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| Posted by: RecycledSpinalFluid
- [211013916] Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 00:55
I just want to bitch about this to somebody so please ignore this... |
| | | 1 | Twarpy
Leader
ID: 23359202
Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 00:55
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Alright.
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| | | 2 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 211013916
Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 01:00
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OK, admittedly this was only my second season in SSB and I have tons to learn about recruiting, but my class this season was flat out rediculous! A total pile of crap!
A +2 as a whole. I had a free and clear lead (0/0) on a hometown schmuck and didn't get him. I had 1/1 ties on 2 guys and a 3/3 (didn't expect to get this player) on another. I finished up with a guy I had 36 RPEs on; another guy I had 76 RPEs on, but was 30 RPEs behind on, and a -1 walkon 6'1" guard (second year in a row getting one of these as a walkon.)
Good lord, I need to figure this crap out!
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| | | 3 | blue hen, almighty
Leader
ID: 27048221
Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 01:09
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Did you offer the hometown guy a scholarship? Did you offer him at least 30 RPE? Might the walkon have been better? And I'm not talking +/- but rather his overall value.
As long as you're tied with one other person, you can't really complain. Well, you can complain, but no one will care. Yes, it sucks sometimes, but it makes it that much sweeter when you get a stud.
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| | | 4 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 27440162
Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 01:28
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Yes I offered a scholarship and had 92 (or so) RPEs. Perhaps the walkon was better, but I still don't understand why I got the walkon over him. Oh well.
The guy I got with 76 RPEs is a decent player so I can't really bitch too much, but basicly I got him and to NAs. Ugh. The interest lights just got a little dimmer.
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| | | 5 | kev
ID: 11438306
Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 01:47
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You get the walkon, who was a -1, because your other player (you refer to him as a schmuck, so Im not sure he was that good, correct me if Im wrong), that you had points on, was worse than this walkon. The computer will give you what they see as the better player, unless you use Priority points.
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| | | 6 | blue hen, almighty
Leader
ID: 27048221
Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 03:41
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You got the walkon because the walkon was better. Simple.
Don't lose interest. This is a very fun game.
Let's think about what you did last year that you'll look to improve on. Losing 1/1, 1/1, and 3/3 ties is pretty damn unlucky. Were they better than your walkons? Were they in your conference? Did they stay in conference? In hometown? There are a lot of reasons.
Give it a chance.
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| | | 7 | Flying Polack
ID: 275541920
Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 09:46
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Quick recruiting question. There are 2 computer teams in my conference and I was wondering how it recruits. Do they automatically max their hometown recruits, or the Top 3 in the whole system. Do they even recruit or do they just take walk-ons? I'd appreciate any insight.
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| | | 8 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 17:14
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Yes, they recruit, but I have yet to see a CPU team sign a hometown stud. In my experience, you really don't have to worry about losing a player to the hometown CPU team.
However, you are not the only one who sees these CPU teams. CPU hometowns tend to draw more attention because many coaches realize they will not have to compete with the hometown coach. Just a heads up.
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| | | 9 | Dan
Sustainer
ID: 0229323
Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 20:34
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RSF!!! You're alive!!! Where the heck have you been? ;-)
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| | | 10 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 42121814
Tue, Jun 25, 2002, 13:56
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OK, is it safe to say that recruiting OOC is a total crapshoot and a near waste of time (or to expect the least return on RPEs)?
Live and learn. The three ties were all OOCs who stayed in conference. The 1/1's were not superstars, but semi-quality guys.
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| | | 11 | Ichiro
ID: 235272
Wed, Jun 26, 2002, 03:46
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I've actually had more success with out-of-conference ties than in-conference ties. In the past 2 seasons, I've won 3 OOC tie breakers (2 3-way ties and 1 4-way tie), and have yet to win an in-conf tie. I had a nice hometowner the past season(Reese Goodwin 6-8 E- sht/G+ Def/G+ Hnds/E+ Reb/G+ Ath), and I lost him to a computer team, who happened to be out-of-conf. OOC ties don't seem too tough to win. Then again, I've only been playing for 3 seasons, so maybe this isn't an accurate representation of how tie-breakers actually work. Maybe I was just really lucky on the OOC recruits.
