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Subject: RIBC - Regular Season Discussion #1
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Fri, Mar 26, 2004, 10:15
Now that the draft has ended and all undrafted players have cleared waivers, we move on to the season.
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| 114 | smartone
ID: 313039
Wed, Apr 07, 2004, 19:03
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the "0.00 ERA 0.00 WHIP" strategy, aka "Tom Gordon Strategy" is doomed... oh, well, at least I recorded my first K
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| 115 | BZ
ID: 59171020
Wed, Apr 07, 2004, 19:34
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Not in the league but Smartone could just pitch his best
closers, trade the rest of his pitching for hitting, and only
punt 2 categories, no? He'll still probably win ERA and
WHIP.
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| 116 | R9
Leader
ID: 2624472
Wed, Apr 07, 2004, 20:50
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I think that could be a legit strategy. Focus entirely on hitters the first 5-6 rounds, pause for a top closer or two, then finish the entire lineup. Then maybe fill it in with some top setup men to help ERA/WHIP, and as potential closers later. Hitting would have to be near-perfect to have any chance, but it COULD work.
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| 117 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Apr 07, 2004, 20:59
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R9 That's Shandler's LIMA strategy (as applied to draft leagues) in a nutshell I believe, and I think it was first formulated in leagues with no minimum IP. It was designed for 4x4 leagues with no Ks, where it would be even more deadly.
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| 118 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Thu, Apr 08, 2004, 13:43
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oh, well, Pineiro punted my other pitching categories with a "brilliant" outing... back to square 1... :-(
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| 119 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Apr 08, 2004, 14:34
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I just added a new column of stats to the summary page. I've included total ABs for each team.
I did this for several reasons.
1. It might be interesting to see which teams are general the most ABs, and whether that is translating into better hitting stats.
2. I'm hoping to eventually develop a routine that will calculate stats (and probably rankings) over a range of dates. This would allow a manager to see how he was doing lately, and to better assess which categories might be trending up or down relative to the field. To do this, I need to know the basis for the ratio categories during the period. For the pitching averages, I'm tracking total IP, which is the basis for both pitching averages. For hitting, the basis for SLG is AB, which I'll now have. For OBP, the proper basis is PA (plate appearances), but AB should be a reasonable proxy.
It may take awhile to get these "splits" programmed, but I think I should have something later in the month.
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| 120 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Sat, Apr 10, 2004, 21:52
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You guys are way too quiet. Just in case you missed it, I dropped John Burkett, which of course means that Jesse Crain is now available to be taken (when added). I maintain that it was a good pick, but it didn't work out.
I also maintain that John Lackey was a good move.
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| 121 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Sat, Apr 10, 2004, 22:03
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It's hard to get too worked up over things, outside of injuries, this early in the season. I've been itching to make moves on a lot of my roto teams, but I have to keep reminding me that we're still not even a full week into the "real" season. I'm a bit disappointed in Abreu, but by no means am I going to drop him. :)
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| 122 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Sun, Apr 11, 2004, 16:24
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I'll give you Alex Gonzalez...
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| 123 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 00:07
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Any interest in this player of mine?
Qualifies at both MI positions. Looking for low ERA/WHIP pitcher with save opportunities.
H/AB R RBI SB OBP SLG
10/22 5 1 3 .500 .545
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| 124 | Slackjawed Yokel
Leader
ID: 52347519
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 00:16
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Yeah, I was interested in him, but the waiver priority got me. I guess if you drop him, I'll be one spot closer.
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| 125 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 11:02
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I'm off to a flying start. My three "stud" relievers (Marte, Soriano, Valverde) have combined for an ERA of 12.7 and a WHIP of 2.65. My top two starters (Halladay and Contreras) have ratios of 6.63 and 1.58, and no wins.
Bay, Broussard, and now Floyd are all injured.
My replacement for Mark Ellis is hitting .176. I had hoped to claim Womack, but when I checked on Thursday, he wasn't yet listed, and when I checked on Saturday, he had already been taken. Either my memory is faulty, or my spelling is bad, but I'm not sure why I missed him.
