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0 Subject: Gurupie 20 -- 2020 Preseason Discussion

Posted by: Species
- SuperDude [07724916] Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 17:30

Welcome to Gurupie 20's 18th season!

Keepers are due in two weeks:

- Keepers due Monday March 9th, Noon ET
- Prospect keepers due Tuesday March 10th, Noon ET
- Prospect draft starts Wednesday March 11th, Noon ET
- Supplemental draft opens Saturday March 14th*
- Supplemental draft clock starts Sunday March 15th, Noon ET*

*I am going to roll with the above schedule. However, given the 2 additional rounds in the prospect draft, we may have to adjust the start of the Supplemental Draft to accommodate.

I am assigning each and every manager the task of auditing there own Supplemental and Prospect picks. I diligently track things but I am doing the work of the entire league (and a very active league at that) and I have oversights and make mistakes. I do not have the capacity to audit 2 years of trades for 20 teams.

As such, I am tasking each and every manager to audit their own picks, and to do so by Monday March 3rd, 12:00pm ET. Things are going to get hot-and-heavy after that and I just want to avoid any last minute hiccups with picks and pick order. I am going to have to enter in the entire draft into Draftime round by round so I want it accurate the first time. Each manager doing it for their own set of picks will be more efficient than me trying to do it for all 20.

We have 3 new managers who will probably have a lot of questions. Please do not be shy, in particular regarding the prospect draft, '10th keeper' rules and keeper restrictions. It is too important for you not to be completely fluent in the nuances so speak up publicly or privately.

The Champ is here and ready to defend the title! Come knock me off!
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      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 11:48
Okay, so the concept of "time warping" to March 2021 and beginning the next G20 season at that time is an overwhelming favorite as to what we do right now. If anyone has objections, speak now or forever hold your peace. I have been prodding managers to have their say, so if you are silent, after multiple email reminders, then that is on you. Your silence equates to a positive vote towards this course of action.

What this means is:

- The 2020 and 2021 draft grids and pick trades each get pushed out one year
- The 'new' 2021 draft grid will be exactly as it shows in our link above. Everything already applied at the time COVID hit - demerits, lottery, trades - will continue to apply in 2021
- We will pick up where we left off: keepers set (although with a potential adjustment - see below); a completed Prospect Draft (with full compliment of 100 prospects); preparing to launch the Supplemental Draft; and in the midst of our trade moratorium
- 10th keepers would be unaffected by the GP/IP/AB they receive during the 2020 season. Ignoring of GP/IP/AB would only apply to 10th keepers and not other prospects on the prospect list.
- However, I am advocating for the opportunity to adjust keepers. There are just too many real-life trades, retirements and injuries 12 months after you made a decision that greatly impact a 20-team Dynasty League such as this. I have a hard time cementing a team into a decision from 12 months ago.
- We also must decide as a group whether to allow trades and whether those trades may impact 2021 keepers.

Keeper Discussion:
I advocate for the ability - at a minimum - to adjust keepers by way of substitution from your locked roster at the end of 2019. I think this flexibility equally applies between contenders and rebuilders:

Contenders: If you leaned on aging veterans, losing a year of a player's useful productive baseball life is a material change. Admittedly this perspective does specifically apply to my team (Morton, Scherzer, Santana) but may equally apply to others. Contenders could have been impacted in other ways as well -- i.e. Thumper has Scott Kingery, who in a non-COVID year was likely to have a full time gig at 3rd base for Philly. Now, in COVID with no minor league baseball, the Phillies might move up the timetable of stud prospect Alec Bohm at 3b instead.

Rebuilders: You might have kept an emerging prospect or former utility player slated to take a full-time open spot in a team's lineup.......only to have trades happen during our shortened 2020 season or during the 2020 offseason that might significantly alter that player's value. You might have had a stud SP prospect (heck, or an established star P) blow out their arm in the 2020 season and be shelved for all of 2021.

To me, there are too many variables to not allow adjustments to keepers in such a deep dynasty league.

My vision for a trading policy would be to ban trades through the end of whatever 2020 regular season we have. If COVID cancels the regular season at some point, we can simply deem the end of the 2020 regular season to be September 30th, and starting October 1st offseason trades from your ending 2019 roster, your prospect list and all prospect and supplemental picks would be back on the table. All picks would be from the existing draft grid would be the starting base form which those trades occur.

