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Subject: OT: Texas Hold 'em Poker Discussion - V
Posted by: Species
- [26471422] Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 22:49
Other thread getting longer........
A comment for 85th year.......while on the surface your points about playing miniscule-limit tables is reasonable, perhaps you haven't taken THK's situation to heart. He's fairly young and without a lot of money, so he's playing small. I see no harm in his discussing his minor victories.
In a sit-n-go currently. Got pocket 8's twice in a row (ended up folding after the flop on both) then proceeded to get pocket 10's. After a nice raise I had 2 callers. A 8 10 on flop and I bet like 400 or so. Someone goes all in and I call. He had A Q and I take him ou with my set.
Very next hand get A J non suited. End up with 4 diamonds on the board, and my ace is diamonds and I take another guy out. Sitting with the chip lead currently. |
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| 62 | On_the_85th_year
ID: 457421411
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 13:31
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re: 58 Lucky you learned that you have to "protect" your hand at a free game. It's your responsibility to protect, with either your hand, lucky charm or chips. I've seen guys lose hands at major tourneys and large cash games. Like you said you are in the learning phase. good luck.
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| 63 | J
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ID: 049346417
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 13:42
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I've noticed people using chips over their cards, guess now I know why. I just didnt think a dealer would be that agressive to take away my cards unless its obvious I was folding. I know he heard me say I was all in. He even announced to the table that I was all in!!! Then after 2 people folded, he took my cards too. Bleh! Still pissed, but its definitely a good thing it was a free to play game :)
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| 64 | Species
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ID: 07724916
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 13:42
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I do not get a hard on when I get a pocket pair unless it's 10's or better. For me if I don't make my set on the flop I will rarely stay in if there's a raise - if it's a minimum bet I'll stay in and hope I hit it on the turn.
Re: Bad beats - I continue to live by the philosophy that you are going to win some and you are going to lose some. In a general sense I believe in karma and feel that these things even out over time. I will get lucky and take down a pot I didn't necessarily deserve, and vice-versa. You can't go nuts just because you got a bad beat.
I think bad beats are amplified on all-in situations. If you had the advantage when the cards are turned over, any loss is a bad beat. But, in a situation like mine in post #46 - in that case he went all-in with his straight after the turn. He had the advantage.......but if he had more money (I wouldn't have re-raised at that point) he would have been MORE screwed after the river and I would've taken a LOT more from him. Is it a bad beat on the river when you haven't shown your hands? Yeah sorta, but not really - because all of the possible hands are out there, and if you don't take into account that you could have the 2nd best possible hand, then it's not really a bad beat.
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| 65 | Matt G
ID: 19554168
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 15:25
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I'm playing tomorrow with a bunch of people who never played before, this could be good or bad... good because i could play straight up and hammer them, or bad cause i could play straight up and get hammered.... I'll have to see how the cards are falling and what is winning...wouldnt be surprised if a few 2 7's off suit get played hehehe
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| 66 | KnicksFan
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ID: 30815418
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 15:41
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I'm going on Friday to play at a casino for the first time (Turning Stone Casino, near Syracuse). I'll probably play on the $1-$3 Limit tables. I'm not used to playing limit poker...any tips?
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| 67 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 15:46
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Play tight if the table is loose. Don't play if the table is tight.
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| 68 | Matt G
ID: 19554168
Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 10:26
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I'm imagining that this table will be really loose as it is a bunch of new comers... last time i played a loose table i played VERY tight and got beaten badly... this will be another learning experience
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| 69 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 23717238
Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 12:26
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I believe the key of playing a very loose table - is to play tighter than the rest of the table in your opening hand requirements but when you are in a hand raise and raise often. When you make a hand raise...raise...raise...you want to get the best of it when you get your chances. Also suited connectors go up in value at loose tables...those straights and even low flushes can pay off big...limp in with them and hope to catch a good flop.
If you are always opening with better cards than the rest of the table it should pay off in the long run. If you find people catching on to your strategy and you actually get some folding when you raise change gears and begin to bluff and steals some pots...maybe even show a winning bluff to induce some later action.
Disclaimer: anything can happen in a single session...players may catch miracle cards every hand against you. When these things happen people tend to get off of their game and start playing the same junk cards as the rest of the table...I think this is the exact wrong thing to do...always play a solid game.
