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Subject: League E - The Playoff Drive

  Posted by: Brock - Donor [371582223] Mon, Jul 09, 17:09
Who are the contenders and who are the pretenders? We'll find out in the next few days.

(A new thread for the people with less fortunate connections.)
 
1Wammie
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      Mon, Jul 09, 18:25 		What the wild card races this season. They could be exciting. the AL and the NL Least races are really the only divisional races left.

I am picking
Mets
Brewers
Giants
WC Cubs

Toronto
WSox
Angels
WC Royals
 
2Purple Pimp
      ID: 1262193
      Tue, Jul 10, 00:10 		my prediciton is.... Chi Sox over Sanfran in 6 games.
 
3J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Tue, Jul 10, 11:51 		Any ideas on how to rate the best farm systems?

I was looking through and noticed my 20th best prospect has 10 stars.

Arizona, Houston, Cincinnati, Montreal, Minnesota, & Detroit also have their 20th best prospect having 10 stars.

So, I got to thinking, I want to rate everyone's farm, but what's the best way of doing it?

I'd want it to be a straight numbers/formulas game. Best prospect would get a perfect score of 100 (499 speed/fastball and 12 stars). So, we'd assign so many points per fastball/speed and then assign points per star (with AVG & CTRL getting more value than GAP and so on)

So, any ideas? I'll get started on pulling in # of stars and that junk...

(very slow week at work and I've been wanting to do this for a while)
 
4Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Tue, Jul 10, 12:15 		J, that's a great idea. I think the trickiest part will be weighing pitchers against hitters. I will give it some thought.
 
5Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Tue, Jul 10, 12:17 		Actually the hardest part will be weeding out the duds. There are a lot of great-looking prospects who have maxed out at a very low level. It will probably be impossible to factor that in.
 
6WiddleAvi
      ID: 495161812
      Tue, Jul 10, 12:25 		The best place to start will be to look at the #1 prospect in the league and give him a ranking of 100 and then start from there....Sort of rating them on a curve but using the #1 prospect and the example.
 
7J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Tue, Jul 10, 12:32 		I dont necessarilly trust the #1 prospect GSB says is the #1 prospect though.
 
8Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Tue, Jul 10, 12:42 		Yeah, I think we can definitely improve on the way the sim determines the top prospects.

How about this for a rough start:
Hitters:
(AVG-2) * 50
(HR-1) * 25
(GAP-1) * 10
(Speed-200) * .1
If you want to scale it so that the best possible hitter gets a 100, divide the result by 2.35.
This makes AVG most important, makes hitters with less than 3 stars AVG worthless, and gives no points for any 1-star categories.

Pitchers:
FB * .15
(BB-1) * 20
(CH-1) * 20
(CT-2) * 40
To scale it, divide by 2.75. This makes control somewhat more important than the other pitches, and makes low control pitchers basically worthless. We should probably also include stamina.
 
9J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Tue, Jul 10, 12:46 		OK, I've got all the players pulled in with # of stars.

Another issue: Age.

There are 35 12 star hitters (Top Speed - 492)
There are 20 12 star pitchers (Top Fastball - 497)
 
10J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Tue, Jul 10, 12:47 		I can't account for stamina, I'm just pulling data from the scout search pages, and it doesn't show stamina.
 
11Big Poo Generator
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      Tue, Jul 10, 12:50 		Age is hard to value, because a 19 year old with 300 AVG is no less valuable than a 17 year old with 100 AVG. Maybe we could factor in age and current ratings.
 
12Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Tue, Jul 10, 12:52 		The scout search page shows SP or RP, right? Maybe we could just give a slight bonus to SPs or a slight penalty to RPs.
 
13Whitey
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      ID: 2543539
      Tue, Jul 10, 13:47 		Brock - I think I've asked you this before, but
I'll ask again...what the heck is Rakers doing pitching in ANY games for you??? He's brutal...I'll trade you one of my mediocre relievers if you want....just please send Rakers down to the Appalachian League where he belongs!!!
 
14Whitey
      Sustainer
      ID: 2543539
      Tue, Jul 10, 13:49 		He does have one hell of a change up though ;)
 
15Wammie
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      Tue, Jul 10, 15:09 		That is why Brock's bullpen blows so many games for him probalby. He will put any one in there.
 
16J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Tue, Jul 10, 15:26 		Ok, here's what we got:

Top 100 Prospects/Top Farm Systems
 
17Timing
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      Tue, Jul 10, 15:37 		Has everyone seen the new Freda Code of Conduct? Lol

I'm not so sure my farm system is top 15. Getting a really accurate grading system for minor league systems is a pretty tough task.
 
18Brock
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      Tue, Jul 10, 15:40 		Here's the deal with Rakers. He had back-to-back years with an ERA between 3.30-4.00. He has blown up this season but I'm short on relievers and don't really care at this point about him any way. He's been cut back in the pen to only throw once or twice.
 
19Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Tue, Jul 10, 15:52 		I know my farm system is pretty weak, but i didn't know it was that weak. oh well. but looking at the rankings, assuming they are somewhat accurate, it just goes to show how stacked san fran's team was when he brought it in here. He has made a lot of trades in which i would say he has given up more tallent that he has gotten back, but he still has the best MLB team and on of the if not the top minor league system.
 
20Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Jul 10, 17:07 		Eric Freda is a douche bag. I can't believe that his mommy even lets him play GSB.
 
21Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Tue, Jul 10, 19:42 		Nice work J. I think it would be more accurate if we factor in age and current ratings, to get rid of some of those 28-year-olds in the top 100. We should also give more points to prospects that are more developed in their ratings. How about this:

For hitters: (AVG rating * .1) - (8*(age-20))
For pitchers: (Control rating * .1) - (8*(age-20))

This gives a bonus to players under 20 and penalizes players over 20. We might need to fix the scale as well, I don't know.
 
22Whitey
      Sustainer
      ID: 2543539
      Wed, Jul 11, 08:38 		No more JPI updates???
 
23J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Jul 11, 08:51 		JPI

Timing usually posts em on the website.
 
24J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Jul 11, 08:52 		BPG - don't you think 20 is a little young? I was thinking more like 24 or so.
 
25Whitey
      Sustainer
      ID: 2543539
      Wed, Jul 11, 09:24 		I know J...I just noticed that the JPI hasn't been updated for the last 2 sims.
 
26Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Wed, Jul 11, 10:27 		24 is OK. The number there actually doesn't matter much, because players will turn out the same relative to each other.
 
27 Vic Vega
      ID: 2248176
      Wed, Jul 11, 10:42 		I'm not trying to be a pest, but OF Pete Alvarez hit for the cycle in game 1 of Week 14 against the Reds. Do we even keep track of this stuff on the website? Am I posting it in the right place? Should I e-mail it to somebody instead? Could I possibly ask more questions?
 
28Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Wed, Jul 11, 10:42
Rank Team Total Change
1 Giants (95-31) 208 0
2 Brewers (81-45) 196 0
3 White Sox (84-43) 186 0
4 Padres (73-54) 175 0
5 Angels (81-46) 171 0
6 A's (73-54) 163 +1
7 Cubs (72-54) 155 -1
8 Red Sox (68-61) 146 -1
8 Devil Rays (68-58) 146 +3
10 Royals (71-56) 139 0
11 Yankees (63-63) 130 0
12 Mets (70-57) 123 +3
13 Expos (56-70) 115 +4
14 Rockies (59-69) 112 0
15 Twins (62-67) 110 -2
16 Marlins (64-63) 104 0
17 Blue Jays (73-54) 103 -8
18 Diamondbacks (64-64) 94 +2
19 Rangers (62-65) 93 0
20 Tigers (53-74) 86 +4
21 Cardinals (59-68) 76 0
22 Astros (57-70) 70 -4
23 Braves (59-68) 68 0
24 Reds (56-71) 55 -2
25 Phillies (51-77) 47 0
26 Mariners (52-75) 38 +3
27 Orioles (51-78) 33 0
28 Dodgers (50-77) 27 -2
29 Pirates (41-85) 25 +1
30 Indians (37-88) 19 -2

 
29Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Wed, Jul 11, 11:54 		i would think that 24 is good cut off, but how about consider years pro. a 21 year old prospect in his 5th year is pretty much done too. What ever happened to it allegedly taking 7 seasons for a prospect to fully develop? I seem to remember reading that when i first started playing.
 