We would then have a normal keeper deadline in early March, start the keeper trade moratorium again, skip the prospect draft and start the supplemental draft and hopefully enjoy an amazing 2021 season.
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 12:26
I support this proposal.
      ID: 35282121
      Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 14:16
Sounds like a good proposal. My only concern would be knowing who was on whoís roster for the keeper substitutes. Is that roster history stored somewhere?
      ID: 161118314
      Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 15:05
that proposal seems reasonable.

i still like my idea of swapping teams for 2020 with someone else. or at least keepers. :D
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 15:55
221: From the G20 League Page, you can change from the 2020 season to the 2019 season. Once there, you can access the final roster of all teams.

If we adopt this, I can just copy the final rosters from 2019 onto our 2020 team rosters, allowing trades and keepers to be run just like it was any other year. Waivers / FA pickups would be banned of course.
      ID: 39230821
      Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 15:59
Good proposal!

Who wants to step up and run this pseudo G20 year?
      ID: 057721710
      Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 16:14
So sad that the best option is to do nothing.

So just before the draft, I traded a prospect pick for Edwin Encarnacion. That draft pick has now been used. Since I didn't have him at the end of 2019, do I still have Encarnacion now?
      ID: 56261418
      Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 16:31
Sounds fine to me. I would advocate for running the 2020 ESPN league as is, each team with just the keepers and 10th's, and see what happens. Maybe a mini-prize for the winner of that?
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 17:59
225: You're right Tosh. Let me reword that:

The intent would be to take your existing set of keepers (no matter how acquired) and then ADD leftover players from your 2019 ending roster until you have a full roster. Some teams may have too few, while others may have an extra or two. Those teams would have to decide to release their interest so as to keep within the maximum roster of 23.

Taking that a step further, some teams ended 2019 with more than 23 players due to legally having players on the IL at season's end. In all cases, the "revamped" 2020 rosters are capped at 23, so managers over that number must release their interests in enough players to meet the maximum roster number.
      ID: 59422298
      Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 20:59
100% support Species proposal
229Blue Hen
      ID: 410452818
      Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 21:10
I agree with most of 219, except I oppose replacing keepers. Although I agree, losing a year of Verlander or Donaldson does hurt. Everything else is fine.

Iím out for 2020, in any form.
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 23:19
I support Species' proposal.

Open to participating in the pseudo league.
      ID: 571142323
      Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 00:39
While we're doing a one off, any chance we wanna test a new platform something like Fantrax.

I've heard it's strong for leagues like ours, including draft pick trading and multi-team trading.
      ID: 39230821
      Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 08:16
Iíll do Fantrax if you wanna set it up and run it :D
      ID: 34954210
      Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 16:40
Ditto 229
      ID: 206491223
      Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 04:00
Count me as a supporter of the Proposal in Post 219.
      ID: 66391114
      Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 15:39
Sounds like a good plan to me
236Jon Dowd
      ID: 166131211
      Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:13
I'm in for the 219 proposal
      ID: 39230821
      Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 14:19
So I guess for 2020 weíll play with your keepers/10th keepers/prospects only? Cool with me- might be too late to do a slow draft anyway
      ID: 2910361920
      Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 18:40
For the record, I'm out for a 2020 season mini league. Just not feeling optimistic about MLB finishing, or maybe even starting, a 60-game season. So many variables. Hard to get excited about that. I'll be watching the messageboard though, and am all in for 2021 of course.
      ID: 381352110
      Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 18:45
This sounds fine to me. It is unfortunate that high-level prospects will accrue GP/IP, but I guess we are all in the same boat. What happens if a current prospect passes maximums during the shortened 2020 season? Can we promote him as an additional 10th keeper in 2021 or do we have to include him in our reshuffled 9?
      ID: 381352110
      Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 18:56
Also, how we will handle 2021 p-picks that have already been traded? Since it is sounding like there will be no 2021 p-draft.
      ID: 381352110
      Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 18:59
Also, if the 2020 s-draft grid replaces the 2021 s-draft grid, are 2021 s-picks that have already been traded fast forwarded to 2022?
      ID: 10431316
      Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 19:58
239: My vision is that all prospects are in the same boat. BEFORE COVID, every team decided to retain or call up their prospects at the keeper deadline. I don't believe COVID altered any team's plans one way or the other. But to answer your question, any prospects that were already on the prospect list are treated the same as any other season.