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| | | 12 | blue hen, almighty
ID: 473133021
Wed, Jun 26, 2002, 11:28
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Mach is right, mostly. The truth of the matter is that you have more flexibility going out of conference. You can find exactly the player you want. My league 4 conference has had a dearth of talent lately, so I've gone outside. While your odds of getting a guy are better in conference, going out gives you a better chance to get a smaller tie, and a better chance to win it.
I'd like to take this chance to let everyone know that I am going to max Seadler from Conf 4, so you know you'll have another one added to the tie if you decide to max him.
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| | | 13 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 27440162
Wed, Jun 26, 2002, 12:24
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Hmmm. I just must be the SSB OOC Recruiting anti-christ.
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| | | 14 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Wed, Jun 26, 2002, 13:12
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I think I've beaten the recruiting horse to death, but here's a quick recap of my team...
B. Henson: OOC 0/0 (Max)
M. Priddy: IC 0/0 (Max)
R. Edens: OOC 0/0
W. Henson: IC, HTer 1/1 (Max) (151 RPE)
D. Larimore: IC 0/0 (Max)
D. Beasley: OOC 0/0 (Max)
M. Darnell: OOC 0/0
E. Tapp: OOC 0/0
N. Lynch: OOC 0/0
M. Gabriel: IC 1/1 (Max) (151 RPE)
P. Deatrick: IC 0/0
D. Clinton: OOC 1/1 (Max) (151 RPE)
75% of my team was uncontested. Of those that were uncontested, only 44% were maxes. I think my team is pretty decent and is relatively talented. I have chosen to use Gainesville as an example of why it is imperative to have backups. On my entire roster, I only have three players that I spent the maximum number of points on. I am obviously no master recruiter, but I covered my rear because Gainesville has gotten to the point that it cannot win any ties. My biggest piece of advice is to look for what might be diamonds in the rough and get as many backups as you can. Winning ties is a great deal of luck and a luxury. Try to be prepared when your luck runs out.
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| | | 15 | blue hen, almighty
ID: 473133021
Wed, Jun 26, 2002, 15:09
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Huh huh, heh heh, you said imperative.
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| | | 16 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Wed, Jun 26, 2002, 17:09
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That's a 25 cent word.
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| | | 17 | VIDevilRays
Leader
ID: 22947267
Wed, Jun 26, 2002, 17:58
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Anyone in these conferences recruiting these guys?
Sadler-Conf 31-Toral/kev
Massey-Conf 10-Matt
Winston-Conf 9-RSF
Nett-Conf 6-Raz
Veltman-Conf 18-Beezer/Spyce
Not decided on these guys yet but if any of you guys are maxing them I will drop them now.
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| | | 18 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 23520518
Wed, Jun 26, 2002, 18:12
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Won't know until tomorrow. I personally don't mind if you recruit in my conference anyway. This is college ball, not pro ball with "operating territories". :)
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| | | 19 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 42121814
Wed, Jun 26, 2002, 18:21
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I'll tell you after tonight. I know he was on the teeter between Maxing and Getting-The-LeftOvers. I wanted to do some final analyzing tonight. (I'll run the recruiting thing tonight and post a DL link for all non-Excel97 guys).
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| | | 20 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 42121814
Wed, Jun 26, 2002, 18:24
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G Dogg, if not too invasive (as I think most of my questions are), around how many RPEs (on average) did you use on the Non-Maxes? Also, did they follow your "Go By the Stats not the Attribs" philosophy?
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| | | 21 | kev
ID: 11438306
Wed, Jun 26, 2002, 18:34
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VID
Sadler is being maxxed by me. But if you still want to max him, be my guest.
blue hen
You maxing Noah Allegier? Or do you know yet? Thanks
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| | | 22 | VID
ID: 6249266
Wed, Jun 26, 2002, 18:54
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Thanks for responding guys. kev/rsf-I'll go elsewhere.
And thanks rsf for posting for us non-Excel guys!
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| | | 23 | Raz
ID: 35523622
Wed, Jun 26, 2002, 19:01
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VID,
Nett will be getting the max treatment from me. It's hard to pass up all those E's...
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| | | 24 | Flying Polack
ID: 275541920
Wed, Jun 26, 2002, 19:33
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RSF- This is my 4th season of recruiting and I've come up with a strategy that I think works well.
After my first two seasons I was really upset because in weeks 1-3 I was spending the 9 and 6 RPE's on guys who were maxed. In my opinion this is a complete waste.