30J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Jul 11, 12:30 		Wammie - the problem with taking years pro into account is, you'd have to copy and paste from thousands of players pages. Not something i'm willing to do!!!!!!!!
 
31Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Wed, Jul 11, 14:12 		That would def be a problem J. I wouldn't do that either.
 
32Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Wed, Jul 11, 16:26 		What is the longest game ever in E? San Diego and I just played a 19 inning afair.
 
33Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Wed, Jul 11, 17:01 		White Sox got run as expected. ;o)
 
34Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Wed, Jul 11, 17:05
Rank Team Total Change
1 Giants (101-35) 208 0
2 Brewers (86-50) 193 0
3 White Sox (87-49) 183 0
4 Padres (80-57) 179 0
5 Angels (88-48) 175 0
6 A's (78-58) 166 0
7 Cubs (77-59) 149 0
8 Red Sox (72-66) 144 0
9 Royals (76-60) 142 +1
10 Devil Rays (74-62) 141 -2
11 Yankees (68-67) 132 0
12 Mets (75-61) 123 0
13 Expos (62-73) 120 0
14 Marlins (69-67) 116 +2
15 Rockies (64-73) 113 -1
16 Twins (65-72) 106 -1
17 Blue Jays (77-59) 97 0
18 Rangers (70-67) 94 +1
19 Diamondbacks (68-69) 90 -1
20 Braves (63-74) 75 +3
21 Reds (63-74) 73 +3
21 Astros (61-75) 73 +1
23 Tigers (55-81) 67 -3
24 Cardinals (61-75) 65 -3
25 Phillies (55-82) 50 0
26 Orioles (56-82) 41 +1
27 Mariners (56-80) 37 -1
28 Dodgers (53-84) 26 0
28 Pirates (45-91) 26 +1
30 Indians (40-95) 19 0

 
35Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Wed, Jul 11, 18:32 		Wammie, that's the longest I've ever seen. What a game! I spotted you 3 runs in the first, then pitched 18 straight scoreless!
 
36Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Wed, Jul 11, 23:01 		BPG, it was a great game. Bello had chance for the save blew it, and went on to pitch 3 other scoreless innings. Great game, i wish i had won though.
 
37Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Wed, Jul 11, 23:37 		I really needed that win. My WC lead is slim and I've got a very tough schedule coming up.
 
38Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Thu, Jul 12, 16:29 		Did anyone see this game between the Pirates and Cardinals? Week 14 Day 7

Score was 19-15 with a combined 46 hits in a nine inning game. Two different players each had 6 hits in the game. Talk about horrible pitching!
 
39Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Thu, Jul 12, 17:05 		Especially when you consider their offenses too.
 
40Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Thu, Jul 12, 17:15
Rank Team Total Change
1 Giants (109-37) 210 0
2 Brewers (91-54) 189 0
3 White Sox (92-54) 183 0
4 Padres (85-62) 178 0
5 Angels (94-52) 176 0
6 A's (83-62) 164 0
7 Mets (82-63) 148 +5
8 Red Sox (78-68) 145 0
9 Royals (82-64) 143 +1
10 Cubs (81-64) 139 -3
11 Devil Rays (79-67) 132 -3
12 Yankees (72-72) 130 -1
13 Marlins (74-71) 128 +3
14 Expos (65-79) 115 -1
15 Rockies (66-80) 103 -1
16 Blue Jays (80-65) 100 +1
17 Twins (66-79) 99 -2
18 Rangers (74-72) 97 +1
19 Diamondbacks (70-76) 86 -1
20 Reds (68-78) 82 +4
21 Braves (69-76) 80 +2
22 Tigers (61-85) 77 -2
23 Astros (65-81) 63 -1
24 Cardinals (64-82) 55 -3
25 Orioles (62-85) 43 +2
26 Mariners (62-84) 42 0
27 Phillies (58-87) 40 -2
28 Pirates (50-95) 32 +1
29 Dodgers (59-87) 26 -1
30 Indians (42-102) 13 0

 
41Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Thu, Jul 12, 17:29 		Anyone have any thoughts on whether to start Hall of Fame voting? I have one candidate if he retires this year.
 
42Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Thu, Jul 12, 18:02 		I guess 4 seasons seems a little early to me. It would have to be a really incredible candidate to get elected on the basis of 4 seasons. Nobody has even 100 wins or 1000 hits yet. Maybe around season 7 or 8? I don't know.
 
43Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Thu, Jul 12, 19:24 		That would seem to be an issue of longevity over excellence. GSB players sometimes aren't MLB ready until they're 29-30. If that player puts up MVP caliber numbers for 4/5 years should he be any less worthy than a mediocre player who was MLB ready at 25 and put up average numbers for 10 seasons? I think we need a consensus on this soon so we can start the process.
 
44Purple Pimp
      ID: 1262193
      Thu, Jul 12, 20:08 		damn stud closer kerins goes down for me for 7 weeks :(
 
45axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Thu, Jul 12, 20:14 		i think the min should be around 5 seasons and it should be based on how consistently they were at dominating. If player A played only 5 seasons and he dominated than he should be in ther Hall of Fame. say like 30+ hr .330 avg, 130 rbi's. something around those numbers.
 
46Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Thu, Jul 12, 22:18 		I wouldn't vote for either a mediocre guy who played for a long time or a guy who was really good for 4-5 seasons, except maybe in extremely rare cases, like if a guy won 4 straight MVPs or something. It should be guys who are excellent for a long time, in my opinion. If a guy doesn't come up until he's 29, so much the worse for him, but he can still play 8 seasons or so before retiring. But if people want to start voting now, that's fine with me. My ballot will probably contain zero names on it.

Should we do the voting as in MLB? Each person votes for 0-10 players, and a player must appear on 75% of ballots for election.
 
47Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Thu, Jul 12, 22:44 		I think, if you want to put a guy up for the HOF, then an owner should be allowed to nominate a player per year. then that player has to get a 75% vote or something to be elected. I don't have any one from my team who has retired that I would nominate. So this season, there would be no cubs up for it. And if you have multiple nominees, maybe you should find 4 other owners to second your nominee or something like that.

Also how would we decide what team a guy goes in as in the case of a Carlton Fisk type player? What ever team he played the most years for?

 
48Brock
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      ID: 371582223
      Thu, Jul 12, 23:05 		Are historical stats kept anywhere? Do players that retire still show up on the career leader board? I know this has been answered but I can't remember what it was.
 
49J
      Sustainer
      ID: 34451212
      Thu, Jul 12, 23:05 		I dont think he should have to "pick" a team. We can just list him under all the teams he played for.
 
50Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Thu, Jul 12, 23:17 		Once a player retires his stats are gone. I thought the whole point of having unique names was to keep the leader board accurate but so much for that.
 
51Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Fri, Jul 13, 01:06 		I agree with J, no need to pick one team. It would be good if everyone saved their team's stats at the end of each season so that we have all the stats when guys retire. Or save the career stats of your team's potential HOFers who might retire.
 
52 Vic Vega
      ID: 2248176
      Fri, Jul 13, 04:50 		Hey fellas, in Game 6 of Week 16 Bill Olsen and Dan Reichert combined to no-hit the Cardinals. Again, if I'm supposed to send this to someone via e-mail rather than posting it here, let me know.

 
53axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Fri, Jul 13, 08:07 		i have kept all the season stats so far for the first 3 seasons
 
54Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Fri, Jul 13, 10:01 		axp, you have all the season stats for all teams? that is great if you do. i have forgotten to save them. it will have to be up to us the owners to keep track of players who should/could go to the HOF
 
55J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Fri, Jul 13, 10:18 		I have all the stats from the first 3 seasons saved too.

