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Subject: League E-lite History Lesson 101

  Posted by: axp113 - [250402413] Wed, Jul 18, 14:26
All Time 20 game winners
season team name stat

1 NL San Francisco Sullivan Dewey 25
4 NL SanFrancisco Sullivan, Dewey 24
4 NL SanFrancisco Camp, Shawn 22
1 NL San Diego Duncan Courtney 22
1 AL Kansas City Sparks Jeff 22
1 NL Colorado Hickerson Jim 21
3 AL Minnesota Carney Bob 21
4 NL SanFrancisco Darrow, Tommy 20
4 AL Chicago(A) Downs, Scott 20
1 NL San Francisco Carmody Brian 20
1 NL San Francisco Doyle Pat 20
1 NL Chicago(N) Tucker Ben 20
1 AL Oakland Adair Hal 20
2 NL San Francisco Wood Sam 20
3 NL San Francisco Sullivan Dewey 20
3 NL New York(N) Fortugno Russ 20
3 AL Kansas City Penn Ed 20

ALL Time Season OPS Leaders (games>100)
season team name stat
1 NL Arizona Smith Bobby 1.010
2 NL Arizona Smith Bobby 0.942
4 NL SanDiego Abreu Bob 0.931
2 NL SanFrancisco May Roy 0.929
2 AL Anaheim Swett Al 0.925
2 NL Montreal Robinson Keey 0.918
3 AL Boston Wright Ron 0.908
1 AL Chicago(A) Flaherty Tim .902


All time errors in a season
season team name stat
3 AL Cleveland Hughes Bobby 80
4 AL Cleveland Hughes Bobby 74
1 NL Florida Snellgrove Clay 48
2 NL Cincinnati Cordido Julio 47
1 NL Cincinnatti Cordido Julio 44
4 AL Cleveland Lopez Mendy 40
4 NL Montreal Mcleod John 40
4 NL Montreal Mcleod 40


All Time Season K's for pitcher
4 AL TampaBay Grammas Bob 199
4 NL Chicago(N) Tucker Ben 174
4 AL Anaheim Sims Ken 174
2 NL Chicago(N) Tucker Ben 173
2 NL SanFrancisco Carmody Brian 170
1 AL Anaheim Sims Ken 170
1 AL KansasCity Sparks Jeff 169
3 NL SanFrancisco Doyle Pat 169
4 NL SanDiego Coulson Ken 168
4 NL SanFrancisco Darrow Tommy 168
1 NL SanFrancisco Sullivan Dewey 168
1 NL SanFrancisco Wood Sam 168


more to come, any requests?

 
1Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Wed, Jul 18, 14:49 		Cool. How about HR and ERA?
 
2axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Wed, Jul 18, 15:13 		All time HR Season leaders HR>40

4 NL Colorado Blair James 56
1 NL Florida Ingram Garey 46
2 NL NewYork(N) Oberbeck Pete 44
2 AL Anaheim Swett Al 44
3 AL Boston Wright Ron 44
4 NL Chicago(N) Hansen Jed 42
4 NL Atlanta Incaviglia Pete 41
4 NL SanDiego Barker Luke 41
3 NL Colorado Blair James 40
3 NL NewYork(N) Oberbeck Pete 40
4 NL SanDiego Abreu Bob 40
2 AL Boston Connor Charlie 40

All Time ERA Season leaders, IP>100
era--IP

4 NL SanFrancisco Camp Shawn 2.52 -- 214
1 NL SanFrancisco Sullivan Dewey 2.80 -- 241
1 NL SanDiego Olsen Bill 2.86 -- 211
4 AL Texas Neale Mike 2.87 -- 163
4 AL KansasCity Penn Ed 3 -- 237
3 AL Texas Neale Mike 3.04 -- 142
4 NL Cincinnati Kaufman John 3.05 -- 236
2 NL SanFrancisco Mahoney Ralph 3.07 -- 138
3 NL Milwaukee Carmody Brian 3.08 -- 225
4 NL SanFrancisco Mahoney Ralph 3.08 -- 120
3 AL Toronto Kiefer Glen 3.1 -- 189
2 AL Cleveland Trotter Del 3.11 -- 133
2 AL TampaBay Martinez Jose 3.11 -- 133
1 NL SanDiego Duncan Courtney 3.12 -- 234
1 NL SanFrancisco Mahoney Ralph 3.13 -- 112
3 AL Anaheim Clontz Brad 3.14 -- 129
4 NL Chicago(N) Malloy Butch 3.16 -- 151
1 AL KansasCity Penn Ed 3.18 -- 238
2 NL Chicago(N) Malloy Butch 3.19 -- 141
2 NL SanFrancisco Wood Sam 3.2 -- 205
3 AL Anaheim Harris Jeff 3.2 -- 205
3 NL Milwaukee Olsen Bill 3.21 -- 219