Starting with my last class I maxed 4 guys, and I put 1 RPE on 15 other guys (to get the bonus points.) I also gave out between 10 and 12 scholarships. This gives me a base of about 30 guys.
In weeks 2 and 3 I only max my 4 guys. When week 4 rolls around and the W/3-W/12 are released I now have 113 RPE's. Now I can only concentrate on guys who haven't been maxed by another team.
One key to this strategy, (which worked for me last season) is that 1 or preferably 2 of my maxes aren't being maxed by anyone else. This allows for additional flexibility.
Even if I have to continue maxing all four players, I can give 3 players 9 RPE's for the next 2 weeks, instead of one player 9 and one 6.
Like I said earlier, this strategy worked really well last year. I was able to get 3 clear leads, 1 non max tie, plus my 4 maxes (one of which was uncontested which really helped).
Any questions?
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| | | 25 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 27440162
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 03:42
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SSB Recruiting.ZIP
Let me know if you want this in some other format (like a CSV or something).
Also working on a format so the data is a web based format.
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| | | 26 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 12:14
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RSF, of the non-maxes that receive PT for me (Edens, Darnell, Tapp and Lynch), the average RPE's in the end was somewhere right around 40. And it might have been less. Darnell was an E scout +3 and all of his ratings held. I think he slipped through because he was a SG in HS and turned it over 3+ times per game and scored only 14 PPG.
Edens was a monster in HS. He put up probably the best stats of any player I have ever recruited. He was also a G scout +0. So, yes, he followed my stats philosophy. I think he's done pretty well in college.
Tapp and Lynch both came out +2. They both had very similar stats, but Lynch was very intriguing. He grabbed over 6 RPG as an SF in HS. Yet, he is only an F rebounder. However, in games, the guy is just a monster on the glass.
The only player who never received a max out of these guys was Darnell. The other three all required a max (or two) to grab the lead, but all had 16 or 15 RPE on them when w3's came out.
I hope this helps a little and, no, your questions are not invasive. I annoyed quite a few gurupies with my incessant questioning when I first started.
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| | | 27 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 12:49
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Max #1: Ethan Hyde 6-7 out of Columbus. Unless, of course, VID is recruiting him.
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| | | 28 | VIDevilRays
Leader
ID: 22947267
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 13:58
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Nope-looking for more of a scorer from a 6-7 guy-like Williamson out of 20.
Think his steal average will keep up G Dogg?
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| | | 29 | VIDevilRays
Leader
ID: 22947267
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 14:20
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The only ones I am looking at in conference right now are Bogard, Riordan and Simon.
Would like to max Riordan being a hometown boy, but his stats scare me. He's been a listed high school star three times and he may be at the top of most recruited. On the other hand if his stats dont hold up you've wasted a max and boy do I hate that!
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| | | 30 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 14:26
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I hope so, but that's not why I am recruiting him. I also don't want him to ever take a shot while on my team. Can you guess what I am recruiting him as?
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| | | 31 | blue hen, almighty
ID: 473133021
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 14:30
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Kev - I'm not maxing him and you should, if only to muss up my in-conference foes.
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| | | 32 | VIDevilRays
Leader
ID: 22947267
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 14:31
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Point guard? I'll be darned (what I need)! But doesn't his lack of athleticism worry you?
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| | | 33 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 14:38
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Point guard is right. I doubt if that P athleticism will hold. 2 stls/1.6 blocks from a 6-7 PF doesn't look like poor to me. If it is, we'll be practicing a whole lot of speed/agility.
I LOVE that ~5:1 assist:TO ratio. It reminds me of another PF I recruited last season...Dakota Beasley.
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| | | 34 | VIDevilRays
Leader
ID: 22947267
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 14:45
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Good catch G Dogg and good luck. My one concern would be that. I would not think his stats are that misleading for a PF. If you get him let me know what he comes out as.
And if he comes out plus 5 I'll be pissed!!:)
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| | | 35 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 15:20
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G, how many points did we decide to put on Keeting? 6 or 9?
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| | | 36 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 15:31
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6, I thought, but if you want to put 9 I can do that, too.
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| | | 37 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 15:35
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6 is fine.
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| | | 38 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 15:36
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Sounds good.
