on my current roster is available prior to the draft for picks.
--Joe
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| | | 146 | C1-NRB
ID: 381532512
Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 12:15
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DustStorm Troopers keep:
Robinson Cano
Mark Trumbo
Josh Hamilton
Hunter Pence
David Frickin' Freese
Jered Weaver
Craig Kimbrel
Prospects:
Michael Wacha
Mike Olt
Kevin Gausman
I meant what I said and I said what I meant: David Frickin' Freese will not contribute to my team or anyone else's until there is retribution for what he did.
I will continue to entertain creative trade offers for him, however. If it is unique, funny, and actually able to be completed we can work something out.
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| | | 147 | WG
ID: 59552022
Sat, Mar 01, 2014, 01:59
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KEEPERS
Miguel Cabrera, 3B
Yasiel Puig, OF
Jean Segura, SS
Jay Bruce, OF
Max Scherzer, SP
Jose Fernandez, SP
Aroldis Chapman, RP
PROSPECTS
Billy Hamilton, OF
Carlos Correa, SS
David Dahl, OF
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| | | 148 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Sat, Mar 01, 2014, 13:38
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I will stick with what I listed before.
1B Votto
2B Kipnis
SS Ian desmond
3B Adrian Beltre
OF Jacoby Ellsbury
SP Wainwright
SP David Price
And for Prospects
Archie Bradley, SP, AZ
Gerrit Cole SP PIT
Carlos Rodon NC State
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| | | 149 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 00:25
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Keepers
Eric Hosmer, 1B, KC
Dustin Pedroia, 2B, BOS
Manny Machado, 3B, BAL
Andrew McCutchen, OF, PIT
Bryce Harper, OF, WAS
Carlos Gomez, OF, MIL
Clayton Kershaw, SP, LAD
Prospects
Travis D'Arnaud, C, NYM
Noah Syndergaard, SP, NYM
Lucas Giolito, SP, WAS
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| | | 150 | Boldwin
ID: 2323625
Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 06:36
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Bumping Bean#108 for anyone else who is following sporadically.
"I am hoping to have the prospect draft thread set up not later than Noon US Eastern time on 3 MAR. Anthony has already told me his pick, so it will be kicked off with one pick done already."
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| | | 151 | Joe
ID: 5821927
Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 08:20
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Slight change to the Black Death keeper list...here is the final list pre-draft:
R.Braun
C.Santana
J.Shields
A.Craig
K.Medlen
K.Jensen
M.Perez
Prospects:
J.Baez
J.Profar
All others are available for last minute trades, so you might be interested in a guy like Liriano before the draft (in return for a pick).
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| | | 152 | WG
ID: 59552022
Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 10:25
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Keepers posted already but have the following for last minute trades as well:
Shin-Soo Choo
Matt Carpenter
Cliff Lee
Zack Greinke
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| | | 153 | Biliruben
ID: 358252515
Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 11:26
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Amit is trading me cliff lee and his 7th for my 3rd rounder. Poor little Altuve gets thrown back into the pond for all you sharks to snap at.
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| | | 154 | WG
ID: 59552022
Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 11:27
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Confirmed
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| | | 155 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 14:43
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Tentative Keepers
Keepers:
"Pretty" Paul Goldschmidt
"Uptown" Justin Upton
"Downtown" Yoenis Cespedes
"Old School" Jose Reyes
"Mad" Mat Latos
"The Birdman" Starling Marte
"Boogie Woogie" Jayson Heyward
Prospect Keepers
"Diamond" Dylan Bundy
"Top Dog" Taijuan Walker
"Above Average" Albert Amora
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| | | 156 | Joe
ID: 6216219
Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 20:16
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Make that Liriano rather than M.Perez for Black Death's 7th keeper. ..
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| | | 157 | Anthony
ID: 5127221
Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 22:18
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Last minute trade between WG and myself
I'm sending my 3rd round pick for Zack Grienke and his 8th rounder
I will post who I am dropping from my keepers to accomodate
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| | | 158 | Anthony
ID: 5127221
Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 22:21
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Clay Buchholtz will make way for Grienke. Probably some bad karma coming my way as a Red Sox fan. Although it was him or Victorino and seeing as I'm in Hawaii I went with the pitcher instead of The Red Sox's Flyin Hawaiian.
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| | | 159 | WG
ID: 59552022
Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 22:37
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Confirmed
Anyone want Choo, Carpenter, or Minor???
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| | | 160 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916
Sun, Mar 02, 2014, 22:48
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Last minute keeper change for Panchovians;
Out - Wilin Rosario, C Col
In - Steve Cishek, RP, Mia
So
Donaldson
Holliday
Rios
Sale
Teheran
Johnson
Cishek
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| | | 161 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 00:22
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So are players like George Springer, who were tossed back in the pool but still eligible, allowed to be re-drafted as prospects?
Final:
Matt Kemp, OF, LAD
Prince Fielder, 1B, Tex
Yu Darvish, SP, Tex
Nolan Arenado, 3B, Col
Xander Bogearts, SS, Bos
Desmond Jennings, OF, TB
Cliff Lee, SP, Phi
Prospects:
Miguel Sano, Monster, Min
Addison Russell, SS, Oak
Adelberto "Little Raul" Mondesi, SS, KC
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| | | 162 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 01:27
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<161> yes
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| | | 163 | Anthony
ID: 5127221
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 01:39
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My final keepers
Freddie Freeman 1B
Ben Zobrist 2B/SS/OF
Matt Wieters C
Shane Victorino OF
Shelby Miller SP
Joe Nathan RP
Zack Grienke SP
Prospect Keepers
Byron Buxton
Jameson Tailion
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| | | 164 | VampireWeekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 09:22
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<161> <162>
I thought once a player was drafted in the regular draft, then they could no longer be a prospect. I thought that is what prompted the move of the prospect draft to before the regular draft...
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| | | 165 | Boldwin
ID: 58228215
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 10:53
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I was wondering the same thing and that used to be the case in the original rules in 2001...but afaik prospect limits are the only determining factor now days.
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| | | 166 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 11:11
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Once a player is drafted in the regular draft, he can not be moved to the prospect roster, this is true. He can be dropped however, and once dropped his career is "reborn" and the rules are re-applied. This is fairly standard practice in keeper leagues. It shouldn't be an issue...I'll describe using George Springer as an example.
I suppose you can imagine a scenario where this could be gamed, but it would require too much prediction of the future and sand-bagging to do it. Nerveclinic would have had to intentionally waste a roster spot for an entire season for Springer, and then also sandbag to ensure he got the first overall pick to "grab" him before someone else could. The reward? A true prospect with no proven track record.
There is no good "fair competition" reason to prohibit someone from drafting Springer (and others in the same situation) as a prospect. If the guy was worth that much, then Nerve would have kept him as MLB rostered player. Removing him from the prospect free agent pool serves no purpose while requiring the commissioner to keep a record of every player who has ever fit in that category.
Please take some time to think this one through, its alot to absorb given this league's past. Enlighten me if I have missed something. If you are still concerned, I guess we'll have to halt the draft and vote on it if you can find someone else who is also concerned.
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| | | 167 | Boldwin
ID: 58228215
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 11:16
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I was not complaining about it. Happy to have my understanding confirmed. Thanks as always Bean. You rock as commish.
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| | | 168 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 11:36
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A concur. Thanks for spending the time and doing a great job as Commish Bean.
Are we kicking off the prospect draft today?
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| | | 169 | VampireWeekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 11:54
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Sounds good...let's draft!
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| | | 170 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 12:27
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I've started a new thread for the supplemental draft. Please put all comments in this thread and leave that one for draft picks ONLY.
Good Luck
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| | | 171 | Biliruben
ID: 358252515
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 13:10
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I guess it was too much to expect Oscar to fall.
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| | | 172 | VampireWeekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 13:43
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I guess it was too much to expect Polanco to fall.
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| | | 173 | Joe
ID: 27231312
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 14:35
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I guess I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue, oops, I mean to hope that Tanaka would fall to #4 (my pick).
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| | | 174 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 14:41
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Tree is on the road for work, so he'll be a few hours
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| | | 175 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 14:54
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" and once dropped his career is "reborn" and the rules are re-applied. This is fairly standard practice in keeper leagues. "
I am almost positive this has come up before and I am almost positive we have ruled exactly as commish Bean has.
If someone throws a player back and he was still within the limits I believe we always had the option to redraft onto a prospect draft as if new. Makes sense to me even though I hate watching those players get drafted.
Cheers Commish
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| | | 176 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 14:55
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And I am headed to bed so I will make my pick when I wake up.
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| | | 177 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 17:36
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fyi..we have this discussion every it seems. as long as a player is prospect eligible, he can be drafted in the prospect draft, regardless of previous draft status. last year, i took Tijuan Walker in the prospect draft, despite Bobo having rostered him in the previous season.
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| | | 178 | GO
ID: 11131520
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 22:01
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FYI I won't be picking til tomorrow around 9 AM. My list is at work and I didn't get in there today due to snow.
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| | | 179 | Mr Bobo
ID: 56213321
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 22:13
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I know I brought this up last year and now, based on a recent pick, the time is now for it to come up again.
Should a precedent/rule be established for drafting someone as "prospect-eligible" when they are not even drafted by a MLB team?
I get that there is a higher risk/reward proposition in that regard, but with that strategy I'd argue you will like get more Bryce Harper's vs. Tim Beckham's.
My opinion is that players SHOULD NOT be eligible for the prospect draft until they are signed to a MLB club.
I hope I'm not the only one, but if so I will let the issue die here.
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| | | 180 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 22:36
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I view anyone as a prospect, so I'm all for picking future people drafted or not.
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| | | 181 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 22:37
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We're making great progress, hope all can keep up the pace. We've completed 11/33 picks.
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| | | 182 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 23:17
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Just Posted.
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| | | 183 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916
Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 23:43
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#179
I wasn't aware this had ever come up, but we've always drafted college and high school players as prospects. Steven Strasburg drafted out of San Diego St before being signed by the Nationals. Pedro Alvarez out of Vanderbilt. The list is lengthy.
What would be the reasoning for prohibiting these players from being eligible?
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| | | 184 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 00:34
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Bobo
It's always been the rule you can draft anyone.
If you would like to see a rules change you are welcome to start a thread asking for a league vote, or ask the commish to do so.
Personally I have enjoyed the wild west approach to being able to draft anyone.
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| | | 185 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 01:01
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<179> <183> <184>
Get someone to second it, and I will put it up for a vote. Would like to try out that capability in the Yahoo League Messaging system vs a thread here though.
Whatever we decide, if we do put it to vote, it wont take effect until next year.
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| | | 186 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 02:29
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By the way during the regular draft I won't be saying "I am going to bed now I will pick tomorrow" given the time difference. I will set a long que in draft time. It just wasn't possible in the prospect draft and I don't want to hand someone my prospect keeper list.
Apologies for any delay.
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| | | 187 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 03:50
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I do not like you GO.
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| | | 188 | Mr Bobo
ID: 56213321
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 07:16
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<179>
I raised it last year when Rodon got selected, because I was surprised.
Strasburg & Alvarez pre-dates my time in this league, so my sample size of it experiencing is limited.
My only reasoning is that they haven't been drafted & signed to a MLB club. I think that is the strongest that I can provide, recognizing that (as I mentioned earlier) it really is an individual managers gamble with the risk/reward proposition.
<185>
Yes, my intent was to bring it for discussion now and look at potential for rules change after this current draft.
As I shared, if no one else shares a similar viewpoint, then I will let the issue die here. I didn't feel it was worth it's own, individual thread.
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| | | 189 | GO
ID: 01020815
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 09:59
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All my Dodgers are for sale.
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| | | 190 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 10:04
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Urias was the first pitching prospect I've taken in 15 years.
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| | | 191 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 11:39
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My only reasoning is that they haven't been drafted & signed to a MLB club.
I am not doing this to argue with you I am just explaining the logic.
You're right they haven't which is why we call it a "prospect" list not "minor league list".
What is the logic of saying you can only draft players who are signed to a MLB team?
There are a lot of college ball players who are undrafted who are far better than most minor leaguers.
For example I took Rodon because I read someone like Law say if he were a minor leaguer, he would have made the top 10 prospect list. So if these players are so much better than minor leaguers then why shouldn't they be allowed to be drafted? Same for foreign players, Cuban defectors and Japanese players they also haven't been signed to a minor league team but look how advanced they are why aren't they a prospect.
Again not arguing, just explaining.
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| | | 192 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 11:46
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This gets me thinking, how many Keepers did you name this season who came at some point off your Prospect list? I have Hosmer, Harper and Machado. I don't remember if Kershaw was one or not, but I think he probably was.
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| | | 193 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 11:49
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Chris Sale.
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| | | 194 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 12:00
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I'm leaving for work now, I won't be back for 12 hours so if WG or Tree let me know when i'm up i'll get back with them with my pick.
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| | | 195 | Mr Bobo
ID: 38221411
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 12:21
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<191>
No worries at all. I wasn't concerned about raising the topic and having discussion.
I am not opposed to the rules or the logic you lay out.
For me, it is a different approach than any I have ever seen in a keeper league before. More than anything, it is a push to change my thinking in a broader perspective of what defines "prospects."
I'm good.
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| | | 196 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 12:30
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<195> I am commish in the MBS Keeper League (where I recruited Joe and Anthony). Our keeper rule is that the player must be on a MLB or MiLB contract at the beginning of the season to be prospect eligible.
It makes research a lot easier. You dont have to dig as deep. It also is far more likely your player will be in Yahoo and Draft Time databases.
When its all said and done, it don't matter to me how we do it. We all play by the same rules.
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| | | 197 | Nerveclinic
ID: 542438
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 15:08
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Midnight here. I will post in the morning.
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| | | 198 | Boldwin
ID: 25221420
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 21:22
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I am adamant that we keep to the 'wild west' approach to who is draftable that we have always had. For example last year I had become enamored of Tanaka's chances even tho he was not even committed and allowed to be drafted by an MLB team by Japan's rules. I changed my mind last minute because I became convinced Tazawa would take over closer some time last year.
I want the next Tanaka pick I spot before anyone else.
I believe Appel was picked while he was still in college. More power to the guy who pulled that off. Why should we have to wait a couple years to pick the guy we already really want? Just so lesser managers can catch up to our research?
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| | | 199 | Boldwin
ID: 25221420
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 21:25
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Conversely I love the gamble of it. I love that the Appel drafter is gambling away years tieing up a spot on his prospect roster while maybe I have 5 pitchers on my list who have a real shot of contributing this year. [just an theortical example]
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| | | 200 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 22:02
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Most of the top college players will go early in the June MLB draft, and many will be on major league camps this time next year. Just for my own curiosity, I took a random team to see how many of the projected starters came out of college:
Dominick Brown - none
John Mayberry - Stanford
Marlon Byrd - Georgia Perimeter JC
Kevin Frandsen - San Jose St
Jimmy Rollins - none
Chase Utley - UCLA
Ryan Howard - Missouri St
Carlos Ruiz - none
With all the info at our fingertips today, it's pretty easy to find which college players are highly ranked and will be drafted and signed in a couple months. Why would we exclude a crop of players that are top prospects?
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| | | 201 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 06:24
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Wow the whole nature of the prospect draft has changed now that jot is before. In some ways I could see an argument for going back to the old way. Also there will be a lot of teams that won't have a full prospect squad by mid season because so many will be in the bigs.
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| | | 202 | Tree
ID: 521101115
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 07:58
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Well, depends on the team, and whether you believe you can contend, or need to build for the future, as well as the number of slots you have open.
I expect to have three, and possibly four open spots next season. If so, my draft will certainly include future prospects, not just major league ready players.
Personally, I've Always liked the idea of a mid season prospect draft, during the ASB.
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| | | 203 | GO
ID: 01020815
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 08:46
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And yeah, I've got 3 long term prospects, so perfect balance is to draft guys ready to play immediately. Leaves more long term guys to the rebuilders.
