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Subject: P2 Season 10 - offseason - RPI? What's that!?

Posted by: Timing - [590262414] Sat, Mar 24, 12:28

I'm looking around the league for awards and stuff so maybe I'll post some of that today. I guess whoever can do it if they get a chance. AL Cy Young is going to be a mess.

Ahhhhhh... it feels good to have the World Series trophy in the AL where it belongs.

BTW Brock, here are some stats for you from the World Series on your boy Petrick and the best catcher in the game Jason Kendall.

Petrick
5-22, 3RBI, 2Runs, 1HR, 1 Double, 2BB, 5K

Kendall
12-28, 8RBI, 5Runs, 2HR, 1 Triple, 0 BB/K

King TB
ID: 1311481612
Sat, Mar 24, 13:48

Congrats Timing. If you go back to my preseason predictions you made me look like a real prognosticator (have no clue if that's spelled right and "ain't" looking it up).

The WS Trophy does belong in the AL. Glad to see that we didn't get screwed over by the sim like we have several "fluke" seasons when the NL has actually won. It's just too bad that an inferior NL team actually got to play in the WS when the three best teams are in the AL.

This is a link to my work in progress. If anyone wants to help me with it I won't turn down any assistance.

Team Page

TB

King TB
ID: 1311481612
Sat, Mar 24, 13:50

That link didn't work.

www.geocities.com/tbraiders/index.html

Take two

King TB
ID: 1311481612
Sat, Mar 24, 13:54

Here is the correct link: TB's team

Brock
ID: 371582223
Sat, Mar 24, 22:40

Blah, blah, blah Timing. I'm back from AZ and I have plenty of smack talking to catch back up on.

I saw some decent Spring Training games. I saw the A's destroy one of the worst teams in the NL, the Padres, on Friday. Ortiz and Giambi went back-to-back in the 2nd. It was 9-0 or 9-1 after 2. Hudson pitched a hell of a game too. I sat in the first row, right behind the A's dugout. I got some damn good pics. It sucks to be back now though.

I stated earlier that Petrick isn't sh!t since Worm is now coaching him. Kendall is good but he can't be compared to Petrick. Petrick has produced year in and year out, putting up HUGE numbers. This just goes to show what happend when Worm gets a hold of a decent player.

It's comical how much jealousy their is in the AL. The facts prove that the NL West was the best division this year. We set the P2 record for wins by a division. The NL dominated the AL in interleague play. All these facts lead to the same conclusion, the NL is still the dominant league that it has always been from season 1.

Timing
ID: 62182421
Sat, Mar 24, 23:46

Get any autographs?

The best three teams in P2 are in the AL. My team was probably third on that list yet I still ran your NL representative out of town in the Series. I play in the worst division in here and STILL beat the NL in the Series. The FACTS prove all of this.

As for Petrick, you didn't trade him until week 12. You had him for 11 of the 16 weeks. If he sucked this year you had a lot more to do with it than worm did. So in a way I guess you're right that we can't compare Kendall and Petrick because since Kendall's been in the league he's been a much MUCH better player. hehehe

TBRaiders
ID: 26738619
Sun, Mar 25, 01:04

I agree with everything Timing said.

The NL Worst didn't set no dang records either. Actually, you probably did. Fewest appearances in the World Series by any division.

hehehe

Brock
ID: 371582223
Sun, Mar 25, 03:16

Lets figure it up. The NL West set the record this year for wins by a division. We have exactly 50% of the total titles that the entire AL has. Now what do you have to say about the NL Best? I see that you realized you couldn't win with a legit team TB so you had to bring one from a weak league to the merger. It will make it that much better when I continue to kick you ass!!!

No autographs. I got to the game in the top of the second and had to leave after 7 innings. The Padres/Mariners facilities in Peoria, AZ kick ass. It's a grass embankment behind the entire outfield wall and you can stand/sit there for $4.

Wammie
ID: 437541618
Sun, Mar 25, 12:28

Agreed that the Pads, M's minor league facility is pretty cool.

We also all know that the NL Best is exactly that. Sure timing won the WS title. that doesn't mean that game in and game out for the whole season they were the best team, it means that the sim favored them in the playoffs. just like the Yankees weren't the best team in baseball last year. far from it.

Wammie
ID: 437541618
Sun, Mar 25, 12:33

The one season that I am not hurt by retirements is the year that p2 ends. the commish is trying to piss me off i think.

TBRaiders
ID: 26738619
Sun, Mar 25, 14:00

Here we go again, using Brock math. Okay, the NL West has exactly the same amount of titles that my team has. That would be 2.

I have one of the best teams from top to bottom in P2 and yet I choose to bring a better team to the merger. A team that has so much depth I will "have" to trade MLB talent because I don't have room for all the players. A team that will end up making other teams better and more competitive.

I am only keeping a GSB team to hang out with you guys. The game is usually fun but it is just a game. I tell you what, I will win the WS this year just to go out with a bang. Brock, can you name which teams in P2 that have been to the WS more then once and are undefeated?

Timing, Wammie, and Worm are all bringing different teams. I saw another one of your teams in another league Brock, maybe A3 or C3. Freak log-in accident. Weak ass team in a weak ass league. You were also talking about bringing another team until you were able to rape the Dodgers and Cubs.

I walked into a strong Royals team in season one and kept it strong. It was a good league until two seasons ago. The last two seasons I have been able to get over because only 5-7 teams are drafting and there have been good minor league free agents available. Just like in P2, that team has drafted at the bottom every single year.

On a side note, that team doesn't have 100 million bucks just sitting around. It is a team that can maintain competitiveness for the 6 seasons I signed up for and then I can evaluate my commitment to GSB from that point.

Timing
ID: 62182421
Sun, Mar 25, 14:51

Are we going to do awards and stuff for the hell of it? Every team wanna nominate guys from their own team and then at the end we'll throw in other players to make a final decision.

I don't have a serious MVP candidate but these are the guys from my team. League rank if any in ().