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| | | 39 | Spyce
ID: 81144414
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 17:02
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Its my first time around in recruiting - are there any stats/attributes that are dead giveaways for max's - is a 7 footer always going to be maxed by somebody? 25+ point scorer? 10+ rebounder? E- shooter with E scouting? - I'm trying to identify some guys that my needs but won't be popular amongst the masses.
RSF - thanks for the spreadsheet - it saves much time - i tried the 'AtAGlance' macro but it didn't seem to work, it highlighted all the players on the lookup page but didn't transfer any info (unless pushing the button emails you all the credit card #s and online banking passwords on my hard drive :)
BTW - after going 0-8 with my League 27 team (abandonned recently to join league 4) and 0-3 pre-season with Independence i predicted a 3-21 season - well, happily it looks like i will be wrong, started 2-0, although it appears i played some bad teams - i'm now predicting a 24-0 season - woohoo!!
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| | | 40 | kev
ID: 11438306
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 17:08
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Just so you all know, here are my max's
Rayshawn Sadler- Conf 31
Leon Reasnor- Conf 31
Noah Allgeirer- Conf 19
Willie Maddux- Conf 31
So far, Carson City is 0-2. Not happy with it. For some reason, Janson Knapp only shoots in the first 10 minutes of the game...
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| | | 41 | beastiemiked
ID: 5153373
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 17:22
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Lowell Leffler conf 21 6-10 listed as a PG
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| | | 42 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 17:55
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I saw him. He looks phenomenal. I thought seriously about maxing him, but like that dude from Myrtle Beach in Lg 1, I was afraid people would stare at thos atts and max him. Go for it. It would be great to have a gurupie get him.
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| | | 43 | Ichiro
ID: 235272
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 17:56
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Thanks for the spreadsheet RSF!
Here are my maxes:
Kareem Ingram -Conf 4
Nigel Seadler -Conf 4 (BH, you have been warned)
still deciding on the other 2
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| | | 44 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 18:15
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I like Gene Oates in Topeka.
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| | | 45 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 18:18
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VID, you don't like Shanks as a possible PG?
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| | | 46 | VID
ID: 6249266
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 18:40
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Not enough d for me G Dogg.
Spyce-anyone with Exc or Good scouting with good attributes will be maxed unless there is some reason they would be overlooked-playing out of position or something.
Also 7-footers get maxed regardless of anything.
Good luck.
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| | | 47 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 583371216
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 19:34
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Spyce and others who want to try the "AtAGlance" thing. Looks like I forgot to have it UPDATE after the sort. Just press the "F9" (or is it "F8"?) button and the data should be updated on that page.
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| | | 48 | Ichiro
ID: 235272
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 19:47
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I just tried the "at a glance" thing and I think it ended up showing another player instead of the one I typed in. The GPA/Ratings/Stats were all different.
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| | | 49 | blue hen, almighty
ID: 473133021
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 21:02
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Nice try VID, but I have 2 7 footers on my roster that were NOT maxed. And that's just league 4.
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| | | 50 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 23520518
Thu, Jun 27, 2002, 23:36
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Fair warning: I'm maxing all 3 of the big studs in C18, those being Collier, Veltman, and Hale. Feel free to join in, as they will be huge ties regardless. One of them plus 2 sleepers will be a great recruiting season.
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| | | 51 | Flying Polack
ID: 275541920
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 00:08
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Does anyone use the total team scouting report to recruit? After 4 season I've just noticed this feature and I'm quite intrigued. Since there is no scout rating how much stock can you put in the report?
Thanks for any help.
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| | | 52 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 01:07
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So far I've got 2 maxes:
Richie Payton - Conf 29
Braxton Morton - Conf 29
haven't seen anyone else mention em, but I know KM is gonna fight me for Morton
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| | | 53 | KM
ID: 4882237
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 03:27
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Morton is mine!
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| | | 54 | VIDevilRays
Leader
ID: 22947267
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 09:20
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Nice try? You make it sound as if I'm trying to mislead the guy, which I'm not. Just giving my recollection, which is that, regardless of attributes or stats, seven footers appear on the most recruited list.
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| | | 55 | Spyce
ID: 81144414
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 09:22
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I will be maxing Veltman and Collier in C18 as well (good luck Beez!) - i will firm up my other maxes later today - i saw that Leffler guy, if i didn't have so many needs (all of which he would fill!) i would definitely like to take a run
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| | | 56 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 12:09
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Max #2: Roland Geer, PF, Charleston.