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| 70 | Matt G
ID: 19554168
Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 16:14
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Chicago I completely agree... play one way till you win that way on a loose table... if you are playing a loose table the better cards will eventually win more, thats how ive seen it... when the table catches on, bluff a few times and show them you bluffed... next monster you get push as much in as possible and take it down big... thats my strategy for tonight we will see how it goes...ill take notes as to what happens.
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| 71 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 30815418
Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 18:09
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Just for play money, but this hand was really cool; my 4 Kings take down a full house of Aces over Kings...
Texas Hold'em $100-$200 NL (play money), hand #295,768,364
Table Blue-Star's HE, 26 Aug 2004 6:00 PM ET
View hand for this table
Seat 1: pokerstud17 ($7,650 in chips)
Seat 2: ElonWins [ KS,KH ] ($4,628 in chips)
Seat 3: pokerfaced04 ($80,645 in chips)
Seat 4: deucer17 ($10,000 in chips)
Seat 5: ChaseT ($23,247 in chips)
Seat 6: SupaStar DJ ($850 in chips)
Seat 7: _Moody_Blue_ ($10,066 in chips)
Seat 8: vuamaohiem1 ($15,147 in chips)
Seat 9: efrainm ($2,798 in chips)
Seat 10: rainhead ($25,693 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
_Moody_Blue_ posts blind ($50), vuamaohiem1 posts blind ($100), deucer17 posts blind ($100), ChaseT posts blind ($100).
PRE-FLOP
efrainm calls $100, rainhead calls $100, pokerstud17 calls $100, ElonWins bets $600, pokerfaced04 folds, deucer17 bets $1,000, ChaseT folds, SupaStar DJ folds, _Moody_Blue_ folds, vuamaohiem1 folds, efrainm folds, rainhead folds, pokerstud17 folds, ElonWins bets $4,028 and is all-in, deucer17 calls $3,528.
FLOP [board cards KD,KC,8H ]
TURN [board cards KD,KC,8H,AS ]
RIVER [board cards KD,KC,8H,AS,9D ]
SHOWDOWN
ElonWins shows [ KS,KH ]
deucer17 shows [ AC,AD ]
ElonWins wins $9,803.
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| 72 | MattG
ID: 307592621
Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 23:26
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I played flawless poker tonight... I played a 9 man $10 buy-in winner take all tourney... STarted at 6pm... $1500 in chips blinds started at 10-20 and doubled every 30 minutes until 100-200. I was playing a loose table, I could tell from the start, lots of crap getting played... Only 2 hands I wish I had back and neither factored in to the end result...
For the first 45 minutes or so I played slow, only going in and watching the flop reaction after 45 minutes I had everyone's style figured out, there were 2 guys playing REALLY tight a guy playing anything with paint a guy who played smart, but bluffed wrong all the time... and then 3 guys who were loose, one who played anything... but he was winning...
So I'm playing tight, taking down a hand here or there nothing big, I win 3 decent pots to put me in top 3 money wise... I'm SMALL blind we get 3 callers plus me and the Big 5 players... I have 6 7 suited deciding I'm gonna see what my rep looks like. Flop comes out... KC 9S 5C I now have an inside straight draw and a flush draw... In early position I check, Big blind bets, guy next to him raises we get a fold and Dealer Calls. I call big blind folds... So three players... I'm just hoping to bluff these guys out on the next card... Turn is the 8 of clubs... I now have my flush plus a potential of a straight flush if i get the 4C or 9C I'm up against 2 guys who only play internet, and are both short stacked... I'm about $100 up so I push all in... I get 2 callers... We decide to flip... Guy to my left has k6 off suit... guy to my right has AJ of clubs... as of right now I'm beat and thinking I'm going home early... River is my 4 of clubs.. I take down a huge pot Knocking out the first two players...
I now have double what anyone has at the table... but I'm playing smart... I get a 47 suited and I'm big blind so I limp in Flop is KQ7 Rainbow. Guy next to me bets heavy... I've read him all night so I'm thinking he made is set, I fold... big mistake... next card is a 4 and the river is a 7.. missed the boat.
So we are still playing and I get dealt K10 suited... one caller to my left. K69 comes out... I bet heavy, he calls, 10 comes out... I got all in he calls, he has K6 next two cards are junk... I have now knocked out the first 3 guys of the tourney...
