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Subject: Season 5 draft

  Posted by: Big Poo Generator - [57844423] Mon, Jul 30, 22:26
Since the website is in flux right now, I'm posting my draft analysis here for the time being to satisfy popular demand. Here it is!

1 Cleveland: Herm Park SP

Great prospect, but was #2 on my draft card because he is 22 years old. Grade: A-

2 Pittsburgh: Russ Dammann RP

Consensus best prospect in the draft. Should be an ace in the majors by the time he is 22. Excellent stamina for a RP makes him a possible starter. This is the first time I can remember the best two prospects getting picked 1-2 (just in the wrong order). Grade: A

3 Detroit: John Hines SP

Hines is a very nice prospect, though there are a few guys I would have taken ahead of him. He was my seventh-rated prospect, but you could make a case that he deserved to go #3. There's a big dropoff after Park and Dammann. Hines is young and has a great fastball. Grade: B

4 Philadelphia: Claud Rico 1B

Second-round material, #43 on my card. In a draft deep in pitching, it is a big mistake to take a guy at #4 who isn't even one of the top ten hitters. Grade: D

5 Los Angeles: George Miller SP

Nice pick here. I had him ranked just behind Park at #3. Grade: A

6 St. Louis: Harley Fontenot 2B

Fontenot is barely second-round material, let alone the 6th-best player in the draft. Maybe McGwire has people in St. Louis burned out on home runs. Grade: D-

7 Seattle: Greg Samuels RP

Outstanding pick. Older than Dammann, but otherwise very comparable. #4 on my card. Grade: A

8 Baltimore: Roy Afenir SP

Also a good pick, #5 on my card right behind Samuels, though not really any better than Pepper. Really there is very little difference between the #3 pitcher and the #16 pitcher in this draft, in my opinion. Grade: A-

9 Houston: Kermit Smith 2B

Smith is a great all-around hitting prospect, but I can't see passing up the quality pitching still available. I had Kermit at #18. Maybe Houston is loaded with pitching prospects already, or maybe Sachin is a Muppets fan. Grade: B

10 Cincinnati: Rip Spencer C

Spencer is a first-rounder, but #10 is way too early. There were clearly better hitting prospects available. #28 on my card. Grade: C

11 Colorado: Tomokazu Pepper RP

The #6 pick on my card, a nice pickup at #11, especially with his great name. Grade: A

12 Montreal: Bud Marshall SP

Another good choice. His age and subpar fastball are the only drawbacks. I had him at #8. Grade: A-

13 Arizona: Carlos Baldwin RP

I like this pick. Baldwin may have slipped because of his 3-star control rating but he is very young, and at #13 he went 4 spots ahead of where I thought he should go. Grade: A-

14 Minnesota: Harley Brown SP

Minnesota was picking for LA here. Brown is a decent choice and has a very manly name, though I am not crazy about the 355 fastball. #12 on my card. Grade: B

15 Atlanta: Pancho Smith RP

Smith is a better choice than Brown. His stamina will allow him to be a starter if necessary, and he's two years younger than Brown. Smith was #10 on my board. Grade: A

16 Texas: Einar Irwin SP

He's the best remaining SP, three spots later than where I had him ranked, so this isn't a bad choice. Grade: A-

17 Florida: Brad Lonnett RP

He was right after Irwin on my card, and that's the way it played out. No complaints about this pick. Lonnett has enough stamina to be a starter. Grade: A

18 New York(A): Wally Moulton OF

Moulton was #47 on my card, so I think he went way too early. Comparable to Claude Rico. Grade: C-

19 Boston: B.j. Johnson SP

Johnson is a reach here. He should have gone in the second round given all the quality pitching still available (I rated him #33). Still, he does have the potential to be a very solid SP. Grade: B-

20 Oakland: Ron Jones RP

Nice pick, but if I wanted a reliever I would have taken Lopatka here (and I did!). Jones has better control but Lopatka's fastball more than makes up for that. Jones is on his way to Los Angeles. He was #16 on my card. Grade: A-

21 Tampa Bay: Bernie Rivera SP

He was #22 on my card, so this pick doesn't seem that bad. But if you like this kind of pitcher, why not take Gulan? Grade: C+

22 Chicago(N): Jim Moschitto 3B

My top-rated hitter in the draft (#17 overall), great power/speed combination. Grade: A-

23 New York(N): Roger Miles SS

My third-rated hitter in the draft (#19 overall), a very solid choice here. Grade: A-

24 Kansas City: Edd Gulan SP

Good pick, but there are those who feel a pitcher with a sub-300 rating is worthless. Even if that's true, Gulan is worth the risk. KC hopes the extra "d" doesn't stand for "disappointment." #21 on my card. Grade: B+

25 San Diego: Luis Lopatka RP

This guy was #11 on my card. 11 stars, 458 FB. What's not to like about him?

26 Chicago(A): Earl Robertson RP

I figured Robertson for an early second-rounder (#37). Given reports that Chicago only spent 20 minutes on their draft, this is a pretty decent choice. Grade: C

27 Toronto: Bob Montgomery 3B

Nice selection, the fifth-rated hitter on my card (#23 overall). Good speed, great power potential. I would have taken Mensor ahead of him though. Grade: B+

28 Milwaukee: Cecil Stimson SP

This is a blown pick in my opinion. Stimson has an outside shot at the majors, but was not in my top 60, and has the nerdliest name of anyone taken in the first round. I hate him! Grade: D

29 San Francisco: Nick Mensor OF

Good choice, the fourth-rated hitter on my card. I figured he'd go in the top 10, though I ranked him #20. Best all-around hitter in the draft but gets downgraded a shade because he plays outfield, and because he won't make the majors until he is 28. His ability to play 1B helps though. Grade: A-

30 Anaheim: Pete Kuzava RP

Good pick with the last pick in the first round. But for a reliever, I like Steve Ewing better because of his stamina. I had him ranked #24. Grade: B+

First round talent that slipped to round 2:
Steve Ewing, RP (Detroit - the steal of round 2. I had him #15)
Alejandro Norris, 2B (Cubs - also a steal at #52! I had him #25)
Brad Brockett, 2B (Baltimore)
George Liddell, 1B (Houston)
Kim Quinones, C (Cleveland)
Bill Hendricks, OF (Los Angeles)

Season 5's big draft-day winners: Pittsburgh, Los Angeles, Seattle
Season 5's big draft-day losers: Philadelphia, St. Louis, Milwaukee

Los Angeles is the biggest winner of this year's draft. By getting 1st-rounders from Minnesota and Oakland, they end up with one great pitching prospect, two very good ones and an excellent hitting prospect.
 
1Big Poo Generator
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      Mon, Jul 30, 22:34 		Here is an update to the first draft, with current ratings of each player. ('*' indicates still growing)

Name: Mike Speer ID: 4952
Team: Tampa Bay Level: AA
Age: 25 Birthday: Week 19
Primary Position: 3B Secondary Position: OF
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED DEF1 DEF2
457 453 482* 478

Still improving in GAP... but who cares? A minor disappointment.

Name: Jim York ID: 4558
Team: Milwaukee Level: AAA
Age: 24 Birthday: Week 15
Primary Position: OF Secondary Position: 1B
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
440 469 441* 314

This is why I don't rank hitters so high on my draft card anymore; like Speer, York didn't really underachieve at all but is fairly useless.

Name: Joe Riddle ID: 4448
Team: Chicago(A) Level: AAA
Age: 24 Birthday: Week 15
Primary Position: OF Secondary Position: 1B
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
458* 436* 453 283

Still improving nicely. Looks like he'll be a star.

Name: Don Mutis ID: 4508
Team: San Francisco Level: AAA
Age: 26 Birthday: Week 6
Primary Position: C Secondary Position: C
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
412* 464* 450 305

Jury's still out on Mutis.

Name: Harry Mcdavid ID: 3897
Team: Pittsburgh Level: AA
Age: 24 Birthday: Week 20
Primary Position: OF Secondary Position: OF
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
458* 456* 341 270

Still improving nicely, might be a star.