ROY
Adam Faurot[only played 14 weeks because of injury]
avg-.280
r-42
2B-11 (3rd)
HR-8 (8th)
RBI-42
SB-13
OBP-.349
SLG-.444 (5th)

Paul Ah Yat
W-8 (T3rd)
L-2
ERA-3.26 (6th)
Inn-105 (6th)
K's-60 (T10th)

Cy Young
Brad Clontz
W-9 (T2nd)
L-2
ERA-2.80 (3rd)
S-1
Games-41[pitched in 64% of team's games]
Inn-90
K's-54

Brock
ID: 371582223
Sun, Mar 25, 18:12

TB - I did consider bringing a different team but I realized that I was too attached to my P2 team. My other team had a below average ML team but a damn good farm system. I drafted a couple of years and got 12 picks that I had rated a 1. It was one of the weakest leagues that I have seen. I chose to keep my P2 long before I made trades with the Dodgers and Cubs. It's funny how you bring those trades up because you were the one that started those type of trades. You must have a case of selective memory.

Brock
ID: 371582223
Sun, Mar 25, 18:26

I have a couple of MVP/Cy Young Candidates

Scott Hunter
.350 AVG (1st in ML)
43 Runs (5th in NL)
92 Hits (1st in ML)
9 2B
6 HR
40 RBI
.408 OBP (2nd in NL)
.452 SLG (6th in NL)

Ron Wright
.274 BA
44 Runs (4th in NL)
7 2B
18 HR (3rd in NL)
53 RBI (1st in NL)
.358 OBP
.524 SLG (3rd in NL)

Brandon Knight
6-5
3.17 ERA (3rd in NL)
139 IP (1st in ML)
93 K (1st in ML)

I have 1 ROY candidate but he was brought up half-way through the season.

Luis Tinoco
.318 BA
36 Games
148 AB
28 Runs
47 Hits
1 3B
3 HR
15 RBI
24 BB
14 K
14 SB
.413 OBP

TBRaiders
ID: 26738619
Sun, Mar 25, 20:41

I considered bidding up Hernandez. He would have been a nice addition to this years WS Champs. I suppose this "wanna be AL player" will now become one of the greatest players in P2 history now that he is a Padre.

Slocumb is the only other player I really considered bidding on, but there are a couple I would have bid on if I was keeping this team.

I can have selective memory at times and I am not going back into any trades I have made. I signed on and found that in my trade box, without any previous communication, and accepted it. He won the World Series and I am not keeping my team so where does that make a difference?

You should be happy I am not keeping team. Hernandez was one click away from 5 years 50 million at about 4pm today.

TB

Brock
ID: 371582223
Sun, Mar 25, 21:08

That would have made him one click away from 5 years 60 million at 5 pm today.

Timing
ID: 62182421
Sun, Mar 25, 21:26

Well think again cause I have a $48 million payroll and $190 million in the bank. I was going to snap that guy up no matter what but I didn't want to hear all the crap I would have taken if I'd signed him knowing I was bringing another team to the merger. Consider it a gift from me to the league. ;o)

Timing
ID: 62182421
Sun, Mar 25, 21:29

Oh yeah, if we get another season in I'll be looking forward to shutting down the NL again if I can survive the AL torture chamber. I brought up Easely and Horne which should improve my weak team average from last year. Considering how poorly some of my players played last year, they're due for an upswing this year. Especially Corey Lee and Jovino Carjaval.

Purple Pimp
ID: 372562413
Sun, Mar 25, 21:57

Anyone need any outfielders I need to get rid of 3

Brant Brown
Mark Kotsay
Kevin Grijak

If anyone needs either of these 3 decent outfielders send me a trade.

TBRaiders
ID: 26738619
Mon, Mar 26, 00:41

It was my gift too, Timing. Same with Slocumb, Newhan, Smith, Hood and anyone else deemed bid worthy. I could have paid him 100 million a year Brock and not gone bankrupt.

I am glad he went to the Padres, though, because without decent pitching he isn't a contender. After we merge, the semi-Koontz KRP The Pad's are using won't work either.

TBRaiders
ID: 26738619
Mon, Mar 26, 01:12

I just emailed this to every owner:

I did some scouting today but don't want any dang controvery about trades in this, our last season. I would like to add a stud SP and upgrade any other position on my team. My weakest areas being RP and 2B. There are some good options in free agency but I do not want to bid on players that others, who are keeping their teams, might want. I can also give up some good prospects to a team that is merging so it is a win-win situation.

I would love to give away every good player I have to all the merging teams, but that isn't my style. I will make fair trades for MLB talent. For the record, I also have some compensation players I will be adding into a trade with PP to make up for the trade last year. Eventually, I think I can give him enough good prospects until everyone agrees it was a fair trade.

I would like some input from all teams who still think it wasn't a fair trade on how many more players he deserves. I am thinking that giving him Evans, Guerrero, and Andra should just about even things up. Anyone agree or disagree?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I also have some MLB players that I would make part of three-way trades. Excess at SS, 2B and RP for sure. (I considered offering Brown to Brock for old ass Hunter just to hear him brag on Brown for a couple seasons...lol)

I won't be making any drastic moves to compromise the league integrity, but I will operate with the same philosophy I always have. The ultimate goal is to win the WS every year. I will make the trades that can benefit my team to accomplish that goal.

TB

Wammie
ID: 20039259
Mon, Mar 26, 09:06

MVP Casper
AVG .316
doubles 10
3B 4
homers 8
RBI 43
SB 11

CY Young

Gardner
wins 7 9th
ERA 3.41 7th
Innings 103 10th
BB 28
K 74 3rd

Brock
ID: 42542238
Mon, Mar 26, 09:13

I would trade Hunter for Brown but only because of the age difference. If they were the same age I wouldn't make the deal. So are we playing one more season for sure?

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 09:17

My ROY candidate is Jim Foster....he had much better numbers than Tinocco

J
ID: 50726110
Mon, Mar 26, 09:29

ROY
John Mabry
.345 (2nd in majors)
38 runs
4 HR
35 RBI
36 (5th in NL) - 26 BB-K ratio
.424 OBP (1st in majors)

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 09:40

Ditto!
ROY
John Mabry
.345 (2nd in majors)
38 runs
4 HR
35 RBI
36 (5th in NL) - 26 BB-K ratio
.424 OBP (1st in majors)

Brock
ID: 42542238
Mon, Mar 26, 09:48

Jim Foster, a ROY candidate, are you joking with us?

I have another ROY candidate to add.

Ricky Stone
1-2
3.66 ERA
15 Saves
86 IP
76 Hits
22 BB
65 K

J
ID: 50726110
Mon, Mar 26, 09:54

how the hell did he get 86 IP and 15 saves?

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 09:59

yeah, that is real impressive brock. lets see here a rooking hitting .345 with a walk to strike out ratio better than tony gwynn is a hell of a lot more impressive than a middle reliever/closer.