Playing some more I get an A 10 off suit, I decide to slow play and drag my Boss in as he has been limping around all night and its getting anoying... I know he has something cause as soon as he looks at his cards he lights up a smoke... I call the big blind, we have 3 players, flop comes out AK9 Big blind Checks, I check, boss goes all in, big blind folds, I call... he has K9 I have A10, on the river comes my A and I take another down....
WE play some more and it gets down to final 3 we are now all in the money, I'm dealt AA these guys have been tight all game, if anyone goes more than doublt the blind, they fold... I double the blind, get one caller... Flop is A J 9 He bets heavy like $1000 I call next card comes out, its a J before the card is full on the table, he pushes all in, I look him in the eyes he is wearing sun glasses, I shake my head push my chips in and flip over my aces... Full boat Aces over J...
The very next hand, we are at final 2 I am dealt KK in the hole.... I call the big blind and flop comes up K97 he pushes in $500 I go all in he folds...
WE go back and fourth for a while I have like 6 times the chips he has... he takes 1 nice pot from me to put us almost even I have like5 peoples chips he has 4... We are basically playing the same game, waiting for something to budge... I keep taking down blinds trying to stack up so I can go all in and still have a respectable amount if I lose... Finally we both get a good hand... He raise the big blind $500 I call. I have AQ off suit flop comes out... 9KJ He pushes all in, Its almost 10pm and I got an hours drive home... I call... he has JK He has me by the throat... next card is junk, last card is a 10 I make my straight take all his chips and the money home...
Only hands I wish I had back were the 47 off suit folded but that was expected, and the one hand that he took me I went all in on a q8 off suit and I knew he had me beat from the start, just delayed the finish for another hour...
I only lost that one big pot..cards were coming my way...
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| 73 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 567242622
Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 00:45
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Good job...had a couple lucky breaks but sounds like you played pretty solid. Generally the winner of any tournament has a couple breaks go there way. I would never regret folding 74o...
I had a hand that pissed me off tonight...QQ...flop comes all unders...I make a pot size bet...get two callers...figure I am still good...either on a draws or overs or top pair...turn an A...damn...not the card I wanted to see...both players come out betting and I fold my QQ...river is a Q...double damn...lots of betting...one player has two pair other has AK...would have been a nice win.
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| 74 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 567242622
Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 00:54
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just had a great hand =)
A8 suited...limp in...about 6 people in the pot.
Flop comes 88Q rainbow...slow play, call .50 bet...player after me bets $10...3 next players call $10...damn I know we all do not have an 8...I push all-in...get two callers who call their stacks...i am a little worried...turn-river come nothing...I take down $186...triple me up =) one caller had 8-10 other had Q4.
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| 75 | Matt G
ID: 19554168
Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 09:42
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The only reason I regret the 47 suited was I knew I was going to hit something, the guy did make his set on that hand, but I knew I'd hit something, it was a good read on his set... I didn't have the balls to push him out.
Funniest part of the night was when my boss started screaming that the guy with AJ suited had the nuts... then he realized the 4 made my straight flush... "He got the nuts, he got the nuts... oh SH!T..." Nobody wanted me to win since I was the youngest there... hehehe
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| 76 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 15:37
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You have to love emails like this:
PokerStars Tournament #2476240, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $15.00/$1.00
18 players
Total Prize Pool: $270.00
Tournament started - 2004/08/27 - 01:36:37 (ET)
Dear (me),
You finished the tournament in 1st place.
A $108.00 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
Congratulations!
Thank you for participating.
What's funny was that I LIMPED my way onto the final table with maybe $1000 in chips after a dumbass play of mine took 2/3 of my stack. Most at the table had $3,000, $4000 or more. I let them slug it out for a bit and thankfully survived a pair of all-ins to put me into respectability.