Name: Carl Wilson ID: 4005
Team: Philadelphia Level: MLB
Age: 25 Birthday: Week 14
Primary Position: SP Secondary Position: RP
Skill Ratings
HEALTH FASTBALL BREAKING CHANGEUP CONTROL STAMINA
485 485 406 468* 408 311

Already a front of the rotation starter.

Name: Ivey Gillpatrick ID: 3694
Team: Los Angeles Level: AAA
Age: 24 Birthday: Week 2
Primary Position: C Secondary Position: C
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
404* 377 441* 272

Might still become decent, but not a star.

Name: Jason Mcguire ID: 4736
Team: Kansas City Level: AAA
Age: 25 Birthday: Week 20
Primary Position: 2B Secondary Position: SS
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
464* 392 403* 452

Overachieved a bit, and might be a good player.

Name: Ernie Reynolds ID: 4019
Team: Cincinnati Level: AAA
Age: 26 Birthday: Week 9
Primary Position: SP Secondary Position: RP
Skill Ratings
HEALTH FASTBALL BREAKING CHANGEUP CONTROL STAMINA
240 427 388* 458* 415 367

Reynolds overachieved, and if his BB keeps going up will be a very good SP.

Name: Ralph Reulbach ID: 4427
Team: Boston Level: AAA
Age: 24 Birthday: Week 18
Primary Position: OF Secondary Position: 1B
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
474 435* 291 440

Already decent, could become very good if his HR keeps rising.

Name: Bob Runyan ID: 4580
Team: Arizona Level: MLB
Age: 25 Birthday: Week 8
Primary Position: OF Secondary Position: 1B
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED DEF1 DEF2
461 448 368 416

His HR may still be rising (he has been on the DL). If so, he could become very good. Right now he is merely decent.

Name: Curt Wright ID: 4165
Team: Oakland Level: MLB
Age: 27 Birthday: Week 6
Primary Position: SP Secondary Position: RP
Skill Ratings
HEALTH FASTBALL BREAKING CHANGEUP CONTROL STAMINA
418 449 400* 410 460 366

He's already a good ML starter.

Name: Bert Goodman ID: 3592
Team: Minnesota Level: AAA
Age: 20 Birthday: Week 16
Primary Position: OF Secondary Position: OF
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
462* 368 464* 294

Still looks like a bad pick, unless his avg gets extremely high.

Name: Bunny Jimenez ID: 4931
Team: New York(N) Level: AAA
Age: 20 Birthday: Week 16
Primary Position: SP Secondary Position: RP
Skill Ratings
HEALTH FASTBALL BREAKING CHANGEUP CONTROL STAMINA
496 300 491 372 422* 378

Might have overachieved, but still not a good pick.

Name: Lou Sixsmith ID: 3633
Team: Texas Level: AA
Age: 23 Birthday: Week 3
Primary Position: SP Secondary Position: RP
Skill Ratings
HEALTH FASTBALL BREAKING CHANGEUP CONTROL STAMINA
421 270 368* 474 450* 448

Achieved to expectations so far, but needs to do more.

Name: Russ Maloney ID: 4380
Team: Anaheim Level: AAA
Age: 22 Birthday: Week 15
Primary Position: 2B Secondary Position: SS
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
482* 434 454 382

Very nice surprise here.

Name: Sig Marquez ID: 3687
Team: St. Louis Level: AAA
Age: 24 Birthday: Week 7
Primary Position: OF Secondary Position: OF
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
437 423* 342 426

Still a bad pick despite overachieving in AVG.

Name: Buck Oates ID: 4743
Team: Montreal Level: AAA
Age: 23 Birthday: Week 11
Primary Position: SP Secondary Position: RP
Skill Ratings
HEALTH FASTBALL BREAKING CHANGEUP CONTROL STAMINA
262 385 475* 422 404* 412

Big overachiever, will be a solid contributor.

Name: Doc Law ID: 4799
Team: San Francisco Level: MLB
Age: 24 Birthday: Week 19
Primary Position: RP Secondary Position: SP
Skill Ratings
HEALTH FASTBALL BREAKING CHANGEUP CONTROL STAMINA
222 448 402 457 472* 130

At 25 mil per year, the most successful of this year's draftees by far!

Name: Fred Lyon ID: 3696
Team: Colorado Level: AAA
Age: 25 Birthday: Week 13
Primary Position: 2B Secondary Position: SS
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
474 404 402* 399

Marginal major-leaguer.

Name: Bill Wilshere ID: 3611
Team: Houston Level: AAA
Age: 21 Birthday: Week 2
Primary Position: 1B Secondary Position: 3B
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
466 438* 404 401

Marginal major-leaguer but could become very good if his HR keeps improving.

Name: Bobby Scheible ID: 4870
Team: San Diego Level: AAA
Age: 24 Birthday: Week 15
Primary Position: 3B Secondary Position: SS
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
407* 443* 380* 388

Jury's still out. I've got my fingers crossed.

Name: Monk Williams ID: 4788
Team: Cleveland Level: AAA
Age: 26 Birthday: Week 16
Primary Position: C Secondary Position: C
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
375* 433* 453 440

It doesn't look good. Check back in a year.

Name: Orlando Blackburn ID: 3651
Team: Seattle Level: AA
Age: 23 Birthday: Week 15
Primary Position: SS Secondary Position: 2B
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED DEF1 DEF2
407* 296* 336 296

No matter what happens this was a bad pick.

Name: Tony Naton ID: 4409
Team: New York(A) Level: AA
Age: 26 Birthday: Week 2
Primary Position: OF Secondary Position: 1B
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
376* 390* 474 459

Doesn't look good for Naton either.

Name: Jim Millwood ID: 4437
Team: Arizona Level: AAA
Age: 24 Birthday: Week 7
Primary Position: 1B Secondary Position: 3B
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
458* 360 406* 412

Still has a chance.

Name: Jack Jacobs ID: 3574
Team: Florida Level: AAA
Age: 22 Birthday: Week 6
Primary Position: OF Secondary Position: 1B
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
459* 457 379 318

Just called up, looks like he was a good selection.

Name: Jack Durant ID: 5006
Team: Baltimore Level: AAA
Age: 23 Birthday: Week 20
Primary Position: C Secondary Position: 3B
Skill Ratings
AVG HR GAP SPEED
373* 447 376 300

Not looking good.

Name: Chappie Burns ID: 3965
Team: Houston Level: AAA
Age: 24 Birthday: Week 9
Primary Position: RP Secondary Position: SP
Skill Ratings
HEALTH FASTBALL BREAKING CHANGEUP CONTROL STAMINA
423 446 363 473* 471* 210

A huge steal. Ready to be a star.

Name: Walt Mcdowell ID: 3960
Team: Detroit Level: AAA
Age: 25 Birthday: Week 16
Primary Position: SP Secondary Position: RP
Skill Ratings
HEALTH FASTBALL BREAKING CHANGEUP CONTROL STAMINA
224 294 398* 403* 452 319

Might become a usable pitcher, but it's doubtful.

Best picks from the season 1 draft: Joe Riddle (Chisox), Harry McDavid (PIT), Carl Wilson (PHI), Curt Wright (OAK), Russ Maloney (ANH), Doc Law (ATL), Chappie Burns (HOU)
 
2J
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      Tue, Jul 31, 00:12 		wow! nice stuff BPG, thanks!
 
3Rogue's Strikers
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      Tue, Jul 31, 01:33 		Nice job BPG. My favorite part had to be: "Los Angeles is the biggest winner of this year's draft." hehe...

Its also neat to be able to look back and "see where they are now."
 
4Wammie
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      Tue, Jul 31, 08:19 		Great work BPG. It is great when you do this for us! Thanks for all the hard work.
 
5Sachin
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      Tue, Jul 31, 09:29 		Excellent Job BPG!! By the way, the Muppets were cool as hell back when I was little, maybe that's why I subconsciously had to pick Kermit.
 
6Big Poo Generator
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      Tue, Jul 31, 10:09 		No problem!
 
7TBRaiders
      Donor
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      Tue, Jul 31, 13:54 		Good job BPG.

Even though Lopatka has a fastball 43 points higher then Jones, Jones is two years younger and has 4 of those stars in control versus BB. They are very similar, but I just like that control rating better.