Brock
ID: 42542238
Mon, Mar 26, 10:09

I would probably give the nod to Mabry too. I was just posting my candidates. Pitching is MUCH harder to come by than hitting. Maybe if you would have had some better pitching, Worm, you would not have disgraced the NL the way you did.

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 10:16

i disgraced nothing brock. like you all said before the only reason i went to the world series was because everyone was trading decent ML talent for prospects. i am still the champs in the NL and until someone dethrones me that is what i am. i took timing to game 6 and lost that game by one run so it was closer than the 4-2 series you all saw.

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 10:42

Brock - You know, sometimes you make yourself look like a real jacka$$:

Foster
39G
.273 AVG
.359 OBP
.487 SLG
8 2B
8 HR
35 RBI
26 RUN

Tinocco
36G
.318 AVG
.413 OBP
1 3B
3 HR
15 RBI
28 RUN

Ummm, and why is Tinocco a ROY candidate and Foster is not?? Oh, because Tinooco is on your team and Foster is on mine? Makes perfect sense.

Dumbas$!!!!

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 10:43

P.S. Mabry is the NL ROY...I was just trying to explain to Cock why Tinocco didn't have a better year than Foster

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 10:51

damn whitey you are riled up today! must have had a rough weekend.

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 10:54

i dont know whitey, #'s dont tell the whole story sometimes. it looks like foster produced more runs and was a bigger impact in his line-up than tinocco.

Brock
ID: 42542238
Mon, Mar 26, 11:03

Worm's Bitch - The only dumbass on this forum is you. You make a fool of yourself 1 out of every 5 posts. This last one is no different. Why did you leave out the fact that Tinoco had a 24-14 BB/K ratio and he also had 14 SB? Tinoco is a leadoff batter, one of the best in the game. Foster is, well, just another batter.

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 11:10

i like what i am seeing!!! looks like another LONG day of posts!

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 11:19

Brock - No matter what I say to you, it will never change your view. That is the problem with you, you are hard-headed and you are never willing to listen to reason.

As far as embarrassing myself in every 5th post, I think everyone in P2 knows your reputation for pumping up your own players and this is just another example. You're the one that comes off as a lame-brain when you speak so highly of mediocre players just because they are on your squad. You make it seem like BB/K is one of the most important stats for a hitter. That's absolutely ridiculous....how many times do you hear somebody say "Yeah, this guy is one of the greatest hitters in baseball, you should see his BB/K ratio!!"

Sometimes I laugh at your ignorance and then other times I engage in a war of words with you just for some kicks. You are a piece of work and don't let anybody in the sanitarium tell you any different.

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 11:29

and whitey fires back!

Brock
ID: 42542238
Mon, Mar 26, 11:31

A good BB/K ratio is the sign of a good hitter. It's also a key stat for a leadoff man. I'm sure everyone else will agree.

Of all the players listed, Foster is the only one that would receive little consideration. He did have a career year, considering his ratings, but it wasn't enough for him to be considered much of a ROY candidate. There's nothing wrong with you posting him but there was no need for you to make the statement "he had much better numbers than Tinocco". It's simply not true and the facts back that.

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 11:37

Who had the higher OPS, Foster or Tinocco? Since you didn't post Tinocco's SLG% I assume ut was pretty pathetic.

Career year??? It's is rookie season, of course it's a career year! LOL

It looks like Tinocco had a better OBP while Foster had a better SLG. Tinocco had more SB and BB while Foster had more RBI, 2B and HRs. It depends on which statistics you value more. I personally think OPS, RBIs and RUNs are the best indication of a hitter's talent. You may feel that other categories are more important..

Since we won't ever agree on who's numbers were better, I guess the only way to decide is for the rest of P2 to chime in. Wow, I guess there really isn't much to talk about in the offseason.

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 11:40

foster produced more runs and looked like was a bigger impact to his team. but tinocco was a lead off man and did get on base a lot. i guess the best way is to let the others voice their opinion. if it is a tie, i will be the deciding vote since i lasted the longest in the nl last year.

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 11:43

I don't think this topic deserves a formal vote, I just wanted to see what some other people thought. It's not really that important, just something to argue about....

Brock
ID: 42542238
Mon, Mar 26, 11:43

Foster will never duplicate those numbers again. I doubt if will he ever hit higher than .240. I agree with you about OPS, Runs, RBI. I can't believe I just said that.

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 11:47

if we need a topic i can find one to talk about. i'll see if i can get san fran in here to defend his side.

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 11:47

I realize since Foster has a 420 AVG rating, he should hit around .240 for his career. That doesn't mean he won't hit a decent amount of homers and drive in a bunch of runs.

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 11:49

OT - I'm in a Full Count Baseball league and I'm setting my draft card. I was just curious who you guys think are the top 5 players in MLB from a fantasy standpoint. Currently, I have these 5 at the top of my draft:

Pedro
AROD
RJ
Helton
Griffey, Jr. (just a hunch here)

J
ID: 50726110
Mon, Mar 26, 11:52

Jim Foster

Luis Tinoco

That makes it easier to compare (IMO)

I'm about to take a look at stats and make my decision. One thing you have to (not) look at, is ratings. They don't matter. All that matters is who has better stats in Season 10. I think its a clear choice that we'd all rather have Tinoco than Foster, but in season 10, who would I rather have?

Give me a few minutes...

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 11:53

i emailed him through gsb and told him to check in here when he gets the chance. over the season in f3 i noticed something. san fran doesnt deal with too many owners. the braves he deals with a lot. he always gets top notch prospects for people he got from the northern league. if there is cash involved then a trade later san fran will get the cash back in the deal he sent to the braves. the braves NEVER answers any of my emails. the braves and san frans team always seem to log in with in 10 minutes of each other.
i know this wont happen in the merger but just wanted you all to know why san fran's team is as good as they appear to be. i know he'll have competition in this division to deal with and probalby wont reel off too many championships. if any.
worm

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 11:55

J - I agree 100% with the point you made in #47 regarding ratings vs. statistics..

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 11:56

what about sosa on your team whitey? also i would have griff ahead of a-rod. if i would have a-rod at all. and i am not saying that because he is over paid either. i am the defending champion in my fantasy league last year so i know how to manage a team. it by the way was smallworld too.
i guess sosa strikes out too much. but i would still have griff above a-rod and dont forget about ivan rodriguez he is better than a-rod too.