 
3axp113
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      Wed, Jul 18, 20:22 		And the Winners for Season 4 are:

NL MVP: SF-Lesher, Brian- 11 of 24 votes
AL MVP:ANA-Swett, Al- 10 of 24 votes
NL Cy Young: SF-Camp, Shawn- 23 of 24 votes
AL Cy Young: CHA-Downs, Scott- 10 of 24 votes
NL FOY: SF-Mahoney, Ralph- 7 of 23 votes
AL FOY: TOR-Moss, Bob- 15 of 23 votes
NL ROY: SF-Camp, Shawn- 19 of 21 votes
AL ROY: TOR-Moss, Bob- 13 of 21 votes

There were a few close races, but i had to end the voting today because i will be away from thur till sun. Very good turnout, thanks for participating.

 
4Big Poo Generator
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      Wed, Jul 18, 22:41 		Damn, I thought Abreu would get MVP for sure.
 
5Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Thu, Jul 19, 01:26 		wow a clean sweep for the awards, I honestly didnt vote for mahoney, but i voted for all of my other guys.

Now if it only mattered, cause timing still kicked my arse.
 
6Brock
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      Thu, Jul 19, 11:54 		Abreu should have been the MVP BPG. He should have been a near unanimous selection. People obviously don't know what the MVP award is.
 
7axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Thu, Jul 19, 12:26 		Abreu was not as good as lesher
Here are some stats
Lescher .316 avg, 36 hr, 150 rbi, .889 OPS, 25 SB, 134 runs
Abreu .312 avg, 40 hr, 132 rbi, .931 OPS, 0 SB, 104 runs

slight edge lesher, abreu was 2nd in NL mvp voting with 8 votes
 
8Brock
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      ID: 371582223
      Thu, Jul 19, 12:33 		You're simply wrong AXP. Lesher may have been the offensive player of the year but not the MVP. Without Lesher, SanFran wins one less game(just a guess). Without Abreu, who knows how many more game BPG would have lost. SanFran's team is stacked top to bottom. Losing one hitter would do little damage if any. My MVP vote has never went to a player from SanFran's team because of this. The MVP is for the player that without him, his team would suffer the most.
 
9axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Thu, Jul 19, 12:57 		Or, an MVP is a player that makes a great team even better. You have a valid point there Brock, but when I see MVP i simply look at someone who put up the best numbers. That may not be the person who helped out their team but when i think of MVP I think of the Best. Lesher was better then Abreu, and Lesher helped SF make the playoffs.

If both Abreu and Lesher were exactly similar in stats then Yes, I would vote for the one who helped their team out the most, but that wasn't the case. Lesher had a better season so he got my vote. IMHO
 
10Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Thu, Jul 19, 13:09 		so axp, you vote for Best player, not most valuable? I did vote for lescher, because he lead san fran's team to such a great season, but it was tough between he and abreu, maybe i was bitter about bpg winning the central.
 
11Big Poo Generator
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      Thu, Jul 19, 13:29 		Lesher is a great player but I honestly do not see how someone could say he was as good as Abreu this year. Lesher had more RBI and runs, but that has to do with Nomar and the others hitting in front of him and behind him. Abreu had a 42 point edge in OPS! That is an enormous margin. Nobody was close to Abreu in OPS this year. He had the 3rd-best OPS ever in league E. Put him on SF and he would have topped Lesher's RBI and run totals easily. Abreu had Kirk Pierce and his .700 OPS hitting behind him and Tommy Grigsby and his 200 speed in front of him. That's in addition to the point Brock made, which is that I would definitely not have made the playoffs without Abreu but SF would still have won 110+ without Lesher.
 
12axp113
      ID: 250402413
      Thu, Jul 19, 13:31 		in my mind the best player is the most valuable. I would rather have lescher on my team rather than abreu because lesher would be more valuable in my perspective.
 
13Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Thu, Jul 19, 13:38 		I would rather have Lesher too, I'm just saying he didn't have as good a year as Abreu. I would much rather have Poffenberger than Moss, but I voted for Moss because I thought he had a better year.
 
14TBRaiders
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      ID: 57351168
      Thu, Jul 19, 13:41 		I didn't know that NL West teams could win the Central.

Lesher was MVP. He had the best season. MVP is an individual award. The most valueable player is the one who contributes the most. If Lesher had those numbers for LA and they didn't make the play-offs, would he still be the MVP? This is the same arguement that comes up everytime. In my opinion, one that won't change, League MVP belongs to the best player regardless of how his team performs.

And Brock, BPG has many talented players. Abreu is not the Iverson of San Diego. Abreu is a stud but Lesher had a better season. 18 more RBIs and 30 more runs.

Abreu can settle for team MVP.
 
15Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Thu, Jul 19, 13:57 		TB- Wammie is talking about the wildcard.