Why couldn't the commish use something like these boards instead of the crap he just put in?????
 
56Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Fri, Jul 13, 10:39 		LOL J That message board is a trash heap. Hopefully I won't be posting over there much.
 
57axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Fri, Jul 13, 11:50 		after season 4 i will do an all time leaders analysis and see what comes up, and from there we can figure out this HOF deal
 
58Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Fri, Jul 13, 12:26 		I think we are gonna have to vote on HOF. maybe do it like the real mlb does. people nominate some players, and then from the nominiees, have people select 5 or 10 or what ever who should be in the HOF. Then if player get a certain percentage of the vote, they get in.
 
59Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Fri, Jul 13, 17:50 		In the last 2 weeks I've lost Brad Clontz and one of my new stud young relievers Jeff Darwin. This game really pisses you off sometimes.
 
60Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Fri, Jul 13, 18:42
Rank Team Total Change
1 Giants (113-42) 209 0
2 Brewers (97-58) 191 0
3 Padres (90-65) 181 +1
4 White Sox (97-58) 177 -1
5 Angels (98-56) 174 0
6 A's (86-68) 156 0
7 Red Sox (86-69) 154 +1
8 Royals (89-66) 152 +1
9 Cubs (87-67) 150 +1
10 Yankees (78-76) 144 +2
11 Devil Rays (85-69) 137 0
12 Mets (84-71) 128 -5
13 Marlins (78-77) 126 0
14 Expos (71-83) 121 0
15 Twins (72-82) 103 +2
16 Rockies (70-85) 98 -1
16 Blue Jays (86-68) 98 0
18 Rangers (77-78) 86 0
19 Diamondbacks (76-79) 82 0
20 Braves (73-81) 78 +1
21 Reds (72-83) 70 -1
21 Astros (69-86) 70 +2
23 Tigers (61-93) 62 -1
24 Phillies (65-89) 61 +3
25 Orioles (66-89) 54 0
26 Cardinals (66-89) 45 -2
27 Dodgers (64-91) 36 +2
27 Mariners (65-90) 36 -1
29 Pirates (55-100) 34 -1
30 Indians (43-111) 10 0

 
61TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Fri, Jul 13, 18:45 		It pisses me off when I lose. The rest of the time I am pretty happy. ;)

Three teams in three different leagues have really squandered their play-off hopes in the last couple of sims. It is depressing.

I have no clue what happened to Florida in H. If you look at the league stats it is one of the top hitting teams and the pitching is pretty good. Spent most of the season right in the thick of things and have fallen to last place in the division with a 80-75 record. Going 9-16 in the last 25 games doesn't help much.

Oakland in E has been a huge disappointment for me this season. Cannot get any pitching consistency year in and year out.

La in I is now in third place in the division at 91 or so wins. Only a couple games back and looks like an exciting finish to follow. If any of the top 10 teams in the NL were in the AL, they would be headed to the World Series. Very lopsided league.
 
62J
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      ID: 34451212
      Fri, Jul 13, 19:13 		TB - I feel ya. My League B team, which I think could give San Fran a run for his money, is 3.5 GB with 2 teams ahead of me with 7 to play. One team, is the Montreal Expos. A team with about 95 wins that has no business even being over .500!!!!

Hell, here's his team, you tell me how he's 32 games over .500:

Chick Gutierrez 31 C 447 321 362 289
Dolf Munch 34 C 464 410 364 293
Pat Javier 34 1B 467 324 314 304
Edgardo Alfonzo 31 2B 465 312 255 255
James Chamblee 26 2B 446 441 349 367
Tom Evans 36 3B 457 317 444 368
Lew Jacobson 30 SS 432 413 379 317
Kevin Stocker 33 SS 466 343 348 450
Wiley Haslin 24 OF 468 449 257 397
Nomar Hostetler 24 OF 497 270 332 292
George Lundbom 32 OF 477 384 290 283
Craig Smith 38 OF 456 299 287 465

Bob Davies 34 SP 492 333 400 400
Dana Mahlberg 36 SP 418 394 416 383
George Schulze 30 SP 433 454 387 377
Zaza Triplett 29 SP 473 381 439 315
Coot Watkins 32 SP 322 350 484 480

Mike Brant 27 RP 473 366 375 422
Mike Garrison 27 RP 357 332 459 467
Masashi Kiyono 32 RP 470 367 372 397
Johnny Nicosia 33 RP 356 375 440 391
Brady Raggio 32 RP 380 385 464 403
Steve Soderstrom 30 RP 393 416 437 365
Bill Wainhouse 34 RP 424 303 438 399
 
63TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Fri, Jul 13, 20:13 		Wow

Now I don't feel so bad....lol!!!!

In the test league I had a team of 420 to 450 average guys that won a lot of games they shouldn't have. Now I have a bunch of 470 and 480 average guys that lose ones they shouldn't. Heck, my pitching staff was made up of 1550-1650 guys. Now the weakest pitcher on my team is probably a 1650 guy and my ERA is higher.

San Fran hasn't won a series in E yet, either. When will the pain end, brother?
 
64Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Fri, Jul 13, 21:11 		I know........ :-(
 
65Brock
      Donor
      ID: 3311272918
      Sat, Jul 14, 01:11 		Damn that's a sh!tty team J. It just proves that even the commish can be influenced for the right price.
 
66Purple Pimp
      ID: 27633140
      Sat, Jul 14, 03:11 		lol brock.. maybe u should ask him his price eh? red sox look done this year.
 
67Purple Pimp
      ID: 27633140
      Sat, Jul 14, 03:32 		Well it looks like a couple team records will be broken

RECORDS

Runs San Fran 1058
Triples houston/la 27
RBI: Sanfran 1036
Walks: San Diego 734
SLG: San Fran: .439
ERA: San Fran 3.69
Hits: San Fran 1325
Losses: LA 110

POSSIBLE RECORD BREAKERS

Runs San Fran 1039
Triples: Houston 27
Seattle 25
RBI: San Fran 1026
Walks: Red Sox 720
SLG: San Fran .442
ERA: San Fran 3.69
Hits: San Fran 1297
Losses: Cleveland 111


My bet is that runs,triples,rbi,slg,era will all be broken.

Cleveland already broke loss record just gotta wait and see how many more there will be.

Anyones players having record breaking seasons?

I know hollins for me has past the 30/30 mark which is a accomplishment in itself.

This all adds up to this one line..

"San fran the best team that never won a world series"
 
68WiddleAvi
      ID: 54640816
      Sat, Jul 14, 11:26 		Well the HR record for a season is being smashed.....Can't remember the name of the players doing it though.
 
69Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Sat, Jul 14, 11:39 		James Blair has 51 homers goign into the last week. He won't get 50, but a 50 homerun season is awsome.
 
70J
      Sustainer
      ID: 34451212
      Sat, Jul 14, 12:20 		huh?
 
71TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Sat, Jul 14, 15:20 		He is on the crack pipe again, J.

James Blair, Colorado, 3B, has 51 homers. Just before we merged I was cutting players from my Z2 team. I wasn't sure if I should come in over the limits. I cut a guy with very similar ratings. 415 499 352 266 I wasn't sold on the high homer ratings.
Season stats: 627 at bats. 140 hits (51 homers, 9 doubles and 80 singles) 75 walks and 119 strike outs. Batting .223 with a .306 OBP, .482 SLG and .788 OPS.

104 runs and 142 RBI's. I was going to compare what his other players who appeared in 155 games did and perhaps start the great debate on whether this guys performance helped or hurt the team. I am sure he was responsible for several of their wins. I am also sure that he was responsible for plenty drive killing outs.


I have been messing around with the new forum and it isn't so bad. I still can't tell what threads I have read and not read. That is annoying.

 
72J
      Sustainer
      ID: 34451212
      Sat, Jul 14, 15:43 		Yeah, the messages boards can use some work. The red links are killing me!!!!!

I'm just going by the time listed to see if there's something I haven't read.
 
73Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Sat, Jul 14, 15:49 		Those red links give me headaches. I probably won't even be reading those boards because of it.

The Cubbies lose again! They're BACK! WOOHOO!
 
74J
      Sustainer
      ID: 34451212
      Sat, Jul 14, 15:59 		I emailed the commish asking him to do something about the red links. Maybe if a few others do too, it may help????
 
75Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Sat, Jul 14, 16:07 		I meant to say he wouldn't get 60, but 50 is awsome.

Timer, the cubs still have the best record in the National League, and the AssThrows won't be a factor by the middle of August.
 
76Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Sat, Jul 14, 16:07 		I meant to say he wouldn't get 60, but 50 is awsome.

Timer, the cubs still have the best record in the National League, and the AssThrows won't be a factor by the middle of August.
 
77Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Sat, Jul 14, 16:08 		I just emailed him too. Hopefully it's something he can change.
 
78Timing
      ID: 305541216
      Sat, Jul 14, 16:12 		Err... the Astros own the Cubs. If you don't know what you're talking about it's probably best not to say anything. I guess we won't be hearing from you for a while Wammer.
 
79axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Sat, Jul 14, 16:20 		you know how we have the pitching formula:
fast*2/9+break*2/9+change*2/9+control*3/9

I was thinking of a formula for hitters and this is what i came up with:
=avg*8/10+hr*1.5/10+gap*.4/10+speed*.1/10
 
80TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Sat, Jul 14, 16:29 		I think we could have fun making up some polls there.

Be sure to check out the two I started on League E(lite's) forum.....lol.
 
82Brock
      Donor
      ID: 3311272918
      Sat, Jul 14, 21:09 		Timing, I've been telling Wammie the same thing all season long. The Cubs suck. They have the worst lineup in the NL. Their pitching has been extremely lucky thus far and I don't see them keeping it up. The only team the Cardinals have to worry about is the Astros. The Cardinals have been playing about as bad as they can and are still in it. If they can just play average baseball they would be right there with the Scubbies and Stros. They can't play terrible for much longer. The law of averages will kick in. I think it will come down to the last couple of weeks in September to see who can win the Central, the Cards or the Stros.
 
83Jay-P
      ID: 47132140
      Sat, Jul 14, 22:34 		TB, I was going to cut him before in the old league P3, when he was hitting like .180 or so and with not that many home runs but decided to take a chance on him when the HR formula was changed.

Talk about a monster seasons though. He hit 5 homeruns in the final 7 games, to break the unofficial record, in GSB history, if memory serves me correctly, which was 55.

The final numbers on Blair: .226, 56 HR, 158 RBI, if only his 4 stars in AVG turned out into a 450 AVG, he'd be an MVP-quality player.

Yeah, he's won a lot of games for me with game-winning HR's, I think about 5 walk-off homeruns this year, but he's had a lot of strike outs with the bases loaded, as well, but it's too bad the rest of my hitting is either old or sucks, and my pitching is disgusting with the exception of my relatively strong bullpen!

BTW, for next year, if anyone's interested in any of my players, they're available for cash. I kind of when crazy, and blew 50 million dollars in cash on ridiculous contracts and trades, that I'm getting pretty close to the red.

Send me a message if interested and we can negotiate through the post-season.
 
84Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Sun, Jul 15, 03:05 		Brock, your opinion on baseball has no merit. Tell every one here what you have told me, that Albert Pujols is the greatest third baseman in the history of Major League Baseball. then after you tell every one that, they will know that you are blind when it comes to baseball and the st. louis cardinals and your opinions don't count, because they are jaded.

I guess i will laugh best and loudest when the cubs win the central, while the cards struggle to get to the .500 mark.

 
85axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Sun, Jul 15, 10:12 		ok for awards this year are we going to use the formula to get the all stars??

and can we use the formula to get the top 5-10 players in each category and only vote on them?
 
86Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Sun, Jul 15, 11:51 		Has anyone run the formula to see who the all-stars would be if we use it? I think it's fine to use the formula to come up with candidates for the major awards (except ROY), but we should also allow people to nominate players if they think they are deserving, in case not everyone agrees that the formula is a good way of evaluating a player's contribution.
 
87axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Sun, Jul 15, 12:17 		i will run the formula 2nite and list the candidates for the awards and all stars.
 
88J
      Sustainer
      ID: 34451212
      Sun, Jul 15, 12:25 		The problem hasn't been coming up with the players worthy of All Star Games and Awards, the problem has been getting owners to vote.

Thats what the formulas are for, to eliminate voting all-together. Otherwise, its a waste of time.
 
89Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Sun, Jul 15, 13:13 		Exactly. As I remember it, the idea was to eliminate voting for all-stars by using the formula, but keep voting for the 3 or 4 major awards. Hopefully more people will vote if they only have to vote for 6 players instead of 50.

Let's see what results we get with the formula and go from there.
 
90Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Sun, Jul 15, 14:28 		The website is now updated through season 4 stats. I've listed your Cycle and No-Hitters Vic Vega. If anyone else has cycles or no-hitters please report them with the week and day it happened. I definitely do not have the time to look through every single team's box scores so it's really everyones responsibility to tell us about your records. I find some every once in a while but I don't have the time to be looking for everyone. I suggest if everyone has a little time to go through all of your box scores to see if you have records that you missed so that we have some accuracy in what we're keeping. It only takes 15-20 minutes to do your own team through your calendar.
 
91Purple Pimp
      ID: 27633140
      Sun, Jul 15, 18:34 		i WAS THINKING MAYBE WE COULD HAVE GOLD GLOVES AWARDS TO SINCE WE ARE DOIN EVERYTHING BY FORMULA NOW AND ITS ALOT EASIER THAT WAY..

MAYBE A FORULA COULD BE

(GAMES PLAYED/ ERRORS)

NOT SUR HOW IT WORK OUT THOUGH CAUSE I GOT A GUY WHO PLAYED 158 GAME WITH NO ERRORS
 
92axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Sun, Jul 15, 18:55 		OK, here are the All Stars for season 4. THis year, we did something different. We took the top 2 players in each(1b,2b,3b,ss,C) in points--
10 total infielders
6 outfielders
6 SP
4 RP
4 other hitters with the who had the most points, but were not in the top 2 Infielders or top 6 outfielders.

All Star Starters
LEAGUE-TEAM-NAME-POINTS FROM FORMULA
1b
AL Boston Wright,Ron 178.09
NL Milwaukee Pena,Carlos 191.11
2b
AL Cleveland MaCrory, Bob 141.68
NL Chicago(N) Hansen, Jed 181.66
3b
AL Chicago(A) Hollins, Dave 182.34
NL SanFrancisco Cotton, John 177.95
c
AL Anaheim Evans, Mike 157.89
NL Atlanta Matos, Pascual 184.52
of
AL Anaheim Swett, Al 184.51
AL Boston Connor, Charlie 183.81
AL NewYork(A) Adolfo, Carlos 172.74
NL SanFrancisco Lesher, Brian 205.28
NL SanDiego Abreu, Bob 190.75
NL SanFrancisco May, Roy 188.6
ss
AL Anaheim Brown, Randy 163.56
NL SanFrancisco Garciaparra, Nomar 189.65
sp
AL TampaBay Grammas, Bob 113.25
NL SanFrancisco Camp, Shawn 160.33

AL ALL Star Reserves
1b
AL Oakland Stanley, Mike 172.42
AL NewYork(A) Browne, Charlie 164.89
2b
AL Texas Duggan, Bob 139.08
3b
AL Baltimore Poffenberger, Erv 169.5
AL Boston Besse, Dave 177.58
c
AL Chicago(A) Hagins, Steve 147.55
of
AL TampaBay Asbjornson, Harry 170.58
AL Boston Tinoco, Luis 165.3
AL TampaBay Torres, Monte 156.4
ss
AL Boston Jones, Walter 163.55
AL Chicago(A) Sosa, Juan 162.87
AL Oakland Nieves, Jose 158.74
sp
AL KansasCity Penn, Ed 109.13
AL Chicago(A) Downs, Scott 101.13
AL Anaheim Sims, Ken 95.14
AL Anaheim Swift, Bill 92.86
AL NewYork(A) Libke, Dennis 81.63
RP
AL Anaheim Dunbar, Matt 74.48
AL Toronto Moss, Bob 48.53
AL NewYork(A) Buckles, Bucky 36.92
AL Boston Travis, Jesse 35.24