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 12:00

worm - The reason I have Arod as my tpo rated hitter is because I think he is going to have his best year ever in that lineup and playing in Texas. I can possibly see Arod putting up .350 BA with 40-50 HRs and 150 RBI....some sick numbers like that

I have Sosa rated pretty highly as well but I would put him at the very top.

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 12:01

dont forget they are playing in a real park now in arlington.

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 12:04

i should have finished that last post. i mean that the parks in seattle are a joke meaning the dome and their new one safeco.

J
ID: 50726110
Mon, Mar 26, 12:06

OK, I projected their #s to show 64 games played for each of em. Now that I think about it, I'll also do 162...

Name	AVG	R	2B	HR	RBI	BB	K	SB	SLG	OBP
Luis Tinoco	.318	50	0	5	27	43	25	25	.392	.413
Jim Foster	.273	43	13	13	57	33	46	7	.487	.359

Name	AVG	R	2B	HR	RBI	BB	K	SB	SLG	OBP
Luis Tinoco	.318	126	0	14	68	108	63	63	.392	.413
Jim Foster	.273	108	33	33	145	83	116	17	.487	.359

And I think I have my answer. I'd rather have the 33 homers, 108 runs, 145 RBI than the higher BA, and stolen bases.

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 12:07

worm - I'm not sure what you mean by a joke. I believe Safeco is one of the tougher parks for hitters in all of baseball. Arod voiced some complaints about the park how it was taking away some HRs from him.

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 12:08

damn j.

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 12:09

Boss still out of town, J?

;)

J
ID: 50726110
Mon, Mar 26, 12:09

yep, tomorrow things go back to normal ;(

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 12:10

they built safe co thinking about griffey and a-rod so of course they are going to be homer friendly for those two. i was looking at the diminsions and it is 331 down the left field line.

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 12:13

I'm just curious, do you know the rest of the dimensions. 331 to left doesn't seem like it's such an easy poke. Aren't there a bunch of other stadiums that are shorter down the line? I would be interested to see what the distance is to the power alleys and compared to other stadiums..

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 12:16

a little deeper but i failed to mention the home field air conditioning that is turned on to blow the ball out too! harold reynolds commented on that many times last year on baseball tonight.

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 12:18

i am in the process of looking at different stadiums now.

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 12:19

worm - check out Arod's splits last season home vs. away:

HOME (Safeco) - .272 BA, .406 OBA, .502 SLG, 13 HR, 51 RBI
AWAY - .356 BA, .433 OBA, .702 SLG, 28 HR, 81 RBI

6 games at Arlington - 11/26, 2 HR, 6 RBI, 8 RUNS

Pretty scary discrepancy between home and away, ya know?

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 12:22

nope

Worm
ID: 5524620
Mon, Mar 26, 12:28

all the others must be off to lunch. sounds like a place for me to go. i am off to see if this town has a God-forsaken Jack In The Box.

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 12:29

what is nope in answer to? Do you not see the difference in his home and away stats?

Brock
ID: 42542238
Mon, Mar 26, 13:14

I think Worm has switched from Wammie's crack to some acid. Safe Co is probably the second toughest park for hitters in the majors next to Commerica or whatever the new Tigers stadium is called.

Brock
ID: 42542238
Mon, Mar 26, 13:21

Nice stats J but projected stats are badly misleading. Over the course of 162 games, Foster's BA would likely be around .230-.240 and his homerun total wouldn't be that high because his rating is only 444. He was hot for the most part. I guarantee that Tinoco's BA would be much higher after 162 games. His run total would be up and so would his SB. I never really looked at speed as much of a factor until Timing made a few good points about it a couple of seasons ago. He got off to a slow start and the projections kill him because of it.

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 13:22

Thanks for backing me up on that one, Brock. I knew there was a reason why Arod was a mere mortal at home and a monster on the road. Between the two of you guys, I swear you drive me nuts!! I sometimes find myself questioning my own sanity when I see the actaul stats staring me right in the face (i.e. Arod's splits) and yet yourself and/or worm can still manage to make a counter-argument.

Wammie
ID: 20039259
Mon, Mar 26, 13:24

I agree that if you let the guys play for a whole 162 game season, Tinoco's number would eclipse Foster's but this season isn't over 162 games. it is over 64 games. the projected stats just help us see how much production these players contributed to their teams. putting players stats into 162 game prospectives helps decide who had a better year, because real mlb players are compared by 162 games seasons. we know what makes for a good season in 162 games, but not so much in a 64 games season.

I don't know who I would rather have had this season. Both of their numbers look pretty damn good for rookies.

J
ID: 50726110
Mon, Mar 26, 13:25

Brock, thats the problem, you've really gotta ignore their ratings. You've gotta base it purely on what they've produced.

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 13:28

Wammie - Has a point, we're only comapring these guys for this one season. If you want to compare them over their careers then that's a different story. Extrapolating out to 162 games is just making it easier to see what kind of years these 2 players had. We're not saying that Foster would have hit .275 over 162. I also don't believe that Foster double and home run numbers would drop off that much over 162 games. I think he is performing slightly better than he should with the exception of his batting average which is 30 points higher than it should be.

Wammie
ID: 20039259
Mon, Mar 26, 13:34

well, i would say foster preformed more than slightly better than he should have, but maybe he is the chris sabo, or jerome walton of ROY's. A big time one year wonder.

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 13:42

word, i take back everything i say about a-rod. i must have been still droggy from the second hand smoke wammie is producing.
GO CUBS!!!!!

Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 13:45

Worm is definitely on drugs. Not only is SafeCo one of the hardest parks in baseball to hit a homerun out of but it has no damn air conditioning. This park is an open air stadium in Seattle, why the HELL would it have air conditioning? lol

Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 13:50

About Foster and Tinoco. It looks like Foster had a better run producing year but the problem with projecting his season out is of course his ratings. The HR rating produces homer runs as a % of how many hits you have. His batting average undoubtedly would have tumbled if he'd played more games and his home run rate would have dropped as well. Like J said, we'd probably all rather have Tinoco but Foster simply put up bigger numbers this year.

Does anyone else have their own awards representatives to post? If not I guess we can start voting.

Brock
ID: 42542238
Mon, Mar 26, 13:53

I know what good stats are for 64 games or 30 games. We've been at it for 10 seasons now. We should all know what a good season is. Here's the way I look at stat projections. If he has the ratings to back his stats then a projection will be much more accurate than if you don't have the ratings to back your current stats.