This team is mirroring my early TSN experience. I'm have 5 teams, and the highest ranked on is 18th in its division.
Oh well, it's always fun to come from behind.
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| 126 | darkside
Dude
ID: 3590317
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 11:07
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I must say that I find solace in your pitching trials and tribulations, Guru. I thought I'd be set up nicely w/ pitching having taken my first 2 w/ my first 2 picks, but I haven't even gotten a win yet and my ERA is pretty bad.
On the other hand, the category I was most concerned about, OBP, is one of my best. It'll be more interesting once we've got enough points to keep from flip-flopping in the standings so much.
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| 127 | Ref
ID: 27318129
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 11:21
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With 9 pitchers going, everyone should hit 1350. I keep forgetting we have 9 slots that can be active.
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| 128 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 11:28
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With regard to starting pitching, I've had bullpens blow 3 wins away from my starting pitchers. It has happened to Sabathia twice and Mulder once. Talk about frustrating!!!!
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| 129 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 11:46
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Guru - he was on waivers for at least 2 days, so I think you just blew it. I was very concerned you would claim him with your superior waiver priority.
Which reliever would you give me for him? Say what you want about his history, he is smoking hot and will kick the pants off of many MI's in play right now.
I was blessed with a great week offensively. Interesting that even with that great week, I'm still short in RBI, which is going to be a sore spot for me, I'm afriad. I can't believe the steals.....I may be able to trade Roberts earlier than I thought.
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| 130 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 11:54
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I'd give you BJ Ryan for him. Other than that, I think I'll just ride it out for awhile.
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| 131 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 12:10
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Amazingly my grip on first place has held for a week. Wait until I get Nomar back, but by the time he does, KB may be on the DL. I'm a little irritated with myself for wasting my waiver claim on Burks, who is now back on waivers and I would love to have Womack subbing for Nomar right now. However, given my current standings I can't complain too much. Kind of like seeing the Jays bringing in Ligtenberg for the save last night and then seeing him blow it. I am also holding Mauer through his DL stint, and hope that this doesn't come back to hurt me as well. Looking forward to seeing Harden and Jackson join the big clubs, Harden should be here soon, let's hope King Edwin isn't too far behind him.
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| 132 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 12:38
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I tried to research Womack when he first came on waivers and discovered that he was on waivers w/o ever being released. This tells me that Yahoo didn't have him listed for whatever reason. Furthermore, I wasn't about to "waste" my waiver position on a player that had one great game but is a perennial underachiever. My MIs are hurt and I couldn't drop AGonz fast enough. Actually Wilson has done better than Womack anyhow. Reyes should be back sometime soon and Hairston will be back in the next 3 weeks or so. Until then I just have to ride this out. I need pitching but really have no one to give up to get anyone new just yet.
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| 133 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 12:41
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Womack went through waivers, he just wasn't added to the player database until late. I put in a claim for him and received the "another manager with a higher priority" e-mail when he cleared waivers and was placed on Species' team.
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| 134 | beastiemiked
ID: 2601988
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 12:48
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Yeah, he was on waivers. Thought for sure he wouldn't make it as far as Species but I guess a couple of people missed him.
Wilson vs Womack - I'd take Womack's steals, runs, and OBP over Wilson's SLG% and RBI's.
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| 135 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 13:00
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I didn't miss him. I just didn't want him. I don't have faith in his long-term viability. At least not enough to drop someone for him.
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| 136 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 13:09
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Wilson cost me nothing. Womack would have cost me my waiver spot. I can dump wilson if he doesn't pan out, but thus far is red-hot and since I picked him up he's been moved to the 2nd spot in the lineup. If there is an upside, I'd have to think it would be Wilson who has surprised everyone. Well I guess the same can be said for Womack, but take that one big game out and he doesn't jump out me.
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| 137 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 13:26
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I hold no delusions of grandure about Womack. But at the top of a deadly Cardinals lineup with a manager who is not afraid to turn him loose on the basepaths, I am more than happy to sub him in and ride it while it's hot.