Lots of the picks went like I had them but some went a quite a bit lower/higher then others.
 
8Charles
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      Tue, Jul 31, 17:03 		It seems that I helped out San Diego a bit by sweeping San Fran. I never figured that would happen. Then I cam back down to earth when I saw that I was swept by Tampa Bay. Anybody got another solid starting pitcher!!! :)
 
9Brock
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      Tue, Jul 31, 17:36 		Edd Gulan at pick 24 wasn't a very good pick. A 4-1-4 pitcher is not worthy of a 1st round pick. I would have to give an F to KC. SP's are MUCH, MUCH more valuable than RP's. BPG, do you think I should have taken Jones or Lopatka at pick 19?
 
10Wammie
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      Tue, Jul 31, 17:42 		I don't think sp's are much much more valuable than rp's in the draft.

did any one see the trades that Texas (Charles) made? He traded a guy with 494 average, and nothing else in cats for 4 mil. then turned around and bought a guy with 480 average. the lower average guy is faster, but is also older.

I don't see the upside to that move.
 
11Big Poo Generator
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      Tue, Jul 31, 18:07 		Thanks for taking care of SF for me Charles!

Brock, I would have taken Jones, Lopatka or even Ewing. Ewing was overlooked because he's listed at RP, but he has good enough stamina to start so I rated him as a starter. I upgraded any relievers with 250+ stamina. But I don't really think there's all that much difference between a lot of the pitchers, at least beyond the top 2. It's a crapshoot. Johnson is a solid prospect.
 
12J
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      Tue, Jul 31, 18:41 		As part of the recent trade between Colorado and the N.Y. Mets (McCluskey & Quillen went to Colorado), the Mets will also receive Colorado's Season 6, 1st round pick.
 
13J
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      Tue, Jul 31, 18:45 		I am the proud owner of 3 of these 1st rd picks:

11 Colorado: Tomokazu Pepper RP

The #6 pick on my card, a nice pickup at #11, especially with his great name. Grade: A

22 Chicago(N): Jim Moschitto 3B

My top-rated hitter in the draft (#17 overall), great power/speed combination. Grade: A-

23 New York(N): Roger Miles SS

My third-rated hitter in the draft (#19 overall), a very solid choice here. Grade: A-

Sweet!
 
14Big Poo Generator
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      Tue, Jul 31, 18:56 		Not bad J!
 
15Brock
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      Tue, Jul 31, 21:34 		Pretty weak J.
 
16J
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      Tue, Jul 31, 22:10 		well, I really wanted B.J. Johnson, but he was gone by the 7th round when I would've grabbed him!
 
17TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Tue, Jul 31, 22:44 		I hear he and Bunny Jimenez were college roomates ;)
 
18Worm from Brock's
      Donor
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      Tue, Jul 31, 23:11 		alright if you are wondering "where did worm go?"

well the answer is easy. my little trip out to boston was a little more expensive than anticipated. and i have been working a lot since i got back. have managed to log onto gsb a few times a week and turn down some terrible trade offers. guess some things never change except i am declining them instead of accepting them.

i have been drafting some pretty good players and hopefully i can start competing in this "E"lite league. sometime in the next 4-5 seasons. we'll see though.

i like what the commish has done with gsb. hope he doesnt raise the prices too much as you all know i am paying on a fine from boston Mass.

i'll try and get on sometimes and chat with some of you. but cant promise too much cause flag football is starting at the Y and the worm has to draft the best flag football team ever in the history of YMCA's. maybe my kids can go to nationals this year.

 
19Purple Pimp
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      Wed, Aug 01, 00:14 		update on riddle
464 444 460

BPG just a note he is still improving in all cats.

I made alot of trades.. probally still wont win the series.

 
20Rogue's Strikers
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      Wed, Aug 01, 00:46 		Hey, how many people have hit 3 HR in a game? My boy Denny Reed hit 3 in my 3rd game against Pittsburgh this week. Pretty neat. :)
 
21Big Poo Generator
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      Wed, Aug 01, 01:25 		Sorry about Riddle, and I guess Mutis is improving in GAP too. I did it pretty quickly so I probably missed some other things in the update.
 
22Purple Pimp
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      Wed, Aug 01, 01:49 		no complaints bpg.. awesome work man.
 
23Wammie
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      Wed, Aug 01, 08:50 		Worm,
I hope you are a better flag football manager than gsb manager, other wise some parents will probalby be looking to kick your a$$
 
24Worm from Brock's
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Wed, Aug 01, 11:05 		wammie, i assembled probably the greatest 3-4 grade basketball team last winter and i think i can handle the flag football.

i think a handful of people have hit 3 jacks in one game. nothing really big.

especially if they were playing a team from the NL West.
 
25axp113
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      Wed, Aug 01, 11:15 		Team Salary
San Francisco $101,116,000
Kansas City $92,964,972
Chicago(N) $81,678,666
Chicago(A) $78,643,000
New York(A) $74,800,833
San Diego $70,564,333
Boston $70,295,333
Anaheim $66,230,666
Colorado $66,160,000
florida $64,402,500
Milwaukee $63,910,166
Montreal $63,137,666
Oakland $62,519,833
atlanta $56,058,166
Seattle $51,847,146
Toronto $49,785,333
Cleveland $47,255,000
St. Louis $46,526,000
Baltimore $45,606,667
Minnesota $45,348,166
Arizona $43,215,000
Tampa Bay $42,877,000
Texas $40,453,000
New York(N) $36,985,665
Houston $35,182,000
Cincinnati $33,936,999
Detroit $28,869,333
Pittsburgh $25,850,500
Los Angeles $24,784,000
Philadelphia $24,007,833
AVG $52,012,315
 
26Big Poo Generator
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      Wed, Aug 01, 11:34 		holy crap, sanfran. that is one heck of a payroll!
 
27TBRaiders
      Donor
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      Wed, Aug 01, 12:05 		Mine is actually $64,149,833.

It was much less if you would have taken that poll yesterday. Stemmeyer, Hollins and Williams together now cost 18.8 million a year. I did trade just over 8 million worth of salary but it still rose by over 10 million. That's the reason I am gambling and not signing Alexander to a long term deal. Heck, Nieves doesn't want that much to sign but I don't want to pay anymore salary this season.
 
28Sanfran
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      Wed, Aug 01, 14:15 		Thats ok, it will drop by 25mill next year :-)
 
29Rogue's Strikers
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      Wed, Aug 01, 14:48 		If I can ship off Stanifer I'll have a sub 20 mil payroll. Coooooooool. :)
 
30Purple Pimp
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      Wed, Aug 01, 15:49 		mine is $83,921,000 after the trades i made.
 
31J
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      Wed, Aug 01, 17:16 		I think the payroll info San Fran gets just doesn't include minor leaguers, which should be where the discrepency is.
 
32J
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      Wed, Aug 01, 18:08 		League B Draft Report

This is the funniest thing I've ever read, you guys have got to read this!!!!
 
33TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Wed, Aug 01, 21:51 		Minor Leaguers do not take money from your finances.

San Fran, we can take about 18 million off of yours next year, unless you don't sign Law long term, in which case he will probably still cost 2-3. My guess is that he will resign for 7-8 million a year.
 
34Timing
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      Wed, Aug 01, 22:10 		Sure they do. Minor leaguers are figured into your salary total. If you add up all of your MLB player salaries it will not add up to your total season salary.
 
35Big Poo Generator
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      Wed, Aug 01, 22:30 		I believe the payroll number at the bottom of the "contract status" page does not include minor leaguers. The number on the salaries page (under office) does include them. Since minor leaguers make so little there isn't much difference.
 
36skinneej
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      Wed, Aug 01, 23:40 		I had kept a relatively low payroll for a perennial post season team until last year when I upgraded my bullpen and added some big dollar relievers. It has made a difference in that I'm losing much fewer games late in ballgames and my good starting rotation generally keeps me in most games. It is starting to drain the bank account and I need a WS run to recoup much of the cost. I may have to sell off a few prospects if it gets below 10 mil.
 