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Mon, Mar 26, 13:53

Is HR and GAP production a % of the player's hits or a % of the player's At-bats???

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 13:55

actually timing i was using that line from harold reynolds who hates enron field. that park does have a.c and they do turn them on to help the homer ball in that small piece of poop place.

Brock
ID: 42542238
Mon, Mar 26, 13:59

It's a % of his hits from what I've read in past threads.

Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 14:01

Dork, have you ever BEEN to Enron Field? It's a great place to watch a ball game. For your information weak brain, nobody needs any help to hit a home run at Enron. You could probably hit a home run at Enron... that is if you weren't a scraggly 13 year old with pipe cleaners.

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 14:06

i have really had about enough of your phucing mouth timing. you are really a stupid son of a biatch. anyone who has ever watched baseball tonight knows that when they close the roof and the a.c kicks on it helps the homerball you douche phucing bag!

Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 14:09

Where are your statistics dork? Show me the facts jack... ass.

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 14:10

timing, i never said that it wasnt a good place to watch a ball game. i believe that park led all parks in the majors with homeruns. there is a reason there you moron.

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 14:11

watch baseball tonight they will tell you over and over again. i also believe dave campbell also comments on it many times over. are you really a girl timing? come on tell us.

Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 14:20

So where is your correlation between home runs and air conditioning at Enron? Hell, I thought home runs had to do with pitching, hitting, the dimensions of the park, and weather to an extent but here all the time it's the AIR CONDITIONING! Who knew!? As if every other indoor park doesn't use air conditioning. DOH! You know what, the Astrodome had air conditioning. Would you care to explain why it was one of the best pitchers parks in baseball? Maybe after that you can figure out why Enron is one of the best homerun parks in baseball.

Instead of getting your edumacation from Baseball Tonight try going to a ball game some day.

Wammie
ID: 20039259
Mon, Mar 26, 14:28

settle, settle.

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 14:35

i am not even going to waste my time on you today phuc face. i go to about 3-5 games a year i know what i need to know about the game trust me on that one.
dont even start comparing the astro dome to enron field.
do you know anyting about wind velocity? you are trying to tell me teams that pay their players millions and millions of dollars cant get an air conditioning system to work towards the hitters advantages? what makes baseball exciting? the homerun. so trust me the texan hicks are going to do everything in their power to "make" homeruns to get people to come and watch. to get nationally televised games and to make their park comparable to coors field.
the reason why the astro dome was so pitcher friendly was because of the dimensions.
that place was huge it was also mainly why players didnt want to come play there.
any other questions maam?

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 14:40

i also believe the brother on bad news bears went yard in the astro dome when they brought the fences in.
tell me this too....who was the first person to hit the lights at enron on a home run?

Brock
ID: 42542238
Mon, Mar 26, 14:47

The answer is NOT Sammy Sosa. I know that for a fact.

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 14:49

Brock is right, it is Sammy Sosa!!!!

Brock
ID: 42542238
Mon, Mar 26, 14:51

I saw the "alleged" homerun and it did NOT hit the lights. It might have struck one of the poles supporting the light but that's it. It was about a 450 ft homerun so who really cares? It's not like it was a McGwire type homerun.

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 14:52

now i am laughing. i saw that homer many times on t.v and it did in fact hit the light pole. can anyone name the first person to land in the pool at B.O.B?

Brock
ID: 42542238
Mon, Mar 26, 14:53

It was probably some fan who was part of a group who bought the pool area for the game.

Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 14:54

You're right worm, there is a guy in the upper deck with an A/C controller that turns the "wind velocity" up when the Astros come to bat and then turns it down when the road team comes up. That might explain why the Astros hit 135 homeruns at home last year and gave up 131 homeruns at home last year. Clearly you were correct, the Astros are definitely getting the A/C to work to their hitters advantage.

Once again, your complete and utter worm like ignorance at work here.

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 14:56

i didnt say they were working towards their advantage, believe me i have the numbers right here. it took you that long to find them? i wasnt specifically saying the astros had the advantage. i said the HITTERS try and read it.
enron lead the majors in homers. it all plays a part in the facts i am stating.

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 15:01

i'll say it again....when they close the roof after the 5th or 6th inning the wind tunnels kick in due to the fact that the a.c creates them.
c-a-n y-o-u r-e-a-d t-h-a-t-?

Wammie
ID: 20039259
Mon, Mar 26, 15:02

What is the point to all of this Timing and Worm?

Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 15:03

Are you drunk? Here is a direct quote from YOU.

"you are trying to tell me teams that pay their players millions and millions of dollars cant get an air conditioning system to work towards the hitters advantages?"

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Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 15:05

yeah timing read it...."towards THE hitters advantages" i didnt say thier like you are alledging.
what part of the border did you sneak across anyway?

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Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 15:06

Actually you're wrong again. The ball carries much better when the roof is off. If I can find those stats rest assured you'll be the first to know. About the only thing you've been right about so far is the name of the park.

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Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 15:08

you know only steers and queers come from texas. not my own words but heard that on a movie once.

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Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 15:10

that ball that sosa hit into the lights was a monster shot, and i mean
monster. too bad the lights were there to phuc it up. it would have been
huge otherwise. i can't wait until some day, 20 years from now, when no
one has hit the lights since, and they realize how much of a homer that
was.

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Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 15:11

Yeah, Astros management would much rather have 266 homeruns hit in their park than have a decent home ERA. You're right, they'd much rather finish with one of the worst records in baseball than win anything as long as the road team is bringing in all those fans with their homeruns. Dude, your logic is like Barney Fife-esque.

105

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 15:12

well then if the ball carries better when the roof is open then how come more homers are hit when after roof is closed per at bat??

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Wammie
ID: 20039259
Mon, Mar 26, 15:12

Holy Sh!t, a Barney Fife reference!

107

Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 15:13

Are you sure you didn't hear it on Baseball Tonight? Dumbass...

108

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 15:14

you like that word dude dont you? you trying to say that the managers had a hand in deciding what the park was going to be like?
i think that they are getting more people in the seats now that the ball is being blown out of the park than when it wasnt. getting more games on t.v because of it too. because people like the home run. did you take any management classes so do you know how to draw customers? do you really think the 39 wins the stros had would do it? hell no.

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Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 15:16

Can you prove it worm? Where are you stats? Since you have all your stats where the hell are they?

I'll give you an opportunity to redeem yourself though worm, cause I'm a fair kind of guy. Why is the left field line at Enron short with a high wall?

