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| Posted by: Shelby-villian
- [111412312] Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 02:00
A thread to put in the 411 regarding our league
and any cool games that are worth posting. |
| | | 1 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 02:03
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The in depth at-bat report is a bit difficult to
decipher- here's my take:
2 12 S.Green 5 Double 2-H 1-H b-2
"2outs, men on 1st and 2nd, Green hits a
double on the 5th pitch, runner on 2nd scores
home, runner on 1st scores home, batter
ends up on 2nd"
Anyway, The Shelby-villians are satisfied with
their 3-0 start, although stud closer Foulke
blew 2 out of 2 save chances! As he is my
most expensive player, he better start
producing...
One memorable game so far... with The
Shelby-villians down 3-4 in the bottom of the
ninth (Foulke blew a 3-2 lead by giving up a 2
run HR), McGwire, bad knee and all, steps into
pinch hit against Nen. Hits the 2nd pitch into
the stands to tie the game up. We win in the
10th on a single by Green, SB, advance to 3rd
on catcher throw, scores on a wild pitch by
Nen!
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| | | 2 | Donkey Hunter
Sustainer
ID: 55220159
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 02:13
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I added up my pitches in Leiter's start and it came up correct so that does seem to be what the 5 means, however it shows up as a zero for intentional walks.
Enjoy first place while you have it Shelby. I'm right on your tail. 2-1 so far and feeling good about my team.
I'm batting .321 right now which is easily good for fist in the league. And it feels especially good since Sosa and Hidalgo are a combined 3 for 26. I doubt I can keep up that pace but I shall try.
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| | | 3 | Purple Pimp
ID: 3638300
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 02:13
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Started out 1 and 2 for me. Borbon blew the game the second game for me in the 10th.
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| | | 4 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 08:10
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3 4-3 losses. Looks like one of those years....
Toral
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| | | 5 | Mariomaniac
ID: 91136511
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 08:51
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Maniac Smallball goes 3-0. Game 1 was a 16 inning marathon. Interesting note, two righty pitchers were each brought in to face only 1 hitter at different points of the game.
Pitching and defense stats are tops in the league (2 GIDP's per game!). And that was with Pudge out for all but two AB's in Game 1, and Hudson hasn't even pitched yet. Offense was surprisingly productive as well. I'm pleased!
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| | | 6 | tduncan
ID: 423452813
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 10:19
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I'm 2-1, only loss to Rany Johnson CG shutout.
Strange thing: in 2 of the 3 games pitchers thow complete games with 0 earned runs (Johnson and Pettitte for me). Not very realistic considering the series was played in Coors.
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| | | 7 | Mariomaniac
ID: 91136511
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 10:54
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Well, Randy Johnson could throw a shutout in my backyard, but Pettitte's performance is unusual. Perhaps the wind was blowing in that day.
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| | | 8 | Bernie H.
ID: 395452711
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 10:56
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Needless to say, I'm not pleased, Maniac. 4 runs scored in 3 games for me. I built this damn game; I think I deserve better! :)
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| | | 9 | Mariomaniac
ID: 91136511
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 11:14
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Pulling your hair out already, Bernie? :) Perhaps you could add a manager's option to have pitchers throw underhanded. I promise I'll use it for our next series!
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| | | 10 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 11:23
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Considering the Phillies scored just 6 (i think)
at Coors over the weekend vs. an
unexperienced pitching staff, I don't think the
results are skewed... yet.
I do find Vasquez 153 pitches thrown rather
unrealistic. Anyway to fiddle with that setting
on your end Bernie?
Shelby-villians face Abbott and Halama
tonight, we should win another series, maybe
even another broom job? =)
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| | | 11 | Bernie H.
ID: 395452711
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 11:52
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One of the reasons we might see very high pitch counts on occasion is that teams in our SOM game tend to carry a small pitching staff; e.g. I'm carrying only 9 pitchers. In the future we'll think about enforcing a higher minimum (right now it's 8).
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| | | 12 | Erik B.
ID: 44811314
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 12:02
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The Dodgers stand proud at 2-1 ...
So, SV and gang, what's the early verdict? Are you having fun? Do you like the game stories? Feedback, please...
-ESB
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| | | 13 | tduncan
ID: 423452813
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 12:05
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But more pitches means more chances of getting hurt... right?