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| | | 204 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 09:26
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Nice find GO, a 31 yr old Prospect.
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| | | 205 | GO
ID: 01020815
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 09:31
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Its like a Hollywood script... prospect finally makes it to the big show. Its like The Natural!
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| | | 206 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 09:49
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major league ready players
It would be fun at the end of the season to go down the list of prospects and get some perspective. I'd venture to say that well over half the prospects don't taste the majors, except possibly during September call ups. Of those that do get called up or start the season with a club, the percentage that have any real impact, much less future keeper status, is minute. Let's not kid ourselves. Prospects rarely have much of an impact on a team's overall performance.
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| | | 207 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 10:03
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I am here will pick shortly...
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| | | 208 | biliruben
ID: 7751279
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 10:41
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Looking through the dregs for the regular draft, I was thinking exactly the opposite.
If it weren't for the prospect draft, I'd have no team at all. Yu and Cliff Lee are about it, as far as non-homegrown talent.
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| | | 209 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 16:06
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Joe I really wanted to take Kyle Zimmer at 2.13 but I had 4 pitchers on my prospect bench already so I just couldn't see the logic in doing it.
Nice grab.
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| | | 210 | Tree
ID: 189532118
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 17:56
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The list of successful prospects in this league is long. Drew, Napoli, Bailey, Bruce, Choo, Justin Upton, Lincecum, Butler, Gordon, Tulo, Pedroia, Gallardo, Kemp, Pence, Longoria, McCutchen, Josh Hamilton, Kershaw, Price, Braun, CarGo, Votto, Andrus, Wieters, Ellsbury, Gomez, Soria.
And that's only through 2007. Drew to Pedroia were among the prospect keepers going into that draft, and Gallardo and everyone listed afterwards were drafted that season.
The more interesting issue is how many people actually got to keep their prospect because of our low thresholds. McCutchen, arguably a top 5 keeper, went through at least 3 owners during his early playing days.
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| | | 211 | Joe
ID: 32211517
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 18:11
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Appreciate that, nerve...given that I'm rebuilding a team, I tried to grab some high upside arms. Obviously it's going to take me several good drafts and some luck to be competitive, but I'm up for the challenge.
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| | | 212 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 01:11
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Moving the "prospect" draft in front of the regular draft has had an "unintended" consequence.
It's no longer really just a prospect draft.
A number of people have legally used the rules to use the draft to grab players who would normally be taken in the regular draft, rather then because they are a "top" prospect.
In other words some players who have never been a top 20 prospect are being taken simply because they will play this year, while true top 20's are being left for others.
It's an interesting development for the league and it will be interesting to see long term what the correct strategy is.
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| | | 213 | Anthony
ID: 1122361
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 02:25
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<212> yes nerve, that was my strategy as my team was light on. Already having Buxton and Tailion, I picked two definite players this year in Tanaka and Martinez. Im gambling on him moving from the setup role to the rotation, or possibly closing if Rosenthal gets hurt. But I also think Martinez will start eventually if not this year. He's potentially the best of the Cards young brigade
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| | | 214 | Boldwin
ID: 5621257
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 03:18
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Tanaka was hands down the clear best choice no matter where you were in the rebuilding cycle. I am heartened that we are top to bottom 100% expert enuff to not let that pick slide.
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| | | 215 | Boldwin
ID: 5621257
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 03:30
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Then again we did let Sonny Gray and Jim Henderson slide all the way thru so there's obviously room for improvement.
I had identified Gray as a great prospect keeper and then forgot about him a week later.
I had no clue Henderson was that fresh. I even went looking for that situation. I got all excited when I found a closer with 149.2 IP until I realized the limit was not 150, but rather 125. But then I looked right past Henderson. *kicking self* That's the kind of slip that can cost you a #1 finish.
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| | | 216 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 07:27
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Don't misunderstand I am not criticizing. I am just making what I guess is an obvious observation.
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| | | 217 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 07:28
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Addison Reed was just a small bit over the threshold.
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| | | 218 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 09:16
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it definitely changes strategies, and i think those "unintended consequences" were discussed, although that may have been in private conversations.
one of the reasons i didn't keep Danny Salazar is because i saw he was still under the prospect threshold, and i felt he would slide under the radar.
i was a bit more surprised to see Gray, Cingriani, and Henderson go unnoticed. Gray was going to be my second round pick, but WG and i share a brain on these things, so when it came to pick number two, i went potential SP keeper over potential RP washout.
at least one of my other three keepers (almora) is likely to not see much, if any, mlb playing time this season. Bundy's surgery may keep him out of the much of the season, and thusly below the threshold. so that's two automatic prospect keepers right there. And Walker should go over this season, but his lingering soreness makes me very uneasy, so just in case he has some sort of injury that is devastating, i have him in the third prospect spot.
next season will be different - i'll almost certainly have to retool for some long term keepers, but this year, it was a worthwhile risk.
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| | | 219 | GO
ID: 01020815
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 09:26
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This just goes back to this league not having balanced thresholds for RP's vs. SP's. All other prospect leagues I've seen have a threshold of 125 IP OR 25 appearances or whatever it works out to.
And this has been discussed in previous years, I'm sure we can find the old threads. Its wacky that a prospect SP is not a prospect after half a season in the majors... but a prospect RP is considered a prospect for practically 3 seasons lol...
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| | | 220 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 09:35
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Gray was in my list of must grabs, he was just below Cuban Slugger Jose Abreu though. I was certain Gray would not last until 2.09.
Tanner Roarke was not as much talked about as Danny Salazar and Sonny Gray. However, you cannot ignore a 7-1 record with a sub 2 ERA and sub 1 WHIP. I am satisfied with him, though I'd still prefer the other two pitchers. He's projected to be the 5th starter in WAS.
Given our rule set, I think many people will continue to be attracted to second year players over true prospects. Its just rare that a rookie is top-7 keeper worthy, and tying up a prospect slot for a high schooler is a real gamble. Second year guys are just less risky, and you get the added benefit of being able to call them up if they become regulars on the MLB squad.
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| | | 221 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 09:49
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Alright prospect draft is done now, we start back up with the 15 round MLB draft on Draft Time. I am guessing that I will make it available around 12 MAR. You'll be able to pick if you want, but we'll prolly stop at Punk's 1st pick. He is scheduled to return on 17 MAR.
As a reminder, we currently plan to retro-active the stats for the Aussie games on 22-23 MAR (I'm gonna have to look into those mechanics). Where shooting for a 27 MAR finish of the MLB draft.
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| | | 222 | GO
ID: 01020815
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 10:05
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For retro I think you just pick a day of the season where you want to include that days stats + the stats from Aussie games. Kind of like a pseudo doubleheader where you get like 3 games of stats at one time.
So it makes sense to use Sunday Night (opening night) is it March 30th? since there is only one other game and you'd have room to get all they guys you'd theoretically want in the lineup. Then we just say anyone you wanted to have in your lineup in Australia? make sure they are in your lineup for Sunday 3/30.
And are we doing you need to declare on the boards who you want to start/bench before the Aussie games start? or just start everyone who was drafted prior to those games starting?
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| | | 223 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 10:37
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From Yahoo Rules:
Retroactive stats in rotisserie and points only leagues
Making your rotisserie and points only league stats retroactive to the beginning of the season.
Any non head-to-head Custom League (Points or Roto) that completes its draft after the start of the season can elect to have their stats made retroactive to the start of the season.
The Commissioner can access this by:
1.Clicking on the Commish Tools tab.
2.In the League Management section, click on the Change Retroactive Date link, following the completion of the draft.
Retroactive stats always go back to the beginning of the regular season, regardless of the start date displayed on your league settings page.
After your league has drafted, the Commissioner will have the next 14 days to select the date on which your retroactive stats will be run -- there will be 14 days from which to choose.
By 11:59 p.m. Pacific Time, on the night before the retroactive stats are to be run, all teams should have set their starting lineups for the date selected by the Commissioner, to contain the players they wish to receive retroactive stats for.
To set a future roster for your team, go to your team page and click on the date selected by the Commissioner for retroactive stats to run.
Please keep in mind that if you set your lineup in advance for this date, that these changes will be reset if you add a player via free agency, trade, or waivers prior to retroactive scoring being run. All future lineups will be reset to match your lineup for the day the new player is added.
All teams will only be given retroactive stats for one lineup, so the team that is set on this day will act as though it was active for the entire season. Any previous lineups that were used will be overridden by this lineup.
Note: Retroactive stats are applied only to players in active positions on the date that retroactive stats are run.
Teams do not receive retroactive scoring for players on the bench or DL positions.
Please note: It is not possible to re-run statistics within a league. Therefore, if a manager in your league did not set their lineup appropriately prior to the running of retroactive stats, they will not receive scoring for games prior to the league's draft.
If the Commissioner does not set a retroactive stat date within the 14-day window, the league will begin to receive stats on the following (15th) day without any retroactive stats.
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| | | 224 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 10:48
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<222> Based on the above rules, I figure I will "complete the draft" and start the season on 28 MAR. I will set the "Retroactive Date" to 30 MAR and anyone you have in your lineup on 29 MAR at 11:59 PM Pacific will be given stats from the two games on 22-23 MAR.
Hope that's clear enough and that I understand game mechanics well enough.
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| | | 225 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, Mar 08, 2014, 12:05
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I've opened Draft Time with no clock. Please check your rosters and draft picks to make sure I've done it all correctly. I'll be updating the Yahoo rosters today, you should check your draft results there as well.
Let me know if you discover any errors.
If you want to make draft picks in Draft Time, you may, however keep in mind that NOBODY is obliged to draft until 17 MAR.
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| | | 226 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sat, Mar 08, 2014, 17:28
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With putting our prospects into Yahoo, does it have the correct amount of draft rounds?
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| | | 227 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, Mar 08, 2014, 18:19
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Haven't thought through the exact mechanics yet, but eventually I will remove the five prospects and replace them with the last five draft picks. The prospects will retain the "K" next to their names, so they will be less likely accidentally picked up on waivers.
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| | | 228 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Thu, Mar 13, 2014, 04:53
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I have over 100 names in my cue on draftime. Unfortunately two are now gone.
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| | | 229 | GO
ID: 59918108
Thu, Mar 13, 2014, 15:58
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Good idea on marking them keepers, that should be a great visual.
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| | | 230 | PuNkonVAC
ID: 16238916
Fri, Mar 14, 2014, 16:55
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Ha I love the projected finish
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| | | 231 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Fri, Mar 14, 2014, 18:22
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... and as the first pick in my rebuilding effort, I choose...
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| | | 232 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Sat, Mar 15, 2014, 10:47
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So punk picked? I guess this means he's found at least limited access?
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| | | 233 | Boldwin
ID: 172411512
Sat, Mar 15, 2014, 13:41
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I picked Prado.
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| | | 234 | Tree
ID: 521101115
Sun, Mar 16, 2014, 00:40
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Pujols.. I would have loved if he fell to me, but by the same token, it is a rebuilding effort for my team, and Pujols wasn't a part of it. He led me to a championship, but it was time to move on.
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| | | 235 | Nerveclinic
ID: 542438
Sun, Mar 16, 2014, 18:01
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Is there a reason the draft has stopped?
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| | | 236 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Sun, Mar 16, 2014, 19:58
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well, has it technically started yet? if not, then it hasn't really stopped.
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| | | 237 | C1-NRB
ID: 34248179
Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 10:48
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I'll pick sometime today. How's that for vague?
I just regained reliable internet access after 10 days away, so I have some spreadsheet updating and prioritizing to do.
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| | | 238 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 14:25
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I'm back now for the most part
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| | | 239 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 19:02
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OK well I stayed up watching the clock tick. 3 Am here now. I will pick in the morning I don't want my next pick to be chance.
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| | | 240 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916
Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 20:19
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Estimated draft completion May 8th. That can't be right, but why isn't there a clock? These two week drafts are brutal.
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| | | 241 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 20:50
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May 8th is a lot better than July 2015 that it was, it's going to look really long no matter what because of the week it was live without 10 picks.
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| | | 242 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 01:16
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The completion date is broke for us cause the clock was running for nearly a week with no picks, you can ignore it. Remember we are going to retro stats for two aussie games, so we dont need to be done with draft til 27 MAR or so. Need to finish about 1.5 rounds per day. We fall behind that pace and I will put in a clock.
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| | | 243 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 16:04
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This is really ridiculous.
Midnight here. I am headed to bed. I will pick in the morning.
Someone else appears to be asleep anyway.
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| | | 244 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 18:47
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OK, thought I would lay out the guidelines for the draft clock I plan to use. Here are the goals for draft progress before I impose a 6 hour clock. If we lag too far behind, I will reduce it to 4 hours. To be clear, as long as we achieve the pick goal by 23:59 Pacific on the specified day, there will be no pick clock:
18 MAR 04:08
19 MAR 05:14
20 MAR 06:08
21 MAR 08.14
22 MAR 09.14
23 MAR 11.08
24 MAR 12.14
25 MAR 14.08
26 MAR 15:08
We are at pick 04:06 at this writing. Once I turn the clock on I wont turn it back off. I will have a daily pause 10PM to 10AM Eastern. We must have the draft done on 27 MAR.
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| | | 245 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 19:06
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Oops I meant to say:
18 MAR 03:14
19 MAR 05:08
20 MAR 06:14
21 MAR 08.08
22 MAR 09.14
23 MAR 11.08
24 MAR 12.14
25 MAR 14.08
26 MAR 15:08
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| | | 246 | Mr Bobo
ID: 56213321
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 19:18
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Slight problem...Lawrie was a keeper and he just was drafted by Tree earlier tonight.
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| | | 247 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 19:35
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Yeah Brett was kept, but it has Jed instead on DT
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| | | 248 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 19:47
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Since Tree wanted Sandoval if Lawrie wasn't there, i'm not going to pick till this is figured out.
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| | | 249 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 20:06
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<246> The draft is halted now. Apparently I entered Brett Lawrie as Jed Lowrie. Unfortunately, my instructions in <225> were not clear or Mr Bobo simply repeated my error. Sorry for the mistake, hopefully nobody would have drafted Jed, but I cant be sure until I hear from you.
For everyone, if you havent done it to date, check your rosters in Draft Time and Draft results in Yahoo NOW and advise of any issues.
If someone would like to make a claim on Jed Lowrie now, I'll honor the request until 23:59 pacific on 19 MAR. You will have to name who you would drop in his place and that person will return to the pool. I will in turn offer up each successive person and this shit may take quite awhile to finally resolve. Again my apologies.
You are welcome to offer alternative suggestions.
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| | | 250 | Boldwin
ID: 562191819
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 20:20
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I have no issues. Understandable mistake.
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| | | 251 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 20:29
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Guys, things will speed up if you post here whether or not you have interest in Jed Lowrie.
I would be interested in Jed Lowrie, in fact if still available I would take him with my upcoming pick. However, I would not exchange any of my previous picks for him.
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| | | 252 | biliruben
ID: 332321819
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 20:35
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Zero interest.
No money down for 6/months.
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| | | 253 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 20:36
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Scratch that there are others that are better
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| | | 254 | C1-NRB
ID: 591172521
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 20:43
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I don't want Jed.
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| | | 255 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 20:47
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My revelation concerning the relative value of Jed Lowrie, given the other 2B and SSs still available, leads me to believe that this may not be as big a deal as I thought.
If anyone can contact Tree, I am awaiting his alternate pick.
If he doesnt take Beltran or Sandoval, then, barring objection, I will restart the draft and deal with the fallout, if any, of someone wanting to claim Jed Lowrie.
Sorry for all of this confusion guys.
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| | | 256 | Anthony
ID: 362521819
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 20:52
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I'm ok with my picks. I don't think anyone had Choo, Alvarez or Street?
