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Subject: League E(lite) Season 4

  Posted by: TBRaiders - Donor [56426320] Wed, Jun 27, 01:40
New season calls for a new thread.

TB's predictions:

National League

San Diego overtakes San Fran and wins the NL West. San Fran still has a strong team and will be the wild card but BPG is done messing around.

New York looks to have a strong hold on the East. Hopefully he has figured out what to do with all that excess pitching. Yes he did, trade them to Chicago, wayward home for declining aged vets.....lol

Cubs have basically the same talent to win the Central again. Houston and Milwaukee won't make it easy.

American League

Toronto and Boston battle for the top spot in the East. If Brock posts that he is going to win it all this year he will doom himself and Bluto will win it again.

Kansas City dukes it out with the Sox. KC has shown what great pitching can do and should win their division again.

Oakland is primed and ready. Anaheim has a great team and it will be a good season for both. Oakland will have their number this year, though.


Oakland beats New York in 6 for the World Series. I told J to trade me Fogg but he just wouldn't listen. Now I gotta go win the Series.

This is my year. If you have some high priced vets and are delusional about winning the Series, save yourself some money and trade them.

TB
 
1TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Wed, Jun 27, 01:46 		I just noticed that it says Donor next to my name. Not that it matters, but I kicked in some cash before that bad boy had hit a grand. Wonder why it all of a sudden popped onto my name. Maybe it's because I was changing my name so much and had deleted my cookies.

TB
King TB
Vanilla Boogie

lol

Hey Brock, was Stone your pitcher?
 
2Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Wed, Jun 27, 07:18 		Hey J how about some rankings?

And now i got something to put up in the locker room, only wild card bound eh?
 
3J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Jun 27, 08:12 		Anyone tired of these:

Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a0007'

Out of memory: 'adGetRowsRest'

/premium/adovbs.asp, line 141

I'll try and get to doing some rankings, but I'll wait til this afternoon. Trading aint finished just yet I'm sure.
 
4J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Jun 27, 08:41 		Same schedule again......
 
5TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Wed, Jun 27, 08:53 		Yep, same schedule but hopefully next season will be the new schedule.

J, my 2B is not scheduled to play in any line-ups. I have a pitcher named Martin who isn't scheduled to pitch any games either. They are just hanging out on my MLB team, in case of injuries.

Last year I called up Martin and Berran at the end of the year, but didn't play either one. Both show 1 year MLB experience but have no stats. I emailed the commish and he said that any player who is on your roster the day the WS is simmed will receive one year MLB experience.

A glitch, but one he cannot fix right now. If I am out of the play-offs, I start making my moves for the next season. Guess I will just have to be a little more patient, grasshopper.

TB

 
6TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Wed, Jun 27, 09:01 		Forgot to add:

San Fran, you can put up all the clippings of KC spanking that booty in the World Series too. Also, I thought I read an article where Boston management was quoted as blaming it on your poor managerial skills.

I am tired of the error messages too, J. Hopefully the commish will have the entire site moved over to the new server by the end of this season. Currently, the test league is on a new server and we are working out all the bugs.


 
7axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Wed, Jun 27, 09:29 		Yo TB, you forgot to mention Zona and how they are going to make the playoffs. This team is coming up strong, we may not have a bunch of studs but i know for a fact i will beat up SD and SF!!!! I will be in the race
peace,
axp113
 
8Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Wed, Jun 27, 09:31 		I was looking for some room to put your words up but our walls are covered with pitchures of britnay spears, ana counakova and Mandy Moore. Maybe thats why my guys cant concentrate.
 
9J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Jun 27, 10:05 		I just realized that the free agent SS (Vizcaino) I signed has a better DEF2 at 2nd than my guy who's original position is 2B!!!!!

Damn Northern Leaguers!

 
10Whitey
      Sustainer
      ID: 2543539
      Wed, Jun 27, 10:22 		San Fran - nice job butchering those two names!!!!
 
11Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Wed, Jun 27, 10:51 		TB, are you saying I've just been messing around this whole time? LOL

John Gardner (RP) is still available. All ratings over 400. I'm also considering trading Rekar and Fowler (RPs).
 
12Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Wed, Jun 27, 11:13 		Brock has emailed me asking about player signings, do you guys notice anything strange about it? like the commish might have made another change.
 
13Brock
      Donor
      ID: 26328214
      Wed, Jun 27, 11:20 		TB - Stone was on my team for 4 years. I had him in P2. I traded him to SanFran last year because he wouldn't re-sign. I was hoping to get him in free agency but I didn't want to pay that much for him. I was hoping for a steal but it didn't work out.

I'll heed your advice and not make any predictions about my team. If it works, you can have my 15th round draft pick.
 
14St. Louis Psychos
      ID: 43340197
      Wed, Jun 27, 11:45 		Is anybody else having trouble with the GSB site? when I log in I cannot click on anything in the left frame and get the choices. for example if I click on coach, it does not expand to let me set my pitchers, lineup, etc.

What is going on?
 
15TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Wed, Jun 27, 11:56 		I noticed that when I tried to bid on Stone it told me that he had already agreed to a contract and wouldn't let me bid. I tried again the next day and it did let me raise the bid. I thought that was odd.

At 4 million a year he is almost a steal compared to what some of my guys have been asking for. Hopefully I can break him of the bad pitching techniques taught to him by previous management.

Brock, make it your 15th pick for next year. I have a feeling it will be a much higher pick.

LOL
 
16Brock
      Donor
      ID: 26328214
      Wed, Jun 27, 12:03 		That is weird TB. Was that on the first day of FA bidding? $4 million is a lot to pay a reliever now with the way money is so scarce. I know there are a lot of guys asking more than that but I still couldn't afford it unless he was a Clontz like guy. I'm sure under your guidance, his ERA will be on the rise, especially if he ever pitches against my Bash Brothers.
 
17J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Jun 27, 12:15 		I thought Stone was a steal too. I was bidding on him until it wouldn't let me bid anymore.

$4mil a year is very reasonable IMO
 
18Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Wed, Jun 27, 12:19 		I noticed the same thing as TB. It was Monday night after the sim, when Stone was at around 3 yrs 10 mil. When I tried to bid, it said he had already agreed to a contract. Obviously that wasn't true since he signed for 12 mil.

To me 4mil is not a lot to pay for a good reliever at all. Anybody decent will ask for at least that much to sign long-term.
 
19TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Wed, Jun 27, 12:47 		Decent is the right word. Stone isn't a stud but has good ratings. A stud reliever will want 6-8 million a year. Heck, some non-studs will want that much.

I highly doubt his ERA goes above 7.00 like it did last year. Where were you playing him at San Fran?

J, just how many pitchers were you trying to add to your team? ;)
 
20J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Jun 27, 12:50 		I started to compile the team ratings, but I'm thinking I should wait til after tonights sim.

Devil Rays only have 6 hitters
Indians & Expos have 4 starters
Diamondbacks have 9 relievers

Oh well, maybe I'll just post em today and tomorrow...depends how busy I am tomorrow.

Give me about 10 minutes...
 
21J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Jun 27, 12:51 		As many as possible!!!!!

;)
 
22J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Jun 27, 12:59 		Here goes! S.F. still on top in every category yet no rings ;)
Don't worry, I just won the League B World Series and I didn't get any rings either come to think of it!