And I sure hope pitchers are not as good on their 140th pitch as they are on their 20th...
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| | | 14 | tduncan
ID: 423452813
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 12:14
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wich brings me to another question:
How can pitchers get injured?
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| | | 15 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 12:15
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Bernie- if the game follows strict SOM rules,
then rule I pasted at the bottom applies.
Basically, after Vasquez hits the 8th inning, he
only becomes fatigued if he gives up 3
hits/walks in one inning or 4 hits/walks in total
of 2 innings. In that game:
8th: 2 H/W
9th: 0 H/W
10th: 2 H/W
11th: 0 H/W
Since the conditions were met, he pitched to
the 11th inning when he became fatigued and
was pulled.
The fault of the game is with rule 4, below, as
11th inning auto fatigue is way too late (in
today's era anyway). For modern day players,
rule 4 should be set at 9 innings. Even
Schilling/RJ won't pitch more than 9.
STARTING PITCHING FATIGUE RULES:
1. If a starting pitcher has reached his
endurance factor inning and he allows 3 hits
and/or walks (disregard intentional walks) in
one inning or less, his POW (Point of
Weakness) begins with tire
batter following the last hit or walk.
2. If a starting pitcher has reached his
endurance factor inning and he allows 4 hits
and/or walks (disregard intentional walks)
over a span of 2 innings or less, His POW
begins with the batter following the last hit or
walk
3. A starting pitcher POW begins if a starter
gives up 5 runs in any I inning, 6 runs in any 2
consecutive innings, or 7 runs in any 3
consecutive innings, In this case the starter
has "lost his stuff". This simulates the
situations in real life where the starter "doesn't
have it", and he is replaced in the first few
innings.
4. When a starting pitcher exceeds 11 innings
in a game. After the 11th inning, the pitcher is
considered fatigue and has reached his POW.
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| | | 17 | Dean
ID: 151132204
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 12:42
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In board game terms, the pitcher gets injured when the DH is up and a 6-12 is rolled. In English, that means he has as much chance to get hurt as a robust everyday player (a guy who has an injury on a "2" or a "12").
The computer game has an option called "pitch count fatigue", which the TSN game also uses. This means that pitcher fatigue is based not on the board game rules that SV accurately describes, but on a more complex system that gradually tires the pitcher based on the number of pitches thrown.
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| | | 18 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 12:48
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But Dean, that just means the "pitch count
fatigue" option is skewed/flawed. 1-0 win in
the 15th inning @ Coors is more realistic than
a pitcher throwing 155 pictches for 11 innings
in today's era.
I think I would prefer the boardgame rules with
rule #4 just changed to 9 innings, that would
work well, IMO.
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| | | 19 | Dean
ID: 151132204
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 12:55
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Hey, I'm not saying it should work that way, I'm saying it does work that way :-) I would really think, though, that the pitch count system would be much preferable, all other things being equal... pitch count fatigue makes way more sense to me, as a concept, than using the rather arbitrary board game rules. I guess it becomes a question of how exactly it's programmed, which I wouldn't know. Naturally, there are other factors potentially involved, such as your bullpen aggressiveness setting, and as Bernie alludes to, the availability of your relievers.
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| | | 20 | tduncan
ID: 423452813
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 14:02
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Anyway you look at it, pitchers doesn't do 11 innings any more.
This needs to be changed, and I agree with SV, changing the max IP to 9 will fix it.
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| | | 21 | Dean
ID: 151132204
Tue, Apr 30, 2002, 14:40
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It might be a little more complex than that, though. It's possible -- probably likely -- that the computer isn't programmed to simply remove any pitcher who gets fatigued. Perhaps in certain situations, it decides that a tired Vazquez is still better than its other options. For example, if your bullpen stinks (and remember that Vazquez is a great pitcher, so even tired, he may still be better than the alternatives)...or if everyone in your bullpen is tired (and with so many relievers these days who are fatigue 1, it doesn't take much.)
Now, in real life, even if you have the Expos' sucky as hell bullpen, you take Vazquez out eventually anyway, because a high pitch outing can cause long-term damage. But in SOM, that's not a worry. So it's reasonable SOM managing to leave him in there in many circumstances. I dunno if that means it should be left alone or not, ultimately... but, I can see why the SOM computer manager would be programmed to play "Stratball". And, I think it needs to have the option to let a guy pitch fatigued sometimes, so you'd have to be careful about changing it.
