Posted by: Khahan
-  Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 11:08
The Dirty Dozen League Constitution Entry Fee = $30 (Due by Opening Day) Fee paid to Great One, I believe he prefers paypal. 7 keepers Keeper Deadline outlined below or they will be picked for you. Any trade or keeper change after that will not be accepted. Next Day Transactions - Daily/Tomorrow Waivers - Continual Rolling List
Payouts = $360 1st Place $245 2nd Place $ 75 3rd Place $ 30 Kafenatid $ 10*
Trade Review Commish review, will push through in about 24 hours unless anyone raises any questions. Generally the next morning unless a trade was accepted the evening before.
Categories & Positions Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util (new) SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL Batters Stat Categories: Runs (R), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases (SB), Batting Average (AVG) Pitchers Stat Categories: Wins (W), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average (ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)
Trade Deadline Last available date offered by Yahoo (usually about a month before season ends)
Here's a link to the 2015 season discussion.
* - kafenatid is typically paid by the last place team and not part of the pot.
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ID: 397302411 Thu, Aug 24, 2017, 12:30
So just to be clear, Astade traded Loki his round 6 pick in the Conforto deal and now Loki is trading that same pick back to Astade in the Lynn deal? This will be fun sorting thru and keeping straight next year. haha
ID: 487112420 Thu, Aug 24, 2017, 21:12
ID: 15046816 Fri, Aug 25, 2017, 09:55
Should not be too difficult as long as we document the trades here.
ID: 15046816 Tue, Sep 05, 2017, 18:38
My trade of Billy Hamilton for Nelson Cruz in order to gain in hitting categories in particular HRs has been costly. Cruz has hit 2 HRs since the trade and has been dismal in the other hitting categories. Meanwhile losing Hamilton will cost me 1 point in SBs and give DaBomb a point. I knew that I could lose the SB point but thought that I would more than make it up in the hitting categories. Cruz has 4 weeks to turn it around. Which is more appropriate: "The best laid plans of mice and men..." or "Can't anyone here play this game," to quote Casey Stengel with the NY Mets in their 1st season.
ID: 367431722 Tue, Sep 05, 2017, 21:38
hey loki - how about, "there's no crying in (fantasy) baseball" ;)
From your choices I'll take best laid plans. . .
ID: 15046816 Wed, Sep 06, 2017, 18:14
Perhaps the Zephyrs are getting a little karma/dumb luck. Both of my big players that I traded away, Conforto and Hamilton have season ending injuries.
ID: 367431722 Sun, Sep 10, 2017, 22:49
I know its a little early yet, but if you are looking to rebuild come see me this off-season. My keeper situation is crowded the way a Tokyo Subway is crowded, with only 7 slots we can fill.
The "Not Going Anywhere so Dont Ask" Group Trea Turner Manny Machado
The "Willing to move but you wont like the cost, but try to blow me away" Group Aaron Judge Andrew Benintendi Corey Kluber
The "I cant keep them all so I might as well get what I can for them" Group Max Scherzer Dallas Keuchel Stephen Strasburg
The "I have no more room but they'd be a keeper on your team" Group
and finally The "I'd have been thrilled to have their talent 2-3 years ago to build around" Group Ian Happ Tyler Glasnow Keon Broxton Kolton Wong
Picks are absolutely the best. I'm so crowded its hard (not impossible so try) to upgrade.
ID: 302321312 Mon, Sep 18, 2017, 11:13
Has the innings limit always been this hard to get to or are starters going less innings with increase in hitting in recent years? Currently there is only one team projected to surpass the innings limit and I am 25 innings off pace and have the 4th most innings pitched (due in part to some recent streaming).
Not to be ironed out during the season but I would be in favor of reducing the cap by 50 innings so that we would become less dependent on streaming and who throws the most innings and more so having the best pitchers without needing to stream/carry a bench full of SPs.
ID: 304422310 Mon, Sep 18, 2017, 12:53
Or just add another roster slot
ID: 367431722 Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 02:35
I do believe we've always been at 1400 IP. I wouldn't be opposed to lowering it a smidge. Bean is the league leader in IP and he's on pace to come in just below threshold. Last season we had 4 people go over 1400 IP but I know at least 2, maybe 3 of them were streaming and loaded up on the last day.
In fact it looks like most seasons we have 3-4 go over. But from the numbers I'd have to say most of them are streaming pitchers and stocking up on their last day (1430+ IP). This tells me that people are working hard at just meeting the cap and it should probably be brought down some. I'd be fine with 1350.