Hitting Stats Age Average HR Gap Speed Overall
Giants 27.0 492.8 410.6 368.1 388.6 1,660.1
Cubs 30.1 484.7 343.6 325.1 366.9 1,520.2
White Sox 29.1 484.4 377.8 326.9 369.5 1,558.6
Brewers 30.7 484.1 381.8 343.2 366.3 1,575.4
Royals 30.2 480.9 384.9 340.8 348.5 1,555.1
Twins 32.3 480.8 340.4 331.9 316.2 1,469.3
Astros 29.9 480.3 351.5 358.4 357.8 1,548.0
Angels 30.3 479.9 414.0 370.5 387.3 1,651.7
Marlins 25.9 479.2 389.6 333.8 335.2 1,537.8
Devil Rays 30.8 478.7 398.0 353.3 334.8 1,564.8
A's 28.3 478.5 388.8 330.6 352.0 1,550.0
Mets 29.8 477.1 368.0 354.8 335.7 1,535.6
Yankees 30.8 477.0 365.0 357.5 393.0 1,592.5
Phillies 27.0 477.0 356.3 319.2 363.1 1,515.6
Padres 28.6 476.7 406.1 365.1 313.5 1,561.4
Pirates 28.5 476.7 331.6 303.1 365.8 1,477.2
Reds 29.0 476.3 349.8 339.8 353.4 1,519.2
Red Sox 28.5 476.1 425.1 311.6 412.0 1,624.8
Blue Jays 30.9 475.7 370.2 342.2 373.4 1,561.6
Diamondbacks 28.0 475.5 358.5 357.5 345.2 1,536.7
Expos 31.5 475.4 370.0 345.6 366.4 1,557.4
Rockies 30.3 472.8 374.5 351.3 389.8 1,588.4
Rangers 28.2 472.6 370.5 344.0 378.9 1,566.0
Tigers 30.0 470.4 347.6 343.1 327.0 1,488.1
Braves 29.6 470.1 388.1 331.0 354.4 1,543.6
Mariners 28.2 467.8 346.6 352.3 369.6 1,536.2
Dodgers 29.3 466.5 359.5 371.3 375.3 1,572.7
Orioles 25.8 466.0 363.9 361.5 353.4 1,544.8
Cardinals 29.7 462.3 369.2 363.9 341.2 1,536.6
Indians 30.6 456.4 354.4 380.2 392.8 1,583.8


Starters' Stats Age Fastball Breaking Changeup Control Overall
Giants 28.2 464.2 440.6 407.6 445.2 1,757.6
Brewers 30.0 424.6 449.4 448.8 425.4 1,748.2
Angels 30.6 468.0 410.6 425.6 440.4 1,744.6
Cubs 29.8 457.4 415.6 411.8 457.8 1,742.6
Royals 31.4 457.8 387.6 430.4 465.0 1,740.8
Padres 25.8 473.8 440.8 376.6 442.4 1,733.6
Devil Rays 28.8 461.0 424.4 399.8 445.4 1,730.6
A's 28.6 462.6 431.4 371.0 460.4 1,725.4
Blue Jays 28.0 473.8 360.2 430.4 449.2 1,713.6
White Sox 29.0 452.0 381.6 428.4 451.2 1,713.2
Astros 29.6 455.2 400.8 397.0 452.2 1,705.2
Mets 28.2 469.0 382.0 421.4 428.0 1,700.4
Expos 31.5 430.5 408.5 420.5 438.0 1,697.5
Diamondbacks 28.8 436.8 407.0 398.4 454.4 1,696.6
Red Sox 30.2 477.0 411.4 336.8 460.2 1,685.4
Indians 30.0 453.8 416.3 420.5 389.8 1,680.3
Orioles 27.6 448.6 367.0 401.8 455.8 1,673.2
Yankees 30.8 422.2 375.8 431.6 442.8 1,672.4
Rockies 31.0 473.4 428.8 409.4 359.6 1,671.2
Braves 27.0 432.0 406.4 447.4 384.6 1,670.4
Tigers 30.4 403.0 439.8 373.0 447.0 1,662.8
Reds 29.4 451.0 381.4 401.0 418.4 1,651.8
Twins 34.8 427.8 369.4 395.0 459.2 1,651.4
Marlins 26.0 457.0 351.6 395.4 444.4 1,648.4
Dodgers 30.2 435.8 373.8 406.0 430.6 1,646.2
Phillies 28.0 420.0 400.2 419.6 401.4 1,641.2
Mariners 26.6 412.0 413.8 405.2 406.6 1,637.6
Cardinals 31.2 410.0 425.8 365.2 418.8 1,619.8
Rangers 28.2 389.8 387.0 400.6 438.8 1,616.2
Pirates 25.6 392.8 398.4 381.8 422.2 1,595.2


Bullpen' Stats Age Fastball Breaking Changeup Control Overall
Giants 28.3 449.3 434.8 452.0 439.7 1,775.8
Angels 27.8 431.6 453.6 434.2 423.4 1,742.8
Cubs 29.7 456.4 413.1 393.4 437.9 1,700.9
Padres 29.9 458.0 409.3 414.1 418.7 1,700.1
Devil Rays 30.4 462.6 372.0 452.8 400.8 1,688.2
Rockies 28.8 407.4 428.6 414.6 434.4 1,685.0
Mets 30.1 450.3 385.3 413.9 426.9 1,676.3
Astros 29.0 460.7 358.8 427.7 427.0 1,674.2
Marlins 27.3 470.2 401.0 344.5 452.0 1,667.7
A's 28.5 476.6 340.6 408.3 440.9 1,666.4
Royals 29.3 416.4 424.3 394.6 428.3 1,663.6
Rangers 28.1 421.7 383.9 428.4 428.4 1,662.4
Mariners 32.1 460.6 379.3 400.4 416.4 1,656.7
Brewers 29.7 418.1 406.7 416.7 414.6 1,656.1
Diamondbacks 28.1 431.4 418.1 407.2 395.8 1,652.6
Expos 29.3 425.5 428.7 398.2 400.0 1,652.3
Indians 28.0 463.0 403.8 351.0 434.5 1,652.3
Blue Jays 29.4 397.7 411.0 383.4 451.3 1,643.4
Twins 28.7 449.8 386.0 369.8 429.2 1,634.8
Red Sox 29.5 434.8 380.5 346.5 472.2 1,634.0
White Sox 32.4 415.3 383.0 399.5 431.5 1,629.3
Phillies 27.4 446.0 407.6 387.5 380.9 1,622.0
Braves 27.3 370.5 401.7 440.0 406.3 1,618.5
Yankees 30.5 420.8 368.8 395.8 431.0 1,616.3
Orioles 25.7 432.7 350.0 394.0 435.0 1,611.7
Cardinals 28.4 419.0 431.6 322.6 428.2 1,601.4
Tigers 28.5 410.1 392.4 371.5 411.5 1,585.5
Reds 32.1 444.9 370.3 340.0 429.6 1,584.7
Dodgers 29.8 458.4 381.2 327.4 415.2 1,582.2
Pirates 27.8 388.0 357.2 361.0 428.7 1,534.8

 
23Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Wed, Jun 27, 13:27 		Its weired, where ever i had stone he got rocked for me, and its funny, because i trade him for redman who had the leagues lowest era, and then redman gets rocked. I sware that the sim just takes my worst pitchers and says they have to get rocked. Oh well, brock conner cant want a cheep contract, but he is cheep now.

Also you think money got raised or lowerd brock?
Lesher wants 5 years and 19 mil from me, and imight actually do it so it doesnt get raised next year.
 
24Brock
      Donor
      ID: 26328214
      Wed, Jun 27, 14:15 		I'm not sure what happened. I just know that some guys only want around $1 million a year now for long-term deals. I just saw that a player on Pittsburgh's team signed a 4 year deal for $5 million. He was a 490 AVG 480 SPD 2B that had 3 yrs MLB exp. All my guys like that want a sh!tload more than that. The bad thing is, everyone that wanted a high contract before, still wants one. I don't think you need to worry about contracts going back up. If anything, they'll come down.
 
25Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Wed, Jun 27, 14:16 		sweet, maybe now i can keep some of my guys.
 
26Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Wed, Jun 27, 14:38 		What do you want to bet the commish will say he didn't change anything.
 
27Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Wed, Jun 27, 14:38 		I don't think anything has changed with the contracts. That guy on pittsburgh has 2 ratings below 300. I think that's why he signed for so little. Guys like that have always been very cheap to sign. I've got Dave Krause (Feramisco clone) at 1.4 mil per year and his ratings are comparable to pittsburgh's guy.
 
28J
      Sustainer
      ID: 34451212
      Thu, Jun 28, 00:45 		23 of the 30 members of this league did not vote for all stars. 21 members of this league voted for absolutly nothing. AXP - I wouldn't blame you one bit if you decided not to put any more time into this idea.