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| | | 22 | Purple Pimp
ID: 3638300
Wed, May 01, 2002, 01:18
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1-5 now for me.. great hitters and my team is batting .190. Eckstein my starting 2b went down and i have no one that will play second. I cant put anyone there. What would happen now? Anyone looking to trade a 2b :)
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| | | 23 | tduncan
ID: 423452813
Wed, May 01, 2002, 07:25
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I'm 5-1, with a 5 game winning streak. My pitching stuff has allowed only 10 runs since the 0-11 openning day loss.
The Dodgers are my next series, with Pedro not projected to pitch.
A nice finish to one of the games (against PP):
Maccabi came up with the deciding runs in the bottom of the 9th inning with 3 runs using 2 hits. After an out was recorded, Manny Ramirez began the rally when he was hit by a pitch. Jeromy Burnitz stepped up to the plate and he delivered a single. Konerko then lost the ball over the fence for three runs (his 3rd of the season) giving Maccabi the win much to the delight of the home town crowd. Maccabi finished with 7 hits in the victory.
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| | | 24 | Mariomaniac
ID: 1143418
Wed, May 01, 2002, 08:53
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Pimp, you should drop at least two of those $0.5M infielders and find yourself a utility infielder capable of playing 2B, SS and 3B. There are a bunch of those guys out there.
I'm also 5-1, all games so far on the road. Pitching and defense continue to excel, allowing more than 2 runs only once in 6 games.
Now we come home Pro Player Stadium for the first time. Let's see if the ballpark I built this team for was the right one!
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| | | 25 | Dean
ID: 151132204
Wed, May 01, 2002, 10:13
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Not having a backup is an issue, because 1) you won't be able to set a lineup, meaning other people might get benched against your wishes, and 2) whoever does play 2B will be the worst possible fielding rating there, which is very ugly.
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| | | 26 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Wed, May 01, 2002, 10:27
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Nice win TDuncn, nothings worse than having
your starter and bullpen pitch a great game
and have your closer blow it.
Next up are the Ass Hunters who was "feeling
good about his team" until they lost 3 straight.
=) I feel a 2-1 Shelby win tonight.
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| | | 27 | Erik B.
ID: 239592612
Wed, May 01, 2002, 10:35
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The Dodgers will be making a few changes in preparation for its series against tduncan's team ...
-ESB
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| | | 28 | R
ID: 3856197
Wed, May 01, 2002, 21:42
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I'm not in your league but I was wondering what the games look like so far (my league starts this coming Monday).
Does it look like piching and defense is winning games?
Or does power and scoring a lot of runs win most of the games?
I know its early so the results of the games so far show little, but I have till Monday to finish my lineup completely and this kind of info may make me wanna change my lineup a bit. Thanks for any help.
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| | | 29 | Purple Pimp At Work
ID: 26410116
Wed, May 01, 2002, 21:45
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From the first game which isnt much like you said seems like power doesnt mean squat. I have the best hitting lineup IMHO power wise and im last in the league in scoring runes. Like I said before though its way way to early to tell.
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| | | 30 | R
ID: 3856197
Wed, May 01, 2002, 21:57
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Yeah, it seems by reading what has gone on in this thread so far that pitching, defense and speed is winning games. I'm guessing your league started on Monday so only 6 games have been played so far for each team, but thanks for the insight.
By the way, my team is based on power, and thats why I am worried.
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| | | 31 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Thu, May 02, 2002, 12:25
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What a coincidence, "real life" Pirates score
0 runs in 2 games @ Coors vs. Hampton and
Neagle.
Where would you put McGwire in a lineup
when he has a OPS over .900 but a BA of
.145?
Anyway...
I limp back to Coamerica after an "ass" kicking
by the Donkey's. Helton had a hand in two of
the games, with an emphatic 7 RBI
performance in the rubbermatch. The AI made
the right choice in bringing in Cook L(4L) vs.
Helton L(6R) with the bases loaded but the
animal that is Helton still rocked a grand slam
off him. =( Still, 2 of the games were tied in the
8th and one of those was lost on a bases
loaded error.