I guess the voting shows that people value runs and RBI more than OPS. If the MVP is an individual award, why look at heavily team-dependent stats like runs and RBI? Whenever someone has a large edge in OPS I vote that person MVP (as long as they played almost all of their team's games). When guys are close in OPS, then I look at things like RBI, runs, and team performance.
 
16Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Thu, Jul 19, 14:46 		I agree that BPG has a great point. I felt that may should have been the mvp the first seaosn, but smith won. This year it was hard. Lesher did win some games for me, more than Brock seems to let on, I really only gave abreu the consideration that he would beat lesher, and i am surprised lesher won, i voted for lesher, but i can completly understand your point.
 
17Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Thu, Jul 19, 14:58 		Also ive been giveing this some seriuos thought, and i might not be back to play GSB after my 6 season are up. I havnt decided for sure yet, but i just dont enjoy it anymore. I uesd to watch each game actually caring how the outcome turned out. Last season was about as little involement as i have ever done. Now i just log in to make sure i dont have an injury. Im not sure, but unless i get some kinda spark back, i wont be back after the next 2 seasons.
 
18Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Thu, Jul 19, 15:00 		I was thinking about that first season too. It was a similar sort of case, where Smith had a better OPS but May was better in some counting stats. I don't remember what their stats were though. I figured since Smith won in season 1 Abreu would win this year, but I guess not.
 
19Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Thu, Jul 19, 15:01 		Damn Sanfran, I would have thought that not winning the WS would be good motivation for you to hang around!
 
20Timing
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      Thu, Jul 19, 15:07 		Apparently my Angels have simply knocked the life out of the Giants. Everyone can thank me later.

I voted for Lesher because he was the best player on the best team and his stats were basically even with Abreu. Lesher has rbi/run advantages while Abreu had the OPS advantage. In McGwire's 70 homer season he had a huge and I mean HUGE OPS advantage over Sosa but it was Sosa who went to the playoffs and won the MVP.
 
21skinneej
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      ID: 159241222
      Thu, Jul 19, 15:48 		Re: Doc Law

I have a problem with it. I also know how to use the "glitch" but do not plan to use it. Whoever signs him will have to pay the signing bonus and the full 1 year salary before demoting him.

-----------------------------------
From: Oakland (E)
To: Kansas City (E)
Subject: Doc Law (LEAGUE)
Date: 7/19/2001 4:43:14 PM

Does anyone in the league have a problem with me signing him to an outrageous one year deal and then using a glitch to lower his contract?

I stumbled upon it in league H and know it can be still be done. I see he is currently offered a one year 20 million dollar deal and wonder if I should get into the bidding. He is currently a 1749 total rating pitcher and will probably be a stud. I wasn't planning on using that knowledge here in league E but I did want to get some feedback.

BTW, no free agent bids are mine.

TB
 
22Big Poo Generator
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      Thu, Jul 19, 15:55 		McGwire should have been MVP that year. Even so, if Sosa and McGwire had both led their teams to the playoffs like Lesher and Abreu, McGwire would have won hands-down. (I'm not saying the difference between Abreu and Lesher was as big as the difference between McGwire and Sosa though. But 42 points of OPS is pretty huge in GSB where it's rare to get over .900 in OPS.)
 
23Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Thu, Jul 19, 15:58 		Does the glitch allow you to reduce his salary this year, or only after the season? If you have to pay his salary this year, I don't care if you send him down at the end of the year, then bring him back up and pay him 300K. But if there's some secret way to not have to pay the 20 mil it seems unfair. (I haven't bid on him either.)
 
24Timing
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      Thu, Jul 19, 16:02 		The Cubs were a wild card team that year. The Giants had a 23 game lead over you even though you made the playoffs. If the Cubs had finished with 119 wins and the Cards made the wild card, Sosa still would have won easily.
 
25Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Thu, Jul 19, 16:14 		Damn timing, you are about to open a huge can of worms with brock with that statement.

 
26Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Thu, Jul 19, 16:18 		I don't have a problem with any one signing Doc Law to such a large contract. if the bid is 20 mil, and the signing bonus is 15%, then you are talking about 22.5 million over the next 4 seasons, plus what ever he gets paid in arbitration. that comes out do probalby at least 1 million/ year, so 22.5/4 = 5.625 + 1 = 6.625 million per year for the guy. that is still pretty cheap if you ask me, so i would not be suprised to see his contract go up much higher than 20 mil.

 
27skinneej
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      ID: 159241222
      Thu, Jul 19, 16:28 		The glitch allows you to send him down immediately and void the deal. He could then be brought back up at 300k. The 15% signing bonus would amount to 3 million (for a 1 year 20 million contract) and that is all that would have to be paid plus the first week's salary I think. If we decide that whoever signs him must pay him the full year salary then after the one year he could be sent back down by using the glitch. Even if someone does sign him and uses the glitch to void the deal, the contract can be re-instated by the commish. This was done is League C in season 2.
 
28Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Thu, Jul 19, 16:29 		I think McGwire would have won. Some people just refuse to vote for players on losing teams, which is the only reason he didn't win. Even if he wouldn't have won, he should have. Anyway, I'll shut up about Lesher and Abreu now because I don't want to seem like a sore loser. (Even though I am.)

Does anyone care to explain how the glitch works? If everyone knows about it then we could all just agree either to use it or not. And by the way, who forgot to protect Law in the first place?
 
29Big Poo Generator
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      Thu, Jul 19, 16:30 		I agree with skineej.
 
30J
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      ID: 50726110
      Thu, Jul 19, 16:31 		I just about threw my shoulder out of joint when I saw that I got Mix. Now thats pretty sad!
 
31skinneej
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      ID: 159241222
      Thu, Jul 19, 16:32 		Well, Sanfran got him for 25 mil. He will be held to pay the signing bonus and the one year salary at which he can then be demoted and brought up at 450k.
 
32J
      Sustainer
      ID: 50726110
      Thu, Jul 19, 16:32 		I thought that glitch was fixed way back in the pre-merger days?

I remember signing Michael Tejera in P2 like that (about a 1680 reliever)
 
33Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Thu, Jul 19, 16:33 		Well trying to get something objective out of Brock concerning the Cardinals is like trying to explain physics to a 5 year old. Is that why he hates the Cubs so much? LOL
 
34skinneej
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      ID: 159241222
      Thu, Jul 19, 16:33 		So it was you bidding against me J. Damn you!! I had just checked on him when I was posting over here and you nabbed him right at the sim. I hope he sprains his elbow inking the deal!
 
35skinneej
      Sustainer
      ID: 159241222
      Thu, Jul 19, 16:35 		The easy way of demoting a player signed to a 1 year deal was fixed. There is still a way to do it, if you know how!!!
 
36Bluto
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      Thu, Jul 19, 16:52 		The glitch you guys speak of works like this.

Law is in his second MLB season and would normally be paid 300000 as part of the scale salary system.

He is signed to a one year deal at 25 million instead of the 300000.

Next year he will automatically revert to the 450000 salary as prescribed by the pay scale for 3rd year mlbers unless SanFran decides to resign him at his current rate of pay. He does not need to be sent down to the minors to do this. And since he was signed as an MLB FA he cannot be sent down to the minors at all this season, probably because you used to be able to do that and recall him at the cheap scale rate. It used to be a real scam but it seems fair to me now.
 
37Timing
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      Thu, Jul 19, 16:53 		No... that's not the glitch. Sorry Bluto.
 
38Brock
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      Thu, Jul 19, 17:38 		First of all the Cardinals were not a losing team in '98. They were like 84-78. If the Cards would have made the playoffs I guarantee that McGwire would have been voted MVP. You could not go wrong with either guy that year(that's the only time that has been said by me). The only year that the best offensive player has won the award in the last 15 years that I can think of is Andre Dawson in '87. He had the best offensive year but played for a last place team, the Cubs. Go figure. If Lesher had played for the Dodgers, it would have been an embarrassment if he even recieved 1 vote.

Click on this link and tell me how many of these guys had the best offensive years compared to the number of guys that had great years and made a huge difference to their team.

Past MVP's

Why didn't Helton win in '99 if the award goes to the best offensive player? Why did Kent and Giambi win last year? Why did Pudge win in '99 and Caminiti in '96?

These are true MVP's, Most Valuable Player, not TOP's, Top Offensive Player.
 
39TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Thu, Jul 19, 17:51 		I went and dug deeper in Abreu(A) versus Lesher(L).

A- 612 at bats
L- 648 at bats

A- 191 hits, 84 walks
L- 205 hits, 75 walks

A- 11 2B, 3 3B, 40 HR and zero stolen bases
L- 10 2B, 1 3B, 36 HR, and 25 stolen bases

Both had exactly 72K's and 4 errors

A- 104 runs, 132 RBI's (236)
L- 134 runs, 150 RBI's (284)

OPS is OBP+SLG. OBP is walks and hits. SLG is made up of extra base hits but doesn't account for stolen bases.

Abreu had one more double, 2 more triples, and 4 more home runs. He also walked 9 additional times.

Lesher had 14 more hits, stole 25 more bases, scored 30 more runs and batted in 18 additional runs.

I think the stolen bases more then made up for the difference in the OPS.

Bluto, you used to be able to demote a guy just by clicking on his name and going to his page and clicking on AAA, AA, A. The commish took that function away, but he did not disable the same function through the depth chart. You can raise and lower any player with less then two years MLB experience who is signed to a one year deal.

Atlanta was the team who lost Law. He had just bragged on him in our last thread. After he said he called him up I sent an email stating that he was going to wrongly get credited with one year MLB experience if he was on his MLB team when the sim ran. I also posted the warning in the forum. I didn't even notice that he didn't protect him or I would have sent him that warning as well. I doubt that would have reacted in time.