37Whitey
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      Thu, Aug 02, 08:28 		J - That is some funny stuff....All Head!!! HAH!!!!!
 
38Wammie
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      Thu, Aug 02, 10:17 		I like BPG's draft analysis much better.
 
39Whitey
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      Thu, Aug 02, 11:05 		Don't be such a hard as$ Wammie....BPG's is phenomenal, but it's based more on player evaluation and projected ability. The League B draft report is comic relief....some really funny crap in there.
 
40Wammie
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      Thu, Aug 02, 11:08 		Don't get me wrong Whitey, the comic relief is good, but I am just saying that BPG's draft analysis kicks major ass.
 
41J
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      Thu, Aug 02, 12:51 		Less Comedic League B Draft report, we had 2 this year, a serious one, and the not so serious one.
 
42Purple Pimp
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      Thu, Aug 02, 19:44 		leage b has a kick ass site i must admit. Im hoping to make outs just as good if not better. Once it goes up if we can get people to different things such as bpg and j does itll make it that much better.
 
43Wammie
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      Fri, Aug 03, 09:44 		PP, I thought Timing took the web page over again. What ever happened to what you were working on?
 
44Whitey
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      Fri, Aug 03, 12:19 		Brock - that looks like a pretty good trade you made with KC...the catcher you got back is almost as valuable as Hernandez (maybe better depending how you look at it) plus you got a good young prospect
 
45Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Fri, Aug 03, 13:02 		I think Florida should file charges against Sachin. Sachin totally violated Florida.
 
46WiddleAvi
      ID: 495161812
      Fri, Aug 03, 16:13 		I needed to lower some payroll plus I had nothing going for me at the moment. I decided to get rid of some payroll plus get some prospects. I was losing money weekly and was close to going bankrupt. My biggest loss was Bellinger because I had replacements for the other 2. So the way I see it I got rid of Rayford who was eating up alot of money and replaced him with someone just about his equal. I would have liked to get more in exchange but I think it was a fair deal as I get his first round pick next season as well.
 
47Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Fri, Aug 03, 16:47 		I don't give a damn what any one says, that trade should be reversed in a min. that trade is an absolute crock of sh!t. the more i think about it, the more 5hitty i think it is.

People look at this trade and tell me that it is not the most one sided trade in the history of gsb.

WiddleAvi, for the guys you gave up, you should all the prospects you got, plus his full draft next year, and his first born son.
 
48Sachin
      ID: 423202021
      Fri, Aug 03, 17:13 		Hey,

I think it's a pretty fair trade. I took on a ton of salary, and gave up some very good prospects, and my first round pick next season. It's probably a little onesided, but not enough to be going crazy about.
 
49Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Fri, Aug 03, 18:39 		Damn the White Sux got slapped around again tonight. ;o)
 
50Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Fri, Aug 03, 19:07 		It's probalby a little one sided is the understatement of the year.
 
51skinneej
      Sustainer
      ID: 159241222
      Sat, Aug 04, 10:56 		So Timing, you picked up Carmody because you need him, or Vic told you I was after him? Doesn't really matter. You know it's my turn to beat you in the playoffs this year! ;)

I was happy with the Hernandez trade. I added another big bat for the playoffs and gave up talent that I was overstocked in. Most of my season 2 NL signings have panned out creating a logjam and I had to move some people to allow for my draft signings. I cut some salary after several deals although I'm still over 5 mil per week which is eating away at my bankbook. I should have enough to make it to the playoffs, but I may have to auction off next year's draft after the season.
 
52Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Sat, Aug 04, 12:58 		Actually I was after Olsen but he decided to keep him. Then he made me an offer on Carmody and we were able to work something out. I'm going for the repeat!
 
53Sanfran
      ID: 38712114
      Sun, Aug 05, 05:45 		Everyone look at GRAMMAS NO hitter, he allowed one run, but still pitched a no hitter, sweet. It was my last game of the week, check it out.
 
54Purple Pimp
      ID: 27633140
      Mon, Aug 06, 02:13 		Damn timing... angels got bitch-slapped tonight
 
55worm
      ID: 4569266
      Mon, Aug 06, 12:00 		what happened in the first game of the week to your team???
 
56Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Mon, Aug 06, 14:24 		Wait a sec, did i no hit you???? ummmmm YEAH
 
58worm
      ID: 4569266
      Mon, Aug 06, 14:54 		that was week 15. get up to date man!
 
59Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Mon, Aug 06, 14:59 		san fran, no offense but worm's team sucks. it is not that big of a deal.
 
60worm
      ID: 4569266
      Mon, Aug 06, 15:10 		finally someone making sense around here!
 
61Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Mon, Aug 06, 15:16 		Yes he does suck, i forgot someone was tanking games to get draft picks, my bad.
 
62worm
      ID: 4569266
      Mon, Aug 06, 15:20 		hey ty ming was successful at it. i cant compete with the stacked teams in the league.
 
63Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Mon, Aug 06, 15:53 		he isn't playing guys who should be in A ball. he is atleast putting a team out there that will win some games.
 
64worm
      ID: 4569266
      Mon, Aug 06, 16:11 		i am playing with what i have. not my fault they suck!
 
65Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Mon, Aug 06, 16:40 		actually it is your fault they suck, you run the team worm.
 
66worm
      ID: 4569266
      Mon, Aug 06, 16:46 		not my fault they didnt pan out. i compare them to the jerome waltons around the world.
 
67Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Mon, Aug 06, 16:59 		worm perhaps you'd have more luck in the Bad News Bears League where you belong.
 
68Purple Pimp
      ID: 27633140
      Mon, Aug 06, 17:45 		(PRVOING BROCK WRONG AGAIN)

Well I'll bring back up the Matheny debate in a month or so when he's having another solid year, you guys won't be able to deny him then. He has a good chance at being an all-star.

Timing - How many guys stayed on first and didn't steal on Pudge but then later scored? Those same guys would have tried against Matheny and over half of them would have been gunned down. Ausmus has done what he's done for 8 games now. Matheny did it last year for 130 games. We'll see how Ausmus handles the staff this weekend when they are once again getting pounded by the Redbirds.

HMM lets see hitting a whopping .226 this year and bitchass redbirds aint going anywhere.........
 
69Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Mon, Aug 06, 17:53 		Dude I'm not trashing my team to start a new draft league because some of you are friggin bored. Screw that...
 
70Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 33732119
      Mon, Aug 06, 20:49 		Agreed. If you guys don't like where your teams are headed rebuild like everyone else has. I didn't spend the last three weeks wheeling and dealing so that we could start over. Looking at the list of teams in the E-mail its pretty easy to see their reasons for wanting to start over:

SanFran: He brought in a stacked team and after winning so often season after season he's getting bored. Wow, it would appear the he actually wants to TRY! (Or maybe he's just worried that he's going to start losing now. That 4 game series sweep I just gave him must have him worried. ;)

Matt G: His farm system is depleted and his MLB team probably won't be able to make it to the big dance any time soon. He needs a massive rebuilding effort so it would be easier to just start over.

Wammie: He's got a contender now, just like he has for the last while, but he sees the writing on the wall too. His MLB players are getting old and his farm doesn't have anything to get excited over. He'll be having to rebuild in two seasons (Maybe why this proposed draft would start only after season 6?)

Purple Pimp: See Wammie.

axp113: He's got a decent MLB team and a good farm system. To be honest, I don't see any ulterior motive here. If I had to guess I'd assume his involvement is because he sees others in the league (4 mentioned above) not being as active so he's trying to do something that will keep them interested.


Until I see that there are others like axp that are actually interested in this proposal my answer is a solid no. Right now it looks like just a bunch of guys who's organizations are in decline and they want an easy solution. Teams like me who have been rebuilding and have a positive future aren't too interested in sucking for another season only to quit when our young guys are starting to do well.

I wouldn't mind joining another league though. If its possible, why not try and see if you can get another draft league started and leave this one as is? It wouldn't have to be all (E)lite managers either, although they would get all first cracks at teams. Just an idea...
 