Back to the friendly confines of Coamerica,
where my OFs can roam. And next time
Helton, watch for the fastball aimed at your
back. 1-2 HBP+injury!!!
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| | | 32 | Erik B.
ID: 239592612
Thu, May 02, 2002, 13:05
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tduncan:
how does it feel to enter the Dogers' lair and come out 1-2?
-ESB
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| | | 33 | tduncan
ID: 423452813
Thu, May 02, 2002, 13:14
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Nice series Erik... Still 6-3 and #1 in the division.
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| | | 34 | Mariomaniac
ID: 1143418
Thu, May 02, 2002, 13:30
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Keep beating the heck out of each other, boys. Hopefully my Maniacs can continue to take 2 or 3 each series and run away and hide by mid-season.
Shelby, be careful with those threats. You wouldn't want to start a bench-clearing brawl that knocks out one of your SP's and forces Tim Redding into the rotation! :)
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| | | 35 | Donkey Hunter
Sustainer
ID: 55220159
Thu, May 02, 2002, 13:59
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Not to be an ass Shelby but in order for Heltons 7 RBI performance to be a rubber match you would have had to win a game. You got swept. :)
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| | | 36 | Purple Pimp
ID: 3638300
Fri, May 03, 2002, 02:11
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2-1 again.. hitters finally start to come around.
Erik or Bernie I think i found a error in the game. In my game 3 Borbon got the save for me but i won the game by 4 runs and im pretty sure he came in with no runners. Might want to check that out.
PP
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| | | 37 | Bernie H.
ID: 19852422
Fri, May 03, 2002, 02:25
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PP: When Borbon came in in the top of the 8th, it was a save situation since you were up by only one run. The fact that you scored 3 in the bottom of the 8th has no effect on his save situation.
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| | | 38 | Lutefisker
Sustainer
ID: 30312910
Fri, May 03, 2002, 08:36
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Has anyone had a pitcher hurt yet? I don't think that it is gonna happen. The injury for the pitcher is on the pitchers batter card... and we are using designated hitters...
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| | | 39 | tduncan
ID: 423452813
Fri, May 03, 2002, 09:22
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Another 1-2 day, road trip finished 2-4. Lineup changes are defenetly gonns be made.
Now it's the Dodgers turn to come to my home (where I'm a perfect 3-0), wich is ironicly Dodger Stadium...
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| | | 40 | Dean
ID: 151132204
Fri, May 03, 2002, 10:03
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In board game terms, the pitcher gets injured when the DH is up and a 6-12 is rolled. In English, that means he has as much chance to get hurt as a robust everyday player (a guy who has an injury on a "2" or a "12").
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| | | 41 | Erik B.
ID: 239592612
Fri, May 03, 2002, 10:10
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I'm in trouble ... Tied for first in the division, but lost T. Clark and B. Williams for my series against T. Duncan. Yikes! Anyone want to trade?
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| | | 42 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Fri, May 03, 2002, 10:40
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Lutefisker- Ever see the King of Hill when
Bobby eats all the lutefisk and burns down the
church? Hilarious. Anyway, one of my Ortiz
bros (Ramon) went down with a 3 day injury n
the 6th inning but made his next start.
Another close series, 1-2 with all 3 games
decided by 1 run. Central division is really tight
but mostly because my hitters haven't really
started to hit yet. Once we get going, it should
be a race for second.
Donkey's are going down tonight cause
Helton won't save you at Coamerica. Burkett
will shut you down!
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| | | 43 | Mariomaniac
ID: 541113011
Sat, May 04, 2002, 13:57
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11-4, opening up a little breathing room...Maniac Smallball is kicking into gear!
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| | | 44 | Donkey Hunter
Sustainer
ID: 55220159
Mon, May 06, 2002, 01:00
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Ok sweep my first interdivision series. Odd stat of the week. First two games of the series I pound out 35 hits. Todd Helton enters the games batting over .400 and goes 0 for 10. The rest of the team is 35-75 for the hot 467 average. Needless to say I guess I better waive him. :)
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| | | 45 | Donkey Hunter
Sustainer
ID: 55220159
Mon, May 06, 2002, 01:03
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And also when does Frank Robinson come in and start levying suspensions. Curt Schilling was getting rocked and hit two of my batters. I can only assume a brawl was started.