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| 77 | Chuck
Sustainer
ID: 169212110
Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 00:55
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My hand of the night:
PokerStars Game #647965078: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2004/08/28 -
00:39:44 (ET)
Table 'Crux' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Here2Stay ($21.45 in chips)
Seat 2: 20nCrAzY ($19.25 in chips)
Seat 3: zonk22 ($16.50 in chips)
Seat 4: kevin7997 ($23.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Somdog78 ($10 in chips)
Seat 7: ijboipnoii ($15.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Chuck42181 ($35.05 in chips)
Seat 9: JavaDude ($11.05 in chips)
ijboipnoii: posts small blind $0.10
Chuck42181: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chuck42181 [5s 5c]
JavaDude: folds
Here2Stay: calls $0.25
20nCrAzY: calls $0.25
JayLoco joins the table at seat #6
zonk22: folds
kevin7997: calls $0.25
Somdog78: folds
ijboipnoii: calls $0.15
Chuck42181: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qc 5d 6c]
ijboipnoii: checks
Chuck42181: bets $0.25
Here2Stay: folds
20nCrAzY: folds
kevin7997: raises $0.75 to $1
ijboipnoii: folds
Chuck42181: raises $3.25 to $4.25
kevin7997: calls $3.25
*** TURN *** [Qc 5d 6c] [7d]
Chuck42181: bets $5.50
kevin7997: calls $5.50
*** RIVER *** [Qc 5d 6c 7d] [3d]
Chuck42181: bets $4
kevin7997: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Chuck42181: shows [5s 5c] (three of a kind, Fives)
kevin7997: mucks hand
Chuck42181 collected $27.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $28.75 | Rake $1.35
Board [Qc 5d 6c 7d 3d]
Seat 1: Here2Stay folded on the Flop
Seat 2: 20nCrAzY folded on the Flop
Seat 3: zonk22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: kevin7997 mucked [Qs Tc] - a pair of Queens
Seat 5: Somdog78 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ijboipnoii (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Chuck42181 (big blind) showed [5s 5c] and won ($27.40) with three of a
kind, Fives
Seat 9: JavaDude folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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| 78 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 30815418
Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 03:40
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Fun day at the casino...spent my time at the 1-3 spread limit table, started with $60, left with $96. I'm pretty happy with that for my first time playing at a casino.
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| 79 | On_the_85th_year
ID: 457421411
Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 09:52
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RE: 72 "I played flawless poker tonight... "
Are you kidding me? I would be embarrassed to post your hand log. There in nothing flawless about the way you played. In fact I could make a case on all your hands that you played terribly.
I actually thought it was a joke and was waiting to hear the punchline at the end.
I'm not going to waste time evaluating your horrible play, as it appears you are so far into lah-lah land it would fall on deaf ears. But trust me it's nothing to be proud of. You made bad reads put all your money in time after time BEHIND and happen to hit KENO.
This forum is a joke that people read this post and say nothing. Are you all a bunch of yes men around here? Apparently.
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| 80 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 13:10
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Well I know what we aren't: a$$holes.
Anyway, tried to go to a Indian Casino last night because I turned 18 and they had an electrical fire and will be closed for 2 days....GREAT LUCK! lol.
THK
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| 81 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 13:13
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Although...it is obvious some hands weren't played correctly. I count 3 big hands where he was way behind, making very loose calls/bets and hit for the win...
THK
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| 82 | Chuck
Sustainer
ID: 169212110
Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 13:15
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I'm not going to waste time evaluating your horrible play
You could just say:
I'm not going to waste time contributing to this thread.
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| 83 | Chuck
Sustainer
ID: 169212110
Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 13:29
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I will make the argument that flawless poker can be considered the night where even the times you play the hands wrong, you still win.
There will never be the night where you read every player perfectly and know how every flop will come. You will get flops that neutralize your best hand.
If you believe that poker has some luck, playing poker perfectly is the night where all the big pots you are in go your way. It is not just how you play the cards, but how the results come.
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| 84 | On_the_85th_year
ID: 457421411
Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 13:41
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"You could just say: I'm not going to waste time contributing to this thread. "
I'm trying to improve this thread so people can post hands and scenarios and receive feedback from seasoned players and contemplate "what if's". It seems most people are concerned about stroking ones own ego.
This thread is titled "discussion", how about if the posts try to enagage others, rather then wasting all of our times telling us about the night you yelled BINGO.
Then again, we should have another OT titled "Scratch ticket and other similar winnings". Too include but not limited too Bingo, 50-50 raffles, Lotto, One Arm bandits,etc. As that is about the intellect behind his initial post.
Word
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| 85 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 01:10
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Not sure who made you the police of what is 'acceptable' poker discussion, but if you dont like it feel free to leave. We're amateur poker players, and hearing someone say "I'm not going to waste time evaluating your horrible play" is twice as useless as hearing from another amateur who had a good night. This thread CAN hold discussion with a bit of 'bragging'...