P.S. Apologies for the just under 7 hours I took to pick. The pick before was made at about 1:40am Sydney time when I was sleeping. There were still about 4 or 5 picks to be made before me when I went to bed.
I've put an auto pick delay of 90 mins in case the draft gets moving late in the evening again today.
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| | | 257 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 21:02
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#248, Tree wanted Pablo
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| | | 258 | Mr Bobo
ID: 56213321
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 21:06
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Sorry I missed it earlier.
I had to double-take when I saw he was drafted because I was certain I saw him elsewhere.
No interest in Jed.
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| | | 259 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 21:09
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OK, so who did you want C1?
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| | | 260 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 21:10
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And Punk how did you know that tree wanted Pablo?
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| | | 261 | C1-NRB
ID: 591172521
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 21:14
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And Punk how did you know that tree wanted Pablo?
Good question...
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| | | 262 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 21:15
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I was talking to him on FB saying he broke the draft before he went to Kickball.
"if i lose Lawrie
is that Sandoval was next on my queue
well, if they make me pick again, let them know it's sandoval"
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| | | 263 | C1-NRB
ID: 591172521
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 21:22
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I can buy that.
Jeff Samardzija was next on my queue.
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| | | 264 | biliruben
ID: 332321819
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 21:27
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I'm guessing we can kick start this sucker.
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| | | 265 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 21:36
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Ok I think i fixed it all now and restarted the draft, hopefully we wont get some late comer crying he wants Jed Lowrie.
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| | | 266 | Nerveclinic
ID: 542438
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 00:25
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I do not want Lawrie.
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| | | 267 | Nerveclinic
ID: 542438
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 00:37
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I do not want Lawrie.
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| | | 268 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 01:30
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Lawrie was 1 on my queue, Sandoval 2. i went with Lawrie, due to him being younger than Sandoval,and his multi-position eligibility.
with him not being available, Sandoval would have been my pick, which sucks, because, of course, C1 took him.
anyway, glad we got that straightened out.
(and yes, i play kickball Tuesday and Wednesday nights. i captain on Tuesdays, so i am scrambling around and mad busy making lineups and such. Wednesdays i play just to have fun, drink beer, and of course, win)
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| | | 269 | Anthony
ID: 26238192
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 03:38
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Looking forward to the opening series! I'll be going tomorrow night to Australia vs Dodgers, then to both ARI v LAD games!
Will go down to in store signings with Dee Gordon and Miguel Montero on Thursday/Friday!
Exciting times.
Obviously won't compare to my trip to Fenway but it's pretty cool to see MLB in your home city considering its on the other side of the world!
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| | | 270 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 09:07
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Wow that sound great Anthony. Have a blast.
I wonder if they will ever come and play in Dubai?
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| | | 271 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 09:33
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Goal for 19 MAR, complete pick 5.14. If we dont get there, I'll institute a 6 hour clock for Thursday morning.
I will have a daily pause 10PM to 10AM Eastern.
We must have the draft done on 27 MAR.
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| | | 272 | biliruben
ID: 7751279
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 09:59
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I am so jealous, Anthony. Have a ton of fun. Get a Dee Gordon autograph! My boy would give you all his 2 dollar bills for it.
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| | | 273 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 11:36
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Dee Gordon?
Seriously?
That's how you are raising him?
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| | | 274 | Boldwin
ID: 482401911
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 12:40
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Was Nate Jones taken somehow already?
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| | | 275 | Boldwin
ID: 482401911
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 12:42
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Nope...nevermind.
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| | | 276 | Boldwin
ID: 482401911
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 12:52
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Kinda cheesy that so many players are getting jammed into the UT slot...like Wacha as an extreme example. This makes the grid function useless as a draft analysis tool.
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| | | 277 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 12:59
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I put all of the prospects in UTL.....sorry if that causes you pain
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| | | 278 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 13:33
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prospects in the UT slot makes sense. regularly drafted players should be slotted into their regular positions, hopefully.
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| | | 279 | Boldwin
ID: 482401911
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 13:41
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I am surprised the system even allows Wacha to be placed in the UT slot.
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| | | 280 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 14:13
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Drip
Drip
Drip
Drip
Drip
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| | | 281 | Mr Bobo
ID: 19241915
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 16:04
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Really sorry for the delay today guys...I normally would have had an queue set to autopick, but I got had to attend to a work issue out of the office for the majority of the day.
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| | | 282 | biliruben
ID: 561162511
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 16:23
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re:273 - you'd probably get your kid a lifesize before and afters of Barry Bonds.
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| | | 283 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 16:43
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re282 I don't get it...
Oh and I don't have a kid.
I seemed to have forgotten about that aspect of life.
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| | | 284 | Bilirubin
ID: 302211920
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 21:21
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DAMN You nerve
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| | | 285 | Anthony
ID: 26238192
Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 22:52
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Sorry for the delay, just met Dee. He is pretty small, can see how he can steal 50 bags!
Would post a picture if I could but don't think you can on the forum. I got my opening series ball signed by him and will get Montero's tomorrow. They were also giving away signed mlb authenticated balls if you bought a jersey, so even though I'm a Sox fan, I thought I'd grab a Kershaw jersey being a pitcher as well - maybe it will give me luck in our Grand Final next weekend. Anyway, the 'free' signed ball I got was of Eithier! Who knows, may end up being traded to the Sox.
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| | | 286 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 00:27
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We're doing OK on pace, I think some peer pressure is helping. Thanks to those who are effectively using queues.
As a reminder here are our targets:
20 MAR 06:14
21 MAR 08.08
22 MAR 09.14
23 MAR 11.08
24 MAR 12.14
25 MAR 14.08
26 MAR 15:08
Goal for 20 MAR, complete pick 6.14. If we dont get there, I'll institute a 6 hour clock for Friday morning.
I will have a daily pause 10PM to 10AM Eastern.
We must have the draft done on 27 MAR.
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| | | 287 | Joe
ID: 46219208
Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 09:19
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A couple of quick questions, guys...with regard to position eligibility, is it solely based upon the position(s) listed for the particular player via the Yahoo fantasy baseball site? Also, are there any rules against dropping keepers during the season (I ask because of the Kris Medlen situation)?
Thanks in advance....
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| | | 288 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916
Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 10:12
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Yes and no Joe.
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| | | 289 | Joe
ID: 46219208
Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 10:46
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Thanks, Pancho--much appreciated. I'm trying to field the best team I can for this year (given the dumpster fire that I inherited), but also looking to build my team for the long haul as well.
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| | | 290 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 13:55
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Anyone interested in my draft pick for your prospect?
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| | | 291 | biliruben
ID: 561162511
Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 15:06
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I wonder if Tree knows his autopick is off...
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| | | 292 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 15:14
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<290> Well, I just used 7.09 on Garza. Anyone want 8.09 thru 15.09 for a prospect? Send me an e-mail if you want to start negotiating.
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| | | 293 | Boldwin
ID: 232222017
Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 18:47
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And that's why bili has such a good record. I was SURE Rendon was someone's prospect...but no, and bili caught that.
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| | | 294 | Boldwin
ID: 232222017
Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 18:55
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I didn't know he had so many ab's last year either. 8/
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| | | 295 | C1-NRB
ID: 42152012
Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 20:40
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Rendon was my prospect acquired last season from WG. I didn't keep him, obviously, because I hope I have 2B locked up for a while.
Like you said, his high AB wouldn't let me keep him off the big league roster very long, so I went fishing for someone more "prospect-ish."
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| | | 296 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 21:34
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i knew Rendon wasn't a prospect. i am sure others here did as well. him being grabbed with the 101st pick (or, 199th if you count all the keepers), is still well higher than his current ADP, which hovers around 250.
he's got a lot of potential, but he's far from a sure thing. imho, andrelton simmons has a higher ceiling than Rendon. and Rendon used to be my prospect as well.
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| | | 297 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 23:44
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Simmons a higher ceiling than Rendon in what respect?
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| | | 298 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Fri, Mar 21, 2014, 09:20
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Nice pick, Tree.
Stop poking the hornet, people.
Tree is fully capable of spending 4 hours and finding terrific picks in the 16th round.
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| | | 299 | GO
ID: 01020815
Fri, Mar 21, 2014, 09:50
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We need to all declare which AZ or LAD we plan to start for retroactive stats before the games tomorrow morning.
GO - No AZ or LAD to start, so no impact.
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| | | 300 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, Mar 21, 2014, 09:57
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GO, we discussed this some time back. Stats will be retroactive. You can just wait until the draft is finished, I finish loading players and start the season to decide.
Being able to start only successful players with 20/20 hindsight is a fringe benefit we can all live with. Some of us will get it, some of us wont.
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| | | 301 | GO
ID: 01020815
Fri, Mar 21, 2014, 10:06
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I guess. Seems to me we have a way to set lineups on the up and up -- by saying start Kershaw, bench Trumbo -- in advance of the series and then just applying those on the retro date.
So if Kershaw gets hit for 5 runs we're all gonna be cool with that guy benching him and saying he wouldn't have started him in hindsight?
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| | | 302 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, Mar 21, 2014, 10:17
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Yeah, its kinda the group think decision we came up with some time back. Two games isnt worth all the bother.
You wanna load up on LAD and ARZ guys, then drop them come 30 MAR, its all yours.
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| | | 303 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, Mar 21, 2014, 10:22
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We're doing OK on pace, I think some peer pressure is helping. Thanks to those who are effectively using queues.
As a reminder here are our targets:
20 MAR 06:14
21 MAR 08.08
22 MAR 09.14
23 MAR 11.08
24 MAR 12.14
25 MAR 14.08
26 MAR 15:08
Goal for 21 MAR, complete pick 8.08, but we are already at 9.10, so there wont be a clock before Monday most likely, and its beginning to look like we wont ever need one. Great job guys, keep it going.
We must have the draft done on 27 MAR.
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| | | 304 | GO
ID: 01020815
Fri, Mar 21, 2014, 10:54
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To me its not the picking of the guys in the draft... its that I can watch and see how i.e Kershaw does -- and then decide to bench or start him based on if he does well.
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| | | 305 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, Mar 21, 2014, 11:14
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GO, I wish you would have sounded off in entry #24 not entry #304. The cold fact is that the first game is tomorrow morning in the wee hours. We simply dont have time to debate this now and then implement the solution. I'm sorry if you feel this wasnt fully discussed, but its kinda late now. Just a few things we could discuss:
1) What rights to retroactive stats do players not on your roster NOW have?
2) What draft pick is the cut off for players you CAN get retroactive stats for?
3) What do I do about someone who didn't get a chance to weigh in on this subject?
4) What if someone doesn't get their players submitted in time?
The list goes on, so even though this solution isn't the most elegant, it is the most expedient.
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| | | 306 | GO
ID: 292502110
Fri, Mar 21, 2014, 11:50
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Thats fine, don't want to make it too complicated here for folks.
We are handling simply with no problems in Dirty Dozen. All players picked or kept by midnight tonight are eligible for retroactive stats. You must post your intention to start them by midnight tonight. If you don't post you can't start them. Retroactive lineup night will be 3/30 and those lineups will be crosschecked with the posted players. Done.
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| | | 307 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, Mar 21, 2014, 11:57
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From <224> above:
I will set the retroactive date to 30 MAR.
Anyone you have in your lineup at 11:59 PM Pacific on 29 MAR will be given retroactive stats for the two games on 22-23 MAR.
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| | | 308 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Fri, Mar 21, 2014, 16:57
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So am I reading this correctly?
We have been waiting since 9:15 for a manager to make hi pick and it's now 5PM
So almost 8 hours daytime waiting for someone to pick?
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| | | 309 | C1-NRB
ID: 591172521
Fri, Mar 21, 2014, 20:00
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I think you might want to hit refresh, or log out and log back in.
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| | | 310 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Fri, Mar 21, 2014, 21:31
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I think the Clock broke on the Picks
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| | | 311 | Nerveclinic
ID: 542438
Fri, Mar 21, 2014, 23:41
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Well something is wrong with draft time I think. I 100% set my cue, turned it on, saw that it said on and had changed color, and put a 20 minute delay on. Woke this morning, it's 7:30 am here, and it was my turn. The person at the top of my cue was not who it should have been so I though the draft had gone an extra loop, but instead I find out my auto pick never happened.
It's worked every time before but I am 100% certain I had it set.
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| | | 312 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 00:02
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Last post was written on my iPad.
Came back to the computer I had been working on, realized I had set auto pick for the last que of the draft. I had copied the current que to it, and didn't realize that was the still open and that was the one I had turned on.
Unfortunately somehow didn't get my actual pick (meaning the player I wanted and who is still out there) because I picked in a half asleep stupor thinking my other earler turn had already gone since I thought it was set on auto draft.
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| | | 313 | Anthony
ID: 43210222
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 03:10
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Just came back from a Diamondbacks fan function. Owner and CEO were there, my son got to have a photo holding the owners 2001 World Series ring! Man that thing is huge!
Sitting in our seats now watching a shower blow over. About 90 mins to first pitch!
G'Day to everyone around the world, the 2014 MLB season about to kickoff in my hometown!
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| | | 314 | biliruben
ID: 28420307
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 03:21
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Awesome. Have fun!! Don't post the score, as I'm gonna try and figure out how to watch the game tomorrow.
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| | | 315 | Anthony
ID: 43210222
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 04:28
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Ok no worries mate, no more posts from me for 24 hrs :)
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| | | 316 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 08:04
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I didn't go but I watched the entire game on TV. Will not post score.
Unlike the East Coast USA where the game started at 4AM it was noon here in Dubai.
I once again have purchased MLB season pass for the computer (HD TV) which is good value for money in my book.
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| | | 317 | Nerveclinic
ID: 542438
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 10:46
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The draft is stopped.
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| | | 318 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 11:03
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<312> Draft stopped awaiting Nerveclinic's replacement pick
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| | | 319 | biliruben
ID: 21841115
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 11:38
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For the pick that he thought daftime had snagged him but didn't? Is the player still available?
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| | | 320 | biliruben
ID: 7751279
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 11:57
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I'm gonna be gone all day in a place of dubious cell and net coverage. Got a handful of un-obvious dudes in my general q, so hopefully that should be sufficient.
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| | | 321 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 12:12
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Yes, sorry I didn't know that was an option
Pick is Jeff Samardzja
Thanks and sorry for the delay
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| | | 322 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 12:17
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I hope you all agree that honest mistakes that are reported in a timely fashion should be corrected like this.
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| | | 323 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 12:20
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Wait a minute according to draft time grid Samardzija is on C1NRB's team since round 4
So why has he been showing up in all my cues the last two days?
When the draft reopens I will take a screen shot.
If that is correct then keep Crain.
Maybe that is why when it came to pick time he wasn't offered at the top of the list?
He was definitely in my cue though
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| | | 324 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 12:21
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only issue is Samardzja was drafted some time ago
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| | | 325 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 12:23
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That's really strange Bean he has been in my que, I was surprised he wasn't taken.
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| | | 326 | C1-NRB
ID: 591172521
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 12:23
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Try again, nerve. I got Samardzjia as my replacement for losing Sandoval in the round 3(?) fiasco.
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| | | 327 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 12:24
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I got Samardzjia as my replacement for losing Sandoval in the round 3(?) fiasco.
OK so maybe since he was a "replacement" it created some anomaly where it was showing in my que?
Just keep Crain then sorry but he was certainly showing in que.
But that does explain why he wasn't at the top of the list when the pop up choice came.
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| | | 328 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 12:25
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Thanks Commish, I guess you can restart the draft...
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| | | 329 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 12:26
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OK, Crain it is then; draft restarted
I have seen some wierd shit happen to queues but usually it is with missed picks and replacement picks. We havent had a clock, so no missed picks, dont recall whether or not I had to fix a pick for C1.
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| | | 330 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 12:34
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He is still in my que. I just took a screen shot and sent it to Bean. Now if it would only let me draft him.
If I knew how to post the photo here I would.