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| | | 46 | Erik B.
ID: 239592612
Mon, May 06, 2002, 09:39
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The Dodgers -- getting lucky with a series of close games -- now stand atop their division! Go team.
-E
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| | | 47 | Bernie H.
ID: 395452711
Mon, May 06, 2002, 11:41
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When my buddies and I used to play the SOM card game we made up new wacky ways to cause players to miss time or suffer odd consequences, e.g. player punches out a photographer, player gets caught with sandpaper, player gets kissed by Morgana on the mound... etc...
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| | | 48 | Mariomaniac
ID: 1143418
Mon, May 06, 2002, 12:15
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Some adversity finally hits my Maniac team, as they drop two straight for the first time all season against the Bisons.
Finley and Galarraga both are injured in game 2 of the series, forcing my first roster change. Jacque Jones and his weak hitting, high GIDP butt is dropped, Alex Ochoa gets the callup. This should improve the flexibility of the lineup.
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| | | 49 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Mon, May 06, 2002, 14:49
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Resisting the urge to make changes myself-
my RS/RA is pretty good.. I'll try to ride this out.
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| | | 50 | Mariomaniac
ID: 1143418
Mon, May 06, 2002, 15:43
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Yeah, that'll probably be my only move unless things turn sour in the 2nd half.
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| | | 51 | Erik B.
ID: 239592612
Tue, May 07, 2002, 10:36
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SV:
Salt on the wound time. Your team is very good, but frustrated with management. And now, the Dodgers are coming to town with the one-two punch of Oswalt and PJ ... I pity the fool.
-ESB
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| | | 52 | tduncan
ID: 423452813
Tue, May 07, 2002, 11:27
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I needed a Bullpen change. Way too many blown saves.
Wood is out, Jensen is the 5th starter after a few good long reliefs. B.H. Kim is the new addition.
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| | | 53 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Tue, May 07, 2002, 11:52
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Erik- my team is a bunch of overpaid
crybabies. Enough said.
What's with those +2 arms, I'm going to run
you out of town.
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| | | 54 | Erik B.
ID: 239592612
Tue, May 07, 2002, 11:59
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Hey SV:
My team plays error free. And besides, who needs -1 or -2 arms when you have PJ pitching ...
-ESB
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| | | 55 | tduncan
ID: 423452813
Tue, May 07, 2002, 12:07
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Who's PJ?
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| | | 56 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Tue, May 07, 2002, 12:19
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td- I think he is referring to Mark *P* *J*ohnson
but he's a 1B. Just nod your head and smile at
the crazy manager. =)
Actually, PJ=Pedro...
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| | | 57 | PP AT WORK
ID: 12322119
Tue, May 07, 2002, 18:07
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my team sucks =0
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| | | 58 | Bernie H.
ID: 19852422
Wed, May 08, 2002, 02:07
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Maniac - how's the view from 2nd place?
Methinks "Maniac Smallball" might be a little too small for the big Impaler juggernaut?
:)
but MAN, did you see the hit I took on the injury front? My entire lineup is down; I've never seen anything like it.
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| | | 59 | Mariomaniac
ID: 541113011
Wed, May 08, 2002, 07:20
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Smallball got real small. Might be too small for the park I'm in. 6-9 at home makes the fans a bit restless.
Can't believe I got whipped in Game 3 with Berkman and Drew injured and on your bench. Somebody check those dice!
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| | | 60 | tduncan
ID: 423452813
Wed, May 08, 2002, 08:08
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Allready feeling the positive change... 2-1 on the road against the strong Hunters, with the loss being a 1-0 pitching duo.
But maybe even more imprtant, 5 total shutout innings by the bullpen, and 1st save for Kim.
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| | | 61 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Wed, May 08, 2002, 11:23
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ESB- I pity the fool who starts Oswalt and
Pedro and watches them get shallacked for
12 runs in 12 innings. I would have swept you
but Foulke blows another 2 saves.
Central is the best division with all four teams
with positive RS/RA.
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| | | 62 | Erik B.
ID: 239592612
Wed, May 08, 2002, 11:28
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SV:
You got lucky, son. Pedro will give up seven runs in a start 2-3 times per season, max. Count your lucky stars ...