TB
 
40Brock
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      Thu, Jul 19, 18:03 		I think the commish should give Law back to Atlanta. It's a game error that allowed him to become a FA. Anybody brought up after the season has ended should not be credited with any experience. I think we should write the commish and request that a change be made. Buchster is going to be pissed when he finds out the mistake and he could quit as a result of it. It's in the best interests of the league to do so.
 
41TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Thu, Jul 19, 18:56 		Buchster has signed on and made a trade with Anaheim since this happened.

I have emailed the commish and it's the way the coding is designed in the game. It carries over from the old sims when you couldn't move a guy up or down until after the series was played. It does need to be fixed but when you call someone up you should add him to your 40-man right away.
 
42Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Thu, Jul 19, 19:14 		TB warned every one. I think it is just a bad play by B. but if every one thinks that he should go back to Atlanta, then what ever. i could go either way.
 
43TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Thu, Jul 19, 19:45 		I have a lot of compassion in my tiny little heart, but he screwed up. San Fran based his free agency bidding and trades on that move. What is done is done.

The jig is up, btw. I just got this email from the commish:

From: Commissioner (Test)
To: Arizona (Test)
Subject: Re:FA Glitch
Date: 7/19/2001 6:19:38 PM

I was reading the Guru board, and saw your post about a glitch that will allow you to get rid of a large salary. Time to come clean...how do you do it?


My reply:

I posted how it is done on RotoGuru. You can manipulate it through the depth charts. I learned it by accident and wasn't sure if it was a one time thing or if it was a glitch. I tried it in the test league by signing a guy to a one year 500K deal. When I clicked on his name it wouldn't allow me to move him down. When I went to his position on depth charts his level wasn't greyed out and it allowed me to move him down. It still shows his current salary until you move him to another level in your minors.


I should have emailed the commish right away. I feel somewhat guilty now, like I was keeping the knowledge secret. In a way, I guess I was but I didn't use it to my advantage.

TB

 
44Brock
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      Thu, Jul 19, 20:05 		I bet you Buchster doesn't even know that he doesn't have him anymore. I'm sure he would have said something had he known.
 
45TBRaiders
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      Thu, Jul 19, 20:05 		BTW Timing, I tried it in the test league after you brought Illig's salary to my attention in League H.
 
46Timing
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      Thu, Jul 19, 20:19 		You signed Illig in H to a $20 million 1 year deal and you told nobody. When I asked you about it you acted like you had no idea what I was talking about until I told you exactly how I thought you did it. You still never told anyone in there and you probably only did it in here because you know I could have signed Law as easily as you could have. And if you hadn't sent that stupid email I would have signed him! LOL
 
47TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Thu, Jul 19, 20:46 		When did I move Illig down to AAA and back up again? It wasn't until the season was half way over. If I was really trying to get over and knew what I was doing, I would have done it right away. After you emailed me I realized what I did and how I did it.

The test league is on a different schedule, so when the season ended and free agency came around, I tested it out to see if I could do it again. It worked, albeit with smaller contracts (1 year 500K).

No, I didn't admit to anyone in League H that I did it. My team salary was only around 3 million a week, so his one year deal wasn't hurting me. I just figured I got over and nobody noticed but you.

Yes, my league email was very good for peer pressure. I also figured it was you who had the bid, but league E is a bit brighter then most others. I knew it would create controversy if someone did it, so maybe it wasn't a bad thing after all.
 
48Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Thu, Jul 19, 21:11 		Damn, I didn't realize that you could still demote them. I signed a guy in w2 to a huge one year contract, and paid out the contract. i think that is the most fair way to do it, but had i known i could do that, i would have probalby done it.

but i have brought up a couple guys from the minors a couple seasons ago when the commish was having guys given 4 and 5 mil contracts, and it cost me a few million. wish i had known how to do that then. to me, dropping a 4th year guy back to the minors who has been in your system the whole time is fine, but dropping a player like law is unfair, imho.
 
49TBRaiders
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      Thu, Jul 19, 21:59 		LOL

You and Brock were the only two to email me and say "go for it". You are a fickle one, Mr. Wammie.

You also need to read. If the guy already has 3 or more years MLB experience, it won't work. One year and two years you can.

I am seriously thinking about cutting Mappes before the sim tomorrow just to see if it will reduce his salary from my payroll. I might dump Cahill and Stemmeyer too. Trim my roster on down a bit. Who needs depth anyway.

Did you see the OF I just traded for? The guy has stars of 3-2-1 and his average is a 493. We sure put a lot of love into those stars and they ain't always right.
 
50Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Thu, Jul 19, 22:20 		TB you always think I have the bid. LOL That's really nothing new.
 
51Commish
      ID: 54431113
      Thu, Jul 19, 22:41 		How recently has someone used this loophole?