110

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 15:17

lucky for you i just got called to go down to the Y to play some ball. believe me i'll think of something else for us to argue about tomorrow. after all it is the off season and you have to disagree with me over something. i'll call the texan gov. and see about plugging that hole you crawled through to get into our great country.

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Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 15:17

fair guy huh? so you like to give and recieve head?

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Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 15:19

Yeah... the fact that it's a new ballpark has nothing to do with attendance. It's all the homeruns and the horrible record last year that brought all those people in. Obviously you know your Houston sports history.

113

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 15:20

waste of my time timing. that is why you use that name isnt it? i'll just call you jose.

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Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 15:21

yeah, home runs that the higher ups "created". they know how to get people in the seats.

115

Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 15:21

I said fair guy, not gay guy. I'm sure you're quite disappointed.

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Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 15:22

lets just forget this jose. i am going up to the Y now and dont want to leave on bad terms.

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Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 15:24

hey whitey you may want to check out the griffey situation before you get him. he has a leg injury and i am not sure how severe it is yet.

118

Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 15:25

Hey dumbass, men don't crawl through holes but worms do. Go watch baseball tonight, make sure you take notes lackey.

119

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 15:27

Jose Rolando Sanchez i am done talking with you. comprende? by the way illegal aliens crawl through holes. i've seen cops.

120

Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 15:27

Hey lackey where are these stats you claim to have? Why don't you post them with a link before you run off like a little schoolgirl who's mommy is calling.

121

Worm
ID: 382402613
Mon, Mar 26, 15:31

it doesnt matter anyway. you arent smart enough to comprehend the facts i am presenting you. i am not running off like a little girl. i like to stay fit and stay in shape. you should try it sometime. i am sure not everyone would laugh at you if you attempted to play a game. i know i would keep it to myself and laugh later.

122

Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 15:36

You're not posting stats because you HAVE no stats. What a fruit loop. Run along Heidi I'm done with you.

123

King TB
ID: 1311481612
Mon, Mar 26, 16:52

Okay, I will list my ROY and MVP candidates. I am listing two possible MVPs to be added into pool to be voted on. I know the Yanks won't post and Fagget had a great year.

ROY:

John Curl
60 Games
60 Runs (1st in ML)
83 Hits (6th AL)
7 Doubles (tied 11th AL)
6 Home Runs (tied 11th AL)
31 RBI's
13 Stolen bases (Tied 10th AL)
.322 AVG (4th AL)
.384 OBP (7th AL)
.419 SLG (10th AL)
.803 OPS

MVP:
Ethan Fagget

44 Runs (tied 6th AL)
87 Hits (tied 2nd AL)
11 Doubles (tied 2nd AL)
10 Homers (tied 3rd AL)
65 RBI's (Yes, 65, 1st ML)
11 Stolen Bases
.336 AVG (2nd AL)
.419 OBP (2nd AL)
.494 SLG (1st AL)

MVP:

Randy Brown
43 Runs (7th AL)
88 Hits (tied 1st AL)
9 Doubles (tied 4th AL)
3 Triples (tied 1st AL)
7 Home Runs (tied 6th AL)
47 RBI's (4th AL)
16 Stolen Bases (tied 3rd AL)
.338 AVG (1st AL)
.421 OBP (1st AL)
.477 SLG (2nd AL)

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Brock
ID: 371582223
Mon, Mar 26, 17:10

Here are my votes:

NL MVP: Hunter
NL ROY: Mabry
NL Cy Young: Knight

AL MVP: Faggot
AL ROY: Yat
AL Cy Young: Bell

125

worm
ID: 330172519
Mon, Mar 26, 18:48

i cant stop laughing brock, you shouldnt have posted that. by the way timing. i was just stirring up controversy this afternoon. i tried to get it on the safeco thing but quickly had to change it to enron. so in the end i won! that is so funny. you fall for it every time!

126

Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 19:22

My votes

NL MVP: Ron Wright-Padres
Better production than Hunter.

NL Cy Young: Brandon Knight-Padres
As much as I hate to reward KRP, who else is there for this award!?

NL ROY: John Mabry-Mets
Runaway choice here.

AL MVP: Ethan Faggett-Yankees
Tough call on this one with Brown. They're basically even all across the board but Faggett's rbi numbers put him over the top for me.

AL Cy Young: Mike Bell-White Sox
This bunch of candidates is tight but Bell led the AL in era, k's, and innings so Bell gets my vote even with only 8 wins.

AL ROY: Paul Ah Yat-Rangers
Good starting pitching is scarce and this guy was surprisingly solid as a rook. The best starter on my staff actually.

127

Timing
ID: 62182421
Mon, Mar 26, 19:25

What did you win other than the honor of being the biggest idiot on this board? Congratulations!

128

worm
ID: 330172519
Mon, Mar 26, 19:56

no, getting into an arguement over nothing with you that made no big deal.
that is my role in gsb

129

Purple Pimp
ID: 372562413
Mon, Mar 26, 21:43

man i leave to go ball at the center and 100 posts!

130

Timing
ID: 492382621
Mon, Mar 26, 23:54

Yall make sure to check out the league site every once in a while. With the pay site gearing up soon I'm sure PP and I will be putting up stuff pretty regularly. Any ideas, gripes, comments, or whatever would be great.

http://www.geocities.com/gsbmergerleague/

131

Whitey
ID: 2543539
Tue, Mar 27, 07:36

I vote posts 79 through 122 as the most useless block of posts ever assembled in the history of P2. Anybody want to second that?

132

J
ID: 50726110
Tue, Mar 27, 08:16

Did you guys notice we have owners for the Giants, Royals, White Sox & Mariners now?

133

Wammie
ID: 20039259
Tue, Mar 27, 08:45

this is my website address for the merger league. I think i have posted it a few times, but PP must have missed it. i have not done much work to it, but it is there.

http://www.wammie.freeservers.com

134

Brock
ID: 42542238
Tue, Mar 27, 08:55

I noticed that too J. Hopefully they don't screw the league up at all.

135

Worm
ID: 72592010
Tue, Mar 27, 09:19

i am glad that i was a huge part of all that non-sense. i lay in bed at night just thinking of ways to get timing to argue with me in the off season. i have a new one today so if it is boring i will bring it up.

136

Wammie
ID: 20039259
Tue, Mar 27, 09:45

The M's owner ship is getting better season by season. they had a kid who was 10 years old or something, then worm, then no owner, and now a new owner. it is getting better and better for them.