Anyways, here are season 3's allstars and award winners:
AL 1st base - Ron Wright* (BOS) & T.R. Marcinczyk (ANH)
AL 2nd Base - John Lindblad* (MIN) & Sid Mouton (TOR)
AL 3rd base - Dave Besse* (BOS) & Dave Hollins* (CHI)
AL Shortstop - Randy Brown* (ANH) & Les Bradford (TOR)
AL Catcher - Jason LaRue (TOR) & Robinson Cancel (KC)
AL Outfield - Jeff Hacker* (ANH), Brian Giles* (TOR), Al Swett (ANH), Tike Redman (BOS), Harry Asbjornson (TB), Mike Kelly (NYY)
AL Pitchers - Jeff Harris* (ANH), Glen Kiefer* (TOR), Bill Swift (ANH), Ed Penn (KC), Bob Carney (MIN), Jeff Sparks (KC)
NL 1st Base - Dick Meacham* (COL), Jim Keedy* (LA)
NL 2nd Base - George Alexander* (LA), Clay Snellgrove (ARZ)
NL 3rd Basemen - Bobby Smith* (SF), James Blair (COL)
NL Shortstop - Nomar Garciaparra (SF), Mark DeRosa (NYM)
NL Catcher - Sammy Mussina* (NYM), Forrest Matos (STL)
NL Outfield - Rudy Rayford* (FLA), John Mabry* (NYM), Bob Abreu (SD), Jose Rudolph (SD), Brandon Pernell (SF), Roy May (SF)
NL Pitchers - Brian Carmody* (MIL), Dewey Sullivan* (SF), Bill Olsen (MIL), Sam Wood (SD), Ben Tucker (CHI), Russ Fortugno (NYM)

AL ROY - Abraham Nunez (CHI)
AL MVP - Ron Wright (BOS)
AL CY - Glen Kiefer (TOR)

NL ROY - Jose Rudolph (SD)
NL MVP - Bobby Smith (SF)
NL CY - Brain Carmody (MIL)

* - Unanimous selection.
 
29skinneej
      Sustainer
      ID: 159241222
      Thu, Jun 28, 02:12 		Sorry, I didn't get in my vote. I tried downloading the program and running it here at work, but every time I tried to run it I got errors. I would have tried it at home, but I've been spending so much time here instead of at home that when I do get home I basically only sleep and rarely log on except to check in. If I can only hold on until they cut us back to 50 hour weeks. =(
 
30Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Thu, Jun 28, 07:58 		If you guys checked out league B's webpage, you will see howthey do there votes, and I think we should do it that way, or incorperate that into axp's program.
 
31Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Thu, Jun 28, 08:21 		I am sorry, I didn't vote either. I was super busy at work, and didn't download the program @ home.
 
32TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Thu, Jun 28, 09:20 		I downloaded the program at work and it wouldn't work, was missing a file. I was on vacation too. Umm, my dog ate my lap-top.

 
33Brock
      Donor
      ID: 26328214
      Thu, Jun 28, 09:32 		You didn't have to have the program to vote. You could have at least voted for MVP and Cy Young. You two should be ashamed of yourselves.
 
34TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Thu, Jun 28, 10:11 		In all seriousness, I was on vacation and extremely busy when I got back. Everytime I tried to look at players stats the site was acting up or I was rushed for time. Then free agency hits and I am trying to get three teams set up for the following season. I figured the program would have all the top players listed and would help me out, but I couldn't get it to download at home and it wouldn't work on my computer at work. I will make sure I do it first thing at the end of this season.
 
35axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Thu, Jun 28, 10:15 		how do the vote in B? like i said in the begining just assign weighted point values for each category and the person with the most points wins the award, we can do this for all stars and for awards this way no one has to vote and it will be easier and more efficient.
 
36Brock
      Donor
      ID: 26328214
      Thu, Jun 28, 11:43 		I doubt if we can all agree on a specific weight for each category. Most people value each category differently.

I too was wondering how they vote in League B. I checked out the website but I didn't see anything on it.
 
37J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Thu, Jun 28, 11:46 		OK, I re-ran these, changed a little bit for some teams doing last minute roster adjustments yesterday...

Age Average HR Gap Speed Overall
Giants 27.0 492.8 410.6 368.1 388.6 1,660.1
White Sox 29.2 484.4 377.8 326.9 369.5 1,558.6
Brewers 30.7 484.1 381.8 343.2 366.3 1,575.4
Cubs 30.2 483.5 346.9 318.0 366.3 1,514.7
Royals 30.3 480.9 384.9 340.8 348.5 1,555.1
Astros 30.0 480.3 351.7 358.6 357.8 1,548.3
Angels 30.3 479.9 414.0 370.5 387.3 1,651.7
Marlins 26.1 479.4 389.6 333.8 335.2 1,538.0
Twins 31.1 478.8 341.9 324.9 316.6 1,462.3
A's 28.5 478.5 388.8 330.6 352.0 1,550.0
Mets 29.8 477.1 368.0 354.8 335.7 1,535.6
Yankees 30.8 477.0 365.0 357.5 393.0 1,592.5
Phillies 27.0 477.0 356.3 319.2 363.1 1,515.6
Padres 28.6 476.7 406.1 365.3 313.5 1,561.5
Pirates 28.6 476.4 331.4 302.9 365.8 1,476.6
Reds 29.1 476.3 349.8 339.8 353.4 1,519.2
Red Sox 28.5 476.1 425.1 311.6 412.0 1,624.8
Blue Jays 30.9 475.7 359.5 348.5 368.7 1,552.4
Diamondbacks 28.0 475.5 358.5 357.5 345.2 1,536.7
Expos 31.6 475.1 369.8 345.5 366.4 1,556.7
Rangers 28.2 472.9 370.5 344.0 378.9 1,566.3
Rockies 30.4 472.8 374.5 351.3 389.8 1,588.4
Tigers 29.7 470.7 345.2 333.3 338.2 1,487.4
Braves 29.6 470.1 388.1 331.0 354.4 1,543.6
Mariners 28.5 469.9 338.4 363.3 394.1 1,565.6
Dodgers 29.3 466.5 359.5 371.3 375.3 1,572.7
Orioles 25.8 466.2 363.9 361.7 353.4 1,545.2
Cardinals 29.7 461.8 376.8 355.7 329.5 1,523.8
Devil Rays 29.7 458.0 382.0 348.9 333.8 1,522.7
Indians 30.6 456.4 354.6 380.4 392.8 1,584.2


Age Fastball Breaking Changeup Control Overall
Giants 28.2 464.2 440.6 408.4 445.4 1,758.6
Brewers 30.0 424.6 449.4 448.8 425.4 1,748.2
Angels 30.6 468.0 410.6 425.6 440.4 1,744.6
Cubs 29.8 457.4 415.6 411.8 457.8 1,742.6
Royals 31.4 457.8 387.6 430.4 465.0 1,740.8
Padres 25.8 473.8 441.6 376.6 442.4 1,734.4
Devil Rays 28.8 461.0 424.4 400.6 445.4 1,731.4
A's 28.6 462.6 431.8 371.0 460.4 1,725.8
Blue Jays 28.0 473.8 360.6 431.2 450.0 1,715.6
White Sox 29.0 452.0 381.6 428.4 451.2 1,713.2
Astros 29.6 455.2 400.8 397.0 452.2 1,705.2
Expos 31.2 440.2 421.0 401.4 441.4 1,704.0
Mets 28.2 469.0 382.0 421.4 428.0 1,700.4
Diamondbacks 28.8 436.8 407.0 398.4 454.4 1,696.6
Red Sox 30.4 477.0 410.8 336.4 459.6 1,683.8
Tigers 30.4 435.6 407.0 393.2 439.2 1,675.0
Yankees 30.8 422.2 375.8 431.6 442.8 1,672.4
Rockies 31.0 473.4 428.8 409.4 359.6 1,671.2
Braves 27.2 432.0 406.8 447.4 384.6 1,670.8
Indians 30.2 452.4 425.8 411.0 376.0 1,665.2
Orioles 26.8 443.8 358.6 410.8 443.6 1,656.8
Reds 29.4 451.0 381.4 401.0 418.4 1,651.8
Twins 34.8 427.8 369.4 395.0 459.2 1,651.4
Marlins 26.0 457.0 351.6 395.4 444.4 1,648.4
Mariners 28.8 445.6 400.8 406.8 393.2 1,646.4
Dodgers 30.2 435.8 373.8 406.0 430.6 1,646.2
Phillies 28.4 420.0 400.2 420.8 401.4 1,642.4
Cardinals 31.2 410.0 425.8 365.2 418.8 1,619.8
Rangers 28.4 389.8 387.0 400.6 438.8 1,616.2
Pirates 25.6 392.8 398.4 381.8 422.2 1,595.2