240: 2021 P-picks now become 2022 p-picks.

241: 2021 traded s-picks now become 2022 s-picks.
      ID: 381352110
      Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 20:17
Understood. Back to my Michael Kopech example. He currently has 14.1 IP. If he pitches 96 innings this year, he would have 110.1 IP. By our usual rules, he would be ineligible to retain prospect status next season, and would need to be included in next year's 9 keepers. Not sure how many prospects are close to that limit, so not sure we need to worry about it, but seems worth monitoring.
      ID: 161118314
      Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 20:56
so, there's no interest in a mid-season 2021 ASB prospect draft to catch up?

we'd rather have a deeeep prospect draft in 2022?
      ID: 10431316
      Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 22:18
243: I am confused by your question. Tree chose to keep Kopech as a prospect keeper when we thought we were having a 162 game season. Is there a perceived disadvantage now that we have a 60-game season?

As has been suggested, AB/GP/IP figures for 10th keepers will be ignored in this season, so any and all of them can be 10th keepered for 2021.

244: We have a full year to consider your suggestion. Doesn't have to be vetted out now.
      ID: 161118314
      Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 08:32
there feels like there's a whole bunch of conversation diluting the waters.

1. bottom line, for the intents and purposes of the G20 timeline, MLB 2020 didn't happen. nothing that happens this season from a statistical perspective affects our game world?

2. Michael Kopech isn't playing this year. He's not hitting any sort milestones this season, and there is genuine concern over whether he'll actually ever pitch again. Actually, there are even more important concerns over his mental health right now, so let's change that example.
      ID: 39230821
      Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 10:41
Easiest way to understand is whatever designation a prospect or 10th keeper has today will be the same designation for 2021, no matter how much they play this season.
      ID: 66391114
      Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 09:07
Sounds like a good plan to me
      ID: 07724916
      Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 14:54

Keeping my fingers crossed that we will be able to enjoy a bit of Baseball in this crazy COVID world. As outlined in Post 219 (and clarified in 227), I have done the following to our rosters and constitution:

1) Removed 10th keepers from team rosters. This is necessary to re-populate rosters with their pre-keeper players so they have players to choose from for the 2021 keeper deadline.

2) Added 10th keepers to our list of prospects as a separate entry onto the Prospect List to indicate which teams retain 10th keeper rights to those players.

2a) 10th keeper status may NOT be amended between now and the 2021 season. We will resume the 2021 season with the Prospect Keeper Deadline having passed, 10th keepers announced and our Prospect Draft complete.
2b) Any AB, GP or IP accumulated by already announced 10th keepers will be ignored. All existing 10th keepers will retain eligibility going into 2021.
2c) Some players who were eligible for our 2020 Prospect Draft were on a team's ending 2019 / pre-keeper 2020 roster. Any of those such players that were then drafted in our 2020 prospect draft WERE NOT added to that team's roster for 'this' season. But, I may miss some. Prospect list takes precedence.

3) I have added to every team's roster - as closely as I can - their 2020 roster as it stood before keepers were run. My process was to use the 2019 ending roster as a base, and try to consider players traded in the offseason that did not ultimately get kept by the receiving team. My intent in this "time warp" season was to reset rosters to their 2020 pre-keeper state.

Alex Verdugo is one notable example of a player that was traded but not kept by the receiving team. I believe I accurately put him on DK's team. He is obvious, but there could be other, more obscure players that I missed. Let's face it, in this imperfect solution to a lost season, some scrub today could evolve into a keeper worthy player. Someone coming out of nowhere to become a stud closer during this 2020 season is a prime example -- a team could have streamed a reliever on the last day of 2019 and they turn into 2020's version of Liam Hendriks.

I know I will miss some. Perhaps many. Please audit your own rosters and advise of any players that were on your roster at the Keeper Deadline. Those belong to you.

4) Waivers / free agent pickups are forbidden. Any found will be reversed.

5) Trades are forbidden until October 1st. At that point we will consider ourselves in the offseason, and all players, picks, prospects and keepers are all fair game for offseason trades.

6) The existing draft grid will be used to start 2021. Previously traded 2021 picks will be pushed out to 2022.