That being said, he is quite available to the highest bidder.
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| 138 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 14:08
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That same manager will pull him out of the lineup in a flash as soon as he stops producing. He has viable alternatives. That said, enjoy him while he lasts. :)
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| 139 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 14:27
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Abreu is FINALLY on the board!!! WooHoo! Ugh!
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| 140 | beastiemiked
ID: 2601988
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 14:42
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Lipman: Womack is clearly one of the premier basestealers of the last few years. Fairly recently, he was a regular shortstop with the ability to steal a lot of bases. That's a high draft pick in any league. However, Womack has shown little ability to hit for the last few years, and he should easily hit himself out of the lineup before too long. I hope someone keeps track of how many more times Womack reaches base three times in a game this season, and I can't think of too many players I'd drop to pick him up.
Through his first 6 games he's been on base 3,1,3,4,1,2. So I guess after opening day he's gotten on base at least 3 times in 2 out of 5 games. Lipman, did you put a claim on him?
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| 141 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 15:24
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And obviously the "can't think of too many players I'd drop" comment wasn't tailored to a 16-team league that uses 3 middle infielders.
I've only got 1 trade offer. Keep 'em coming! ;-)
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| 142 | Bandos
ID: 422571916
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 16:54
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Some one in this league had a great write up of Jesse Crain, who I drafted late in the RQL#3. He did not make the club. Any idea why or when he might be added. I am currently saving a roster spot for him and haven't found any info about a possible call-up. With some players on the DL, that spot could be valuable. Any assisstance will be greatly appreciated.
Bandos
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| 143 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 18:00
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I read that Crain wouldn't be added before the 2nd half of the year at the absolute earliest. Don't know if anything has changed since then or not.
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| 144 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 18:11
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BlueHen drafted him and subsequently dropped him (120).
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| 145 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 18:28
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RE:134, bmd, take a look at what Wilson has done since Womack's big day and compare the two. Make sure you include today's games as well. I'm not saying who is better, just that I took Wilson because he was free and Womack would have cost me a waiver claim. Since that time, I have been comparing the two and Wilson has been the better performer.
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| 146 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 19:27
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lol.......nothing like touting your guy on the day of a 3-hit, 1 sb, 1 double game.
Like KKB said about Womack, Ref......enjoy it while it lasts, 'cuz it ain't gonna last!
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| 147 | beastiemiked
ID: 262411016
Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 20:31
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Wilson has been amazing so far this season, there's no doubt about that. He was a great FA pickup. However, looking at career numbers, Womack is much more likely to steal 30 bases than the chances of Wilson continuing to help you in OBP and SLG%. Speaking of that, Womack just drew a walk and stole 2nd.
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| 148 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Apr 13, 2004, 01:00
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I agree with both of you!!! Sure has been better than my draft pick of the Cubs version of AGonz though!!!
Species I was actually "touting" him before his game today. ;)
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| 149 | blue hen
ID: 372102211
Tue, Apr 13, 2004, 10:54
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Amazing. During the draft I thought you guys were such smart managers. But now you're talking about two days worth of stats and pretending they represent anything at all. Wilson will help you in SLG and OBP? Lay off the crack?
Womack can indeed help you in steals, provided he plays. He doesn't even need to get on base much, as a .280 OBP would still get you some steals. In retrospect, he's better than Rickie Weeks or Alex Gonzalez (either), but I didn't put in a claim - too many teams, too much work, blah blah excuses blah.
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| 150 | Ref
ID: 6336139
Tue, Apr 13, 2004, 11:51
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bh: hello kettle, this is pot, you're black! I suggest you re-read the posts a little bit slower so you can actually comprehend what you're reading. Never said anything about helping me in slg and obp, but rather picked him up as a stopgap. But since that time, he has helped me in both of those cats and has even rewarded me with two more steals than Womack. Now yet another MI has been injured and Team Ref is reeling.