Age Fastball Breaking Changeup Control Overall
Giants 28.3 449.3 434.8 452.0 439.7 1,775.8
Angels 28.3 430.5 454.2 428.5 417.8 1,731.0
Cubs 29.9 456.4 413.1 393.4 437.9 1,700.9
Padres 30.0 458.0 409.3 414.3 418.7 1,700.3
Devil Rays 30.4 462.6 372.0 452.8 400.8 1,688.2
Rockies 28.8 407.4 428.6 414.6 434.4 1,685.0
Mets 30.1 450.3 385.3 413.9 426.9 1,676.3
Astros 29.2 460.7 358.8 427.7 427.0 1,674.2
Marlins 27.3 470.2 401.0 344.5 452.0 1,667.7
A's 28.5 476.6 340.6 408.3 440.9 1,666.4
Royals 29.3 416.4 424.3 394.6 428.3 1,663.6
Rangers 28.3 421.7 383.9 428.4 428.4 1,662.4
Brewers 29.7 418.1 406.7 416.7 414.6 1,656.1
Indians 28.4 469.0 398.6 367.2 420.0 1,654.8
Expos 29.3 425.5 428.7 398.2 400.3 1,652.7
Diamondbacks 28.0 428.5 416.1 407.4 400.6 1,652.6
Mariners 30.6 436.6 388.6 399.3 426.0 1,650.4
Blue Jays 29.4 397.7 411.0 383.4 451.3 1,643.4
Twins 29.6 455.2 394.6 346.6 441.2 1,637.6
Red Sox 29.8 434.8 380.5 346.5 472.3 1,634.2
Orioles 26.2 443.8 343.8 392.4 453.8 1,633.8
White Sox 32.4 415.3 383.0 399.5 431.1 1,628.9
Phillies 27.4 446.0 407.6 387.5 380.9 1,622.0
Braves 27.3 370.5 401.7 440.0 406.3 1,618.5
Yankees 30.5 420.8 368.8 395.8 431.0 1,616.3
Cardinals 28.0 406.6 422.6 348.4 431.4 1,609.0
Reds 32.1 444.9 370.3 340.0 429.6 1,584.7
Dodgers 29.8 458.4 381.2 327.4 415.2 1,582.2
Tigers 28.5 389.8 412.9 358.9 416.4 1,577.9
Pirates 27.8 388.0 357.2 361.0 428.8 1,535.0

 
38axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Thu, Jun 28, 12:32 		well if we can all agree on a weight for each category we could come up with a formula that could work, once we have a forumla it would only take a few minutes to get the top players
 
39Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Thu, Jun 28, 12:42 		The formula I would use would be to just take the top 2 in OPS at each position, among players who played at least 130 games or something. That's pretty much how I usually vote for all-stars. But Brock is probably right, it would be hard to get everyone to agree on the formula.
 
40Sanfran
      ID: 16554289
      Thu, Jun 28, 12:50 		Can anyone get in right now?
 
41Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Thu, Jun 28, 12:51 		I would include RBI somewhere in that formula as well. also there are some other cats, for some players SB should be included.
 
42Sanfran
      ID: 16554289
      Thu, Jun 28, 13:02 		League B makes a page on there team site where all the players listed for an award are listed on the webpage, with a drop down box next to there names. You then rank them 1 2 3 in how you would vote for them. Since all players are listed and all you have to do is rank them and submit it takes all of 2 minutes to vote.
 
43Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Thu, Jun 28, 13:21 		what i would like in the voting software, is the stats and who you vote for on the same page. just more bells and whistles. might be feature creap though.
 
44Brock
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      ID: 26328214
      Thu, Jun 28, 14:01 		I basically do the same thing BPG in regards to OPS. I also factor in Runs, RBI, and SB. That's it. Those are the only 4 categories that need to be considered as far as I'm concerned. All the other important categories are figured into the OPS.
 
45axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Thu, Jun 28, 14:05 		ok, lets try to use a formula this year, see how it works. lets collaborate and make up a formula. Obviously voting is not working and we need to try something different. Lets try it this year and see what happens. Can we do this. I agree that OPS runs, rbi and SB are the main categories for hitters, what about pitchrs, era, k's, win%, whip
 
46MattG
      ID: 515461320
      Thu, Jun 28, 14:16 		Geoff Geary Starts off 2-0 with an ERA of 0 and a WHIP of .63 Not bad for my #3 starter. I lost my 2 best of's in the first week. Paul Eddy went out for 5 weeks, and Glenn Sullivan is down for 2. I have some depth so I was able to pull up a few guys to try them out. If they are decent I will be offering up some Veteran OF's actually i already sent out an email about one of them.
 
47Sanfran
      ID: 16554289
      Thu, Jun 28, 14:28 		I like what brock said, we can come up with a formula and then run it on our previous winners and see if they would have won before ans use this as a good judge.
 
48Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Thu, Jun 28, 15:02 		If we use a formula, I think it should just be for all-stars. We should still vote for the major awards. More people will probably vote if there are fewer things to vote for.

How about this for a formula:

OPS * games played

+

.25 * RBI

+

.25 * runs

+

.1 * SB

The only other thing we might consider including would be errors.
 
49Purple Pimp
      ID: 393341822
      Thu, Jun 28, 15:06 		J hood doesnt play for me.. my team avg is 486 :)
 
50Sanfran
      ID: 16554289
      Thu, Jun 28, 15:18 		BPG - I like that formula, i ran it on the 4 previous MVP's and here are there numbers....

Bradford - 204.638
Swett - 200.7
Smith - 192.41
Smith - 224.754

not bad, and i agree we only use it for all stars, and we vote on MVP, CY-Young and Roy
 
51Brock
      Donor
      ID: 26328214
      Thu, Jun 28, 16:28 		I think the formula needs tweaking. The OPS * games played could be misleading. If a player had a .600 OPS, played in 162 games and had the same number of RBI, Runs, and SB as a guy with a .900 OPS who had only played in 110 game, they would be considered equal even though the guy with the .900 OPS is clearly far superior. I think we should just consider guys who played in over 100 games or something around that. That will weed out anybody with a high OPS but only, say, 50 games. How about something like this:

OPS * 70
RBI + Runs * .16
SB * .20

I figured that a good year would be .750-.800 OPS, 190 RBI+Runs, and 20 SB. Here’s how it would total up:

.750*70=52.5-56.0
190*.16=30.4
20*.2=4

Total: 86.9-90.4

The number could change but I think we need something similar to this if we’re going to use a formula. SanFran can you run this formula on the past guys?
 
52TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Thu, Jun 28, 16:37 		Runs and RBI's are more important then stolen bases. Your formula is flawed, Brock. Granted, you have a great team of base stealers but try to be objective in your value of stolen bases.
 
53Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Thu, Jun 28, 16:44 		GSB seems offline. Hmmm...
 
54J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Thu, Jun 28, 16:55 		Top 10 ratings from last season (Using formula in Post 51)


Garciaparra, Nomar SF 54.6525
Brown, Randy ANH 50.2133
Wright, Ron BOS 49.8356
Ardell, Ben NYM 49.3327
Rayford, Rudy FLA 48.6855
Smith, Bobby SF 47.3402
Alexander, George LA 47.1318
Koelling, Ed TOR 46.9847
May, Roy SF 46.5396
Keedy, Jim LA 46.4392
Besse, Dave BOS 45.7003
Swett, Al ANH 45.4519

 
55J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Thu, Jun 28, 16:58 		I logged in, saw I went 1-8 this week (including losing 2 of 3 to worm) and bashed in my computer...causing GSB to go offline for a while. Sorry.