ID: 367431722 Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 02:41
Btw, I noticed when I was looking that up - the current record for most strikeouts in a season by a pitching staff for our league is 1450 set last year by Astade. If I hit the IP cap I'm currently on pace for 1597 K's. Maybe another day soon I'll take a look at the record highs and lows for each category and post them all up.
ID: 98341911 Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 12:34
ID: 98341911 Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 12:43
Explanation for post 194. I was going to just record the record best and worst in each category but as I went I realized a little historical perspective would make for a more robust set of data points. So I took the high and low from each season and recorded them on the table above.
A number highlighted in blue is the all-time best. A number highlighted in red is the all-time worst. The manager name in the last column is the record holder.
2009 has an * next to it. That is because this is the last season in which we had 1 utility spot. Starting in 2010 we added a utility spot. Not surprisingly all the lows for cumulative hitting stats came before 2009. All the highs but 1 came after (SB).
No manager owns both the best single season and the worst single season (I came closest with wins. The high is mine and second lowest is mine).
A number in parenthesis is the total number of people tied for that high or low for that season (record 3).
2005 had 5 record lows set. 2016 had 4 record highs set. 2006 and 2016 are the only seasons with both a record high and a low set. 2007 had a low batting average of .281 which 2 people tied for. This would have been a high in 3 other seasons (2014, 2012, 2010). This is the only time a low from 1 season would have been a high in another season.
ID: 32645623 Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 01:09
Re 195: Looks like Astade currently has the record high and low for K's.
ID: 14840208 Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 09:40
You're right. As of this chart Astade has the unique position of having the record high and low in a single category.
ID: 508132010 Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 11:13
Khahan you have too much time on your hands...
ID: 20833219 Thu, Sep 21, 2017, 10:33
Before we got sidetracked with historical data DPR raised the question about an IP cap for next season. I think we're all seasoned enough players and know this league's roster limits well enough that we don't need to spend 100 posts debating if it should be this amount or that amount. I'm just going to call for a vote here.
Do you think we should change the IP cap to:
a) 1400 - leave it where it is b) 1350 c) 1300 d) 1250 e) 1450 raise it
I added the more standard options out there and for completeness and fairness sake even added the option for a raise.
My vote is option B.
ID: 304422310 Thu, Sep 21, 2017, 16:38
ID: 487112420 Thu, Sep 21, 2017, 21:14
ID: 302321312 Fri, Sep 22, 2017, 08:23
ID: 49829217 Fri, Sep 22, 2017, 10:14
ID: 15046816 Fri, Sep 22, 2017, 19:32
ID: 32645623 Fri, Sep 22, 2017, 22:31
A Nothing wrong with B, but A for historical sake.
ID: 565491620 Fri, Sep 22, 2017, 23:42
ID: 8550318 Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 08:50
ID: 302321312 Mon, Sep 25, 2017, 10:09
Looks like it is going to be a very exciting finish for the top teams. For the last few weeks I have been viewing my upside/downside in each of the categories to see how much I can increase my total but I figured it would be interesting to do it for my team and others as we head into the final week. In some cases it is hard to determine what is possible
DPR Rs:no change HRs: +1 possible RBIs: +1 possible SBs:+1.5 possible AVG: No change expected Ws: No change expected but category can be volatile SVs:-1 possible (likely) Ks: No change expected ERA: +1 possible/minus2 possible WHIP:+2 possible/minus1 possible Overall: +5.5/-4
Khahan Rs:+1 possible Hrs: No change likely RBIs:-1 possible SBs: No change likely AVG: +1 Possible Pitching: No changes expected Total:+2/-1
DaBomb Rs:No change HR:No change likely RBI: No change SBs: +.5/-.5 BA: No change Ws:+.5/-.5 SVs:+.5/-.5 Ks: No change ERA:-1 WHIP:-1 Total:+1.5/-3.5
So it looks like my team has the most categories where points can be gain or lost while Khahan score is likely to remain largely unchanged. While any order is possible, it seems Khahan is likely to stay in top 2 as both DaBomb and I would need to reach out upside to match his likely mid/low90s score. I day where a team hits 6 HRs or picks up 3 wins could also prove my calculations wrong as I was assuming 2 wins or 4 HRs to be likely to not change but those margins are definitely still possible with a week to go (and maybe even a day).
Holt and Loki could both definitely spoil for a podium finish but without running the numbers it seems unlikely they could pull off a title.
ID: 24823259 Mon, Sep 25, 2017, 10:23
That's what I've been looking at too, DPR. I've stayed very active with pitching working K's and W's as much as possible just to make sure I don't lose those 2 points to Holt. Because those 2 points are going to matter.