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| | | 331 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 12:37
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just remove him from your queue and all will return to normal.
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| | | 332 | PuNkonPhone
ID: 16238916
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 12:38
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Yeah it was because of the problem with Trees pick. If he was in anyones queue after that happened he stayed there. I deleted him off mine that same day cause I saw he was still there.
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| | | 333 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 12:46
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OK just wanted to make sure everyone knew I was only half crazy not completely.
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| | | 334 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 13:31
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<320> Hope the reason he didnt autopick yet is because he has a delay set and not because he forgot to turn it on.
If we get stuck all day here, its no big deal for pace purposes, we're doing fine.
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| | | 335 | Boldwin
ID: 442152119
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 20:51
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Why Kendrys Morales isn't signed; why he won't sign until opening day; and why I can expect he will sign with the Mariners.
I don't know if anyone else wanted him, but I didn't want to look stupid picking a guy who didn't even have a job, so early.
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| | | 336 | Nerveclinic
ID: 542438
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 23:40
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I've read he may not get signed until after June 1 when draft pick is no longer lost. Mariners don't really need another DH.
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| | | 337 | Boldwin
ID: 442152119
Sun, Mar 23, 2014, 03:06
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The Mariners do have too many first-basemen. 8/ And it is Scott Boras.
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| | | 338 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sun, Mar 23, 2014, 10:19
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I started the season and set retroactive date to 30 MAR. Per the Yahoo instructions:
Instructions:
Choose a date on this page if you would like all managers in your league to receive retroactive stats dating back to the start of the season on Saturday, Mar 22. The date you select from the drop down box will be the date the update will be processed.
If you do choose to use this feature all previously accumulated stats will be cleared. Please make sure all of your managers have their desired retroactive stat lineup set by 11:59pm PT on the day before your selected date.
Helpful Hint:
You may want to use this tool if you completed your draft after the season began but still wish to receive stats for the entire year.
• All lineups on this date will copied back to the
beginning of the season (Saturday, Mar 22).
• League statistics will be re-run from the beginning
of the season until the selected date.
• Once the retro stats have been completed,
your league will function normally.
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| | | 339 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sun, Mar 23, 2014, 11:23
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I think I have entered all your drafted players through 13.05 now. Your prospects are no longer on your active roster and you will see a "K" next to them in available players now. That "K" should remain all season.
Take some time to check your roster to ensure its accuracy and check for the K next to your prospects' names in available players. There were 6 prospects not in the Yahoo database.
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| | | 340 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sun, Mar 23, 2014, 11:38
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I have turned off everyone's ability to trade and add/drop players. This will remain in place until 2 days after the draft is complete. If you want to make a waiver claim for a player before I turn that back on, send me an e-mail with your selection before then and I will enforce your priority.
Hope that's clear enough, I will remind you all again when the draft is done.
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| | | 341 | nerveclinic
ID: 54039114
Sun, Mar 23, 2014, 12:47
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Please don't forget to set the waiver order, opposite order of draft.
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| | | 342 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sun, Mar 23, 2014, 12:51
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I believe waiver priority its correct. If I've made a mistake let me know.
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| | | 343 | Boldwin
ID: 442152119
Sun, Mar 23, 2014, 14:27
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Revolting interpretation.Mariners skipper Lloyd McClendon said Corey Hart (forearm, back) will get most of his early-season at-bats at DH.
We can extrapolate a few other projections from this pronouncement: 1.) The odds of a Kendrys Morales return to Seattle appear to be just about zero... - Rotworld Hopefully Boras has Morales' interests at heart in this case and is not using him for his own purposes.
C'mon Smoak...do your usual.
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| | | 344 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Mon, Mar 24, 2014, 09:28
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I think nerve has it right: Kendry has no negotiating position at the moment. The mariners aren't playing for this year and half their squad can play Kendry's position. They don't have any interest in trading him yet, because they don't want to lose a pick.
That said, I would love to see Kendry back. And so would Cano, I imagine.
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| | | 345 | Joe
ID: 39253249
Mon, Mar 24, 2014, 10:53
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Hey guys...draftime appears to be having a bit of a problem for me this morning, so I'll make my last draft selection ASAP.
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| | | 346 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Mar 24, 2014, 11:01
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Its hung for me as well Joe, if you want to give me your choice, i can enter it for you when it comes back up.
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| | | 347 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Mar 25, 2014, 11:27
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Draft is over, your Yahoo rosters should be full. Please check them.
I have turned off everyone's ability to trade and add/drop players. This will remain in place until midday Thursday, 27 MAR (i.e. when I think Anthony has had a chance to wake up in Sydney). If you want to make a waiver claim for a player before I turn that back on, send me an e-mail with your selection before then and I will enforce your priority.
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| | | 348 | GO
ID: 292502110
Tue, Mar 25, 2014, 11:36
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Looks good to me (Draft Results page).
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| | | 349 | Boldwin
ID: 572142516
Tue, Mar 25, 2014, 17:19
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Looks good to go.
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| | | 350 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916
Wed, Mar 26, 2014, 09:15
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I can't even set my lineup. Will that change tomorrow as well?
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| | | 351 | GO
ID: 292502110
Wed, Mar 26, 2014, 10:01
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Yes, we are all in a locked status til Bean flips the switch.
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| | | 352 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Wed, Mar 26, 2014, 12:17
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Is everyone going to be on waivers when we flip the switch Bean?
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| | | 353 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Mar 26, 2014, 14:30
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They will all be free agents, thats why:
1) I have offerred to process your waiver wire guys before I "flip the switch"
2) I have not announced a specific time for when I will "flip the switch"
In other words, I am doing my best to not allow you to play the "waiver vs beating everyone to the punch" game. You want to take your chances with checking back periodically, so as not use your waiver priority, you are welcome to do that.
I won't be adding anyone to my team for awhile, so you needn't worry about me taking advantage.
To be clear, I will process all submitted waivers all at once just before I throw the switch.
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| | | 354 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Mar 27, 2014, 00:53
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What's the point of that over having everyone on waivers for a day?
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| | | 355 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Thu, Mar 27, 2014, 01:34
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The point is simple, I dont know how to reset the waiver period for all players simultaneously using the Yahoo software without starting the league over again.
Here is the most likely option:
Edit Player Waiver Dates
Change the date that any player currently on waivers will become a free agent.
this option only changes players that are currently on waivers. It cant change the entire available player pool unless they are all on waivers, and to get them all on waivers again I would have to start the league over, which I dont plan to do.
So, as far as I can see, if I want to put all available players on waivers, the easiest way to do it is the way I have described - offline processing. In any case, its not that much work for me, or for you to do it as I have asked. I've given you my e-mail address. If you have someone specific in mind, send me an e-mail.
Now knowing all of this detail, do you still have a valid reason for objection to what I have asked for? It will all be over shortly, so just go with it please (just a small pinch).
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| | | 356 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Mar 27, 2014, 01:42
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I could care less as i'm not picking anyone up, just was asking why everyone wouldn't be.
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| | | 357 | GO
ID: 292502110
Thu, Mar 27, 2014, 09:36
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With Dirty Dozen I just did it and had the League Settings of "After draft, make all unowned players:" = Follow Waiver Rules which for us meant after I hit "Begin Season" and it auto-imported the selected keepers (and draft picks that I manually added) all the others hit had a 1 day waiver. So all our are free agents til Saturday morning.
But I think you said you didn't use the keeper tools, right? So that means you did begin season and then have been manually going into the free agent pool and adding them one by one to peoples rosters? (I'm guessing this cause the way we are all locked).
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| | | 358 | GO
ID: 292502110
Thu, Mar 27, 2014, 09:38
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We need to remember to move the trade deadline from August 17th to August 31st.
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| | | 359 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Thu, Mar 27, 2014, 10:33
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GO,
I couldn't do things exactly as you suggest due to not knowing how long it would take me to drop the prospects then add your last five picks while the draft was still in progress.
Changed trade deadline
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| | | 360 | GO
ID: 292502110
Thu, Mar 27, 2014, 10:44
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Gotcha, the prospects certainly change things.
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| | | 361 | Nerveclinic
ID: 542438
Sat, Mar 29, 2014, 03:00
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Well I will say this, I don't think we have ever had a league filled in and started so fast after a draft. Great job Commish.
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| | | 362 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, Mar 29, 2014, 09:01
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Dont forget to set your lineups for tonites retro stat update.
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| | | 363 | GO
ID: 11131520
Sat, Mar 29, 2014, 10:27
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Thanks Bean!
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| | | 364 | biliruben
ID: 21841115
Sat, Mar 29, 2014, 13:01
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You rock, sir.
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| | | 365 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Mon, Mar 31, 2014, 16:27
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That was too easy.
Left the draft with 1 closer.
Now have 3, for the moment anyway.
...but go ahead and draft your closers early and often.
Hey gotta start the year with some trash talk.
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| | | 366 | C1-NRB
ID: 42152012
Mon, Mar 31, 2014, 16:40
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Hey gotta start the year with some trash talk.
I'm taking a screenshot of my team in first place so I can prove I went wire-to-wire if anyone asks.
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| | | 367 | Anthony
ID: 353212
Tue, Apr 01, 2014, 03:02
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Sizemore!
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| | | 368 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Tue, Apr 01, 2014, 16:43
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Ah sorry.
Make that 4 closers...
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| | | 369 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Apr 01, 2014, 18:20
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That is one of my pet peaves. The way the free agent system works, it rewards the guy who is the fastest, not necessarily the guy who is making the best decisions. Being able to get more than your fair share of newly declared closers is a guarantee to do well in any league that doesnt require roster changes go through a waiver wire system. Even if you cant use all of the closers you acquire, they become valuable trade fodder to improve your team.
At the risk of sounding like a cry baby, I'll say "it's just not fair". Would be fairer if ALL added players were required to clear waivers.
It's never an issue with non-competitive leagues, but leagues born here at rotoguru are all very competitive, and many people are looking for any edge they can get. The same guys always get the closers mid-season...it's predictable. I have never enjoyed the pleasure of grabbing a closer before the rest of the league here. Just far too many people recieving notice from some service or being glued to the TV that beat me to the punch. You simply cant wait to read the news in the morning if you want to have any chance to get one.
I also prefer a waiver wire system to avoid the whole "staying up past midnight" routine for streaming players at the end of the season. Its just an absurd inconvenience made necessary only because the competition "makes" you do it.
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| | | 370 | GO
ID: 11131520
Tue, Apr 01, 2014, 18:52
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I could see a system where all players went to waivers every night. Then you put your claims in throughout the day and each morning find out who ya got.
On the other hand... that might make managing your team very difficult. I know I'll make moves and I kind of need them to be definitive because other moves are contingent on them. like if I'm adding a 2B here then I plan to slide over my 2B/SS to cover a SS day off or injury etc - then I kind of definitely need to know I got the one guy before I go and make the complementary move.
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| | | 371 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Tue, Apr 01, 2014, 20:11
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i used to be against waivers, but more and more, i am of Bean's belief, and would now prefer them.
we've used them in football for years, and quite frankly, i like the thrill of seeing if i got the player i wanted.
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| | | 372 | Boldwin
ID: 13333121
Tue, Apr 01, 2014, 22:43
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I was deciding between Lindstrom and O'Day before the league opened and only felt like I had one slot to spare for it. If A.J.Griffin had been put on the DL a day earlier I would have had two slots. Lindstrom wasn't picked up after he had the job so I am not so sure waivers are even enuff to get most managers ahead of Nerve. Nerve pays carrying costs tho. Slots wasted. It doesn't always work out for him.
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| | | 373 | Boldwin
ID: 13333121
Tue, Apr 01, 2014, 22:46
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I carried Uehara last year a long time, only to have him get the job a week or two after I dropped him. Ouch.
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| | | 374 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Wed, Apr 02, 2014, 06:19
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it rewards the guy who is the fastest, not necessarily the guy who is making the best decisions.
Well then in the end, the guy who makes bad decisions will be punished for them. No? Also sounds like you are condemning a manager for doing constant research and being ready to move for Free Agent picks. Are you a socialist?
At the risk of sounding like a cry baby, I'll say "it's just not fair".
Cry Baby ;)
far too many people recieving notice from some service
There is a service that tells you when there is a closing change? Can you clue me in that sounds great.
leagues born here at rotoguru are all very competitive, and many people are looking for any edge they can get.
Maybe you should stick with public leagues if you want to take the edge off?
It sounds like everything you are saying is you are frustrated because there is an advantage to managers that are aggressive, and who follow the sport, and who read up on what is happening? Those are all skill sets in this league and you are describing it almost like cheating.
Look at my Valverde pick up. I picked him right after Parnell's poor performance opening day, I just read that he looked bad, and then I looked up that Valverde was next in line, and I had an open slot, so I grabbed him. That was Monday night. The next day I hear Eric Karabel say, Parnell will be on the DL in a week, and I am thinking thanks Eric, Valverde's been on my bench for 14 hours. (one reason that show is almost worthless)
It just seems like some people here are now complaining about other managers who are putting in the effort, and research and willingness to take risks.
Anyone who looks at the drafts the last few years can see this is my drafting model, one closer (Qualls this year) because I know I will make the effort during the season.
That said I had to trade Billi for two closer last year because the plan didn't go smooth. (Lost my 2nd round pick this year for it.)
On top of everything else, the rest of you have a huge advantage over me, because I am asleep when most of the games are played and closer changes are happing. It just so happened first day of the season was mostly day games Monday.
To want to put any picked up player on waivers, so all the slow managers get a day or two to do their research, to see why the smart manager is grabbing him, and then take his pick from him now that they have gotten around to deciding he's right, that seems like you are trying to dumb things down and make things easier for certain managers.
And how would anyone be able to stream pitchers then? Most of us who stream pitchers figure it out a day or two before, so by the time he is picked you would have to wait for waivers and not be able to use him? That would also completely change this league. I know there were years Billi under drafted pitchers and then would stream a pitcher grabbing him the day before his start. I think Billi won the league one year doing that. That whole way of playing would be gone.
That one rule change would completely change how this league works.
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| | | 375 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Wed, Apr 02, 2014, 06:22
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Lindstrom wasn't picked up after he had the job so I am not so sure waivers are even enuff to get most managers ahead of Nerve.
Valverde that is true, Lindstrom I had just read somewhere that Parnell was injured, so basically it was just after they had said there would be a new closer.
I carried Uehara last year a long time, only to have him get the job a week or two after I dropped him.
I don't think I ever properly thanked you for that. Thank you.
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| | | 376 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Wed, Apr 02, 2014, 06:25
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By the way I am in another league where I tried to get Lindstrom, and Santos right after adding them here and someone had already beat me to it. Only got Valverde by taking him a day early.
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| | | 377 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Wed, Apr 02, 2014, 08:00
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Actually if we changed to a waiver system, where after a manager picks up a player, he is held for 24-48 hours in limbo, giving other managers with a higher waiver order priority, it would end pitching streamlining.
Streaming pitchers get dropped and picked up over and over.
So a pitcher gets drooped he goes on waivers for 2.5 days already, then if someone picked him up the third day you have to wait 2 more days, by then his rotation slot is likely over.
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| | | 378 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Apr 02, 2014, 10:29
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That one rule change would completely change how this league works.
Well, not completely, it would just change one aspect of the game, FA pick ups. We insist on parity in the draft, why not in free agency as well?
Actually if we changed to a waiver system, where after a manager picks up a player, he is held for 24-48 hours in limbo, giving other managers with a higher waiver order priority, it would end pitching streamlining.
No it wouldn't, pitchers pitch every 5th day and Yahoo even marks the probables so you can project out. Rotating position players in for non-DL days of rest through the waiver system would be a little harder though, but that's what the bench is for.
There is a service that tells you when there is a closing change?
Scoutingbook.com runs Closer Watch 2.0 (nearly useless), it's not a service but it's just a matter of time before one is offered, if they dont already exist. Actually, just getting box scores after the end of the game via e-mail on a smart phone would suffice really. Problem is you have to be tethered to the game to make that useful. Forget about pursuing other things, you've just got yourself a second job.