71axp113
      ID: 346373120
      Mon, Aug 06, 21:16 		I am happy with my team and i would love to keep the one i have becasue in a season or 2 i will win another championship. I just like the idea of starting fresh. And originally i just wanted it to be leage E owners, and any others to fill in the holes, but if no one wants to do it then it is fine with me. No big loss. I dont want to PISS anyone off but a simple yes or no would have done fine, there are no needs to write novels about it.
 
72Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Mon, Aug 06, 21:16 		First of all, I don't have a problem rebuilding my team. I will do it, if we don't start a draft league.

secondly, no one really cares what is going on, we just had the worst trade in the history of gsb a couple days ago, and the only people who cared were vic and myself. - don't be suprised if i choose to rebuild if there are not some one sided trades to the AL West.

thirdly, i had said all along that a draft league would be the most fun, but i also didn't want to leave the p2 leaguers. when axp113 asked me if i wanted to do it, i jumped at the chance to try to get some interest in a draft league.



 
73Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 33732119
      Mon, Aug 06, 21:26 		Sorry axp, but I felt a yes or no only answer would be kind of empty. I wanted you to understand why I said no. No insult intended, I just thought I'd forgo the need for you to ask me why later.
 
74Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 33732119
      Mon, Aug 06, 21:29 		Wammie, its not so much that nobody 'cared' that it was a one-sided trade, just that everyone didn't think it was 'the worst trade ever'. Besides, even if it was, what can we do about it? Both sides were happy about it, and I don't think its possible/fair to ask for a reversal. These things happen I guess. (Think Pedro for Deshields...)
 
75axp113
      ID: 346373120
      Mon, Aug 06, 21:29 		its all good, things just seem dead around here at times and i thought a change could help this league and spice it up.
 
76axp113
      ID: 346373120
      Mon, Aug 06, 21:32 		well the commish has the power to reverse trades, if caught in time.
 
77Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Mon, Aug 06, 21:34 		Wammie shut the hell up and run your damn team. You have benefited from your share of lopsided trades in your clandestine partnership with worm. What a surprise that it turns out you're friends. Unlike your trades with worm, there is no secret handshake wink wink stuff going on in here with other owners. If you can't compete then go take up something else so we don't have to read your crying emails about trades you don't like.
 
78axp113
      ID: 346373120
      Mon, Aug 06, 22:13 		ok, to spice up the league lets have committees?
Since PP is making a new website and is putting a lot of time into it, i think we shoulod give him some help.

Columns
1. division reports(6 people-one per division, once a week)
AL
EAST-
CENTRAL-
WEST-
NL
EAST-
CENTRAL-
WEST-
2. prospects report(analyze the top 25, once a week)
TOP 25 REPORT-
3. awards and stats(once a season, compile and tally)
AWARDS-myself
4. weekly team reports.
EVERYONE
5. Draft Report
BPG
6. Pre Season Picks
TB-he has done them before

the more involved the more fun, any otyher ideas?
 
79BROCK
      ID: 4569266
      Mon, Aug 06, 22:31 		PP - I guess you didn't realize that Matheny has thrown out over 56% of base runners and the Cards pitching staff just happens to be 5th in the NL even with all their problems this year. Who's the dumb ass? Easy, you are. You're still pissed that the Cards swept the White Sox this year. The Cards are still on track to win the Central. There are still 50 games left and with one of the best pitching staffs and top hitting teams in the NL, it's only a matter of time before they are back in first, unlike the White Sox.
 
80BROCK
      ID: 4569266
      Mon, Aug 06, 22:33 		In Wammie's defense, he made no trades with Worm with his current team. You must be confused Ty Ming.
 
81Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Mon, Aug 06, 22:47 		Rogue - no tean of yours will ever finish ahead of a team of mine. Sorry but its the truth.
 
82Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Mon, Aug 06, 23:14 		Thanks Brock for the back up with concerning Worm's team. Timer, you can't think of one rip off deal I ever pulled with Worm. The best deal I ever made with him was for jose vizcaino, the 480 something average, 420 something homer guy for my top 2 pitching prospects in p2. other than that, I made very few deals with Worm's team.

Timer, i was only kidding about dumping players into the AL West for nothing, but now I am going to have to consider really doing it.
 
83Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Mon, Aug 06, 23:21 		Wammerho the fact is that you and Brock had lopsided deals with worm in the past and it so happens that you were all friends and just forgot to mention it. So the fact that you have the nerve to say anything about anybody's trading habits is pretty funny.

I've dealt with your weak ass trade threats in the past so I don't give two sh!ts what you do. What goes around will come around pal.
 
84Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Mon, Aug 06, 23:24 		Timer, you have no idea of any trades that Brock and I have done with worm, because we don't let each other trade with him. when he first started, we monitered some of his trade activity so he wouldn't get screwed, but we never have taken advantage of his team.
 
85Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Mon, Aug 06, 23:26 		Weak ass trade threats, what does that mean? Would you be upset if I gave all of my players to Brock this off season? would you find that lop sided. I could come back and say that i trimmed payroll, and that it was a fair trade. maybe a little one sided, but I am happy with the deal. would that be any different than the florida/houston trade?
 
86Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Mon, Aug 06, 23:30 		Everyone including you two has taken advantage of worm in trades. Brock got Ron Wright from him for about nothing. The fact is you would be crying like a 4 year old if I had been trading with someone in the past and then told you today that we were friends in high school. It would be non-stop whining coming from you.

That Florida manager was looking to deal before Sack Chin ever made that trade. He offered me at least one of those guys a few weeks before the trade deadline. Anyone could have gotten over, it just happened to be Sack Chin.
 
87Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Mon, Aug 06, 23:33 		You do what you want Wammerho. I'll be rebuilding soon and if necessary I can dump off quite a bit of talent into your division without much trouble.
 
88Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Mon, Aug 06, 23:39 		See Timer, Brock and I are not looking to screw over owners. not one time was there ever a deal as poor as the one florida made involving worm. or any owner for that matter. worst trade ever.
 
89Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Aug 07, 00:08 		I guess Sack Chin is just a better manager than both of you. You want to make "fair trades" and he's looking to rake people. Nice job Sack Chin.
 
90BROCK
      ID: 4569266
      Tue, Aug 07, 00:09 		I gave up Jason Shiell, a very good pitcher in P2, for Wright. Get the facts straight.
 
91Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 33732119
      Tue, Aug 07, 00:42 		SanFran, I bet you said that to San Diego a while back too. Why don't you go count your World Series rings... ;)

FWIW, I realize that it will be very difficult to surpass your team. However, anything is possible. I'll be saving your quote for that great day in a few seasons when I can bring it back for everyone to laugh at.
 
92TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Tue, Aug 07, 03:33 		At least there is activity.

You can dig up some old P2 threads if you want to talk about some crappy trades Wammie and Brock made with Worm. Deny it and I will go look them up. I do recall a 19 million dollar a year 2B getting traded and then never even playing.

 
93Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Tue, Aug 07, 05:34 		Rogue - actually i didnt, but you see your a newb, so i would expect nothing but newb responses form you. When you have 15+ season under your belt, and know how to manage a team, then maybe you can pass me. I am deifiently not coming back if i do another 6 seasons after these 6 run out, and like i said you will never finish ahead of me in a season. (leading after a couple weeks doesnt count newb) How does it feel playing a game where you know you can never win our divison. :-)
 
94Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Tue, Aug 07, 08:54 		Ok, that trade you are talking about TB was worm being an idiot. the guy i traded to him would have been one of his best players, but he didn't check his team for a long ass time and didn't put the guy in the line up, which ended up costing the guy all his skill. that trade was a fair trade, but worm just did some poor managing.

dig through the p2 threads tb, i would like you to show us some trades where brock or I ripped worm off.
 
95Worm
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Aug 07, 10:25 		all right here is the deal. i am sure i was taken advantage of a time or two. i only really made 2 or so trades on my own without consulting to someone. (the canseco trade) was one of them.
all of you guys bitched about that one but then the very next day i was getting trade offers from everyone. you guys did the bitching and then everyone tried to take advantage of me after that. the last year in p2 i went to the world series with my team and i was trading pretty much every other day. and it isnt like i had a farm system full of stud prospects i was dealing only 2 or 3 of them were.
 