-ESB
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| | | 63 | Mariomaniac
ID: 1143418
Wed, May 08, 2002, 11:32
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Ugh, just checking the stats for the last 8 games for the Maniacs:
W-L: 1-7
Runs For/Against: 20-45
Batting Average: 49-255 0.192
Not going to win to many games with that kind of dice rolling. It's a long season, hopefully we can turn it around soon.
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| | | 64 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Wed, May 08, 2002, 11:41
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ESB-
Thanks for the insight. While I count my lucky
stars (46...47...48...), I suggest next time you
visit the central division, you talk less talk and
walk more walk. =O
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| | | 65 | Mariomaniac
ID: 1143418
Thu, May 09, 2002, 09:04
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Bernie - Can't stand having first place all to yourself, eh? Time to do some Impaling TONIGHT!
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| | | 66 | Erik B.
ID: 239592612
Thu, May 09, 2002, 10:51
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SV:
Are you ready for Round II? Pedro and Oswalt are a little fiesty after our last series ... The Dogdgers are healthy, leading the league in scoring and waiting for you.
-ESB
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| | | 67 | Bernie H.
ID: 395452711
Thu, May 09, 2002, 10:56
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Figures that with my entire lineup out, I get 2-hit in my first game and got nearly shutout again in the second game. I scored a completely useless run in the bottom of the 10th, down by 5 runs, to escape the 2nd consecutive shutout.
This could get ugly.
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| | | 68 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Thu, May 09, 2002, 16:06
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Erik, time for some revenge after that whuppin'
eh? Tell you what- since I feel a bit bad for you,
I'll sit both Cruz Jr. and McGwire for our series.
Sound fair?
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| | | 69 | tduncan
ID: 423452813
Thu, May 09, 2002, 17:01
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Finnaly, back home. 15 straight starting today in Dodger Stadium, where I'm allready 7-2.
Erik, the probable starters is a very nice addition. Another step forward.
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| | | 70 | Erik B.
ID: 239592612
Thu, May 09, 2002, 17:59
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TD:
That's all Bernie. He's the Strat-O-Master.
-ESB
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| | | 71 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Thu, May 09, 2002, 18:05
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Gotta thank Bernie for adding on the clutch
and ballpark ratings which are very important
in trying to setup your lineup. Also helped me
make some key free agent signings.
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| | | 72 | Mariomaniac
ID: 541113011
Thu, May 09, 2002, 19:48
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Ditto on the thanks, Bernie. Although it will come back to haunt you this evening with my newly revamped lineup.
SV, I was looking at Conine and Ducey, too. Nice pickups. Couldn't find the right spot for them on my team, but I did add Millar and Segui. I'm hoping that will add enough production to my lineup. Couldn't believe the number of "chokers" I had on the roster!
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| | | 73 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Thu, May 09, 2002, 20:32
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Maniacs- Segui is pretty nice but I was scared
off by his injury potential as an everyday player.
Is Conine clutch or what- on a roll of 7,7,9,12
and some A+ dps which work well with my
speed.
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| | | 74 | Mariomaniac
ID: 1143418
Fri, May 10, 2002, 09:15
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Dateline-Miller Park
The Maniacs returned to there winning ways in a BIG way, sweeping the Grammercy Impalers in dominating fashion to reclaim first place in the West Division.
The newest Maniacs were stellar in their debut, with Segui, Millar and Menechino combining to go 12-34, with 9 runs scored and 10 RBI in the series. Bargain pickup Doug Davis outdueled Impaler ace Javier Vasquez in the final game, winning 9-1.
The double play duo of Cabrera and Vina contributed in all phases of the game, combining for 8 hits, 7 runs, 4 RBI and 4 double plays in the series.
The Maniacs look to improve upon their 12-3 road record at Veterans Stadium against the Pembroke Reys.
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| | | 75 | Mariomaniac
ID: 1143418
Fri, May 10, 2002, 09:40
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Many of the fielding and manager stats look like they may have rolled over to zero after 30 games, like squeezes, H&Rs, putouts, assists, gdp, etc.
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| | | 76 | Donkey Hunter
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ID: 55220159
Fri, May 10, 2002, 09:51
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I caught that too. I was looking for caught stealing percentages and they seem correct but the others are definitely off.