NL All Star Reserves
1b
NL SanDiego Barker, Luke 165.88
2b
NL LosAngeles Alexander, George 163.09
3b
NL SanFrancisco Smith, Bobby 177.08
NL Colorado Blair, James 171.72
c
NL Florida Murray, Sam 173.33
NL Milwaukee Kerfeld, Bo 169.74
of
NL Atlanta Incaviglia, Pete 186.9
NL SanFrancisco Pernell, Brandon 183.61
NL Milwaukee Speed, Dorian 175.06
NL NewYork(N) Fox, Jason 170.65
NL Milwaukee Ceccarelli, Frankie 165.12
ss
NL SanDiego Howitt, Fred 179.22
sp
NL SanFrancisco Sullivan, Dewey 126.77
NL SanFrancisco Darrow, Tommy 118.95
NL Cincinnati Kaufman, John 117.21
NL SanDiego Duncan, Courtney 95.16
NL Milwaukee Creger, Fred 89.88
RP
NL Florida Asselstine, Ollie 41.26
NL Colorado Gardner, John 39.44
NL Milwaukee Eschen, Charlie 29.15
NL SanDiego Martinez, Jose 25.84

 
93axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Sun, Jul 15, 19:01 		I need nominations for ROY?
 
94Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Sun, Jul 15, 19:10 		I think your formula for releivers is messed up. Matt Dunbar pitched half the year for me and though he put up awesome numbers he was nowhere near as valuable as Clontz or my other guy Moraga who pitched a ton of quality innings in MR and LR.

My ROY nominee is Mike Evans.
 
95axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Sun, Jul 15, 19:48 		i think the RP formula does need some work, any ideas. The formula is indead correct and i feel that it is flawed. any comments, i think we should count wins a little higher
 
96Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Sun, Jul 15, 21:08 		My ROY nommines are Shawn camp, and Tommy Darrow
 
97axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Sun, Jul 15, 21:32 		btw, i am going to run the voting this year, make sure you check your gsb emails asap.
 
98Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Sun, Jul 15, 22:05 		I nominate Fred Howitt for ROY. Also Bob Abreu for MVP.
 
99axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Sun, Jul 15, 22:23 		bpg or skinne j i need some help on an rp formula. the formula you guys hade is flawed a little. It is ok, but it could be better. when i ran it on season 4 stats, some sp's were ranked very high on rp's formula. Example: anahiems Dunbar was ranked the #1 RP. and he clearly is not, but if he pitched more innings he could be considered. One thing that could be added is innings pitched per game. say the avg RP pitches 1-3 innings per game. ANy info, please post it. thanks.
 
100Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Sun, Jul 15, 22:31 		Maybe you could split the formula 2 ways to rate relievers. One could rate closers and one could rate the workhorse releivers. This way the best closers and the best innings eaters are represented.
 
101axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Sun, Jul 15, 22:52 		if the commish added blown saves, games started, save opportunities it would be much easier.
 
102J
      Sustainer
      ID: 34451212
      Sun, Jul 15, 22:56 		Blown Saves + Saves = Save Opps, no?

But, yeah, those would be very nice additions, along with caught stealing.
 
103axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Sun, Jul 15, 22:58 		true.
 
104Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Mon, Jul 16, 00:42 		Yeah, I guess the RP formula could use some work, although Dunbar did get 21 saves! He looks like an all-star to me. Maybe we made ERA and WHIP too important. For closers we don't really want to include IP, since a closer never goes more than 1 inning unless he blows a save. How about this:
(S+W-L)/(ERA+(WHIP*WHIP))
I think this makes Moss the FOY in the AL. Someone else can probably do better, I'm no mathematician.

For middle relievers, why not just use the formula for starters but add saves into it? I forget what the SP formula was, but just weight a save equal to a win and see how it turns out. Then for all-stars we could just pick 3 closers and a MR, or 2 and 2.
 
105Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Mon, Jul 16, 00:44 		I am suprised Malloy didn't get onto the All-Star with your formula. he was my best pitcher by far this season. one of the top RP's in the game i thought. He was far better than any of my starters.
 
106Whitey
      Sustainer
      ID: 2543539
      Mon, Jul 16, 07:46 		axp113 - My candidate for AL ROY is Chris Enochs (RP)..he is a middle reliever
6-3
3.68 ERA
46 G
3 SV
115 IP
106 H
47 ER
53 R
33 BB
64 K
1.21 WHIP
 
107axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Mon, Jul 16, 09:18 		ok, i am close on an RP -closer and RP -Mid i will have the foy up today and Redo the RP for awards.
 
108axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Mon, Jul 16, 09:31 		Here are the Revised RP for All Stars:

League Team Name w-l era saves
AL-MR TampaBay Tennant,Bill 12-7 3.37 1
AL-CL Toronto Moss, Bob 4-2 2.79 46
AL-MR Anaheim Clontz, Brad 12-6 3.62 8
AL-MR Texas Neale, Mike 8-5 2.87 4

NL-MR Chicago(N) Malloy, Butch 11-1 3.16 9
NL-CL Milwaukee Eschen, Charlie 3-4 3.81 41
NL-CL Chicago(N) Bello, Emerson 2-8 4.77 43
NL-MR SanFrancisco Mahoney, Ralph 5-3 3.08 9

 
109Buchster
      ID: 2134520
      Mon, Jul 16, 09:57 		My ROY candidates are Matos and Incaviglia.
 
110J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Mon, Jul 16, 09:59 		I dont think Wins-Losses should count at all for relievers, that's purely a coincidental stat and shouldn't factor in either way.

I think some tinkering still needs to be done. Bello had 43 saves, but also, it looks like he had 10 blown saves, seems kinda high for an all star. Then Clontz at 3.62, I'd rather see an extra starter make the team. Stanton, Quantrill & Nelson all made the AL team this year (all pretty controversial) but had ERA's below 2.00 I believe.
 
111J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Mon, Jul 16, 10:00 		What do you guys think of assigning the all star team selections to the WS reps? It'll make for some nice controversy (if the teams actually take the time to do it!)
 
112axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Mon, Jul 16, 10:06 		so Far for ROY
Mike Evans
Shawn camp
Tommy Darrow
Fred Howitt
Chris Enochs
Matos
Incaviglia
charlie karkovice
craig monroe
 
113Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Mon, Jul 16, 10:15 		I disagree, their records should count just as much as starters records. Bello's 2-8 record this season pissed me off. if he is a .500 pitcher in W/L, i am in the playoffs.
 
114Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Mon, Jul 16, 10:17 		ROY
Francisco Matos Francisco
AVG .294
Runs 84
2B 20
3B 2
HR 11
RBI 94
OBP .341
SLG .384
 
115Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Mon, Jul 16, 11:25 		It does seem odd that Bello would make it with a 4.77 ERA. I think John Gardner had a better year.

For closers, wins shouldn't matter much since you have to blow a save to get a win, but losses should count for plenty. Maybe ERA should count a bit more too. How about this:
(3*S + W - 3*L) / (2*ERA) + (WHIP*WHIP)
If we're worried about guys like Dunbar making it, we could set a minimum of 25 IP or something.
 
116axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Mon, Jul 16, 12:21 		for closers we could use a min of 30 games and for Mid/long/setup RP we could use a min of 40-50 games
 
117Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Mon, Jul 16, 12:25 		What is wrong with Clontz's 3.62 era? LOL That ranks him 7th in the AL and his 1.19 WHIP is 3rd in the AL.
 