ID: 367431722 Wed, Sep 27, 2017, 23:24
Holy shit. This late in the season nobody's ERA should change that much in 1 night. Overall ERA for the season went from 3.25 to 3.33!!
ID: 302321312 Thu, Sep 28, 2017, 16:32
And you didn't even lose any points...My pitchers blowing up last night likely cost 2-4 points in the standings if I am not able to finsh strong in the ratio categories. That will likely be the difference for me as the hitting categories seem to have primarily resolved themselves for me (steals points likely cant be gained like I was hoping a couple days ago; HRs however looks more plausible).
ID: 304422310 Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 10:09
What happens with a tie?
Congrats on great seasons Dabomb Squad, homerunners123 and Khahan
ID: 30915210 Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 11:15
Congratulations to Da Bomb and DPR on a nail biting finish to an exciting season. A single HR and SB and a .001 difference in BA did me in. With my hitting basically dying in September. It certainly made for an exciting finish to a great year.
Da Bomb and DPR will split 1st and 2nd prize pool. I'll take the third place prize pool and just roll it over to next year.
And congratz to all others. Especially Holt and Loki who duked it out to the bitter end and tied for forth. We've had ties in the past but I don't think we've ever had a tie for first and I don't believe we've ever had 2 ties in a single season.
Congratulations to all on another great year of fake baseball!!
ID: 302321312 Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 12:35
It definitely was exciting following the final day. I didn't think I stood much of a chance so I threw all the streamed pitchers I had compiled into my lineup in a desperation attempt. Somehow they combined for a sub2 ERA, a sub1 WHIP and 2 Wins to give me the edge in each of these categories by the narrowest of margins (I won ERA 3.669 to 3.670!). Still as the pitchers were pulled from their games, I still needed a bit more help to pull into a tie. Most hitters had been removed as well, but luckily Michael Taylor came through for Khahan (as well as Ozuna just a couple innings earlier) to steal half a point from DaBomb in the late innings. Unfortunately Merrifield lined out to end one of the last games going when either a HR or SB would have given me the league outright.
Congrats to the rest of the league and look forward to next season.
Da Bomb Donor
ID: 487112814 Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 16:00
Really fun season and I'm somewhat relieved it's over after my (over?)management the past couple weeks. Nice to tie GO with 4 league championships and move past holt's 3.
My team got hot over the past month and the last 2 days I believe were the only consecutive days I was in first. Same case for me in RIBC AAA. Congrats to dpr on a big final day and finishing as a co-champ and to Khahan on a somewhat hard luck 3rd with how strong his team was all year.
I'd also like to thank Khahan for motivating my team with posts 140 & 174, and dpr's 208. It looks like my team was at 90.5 or 91 then and I ended with 95.
I also vote A fwiw.
ID: 11947215 Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 16:47
For what its worth it seems like the vote called for in post 199 is settled. No change has 5 votes. A change to B has 4 votes. 2 votes still not in. Even if both of those people vote for B, we don't have a majority voting for a specific change.
ID: 15046816 Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 19:33
Congratulations to dpr and Da Bomb for winning and to Khahan on almost getting there. Great season, and it was fun being competitive for a change.
Technical question: Can the players picked up on 10/1/2017 be legally assigned to the teams since as waiver claims they cannot be rostered until after our season was over?
ID: 367431722 Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 19:38
We're going to go by what the system says the final rosters were. Whatever yahoo defaults too.
For example Beltre was picked up by Holt on 10/1. If next year when we pull up the archived teams Beltre shows on his team as of the last day, he can keep beltre. If beltre doesn't show on his team, he can't.
Keep It Simple.
ID: 32645623 Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 22:49
Congrats DPR, Dabomb, and Khahan. I had a lot of potential points in play over the last month of the season. Unfortunately Billy Hamilton got hurt, too many 0 for 4's from my supposedly good hitters, and too many implosions from "ace" pitchers. Especially on Saturday when Weaver, Kershaw, and McCullers all caved in simultaneously. I think I lost 6 points just in whip and ERA in a matter of an hour or two, and in the process gave dpr some points. I think I got within about 2 or 3 points from 3rd but then crapped out. It's alright though. At one point in late June I was down to about 60 points as issues like Kershaw and Marte were taking their toll. You just have to keep grinding. I don't feel bad about 4th place. If it's good enough for the Flint Tropics it's good enough for me. Looking forward to next season!
ID: 565491620 Tue, Oct 03, 2017, 22:36
Congrats to Da Bomb and dpr. Our first tie I think? Every time you think you've seen it all... i guess we just add 1st and 2nd place winnings together and split evenly?
Tree is the only one not to pay and has a balance of 40 so i emailed him.