137

Worm
ID: 72592010
Tue, Mar 27, 10:56

ha!

138

Wammie
ID: 20039259
Tue, Mar 27, 12:30

I think if we had a little vote on it, every one would agree...

maybe they would say you were a step down from the kid who used to play.

139

Wammie
ID: 20039259
Tue, Mar 27, 13:01

Looks like there will be a lot of stacked teams going into the merger. the Red Sox email says what we were talking about as soon as we found out about the pay site. i am sure many teams are going to be doing this. there isn't a lot that can be done about neither i suppose.

140

Brock
ID: 42542238
Tue, Mar 27, 13:29

Agreed Wammie. He's giving up nothing and trying to get something in return.

141

Timing
ID: 492382621
Tue, Mar 27, 13:30

Isn't that the same crap that we, or I, got blasted for in here? Trading my prospects to the league to get them back after the merger? LOL I think we're joining a league full of backstabbing lying scoundrels!

142

Brock
ID: 42542238
Tue, Mar 27, 13:32

Who's the dumb ass that bid 1 year $6 million for Matt Wells when the previous amount was 5 years $5 or $5.5 million?

143

Brock
ID: 42542238
Tue, Mar 27, 13:35

It's always fun to beat up on backstabbing lying scoundrels.

144

Timing
ID: 492382621
Tue, Mar 27, 13:37

I say we rip this mofo off. Let's all submit trades for his prospects for "next to nothing" and then after we merge and he wants a prospect back we'll just get amnesia. Huh? Prospect? What are you talking about!?

145

J
ID: 50726110
Tue, Mar 27, 13:39

ummmmm, more like prospect? You've got no stinkin prospects.

Have you guys looked at his minors? There really isn't much to play with.

146

Timing
ID: 492382621
Tue, Mar 27, 13:42

J, I'll trade you Kendall, Lee, Burnett, and Clemens if you send me back Burnett and Clemens after we merge. Deal?

147

Brock
ID: 42542238
Tue, Mar 27, 13:57

Has anyone heard from the comissioner on whether or not we're going to play a full 11th season?

148

Brock
ID: 42542238
Tue, Mar 27, 14:20

I think a record may have just been set. I emailed the commish asking him if we were going to play another full season and a couple of minutes later I had this as his response:

I don't think you will get a full season in, but you will start one. We are still at least a week from the switch.

149

J
ID: 50726110
Tue, Mar 27, 14:24

ok, but I may forget and accidentally keep Clemens!!!!

150

Timing
ID: 492382621
Tue, Mar 27, 14:27

Well that's good to know.

Hey Wammie, I'm trying to link your team site but Geocities is being a pain in the ass. I'll get it up there as soon as it takes it though. Sorry about that.

151

St. Louis Psychos
ID: 537422815
Tue, Mar 27, 14:30

You know what. I wasn't lying about the trade and I wasn't going to ask for the prospect back either. But if it is a big F(*Ying deal then forget it. It was just an idea if somebody wanted Alvarez, since some of you have been submitting trades for him for a couple of seasons. I wasn't trying to rip anybody off.

152

J
ID: 50726110
Tue, Mar 27, 14:35

SLP - we know you're not trying to rip anyone off. It is a win-win situation for all of us. But do we really want to resort to that?

I'm beginning to think so. If all these teams from other leagues are bringing in stacked teams, why should we be at a dissadvantage?

I think maybe we should draft minor leaguers from teams not staying - worm, wammie, TB, Timing...

153

J
ID: 50726110
Tue, Mar 27, 14:36

I sent an email to the commish too:

I've heard that we're about a week away from the merger.

We're about to start a new season in P2, so I've got a few questions:

1) Since we're not gonna finish this season, will this season have any affect on a players' a)contract, b)MLB Years c)Years Pro, d)Age?

2) Are we gonna get an exact date so we'll know not to waste our time on the draft?

Thanks,
J

154

Timing
ID: 492382621
Tue, Mar 27, 14:45

Actually SLP, what you said is that you would trade your prospects for next to nothing and then after the merger you would expect talent in return for next to nothing. You were trying to get something for nothing.

My idea was a hell of a lot better than yours anyway. The team I traded with wouldn't have to give up a thing. They would just be sending me back players that weren't theirs to begin with.

155

Wammie
ID: 20039259
Tue, Mar 27, 14:47

The thing is, you guys want to draft from my minor leagues, why would I want to help you guys build a team in the merger league? It does me no good to give you guys all of my players. I am goign to have to compete against those players.

156

Brock
ID: 42542238
Tue, Mar 27, 14:48

J - I sent him an email right back asking him the same thing that you listed, contract, years, age. I sure as hell hope they stay the same as they are at the beginning of this season.

157

J
ID: 50726110
Tue, Mar 27, 14:49

true, but the reason you're not taking your P2 team is because you've got a better team out there. Which hurts the playing field. Its hard enough to compete in P2, but now everyone's teams are gonna be stacked. Feed us wammie! Feed us!!!

158

Brock
ID: 42542238
Tue, Mar 27, 14:50

You don't have jack sh!t anyway Wammie so shut the hell up!!!

159

Wammie
ID: 20039259
Tue, Mar 27, 14:59

I know I don't have a very good minor league, that is why I am not taking my p2 team into the merger. i have a stacked minor league system in my other other league.

I don't think I could in good conscience give brock any players though. be it minor leaguers or major leaguers!

160

Timing
ID: 492382621
Tue, Mar 27, 15:02

What if we allow yall to draft from our minors but you give 1/2 of them back to us after the merger? Sounds good to me... how about you SLP? Lol

161

Wammie
ID: 20039259
Tue, Mar 27, 15:13

We don't really need to rehash this, since we beat it to death a month back or so. I think that we all decided not to do this. Is there where people still stand even if other teams in the merger league are doing it?

Also was I wrong, or did most of the people in the merger league agree to not do this kind of stuff? I guess when we first start, we should all watch the transactions and look for fishy trades.

162

Brock
ID: 42542238
Tue, Mar 27, 15:14

Wammie you have nothing on you major or minor league teams to offer me. I checked them out and I see no potential starters other than Bluma and I don't want that old bastard anyway.

Timing - how about we draft from your minors and anybody else's minor if they are interested? You could pick a couple of guys that you wanted us to take and hold for you and then we could draft from the rest. All teams interested could participate. I'm sure this will get a negative response from other outside this league.

163

Brock
ID: 42542238
Tue, Mar 27, 15:15

What was agreed upon was that we wouldn't trade ML'ers.