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| | | 57 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 12:37
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This goes against all my principles, but I'm maxing Goodwin from Kissimmee. I really don't like those .6 steals, but the guy is definitely an E int guy and we'll pray for the other atts.
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| | | 58 | VIDevilRays
Leader
ID: 22947267
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 13:07
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Riordan no. 1. Don't want to do it but he's a hometowner.
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| | | 59 | VIDevilRays
Leader
ID: 22947267
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 13:22
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Williamston Conf 20
Stone Conf 13
Bogart Conf 17
Done and sick of looking at them!!!!:)
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| | | 60 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 13:40
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bmd, are you recruiting Hawkins?
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| | | 61 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 13:49
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my other two maxes
Franklin Deason - Conf 32
Sammy Franks - Conf 32
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| | | 62 | VIDevilRays
Leader
ID: 22947267
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 13:56
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Damn J-I put a scholarship on him-I'll delete it.
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| | | 63 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 13:59
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And my last max, for the moment, is Topeka's Gene Oates. He's in a very active conference (26) but a G scout -2 might scare others away. I'm watching the MB's at SSB for any indication from the 26'ers.
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| | | 64 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 14:04
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Conrad Gutermuth 6-3 PG conf 13
G, not sure. Got 2 maxes left so still looking over everyone.
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| | | 65 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 14:12
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OK.
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| | | 66 | Spyce
ID: 81144414
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 15:04
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Max'g:
Veltman - 18
Collier - 18
Lang - 10
Hardison - 20
If anyone is in Conf 10 or 20 let me know if the last two are a problem (leavin' work at 4:30EST)
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| | | 67 | Flying Polack
ID: 275541920
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 15:51
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Reno is maxing
Daniel Seay- Conf 27
Henry Wiser- Conf 27
Jeffrey Perdue- Conf 27
Lenny Eldridge- Conf 15
Is anyone here from Conference 15? If so are you maxing Lenny?
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| | | 68 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 16:05
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Chris is South Bend in 15.
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| | | 69 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 16:47
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Not maxing Hawkins.
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| | | 70 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 16:53
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Gracias. I am offering him a scholarship then.
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| | | 71 | beastiemiked
ID: 5153373
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 17:57
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Frances Riney conf 12
Ended up going for too many studs. Couldn't find any sleepers that I liked or someone else isn't already on. Oh well, if I don't win any ties I can at least get some good use out of the NA spots.
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| | | 72 | beastiemiked
ID: 5153373
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 18:00
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Owen Dahlem conf 2
Don't think I mentioned him yet.
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| | | 73 | blue hen, almighty
ID: 473133021
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 18:07
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I'm on Hardison. I took off the guy in conf 4 to add him. The rest are in conf 19.
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| | | 74 | KM
ID: 4882237
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 20:54
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Portland is maxing:
Braxton Morton conf 29, who we shall surely strip from San Jose
Shea Bryan conf 29
Rico Sellers conf 13
Edward Paul conf 17
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| | | 75 | beastiemiked
ID: 5153373
Sat, Jun 29, 2002, 04:13
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WTF, 3 of my maxes in the top 10. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dahlem(Mr. #1) is bad, he's in conf only reason why I maxed him. Riney is nowhere near the skill as Leffler, yet he is ranked higher. Ah well, the joys of recruiting.
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| | | 76 | kev
ID: 11438306
Sat, Jun 29, 2002, 04:53
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Noah Allgeier is ranked 49th. I will take that on a guy with his att's and stats with EXC scouting.
Not a player from Conf 31 is on the top 75. I will take that, as my other 3 maxes are all in conf.
And my team won.
A good night!
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| | | 77 | VID
ID: 6249266
Sat, Jun 29, 2002, 09:06
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3 of 4 in the top 75. Expected one-maybe two of them, kind of surprised about Bogard.
No worries since I'll win at least two ties:)
Is it my imagination or does League 4 seem to be getting better with recruiting?
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| | | 78 | KM
ID: 4882237
Sat, Jun 29, 2002, 13:20
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I've definitely noticed that over the seasons, these phenomenal stats with not-so-hot ratings guys seem to consistently be higher on the list than EXC scouts with nice ratings. We all expect everyone else to go after the obvious studs, while we shoot for those potential studs, where you have to look past their initial ratings. The only guy I recruited that has poor ratings with studly stats is number 34 on the list, ahead of lots of other guys averaging over 20 PPG with E or G+ shooting with G defense too, AND this #34 guy turns the ball over more easily than Chris Webber in an NCAA game.