Also long enough to see somone in League B spent $207,750,000 on NLers. Different owner than last year's big spender at least!
 
56Brock
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      ID: 371582223
      Thu, Jun 28, 17:00 		That's not the way the formula works TB and it's not the proper comparison. A player would have to steal 152 bases to equal 190 RBI+Runs. If anything is wrong with the formula, it may be I'm not weighing SB's high enough. A great year could be 40 SB's and the total would come to 8. You can see that 190 Runs Produced comes to 30.4. That means runs produced are almost 4 times more than SB. On average it's more like 6 times more with my formula.
 
57Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Thu, Jun 28, 17:04 		One of your calculations is off J. I know that Wright had an OPS over .900. That would be 63 alone.
 
58MattG
      ID: 515461320
      Thu, Jun 28, 17:35 		Ok I came up with a formula, don't ask how I just did, I used the All Time records as a BEST Possible, even though they are able to be broken, I doubt a single player will break all of them in one season. Here is my formula, Bash it as you will.
OPS * 33 = X
(RBI + RUNS) * .109 = Y
SB + ((3b * 3) + (2b * 2) + (HR * 4)) * .097 = Z

X + Y + Z = Total Score

Your Total Score would be out of around 100. I tested this on the Best Possible according to the records for a single season and came up with a 98.5 I am going to go test it on the Stats DBase that AXP provided us with for voting, i will then give you guys some totals for the MVP Candidates and such just so we can try to decide what kind of basis to use.



 
59Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Thu, Jun 28, 18:05 		I think it's better to have games played factor into the formula than to just have a cutoff of a certain number of games. I think a guy with a .900 OPS who plays 162 games should get more points than one who plays only 120, even if the other categories are equal. What if we just squared the OPS? Then a guy with a .900 OPS would only have to play about 70 games to beat a guy with a .600 OPS who played them all, under 100 games to beat a guy with a .700 OPS, and about 130 to beat a guy with an .800 OPS who played them all. Also, MattG, I'm not trying to bash your proposal because it might work, but 2B, 3B and HR are already counted in OPS. Might as well just count OPS more.

So how about this:
OPS * OPS * games played
+
(Runs + RBI + SB) * .25

 
60Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Thu, Jun 28, 18:23 		It is official, worm and i have met in Boston. Looking to play san fran in a little game of basketball.
 
61Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Thu, Jun 28, 21:00 		Sunday guys, ill e-mail you my phone number.
 
62Purple Pimp
      ID: 393341822
      Thu, Jun 28, 21:58 		Anyone got a top noch closer up for trade?
 
63Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Thu, Jun 28, 22:10 		MattG - In your calcualtion, you're factoring doubles, triples and homers into the equation twice. OPS takes into account extra base hits.

I still don't think games should be a factor. That's just my opinion though.
 
64Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Fri, Jun 29, 00:06 		Think about it this way: if two guys had the same OPS but one played 162 games and the other played 120, that means the one who played more had more hits, extra-base hits, HR, walks, etc. A .300 hitter with 32 HR is more valuable than a .300 hitter with 24 HR.
 
65Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Fri, Jun 29, 00:23 		This the first year I've been totally shut out of the NL bidding. I got outbid by 1mil for Moser, Hunt, Aude and Tray. There was a lot less NL talent than in past years.
 
66Brock
      Donor
      ID: 26328214
      Fri, Jun 29, 08:00 		I agree with post 59 on how it should be calculated. I did some examples and it seems reasonable.
 
67J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Fri, Jun 29, 10:24 		Using Matt G's here's season 3 Top 10:

Name Team Pts
Wright, Ron BOS 82.1290
Garciaparra, Nomar SF 80.7230
Rayford, Rudy FLA 79.9470
Alexander, George LA 77.9640
Smith, Bobby SF 76.8680
Giles, Brian TOR 76.7910
Swett, Al ANH 73.6240
Keedy, Jim LA 72.9600
Besse, Dave BOS 72.0310
Brown, Randy ANH 72.0160



Using BPG's (I think I did the formula correctly:

(OPS * OPS * games played) + ((Runs + RBI + SB)* .25)

Name Team
Wright, Ron BOS 208.3
Garciaparra, Nomar SF 205.5
Alexander, George LA 195.0
Rayford, Rudy FLA 194.2
Smith, Bobby SF 194.2
Keedy, Jim LA 187.7
Giles, Brian TOR 187.4
Brown, Randy ANH 183.2
Rudolph, Jose SD 182.2
May, Roy SF 180.6


 
68Sanfran
      ID: 21543298
      Fri, Jun 29, 10:47 		Yes I agree with the second formula(BPG), and it seems to work. I am also surprised Nomar didnt get any MVP votes, He had a great season and was in the top 10 in like every catogory, I am just really surprised.
 
69Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Fri, Jun 29, 11:08 		Rayford tied with Bobby Smith. Wow, imagine that.
 
70Brock
      Donor
      ID: 26328214
      Fri, Jun 29, 11:11 		I thought I voted for Nomar. Maybe I changed it at the last minute. PP, can you tell me who I voted for NL MVP?
 
71axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Fri, Jun 29, 11:14 		so would you want to use this formula to maybe narrow down the top 5 for mvp then vote on the top 5. and we can use this for all stars. Also what about pitching?
 
72axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Fri, Jun 29, 11:28 		Here are the top 5 players using the (OPS * OPS * games played) + ((Runs + RBI + SB)* .25) formula

season 1
Roy May 206.22
Bobby Smith 195.38
Bob Abreu 192.9
Les Bradford 189.93
Joe Whillock 189.74

season 2
Roy May 220.81
Bobby Smith 219.5
Keey Robinson 207.52
Tike Redman 197.03
Al Swett 193.59

season 3
Ron Wright 208.31
Nomar Garciaparra 205.53
George Alexander 195
Rudy Rayford 194.21
Bobby Smith 194.21

 
73axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Fri, Jun 29, 11:33 		For pitchers CY Young: ERA, win %, whip, K per 9 innings

Fireman: K per 9, era, saves, whip
 
74TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Fri, Jun 29, 11:47 		I loved how the Northern League turned out for my team this year. I spent 39 million on 15 players, but 28 of that was on Wambsganss(6), Tray(8),Moser(8) and Mcaleer(6). I probably could have gotten Mcaleer for half that but seems like every year I get beat out just by a little. Other then paying 3.25 million for Hassler, I got the other ten players for 1.25 million or less each.

I just scouted the Northern League again. Unless Brock gets to trade in the 12 senior citizens that he signed, there are still 12 (age 23-25) 4 star hitters available and 12 3-4 hitters available. I don't think a lot of teams particpated in bidding.

Texas got stud Gene Hunt for 7 million. I wasn't bidding on catchers this year, but that is a good deal for him. He also got Klinger at a good price.

Milwaukee got Haas and Flinn for very good prices. Montreal did the same with Werber, Dewey and Wilfong. Houston is probably happy picking up a 4-2-4 and 4-3-2 outfielder for 2.5 million total.

San Fran might have gotten two steals with Mattewson and Aude, both 25 year olds with 4-4 ratings, at 2 and 2.5 million respectively. Dailey is also a 4-4 hitter but at 26 we will have to see if he develops in time.

If Clancy Felder, turns 27 on week 6, develops in time for Florida, then he will be happy with his 3.25 million gamble.

Looking at the prices paid by everyone else, Arizona might have went a bit over, but not by much. He was able to obtain two 23 year old prospects with decent stars for 4 million.

If I was at home I would have put together a Northern League Report and submitted it for the web site.

TB

ps. If you are starting guys with less then a 460 average, you might want to scout the Northern League as well. I know I had to make some room for the new guys, so I cut a few guys into their 460's.
 
75TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Fri, Jun 29, 12:15 		Wow, I found a pitcher I had missed too. Glad I was able to get an extra 9 million today trading Buckles. ;)
 
76Brock
      Donor
      ID: 26328214
      Fri, Jun 29, 13:05 		Well I spent less than $1 million on NLers and if even 1 makes my team, it was money well spent. I got a 12 star reliever in season 2 for $100K that was 26 years old. He's at 403 394 344 397 and went up 2-2-5 yesterday. I didn't even bid on anyone under 26 this year. They cost too much and 3/4 of them aren't worth a sh!t.
 
77Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Fri, Jun 29, 13:18 		DRays just signed Grammas for almost 14mil/season. I guess if any player is worth that much, it's Grammas.
 
78Brock
      Donor
      ID: 26328214
      Fri, Jun 29, 14:10 		I think it's a crock of sh!t that contracts are just based on ratings and not performance. A 490 AVG, 200 HR, 200 GAP, 450 SPD guy is more valuable than a 490 AVG, 250 HR, 300 GAP, 450 SPD because he won't cost you as much when it comes to signing him and he will produce about the same offense.
 
79Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Fri, Jun 29, 14:26 		Coming up with a formula for pitchers is a little trickier. How about this for a very rough start:

(Wins * 10) + IP + strikeouts

divided by

ERA + WHIP + (Losses * .1)

I've tested it on a few starters and it seems OK, but could probably use tweaking. A very good score turns out to be around 100. We'd need to include saves to get a formula for relievers. Maybe add (saves * 5) to the numerator.
 
80Brock
      Donor
      ID: 26328214
      Fri, Jun 29, 14:41 		That looks like a good start(maybe finish) to a formula. Maybe somebody can run the formula for last year's pitchers and see how the results look.
 
81Sanfran
      ID: 21543298
      Fri, Jun 29, 14:42 		Ill run it on Sullivan his first CY young year because thats about the best year anyone can have
 
82Sanfran
      ID: 21543298
      Fri, Jun 29, 14:48 		I got 150.9 for Sullivans first year.

And a very good score is 100 whats 150?
 
83J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Fri, Jun 29, 14:52 		Using BPG's post 79 formula:


Name Team Pts
Carmody, Brian MIL 116.3306
Harris, Jeff ANH 106.5126
Kiefer, Glen TOR 101.2121
Sullivan, Dewey SF 101.0363
Swift, Bill ANH 99.0689
Fortugno, Russ NYM 97.5089
Olsen, Bill MIL 97.2656
Penn, Ed KC 93.1323
Doyle, Pat SF 91.4676
Carney, Bob MIN 91.3495

 
84J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Fri, Jun 29, 15:02 		With the Saves added in, the best closer's:

Name Team Pts
71. Andujar, Luis HOU 57.6737
72. Williams, Harry MIN 57.6538
80. Zerbe, Chad SD 55.5300
81. Nicholson, John LA 55.4593

 
85Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Fri, Jun 29, 15:29 		J- are you sure about those closer numbers? Zerbe didn't have a real good year and didn't save many games. If those calculations are right we may need to do some more tweaking for relievers.
 
86TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Fri, Jun 29, 15:30 		Do you think losses should have a bigger factor? What if it was:

(Wins * 10) + IP + strikeouts + (saves * 5)

divided by

ERA + WHIP + (Losses * .5)

The commish should add Complete Games and Blown Saves to the stats.
 
87J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Fri, Jun 29, 15:48 		No clue what happened with the closer's data. Must've sorted something screwy, cause 71,72,80,81 show up again!


Name Team Pts
71. Calandriello, Donato KC 57.674
72. Bello, Emerson CHC 57.654
80. Montgomery, Steve MTL 55.530
81. McElroy, Chuck NYM 55.459

 
88Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Fri, Jun 29, 15:53 		The only thing about increasing the value of losses is that, with this sort of formula, it will make ERA and WHIP much less important, and most people probably think those should be the most important stats. In the original formula, 1 run of ERA is worth 10 losses; the change would make 1 run worth only 2 losses. (Compare a 15-8, 3.50 pitcher to a 15-6, 4.50 pitcher. The first is much better. But it seems more reasonable to say that a 20-12, 3.50 pitcher had about as good a season as a 20-2, 4.50 pitcher.) Also, WHIP would be pretty much irrelevant compared to number of losses if we increase the value of losses too much.
 
89J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Fri, Jun 29, 15:54 		Wouldn't blown saves be Games-Saves?

Assuming of course he wasn't assigned to any position but closer. Which I can safely say was the case with McElroy.

TB's formula:

Name Team Pts
1 Harris, Jeff ANH 85.067
2 Fortugno, Russ NYM 80.352
3 Carmody, Brian MIL 74.356
4 Swift, Bill ANH 68.468
5 Kiefer, Glen TOR 68.163
6 Sullivan, Dewey SF 68.102
7 Carney, Bob MIN 67.866
8 Clontz, Brad ANH 67.821
9 Fogg, Josh SF 67.160
10 Hurtado, Victor COL 63.528


Closers:
Same guys, just a little "closer"...

Name Team Pts
26 Montgomery, Steve MTL 50.844
38 Calandriello, Donato KC 48.309
54 Bello, Emerson CHC 44.828
60 McElroy, Chuck NYM 43.419

 
90TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Fri, Jun 29, 16:04 		I see what you mean BPG. I was looking at it from the wins/losses perspective and didn't think what effect it had on (nullifying) WHIP.

What if we decreased wins to .8, saves to .4 and losses to .2?

That would put even more emphasis on ERA and WHIP.
 
91TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Fri, Jun 29, 16:07 		Well, I guess we are about to sim. Can't log into GSB. I was going to go in and try the formula out on my pitchers career stats.
 
92Purple Pimp
      ID: 393341822
      Fri, Jun 29, 16:09 		tb how come your not on aol im anymore?
 
93J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Fri, Jun 29, 16:15 		I think he just blocks everyone!!! ;)

I dont think I've ever seen TB on aim more than once maybe?
 
94Purple Pimp
      ID: 393341822
      Fri, Jun 29, 16:24 		No one is on right now except matt g and everyone is on the board it seems.
 
95TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Fri, Jun 29, 16:38 		I do block everyone. Sometimes I unblock and chat. MattG and me bsed the other night.

The real reason you don't see me is because I am at work and not on aol =)

 
96J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Fri, Jun 29, 16:46 		me too, no aim at work, but i'm usually on the internet all day!
 
97Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Fri, Jun 29, 18:20 		Actually TB, decreasing wins to .8 would just increase the value of IP and K. I was actually thinking that maybe we should decrease IP to .8 while sticking with (wins * 10) and K. The way to make ERA and WHIP more important is to make losses less important. .2 or .1, either way is probably OK.

I'm thinking we need a different formula for closers, because W and IP should probably be less important than they are for starters, and saves should count more. I'd also like to make WHIP matter more because the variations are less. How about this for closers:

(Saves * 10) + (Wins * 5) + IP + K
divided by
ERA + (2 * WHIP) + (.1 * losses) + (.2 * (G - Saves))

(The last part is to account for blown saves. We could take it out if it doesn't work.)
 
98skinneej
      Sustainer
      ID: 25513163
      Fri, Jun 29, 19:21 		I don't agree with taking games minus saves for blown saves because I generally use my closer in the middle relief slot once per week. Also, if my middle relief gets injured for a game or two I move my closer up to take his place until he returns. It would be nice if the commish added a blown saves category, but I'm not sure it would be very accurate. I still see pitchers get wins when they should get saves, and many times errors do not result in unearned runs when they should. For now, I think the order of importance for relievers whould be Sv, whip, era, Losses (negative), and lastly Wins because I don't feel we should reward a closer that blows a save and then falls into a win. I don't think K's should be included because outs are outs-it shouldn't matter how a pitcher gets them.
 
99skinneej
      Sustainer
      ID: 25513163
      Fri, Jun 29, 19:34 		For relievers I like a simple formula like:

(5*SV-3*L+W)/(ERA*WHIP^2)

This equates 5 saves to a win, and takes 3 wins to make up for a loss. It also gives WHIP a little more weight than ERA. I ran the formula on several different made up stats, but have not run it yet on last season's stats to see who comes out on top.
 
100Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Fri, Jun 29, 19:35 		I have no problem with taking out games minus saves. You're probably right about wins too, we should devalue them even more for closers. And WHIP could be counted more. I do think K's should matter some though. At least in real life it's a sign of how dominating the pitcher is. What about this for closers:

(Saves * 10) + Wins + Strikeouts
divided by
ERA + (3 * WHIP) + (losses * .2)
 
101Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Fri, Jun 29, 19:44 		Yours looks good to me too, though I still think K's should be in there somewhere - what about:

(5*SV-3*L+W+(.5*K))/(ERA*WHIP^2)

So 10 K's equals a save.
 
102axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Fri, Jun 29, 21:20 		Great job guys!!! I think the formulas that BPG came up with some help from others, will work very good. I agree with skiny's 98 post 100% AND BPG i am giving you props for those formulas, now we have someting to work with.
SO far we got:

hitters
(OPS * OPS * games played) + ((Runs + RBI + SB)* .25
SP

[(Wins * 10) + IP + strikeouts] / [ERA + WHIP + (Losses * .1)]

RP
(5*SV-3*L+W+(.5*K))/(ERA*WHIP^2)

thanks for the ideas. i really appreciate people who try to help improve the league. And with this we could use these formula's for all stars and use say the top 5-10 for Cy,mvp,foy, and roy and vote on those few.

peace
axp113
 
103Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Fri, Jun 29, 22:52 		Hey PP or J, I need two more pitchers from the AL and NL to complete the all-star rosters.
 
104Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Fri, Jun 29, 22:54 		Also there won't be any links for the award winners stats unless someone wants to make up a page for their players. The voting was concluded after those pages were deleted from GSB so I can't copy them down and link them like I did for season 1 and 2.
 
105Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Fri, Jun 29, 23:34 		Nice trade MattG. Were you on acid when you approved that one? lol
 
106Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Sat, Jun 30, 00:29 		I think you have wins worth too much, and losses worth too little, but i have not really explored it yet.

 
107Purple Pimp
      ID: 393341822
      Sat, Jun 30, 02:24 		That is great guys it would be alot better to determine all stars on formulas and awards jsut vote.
 
108Brock
      Donor
      ID: 495121712
      Sat, Jun 30, 19:40 		Timing, I don't even know if acid would be strong enough for somebody to make a trade like that. I really can't even think of words to describe it. Trading has sunken to a new low.
 
109Jay-P
      ID: 47132140
      Sat, Jun 30, 19:56 		Forget about Bonds! League E's got James Blair. Hitting .300 with 20 homers and 50 RBI's and we're only 4 "weeks" into the season. He's on pace for 90 homers and 225 RBI's.

Now that I've jinxed him, he's available for a quality starting pitcher and a decent third baseman to fill in...
 
110Purple Pimp
      ID: 393341822
      Sat, Jun 30, 20:17 		Time to brag for the AL team with the most wins.....

Brock sucks I spanked his ass. How are you bring in Rakers in the game Brock? You know I had to kill him.

Skineej dont even bring them weak pitchers here. I spanked your ass to. Scored 27 runs in 3 games at your house. The division is all mine.

Matt G.. only played yo one game so far, but of coure i won like i should 99.9 percent of the time.

have a nice day.
 
111Brock
      Donor
      ID: 495121712
      Sat, Jun 30, 22:06 		PP - I don't know how old you are or how much math you've had but where I'm from, 26 is more than 24.

You got lucky against my bullpen. I rocked 2 of your 3 starters but unfortunately only won 1 game. You'll be mine next time. I've owned you since season 1 and I don't see that changing.
 
112Purple Pimp
      ID: 393341822
      Sun, Jul 01, 03:26 		uh, brock ummm ok buddy i know you are a little slow, and you are a former p2 member so i will take it easy on you, but ummm DUMB ASS I TOOK TWO OF THREE AT YOUR HOUSE!!!!!!!!!! and um last time i checked 2 was better then 1 and 18 was better then 13 so ummm who should go back to school? thats what i thought. so just face it im better then you dont worry many teams will admit that this season.
 
113MattG
      ID: 515461320
      Sun, Jul 01, 17:15 		Refering to the trade I made, No I wasn't on Acid. Nor anything else, I know it seems a little lopsided but Kerins hasn't done sh!t for me since I got him. Getting rid of him brings my payroll down. I wanted to Move May to the Bullpen cause He blows as an SP and actually pitches well in LR and Williams is horrible as LR but can be a decent closer at time. I liked the guys I got cause I needed a 5th starter to replace Mays and I figured I would need a little depth at SP when Grybowski retires since he's 38. May is also 39. I know what I am doing with this team, it may be a couple years before I contend, but I have a direction I know where I am headed.

 
114Worm from Wammies
      ID: 437541618
      Sun, Jul 01, 18:14 		Lets see here........What happened today between Worm and San Fran you ask......well first of all worm left wammies at 12:30 today in order to meet san fran at the designated place by 2:00. i had to ride a piss/vomit laced subway 20 minutes after a 30 minute drive in bumper to bumper traffic. keep in mind i missed the cubs game in which they won to keep a commanding lead on the cardinals. but i arrived 10 minutes early to the spot we were to meet. i waited, and waited, and waited. no san fran. i gave him a 30 minute time table to show. he never showed. so back on the piss/vomit subway, back to the car and back to the traffic. got back to wammies in time to catch the ninth inning of the game. got a hold of san fran and he said that the meeting place wasnt confirmed. well it was. so we re-scheduled the event to take place thursday. there will be pics taken for anyone interested. it should be a good time though non-the-less.

also in my journey to boston i found out that i only live 30 miles from one p2er named brock. which in that case maybe i could continue my winning ways against brock when i return home. also ironically july 26 i am going to be at wrigley field in which case i believe pp lives in chicago and am wondering if he would like to take the game in with worm. i may have one extra ticket that i would be willing to part with. so if you two are interested let me know.

right now i have to get back to my hotel and find out what kind of entertainment i can get tonight.

peace out
wormz

 
115TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Sun, Jul 01, 19:06 		The Worm is a traveling man. That's cool. Hope San Fran doesn't wuss out on you again.
 
116Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Sun, Jul 01, 22:27 		PP - Nobody questioned if 2 was or was not more than 3. But you previously stated that you had the most wins in the AL(24) yet Bluto had 26. There is your error. I corrected you. You're welcome.
 
117Purple Pimp
      ID: 393341822
      Sun, Jul 01, 22:52 		lol, im a idiot my fault.. little drunk when doing that post i guess. Anyways i still kicked you ass :)
 
118 Vic Vega
      ID: 2248176
      Mon, Jul 02, 08:39 		For what it's worth, Carmody no-hit the Astros in Week 5 Sunday...then SanFran came to town and slapped me around.
 
119Whitey
      Sustainer
      ID: 2543539
      Mon, Jul 02, 09:04 		I am willing to give up cash, prospects and/or MLers for a very good SP. If anyone has a horse they are willing to deal, let me know..
 
120TB
      ID: 1311481612
      Mon, Jul 02, 10:43 		Define what a horse is?

I have Rocky Williamson 465 468 317 460, total rating 1710, PQ 429.6, who is currently 1-2 with a 9.27 ERA. In 24 career games he is 7-9 with a 5.79 ERA.

Or perhaps we could use Rip Wells 443 446 310 492, total rating 1691, PQ 427.4 and his current 6.47 ERA. He is 2-5 in 8 games this season. 15 walks and 17 K's in 32 innings this season. Tell me what Control rating means again?

Probably too much value on a horse. Look at Ralph Moss 464 397 412 371, total rating 1644, PQ 408.3, he is 4-3 with a 3.67 ERA. Good enough for 14th in the AL.

My personal favorite "Stud" is Barry Short 399 471 398 390, 1658 total rating, PQ 412.86, 4-2 with a 4.03 ERA. Even with his sub 400 control he has more K's then walks. If 400 is supposed to be an average MLB stat, which we know it isn't, he is below average in all his pitches but that wicked breaking ball.