118Bluto
      ID: 5481013
      Mon, Jul 16, 13:17 		Bob Moss for ROY and FOY
 
119Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Mon, Jul 16, 13:32 		I agree that Bello wasn't one of the top 5 rp's in the NL this season, but he was a pretty solid closer. He has been a steal from TB for Mappes.
 
120WiddleAvi
      ID: 2102389
      Mon, Jul 16, 13:41 		I had a player who played the last 3 weeks of last season (16 games or I think).....would this be considered his rookie season ??
 
121J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Mon, Jul 16, 13:50 		In MLB I believe as long as a player hasn't had 100 career at bats, he's considered a rookie. Not sure about pitchers.
 
122Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Mon, Jul 16, 13:52 		I would not consider that his rookie season. that is after the expanded 40 man roster would be in real baseball. I would say the guy would be able to win ROY next season.
 
123J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Mon, Jul 16, 14:17 		Here's the link to League B's All Star Ballotting
 
124Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Mon, Jul 16, 14:34 		I think it's actually 50 at bats for hitters and 30 innings for pitchers.
 
125Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Mon, Jul 16, 14:54 		League B has a very solid web page. i do like their voting too. the one thing i would add to their voting page would be to bold the stat, maybe in red or blue or something for league leaders. so you can look at a guy and know right away that he lead the NL in Avg, not just the 2b for instance.
 
126J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Mon, Jul 16, 16:26 		Well, I sure as hell didn't come close to beating San Fran!!!!!!
 
127Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Mon, Jul 16, 17:03 		oh im going to loose soon enough, its like such tourte watching thoes games........
 
128Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Mon, Jul 16, 17:40 		The MLB criteria is 130 at-bats, 50 innings, or 45 days on a roster.
 
129Purple Pimp
      ID: 27633140
      Mon, Jul 16, 18:06 		i got beat by toronto, and there "stud" rotation, well atleast they were against me.
 
130Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Mon, Jul 16, 18:06 		If those are the MLB criteria, we probably shouldn't use them, since full-time closers never reach 50 IP in a season.
 
131Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Mon, Jul 16, 18:09 		I thought I'd do better against Milwaukee. My total lack of speed killed me. In game 4 I could have scored 3 more runs easily if my guys would have taken an extra base. I think I may have the slowest team in E history. didn't even break 100 SB.
 
132J
      Sustainer
      ID: 556551617
      Mon, Jul 16, 18:15 		OK, here are ALL the (somewhat) worthy rookies.

Hitters Team POS AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB E OBP SLG OPS Points
Pete Incaviglia ATL OF .280 162 649 127 182 11 2 41 123 82 83 25 10 .361 .493 .854 186.90
Pascual Matos ATL C .296 162 604 112 179 8 2 38 122 78 87 0 0 .377 .505 .882 184.52
Fred Howitt SD SS .299 162 608 122 182 10 2 28 102 86 79 28 15 .386 .461 .847 179.22
Erv Poffenberger BAL 3B .277 155 599 115 166 7 1 35 109 77 83 31 22 .359 .467 .826 169.50
Mike Evans ANH C .282 162 664 98 187 17 1 28 124 79 97 0 0 .358 .437 .795 157.89
Craig Miller FLA OF .302 161 632 96 191 7 0 13 108 69 80 24 10 .371 .375 .746 146.60
Tommy Grigsby SD OF .315 152 653 103 206 18 4 13 91 70 75 0 4 .382 .415 .797 145.05
Jose Valentin KC SS .308 160 702 99 216 11 2 12 79 57 96 44 15 .360 .380 .740 143.12
Frank Firova SF 1B .286 162 597 99 171 11 1 10 88 85 67 28 11 .375 .358 .733 140.79
Francisco Matos CHN 2B .294 162 635 84 187 20 2 11 94 45 74 0 1 .341 .384 .725 129.65
Sammy Sosa PIT OF .260 162 628 91 163 17 0 17 91 68 93 18 12 .332 .368 .700 129.38
Orlando Worthington PHI OF .263 162 613 93 161 12 2 8 80 57 70 30 5 .325 .328 .653 119.83
Billy Meacham TB 2B .275 162 612 75 168 8 0 15 78 53 72 13 19 .332 .361 .693 119.30
Ox Holly LA OF .295 162 586 65 173 12 1 9 78 48 79 0 5 .349 .365 .714 118.34
Scott Long BAL 2B .277 155 571 66 158 21 4 9 72 51 90 18 8 .336 .375 .711 117.36
Wally Whitted PHI 2B .273 137 535 82 146 11 3 11 66 59 73 26 0 .345 .366 .711 112.76
Whitey Dowd LA C .317 122 448 62 142 14 1 9 68 60 54 0 0 .398 .413 .811 112.74

Pitchers Team Pos W L ERA G S IP H ER R BB K WHIP Pts
Shawn Camp SF SP 22 1 2.52 31 0 214 158 60 63 69 156 1.06 160.33
Tommy Darrow SF SP 20 5 3.24 32 0 222 190 80 80 81 168 1.22 118.95
Todd Williams PHI SP 16 9 4.73 32 0 194 224 102 103 85 106 1.59 63.71
Andy Ryan TOR SP 10 8 5.05 31 0 203 213 114 115 78 121 1.43 58.24
Charlie Karkovice ARZ SP 12 6 4.68 33 0 171 185 89 91 72 90 1.5 56.19
Chris Bowes MON SP 12 10 4.96 30 0 176 175 97 98 58 108 1.32 55.49
Bob Moss TOR RP 4 2 2.79 52 46 58 54 18 20 23 23 1.33 18.78
Matt Dunbar ANH RP 2 1 1.29 24 21 28 22 4 4 8 12 1.07 16.91
Chris Enochs NYY RP 6 3 3.68 46 3 115 106 47 53 33 64 1.21 8.17
Travis Baptist FLA RP 5 4 3.91 67 3 159 158 69 71 71 73 1.44 5.49
Jeff Darwin ANH RP 8 0 4.59 45 2 98 95 50 50 38 55 1.36 5.36
Rick Aguilera TEX RP 1 2 4.14 28 4 63 74 29 30 16 48 1.43 4.61
Tony Mitchell MON RP 2 1 3.96 17 2 50 41 22 23 25 38 1.32 4.06
Scott Mullen TB RP 2 2 5 24 4 54 52 30 30 22 30 1.37 3.30
Oscar Guzman HOU RP 7 2 4.32 38 1 98 96 47 50 44 40 1.43 2.94
 
133TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Mon, Jul 16, 18:39 		Camp should be the unanimous CY and ROY. What an awesome year.

I just made my votes and put him in there. I hadn't taken a good enough look at all the AL Rookies but I do like Moss and Poffenberger.

Congrats to San Fran, Vic, Bluto, and Ty Ming for advancing to the Championship Series.

TB
 
134Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Mon, Jul 16, 18:52 		That must be the best rookie class ever. I thought Howitt would have a good shot at ROY but he looks like the #5 rookie in the NL.
 
135Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Mon, Jul 16, 19:09 		Damn, I hope i voted for Camp, if i didn't, that is who i meant to vote for ROY.

I thought Matos had a good rookie year for me, i didn't think he would win rookie of the year, but i thought he would be a top 5 guy. looks like hell no on that one. these rookies were great. class of '83 or something.
 
136Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Mon, Jul 16, 19:35 		BPG - 45 days on a roster takes care of relief pitchers, though it would be hard to know in GSB. I doubt if a reliever would ever win anyway.
 
137Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Mon, Jul 16, 20:30 		I'm starting to build my Ming dynasty in there! ;o) Hopefully I'll be rid of the salary fat by next year and I can really start building up that farm system. hehehe
 
138Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Mon, Jul 16, 20:39 		That is true Brock. But since we can't really figure out days easily, maybe we should just make it 20 IP or something. Relievers can definitely win. In fact I will probably vote for Moss in the AL, and he barely got over 50 IP.
 
139axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Mon, Jul 16, 21:10 		I think moss and camp would be the favorites for ROY.- Camp is hands down NL ROY. But we will still vote for AL ROY if you want.