96J
      Sustainer
      ID: 34451212
      Tue, Aug 07, 10:55 		sorry for the short response, but, I do not have the time to start over. I'd like to continue with what we've got, especially since I just rebuilt, I'd like to proove my mad trading skills actually got me somewhere!
 
97Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Aug 07, 11:29 		Jason Shiell was never a "very good pitcher" in any friggin league. I would love to give up a 33 year old pitcher with one cat under 300 for a 27 year old first baseman who you called "the best first baseman in League E history". Maybe you should get your own facts straight.
 
98Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Tue, Aug 07, 12:03 		Shiell was a damn good pitcher in p2. i remember when brock made the trade for him, in a steal deal of his own i thought.

and the trade you are talking about with shiell and wright was at the end of p2 when people were dumping players for one shot at the title. i don't know why worm was doing that since he was taking that team into the merger, but that is why those deals were being made. and i seem to remember a lot of bitching about those trades in p2. like when p2 traded all his prospects for old players, and every one was pissed. he didn't make a single trade as bad as the one florida made.
 
99Worm
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Aug 07, 12:10 		i didnt bring my p2 team in this league wammie if that is what you are talking about.

the reason why people get pissed is simple....they know they missed an opportunity to phuck someone over and that makes them mad!
 
100TBRaiders
      Donor
      ID: 56426320
      Tue, Aug 07, 12:12 		I went and looked at some old threads. Other then the Ron Wright trade with Brock and just from season ten, I can list two horrible trades Worm made with Wammie. Here they are:

"Tim DeCinces for 10.5 million dollars?? Marginal player with a 469 average rating and the rest sub 300. Batting an awesome .244, which is identical to his SLG. His OBP is less than .300. What's even worse is that his career numbers with 2000+ AB isn't much better. Nobody bitched because it was a scrub catcher vs cash and between two teams that many don't feel are a serious threat to win the WS this year."

"The Bluma deal was horrible. That would be like me giving up Glaus, Austin, Blum and 30 million for Carmody. What makes it worse is that we know that neither of you are bringing these teams. You are trading away all your prospects to win now and that is a Dodgers like move that nobody thinks is fair. The Cubs seem to prefer trading to a few select teams and that borders on collusion."

One of the players in that trade was a 2B making 19 million a year who was in the last season of his contract. I like that last sentence. It was pretty obvious to me and maybe a couple other owners that Worm had a preference for who he traded with.

If any of you P2 folks remember, Bluma was "untouchable" but then he is involved in another of the Iowa Trifecta Trades just days later.

I inquired about Faul when we first came to league E, then Worm offered him to the league. When he told me that Brock was asking about him, I quit wasting my time. I knew that if Wammie or Brock wanted a player from worm, nobody else was going to get him. It wasn't a shock to me when Brock got him.

Maybe the "collusion" was unintentional and just two friends taking advantage of their buddy. Some pals, lol. And worm, I am just calling it like I see it. You have been openly hostile to me from day one. Perhaps if you went back and read the threads when you first joined you would realize that Wammie and me were the only two sticking up for you. Of course, it was just a big game for you and Wammie, but I gave you the benefit of doubt for a long time. Up until you came onto our threads crying about my email to you, anyways.

TB

 
101Worm
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Aug 07, 12:15 		one big phucking soap opera!
 
102BROCK
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Aug 07, 13:10 		Shiell was one of the top pitchers in P2. I believe he was even voted Cy Young one year. Check the past threads. I'm sure it's in there. I made a much better offer for Faul than what you did TB. I told Worm what players to try to get from you and he made you a fair offer but you turned him down. I wasn't going to rip him off and I included a 4-4 star guy(Edwin Diaz) which was my top prospect in my opinion. He was over 400 in AVG and HR going into his second pro yr. He didn't pan out in the end though.

You guys keep talking about this deal and that deal but you have no facts. Name the players and their ratings or stars and you'll see that all these deals were legit.
 
103axp113
      ID: 346373120
      Tue, Aug 07, 13:13 		anyone that has any solid rookies list them, i will try and get the ballots out 2nite for the awards
 
104Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Aug 07, 13:20 		So let's get this straight. When worm has a player for trade, you tell him who to trade for off of other teams? Verrrrrrrrrrrrrry nice. Anyone who ever trades with Brock, let me know so I can help you with who you need to take from his team.
 
105BROCK
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Aug 07, 13:29 		It's only normal to go to the best owner for advice. Worm comes to me and asks me what I think of certian deals. I told him players that he might be able to trade for. I'll do the same for you Ty Ming if you need a little help. I'm a nice guy. Ask me and I'll help you out.
 
106BROCK
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Aug 07, 13:30 		AXP - Brent Butler-SS is my top rookie.
 
107Sanfran
      ID: 27551820
      Tue, Aug 07, 13:40 		Hector Kuilan - is my rookie nomination
 
108Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Aug 07, 13:41 		You are the best owner to get his ass kicked repeatedly by me maybe. You're not even in the top 5 owners in this friggin league, much less the best owner at anything. You two teaming up in trade deals is called COLLUSION.
 
109Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Aug 07, 13:44 		Todd Belitz - Anaheim
 
110Whitey
      Sustainer
      ID: 2543539
      Tue, Aug 07, 13:45 		I nominate Craig Taczy from my team for ROY. He is currently 1 save behind the league leader in the NL:

3-3
4 ERA
39 saves
 
111axp113
      ID: 346373120
      Tue, Aug 07, 14:40 		Donnie Mcgraner - new york(n) add to the list
 
112Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Tue, Aug 07, 14:52 		TB, Tim DeCines being traded for 10 million bucks is not a rip off trade. he had a really cheap contract, and worm had tons of money and wanted to try to get to the WS.

you are right TB though when you say you did give worm the benefit of the doubt. but it was far from collusion and i knew we would tell you guys in E, so there have been no trades with him here, so you all wouldn't get pissed off.

I have no rookies this season
 
113Charles
      ID: 436102715
      Tue, Aug 07, 15:10 		Rookie nomination for Texas....please!!!
 
114Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Aug 07, 16:18 		It is collusion when you and brock are coaching worm on who to trade with, who to ask for in trade, and who not to ask for in trade. I have always been suspicious of the trading of worm with you two and now those suspicions have been validated as truth. Trading with worm has historically been a complete waste of time for a lot of us and now we know why.
 
115Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 33732119
      Tue, Aug 07, 18:49 		ROYN - Eddie Oropesa, RP LA
 
116Purple Pimp
      ID: 27633140
      Tue, Aug 07, 19:02 		ROYN- Joey Cranford
 
117BROCK
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Aug 07, 19:23 		TyMing - quit your bullsh!t whining. How is it collusion by helping Worm out? I'm not going to let him get ripped off by you or anybody else. Because you have no friends to help with anything, I can understand why you don't understand. Go cry yourself a phucking river somewhere else.
 
118Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Aug 07, 19:51 		If you're too stupid to realize the advantage you receive in "helping worm out" with trades, then maybe you should take your big mouth idiotic ass back to college.
 
119BROCK
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Aug 07, 19:55 		I can see the tears now.
 
120Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Aug 07, 20:01 		Brock I have no idea why anyone even bothers with your complete stupidity in this league. I sincerely hope you three amigos take your asses the hell out of here about season 6. We have just found out that you three have been colluding on trades for 10 god damn seasons and you want to tell me what's the big deal? You're a bigger friggin sh!thead than I ever imagined you were before.
 
121BROCK
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Aug 07, 20:06 		Wah, wah, wah. If you have no idea why anyone bothers with me then why do you do it? You have issues that you need to address before you come to this board and vent. Maybe you should take a little break from the computer.
 
122Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Aug 07, 20:09 		A VOID is rearing his ugly head again. A VOID the issues a$shole.
 
123BROCK
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Aug 07, 20:38 		Whatever Twhining. Keep on crying because everyone will continue to make fun of you. I like beating people when they're down.
 
124Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Aug 07, 21:08 		Brock the only thing you could beat is yourself.
 
125BROCK
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Aug 07, 22:27 		That's an original Twhining. Surely you can do better than that.
 
126Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Tue, Aug 07, 22:35 		I can do better than bothering with your pathetic hypocritical cheating ass.
 