So I'm generally happy, 3 guys not on the list. I think for next season's recruiting I'll just study where the well scouted, goot ratings, good stats guys aren't being heavily recruited and hope to win those 3/3 ties KNOWING that if I even do get the guy that he'll be good.
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| | | 79 | G Dogg
ID: 13631420
Sat, Jun 29, 2002, 17:40
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Only 1 on the list. Terry Goodwin from 8. Not bad and not unexpected since he's in conf.
I feel very good about this season, in terms of recruiting. 3 maxes not on the list and almost all of my "sleepers" aren't on the list, either.
Couple that with the fact that my team is playing some decent ball and I can't complain.
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| | | 80 | kev
ID: 11438306
Sat, Jun 29, 2002, 17:52
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This was my 4th time recruiting (twice in lg 12, once in lg5, and now this), and really, you learn quickly. I screwed my lg12 team by just going for studs the first time around, and only landing one, and getting a walkon.
When I recruited for lg 5, I had 2 guys I was on all by myself. They had horrible attributes, but alright stats. One of the players, ended up being a +4, and will be starting for me...
With my 3 guys maxed not in the top 75 all being in conference, Im hoping this recruiting class goes just as well. Im getting a better eye for recruits.
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| | | 81 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Mon, Jul 01, 2002, 16:17
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6 on Keeling again this week, bmd? Man, he just keeps looking better and better. I'd love to have him, but I'm pretty sure he's all yours.
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| | | 82 | VIDevilRays
Leader
ID: 13539209
Mon, Jul 01, 2002, 16:29
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My question is-is it guesswork or something I don't see?
Just got my recruits in League 6. One guy I was alone on 6-10, avg. 15+ points, 7+ rebounds, 1+ asts, almost 1 steal and half a turnover a game. His attributes were average and the scout was either poor or fair. With these stats, plus good intelligence I though he may be a plus 4. He came in at plus 1. Poor shooting, poor hands, exc intelligence and good athlete.
So what is it that I am not picking up?
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| | | 83 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Mon, Jul 01, 2002, 17:23
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Real quick...the E int negated his poor hands and lowered the TO's. PPG, as I'm sure you know (especially now), are impossible to decipher. The G ath helps his F reb. and also his F def. Because of his athleticism, I'd guess he was able to score many of those 15 PPG on easy putbacks.
I'm surprised by the P shooting as I've never seen someone score so much with that, but I'd guess he's close to being an F shooter. I think he'll still be a solid contributer because of his height, int and ath.
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| | | 84 | kev
ID: 11438306
Mon, Jul 01, 2002, 17:32
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I have picked that up to (what GDogg said)
I have a player who is a Exc Def, with Exc Ath, but only a fair rebounder, but he pulls down 6 to 7 boards a game, just for the fact his defense causes bad shots, and his athleticism helps.
That is the one thing with the attributes- some help others.
Like when Im looking for a PG, I look for Int first, then I hope to find a guy with good hands, that could turn into an Exc.
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| | | 85 | VID
ID: 6249266
Mon, Jul 01, 2002, 18:30
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Thanks guys. Those are pretty significant differences.
He was 174/380 in shooting. Seems to me to be a fair shooter at least.
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| | | 86 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Tue, Jul 02, 2002, 14:55
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G, do you need any safeties in lg 1? If so check out Fenton and Hugo from my hometown.
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| | | 87 | Spyce
ID: 81144414
Tue, Jul 02, 2002, 15:13
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This is my first time around recruiting so i wanted to ask a few questions to get a feel for how to proceed after seeing the Most Rec'd:
1. What do you know about a player if he doesn't appear in the Top 75? Could he still be maxed by 3 coaches? 6 coaches? 15 coaches?
2. Generally, if a player is 10th most rec'd after week 1, where will he be by the end of the year? do top 10 guys generally end up in 3-way ties or more like 12-way ties? What if the player is ranked 60th?