Having games end while you are sleeping is a disadvantage for everyone to some degree. Finding out about it the next morning when its already too late is frustrating. Dont know about you guys, but I set my lineups with the morning coffee in my hand. That's when I do my research, always too late for closers who pitched the night before, or closers getting yanked with an injury.
As for the guys you pick up because you heard they might be considered for the job in the future, there is a news cycle there too. We may all read the same article, but the guy who read it first is the guy who reacts first. It's not like we all can interview the coaches whenever we want, we just hear things from our sources, and most of us are reading the same things, just at different times.
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| | | 379 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Wed, Apr 02, 2014, 12:22
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No it wouldn't, pitchers pitch every 5th day and Yahoo even marks the probables so you can project out.
Your not looking at the full implication.
I pick up Bartolo Colon to stream. When the game ends I drop him to Free Agent pool which locks him up for usually 2.5 days since Yahoo puts him on waivers. Now a manager makes a claim to pick him up. How long is waivers? If another 2 days waiting for the rest of the league to decide if they want him, only then he gets added to your team and for the day after not same day. Very good odds he would not be available for his start.
As far as the 5 day game log, now your trying to make it even more complicated, just one more thing to try and look at in advance when we already have enough to do with the multiple leagues we are in. You are changing a big part of how this league has already been played because your having a tough time beating other managers to the FA pick ups.
The leagues you and I are in with waivers are a completely different animal with 30 man rosters and salary caps. It makes somewhat more sense there although I'm still not sure I like it. But that is a league where you can only pick up 5-6 players a year before you will blow through your salary cap.
I set my lineups with the morning coffee in my hand. morning coffee is when I am looking at box scores from the night before looking for the next closer. You could have done the same except maybe for very late games at the end of your night while I am asleep.
You think this would be easy Bean but remember it is normal for some of us to have 120-140 transactions in a season. That means every single time we want to make any of these 140 moves we will have to deal with another layer of waivers. It's not TPKL where maybe 30-40 total transactions happen all year for the whole league.
In any case you can start a thread of pros and cons and vote for next year but I hope if we do that we will have a long winded discussion before the vote to make sure everyone understands how much it would alter the way the league has been played.
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| | | 380 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Apr 02, 2014, 13:40
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You are changing a big part of how this league has already been played because your having a tough time beating other managers to the FA pick ups.
I am not changing anything, I am trying to get conversation about this subject is all. If enough people agree with my view, I'll put it to a vote. This is a normal parliamentary way of changing things. You disagree with me, its your option to debate your side to sway votes to your side. There's no crisis here, I just hope folks actually bother to look here and read the discussion, and better yet, comment.
which locks him up for usually 2.5 days
Correct there is just a 2.5 day wait after a player is returned to the waiver pool. You make the waiver claim as soon as he is put back in the pool, 2.5 days later he is on your roster. If he is dropped immediately following his start you will be able to pick him up before he pitches again. There is no need to add 2.5 days of waivers plus another 2.5 days of waiting for others to join in the fun...the timelines are concurrent, and therefore dont require any advanced math. Fact is that when I stream in rotoguru leagues I use my waiver priority religiously cause I cant be awake at the time change to avoid using it. Nothing worse than always getting the third tier starting pitchers only because you werent awake before the other two guys who are also streaming.
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| | | 381 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Apr 02, 2014, 14:02
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As an aside, I suggested using waivers in Khahan's new 8 MEN OUT keeper league, given that there was a clean slate there. Khahan is much like you Nerveclinic, he's one of the guys who benefits from being "glued to the set" and gets his fair share of new closers. Naturally, he sees it as "part of the game" just like you. He shot it down before it could gain any momentum.
I'll keep trying in every league I am in until I convert enough gurus. Will wait til there is a chance of winning before we storm the castle. ;)
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| | | 382 | Tree
ID: 521101115
Wed, Apr 02, 2014, 14:57
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Like other things in this league, i'd be in favor of trying it for a year, and going from there.
As for streaming, it won't have the profound effect NC is concerned about. It's not a 5 day lag time.
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| | | 383 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Wed, Apr 02, 2014, 16:31
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I am not changing anything, I am trying to get conversation about this subject is all.
Fair Enough I am not trying to stop that.
If enough people agree with my view, I'll put it to a vote.
This is a normal parliamentary way of changing things. You disagree with me, its your option to debate your side to sway votes to your side.
As old timers will attest, it's how the league has always been run and it was a structure I implemented when I started it and to this day I think it's the best way.
There is no need to add 2.5 days of waivers plus another 2.5 days of waiting for others to join in the fun
First let me say aside from this side argument I disagree with the whole idea but...
Yahoo will not allow that subtly. Every player thrown back goes on waivers. so what if someone claims him right at the end of the 2.5 days on yahoo? Not right at the start. Now an artificial clock has to start over, that commish has to keep track of.
You are saying there will be two waivers?
You make the waiver claim as soon as he is put back in the pool, 2.5 days later he is on your roster.
Well what if you don't? What if most of the 2.5 is gone and then you claim a player. Now more days have to go by. That is my point.
So player A is dropped. Yahoo 2.5 day waiver starts. now right at the end a manager claims him, and then the new league waiver will start, right two more days? Otherwise a manager can game the system by waiting to claim a player at the end of the normal 2.5 in which case there is no extra waiver.
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| | | 384 | C1-NRB
ID: 42152012
Wed, Apr 02, 2014, 16:38
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Otherwise a manager can game the system by waiting to claim a player at the end of the normal 2.5 in which case there is no extra waiver.
I thought that was how it worked; once a player clears waivers he's a Free Agent and can be picked up by anyone immediately. This isn't MLB where a waiver claim re-starts a clock. If it was, the waiving team would have the right to pull him back off waivers.
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| | | 385 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Wed, Apr 02, 2014, 16:38
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It's not a 5 day lag time.
Actually it can be easily. Your not really thinking this through, or maybe you don't understand what Bean is proposing?
Normal 2.5 waiver.
near the end manager claims player.
2 more day waiver based on new pick = 5 days and this is assuming that the old "owner" doesn't wait to drop the said player a day or two late to game the system and make sure no one else could use the pitcher for his next start.
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| | | 386 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Wed, Apr 02, 2014, 16:39
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I thought that was how it worked; once a player clears waivers he's a Free Agent and can be picked up by anyone immediately.
That is what Bean wants to change.
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| | | 387 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Apr 02, 2014, 17:01
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From Yahoo Settings for Waiver Mode:
Use these settings to give everyone in the league a fair chance at picking up players. Continuous means that all unowned players are on waivers at all times. Waiver claims are processed on fixed days of the week as defined by the commissioner. When a player is dropped, he must remain on waivers for a set number of days before he can be claimed; that number of days is indicated by the Waiver Time setting. Standard means that all dropped players go onto waivers for a period of time specified by the Waiver Time parameter, and if unclaimed become free agents.
Note that while changing your waiver rule or continuous waiver clear days during the season are allowed, changing either setting can lead to confusing or unexpected behavior. In particular, if your league has any outstanding waiver claims on players, or has players on waivers due to being dropped or newly added to the game, when you transition between modes or change clear days, players may not clear waivers when you might predict or expect.
The default is Standard which we use in most roto guru leagues. I believe you can specify all 7 days of the week for waiver claims, would have to play with the options to see what is possible.
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| | | 388 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Apr 02, 2014, 17:05
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I confirmed that you can process waivers 7 days a week.
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| | | 389 | biliruben
ID: 28420307
Thu, Apr 03, 2014, 06:40
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It's true that this league's feel, and particularly many owner's drafting strategy, is pretty integral to the waiver process.
It's traditionally been an active league, and I certainly have gone light on starters and even relievers in the past, knowing I could make it up with FAs. I've streamed for entire seasons. It is a high-risk, high-reward proposition, and it can sink your team as fast as make it, if you don't have a strong pulse and the young starting talent.
That said, I'm rarely devoted enough these days to do this for at most one of my teams (and I'm down to just 2 these days), and I'm not certain I wouldn't be interested in at least hearing about ideas for change. It would definitely change the feel of the league though.
And we certainly couldn't make any change in-season, as people drafted with our current waiver system in mind.
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| | | 390 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Thu, Apr 03, 2014, 06:55
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Bean you can start a thread and propose a rule change for next year. Explain in the thread exactly how everything would work in full detail. Then we can see if it even is allowed in Yahoo. If it is when can then debate it in full and then have a vote for next year.
Sounds like you, Tree and Bili are already yes votes. Please just be clear exactly how it would work so people understand what exactly they are voting on. And yes it would completely change the way I approach the league and how I draft.
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| | | 391 | biliruben
ID: 28420307
Thu, Apr 03, 2014, 07:04
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I am certainly not a yes vote.
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| | | 392 | biliruben
ID: 28420307
Thu, Apr 03, 2014, 07:21
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yet.
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| | | 393 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Thu, Apr 03, 2014, 09:38
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<390> I think I'll ask MBS owners if I can experiment with settings before I start a thread. Would like to be certain of the effects first, and there is little waiver activity there to disrupt. These settings are more with the spirit of the MBS (and TPKL) rules and would prolly be appropriate there in any case.
Half the MBS owners are also here in Poli, so I would hope they'd not object to the experiment.
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| | | 394 | WG
ID: 59552022
Sat, Apr 05, 2014, 12:09
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Sorry I forget, can I move my prospects up and down until they hit their limits?
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| | | 395 | C1-NRB
ID: 45328511
Sat, Apr 05, 2014, 12:28
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Yes. But once they reach the limit if you waive them they hit the open waiver market.
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| | | 396 | Boldwin
ID: 33329520
Sat, Apr 05, 2014, 21:41
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Expect me to be against adding waiver time. I'm not quite as good as Nerve at it, but I get my fair share of new closers and then some. I don't need a ball and chain added to the process.
I certainly respect the debate and those on the other side of the debate.
I also greatly appreciate having a commish with the fire and the grit to fight over these issues and rake these ideas over the coals like a true lawyer.
Toral, return to us. You'd be happy here once again.
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| | | 397 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Thu, Apr 10, 2014, 04:44
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I've actually reached the point where I can no longer add possible closers because I have too many currently on my team. I actually beat Tree to Gregerson but I couldn't find anyone to drop.
This honestly says more about this league then it does about me. My other league, with Joe AKA MITH I go to grab the same players and they are already gone, and they are only a 12 team league not 14.
I honestly think this league is just a bit slow now.
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| | | 398 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Fri, Apr 11, 2014, 00:11
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I think you are right.
I'm struggling to check in once a day.
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| | | 399 | Boldwin
ID: 53342110
Fri, Apr 11, 2014, 01:49
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Nerve
Give us a bench and you won't find so many closers in waiting waiting for you to pick up. Some of us actually want to get a full set of at-bats for the year.
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| | | 400 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Fri, Apr 11, 2014, 04:05
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By the way for obvious reasons I didn't want to say it yesterday since I also wanted to pick him up but was going to take Joba a full 18 hours before Tree.
Picked him up in the "other" league.
If the time looks strange I believe I am registered for the time zone here.
Adding Joba Chamberlain Det - RP
Free Agent
Dropping Sean Doolittle Oak - RP
To Free Agent
Dubai Camel Jockeys
Apr 10, 8:05 am
Adding Joba Chamberlain Det - RP
Free Agent
Dropping Mike Moustakas KC - 3B
To Waivers
Freaky Slaughts
Apr 10, 4:12 pm
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Just saying'...
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| | | 401 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, Apr 11, 2014, 09:53
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And so, as I alluded to earlier. Being the guy who gets all the closers ends up being what the game regresses to.
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| | | 402 | GO
ID: 292502110
Fri, Apr 11, 2014, 10:36
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Not really, its just one lonely category that everyone overpays for... and if one guy gets all the closers it doesn't really matter. All he can do is score 12 there. And he's depleted his bench and space for SP in other spots.
When i can just have a couple closers and score a solid 9-10 in Saves -- and worry about better managing all the other spots more efficiently.
The only true difference is that if you don't plan to chase them you gotta draft a few good ones in the middle rounds or earlier than others. And in those spots you could be taking chances on sleeper hitters, SP's etc.
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| | | 403 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, Apr 11, 2014, 10:52
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And in those spots you could be taking chances on sleeper hitters, SP's etc.
yep that would be the point
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| | | 404 | Nerveclinic
ID: 542438
Sat, Apr 12, 2014, 11:53
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Nice grab of Mujica Tree. That could be a sweet grab.
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| | | 405 | Boldwin
ID: 13361217
Sat, Apr 12, 2014, 18:59
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Yes, I know Doolittle is the lefty. He's also juuust a bit better than the other fine options so maybe...
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| | | 406 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Sat, Apr 12, 2014, 20:16
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thanks. when i saw he was available in this league (well, and three of my other leagues as well), i was pretty shocked.
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| | | 407 | Joe
ID: 6357166
Wed, Apr 16, 2014, 07:57
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Thank the heavens that George Springer will be called up by the Astros today...my team in the Poli league couldn't be off to a colder start. NOTHING is working other than strikeouts by my starting pitchers.
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| | | 408 | Boldwin
ID: 9315169
Wed, Apr 16, 2014, 10:41
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He should be all kinds of fun for you, for his whole career, Joe.
It's kinda wierd for me. None of my pitchers look like they will be stinkers for me...and yet one pitcher has destroyed my stats to date. Strasburg. My working theory is that he added a slider to his arsenal and he is still in extended spring training with it. You can't sit a guy who pitches a 14K gem one game and you can't live with his 22.00 ERA the next game. I have three pitching categories giving me a combined score of 4 and it's almost solely due to Strasburg.
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| | | 409 | Boldwin
ID: 29358203
Sun, Apr 20, 2014, 04:58
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How did Tree win a trade medal when there are no trades listed in transactions?
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| | | 410 | Nerveclinic
ID: 542438
Sun, Apr 20, 2014, 17:25
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Baldwin: How did Tree win a trade medal when there are no trades listed in transactions?
Why do you care? ;)
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| | | 411 | Perm Dude
ID: 431013412
Sun, Apr 20, 2014, 17:49
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TDS.
:)
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| | | 412 | Boldwin
ID: 29358203
Sun, Apr 20, 2014, 19:12
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I stand in awe of his trading prowess. He even wins medals for it when he doesn't trade.
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| | | 413 | Boldwin
ID: 1353218
Mon, Apr 21, 2014, 10:09
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How tuff it is to get a save this year? I've got both ARI's closer, the CUBS closer and neither team can score more than 3 runs this year. Now watch me still not get my 4th save of the year.
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| | | 414 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Tue, Apr 22, 2014, 08:30
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people actually pay attention to medals won?
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| | | 415 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Tue, Apr 22, 2014, 09:59
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I stand in awe of his trading prowess.
I stand as far away as I can from his trading prowess, preferably on the other side of the planet....
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| | | 416 | Boldwin
ID: 493202218
Tue, Apr 22, 2014, 19:20
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I now see Dubai in a whole new light.
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| | | 417 | WG
ID: 59552022
Sun, May 04, 2014, 12:50
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Just thought I'd point this out. Christian Yelich was my prospect to begin the year. He had 240 AB as 2014 began. bili-cruisin added him on April 10 when he had about 30 AB on the season. He was still a prospect then, correct? And therefore should not have been allowed to have been added? He crossed 300 AB shortly after and is well past that now, so I believe I missed my grace period in adding him after he no longer qualifies as a prospect? Any remedy needed here though?
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| | | 418 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sun, May 04, 2014, 13:37
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WG, and everyone else,
Sorry that nobody caught that when it happened. I do not check every transaction as it occurs, sorry just dont have the wearwithall.