This is so early in the season that we are all going to be bouncing around awhile. With a 16 team league, you're going to find a nugget every once in awhile that surprises you and gets you all giddy. So it only lasts a short while. Big deal. What about the supposed studs that managers have been starting every day that have yet to do much? Yet they are continually placed blindly in the lineup, just knowing they will breakout soon? Well with the guys like Wilson, you keep in there until they fall off (or until your injured guys get back). ;)
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| 151 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Tue, Apr 13, 2004, 12:57
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Obviously blue hen has never held a sales position is his miserable life.
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| 152 | blue hen
ID: 372102211
Tue, Apr 13, 2004, 19:12
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I'll sell you, fool!
Yeah Ref, I agree. I need Lasik. And more to the point, you are absolutely right about the small celebrations. I'll never forget the time Billy Wagner got hurt and I was fortunate enough to get Mike Jackson and his four saves that week (then none the rest of the season). Just like I was happy about getting Crain (until I dropped him) Wilson and Womack are good pickups. Not going to make or break the season, but will certainly make you feel good if they do well.
But remember, it's a marathon, not a sprint. I'm looking to acquire Jim Thome and Austin Kearns in every league I'm in. Well, except this one.
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| 153 | StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 12:26
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Is there a place to see the standings for this league that is open to the public? I'd be curious to periodically check in to see how things are going.
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| 154 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 12:46
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It is available on the rotoguru home/blurbs page.
Top right hand side...here is the direct link though:
RIBC Standings
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| 155 | StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 12:58
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Thanks Trip. That page says it all and then some. Species already has 18 SB's. Wow! That doesn't seem possible. Not to mention a .401 obp. Of course, it is still April, as evidenced by catcher stats.
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| 156 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 13:19
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Make sure to tune in tomorrow to see me reclaim first. $*&% rainout pushed KB back a day or I wouldn't have lost it!
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| 157 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 13:43
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StL: Dave Roberts, Marcus Giles, Mike Cameron and Tony Womack, baby! I'm a stealing MACHINE! And no $hit about catchers, they're going nuts!
I'm thrilled to see Nen doing nothing but tossing and Koch throwing pretty darn well....I read he's hitting 97 lately. I may just sneak into a respectable, double-digit finish in saves afterall......with the only investments being 16th and 17th round picks.
Too bad saves is the ONLY bright spot in my pitching. Considering what an out-and-out disaster my rotation has been, I have to count my blessings, which include Grissom, Dunn and Cameron who've been insane.
slack - drop me an email....would like to talk trade......but shhhhhhh, it's a secret.
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| 158 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 16:39
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And Species rejoices!! Matt Clement proves he's a pitcher and not a belly itcher with a nice 6 inning, sub-1.00 WHIP, 7 k, scoreless performance! Hoorah! Hoorah!
Given the poundings I've taken....it's about (bleeping) time.
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| 159 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 17:07
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lmao! This is what I get for celebrating Clement and complimenting Koch:
Kansas City Inning Summary
-B. Koch relieved C. Politte
-A. Guiel walked
-M. Stairs hit for T. Graffanino
-M. Stairs grounded out to first
-A. Berroa singled to center, A. Guiel scored
-C. Beltran homered to deep center, A. Berroa scored
-M. Sweeney homered to deep left
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| 160 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 17:39
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And to add insult to injury, Koch can't even finish the 9th inning.....and the White Sox come back to win off of Leskanic (mainly - at least KKB has to share some hurt) so Koch can't even vulture a cheap win. :(
Woe is me.
Guru - time for a new discussion thread perhaps?
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| 161 | blue hen
ID: 372102211
Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 17:49
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I watched the whole thing. Quite exciting.
Koch really has nothing these days. Guru's Marte pickup is looking better and better.
I will compliment the Herges pick. I drafted him in the ESPN mock in 2002 when he was slated to start the season as the LA closer... until he was traded and lost his job to some other guy.
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| 162 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 19:14
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Gotta love closers... or not.
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| 163 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Apr 15, 2004, 10:11
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Time to advance to discussion thread #2.
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