127BROCK
      Donor
      ID: 371582223
      Tue, Aug 07, 23:36 		Go preach somewhere else Twhining. This board is for valid league issues not personal vendettas like you always seem to have. It's no wonder people don't post here more often.
 
128Charles
      ID: 436102715
      Wed, Aug 08, 07:49 		You are all cheaters. If everyone puts in their scrub players when they play Texas next season, I will feel redeemed. :)
 
129Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Wed, Aug 08, 10:58 		I knew Brock was helping worm out with some trades. some times worm would email me asking what i thought of a certain trade offer. because after he made a few trades on his own, brock and i relized he didn't know what was going on with the game.

is it against the rules for me to ask san fran what he thinks of a trade offer? that is all worm and brock were doing. worm was asking brock what he thought about certain deals, and worm would often take his advice. or he would ask both us of, and we would both weigh in on what we thought, and he would figure out was he was going to do from there. To my knowledge, Brock has never made trades for Worm.
 
130Big Poo Generator
      ID: 57844423
      Wed, Aug 08, 11:53 		I'd like to nominate Mike Wasdell for ROY, if he is eligible. He was up for only 3 weeks last year (pitched 29 innings).

If he isn't eligible I nominate Ed Savage.
 
131worm
      ID: 30751811
      Wed, Aug 08, 12:07 		gnimit,
i always ask if brock has scouted a player or not. what is the big deal about that? he seems to be the best at knowing what players are doing and if they are still going up in catagories or not. they do it in every league known to man! you forget timing, this is PRETEND just like when you play house with your sister. just pretend! i made that last deal on my own. but i did ask brock to keep an eye on one of the prospects i was after to see if he was still improving or not. it is my fault that i have a busy schedule and cant check it every single day like some of you can on every hour?
maybe the real reason why you are bitching is because you know you cant take advantage of me anymore! hmmmm.....you have had some kind of "woman on the rag attitude" ever since i made that trade with whitey dealing canseco. it boils down to this timing. you are jealous of pretty much everyone in this league. with the exception of me of course right? si si pedro!
 
132Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Wed, Aug 08, 12:28 		i will say that the canseco trade is an example of a trade where worm didn't ask for any help, and i seem to remember every one being pissed about that one, except whitey of course. so you can't have it both ways timing. are you pissed because he has asked for help on trades, or are you pissed when he makes really bad deals?
 
133Whitey
      Sustainer
      ID: 2543539
      Wed, Aug 08, 12:52 		Who was invloved in that Canseco trade? It's so long ago I can't remember..
 
134worm
      ID: 30751811
      Wed, Aug 08, 12:54 		i am sure that is one that you will never forget whitey!
 
135Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Wed, Aug 08, 13:07 		you gave worm some really $hitty prospect who never made it higher than AA i think for Canseco, one of the best hitters in p2.
 
136Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Wed, Aug 08, 13:25 		worm you're clearly not very bright, so I'll spell it out for you. If I had another team in my pocket... I could prevent trades into my division, gain trade information I wouldn't have otherwise, I could undercut trades from your team, I could basically control all of your transactions in my favor, I would know what competitors are looking for in trade that they would possibly never tell me directly, I could undercut other teams in my league by just knowing what they're looking for, and who they have on the block. It would be a tremendous advantage for me to have a sucker like you telling me everything about your trade conversations and doing pretty much anything I advised.

I knew you were never legit in this league with your trades and now you've proved it by your admissions. You've been tag teaming our leagues the whole time and now you're exposed as the lying colluding cheaters that you are.
 
137J
      Sustainer
      ID: 34451212
      Wed, Aug 08, 13:29 		worm, why not just figure out how good a prospect is on your own? Why ask for help? You're never gonna learn....ah, never mind, why bother ;(
 
138worm
      ID: 30751811
      Wed, Aug 08, 13:34 		phuck off timing.
it isnt like i am making trades every day or have trade requests for that matter. the trades i made this year and all my time in gsb all have been legit. everyone knows that. i sure has hell dont have anyone on my ml roster that can be traded and control a division as you are claiming. so brock would have no reason to block a trade into his division.
you are missing the point here. brock never says dont make that trade or anything like that. i ask for his advice on players. from now on then i will come in here timing and get your permission before i consult to anyone regaurding anything that has to do with gsb. my first two seasons in p2 brock helped me with my draft....uh oh did that piss you off too? he told me from the very beginning that there are nothing but rats in p2 and i believed him. i will continue to believe him timer.
 
139worm
      ID: 30751811
      Wed, Aug 08, 13:36 		what about those deals i made this season j? i think i have learned but still consult to have someone keep an eye on a certain prospect for me. i dont have scouts to go out and look at players on other teams. i sure as hell cant log on every ten minutes and look at players ratings.
 
140Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Wed, Aug 08, 14:02 		The head rat and his pack rats. Does Brock help you pick your hookers too? Nice job worm.
 
141Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Wed, Aug 08, 14:15 		Timing shut the hell up and run your damn team.
 
142Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Wed, Aug 08, 14:31 		Awwww poor Wammierat. How ironic that you would scream and bitch about how I ran my team in P2 when you were cheating all along. You want to try a trade boycott again Wammierat? Awwwww...
 
143Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Wed, Aug 08, 14:41 		trade boycott? don't know what the hell you are even talking about Timing.

I was cheating all along in p2 huh? too bad that wasn't the case. just because you guys didn't know we knew worm that doesn't mean we were cheating. also, just because we helped a new owner out when he started doesn't make us a cheater either. we asked him to join the league because if you remember, the seattle team was like a rotating door, and no one would stick with it.

and Timing, I will continue to say how you ran your team in p2 was weak as hell. fine if you are rebuilding your team if you don't want to bring up your best player a season early, but to get guys with under 100 cats is bull$hit and always will be.
 
144Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Wed, Aug 08, 14:46 		I wouldn't expect your hoodrat ass to remember your trade boycott threat. Criminals and liars usually have bad memories.

Just because we were high school friends, pretended we didn't know each other, and helped him out with ranking the draft, making trades, signing free agents, etc. doesn't mean we were cheating. We were just "helping" out. Okaaaay...
 
145Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Wed, Aug 08, 14:58 		oh if you are talking about never trading with you, i didn't for a long time. I have no problem not trading with you in the future either timing.

Timing, I don't care if you don't believe that we were acting in worm's best interests when we were helping him with his team. hell the team he had when he was the M's was horrible. if you remember, that team had tons of owners.

 
146Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Wed, Aug 08, 15:03 		No I'm talking about you trying to arrange a league wide trade boycott of my team. Your memory is worse than I thought. I hear drug abuse can do that to the brain. Maybe you should have "shut the hell up and run your damn team" back then. How funny that you have the nerve to say that now.
 
147Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Wed, Aug 08, 15:15 		I couldn't get every one to boycott your team timing, so i dropped it. i had totally forgotten about that, but I remember now. I wish we would have gotten a boycott against you team, maybe you would have quit.
 
148Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Wed, Aug 08, 15:31 		Pathetic...
 
149Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Wed, Aug 08, 15:39 		Yeah, that's pretty much what you are. I was waiting for some one else to make that call, but you beat them to it. smartest thing i have ever seen you post on the boards.
 
150Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Wed, Aug 08, 15:42 		"Shut the hell up and run your damn team" Wammierat. You are a walking talking hypocritical fool. Thanks for playing Wammierat Jeopardy.
 
151Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Wed, Aug 08, 15:56 		you are putting quotes around what you have already said Timing. Stupid.
You are calling the wrong party a hypocrate, and we all know that you are the fool.

And what the hell is "Wammierat Jeopardy"? What is your game, make up a word and pair it up with a word that we all know, and then assume that it is going to make sense?

Thanks for playing Rureoirqlo Cotton-Candy. I can play that game too.
 
152Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Wed, Aug 08, 16:01 		I've never attacked someone for the way they run their team, tried to organize a trade boycott of that team, turned around and told someone to shut the hell up and run their damn team, and then admitted that I've been colluding with other owners for 10 seasons but it's okay because I was just helping out. LOL Please...

I know your game. Lie, cheat, deny deny deny. It's a terrific game.
 