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| 86 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 03:51
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I guess this is an example of why they call the low end of the straight the "idiot end". I'm Sirius........
PokerStars Game #650758973: Hold'em Limit ($3/$6) - 2004/08/29 -
03:39:01 (ET)
Table 'Musca' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 5: todd755 ($63 in chips)
Seat 7: Sirius68 ($87.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Lil E-WEE ($58.50 in chips)
Seat 9: DHorle ($32.50 in chips)
DHorle: posts small blind $1
todd755: posts big blind $3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sirius68 [Td Jc]
Sirius68: calls $3
Lil E-WEE: folds
DHorle: folds
todd755: checks
*** FLOP *** [9h 7s Qd]
todd755: checks
Sirius68: bets $3
todd755: calls $3
*** TURN *** [9h 7s Qd] [8h]
todd755: checks
Sirius68: bets $6
todd755: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [9h 7s Qd 8h] [Kc]
todd755: bets $6
Sirius68: raises $6 to $12
todd755: raises $6 to $18
Sirius68: raises $6 to $24
Betting is capped
todd755: calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sirius68: shows [Td Jc] (a straight, Nine to King)
todd755: shows [5h 6c] (a straight, Five to Nine)
Sirius68 collected $71 from pot
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| 87 | On_the_85th_year
ID: 207212817
Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 11:45
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Played in a $50 nl hold em home game last night, $1,000 in chips, no rebuys.
Never played with any of these players before. There were 18 entrants.
3rd hand $10 $20 blinds, I'm BB, dealt 94 os. Flop comes qd jd 2s, I check, player bets $125. Everyone folds. What would you do?
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| 88 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 13:28
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Uhhhh....What are you thinking about?
ALL IN!!!!
DUHHH...even amatuers know what to do there. Dumba$$! ;-)
THK
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| 89 | Chuck
Sustainer
ID: 169212110
Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 16:28
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85th-
I don't get it. Are you a seasoned veteran that you refer to (post 84)? If you are, why don't you bring up something specific to discuss instead of whining about what you deem is a lack of valuable conversations.
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| 90 | Promize
ID: 19742168
Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 18:21
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Any of you all badbeat fans, but Partypoker is up to $157000..
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| 91 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 18:22
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What constitutes a "bad beat" that is SOOO bad you win all that cash? For this very reason I may start playing PP for awhile.
THK
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| 92 | Promize
ID: 19742168
Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 19:44
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Bad beat is a high hand beating another high hand...
So a straight flush beating a lower straight flush...
Or 4 of a kind being beat by a straight flush...
The qualifying hand is nothing smaller then Aces full of kings
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| 93 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 20:00
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My reading of the Bad Beat Jackpot says the low hand must have at least 4 of a kind 8s and both hole cards for each player much be used in the hand. Also at least 4 players must be dealt into the hand.
Wow...chances are very slim to high pairs are going to come on the board with 2 people have pocket pair of those same cards as well. This jackpot may grow for awhile. The best part is 25% of the jackpot is split between anybody that was active in the hand (saw the flop).
Now at $162k
THK
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| 94 | Promize
ID: 19742168
Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 20:07
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Well hell, they must of changed it ... I think they change it each week or so...
Last week it was Aces full of Kings... They made it harder now...
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| 95 | Promize
ID: 19742168
Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 20:08
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Hey, I am on table 661255 come join me.
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| 96 | Promize
ID: 19742168
Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 21:23
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You call this hand don't you?
***** Hand History for Game 893727615 *****
Table Table 14188 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: promize ( $46.1 )
Seat 6: coyotebogie ( $22.5 )
Seat 8: LICAN ( $38.1 )
Seat 10: Kdwheat ( $55.75 )
Seat 5: Sepharo ( $22.4 )
Seat 3: billyb1818 ( $20 )
coyotebogie posts small blind [$0.5].
LICAN posts big blind [$1].
billyb1818 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to promize [ Ks Kd ]
Kdwheat calls [$1].
promize calls [$1].
billyb1818 checks.
Sepharo raises [$6].
coyotebogie folds.
LICAN folds.
Kdwheat folds.
promize calls [$5].
billyb1818 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, Tc, Jd ]
promize checks.
Sepharo bets [$2].
promize calls [$2].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
promize checks.