3. To what extent does the Top 75 change over the course of the season?
RSF - i used the 'AtAGlance' with the manual update and worked fine
Beezer - unless i am mistaken Collier didn't hit the top 75 - we could have an inteesting run-off (of course i'm so new to this i have no idea what not making the top 75 really means ;-)
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| | | 88 | kev
ID: 11438306
Tue, Jul 02, 2002, 16:07
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Spyce
After week 3, you have your W3W12's come out, and the top 75 basically dont matter. The W3W12's will tell you
A)How many people are within 3 or 12 RPE's with you
B)How many people your tied with
C)If your trailing, what the highest RPE is on the guy.
If a guy is top 10, Im guessing anywhere froma 6/6 or 7/7 to a 12/12
From what I gather from my other recruiting if they are in the lower half of the top 75, chances are your looking at a 3/3 or 2/2
Not top 75? Probably a 1/1 or a wide open, but you could still get a 2/2.
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| | | 89 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Tue, Jul 02, 2002, 17:18
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I do and I really like both, especially Fenton. How many RPE do you have on them? Thanks, bmd!
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| | | 90 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 23520518
Tue, Jul 02, 2002, 17:31
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Spyce - I too was shocked not to see Collier on there. I'm expecting either 2/2 or 3/3 on him, which is a lot better than I expected.
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| | | 91 | Strike One
ID: 356372421
Tue, Jul 02, 2002, 19:47
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Also, if you are trailing, W3/W12 tells you how many people are ahead of you on a recruit.
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| | | 92 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 49618222
Wed, Jul 03, 2002, 01:00
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91 StrikeOne That's good info.
To add to the "StrikeOne" file, if you have no points on or scholarships granted to a recruit at the top of the most highly recruited list, you are unlikely to get him.
Toral
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| | | 93 | beastiemiked
ID: 5153373
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 01:33
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G, 41 RPE, had 32 on both last week and both were W3-0 and W3-0
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| | | 94 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 14:03
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Put another 9 on Fenton and 6 on Hugo. Still got that carryover visit I'm never going to use.
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| | | 95 | blue hen, almighty
ID: 473133021
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 18:09
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BMD, I gotta ask. Are you getting another #1 class here, without having backups? Damn you're good.
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| | | 96 | beastiemiked
ID: 5153373
Sun, Jul 07, 2002, 17:13
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SWEET, interleague scrimmages are available. I've always wanted my teams to play each other.
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| | | 97 | Matt G
ID: 37722615
Sun, Jul 07, 2002, 21:48
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hey guys, sorry ive been shady, trying to find a job is tough work. But anyhow, here's my story. I have 2 teams most of you know, one is in the talent lite Lg 7 I'm in Conf 15. I ended up 17-7 and lost in the finals of the PTT. I also swept the Major awards, the same player got Player and Frosh of the year. This year looks promising. Needless to say I have a great team, I lost two starters who were only starting cause they were seniors and overachieving all their careers but I had 2 Sophomores waiting to jump in. I'm also in lg 4, Conf 10. I got points on guys just in time to get the bonus 15. I got one of my maxes from last year, i was looking for height and i got it OOC in Jackson Nix. I have a great starting 5 but lack depth, all of my Starters are UnderClassmen except my PG who gets 4.5 Ast and 11pts a game, so I'm looking for PG's or some more height, i think with the good shooters i have, passing may be a downfall this year. I think I'm a class or maybe 2 from having an awesome team. Here is who im after
Stanton 4
Head 7
Massey 10
Vertrees 10
then one guy getting 9
Cummings 10
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| | | 98 | blue hen, almighty
ID: 473133021
Mon, Jul 08, 2002, 16:00
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Atta boy... go after Conf 4 like a wild dog.
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| | | 99 | balls
Donor
ID: 193311316
Mon, Jul 08, 2002, 16:13
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Flying Polack, I'm in league 14 and plan on joing league 4 next
season, but thought I'd let you know that I'm giving your recruiting
advice a go. My last recruiting class was a bust and I thought that
your strategy sounded good. Just an FYI.
RSF, is there any way that I can make your program work for a different league?
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| | | 100 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 42121814
Mon, Jul 08, 2002, 16:33
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balls, just put the correct "Recruiting" URL in the setup page. I use it for Lg 23 also.
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| | | 101 | balls
Donor
ID: 193311316
Mon, Jul 08, 2002, 17:50
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thanks RSF, you still da man!