153WiddleAvi
      ID: 86162015
      Wed, Aug 08, 16:44 		I would like to nominate Elliot Sheafer for ROY. I brought him up a couple of weeks into the season and he finished with 27 HR's over 90 RBI's and was batting I think in the .260's Anyway it's nice to see all the controversy I caused with my trade. If I had not traded rayford I would have had to sell him otherwise I would have gone bankrupt. The only person I wasn't happy about trading was Bellinger...For those who don't know hitters are very easy to come by. I traded 2 hitters and one pitcher and in exchange I got a couple of pitching prospects plus some hitting as well as a first round pick which I am sure will be used on a pitcher. Bellonger was a good pitcher but was very low (295 I think) in Change or Breaking. Anyway I lowered my payroll by 18 mill in that trade which was critical for me and I got some decent prospects and a 1st round pick to boot. I sent an E-mail saying that I was dumping my whole team if possible...I accepted the best offer I got.
 
154Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Wed, Aug 08, 16:49 		There are the Final JPI on the year. The +/- is from week 1 to week 18 so it's not accurate from 17 to 18. All stats will be updated on the site tonight if anyone's still interested.



Rank Team Total Change
1 Giants (102-60) 208 0
2 Padres (109-53) 188 +28
3 Royals (105-57) 185 +13
4 Expos (101-61) 180 +2
5 Red Sox (91-71) 175 +13
6 Brewers (87-75) 161 +20
7 Diamondbacks (94-68) 155 +16
8 White Sox (91-71) 154 -6
9 Angels (98-64) 148 +6
10 Blue Jays (83-79) 138 -6
11 Cubs (85-77) 127 -6
12 Devil Rays (85-77) 125 +7
13 A's (81-81) 112 -2
14 Astros (82-80) 107 -1
15 Twins (82-80) 104 +6
16 Yankees (83-79) 94 -2
17 Marlins (81-81) 90 -14
17 Orioles (77-85) 90 -9
19 Dodgers (70-92) 89 -7
20 Rockies (78-84) 81 0
20 Rangers (82-80) 81 -11
22 Phillies (78-84) 80 -6
23 Pirates (49-113) 68 +1
24 Braves (73-89) 65 -14
25 Mets (69-93) 53 +2
26 Reds (69-93) 39 +2
27 Tigers (66-96) 38 -6
28 Mariners (64-98) 36 0
29 Indians (54-108) 28 -4
30 Cardinals (61-101) 14 -24

 
155J
      Sustainer
      ID: 34451212
      Wed, Aug 08, 17:23 		thanks timing. Glad to see my team somehow improved ;)
 
156Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 33732119
      Wed, Aug 08, 21:15 		Ok, here's my take on 'is worm helping Brock and Wammie to cheat'. I'd have to say that it doesn't exactly look that way. When I came in I traded away Harnisch and Kelleher to the Twins for a top 5 pitching prospect and his 1st round pick. Before I pulled the trigger on that deal, since I was so new, I asked around a bit to see if I was getting ripped off. I got a few responses that all basically said 'Thats a reasonable trade, both sides get what they want'. Now that I know a thing or two about GSB and ratings et al I make my own trades, but I should hope that its acceptable to see that a newbie could use some help.

As for now, I think worm has been around long enough that he can make his own trades. (I believe this is what he said he is doing now anyway.)

If Wammie, Brock and Worm are friends and they talk alot, is that cheating? Its borderline, but its also realistic. Take the Yankees and Expos in real life. Loria and Steinbrenner are great buds. Ever since Loria took over the Expos he has forced two trades on his GM, the Irabu/Lilly-Westbrook trade (ugh!) and the Urbina trade that the Yanks finally nixed. I'm positive that the Expos could have gotten someone better than the fat toad had they shopped Lilly and Westbrook around together. (At the time they were bona-fide top-of-the-line pitching prospects.) Then look at Seattle-Toronto. Ash is such an ass that he reportedly nixed a trade to Colorado of Stewart simply because he didn't want Colorado to ship Stewart off the Seattle. (Thats his idea of 'showing up Seattle'...) He made it a condition of the trade, Colorado refused, and the trade got nixed.

So as you can see GM 'friendships' and 'hatreds' exsist all the time. Its just part of the game. Timing, I can fully understand why your upset over this, just as I'm sure all those other teams who had coveted Lilly/Westbrook were when they saw them shipped off for a POS fatass toad. Its part of the game though, simple as that.

Brock, Wammie, as long as you aren't actively telling Worm 'don't trade for this guy, ask for him' etc. then I have no problem. I haven't seen any evidence of this (except for Worm's first few weeks, which is understandable) so lets hope your not. GM 'friendships' I can handle. Collusion I can't.
 
157Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Wed, Aug 08, 21:59 		But you are a liar timing. post 77
"Wammie shut the hell up and run your damn team."
thought you said you have never done that before(post 152)

Rouge Timing thinks we cheatedbecause we never told people that Brock and I knew Worm. But I agree that it is not cheating to ask people for their opinions on trades. i have talked to many owners in E about possible trades that could be made.

Timing is just a crying little bitch who will say something when it directly effects him. he knows the florida houston trade was one sided but he says that it was a fair trade. again lies.

and timing, why don't you try the same $hit you pulled in p2 in here. for 7 seasons play guys with 100 ratings across the boards and find out if people trade with you.

and more lies, you have bitched at worm for how he runs his team.

i also remember when you thought that because you worked on the league web page, that it gave you the right to dictate how the league worked. you were being an a$$hole, even more than normal, and every one got sick of you, so you boycotted the boards, and it was probalby the most enjoyable time of gsb for most of us. would you please stop posting for another couple of months. I know i would like that.
 
158Timing
      ID: 286591511
      Wed, Aug 08, 22:23 		Wammierat go to hell and die. Unless you're going to start sucking more dick to pay for my team I suggest you take a flying leap. I'll do whatever the hell I want with my team you filthy lying cheating son of a bitch.

Rogue, these scumbags have made suspicious trades with each other in the past. They've used worm's team as a dumping ground for their older, high salaried players. Worm's teams have never had an ounce of competition in this league. They all came in here pretending not to know each other so at the time we could not prove there was something fishy going on with their trades. Well now we can. What makes it particularly funny is that these fools are the first to claim conspiracies any time a big trade goes down. It's the ultimate in hypocrisy.
 
159Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Thu, Aug 09, 08:21 		I don't suck dick Timing, I don't live in TX. I would have no problem buying your team out of E, so we could get some one else in here who is more pleasant to be around.

and suspicious trades were not made in p2. worm just made a lot of dumb moves as an owner, not playing players, and having them lose skills for example. no trade worm ever made with brock or myself is as bad as some trades I can think of in p2, and a few of the trades here in E either.

bitch and moan timing, bitch and moan. what ever happend to "shut up the hell up and run your damn team"? practice what you preach please.
 
160Baldwin
      ID: 4261155
      Tue, Aug 28, 13:38 		My pick of Monk Williams got a 'doesn't look good, check back next year' from BPG. Thot I'd give an update.

Monk was 375/433/453/440 at the time of the review.

Monk now is 431/445/453/440 and still gaining exactly two per day in average. Can someone who remembers Koonts' revised prediction system tell me where he should top out at in ave.?

My second pick that year was Basinski 486/433/407/425...1751 total and still gaining 2 per day in curveball. He's my MR already.

Pretty nice draft for a 'doesn't look good' IMHO.
 
161Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Tue, Aug 28, 14:30 		What season were these guys drafted? what are their stars and initial stats?
 
162Big Poo Generator
      ID: 14857812
      Tue, Aug 28, 15:48 		They were all drafted in season 1. I should do another update to see how some of the other late bloomers turned out. Scheible is at 468 in AVG and still going up.
 
163Wammie
      ID: 20039259
      Tue, Aug 28, 16:09 		pimpster, are you still working on a new web page?
 
164Purple Pimp
      ID: 27633140
      Wed, Aug 29, 21:17 		All the basics are done and stuff, but i am having soeone else put in all teh special effects and stuff in for me and he is on vacation for a couple days. So ill let you know what the situation is when he gets back.
 
165Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Wed, Aug 29, 22:46 		Thanks pimpster