I thought I was seeing a trend here and maybe answering my own question. Perhaps the further away from 400 any one stat is, the worse a guy will pitch. That doesn't explain guys like Mellana, Ramsay, Robertson, and the examples are endless.....

Ranting? Nope, I am confident these guys can turn it around. I do wonder exactly how important ratings can be on any given sim.
 
121Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Mon, Jul 02, 16:47 		Whitey, all of my starting pitchers except Tucker could be traded. let me know if there are any you would be interested in.
 
122Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Mon, Jul 02, 16:49 		Since SanFran and i didn't play basketball this weekend, my team decided to kick his team's ass.
 
123St. Louis Psychos
      ID: 2713109
      Mon, Jul 02, 17:33 		TB, I am willing to trade Brenegan. His stats for this season are better than what you currently have but for the past three years theya re about equal. Total rating of 1644.
 
124Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Mon, Jul 02, 23:51 		Well, i just tried to log on, and the damn commish says he is doing some work to some leagues, including E. I had better see some damn cool sh!t. The commish really has provided very little additional services or features in the past 3 months. and anyone who says i should feel sorry for him because he is busy, or he has kids, or because his grandma just went through some prostate exam(yes grandma: his family is pretty strange) i don't give a damn. In the words of IceT...

I'm a commish killer, better you than me.
I'm a commish killer, fuhq gsb brutality.

(I am just pissed I can't log in after a few cold ones)
 
125Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Tue, Jul 03, 00:22 		If you want a peak, try this.

http://206.61.100.153
 
126St. Louis Psychos
      ID: 43340197
      Tue, Jul 03, 09:16 		Question for somebody. when you are preparing your for the draft and go to set your round by round draft prefernce, down towards the bottom it says "max picks" and lets you select 0-9. What does that mean? I know it is probably simple but can't think what it would mean, we can only pick one player per round as far as I know.
 
127TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Tue, Jul 03, 09:19 		Wammie, you get my Nerd emails?

I bet you feel pretty dumb for saying the commish hasn't been doing anything when he set up a new server and added some awesome changes?

Replying to emails you can leave the old message attached. Look at the draft options. You can choose how many you want to select at each position(the max number). That will prevent me from drafting more then 5 RP's and 2 catchers any given year.

The new site is quicker and I have gotten less server errors while running my test team, so I am hopeful that trend continues.

TB
 
128J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Tue, Jul 03, 09:39 		SLP - lets say you don't want to draft more than 8 catchers...set the catcher's setting to "8"
 
129St. Louis Psychos
      ID: 43340197
      Tue, Jul 03, 10:25 		gotcha, thanks J!
 
130Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Tue, Jul 03, 10:47 		I got the emails TB, and replied to ya.
 
131J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Tue, Jul 03, 11:35 		I love the "reply with previous text" option!!!!!
 
132Jay-P
      ID: 47132140
      Tue, Jul 03, 11:45 		I got this email from you in test on my Oakland team there, TB:



-----------------------------------
From: Arizona (Test)
To: Oakland (Test)
Subject: disregard test
Date: 7/2/2001 8:44:32 PM

I just tried to email my E team, but the first one I sent I never changed from test league. If you got it twice, though, let me know.

TB



Trying to send this to my league E Oakland Team. If someone else gets it, could you please email me at Oakland or even just post on the E message board that you got it?

Thanks.

TB
 
133Sanfran
      ID: 41656311
      Tue, Jul 03, 12:04 		This is for Worm or Wammie, I can't get thursday off, we are too busy and i have to train the new interns. So this leaves tommorow which i have off, or the weekend. I play paintball every saturday so i cant on saturday and worm is leaving that day i think. SO basically that leaves tommorow. Unless you want to do it after i work on Thursday, but i dont get out till 5 and I dont get home till 6. Let me know guys, i cant get on im, my school is giving me problems, since no one is there for break, and i am too busy now at work. Let me know guys I really want to kick worm's ass.
 
134TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Tue, Jul 03, 12:19 		Thanks for posting it Jay-P. I didn't realize the commish was changing over the servers last night. I was just screwing around and seeing if the emails worked.

TB

ps. The transactions page is showing everything from last year as well as this year. The commish knew about it before he brought the rest of the leagues over. I guess he figured it was more of a hassle to clean it up.
 
135worm
      ID: 437541618
      Tue, Jul 03, 13:53 		Worm knew this would happen san fran. I travel 1500 miles to kick your ass, and you don't show up twice. You give me some lame ass excuse the first time about me not being called, then we set up another day, and you manage to back out on it too. yesterday while @ the beach, worm injured his leg and is hampered by this freak incident. I plan on getting gooned up and laid tonight, so with the lack of sleep and injured leg i may be slowed tomorrow, but if you want to get your ass whooped meet me at the museum again tomorrow @ 10 o'clock.
 
136Sanfran
      ID: 41656311
      Tue, Jul 03, 14:11 		HEHE - I can do 10 tommorow, you see worm, you never asked how we would identify ourselvs or who would bring a basketball or even if you talked to wammie, but since you like to make your conversations short and sweet, i can do tommorow at 10:00. Is Wammie comming too are is it just you and me? Do you have a basketball or you want me to bring mine? I will be wearing a grey sleveless shirt and blue shorts, with or w/o a basketball. If it is raining what is the plan? See I like to have everything discussed before you show up to a meting place and then DONT CALL ME TO SAY YOUR THERE? Christ a blind monkey could follow better instructions than you. Lets see if we can get it right this time.
 
137worm
      ID: 437541618
      Tue, Jul 03, 15:07 		sanfran, i have seen your pic. i know what you look like. as long as we have a meeting place, i think that would be enough. i could spot you coming from a short distance. i will be with wammie tomorrow. i cannot speak for him but i am not afraid of some rain. i may never be back this way again so we must get it done tomorrow so i can then go celebrate my nations independance and my victory! i went to the basketball hall of fame yesterday for inspiration and i found it in the bobby knight section.
i didnt bring a ball with me and from the way wammie was talking he doesnt have one. so thank you for bringing that fact up. yes, please bring yours.
it isnt a WNBA ball is it?!? i dont really pick out my clothes the day before like you do so i dont know what i'll have on. but the other day i had on a white T-shirt and blue shorts. i imagine that is what i'll have on again. i'll be sitting on the main steps at the museum. not sure how traffic will be tomorrow so make sure you hang around a bit. but i'll try and be 10 minutes early again. i liked the blind money reference. it fuels me more!!!!

Time-10:00 A.M EST
Meeting Place-Main steps Museum
Event-Worms dominance of SanFran/Wammie in some hoops.

We can play 21, one on one, or find some other people to play games. hell we can even all three be on the same team and show some city folks how it is done!

Lets Get It On!!!!
 
138Sanfran
      ID: 41656311
      Tue, Jul 03, 15:18 		Sweet, thanks worm, its all set and ill be there tommorw at 10:00. Ill sit on the bench in front of the horse statue.

OK see you guys tommorow.
 
139Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Jul 03, 17:03 		Too bad I wasn't in Beantown to kick all your asses. I have a feeling none of you would put up much of a fight. I've played and schooled Wammie many times. I'm sure you other two would fare no better.
 
140Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Wed, Jul 04, 00:07 		Well, just when it looked like we got rid of a stupid owner, Kylie, we got another one in return. Did you guys check out the trade that Tampa Bay made? There are about 5 owners here that I wonder if they have a clue about what the hell is really going on.
 
141Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Wed, Jul 04, 16:09 		Anyone know if there will be a sim today? I'd actually like the extra day to set my draft.
 
142TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Wed, Jul 04, 16:26 		I don't know. We didn't get our morning sim in the test league. I wouldn't mind an extra day, but I am going to set all my drafts up today just in case.

We keep getting shorted on pitching prospects in league E(lite). I just rated all my pitchers and it is pathetic. The guys in H were bitching that it's a weak draft. I have yet to see P2/E's best draft better then any other leagues worst draft.