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| | | 102 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 42121814
Wed, Jul 10, 2002, 12:18
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Wow! I just noticed my first attribute change. A 6-10 Jr with Poor Shooting skills is now Fair. Sweet! I have only been practicing "Mid-Range Shooting" this season for about 3 weeks (I did strictly defense last year). While I doubt the overall shooting skills will be that different, it is nice to see a +5 player on my team.
Also, I may have been too quick to judge my -1 walk-on Guard. My stud Jr SG got hurt so I decided to see what the walk-on could do. In two games, he went 17 for 34. Not too shabby.
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| | | 103 | VIDevilRays
Leader
ID: 22947267
Thu, Jul 11, 2002, 12:30
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I have too many teams and I'm getting rid of Houston in League 18. League 18 is not what everyone has made it out to be, so I will hold onto my teams in Leagues 4 and 6.
Houston's in good shape. It has what I call the Fab 3-right now at SG, SF and PF. It has some versatility and I have leads on some adequate players for next year. It is also signed up for the Bran Muffin tournament.
Anyone want it? Thought I would post here before I posted on the simsports message boards.
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| | | 104 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 17:16
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Did you guys have your teams play each other? I had Reading square off with Gainesville. Reading beat the crap out of Gainesville. The Rabid Chipmunks shot over 60% from the field. I think the DoggyDoggs might be way overrated.
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| | | 105 | beastiemiked
ID: 5153373
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 17:25
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Yeah, got weird results. Youngstown(lg 1) faced Providence(lg 4) expected it to be close with Providence winning by 7-10 points, well Youngstown ended up winning by 2. Did a rematch on Wednesday with a similar score but Providence won by 3. Also scrimmaged Youngstown vs Pensacola(lg 2) thought Youngstown would beat them soundly, of course I was wrong and Pensacola won. Not exactly sure how to process these results.
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| | | 106 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 17:32
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How many points are you putting on Fenton and Hugo? 6 on Keeling again? I think with two of us on Keeling, everyone has been frightened away.
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| | | 107 | beastiemiked
ID: 5153373
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 17:37
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I think 9 on Fenton and 6 on Hugo.
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| | | 108 | Flying Polack
ID: 33771811
Tue, Aug 27, 2002, 10:15
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Balls (Post 99)- Have you tried a whole season using my strategy? This past season was my 3rd using it, and also the most successful. I ended up with 5 0/0 leads, plus 2 max ties. I ended up not using priority points, and I got a +13 class. I was very happy, and would recommend that recruiting strategy to everyone.
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| | | 109 | blue hen, almighty
ID: 473133021
Tue, Aug 27, 2002, 12:16
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Polack... I stick to that religiously, and I haven't gotten more than one walkon since starting it. I've even managed a couple ranked classes.
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| | | 110 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 42121814
Tue, Aug 27, 2002, 12:39
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Hot damn! I WON A TIE! I am now 1 for 8 on Max ties.
Using the "Polack System", I was able to grab a top ranked class. 2 were hometown maxes (0/0s) and third was a late hometown player, one I wouldn't have gotten if not for this system.
On the Clemson Rodans in Conf 23 (where I finally won a max tie), I got a pretty decent class (1 Hometown Stud, a good hands PG, and a walkon [who actually looks decent]). I think I did too much OOC recruiting with this class, but it was fun finding the "diamonds in the rough".
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| | | 111 | balls
Donor
ID: 193311316
Tue, Aug 27, 2002, 13:04
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I just finished my first season using the Polack System with great results. I got a +12 class and ranked 6th in one publication. I'm very happy using that system. At one point I had 4 max ties, but then I dropped off one guy to pursue two others. I ended up getting one of my max ties(4/4) and those two other guys. One guy that I got was a wlkon though. I gave him 70 RPE but did not have any scholarships to offer and he still chose my school. I'll be sure not to get caught without any scholarships again. I like the system. I think it keeps your chances of landing walkons very low. And like RSF said it's fun finding the "diamonds in the rough".
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| | | 112 | kev
ID: 11438306
Tue, Aug 27, 2002, 16:37
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This will be my first year trying Pollack's recruiting. Last year, my recruiting was good, but lucky also. We will see how this works.
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| | | 113 | Jgunnip
ID: 356372421
Tue, Aug 27, 2002, 18:48
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pollack's "system" is what most coaches use, with the occasional exception of maybe maxing just 3 instead of four.
I've done that since my first season (7 seasons ago), and over my eight teams, i've brought in 13 consecuative class of +9 or better.
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