If my calculation is correct, Yelich went over 300 ABs on 19 APR. Adding one week to that, per the rules would take us to 26 APR. Besides the unearned stats that Billi would have accrued, I dont see a significant issue with allowing him to keep Yelich. Had you raised the issue before 27 APR I would have given him to you.
I did a quick check of Yelich's stats from 10 APR to 27 APR and though they were good, they werent phenomenal, therefore unlikely much better than his replacement.
For everyone, please take some time in the next few days to look at all your prospects. For those using smart phones for roster changes, please take some time to look at the list of prospects in the commish notes before you pick a player up.
This is the third time that its been reported that someone has picked up a protected prospect. I know that nobody has malintent, so there is really no need for punitive measures. However, I do want to avoid hard feelings and an argument at season's end.
Bottom line is I am doing nothing about this.
If you have issue with how I am handling this, please make it known now. Your silence is consent.
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| | | 419 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Sun, May 04, 2014, 13:45
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why are we so lax on this this season? we've always been much better about it.
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| | | 420 | Boldwin
ID: 345837
Sun, May 04, 2014, 19:41
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1) We usually have more inadvertent pickup mistakes.
2) The guy who has his prospect lifted, should be all over it in a timely fashion. He's the one most likely to notice.
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| | | 421 | WG
ID: 59552022
Sun, May 04, 2014, 19:44
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I acknowledged that I waited too long and wasn't asking for him back... just pointing it out in case a correction needed to be applied.
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| | | 422 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Sun, May 04, 2014, 22:55
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Genuinely sorry, WG. I didn't intend to steal your prospect. You want him you got him.
He's mainly been bench-fodder, fwiw.
He's contributed 6 runs, 1 hr, 2 rbis and 1 sb in the 12 games I've played him. Probably pretty close to replacement value.
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| | | 423 | C1-NRB
ID: 642458
Mon, May 05, 2014, 09:24
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The first incident went without punishment and look what happens. It's a slippery slope, I tell ya.
There needs to be consequences for these things. PV needs to re-name his team "PV's Prospect Pilferers" and bili's team should be "bili's prospect prowlers" for the rest of the season as reminder and warning to all.
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| | | 424 | biliruben
ID: 332321819
Mon, May 05, 2014, 11:34
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But then we would run afoul of the name change police. What's a dirty thief to do?
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| | | 425 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Thu, May 08, 2014, 15:00
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I do not check every transaction as it occurs, sorry just dont have the wearwithall.
Bean it's not your responsibility, we all try to monitor it as a group. You already expend a lot of energy for the league without being responsible for this also.
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| | | 426 | Boldwin
ID: 20432813
Thu, May 08, 2014, 17:23
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Let he who has never picked up a prospect keeper by mistake cast the first stone.
*crickets*
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| | | 427 | WG
ID: 59552022
Sat, May 10, 2014, 11:58
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Ok to drop/send Billy down, right? Only 115 career AB.
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| | | 428 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, May 10, 2014, 12:03
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300 AB
125 IP
7day grace
so yes
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| | | 429 | GO
ID: 292502110
Mon, May 12, 2014, 13:51
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Boldwin plan to compete this year or just content to look up at GObama!?!
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| | | 430 | Boldwin
ID: 3461221
Mon, May 12, 2014, 22:06
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"Odor HR to right"
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| | | 431 | Boldwin
ID: 3461221
Mon, May 12, 2014, 22:34
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GO
Don't get overconfident, GO.
Prado and Soriano are historic late starters.
Trout still has a higher gear to kick it into.
My counting stats are all easily within striking distance.
My offense is extremely well balanced in all categories and I would be shocked if I didn't end up with healthy double digits in all offensive.
I often lead in K's.
I am set with starting pitching, no need for streaming shaky starters.
My saves which started in last because I lost my second closer early...are climbing rapidly and I expect:
Reed
Fieri
Rondon
all look solid to me.
I expect Motte to be closer within a month.
I think I have half a chance Frank Francisco closes. He has lots of experience in the role. He's pitching strong and just got called up. Lindstrom doesn't inspire confidence.
If you are counting on beating me in saves...
If you really believe my starters don't rapidly improve on the 2 pts per WHIP and ERA they are giving me, take another look at them.
Strasburg is just experimenting with pitching more to contact [Washington's bright idea] to lower his pitch count. He'll surely find a balance with that and reduce his bad outings. It looks worse than it is when your best pitcher is still experimenting in extended spring training.
My only real weaknesses are at first base and Chris Archer's shaky start.
Alex Meyers is just chomping at the bit to supercharge my pitching, as far as I can tell. Skaggs throws off frequent sparks of getting it together tho I don't need him.
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| | | 432 | GO
ID: 11131520
Mon, May 12, 2014, 22:36
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Just want to make sure you are awake and plan to bring it this year. I have no idea why I'm in first frankly - I don't feel like anyone is playing all that great.
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| | | 433 | Boldwin
ID: 3461221
Mon, May 12, 2014, 23:11
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I've made enuff moves to convince you, I'd think. Especially for a guy who doesn't need to stream pitchers.
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| | | 434 | Boldwin
ID: 3461221
Mon, May 12, 2014, 23:13
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A healthy Alex Cobb and Alex Meyer will look a lot different.
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| | | 435 | Boldwin
ID: 3461221
Tue, May 13, 2014, 17:55
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WG's chances take a big hit.
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| | | 436 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Tue, May 13, 2014, 20:00
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tied for 4th in homers, but in last place in ribbies. don't get it.
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| | | 437 | C1-NRB
ID: 27481321
Tue, May 13, 2014, 22:10
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Regarding prospects and rights-retaining roster "cuts", does this include playoff appearances or just regular season? The league rules do not address it:
"Under 300 AB's or 125 IP to be draft eligible
You can retain up to 3 prospect eligible players from one season to next
There are 5 rounds in the prospect draft - minus a pick for each prospect you carry over.
Any player at any level (as long as they are under limits) can be drafted as prospect. College, International, Little League etc.
Prospects may be called up in-season and can be sent back and forth to prospect list until they meet the prospect thresholds.
If you drop them after they meet the threshold, any team is eligible to add them.
If they reach the threshold while not on the active roster you must call them up within 7 days or lose their rights
If a prospect reaches the limit within 7 days or regular season end they can only be kept as a regular keeper.
Prospect rights may be traded.
Prospect picks may be traded as long as receiving team has enough spots to make the draft pick at time of draft.
You can trade for as many prospects as you like - however you'll need to have 3 or less at the time of the Prospect Draft"
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| | | 438 | Boldwin
ID: 3461221
Wed, May 14, 2014, 00:29
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I can't imagine why a playoff at bat wouldn't count as an at bat in the majors.
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| | | 439 | GO
ID: 292502110
Wed, May 14, 2014, 09:16
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Do postseason stats count towards your career numbers in real baseball? I don't think so.
Oddly enough when counting rookie of the year status in real life neither the playoffs OR games played in September count against you.
The current standard of 130 at bats, 50 innings pitched or 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club (excluding time in military service or on the disabled list) before September 1 was adopted in 1971
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| | | 440 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Wed, May 14, 2014, 09:19
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this has come up in the past, and no, playoff numbers don't count. they don't count in official regular season stats.
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| | | 441 | Boldwin
ID: 42446148
Wed, May 14, 2014, 09:46
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I would think it's not something we need to calculate either way. We'd use whatever stat the league gives us for career ip/ab.
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| | | 442 | C1-NRB
ID: 27481321
Wed, May 14, 2014, 11:32
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The Yahoo player page seperates regular season from playoffs. My reason for asking is sort of a moot point today- I was going to drop Wacha (112 regular season IP/ 30.2 playoff IP) to add Gausman for today's call up start, but Wacha starts today, too.
But for future reference it should be something we address.
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| | | 443 | Boldwin
ID: 53401414
Wed, May 14, 2014, 15:00
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The biggest thing about my team is that the same batters who gave me @5 straight 14's in the early going have only given me 9 HR in the last 14 days. You can decide for yourself which is the real them.
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| | | 444 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, May 14, 2014, 16:27
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<440> Thanks for the history lesson Tree. I like the answer, because the playoff stats aren't readily available, and just cause challenges for the commish.
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| | | 445 | Boldwin
ID: 134181819
Mon, May 19, 2014, 09:49
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I have five guys with a save in the last week and Motte in my back pocket just waiting. I should have closers to trade soon as I build up a lead.
I'll be offering to you guys with just one closer.
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| | | 446 | GO
ID: 292502110
Mon, May 19, 2014, 13:17
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I can't wait to get my hands on Qualls!
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| | | 447 | Boldwin
ID: 134181819
Mon, May 19, 2014, 14:38
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LOL! Yeah, you do, you dog.
But seriously, and I know he's not all that, but he is the declared closer, and he does have experience closing, and he's not left-handed. He is the guy they wanted to win the job early on. No they don't win a lot...
But I'm only asking your 14/13/12 picks for my 15/14/13. And if you got left out in the musical chairs, you have an injured closer, or you want that third closer to separate yourself from the crowd you could do worse.
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| | | 448 | GO
ID: 292502110
Mon, May 19, 2014, 15:06
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I am all for the junk closer - a save is a save to me. I don't really care about the peripheral stats of a guy who pitches like 30 more IP this year.
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| | | 449 | Boldwin
ID: 134181819
Mon, May 19, 2014, 15:09
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Hey, I'm not prejudiced. I'll even trade him to you.
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| | | 450 | Boldwin
ID: 134181819
Mon, May 19, 2014, 15:15
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Ten straight scoreless outings for Qualls.
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| | | 451 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916
Mon, May 19, 2014, 18:20
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My fantasy baseball team may suck, but I was #1 in the world last week among about 100,000 players Yahoo Fantasy Golf!!
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| | | 452 | biliruben
ID: 81382416
Mon, May 19, 2014, 23:50
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Wow! Nice. Except you are admitting to a bit too much here. Spend those hours studying the ponies, or counting cards. Now that's an investment!
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| | | 453 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, May 20, 2014, 14:35
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Grats Pancho, make us gurupies proud.
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| | | 454 | GO
ID: 292502110
Tue, May 20, 2014, 14:52
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I'm gonna win the fantasy wrestling league. I've got them right where I want them. I may turn and hit Boldwin with a steel chair while I'm at it!
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| | | 455 | Boldwin
ID: 44292015
Tue, May 20, 2014, 16:30
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That Washington game last night...unbeliiiiieeeevable. No wonder Strasburg is light in the win column. You could charge his fielders with fielding indifference on almost every play! And that's with Zimmerman not back yet to add his zesty throws.
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| | | 456 | Boldwin
ID: 424532112
Wed, May 21, 2014, 14:02
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Doolittle or Qualls, both declared their teams closer...either one to trade; your 14/13/12 for my 15/14/13.
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| | | 457 | Boldwin
ID: 424532112
Wed, May 21, 2014, 16:01
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Someone make me a reasonable offer trade swap of next year picks for either Rondon, Doolittle or Qualls.
I have a lot of offers out there and someone is gonna get a closer today.
I am looking for a third round pick for Rondon giving you back a seventh rounder.
I am looking for a third round pick for Doolittle getting you a sixth rounder.
I am looking for a third round pick for Qualls getting you a fifth rounder back.
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| | | 458 | Boldwin
ID: 424532112
Wed, May 21, 2014, 17:36
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Rondon unclear on the concept of 'showcasing'.
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| | | 459 | C1-NRB
ID: 134402116
Wed, May 21, 2014, 17:43
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Were we discussing using "Quality Starts" instead of wins in this league? Here's Jeff Samardzija's line so far this year:
Starts: 10 IP: 68 K: 54 WHIP: 1.06 ERA: 1.46
Losses: 4
Quality Starts: NINE
Wins: 0-fer, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, EMPTY SET, AUGHT, NOUGHT, NADA, NIL
Those are middle relief, set-up specialist, end-of-the-season numbers. Loving the ratios, hating the count for a Starting Pitcher.
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| | | 460 | Tree
ID: 521101115
Wed, May 21, 2014, 17:57
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Since you asked for input.
I laughed when you offered a 5th rounder and a guy with 5 saves to a 13th place team, offering in return a 5th rounder.
I couldn't stop laughing when you cancelled that deal, and then offered a 7th rounder.
Remind me why a guy with 5 saves is worth a third rounder? Especially from a team not likely to contend this season.
Seriously. I'm curious as to the logic, and you invited discussion.
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| | | 461 | Boldwin
ID: 424532112
Wed, May 21, 2014, 18:24
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I don't know who's given up or not. Unless I hear otherwise I assume this early, that everyone intends to win/place high.
I assume everyone would like two closers. At least. If not I'd expect they would have been selling the one useless closer they had.
There isn't any reason those three can't total 20 saves this season. That's not insignificant. That would mean 6 extra points to a lotta guys. What would you pay for a batter who could raise you 6 points in HR?
I don't think dropping down 40 picks and no other cost is all that draconian a price.
Today we'll either see if 6 points in saves is worth anything or if the lower half of the saves rankings are paying attention to this league.
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| | | 462 | C1-NRB
ID: 134402116
Wed, May 21, 2014, 18:31
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I'm trying to get in on this, but keep getting a message that you have too many trades pending.
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| | | 463 | Boldwin
ID: 424532112
Wed, May 21, 2014, 18:35
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Interesting. Which deal do you want and I'll clear the rest.
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| | | 464 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Wed, May 21, 2014, 19:53
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giving up or not, i find a third round pick for a marginal closer (and that's being generous) to be an incredibly high asking price.
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| | | 465 | Boldwin
ID: 424532112
Wed, May 21, 2014, 20:01
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Tree
In what statement I ever offered did you not find great hilarity?
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| | | 466 | Boldwin
ID: 25441225
Thu, May 22, 2014, 09:15
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You know that if I was trying to pry a named closer away from this league he'd suddenly become valuable.
Seriously, no one is willing to trade away even a little position in next year's draft for a closer with the job?
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| | | 467 | GO
ID: 292502110
Thu, May 22, 2014, 10:24
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Put your bets down on if Rondon, Qualls or Doolittle will be closer by seasons end... I say UNDER 1.5 will remain the position til then. Just can't trust these volatile positions.
I will just go get whatever free closer comes along this year soon enough.
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| | | 468 | GO
ID: 292502110
Thu, May 22, 2014, 10:25
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Although if someone has a guy who had his job for more than a week I'd move approx a 5th-7th rounder for it.
Also searching for a catcher.
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| | | 469 | Boldwin
ID: 25441225
Thu, May 22, 2014, 10:59
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Rondon traded to Duststorm Troopers / C1.
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| | | 470 | Boldwin
ID: 25441225
Thu, May 22, 2014, 11:11
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GO
Ordinarily I'd agree with you and I'd feel pretty shakey with Qualls and Doolittle.
It just seems to me that no one else in Houston wants the job, Houston wanted Qualls to win the job all along and he's been unusually strong for ten, eleven outings. I think he keeps it. How many opportunities he gets...IDK, but all these shakey closers have been giving me 2 every 10 days at least lately.
Qualls is not a high quality pitcher but he's steadier than whatever else they've got. He may keep it just based on composure alone.
Doolittle is a really high quality pitcher. Oakland is looking outstanding. That team really doesn't wanna go with a lefty closer. But I feel the results are going to be so good they stick with it. Maybe the fact that he's a lefty means he has no leash if he ever falters tho. I'll grant you that distinct possibility.
I can see him being an outstanding closer tho. If he gives me 30 I won't be surprised.
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| | | 471 | Boldwin
ID: 25441225
Thu, May 22, 2014, 11:18
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That said, I would much rather have kept Rondon of the three. He feels real strong.
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| | | 472 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Thu, May 22, 2014, 11:58
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Hmm, did i say something like the whole season comes down to who can get the closer pick ups. I dont know....maybe I should scroll up and check.