I thought I had fixed this loophole, and now I can find a way to move the guy down. I just looked at a player with 1 year MLB experience and a 1 year, $10M contract and on the depth chart there was no drop down box, it just said "MLB".
 
52Timing
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      Thu, Jul 19, 22:45 		Around the middle of Season 4 in H was when I noticed it with TB's team.
 
53TBRaiders
      Donor
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      Thu, Jul 19, 22:45 		I used it in the test league right after free agency. Maybe week three at the latest. Tracy has some players on his MLB team, in the test league, signed to one year deals. Have him give it a try.

I did it in League H last season with Illig, around week 12 or 13.

TB
 
54Commish
      ID: 54431113
      Thu, Jul 19, 22:53 		TB- I just added $10M to Distefano's salary in Test league (now he has 0 years MLB, with a 1 year, $10,200,000 contract). Check and see if you can move him down, I don't think you'll be able too. And then don't forget to remind me to change his salary back. ;)
 
55skinneej
      Sustainer
      ID: 25513163
      Thu, Jul 19, 23:29 		Commish, I came across the glitch the last season before the merger. I stumbled onto it when I was playing around in the depth charts and was moving some players back to AAA. I had signed a player to a 1 year 4 mil deal who was in his 2nd season. He happened to be at the same position as the other players I was sending down, but he had no drop down box when I made the changes. When I hit update assignment to send the other players back, the MLer went into a limbo state. He was no longer in the ML and he was not found on any of my other rosters. I went back to the depth charts and he was at the bottom with no classification, but he then had a drop down box. After moving him to A his salary was then voided. I checked it in season 2 with a dud player and it still worked. I hope it is fixed for good now.
 
56TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Thu, Jul 19, 23:30 		I emailed you on how I did it exactly. You can see how it could only be noticed on accident.

BTW, no need to fix his salary...lol.

TB
 
57TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Thu, Jul 19, 23:33 		Yep skineej, that is exactly how it is done. I doubt more then a couple other people ever figured it out. Most probably don't use the depth chart to move guys around.
 
58Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Fri, Jul 20, 08:18 		nicely done fellas on figuring out how to mess with the program. that sounds sort of sneaky. I like it, but it should be fixed, and people should not be allowed to take advantage of that loophole, imho.
 
59TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Fri, Jul 20, 09:08 		The commish did fix it last night. After he found out exactly how it was done, he closed it.

TB
 
60Sanfran
      ID: 463758
      Fri, Jul 20, 09:12 		Ok so what do you want me to do about law? I will keep him up and pay out the 20+ mil i signed him for. If i didnt have the money I wouldnt have made this move. Now I love how brock wants him to go back to Atlanta because "Its the right thing to do". Atlanta made the mistake of not adding him to his 40 man so he lost out, now if i had made the same mistake or brock signed him, I guarentee brock wouldnt be having this change of heart. Need i remind you about when Sachin and I said Worm made a trade in F3 with someone and that when the person wanted to trade back P2 decided that Worm got the best of him and its his own dumb mistake.
 
61Brock
      Donor
      ID: 26328214
      Fri, Jul 20, 11:11 		Buchster's mistake was a game mistake. You shouldn't even be allowed to bring anybody up until the WS is over. Worm's was a stupid move by the owner he was trading with. Has anybody heard from Buchster about this? If it happened to you SanFran I would say screw you. This hurts Buchster a lot more than it would you. Anything bad that happens to SanFran in GSB is a good thing.
 
62TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 57351168
      Fri, Jul 20, 11:34 		Along with the recent trade I made with Los Angeles they also receive my first round draft pick for this year.

TB
 
63J
      Sustainer
      ID: 556551617
      Fri, Jul 20, 16:27 		the schedule's are a bit changed from last season...that was getting boring.
 
64Buchster
      ID: 2134520
      Fri, Jul 20, 18:49 		Believe me I noticed the mistake the day it happened, I just haven't had time to post here about it. I about had a heart attack when I signed on and saw that he was missing from my team. It pisses me off that there is a glitch that allows this to happen, but I'm not going to whine to the commish about changing it back. %&*$ GSB.
 
65 Vic Vega
      ID: 2248176
      Fri, Jul 20, 22:10 		Granted, I'm not running the most powerful computer in the world, and AOL isn't the best either, but is anyone else having major problems with the GSB site since the new chat feature went up? I'm talking at least 2 minutes for each page to load, an inability to access the pull down menus, etc.

I hope it's only a one day thing-I can't even read mail without the site freaking out. If it keeps up I might have to bail.
 
66Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Fri, Jul 20, 22:39 		Vic - I have had problems with GSB using AOL also, but the problems go away when I'm not on AOL. I figured it was just my crappy connection but maybe for some reason the changes to GSB cause problems for AOL users. If you have another way of getting online you should try it. Has anyone else noticed this? I wonder if we should notify the commish about it. Damn AOL.
 
67Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Sat, Jul 21, 17:51 		Vic, the problem is with the default AOL browser. If you minimize AOL and use IE everything works fine, at least it is working for me.
 
68 Vic Vega
      ID: 66352119
      Sat, Jul 21, 20:00 		Thanks BPG-working smoothly now.
 
69Purple Pimp
      ID: 27633140
      Sat, Jul 21, 20:10 		damn a couple guys wont resign with me.. the one that hurts is Hollins
 
70Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Sat, Jul 21, 22:00
Rank Team Total
1 Giants (7-2) 202
2 White Sox (6-1) 195
3 Marlins (7-1) 184
4 Blue Jays (6-3) 175
5 Cubs (6-2) 161
6 Expos (6-3) 154
6 Cardinals (7-1) 154
8 Orioles (5-3) 147
9 Rangers (7-2) 143
10 Braves (5-4) 139
11 A's (6-3) 132
12 Dodgers (6-4) 129
13 Astros (5-3) 124
14 Yankees (4-4) 105
15 Angels (4-5) 101
16 Phillies (5-4) 95
16 Royals (4-4) 95
18 Red Sox (3-4) 85
19 Devil Rays (4-5) 84
20 Rockies (3-5) 83
21 Tigers (3-5) 79
21 Twins (2-6) 79
23 Diamondbacks (3-6) 62
24 Pirates (2-6) 61
25 Indians (3-5) 58
26 Brewers (1-7) 53
27 Mets (2-7) 41
28 Reds (0-8) 35
28 Mariners (1-8) 35
30 Padres (3-5) 29

 
71Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Sat, Jul 21, 23:48 		Anyone else having trouble getting into GSB?
 
72J
      Sustainer
      ID: 34451212
      Sat, Jul 21, 23:51 		I cant get in BPG.....2-7?????????? damnitt!!!!!!
 
73Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Sat, Jul 21, 23:58 		This has happened a few times since the move to the new server. Very annoying.
 
74Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Sat, Jul 21, 23:59 		Wow, dead last in the power rankings! Amazing.
 
75 Vic Vega
      ID: 66352119
      Sun, Jul 22, 09:14 		Well, I've been unable to access the site all night, which means I haven't been able to scout the Northern Leagues, which of course means that I'll be outbid for anyone worthwhile, which means that the Commish is a jagoff. Or maybe it's the internet's fault? Yeah, that's it, I blame the internet, which by proxy means I blame the internet's creators, which brings me to my only logical conclusion...

Al Gore owes me five dollars.
 
76Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Sun, Jul 22, 11:05 		The site is still down. I haven't made my NL bids yet either. Has anyone emailed the commish? I would be in favor of asking him to delay NL signings for a day - assuming the site ever works again.
 
77Timing
      ID: 4613223
      Sun, Jul 22, 12:04 		In the chat room Frida night the Commish said he was going out of town for the weekend so that might have something to do with the site still being down. Bummer...
 
78Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Sun, Jul 22, 12:19 		I wonder if we'll even get a sim tonight. It's probably better if we don't since the site has been down so long.
 
79TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Sun, Jul 22, 13:32 		Very funny Vic.

I always tell myself that I should go in and make my bids on the first day.
 
80Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Sun, Jul 22, 17:03 		Do any of yall subscribe to Baseball America? It used to be free to read all their stuff but now they're charging. Grrr...
 
81Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Sun, Jul 22, 22:07 		Weird stat line of the week:

Week 2, Day 9
Ron Wright: 0 for 5 with 1 run and 4 RBI
 
82Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Sun, Jul 22, 22:18 		Looks like a couple people got lucky having already looked at the NLers before the site went down. at least they were all in the AL.
 
83chizz
      Donor
      ID: 56620137
      Sun, Jul 22, 22:34 		I know I don't post here often, but I just wanted to express my frustration at not getting a chance to bid on NLers. I tried to log on ALL DAY with no luck. The commish should have pstponed the NL bidding if he couldn't keep the site up. This would be ok if it were still a free game, but this really annoyed me. If anyone wants to sell any NLers they just drafter, let me know. I'm Montreal just in case you guys didn't remember.
 
84Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Sun, Jul 22, 22:44 		Unless you were going to bid $15-25 million per player, most of the stud NLers went to LA anyway. I picked up most of the quality old guys as usual. I see TB wormed Barrett from me. To think last season he was criticizing me for taking all the old NLers. Looks like he wants to get in on the action now.
 
85Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Sun, Jul 22, 23:07 		This is a joke. I really can't believe it.
 
86Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Mon, Jul 23, 08:30 		It is a crock of sh!t no doubt about it.
 
87Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Mon, Jul 23, 10:40 		LA spent a ton on NLers, but some guys got some incredible deals. There were several players I had planned to bid a few million on and they went for 100,000 or less. I guess the only thing we can be happy about is that it was mostly the cellar dwellers who signed anybody.
 
88Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Mon, Jul 23, 12:55 		Who went cheap? I'm just curious because it looked like most of the studs went for WAY too much.
 
89Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Mon, Jul 23, 13:03 		I'm thinking of the guys Baltimore and Cincinnati signed. Baltimore got 2 4-4 guys, Cincinnati got a couple of nice pitching prospects. He got Tom Lum for 5K!
 
90Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Mon, Jul 23, 13:09 		I see your point BPG. I'm just pissed that I didn't bid on more guys. I only bid on guys over 25 because everybody else goes for too much. I could have got all the guys that Cincy got if I wouldn't have done that. I was in a pleasant mood before, now I'm kind of pissed. Thanks for ruining my day.
 
91Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Mon, Jul 23, 13:23 		Well Brock, you did better than I did! You got some pretty nice bargains there yourself. I have been kicking myself because I actually did all my NL scouting, but got bored and decided to wait to place my bids until after week 1.
 
92TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Mon, Jul 23, 18:29 		I go in on day one and print out the scout options and then sit down and determine what I want to bid for each before making my bids before day two sims. Rather then print one of my pitching scout options, I made that one bid and then reduced the age by a year and printed it.

I am pretty happy with how it turned out. I saved lots of money and mostly the teams that needed players, got them.

I think the guy I got is 26 Brock. I did some math and they can develop before 30. He will probably turn 30 before he completes in each category, but it was a gamble. Just wish I only bid 100K on him, lol.

Those 27 year olds have less then 66 sims to develop depending on when their bday is. Even if we took a 26 year old with a week 16 bday he has 80 sims to develop after week two has simmed. If he averages 4 points per sim for the next 80 sims that is only a 320 point gain. If the older guys don't have higher starting ratings I probably wouldn't bid them.
 
93Brock
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Mon, Jul 23, 20:46 		I bid 500K or so on that guy TB. I too wish that you would have only bid 100K.
 
94Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Mon, Jul 23, 22:39 		#$*(&Y^@#$ GSB is down again. This is getting @$(*&@#$ ridiculous.
 
95Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Mon, Jul 23, 22:42 		I can log in, but I can't make lineup changes.
 
96Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Mon, Jul 23, 23:02 		Can anyone else get in? This is pissin me off man.
 
97TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Mon, Jul 23, 23:11 		I cannot even log-in.
 
98TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Mon, Jul 23, 23:30 		I did manage to get in and accept a monster trade. Lucky enough I could readjust my pitchers and add my hitter to the line-up.

TB
 
99Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 24540291
      Mon, Jul 23, 23:37 		Must've been because I decided to sign up. ;) I hope this is indicative of how well GSB is run. I've had enough SW to last me a lifetime.
 
100TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Mon, Jul 23, 23:43 		I am done with SW too. I might try a football team again this year, but usually I don't have the patience to try and make trades. It is pathetically slow for me.

I played Swirve Football last year and enjoyed that. I also tried a sandbox league and that was fun.

BTW, I was messing with Timing about making a trade, but I bet he was already trying to imagine who I got.

 
101Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 24540291
      Mon, Jul 23, 23:46 		Oops, that should've read "I hope this ISN'T indicative"..... time for bed Rogue. ;) I hope its up in the morning.

FWIW, SW Hockey usually seems to run fine. Maybe its because they don't get as many players. Baseball seems to be the most popular, so maybe they're just overloaded.
 
102Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Tue, Jul 24, 00:07 		Now I can't get in either. Commish better figure this server thing out quick, or he may lose a lot of business!

Rogue - it is not usually this bad, but the last two days have been really awful.

Who else bid on Jim Comstock? (RP, 25 years old, 4-3-4 stars, 470 FB) I upped my bid at the last minute today and ended up getting him. I was probably just outbidding myself.
 
103Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 24540291
      Tue, Jul 24, 00:17 		I have a couple questions.

At what stamina # can I use a guy as SP instead of a reliever?

And what is health for? Will it ever change?

I wish I had printed out my roster before the site went down...
 
104Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Tue, Jul 24, 00:30 		You can put any pitcher in as a starter, but low stamina guys will not pitch as long. Usually 300 stamina is considered the cutoff for starters, but a guy with 250 stamina will pitch 5-6 innings if he's effective. 350 stamina guys will go 6-8 innings; 400+ stamina guys can sometimes pitch complete games.

Health never changes. It is supposed to help determine the likelihood that a player gets injured, but it's debatable whether it actually does anything at all. I mostly ignore the health rating.
 
105Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 24540291
      Tue, Jul 24, 00:31 		Thanks BPG.

Btw, love the name. ;)
 
107Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 24540291
      Tue, Jul 24, 02:18 		Back up for anyone still awake.
 
108TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Tue, Jul 24, 12:19 		I had a bid on him BPG. Just off of memory he sounds like a 2-2.5 million bid. I am pretty sure I still have some bids out there as well.