BTW so far We Surpassed the amnt of Voter Participation this season, and It seems like we found something that works!!! ABout 2/3 of the League voted- Good job
 
140Bluto
      ID: 19151723
      Mon, Jul 16, 22:40 		PP:
what's your problem with my rotation?

of course they're not all aces, but they're all solid pitchers and would be in most teams rotations...they certainly helped beat you anyway

deal with it...better luck next year
 
141Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Mon, Jul 16, 22:50 		There has been a Bluto sighting. Mark this day down on your calendar.
 
142Purple Pimp
      ID: 27633140
      Mon, Jul 16, 22:57 		Bluto I am the better team wasent saying your was bad, but mine is better.
 
143Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Mon, Jul 16, 23:16 		Can we get an English translation please?
 
144Bluto
      ID: 19151723
      Tue, Jul 17, 07:34 		Brock it worries me that you get excited when i post.

and PP, how good your team is, is a matter of opinion... one I don't share, but your better than league mate Brock who lost out on the playoffs to me once again.

I remember trying to dump all my mlber's last year to rebuild and no one would take them...so i just kept them and won the division...oh well i don't ever get tired of winning divisions...and i still have the WS on the horizon.
 
145Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Tue, Jul 17, 08:13 		Bluto, because you are not a very active owner.
 
146Bluto
      ID: 5481013
      Tue, Jul 17, 09:09 		I'm just as active as the rest of you guys. I generally check in on my team more than once a day. I just don't like posting in these boards that's all. Most of the time a few of you just talk about crap that has nothing to do with the league anyways...i mean it's good sometimes, but there's just way too much of it usually.
 
147Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Jul 17, 09:18 		It's nice to see people can win votes "automatically" without actually having a vote. That's always very nice...
 
148Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Tue, Jul 17, 09:44 		Bluto, if you don't like to post, then why did you join this league? just wondering.
 
149Whitey
      Sustainer
      ID: 2543539
      Tue, Jul 17, 09:59 		Ty Ming - If you are referring to axp113's e-mail regarding ROY voting...he does make some valid points. If you really want to have a vote, he leaves that as a possibility also. I think most of us would agree that Camp and Moss are the ROY, but some people might have a different interpretation..
 
150axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Tue, Jul 17, 10:16 		I sent out ROY ballots in the gsb email.
 
151Bluto
      ID: 5481013
      Tue, Jul 17, 11:28 		I have nothing against posting, it's just that most of the time all the posts are about people complaining about how the sim is screwing them and how they should be better or it's crap like we've been typing back and forth now.

I just prefer not to be a part of it most of the time (which is not to say that it isn't warranted sometimes... a little trash talk is always good once in a while).

I like this league, don't get me wrong. Most of the owners are involved with their teams and very competitive. But i don't believe the fact that i don't post much makes me a worse or less active owner.

Back to GSB. If anyone is interested in Tim Garces (SP) or Chris Gorrell (SP), I would like to trade one after the WS. We can discuss a possible deal now if interested. I'm looking for a power hitting MLBer or a couple good prospects in return.

 
152Whitey
      Sustainer
      ID: 2543539
      Tue, Jul 17, 12:35 		Bluto - I'm gonna e-mail you in GSB...

Whitey
 
153Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Jul 17, 14:40 		If we're going to have awards voting then we should have a vote. Poffenberger is much more deserving of ROY than Moss in my opinion.
 
154Whitey
      Sustainer
      ID: 2543539
      Tue, Jul 17, 14:46 		Moss has some pretty sick numbers....do you feel that way because Moss is a reliever and Poff "the Magic Dragon" is a position player??
 
155Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Tue, Jul 17, 14:58 		I agree we need to have a vote. Just because Moss is FOY doesn't mean he should be ROY (even though I voted for him). I can totally see why someone would vote for Poffenberger. I would rarely vote for a reliever but Moss' numbers are just too good.
 
156Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Jul 17, 15:06 		Position players are always more valuable than closers who pitch in 1/3 of the games. If you're going to vote for a closer Dunbar was better than Moss.
 
157Whitey
      Sustainer
      ID: 2543539
      Tue, Jul 17, 15:22 		Dunbar didn't pitch enough games, Ty Ming. You gotta admit that...if he pitched a full season his number would have definitely been better than Moss'.

Aren't Dunbar and Poff "the Magic Dragon" both on Anaheim?....hmmm, maybe that's why you're pushing them so hard
 
158Whitey
      Sustainer
      ID: 2543539
      Tue, Jul 17, 15:25 		oops...I just saw that Poff is on Baltimore and he di have a heck of a year, but I personally can't ignore the 46 saves and low ERA of Moss..I'm sure Poff and Dunbar may get a few votes..
 
159Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Jul 17, 15:25 		Why Tee, you're obviously wasting my time.
 
160Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Tue, Jul 17, 15:35 		I just checked the web site and it looks like all of you picked the brewers to knock me out of the playoffs. Thanks guys :-)
 
161Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Jul 17, 15:43 		Go Brewers! ;o)
 
162J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Tue, Jul 17, 16:33 		Next! Go Angels!!!

 
163Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Tue, Jul 17, 16:49 		Yes, its finaly come down to me vs Timing, ohhh this is going to be good.
 
164Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Jul 17, 16:51 		It's about time those chicken sh!t Giants stopped avoiding me. Your day of reckoning is here son.
 
165Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Tue, Jul 17, 17:01 		It dont get any better than this........
 
166Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Tue, Jul 17, 17:02 		That was such poor grammor... :-(
 
167Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Jul 17, 17:26 		I'm going to knock the grammar right out of ya!
 
168Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Jul 17, 17:34 		Maybe there will be an earthquake in San Francisco and the WS will be cancelled. Hopefully mother nature can get it right this time.
 
169TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Tue, Jul 17, 17:55 		I agree with Ty Ming and I did vote for Poffenberger. Poffenberger had a great year. As is, anyone can pitch well in the closer role. Wammie thinks he got a steal by getting Bello from me. Play him in MR and he will have a 5ish ERA and zero saves.

I picked San Fran to win it all this year and on the poll as well, but let's bring one to the AL Ty Ming.
 
170Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Tue, Jul 17, 17:58 		Bello was a steal for what i gave up. He is not a MR, not good enough, but he is good enough to go one inning at a time and pick up saves in the 40's. how is mappes doing in the AL?
 
171Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Jul 17, 18:07 		I hate to agree with TB and Ty Ming but I too voted for Poffenberger. He had a lot better year than Moss. You can put almost anybody in the closer's roll and he can rack up the saves. Look at Bello and look at Travis from my team. I got Travis at the trading deadline and he had about 16 saves after that for me and his ratings suck.
 
172Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Tue, Jul 17, 18:28 		I voted for Moss, not just because of the saves but the ERA. In GSB a sub-3 ERA is awesome. Also looking at the number of games he pitched he did not blow many save opportunities. I'd rather have Poffenberger any day, but Moss had a great season.

I'm not sure why you guys seem to think that guys perform better as closers, or that a guy who does well as a closer would do worse in MR. I haven't seen any evidence of this at all. The sim does not care whether you pitch 3 innings in a row or one per day for 3 days. You'll get the same results over the long term.
 
173 Vic Vega
      ID: 2248176
      Tue, Jul 17, 19:04 		Ouch-nice series, SanFran. Good luck against the Angels. For what it's worth, I voted for Dunbar. I just like the fact that his team won 23 of the 24 games he finished.

My SP Creger only pitched in 3 games at the end of last season, so he's technically a rookie as well. Not good enough to beat Camp for the award, but good enough to make the outstanding rookie class even better.
 
174 Vic Vega
      ID: 2248176
      Tue, Jul 17, 19:09 		I'm an idiot. Toronto won 50 of the 52 games Moss pitched in, so I'm officially changing my vote. I'd rather have Dunbar on my club, but Moss definitely had the better year.
 