164

Timing
ID: 492382621
Tue, Mar 27, 15:21

That's perfectly fine with me. I'm seeing all kinds of trades in R2 just as fishy as some of the F3 and M2 trades. If everyone else is trying to screw us with flim flam trades we might as well prepare ourselves as well.

165

Wammie
ID: 20039259
Tue, Mar 27, 15:21

Henry Rodriguez and Brett Casper are great young hitters that could play on most any team.

Mark Gardner is a solid young ace, and Randy Niles is a solid but not stellar starting pitcher. but from a team that is going to get their sh!t rocked in the merger because you have no starting pitching, I am suprised to see you not wanting to get some ML'ers.

I think the whole thing about trading players from p2, and then getting something back in a merger league is pretty low.

166

Brock
ID: 42542238
Tue, Mar 27, 15:24

That's just because you have nothing to offer and will get nothing back.

Gardner is a solid young starting pitcher. Don't ever use 'ace' and 'Gardner' in the same sentence unless you're talking about cards or there's a not.

167

Timing
ID: 492382621
Tue, Mar 27, 15:27

Wammie your Cubs are linked now. I'm having a freakin blast with this merger league page. lol I can't wait till we get this show on the road!

168

Big Poo Generator
ID: 14857812
Tue, Mar 27, 16:02

Timing - I'm just curious which R2 trades you mean? I know there was one that was obviously fishy looking, where the O's essentially gave the Red Sox 10 mil. In that case, the O's owner sent an email explaining that it was a completion of a past deal. I'm trying to keep tabs on these trades as much as I can.

169

Brock
ID: 371582223
Tue, Mar 27, 16:29

I just scored a couple of good FA's. I got home from work, logged on, placed my bids, and in less than 2 minutes it simmed. Damn I'm lucky.

170

J
ID: 50726110
Tue, Mar 27, 16:32

oh well. I got 2 good FA's too, but I was bidding on Ware & Lampley too and Brock fickin stole em!

I was checking the FA's every 5 minutes or so for the last 45 minutes!

bleh.

171

Wammie
ID: 20039259
Tue, Mar 27, 16:32

gardner has pretty damn good numbers. the only non dominating pitch is his fastball, and he seems to do alright with a below average fast ball.

172

Brock
ID: 371582223
Tue, Mar 27, 16:36

Sorry J. Ware is a pretty damn good young SS. I'm just happy that there was just a few of us bidding.

173

Purple Pimp
ID: 372562413
Tue, Mar 27, 16:44

I got a couple of guys to. I have alot 3 Outfielders I dont need anymore anyone short?

174

Timing
ID: 492382621
Tue, Mar 27, 17:05

BPG- If I recall correctly, the Orioles (non-merger team) made 4 trades on the same day, 3 of those trades were with merger teams. Now I don't know about you, but I've rarely seen a team make 4 trades in a season much less in ONE day. In addition, you picked up a guy Mckinley I think for 3 dried up prospects. They are no longer growing and though they're serviceable players I think, not exactly the kind of players you see traded for someone like Mckinley.

There were a few other trades in there that were kind of bogus but I can't remember the details. Some money changing hands like you mentioned and some other players switching teams more than once. I'll check it out again later tonight and post then.

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Timing
ID: 492382621
Tue, Mar 27, 17:28

Hey TB, that Giants owner in Y2 is a GRT usin SOB isn't he? God damn! Have you seen some of the guy she has over there? Dudes with 3 star in hr getting to 499. He has about 6 draftees with avg ratings above 490. I've been whippin up on that boy and this whole time he's been using GRT! What a friggin punk!

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Big Poo Generator
ID: 57844423
Tue, Mar 27, 18:04

Timing - I freaked out a little bit when I saw what the O's were doing too, but on closer inspection I didn't think any of the trades were really outrageous. They didn't have any superstars or great prospects to begin with, and they got some value in return for what they traded away.

The McKinley trade happened because he wouldn't re-sign with the Yanks. They approached me about the deal. They are a merger team anyway, so I didn't see a problem with it. If anyone is curious, the trade was as follows (numbers are approximate, I didn't look them up):

To Padres: Dan Mckinley, OF, age 26, 486/490/250/460

To Yankees:
Noah Hall, OF, age 29, 461/447/350/350
Rich Aurilia, SS, age 26, 481/310/410/470
Rocky Coppinger, RP, age 26, 480/310/385/465

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worm
ID: 302472719
Tue, Mar 27, 20:29

what team you bringing in bpg? and what division will you be in?

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worm
ID: 302472719
Tue, Mar 27, 20:30

quiet boards tonight

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worm
ID: 302472719
Tue, Mar 27, 20:32

Baby, If you have ever wondered, wondered, what ever became of me. I'm living on the air in cincinnatti,.....
anyone know what t.v show that is off of?

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Big Poo Generator
ID: 57844423
Tue, Mar 27, 21:15

I'm bringing my R2 Padres and sticking with the Padres in the merger. I have the Redsox in X2 also, but I'm giving them up because I've had the Padres a lot longer.

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TBRaiders
ID: 26738619
Tue, Mar 27, 21:16

WKRP in cincinatti.

Yes Timing, I knew he was using GRT. The very first season I was there he was selling prospects to the league. All turned out to be crap. I always email him first and ask if he wants to buy any of my prospects. Whoever he wants I sell to other teams.

Cheatin Bastard.

LOL

BTW, The web page looks great and I hope I can write something that "doesn't suck" I don't know what happened to my team page. I had some other info on there and the background was green, not white. Oh well, I will get some more time to work on it before the season starts.

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Timing
ID: 5103109
Tue, Mar 27, 22:11

Hey BPG, if you think that's an even trade then I look forward to trading with you. ;o)

Hey TB, when I look at your page it has a green background, two pics, and some links. Looks okay to me.

Hey worm, go dig a hole.

I still can't believe that Giants bastard has been using GRT the whole time. He hasn't won our division in a LONG time too. What a bum!

On the merger page I hope to keep it hopping with new stuff often but unfortunately Geocities has been a pain in the butt and it's been hard to update the page recently.

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worm
ID: 22582811
Wed, Mar 28, 12:00

you want to start agian with me jose? i thought i deported your punk ass. oh well. i hope this season doesnt last but a few weeks for us in p2. i really doubt i can defend my NL title.
nice call TB.

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Worm
ID: 599362923
Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 01:37

Let the good times roll!

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