Sepharo is all-In.
promize calls [$14.4].
** Dealing River ** [ Td ]
promize shows [ Ks, Kd ] a flush, king high.
Sepharo shows [ Jh, Js ] a full house, Jacks full of tens.
Sepharo wins $46.30 from the main pot with a full house, Jacks full of tens.
damn river
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| 97 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 147542720
Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 22:14
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promize...I definitely make that call. With those cards and the respective stack sizes I don't think there is any way you do not lose your money there. Personally I would shrug that hand off in about 30 seconds, not much you can do sometimes when you have a hand like that and someone just makes a bigger hand. Too bad you didn't have Qd Kd ;-)
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| 98 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 147542720
Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 22:19
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#79...obviously he is just learning and no doubt he had some lucky breaks. Instead of being an ass-hole why don't you add something constructive to the discussion.
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| 99 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 22:27
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Probably because he is so much better than the rest of us!
THK
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| 100 | MattG
ID: 307592621
Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 23:11
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85th year who the hell are you to call me out... I've been around this place for over 7 years contributing much more then you ever will... This is a damn message board, if you don't like the way I played, fine but don't try and bust me down to size just because you got something up your ass... You could simply say, I would of played this hand this way, this hand that way... talk about adding something to contribute, take what I apparently did wrong and how I should do it right...
All I know is I walked away from the table with all the chips... I'm no professional, neither are my friends, if lucky breaks and river cards are what brings me the money then who the hell are you to bash it...
Step off your high horse and check your ego at the door, nobody gives a damn who you are hiding behind your friggen moniker. Many people in this thread know the bad beat I took in AC playing tight at a loose table, I'm sure most of them(probably all but you) are happy to see a fellow gurupie who took something from the table and started to recoup his losses... No matter if it was luck, skill, or a combination of the two...
I know two things about that night, when I sat down I was the best player at that table, and when I got up at the end of that night, I had taught all of them how to play better poker, and I had a hell of a lot of fun doing it.... F OFF.
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| 101 | On_the_85th_year
ID: 457421411
Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 09:56
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Re: 88 I called his bet. Hoping to bluff the turn. The turn brought a perfect card, a 3d. I immed checked, he bet $200, I immed raised it to $500. After a delay he called and I figured my "move" was a bad one. The river brought a blank, I delayed and delayed and figured the only way I win is to bet. So I put out a "appetizing bet" bet $225; one that looks like I wanted a call. He said "you got your flush". He flipped over qj and folded. Since I have never played with this crew before I showed them my bluff. Thinking this move would make them think twice the remainder of the night. I went on to win the tournament. 3 times I put shorter stacks all in when it was a coin flip and I was lucky to win all of them. I amassed a huge chip lead and had one of those nights where things went my way. But there are always definging moments and the hand above while a huge risk, paved the way for me to win.
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| 102 | On_the_85th_year
ID: 457421411
Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 10:09
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Mattg, you sounded like a complete moron in post #72 above, and the echo's run all way down to #100. And then saying "I've been around for 7 years", man I love people who think they get reprieve or special treatment after "time served". This further illustrates your Egotistical deficiencies.
"I know two things about that night, when I sat down I was the best player at that table, and when I got up at the end of that night, I had taught all of them how to play better poker, and I had a hell of a lot of fun doing it.... F OFF."
LMAO, it's all relative Mattg. "And even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while"
Keeping playing "flawlessly".
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| 103 | Matt G
ID: 19554168
Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 12:30
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Seriously what is your problem? Just because you think are a superior poker player doesn't mean you have to bust everyone's nuts.
My seven years comment, not saying I deserve any special treatment, I don't basically saying in 7 years I haven't meant such an ass as yourself, it comes down to I was playing poker, I posted some of my winning hands, and that's it... Apparently you think I made bad reads, if I did, tell me, that's what this forum is for, to help people become better at poker...
If you are going to bash how I play, fine I have no problem with that, but tell me what you think I did wrong and how you would of played, constructive critisism helps much more then just bashing people.
If you'd do that maybe I'd come in and be able to better contribute to this thread instead of jut my lucky hands and finding some nuts... Help someone out instead of bashing them... Everyone gets lucky, if that was the only way I won, fine... its the end result that counts.