Wiggs took last and the extra 10 owed -- so he gets to pay for Kafenatid next year. PD had it two years running...
ID: 2911322610 Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 11:56
Yahoo as announced they will be adding a Shohei Ohtani/pitcher and a Shohei Ohtani/Hitter. I believe this is how most of the major outlets will end up handling him. This leaves us with 3 potential options that I see:
1. Hitter and player are 2 separate entities and must be drafted and treated separately. This is easiest to track but honestly I think greatly devalues him. Part of his allure and value comes in 1 guy delivering pitching and hitting stats.
2. In the draft hitter and pitcher are 1 person and when you draft one the other gets drafted, losing your last round pick. But once the season starts they are 2 separate entities and can be dropped/traded handled as individual players. This gives him the most value and the manager the most flexibility but seems a bit odd.
3. In the draft hitter and player are 1 person and when you draft one the other gets drafted, losing your last round pick. Once the season starts, they are still considered 1 person, taking up 2 roster spots. But they must be traded, dropped/added together. This makes the most sense but has the most possibility of causing problems. Especially in an add/drop situation. While it improves his draft value it may actually depress his trade value as managers receiving Ohtani need 2 roster spots for him.
For keepers I think it makes sense to go along consistently with whichever option you pick above. Options 1 and 2 means he is 1 keeper slot for a hitter and 1 keeper slot for a pitcher. Option 3 means you keep him with 1 slot as both a hitter and a pitcher.
Da Bomb Donor
ID: 487112814 Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 19:29
#1 probably. I don't see him having much value as a hitter anyway as I don't think he would be playing close to everyday.
ID: 26244820 Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 20:16
I don't see 2 making much sense in a keeper league. As DaBomb said he likely doesn't hold much value as a hitter so going into next year hitter Ohtani would not be kept (if he even stayed on a roster all year). This would lead us to using the option 1 after the first year anyways.
My instincts says 1 as it is the simplest. My only concern is that if next year Y! combines Ohtani into one player that puts us in a bit of a predicament where I imagine we could give that added benefit to the owner of pitcher Ohtani.
For 3, does this mean that to keep pitcher Ohtani you would need to keep hitter Ohtani as well using 2 slots? This would take away alot of his appeal and almost make him a liability. What if hitter ohtani never materializes into a player who gets ABs.
ID: 367431722 Tue, Jan 09, 2018, 08:19
Option 3 he is 1 player so if you keep him it is 1 slot to keep. He takes up 2 roster spots because that is what Yahoo has coded. You just declare Ohtani as a keeper.
ID: 302321312 Tue, Jan 09, 2018, 08:37
I still may not think hitter Ohtani is worth rostering
ID: 15046816 Tue, Jan 09, 2018, 14:39
I am not sure which option I would prefer, and therefore will abstain when this comes up for a vote. However it is THIRTY-FIVE DAYS until spring training. Football is nearly over, I do not follow basketball or hockey, so am cannot wait for baseball and more importantly Fantasy Baseball to begin. I am putting you all on notice that the Zephyrs are taking it all in 2018!!!!
ID: 77532019 Thu, Jan 11, 2018, 14:26
gotta be 1. the others just create potential logistical nightmares.
ID: 2911322610 Thu, Jan 11, 2018, 15:33
If that's your only reason for taking #1 Tree, a) thank you as GO and are the ones dealing with the logistical nightmares and 2) even being aware of those nightmares I think GO and I are willing to do a bit of extra work to make those options work. Otherwise they wouldn't be presented.
If your votes is still for option 1, great. But wanted to throw that out there just in case.
ID: 77532019 Mon, Jan 15, 2018, 18:01
i realize that, but as someone who has been a commish before, it's a lot of work already. i wouldn't want to ask someone to be forced to do even more work.
ID: 367431722 Tue, Jan 16, 2018, 20:24
As always I'm looking to deal. My probable order for keepers:
Trea Turner Manny Machado Max Scherzer Corey Kluber Aaron Judge Marcell Ozuna Andrew Benintendi/Stephen Strasburg Dallas Kuechel Kimbrel/Knebel Justin Smoak Tyler Glasnow Ian Happ
Mix and match from those guys as you see fit in offers for draft picks or keeper upgrades.
ID: 54128513 Mon, Feb 05, 2018, 14:28
Not sure if I read all of the ohtani discussion but I think that if you draft him you should be able to just roster him as a pitcher but retain sole rights to add him as a hitter (so he would be off limits to other owners but you aren't forced to use two slots on him if you don't want to).
ID: 15046816 Sat, Feb 17, 2018, 16:40
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