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| | | 77 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Fri, May 10, 2002, 10:56
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Anyone at TSN explain what this is about:
"We've discovered some technical errors in
last night's simulation, and we're working on
fixing them. Until then, games 31-33 are NOT
official and are subject to replay. We apologize
for the inconvenience."
Thanks in advance.
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| | | 78 | Donkey Hunter
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ID: 55220159
Fri, May 10, 2002, 11:00
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Uh oh. I can see it now. They replay the games and Sosa hits 4 moe runs for me and you guys are gonna insit on an asterik next to his name when he hits 74 this year and wins the triple crown.
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| | | 79 | tduncan
ID: 423452813
Fri, May 10, 2002, 11:04
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they can't be taking back Sabathia's 1 hitter... damn...
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| | | 80 | Donkey Hunter
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ID: 55220159
Fri, May 10, 2002, 11:15
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Uh oh...looks lke the game have been erased from the opening page.
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| | | 81 | Donkey Hunter
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ID: 55220159
Fri, May 10, 2002, 11:23
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Hmmmm well you got Mussinas 4 hitter back apparently.
I should probably stop hitting reload and just let them work these things out.
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| | | 82 | Bernie H.
ID: 395452711
Fri, May 10, 2002, 12:08
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Sorry about the confusion, folks. Just a temporary glitch. We had to put up that "subject to replay" message just as a precaution in case something went wrong, but nothing to worry about. We're all good.
Bernie, TSN
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| | | 83 | MikeJ
ID: 593113011
Fri, May 10, 2002, 12:57
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Hey Bernie, are you sure you're all good? I had 3 guys get hurt for 2, 4, and 8 games, all in the same game (#33). Two of those guys have injuries on a 2, the other on a 3. I understand there are statistical quirks, but the odds against this are astronomical.
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| | | 84 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Fri, May 10, 2002, 13:29
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MikeJ- recreating randomness on a computer
is *extremely* hard to do, especially when the
variable happens to be 6 numbers which are
simulated hundreds of thousands of times
within a season. The strat-o-matic engine
probably uses an inferior random generator
which shows "patterns" after such repeated
use.
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| | | 85 | Mariomaniac
ID: 1143418
Fri, May 10, 2002, 13:40
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the odds for injury go like this:
odds of a player being injured with a 2: 1 in 216
over 4 at bats, odds of same player being injured: 1 in 54
odds of a player being injured with a 3: 1 in 108
over 4 at bats, odds of same player being injured:
1 in 27
odds of three players being injured, two with a 2 and one with a 3, in the same game: 1 in 78732 (54*54*27)
Pretty slim, but not quite astronomical
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| | | 86 | MikeJ
ID: 593113011
Fri, May 10, 2002, 14:35
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Don't think that's quite right, Shelby, because I don't think you can divide the 1/216 by 4- that's the gambler's fallacy - i.e., the odds of rolling a single 6 on a 6-sided die do not increase just because you haven't rolled one in 1, 5, 10, 200, or however many rolls. The odds can only be calculated for each individual roll, not changed over any set number of rolls. The math you are using would indicate that over 216 at bats, there is a 100% chance of getting injured, or that in any six rolls of a single 6-sided die, there is a 100% chance of rolling a 6.
I could be wrong, and maybe someone with a much stronger backround in statistics can give a definitive explanation.
And I'm not whining about this, I only raise the issue because Bernie mentioned potential technical glitches from last night.
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| | | 87 | Donkey Hunter
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ID: 55220159
Fri, May 10, 2002, 14:45
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Also you would have to take into account that it could be any 3 out of 9 possible batters. Not that Im trying to make the situation more confusing. :)
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| | | 88 | Bernie H.
ID: 395452711
Fri, May 10, 2002, 15:10
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Last night's issues had no effect on the actual outcome of the games. I've played Strat baseball for a long time - I've seen that injury situation plenty of times.
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| | | 89 | Toral
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ID: 2111201313
Fri, May 10, 2002, 15:20
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Likewise, having played Strat a long time -- with dice -- odd things like that injury situation happen all the time (if you get 3 15-game injuries, questions and complaints will be accepted) . There are so many different extremely unlikely things (whether it be multiple injuries, no-hitters, 25-run games, Bob Locker balking 3 times in one inning) that some kind of extremely unlikely thing happens -- well, quite often.