Waiting for you neanderthals to evolve. Pick ups through waiver wires only. Should we vote? hehe
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| | | 473 | C1-NRB
ID: 444402211
Thu, May 22, 2014, 12:40
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Rondon traded to Duststorm Troopers / C1.
Yeah, yeah, there's a sucker born every minute.
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| | | 474 | Boldwin
ID: 25441225
Thu, May 22, 2014, 14:27
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I gave him up cheap. Sheesh. I would never have traded him if we had enuff bench slots.
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| | | 475 | C1-NRB
ID: 444402211
Thu, May 22, 2014, 15:31
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That was directed to everyone else. If I didn't want to do the deal I wouldn't have proposed it.
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| | | 476 | Boldwin
ID: 25441225
Thu, May 22, 2014, 15:39
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That was my eternal complaint over our ridiculously short bench. Not directed at you, C1.
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| | | 477 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Thu, May 22, 2014, 15:43
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there are less than a dozen closers i'd trust enough to trade for. Rondon isn't one of them.
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| | | 478 | Boldwin
ID: 25441225
Thu, May 22, 2014, 20:52
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And those pitchers are all gone by the second round of the draft. We are talking about pitchers we shuffle thru later. Those cheaper saves count the same as the Kimbrel saves.
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| | | 479 | Boldwin
ID: 25441225
Thu, May 22, 2014, 20:55
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Try getting some of those Kimbrel saves for a mere 40 pick drop in the draft.
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| | | 480 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916
Thu, May 22, 2014, 23:31
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Nice outing for Chris Sale fresh off the DL. 6 shutout innings, 0.00 ERA, 0.17 WHIP. 10 Ks.
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| | | 481 | Boldwin
ID: 164262222
Fri, May 23, 2014, 09:43
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In the last two weeks I have gotten the same number of saves from Qualls/Doolittle as I did from Reed/Frieri.
Interesting. I would amend the well known phrase, 'Don't pay for saves' to read 'Don't overpay for saves'.
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| | | 482 | Boldwin
ID: 344262313
Fri, May 23, 2014, 17:48
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Bench slots, this short bench is still killing me, especially with all my guys finally coming off the DL.
I'm looking to move Qualls for a pick in next year's draft. Asking little more than a bag of peanuts. Throw me a suggestion.
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| | | 483 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, May 23, 2014, 17:51
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My suggestion: Pick ups through waiver wires only.
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| | | 484 | Boldwin
ID: 39416249
Sat, May 24, 2014, 10:55
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For your information, Bean, all the closers I have picked up weren't closing when I picked them up and a waiver wire delay wouldn't have helped anyone get them.
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| | | 485 | Boldwin
ID: 39416249
Sat, May 24, 2014, 11:06
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Qualls to you: Your 11th pick for my 14. Almost nuthin'. You won't even miss it.
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| | | 486 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, May 24, 2014, 12:43
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484 Awesome, you might be better at this than you appear
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| | | 487 | Boldwin
ID: 39416249
Sat, May 24, 2014, 13:32
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The ugly truth is that I was the beneficiary of an indispensable blessing in this here league of the impossibly short bench...
I had enuff injured players to maneuver early on.
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| | | 488 | Boldwin
ID: 35492810
Wed, May 28, 2014, 11:19
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Wow, blockbuster trade.
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| | | 489 | GO
ID: 292502110
Wed, May 28, 2014, 12:57
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For me I'm giving up on a long term keeper in Verlander to fill some major holes going for a title this year.
I don't see me being able to keep anyone that I acquired which means they are all available for rental style upgrade trades.
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| | | 490 | Bobo
ID: 314432813
Wed, May 28, 2014, 14:43
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And I believe, despite outings and stats (thus far) to the contrary, that JV still has "it" and I see him being the anchor to my SP staff for the next 4-6 more seasons.
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| | | 491 | Boldwin
ID: 14532818
Wed, May 28, 2014, 19:53
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It is not easy prying away a pitcher with that reputation. Gratz, Bobo! I'm liking your side of the trade better but it's a nice fair trade.
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| | | 492 | GO
ID: 292502110
Thu, May 29, 2014, 10:19
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Well certainly my side is only good for 3 months... then I'll wish I had Verlander.
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| | | 493 | GO
ID: 292502110
Fri, May 30, 2014, 09:22
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Trade made Wednesday morning... still sitting there and not processed... so do we have it set at a 4 day review which means we don't get new players for 5 whole days? Seems a bit much.
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| | | 494 | Boldwin
ID: 55415309
Fri, May 30, 2014, 10:17
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GO
That was my experience with the Rondon trade.
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I am looking to move either Dan Haren:Dan Haren surrendered three earned runs over six innings in Thursday's no-decision loss to the Pirates.
Advice: The veteran right-hander coughed up eight hits but didn't walk a batter. Haren has posted quality starts in seven of his last eight outings. He's not blowing anybody away, but Haren doesn't make many mistakes and has walked only 11 hitters all year. Coming off a 4.67 ERA with the Nationals last season, Haren is 5-3 with a 3.28 ERA and 1.25 WHIP. He squares off with the White Sox in Los Angeles next time around.
7 hours ago Rotoworld
He always puts together an superb half year every year...hasn't quite started it this year but he could break out at any time. - B Or Qualls:Chad Qualls now has an 11.1-inning scoreless streak of his own and the closer gig. Moving one of them just to make room on my bench...argh...I like them both but Ryan Zimmerman is coming off the DL one of these weeks soon.
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| | | 495 | Boldwin
ID: 55415309
Fri, May 30, 2014, 11:25
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Foxsports:Entering Friday, the Houston Astros feature the longest winning streak in the majors — and a rookie slugger on a home-run tear.
Thursday's 3-1 victory over the visiting Baltimore Orioles was the Astros' sixth consecutive win. The streak started with the final two games of a four-game series in Seattle and included a three-game sweep in Kansas City. No, wait: Make that a clobbering of the Royals.
The Astros certainly earned their status as a punch line, losing 100-plus games in three consecutive campaigns. Before this season, the Astros had lost more games in the last three years than 15 different teams had lost in the last four.
Between 2011-'13, the Astros were last in the majors in WAR, by an awful lot. They came in at 34; next-worst were the Twins at 56. This confirms that those Astros were a disaster. You might have some quibbles with the WAR formula, but it's not like it really missed on the Astros’ calculations.
In the opening month of the 2014 season, the Astros were again last in the majors in WAR. They came in at -0.4; next-worst were the Pirates at 1.3. The Astros were 9-19 in April 9-19. That's what bad teams do, losing twice as much as they win.
But it isn't April anymore. Houston is a good example of "April showers bringing May flowers." Here are the top five teams in WAR for May:
1. Blue Jays: 9.9
2. Angels: 8.6
3. Tigers: 7.5
4 (tie). ASTROS: 7.2
4 (tie). Yankees: 7.2
Right there, tied for fourth, are the Astros, behind some of the best and hottest teams in the league. Because of the way the Astros started, they still look like a mess of a team in the standings, but they've been playing competitive baseball for weeks, meaning the AL West might not have a single pushover. *cough...whose closer is available for a bag of peanuts...cough*
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| | | 496 | WG
ID: 59552022
Sat, May 31, 2014, 12:00
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Ok that I added Khris Davis? Looks like he got his 300th AB on May 23.
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| | | 497 | Boldwin
ID: 25458316
Sat, May 31, 2014, 13:25
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My understanding is that 7 days later he is available.
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| | | 498 | WG
ID: 64313115
Sat, May 31, 2014, 16:31
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as was mine
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| | | 499 | Anthony
ID: 2854320
Tue, Jun 03, 2014, 21:05
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Xander likes being on Choppers Red Sox. 2nd AB after the trade was processed was a Home Run. Shame he couldn't be in my lineup until tomorrow.
It's obvious I'm looking to the future with my team struggling, and as such, I will entertain offers for certain players who may be helpful to contending teams this year.
I'd be looking for picks or 'keeper calibre' hitters.
Tanaka, Freeman, Xander, Choo and possibly Street are the ones id be unlikely to move without something better in return. Happy to entertain offers on the others.
Thanks all.
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| | | 500 | Boldwin
ID: 485244
Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 11:19
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Brilliant trade offer GO.
I don't think I could handle that trade emotionally, but I have to give it some more thot as to keeper considerations and get back to you. I also think my team is much better than it's ranked atm and am playing for this year. Those are two players I never thot I had a shot at owning and haven't studied than quite as hard as I should have.
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| | | 501 | GO
ID: 344132921
Wed, Jun 04, 2014, 22:47
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Well I feel like I targeted all your weakest categories which would bring some balance to your squad.
Just getting you thinking at least.
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| | | 502 | Boldwin
ID: 485244
Thu, Jun 05, 2014, 00:28
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I'd be a lot more interested in an Encarnacion/Cargo deal.
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| | | 503 | Boldwin
ID: 42537620
Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 01:22
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Sean Doolittle:Advice: There hasn't been a better pitcher in baseball over the past five weeks, as Doolittle hasn't allowed a run in his last 16 appearances (17 1/3 innings) while posting an absolutely dominant 29/1 K/BB ratio. He looks poised to lock down the closer's job in Oakland for the foreseeable future. Saves 6/1, 6/3, 6/4... Could have been yours for a bag of peanuts.
Chad Qualls:Qualls has a tidy 2.29 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, and a 22/3 K/BB ratio in 19 2/3 innings. 4 saves since May 29. Could have been yours for a bag of peanuts.
Strange what 'expert' people think is valuable and valueless. No longer available so easy. Not even particularly interested in offers for them.
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| | | 504 | C1-NRB
ID: 3654470
Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 01:44
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Could have been yours for a bag of peanuts.
All I got was the shells...
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| | | 505 | Boldwin
ID: 50546712
Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 14:00
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Getting shelled only one time...tsk...tsk. Happens to them all, and you had yer pick.
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| | | 506 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Fri, Jun 13, 2014, 08:38
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Wheeler appears to be fair game. Correct me if I'm looking at that wrong.
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| | | 507 | Boldwin
ID: 4542138
Fri, Jun 13, 2014, 09:42
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Looks righteous, bili.
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| | | 508 | Boldwin
ID: 275491511
Sun, Jun 15, 2014, 22:28
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Yes Virginia, there is a Superman.Mike Trout also has the highest stolen-base success rate in history, min. 100 attempts
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| | | 509 | Boldwin
ID: 395291810
Wed, Jun 18, 2014, 13:30
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Yesterday pitching match-up of the day:
Oakland vs TX: Abad/Odor
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| | | 510 | Boldwin
ID: 36512213
Sun, Jun 22, 2014, 14:01
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Assuming I'm not the only one finding these tiny benches make it almost impossible to fill out all your AB's for the season, there is a twitter account called Fantasy Alarm that will tell you up to the minute who among regulars and semi-regulars is not starting today as the information becomes available. It helps.
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| | | 511 | biliruben
ID: 561162511
Mon, Jun 23, 2014, 15:07
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I looked in the past for the original source information, without success. Do the teams send or post their lineups to MLB at some set time?
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| | | 512 | biliruben
ID: 28420307
Tue, Jun 24, 2014, 07:59
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It looks like we've lost Joe's attention. Either that, or he is unaware we have DL slots.
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| | | 513 | Boldwin
ID: 85582420
Tue, Jun 24, 2014, 22:01
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bili
The announcements don't come in all at once, they trickle in all day, so I assume there is no set time to report.
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| | | 514 | Boldwin
ID: 245102511
Wed, Jun 25, 2014, 12:41
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People who know 'The Talented Mr Roto' Matthew Berry prolly have never heard this one...
His first job out of college was as personal assistant to George Carlin...yes that George Carlin!
Which may have something to do with why his ESPN podcasts are so screamingly funny. Err...funny to me at least. Too bad he's taking a sabatical from baseball podcasts and just sticking with the shorter football season commentary.
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| | | 515 | biliruben
ID: 81382416
Sun, Jun 29, 2014, 13:08
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Looking for Prince for pitching, for all those who may be starting to think about playing for next year.
Make me an offer.
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| | | 516 | C1-NRB
ID: 762328
Wed, Jul 02, 2014, 09:23
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Fun note worth noting:
I was thinking about dropping Wacha when he comes off the DL to have a little wiggle-room, thinking he was near the rookie threshold but not over it. My thinking was it would give me a roster spot for a week or so since the rule is "Call up a player within 7 days after he hits the rookie limit or he becomes a free agent."
Guess who reached exactly 125 innings pitched before he went on the DL?
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| | | 517 | Boldwin
ID: 4262113
Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 00:19
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Trade deadline August 31, 2014.
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| | | 518 | Anthony
ID: 460116
Fri, Jul 11, 2014, 07:00
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Similar to the above with Wacha, Tanaka is 4.1IP above the 125IP prospect limit. Would've been nice to be able to stash him on my prospect roster whilst he will be recovering from TJ (I know he is trying to rehab it first, but I'm tipping TJ will be in his near future).
Luckily I'm nowhere near competing ATM so happy to ride it out.
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| | | 519 | Boldwin
ID: 10632110
Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 11:03
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Eat yer hearts out. Mighty Mike Trout.
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| | | 520 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 11:38
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Damn I am in second place? When/How did that happen? I've spent the last 2.5 weeks on a foggy holiday and it was all I could do to get in and put pitchers in the lineup most days. When I was stuck in 5th for a while I thought my season was over once Votto went down.
I guess I better get back up on this horse and ride.
Now if I only had a closer.
;)
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| | | 521 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 12:02
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Anyone looking for Starting pitching?
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| | | 522 | Boldwin
ID: 16643242
Thu, Jul 24, 2014, 03:43
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Ok, I'll admit that was a quick pickup.
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| | | 523 | GO
ID: 065299
Fri, Jul 25, 2014, 11:08
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The injuries are coming fast and furious to my hitters... Bourn/Mauer acquired in the trade to fix my C and SB's both go down... then Cuddyer... then Edwin... then Gattis... then Tulo.... and now Ortiz? Oh boy.
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| | | 524 | Boldwin
ID: 596242623
Sun, Jul 27, 2014, 00:25
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I want an 11th rd pick for Feliz.
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| | | 525 | Anthony
ID: 28641273
Sun, Jul 27, 2014, 04:41
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Hughes, Nathan, Lackey, Shelby, Napoli, Alvarez all available.
I'm after picks or keeper level hitters.
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| | | 526 | WG
ID: 529211613
Sun, Jul 27, 2014, 20:07
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Looking for pop/avg at C, SS, 2B. Anyone got anyone to move?? Let me know, thanks.
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| | | 528 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Thu, Aug 07, 2014, 00:02
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confirmed.
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| | | 529 | WG
ID: 34021519
Thu, Aug 07, 2014, 00:06
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TRADE
Tree gets
Jay Bruce
Dee Gordon
Jean Segura
Lonnie Chisenhall
Jose Fernandez
Drew Smyly
Carlos Correa (P)
WG gets
Justin Upton
Jose Reyes
Matt Carpenter
Pablo Sandoval
Taijuan Walker (P)
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| | | 530 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Sun, Aug 10, 2014, 11:07
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i think both WG and i were surprised, considering the history of this league, that no one commented on what sure seems like a blockbuster trade to us.
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| | | 531 | GO
ID: 344132921
Sun, Aug 10, 2014, 12:31
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Good trade!
Maybe people are finally starting to understand how to trade in a keeper league and its just business as usual?!
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| | | 532 | Tree
ID: 48659111
Sun, Aug 10, 2014, 13:39
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And these were heavy duty negotiations. None of that "i reject this outright because we're clearly far apart."
We both made concessions. Prying Fernandez and Correa were not easy. Neither was Gordon.
I wasn't fond of destroying the entire left side of my infield, but I figure after four years of not being in contention, it was time for drastic change.
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| | | 533 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Aug 12, 2014, 14:14
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Back now, definitely a Blockbuster
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| | | 534 | biliruben
ID: 561162511
Tue, Aug 12, 2014, 14:18
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WG gave up too much, though I can understand that, if he's still trying to make a run this year. He got power and average, which he needs, but got older.