175Purple Pimp
      ID: 27633140
      Tue, Jul 17, 19:36 		hey, guys the new site interface is up check it out.. There still some stuff to be done, but thats basically what its going to look like. It should be all done by friday.

Tell me what ya think

PP
 
176axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Tue, Jul 17, 20:44 		looks good. keep it up.
 
177TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Tue, Jul 17, 20:49 		Wammie,

Mappes played in all 162 games and he played them as my 2B. In 592 at bats (8th or 9th depending on my batting order) he had 70 walks and 152 hits. 10 of those hits were doubles and 22 homers. He had 96 runs and 104 RBI's. He also had 25 stolen bases. His OBP .335, SLG .385, and OPS .720 weren't stellar but he filled his role.

BPG, I don't know if I can explain this right but I will try to. I am not saying that a pitcher will "perform" better as a closer but his stats will be better. Any reliever you put there will have better stats. Something maybe not taken into account for the closer who loses the game is that the tie-game ends when he gives up the one run in the bottom of the inning. They are only coming into the game when it is close, within 3 runs I believe.

Let's say he comes in the bottom of the ninth with a one run lead. Let's say he gives up a run to tie the game up and the bases are loaded. With zero outs the next batter knocks one into right field. Game over. The potential was there for a disastrous inning. If it was the 7th inning, rather then giving up 2 runs and just getting the loss/game over, he could have given up 5,6,7, who knows how many runs?

Any pitcher can get shelled in one inning or pitch flawlessly at any given time. The closer has many more pitching opportunities where they either get the save or give up a small amount of runs and the loss.

That is why I think closers have "inflated" stats compared to other relievers. Hope that makes sense.

TB
 
178TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Tue, Jul 17, 21:09 		SP Curt Wright 449 379 403 443
A 26 year old 3-3-4 pitcher who seems to be still improving across the board. He was my first draft pick in League E(lite) and I have to say I am pretty happy with that choice.

How is everyone else's first pick doing?


Hey Bluto, I was thinking the other day about how your team just keeps on winning and how you did try to "rebuild" or should I say, how you offered anyone on your team to the league. Garces has been a stud and has been one of the biggest reasons I have changed my views about having to have the real high Control rating.

I do tend to bitch about the sims not treating me right, but it is bitching just to bitch. If I was too serious about this stuff I would have an ulcer by now. I enjoy the useless banter we have in the league. Talking smack or "whining" about getting sim-jacked is great real-world stress relief. Pissing Brock off is almost a hobby of mine.

=)
 
179Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Tue, Jul 17, 21:20 		OK, I see what you're saying TB. It's hard to say how much that inflates a closer's stats. In Moss' case, probably not that much since he seemed to have very few blown saves. Probably has more effect on someone like Bello. I guess that is another reason it would be nice to have the sim count 1/3 IP.
 
180Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Jul 17, 21:20 		Add getting bashed by Brock to that list TB.

My #1 pick of the first draft was a 4-3-1-440 OF who was going along just fine until week 17. He quit improving in AVG then. He is 474-415-291 and is still going up in HR but he's going to have to get to about 460 in HR to be worth anything and I doubt if that happens. Just when I though I had a very good player, he wuit on me.
 
181Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Tue, Jul 17, 21:26 		My #1 pick from the first draft was Bobby Scheible (4/4/3 3B). He's at 379/417/356/388 and still improving across the board but obviously has a ways to go.
 
182Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Jul 17, 21:34 		I think it's about time for a new thread. Fewer people will read this because of it's length.
 
183TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Tue, Jul 17, 22:47 		What's cool about having your draft analysis, BPG, is that we can go back and see how each player developed. It will make for a good article on the web site. Starting on the 23rd, I am taking the next couple weeks off work and maybe I will go in and check it out.

Probably about a season too soon, but I will look and see how some are developing. I would be a little concerned about that 379 average going into the 4th season. I cannot imagine him going up 100 points next year and not many guys keep developing into their 5th season anymore. My guess is that he stops below a 450 average. Hopefully I am wrong.

TB
 
184J
      Sustainer
      ID: 34451212
      Tue, Jul 17, 22:57 		#1 pick in Season 1: Bunny Jimenez 20 SP 300 464 372 404

Still improving everywhere I believe, I can confirm that tomorrow. I just wish his fastball would get higher ;(
 
185Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Tue, Jul 17, 23:16 		Yeah, I am a little concerned about Scheible although his rate of increase is still decent. His AVG rating started out extremely low, much lower than his HR rating, so I think he's got a pretty good chance to break 450 AVG.
 
186Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Wed, Jul 18, 00:07 		Damn I'm ready for next season. My pitching staff is going to be the most talented I think I've ever had from 1 to 10.
 
187Buchster
      ID: 2134520
      Wed, Jul 18, 01:00 		My first pick was Doc Law a 3-3-4 RP. He's currently at 448-386-457-452, and has just been called up at the ripe age of 24.
 
188Brock
      Donor
      ID: 26328214
      Wed, Jul 18, 06:57 		Do you have any rookies on your staff for next year Timing?
 
189J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Jul 18, 08:47 		Bunny seems to be done with her Changeup. She gets real frustrated and refuses to cut her nails. But control and Breaking are still chugging.
 
190J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Jul 18, 08:53 		Holy sh!t, I just looked at Ty Ming's staff:

David Moraga RP 1834
Ken Sims SP 1814
Bill Swift SP 1811
Brad Clontz RP 1810
Jeff Darwin RP 1806
Todd Belitz SP 1781*
Jeff Montgomery RP 1745*^
John Seaman SP 1715
Jerry DiPoto RP 1714
Tom Papish RP 1691^ (AAA)
Jeff Harris SP 1686
Bill Pulsipher SP 1679^ (AAA)
Bobby Munoz RP 1675^ (AA)
Bert Moses RP 1675^ (AA)


*-just called up.
^-still improving.
 
191J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Jul 18, 08:57 		Now, S.F.

Ralph Mahoney RP 1857
Cody Morrison RP 1848
Tommy Darrow SP 1847 ^
Shawn Camp SP 1799
Greg Mix RP 1799
Mark Redman RP 1791
Jack Chapman RP 1784 ^ (AAA)
Pat Doyle SP 1763
Dewey Sullivan SP 1763
Rick Letcher RP 1703 ^ (AAA)
Jim Melton RP 1703
Giovanny Lara RP 1697
Tommy Ball RP 1686 ^ (AAA)

And to think, I was excited about my 1680 pitcher I have in AAA ;(
 
192Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Wed, Jul 18, 10:16 		Those are some pretty awesome staffs. I am excited about my late-season callup Mike Wasdell. He's at around 1800 and still improving, best pitcher I have ever developed in my farm. I can't decide whether to use him in the rotation or the pen. He's got a 256 stamina.
 
193Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Wed, Jul 18, 12:24 		I just promoted Belitz and Montgomery for the World Series. It's so difficult to get to the Series that I don't want to let it pass without having my best guys up even if it costs me a year of MLB service. They should both be rookies next year unless someone has some objection to them having played in the World Series. It sucks that Darwin is on the DL right now, I sure could use right now!
 
194Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Wed, Jul 18, 13:30 		Remember i wont have Mix next season, i wanted to resign him but i just cant afford it.
 
195Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Wed, Jul 18, 16:31 		My work here is done.
 
196J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Jul 18, 16:32 		congrats Ty Ming!!!!!!!!!

The San Fran curse lives on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I won my 2nd straight League B Title too...woohoo!!!!)
 
197Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Wed, Jul 18, 16:53 		Congrats timing i just cant win the big one
 
198TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Wed, Jul 18, 17:42 		Congrats Timing!!!

Sorry about your bad luck San Fran. I am sure there are dozens of GSB managers who would love to have your regular season success. It is only a matter of time before you win a Series.

TB
 
199Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Wed, Jul 18, 19:33 		Thanks, congrats to you too J. I've been telling SanFran I was going to kick his ass for a long time now so I'm glad my team was up for it.

Promoting Belitz really paid off for me. I think he won both of the games he pitched.