Toral
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| | | 90 | MikeJ
ID: 593113011
Fri, May 10, 2002, 15:25
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No prob. As long as the glitches had no effect in this area, its cool by me. I just wanted to cover my bases.
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| | | 91 | MikeJ
ID: 593113011
Fri, May 10, 2002, 15:45
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Sorry, previous post should have been directed to Mario, not Shelby.
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| | | 92 | Erik B.
ID: 239592612
Fri, May 10, 2002, 16:12
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SV:
May I trash talk to you now that I took our series 2-1? Or will you need another whoopin' before you give the Dodgers their proper respect?
-ESB
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| | | 93 | Mariomaniac
ID: 1143418
Fri, May 10, 2002, 16:29
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Another odd occurrence: $8.88M Javier Vasquez getting shelled for 9 runs in one game while $0.76M starter Doug Davis holds the opposition to one run in a complete game win. I just can't see that ever happening in reality.
Strat-o-matic is a great game, but I always thought the 50-50 split between hitter & batter outcomes was lacking. It seems to give great pitchers too much of a chance to be shelled.
Anybody ever play the old Avalon Hill baseball game? They were too basic with righty-lefty splits, but I always liked the control rating they used to determine pitcher-hitter outcomes. Each pitcher had a control rating from 5 to 9. The flip cards used would then have a number between 5 and 12. If the number was less than or equal to the pitchers card number, you would take the outcome from the pitcher's card. Otherwise the outcome would come from the batter's card.
So the better pitchers would have higher control numbers and therefore would be better able to impose their will on a game. This made the pitching matchup more important, like it is in baseball. You'd want to put one of your better pitchers out there against Pedro, or else you stood little chance of winning.
Not much we can do about that here, just wanted to vent a little.
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| | | 94 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Fri, May 10, 2002, 16:29
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LOL, yes I was wondering when you were
going to chime in. Well, its 3-3 now and I'm
guessing at a couple more series between
the Shelbys and the Dodgers.
Bring on the next whoopin'!
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| | | 95 | Purple Pimp
ID: 3638300
Fri, May 10, 2002, 23:00
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I agree with you. Seems pitchers are getting shelled way to much.
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| | | 98 | Dean
ID: 151132204
Fri, May 10, 2002, 23:42
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The CD-ROM game has an option called "improve statistical accuracy". The help section says that the option "Improves the statistical accuracy of certain players who had extreme performances. For instance certain pitchers such as Greg Maddux allow very few walks. Using this option will enable Maddux to duplicate his real-life dominance in this area. A number of categories are affected by this option including home runs, walks and strikeouts. Also pitchers hitting will be affected by using this option, resulting in less walks and extra base hits by pitchers." I think, although I'm not 100% sure, that TSN is using this option in their simulations. So that fixes the problem that, as you correctly say, would otherwise exist with the 50/50 split in extreme cases.
It's just really a situation where not enough games have been played. The accuracy of the game can only be proven by playing multiple seasons, never mind a few games of one season. Plus some pitchers, especially if they're much worse against lefty or righty hitters, are just easier to manage against in Strat than in real life, because we have 20/20 hindsight about their stats in Strat. And of course, changing a player's stadium or the quality of players around him will change his stats, as it should. Mostly, it's sample size though...
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| | | 99 | Donkey Hunter
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ID: 55220159
Sat, May 11, 2002, 01:40
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My closer comes in in the nith inning, gives up a single to the leadoff batter and then leaves the game. What the...needless to say the next pitcher loses the game.
Two games later the closer comes in to close the game and gives up the game tying run. He then pitches in the 10th and 11th and needless to say loses the game.
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| | | 100 | tduncan
ID: 423452813
Sat, May 11, 2002, 05:48
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Hate doing the job for my division rival, but taking 2 out of the strong idiots (Piazza is unstopable, 4 more homers) just gave Erik a tie for the league lead.
Anyway Erik, check the recap for your 14-7 win. Kind of strange, Sosa's 3 homers aren't even mentioned, and the big stroy is Bobby Higginson's 2 shots...
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| | | 101 | Mariomaniac
ID: 3028248
Sat, May 11, 2002, 09:14
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West division finally gets to stretch it's legs a bit with some interdivision games. Now we'll see who's laboring in the toughest division.
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