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| | | 535 | GO
ID: 065299
Wed, Aug 13, 2014, 13:42
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I'd like to move a mid round draft pick for a starting non-keeper hitter, most any position I suppose but OF would be easiest.
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| | | 536 | biliruben
ID: 561162511
Wed, Aug 13, 2014, 14:42
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I would make you an offer, except I've got your scent, and now I am a little busy hunting you down like the dog that your are.
I'll trade you a dozen Ws for a nice bat however...
;)
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| | | 537 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Wed, Aug 13, 2014, 15:02
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i'm open to all offers...
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| | | 538 | GO
ID: 065299
Wed, Aug 13, 2014, 15:07
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I still have no idea how my rag tag pitching group does what it does... and my power guys all put me out to big lead in HR/RBI before going down. Hopefully they get back in time to put my foot back on the pedal instead of treading water like I am.
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| | | 539 | GO
ID: 344132921
Wed, Aug 13, 2014, 18:35
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I don't believe Wong was eligible to be picked up til today but of course its another rule that I don't think was ever expressly defined. I assumed it was on the morning of the 8th day after a guy went over 300 AB's. But seems like a good chance to define that if it hasn't been.
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| | | 540 | biliruben
ID: 81382416
Thu, Aug 14, 2014, 10:10
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I was trying to figure out how your pitching was doing it also!
Great job, however you are managing it. As someone who as now lost all his aces...
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| | | 541 | GO
ID: 065299
Thu, Aug 14, 2014, 10:17
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Yeah Gio, Verlander and Cain turned out to not be a very good core SP.
My last 4 picks -- 12th-16th -- are the reason I'm winning. Kazmir, Tyson Ross, Melky and K-Rod.
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| | | 542 | GO
ID: 065299
Thu, Aug 14, 2014, 10:18
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and Edwin/Tulo holding down the hitting til now. David Wright has been a letdown when I needed him to be an anchor.
I guess I need to take offers on Tulo and Ryu if someone can fill in a few holes for me. A SS, an OF and more SP or closer.
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| | | 543 | GO
ID: 344132921
Sun, Aug 17, 2014, 11:03
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No explanation on #539?
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| | | 544 | PV at Echo Lake
ID: 307192411
Sun, Aug 17, 2014, 11:54
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Given Daniel Murphy's production at 2b, Wong kind of slipped out of my radar
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| | | 545 | GO
ID: 344132921
Sun, Aug 17, 2014, 12:59
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Well thats a different story - nobody seems to know when the switch is flipped and that player is a true "free agent" so to speak. A week after 300 ABs? ok.. so if Player X has 299 AB's today and crosses this afternoon - when can he be claimed by another squad? Next Sunday morning? next Monday morning?
I was planning to pick him up the morning after 7 days. But he was picked up on the 7th day after he hit 300.
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| | | 546 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Sun, Aug 17, 2014, 13:09
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Wong went over the threshold on August 5th.
he was picked up on August 12th, which was the 8th day.
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| | | 547 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sun, Aug 17, 2014, 14:26
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<539> Sorry have been busy lately, prepping two houses for sale.
1) Are you lodging a complaint?
2) Did you want to make a claim on Wong and that's why its a big deal?
May I remind you, THE GUY SUCKS!!!!
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| | | 548 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 15:52
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GO it is in the written rules that have been posted here.
After the 300 AB the owner gets 7 full days to decide if he will add him to the team, at the end of the 7th day 12 AM EST Anyone can pick him up if he is still a FA.
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| | | 549 | GO
ID: 20515299
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 20:02
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The way that rule is written I would contend that he was picked up a day early with that time line.
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| | | 550 | GO
ID: 20515299
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 20:13
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With the 1st "full" day not being till August 6th and the 7th being the end of the 12th and first eligible for pickup at 12:01 on 8/13.
It doesn't really matter to me in the grand scheme of things but I think we need to clarify it a bit.
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| | | 551 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Thu, Aug 21, 2014, 18:03
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Here is what the Constitution currently says:
Prospects may be called up in-season and can be sent back and forth to prospect list until they meet the prospect thresholds. Prospects may be called up or sent down anytime in-season or off-season prior to keeper declaration. If called up and made an MLB keeper, prospects will lose their prospect status.
If you drop them after they meet the threshold, any team is eligible to add them.
If they reach the threshold while not on the active roster you must call them up within 7 days or lose their rights
We can close the case on this issue by adding this sentence:
So, for example, if an unrostered player exceeds the threshold on a game that started on a Monday, and the current owner fails to promote him, he would become a Free Agent at 12:00:01 AM US Pacific Daylight Savings Time on the following Monday.
I'll add this to the Constitution and post it to the Yahoo Group if I dont get any objections in the next few days.
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| | | 552 | GO
ID: 065299
Tue, Aug 26, 2014, 12:15
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This is fine with me, thanks for the update Bean - think we just came across some vague language worth addressing.
So Player X goes over limit on Monday at 7 PM game.
His owner has until Sunday night at 11:59 PM to add him or the start of the following Monday he's free game.
Its really only 6 "full days" (plus the one where he went over) which is fine with me... it was that one spot where someone wrote 7 "full days" which is what didn't make sense to me on the timeline.
I like the way you have it cause it makes it really simple to remember... if your guy goes over on a Thursday -- you better add him before the next Thursday happens.
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| | | 553 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Aug 26, 2014, 13:24
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I posted the updated file to the Yahoo Group. It's there for your reference now.
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| | | 554 | WG
ID: 59552022
Sun, Aug 31, 2014, 01:41
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Trade deadline today... still looking for some pop and average. Let me know if interested in discussing a potential deal, thanks.
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| | | 555 | biliruben
ID: 28420307
Mon, Sep 01, 2014, 10:18
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I'm so desperate for Ws, I'm letting degenerate gamblers set my lineup.
Gausman is only starting on 11% of teams, but Vegas says they are favored against the hard hitting twinkies.
Wheeler, on the other hand, is starting on most teams, but I'm benching him. That's right. Because the degenerates say they are dogs.
Lets see how that works out.
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| | | 556 | biliruben
ID: 229341622
Mon, Sep 01, 2014, 17:31
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No matter how you sliced it, no Ws. ;(
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| | | 557 | C1-NRB
ID: 56837116
Mon, Sep 01, 2014, 17:38
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And for what it's worth...Gausman is still my prospect for another 7 days. He only had 122 career IP going into his start today.
Feel free to punish yourself as you see fit for the 7 K and 0.95 WHIP he got you today.
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| | | 558 | biliruben
ID: 229341622
Mon, Sep 01, 2014, 20:07
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Huh. The Yahoo page said he went up to 125.2 on August 22nd, 8 days before I picked him up. At least it did. I spent the time to do the math, but now it looks like the source has changed.
I'm thoroughly baffled. I really did check and double check to make sure it was a clean steal.
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| | | 559 | biliruben
ID: 229341622
Mon, Sep 01, 2014, 20:10
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No, it still does.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/9334/
129.2 after his last 4 inning outing on the 27th.
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| | | 560 | C1-NRB
ID: 29840120
Mon, Sep 01, 2014, 21:40
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My bad. I didn't run the numbers, so I thought his 7.1 innings today were included in his 89 IP this season since they appeared on his totals page already.
Nevermind.
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| | | 561 | biliruben
ID: 105572020
Mon, Sep 01, 2014, 22:52
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No worries. He is barely worth it, given his current so so performance.
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| | | 562 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, Sep 05, 2014, 12:08
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Tree
I'll incorporate the data you collect in your new thread into a roster file that I'll post to the Yahoo group at season's end.
We may want select a commissioner for next year, before we all move on from this season. Any volunteers?
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| | | 563 | biliruben
ID: 28420307
Fri, Sep 12, 2014, 07:20
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Well, I've hunted you down, GO. Now the much more difficult part - get ahead and stay there.
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| | | 564 | GO
ID: 065299
Fri, Sep 12, 2014, 09:54
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Oh, I don't think its gonna be that difficult, I'm pretty much out of bullets. Can't believe I made it this far.
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| | | 565 | biliruben
ID: 81382416
Fri, Sep 12, 2014, 10:17
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Heh. I am far more over-extended than you. When you are forced to rotate through marginal pitchers because you've lost your best ones, it's like russian roulette. They are bound to explode.
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| | | 566 | GO
ID: 065299
Fri, Sep 12, 2014, 10:57
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Well who is in third? cause we are both hanging off the cliff at this point.. :o
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| | | 567 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, Sep 12, 2014, 11:56
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Today, it's me, but that wont last, running out of innings.
MLB commish made my decision to drop Chris Davis so much easier today. He's all yours guys.
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| | | 568 | biliruben
ID: 28420307
Sat, Sep 20, 2014, 04:07
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Jesus. Nice day.
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| | | 569 | GO
ID: 344132921
Sat, Sep 20, 2014, 08:57
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Yeah, just great I left Ortiz on the bench last night. At least everyone else played well.
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| | | 570 | biliruben
ID: 81382416
Sat, Sep 20, 2014, 11:33
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Weird. I could swear the bottom tally showed Ortiz's numbers included - something like 15 5 16 2 - at 1 am last night.
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| | | 571 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Wed, Sep 24, 2014, 04:05
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We seem to have a two man horse race
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| | | 572 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Wed, Sep 24, 2014, 06:52
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Yeah, though I don't like my chances. I'm nearly out of starts at all my positions except catcher, and GO's bats have gotten hot. I've been benching players against tough match-ups the last few days, I'll be dead in the water offensively in a couple days. I'll have to get crazy lucky with my WW arms.
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| | | 573 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Wed, Sep 24, 2014, 07:13
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At some point during the season I had 4 pretty dominant top-tier arms in Yu, Cliff, Josh and Zach.
Now I'm down one starter - Greinke - who may start the final day of the season, but I can't take the chance and I gotta skip.
Just in case you are curious how I could manage to rack up 134 moves!
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| | | 574 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Sep 24, 2014, 12:27
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good luck down the stretch GO and bili
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| | | 575 | biliruben
ID: 561162511
Wed, Sep 24, 2014, 12:49
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Thanks, Bean. Tho as I said, I need crazy luck, not just luck!
I need everything to go right for me, and for GO to make some stupid mistakes (which he appears unable to do, for whatever reason).
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| | | 576 | GO
ID: 065299
Wed, Sep 24, 2014, 15:48
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well i missed a guy in the lineup today, got de Aza locked in and not playing... would have been Pollack who stole a bag. boo!
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| | | 577 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Fri, Sep 26, 2014, 00:04
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Jesus. 30Ks.
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| | | 578 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Fri, Sep 26, 2014, 00:06
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Strike that (ahem). 36.
And counting.
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| | | 579 | biliruben
ID: 81382416
Fri, Sep 26, 2014, 13:00
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Looking through, I'm now really not sure what will happen.
GO - I'm sure you know this given I'm assuming you have played yahoo about as long as I have, but I'm sending a whole armada of pitchers through tomorrow, which will put me significantly over the 1250 limit in one day. Since it's all in the one day I will go over the limit, Yahoo allows this.
I lost this way about a decade a go on the last day of the season (Curse you, RFS, where ever you are), when I wasn't aware of it, so I thought I'd give you a heads-up, just in case.
It looks like all the ratio cats are in play, mostly head-to-head, as well as head to head with HRs and SB. My main hope is that my fleet and free-agent rag-arms collect enough Ws and Ks to make a dent in your lead. A dubious prospect, but you never know.
Great season, either way!
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| | | 580 | GO
ID: 065299
Fri, Sep 26, 2014, 13:11
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I generally have no idea whats going on, so who knows! I am just hanging on for dear life and I'd be surprised if I have enough.
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| | | 581 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Mon, Sep 29, 2014, 03:05
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Wow tight finish.
Congrats to Ryan and Bili.
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| | | 582 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Mon, Sep 29, 2014, 04:20
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Congrats, GO!
Didn't quite have a decent enough pitching day yesterday to make it.
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| | | 583 | GO
ID: 065299
Mon, Sep 29, 2014, 08:49
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Well I did screw up Saturday with my pitching limits and threw away a K point. I became very sick this weekend and forgot all about everything. Fortunately got some SB's yesterday to seal it.
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| | | 584 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Sep 29, 2014, 10:12
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grats GO
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| | | 585 | C1-NRB
ID: 428592910
Mon, Sep 29, 2014, 11:59
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Congratulations, GO.
Sometimes the deal that doesn't get done is the one that works out.
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| | | 586 | Tree
ID: 55815821
Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 08:35
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congrats!
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| | | 587 | GO
ID: 065299
Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 11:46
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Thanks all. A few weeks into the season I put that smack talk of "Dead Last" which I just noticed... a long ride since then. It was a fairly smooth ride up to the top with Tulo, Kinsler and Edwin carrying things early and a relatively smooth and healthy ride til like mid-August. I feel like the Oakland A's. I am surprised I hung on. 1 more day and bili would have been the Royals knocking me out of it.
I traded the volatile Verlander for some more steady SP in Ryu and a top closer which I think was a game changer. Tough to give up on a top keeper, but filled some holes going for it.
Tulo goes down at the 90 game mark... and here we go - a power disappearing act. Kinsler stalls... Wright, Gattis and Mauer fall off a cliff. Edwin to the DL. Cuddyer down again and again... Melky and Ortiz the last month. SP? Cain out for the year (a godsend), Ryu and Ross go down when I need them most. It was a mess of free agent pickups like Kuechel, Kennedy etc.
Who were the band aids? The late round trade swap for Danny Santana solidified SS, as did Mookie's getting a regular job. Leonys Martin was solid late aiding in the SB fix. I was platooning all these random split guys like the A's -- Stubbs vs. LHP only at home, Blackmon at home, Leonys vs. RHP etc.
And the strength of my team came from a place I NEVER invest anything... relief pitchers. Not just K-Rod/Holland you would expect... but Wade Davis, Giles and Betances specifically gave me a combined states that Kershaw would be jealous of. Of course to use those roster slots I lost a lot of hitting games and that almost burned me. But it was enough so I guess those guys get the MVP.
Came a long way from the damn messy Australia series... hopefully nothing that early again. Although the Van Slyke HR I drafted after the fact almost became a league winning HR. I still don't get why people were good with drafting players after knowing the results and others didn't pounce on that more.
Draft MVPs? Last four rounds of the draft couldn't have gone any better.
KRod
Kazmir
Melky
Tyson Ross
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| | | 588 | biliruben
ID: 561162511
Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 12:32
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My story is I traded Prince, and my youth - Polanco and Xander, for what seemed at the time to be a pretty outside shot at the gold.
Didn't work out, but got close enough not to regret it too much. I may regret it down the road, depending on how they youngsters develop.
My bats largely stayed healthy and productive, so much so that I was close to 14s across board, but was in danger of running completely out of position starts with 4 or 5 days left in the season.
My starting arms, on the other hand, did not stay healthy at all, and that ended up costing me. Yu, Cliff and Beckett would have sealed up a few more points in Ks and Ws, and I could have likely caught GO in ERA. Such is the season.
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| | | 589 | GO
ID: 065299
Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 14:31
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It became of battle of crappy SP waiver wire luck! but we both had good enough starts to lead us there.
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| | | 590 | biliruben
ID: 561162511
Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 16:42
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Yup. Though, it being the year of the pitcher, there sure were some crappy-sweet arms out there to choose from!
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| | | 591 | GO
ID: 344132921
Sat, Oct 25, 2014, 22:41
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Kind of cool to watch the bullpen guys I rode all year of the Royals. Feel like I'm trying to hold off biliruben all over again. Lets go Royals!
Of course bili would never associate with SF, but hey.
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| | | 592 | biliruben
ID: 28420307
Sun, Oct 26, 2014, 07:50
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Yeah, I'm rooting for the Royals myself. Much to the chagrin of my SF fan in-laws.
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