When I said I played flawless, I was explaining how I never lost a big hand, I never got down except once, I never said I was perfect... AS for egotistical deficiences take a look in the mirror, when you have to come onto a message board and bash people because they don't paly poker the way you think it should be played...
Lighten up and have some fun will ya?
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| 104 | On_the_85th_year
ID: 457421411
Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 12:41
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Fair enough Matt.
If you want to win consisently, try and get your money in the pot when you are atleast a coin flip or better and do not need miracle outs in order to survive. Had you started out your post by saying "Guys , I could not have been more fortunate last night, I made very bad reads, and consisently was a big dog but manged to suck out and win the tourney" I would have said, "hey Matt. great job, atleast you realize where you went wrong, you dont have to lose to learn from your mistakes"
Poker can not be played "flawlessly", there are an infinity amount of variables.
I'm sincerely sorry if I bashed you. Good luck.
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| 105 | Matt G
ID: 19554168
Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 12:50
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I got your point, I was incredibly lucky... I made some bad reads yes, but considering the competition I was up against, I knew I could push them around... I admitted I though I was going home on that first all in when I saw his AJ suited... I read him wrong on that turn completely, in a room full of amatures like ourselves he was the one I could never figure out, mainly cause he was right next to me and I couldn't watch his eyes enough.
In that hand I had a flush after the turn, with that I figured I had them both beat... I did have the one guy with his pair but the other guy had me on the AJ... Was that a bad read, yes... I did get lucky...
When I beat my boss, I had him beat straight up.. A10 Off suit for a limp in pot, once I hit my pair I wasn't backing down... The chances of him having the other 2 aces were slim to none and there were no other cards out there that could of beat me.
I know poker cant be played flawlessly and next time I'll try to play a little better, thanks for the tips though.
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| 106 | On_the_85th_year
ID: 457421411
Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 12:51
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Another hand from Saturday night which was a tough call for me. After we got down to the final table (9 players), about 7 hands in I was dealt Big Slick spades. I was the big blind. The chip leader at this point bet $600, here again figured I was at worse about a 50-50 prop. I finally decided to push all in, hoping to induce a fold, if not lets gamble. Sure enough he called and flipped QQ. Three blanks on the flop and turned an ACE. Got lucky thats for sure!
But crippled the chip leader.
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| 107 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 13:53
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When I beat my boss, I had him beat straight up.. A10 Off suit for a limp in pot, once I hit my pair I wasn't backing down... The chances of him having the other 2 aces were slim to none and there were no other cards out there that could of beat me.
He had you beat with AA, KK, 99, AK, AQ, AJ, A9, K9. After the flop, when he got all his money in, he was a 72% favorite to win the hand.
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| 108 | Matt G
ID: 19554168
Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 15:48
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I know he was the favorite, but the way he played the hand. I watched him play all night and whenever he had anything paired in the hole he pushed most his chips in from the start...
Basically it was a good read, yes he was a 72% favorite... But I put all my chips in to make him go all in after I hit my 2 pair... yes there were a few hands that could of beat me, but I made a good read on him that he didn't have anything good. I knew I had high pair, and I was betting he didnt its called gambling...
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| 109 | On_the_85th_year
ID: 457421411
Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 16:00
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"but I made a good read on him that he didn't have anything good" Mattg, he had 2 pair? He had a very good hand. I'm not sure what you mean Mattg>?
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| 110 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 16:05
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yes there were a few hands that could of beat me, but I made a good read on him that he didn't have anything good.
Perhaps we are refering to different hands but the one I'm refering to is the one where your boss has K9 and flops 2 pair while you were holding A10 and flop a pair of aces. On a board of AK9, A10 is a major dog to K9.
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| 111 | Matt G
ID: 19554168
Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 16:55
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You guys are right, it is that hand... he had me beat on the flop yes, but once the river came I had him... I knew I had him...
I play differently, I don't play the odds, I play the people... At a table where I cant read anyone, I'm screwed... but at a table where I can read them, I'm golden... I had a good, LUCKY night... I Didn't push all in until after my 10 came up, you ahve to remember he limped in on his K9... a good move on his part, playing his 2 pair well... getting me to stick around, had he gone all in there I wouldn't of played the hand, but by limping in he inticed me... However once the 10 came up the odds jumped to 90% my way and thats when I went all in...
I know what you guys are saying, but I play all 5 cards, not just the flop.
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