7) The 2021 prospect draft pick trades will be pushed out to 2022. While there is a suggestion to have an interim prospect draft at the All Star game of 2021, at this moment that is only a discussion piece.

8) 2021 keepers will be run like any other year. We all have something resembling our roster before keepers were run in 2020. Once the 2020 offseason hits, it is open season on trades, and you may adjust / choose your keepers for 2021 with whatever roster you have assembled at that time.


Hopefully that covers all of the relevant points of our 2020 reset / time warp / whatever. If you have any concerns or questions - or better yet a correction to your roster - please advise.

Best wishes to you and your families.
      ID: 161118314
      Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 15:05
Dawel Lugo as the only 3b on my roster, FTW!
      ID: 39230821
      Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 17:10
Thanks Species- that was a mountain pile of work I am sure. It will be fun to see who can win G20 with their keepers and their old depth!
      ID: 206491223
      Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 02:42
Yes, many thanks, Species, for taking the time to explain everything ... and concisely.

I'm all in for a pre-keeper roster run at the 2020 title! I miss seeing Kieboom and Nate Lowe on the roster though.
      ID: 59422298
      Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 08:34
I have no pitching... Price and Severino dead... lol
      ID: 39230821
      Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 11:27
Great year to see if it is valid to not even deploy a catcher
      ID: 56261418
      Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 15:50
It will be interesting to see if I can repeat my first 60 games from last year.
      ID: 10431316
      Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 21:36
LOL........was wondering why my roster is so short. I did two separate 3-for-1 trades and the cupboard is bare AF!!
      ID: 552592314
      Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 09:42
1st Place and 3 offers already for Giancarlo! He is available... looking for SP or a non 3B infield. Get a deal agreed now and we'll process it for Christmas.
      ID: 56261418
      Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 12:46
6 of my 9 starters are on teams that have postponed games. Good times!
      ID: 161118314
      Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 17:06
I'm still waiting for an official at bat from my 3B slot.
      ID: 39230821
      Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 13:59
Canít wait to start trade talks again
      ID: 1583189
      Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 10:03
Sounds like a good plan to me
      ID: 161118314
      Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 11:07
as this season starts to wind down, i just discovered an error in the supp draft grid above, as i acquired Thumper's first found pick in this trade from this thread


Tree receives
Corbin Burnes, SP, MIL
Thumperís 2020 1st round supplemental pick

Thumper receives
Jean Segura, SS, PHI
Joey Lucchesi, SP, SD

(i may have brought it up before, but don't want to let it get lost to time and COVID).

also, Thumper, you can probably add this to your list of trades that on hindsight don't look so great...
      ID: 56261418
      Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 14:35
I won G20! Yay? Okay, so not really, but sort of!

If anything, it validates all the good things I did in 2019. My first two picks of the draft in 2019 were my two best players in 2020 (Lowe, Maeda). I also had some strong performances from guys I wasn't going to keep in 2020 (C Frazier, Gregorius, Colome), that may hold some value in 2021, and one that maybe I shouldn't have kept, and now have a second chance to evaluate (Bumgarner).

I was also lucky with injuries/COVID, only losing Soler and Chapman for any significant time. And finally, a couple guys I happened to take in the last week of 2019 to bolster some stats happened to have good seasons (Mahle and Miller).
      ID: 161118314
      Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 14:42
congrats on the win - and it's not a sort of. you won, we all had similar disadvantages, so i would definitely call it a legit win.

I'm pretty happy with how some of my guys developed (although not thrilled with the late seasons injuries to Lamet and Burnes), and perplexed with how to deal with some of the big surprises this season, good and bad (Sal Perez and Jesus Aguilar coming up big, Joey Gallo and Willie Calhoun disappearing, for starters).

anyway, great job! i took 8th, which i'm happy with especially considering my prospects and 10th keepers, and my draft picks.
      ID: 39230821
      Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 12:56
Congrats Nerf!

Who wants to kick off the offseason trading? As Tree points out, Iím bad at them
      ID: 39230821
      Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 13:08
Minor rule change proposals before I forget
1. Allowing 10th keepers to be eligible for the IL spot. I think only actual keepers are IL eligible now, and we will have more 10th keepers in the future with the prospect expansion and extra carry over year of 10th keeper eligibility
2. A switch to yahoo. Iíve had multiple cases in ESPN leagues where it wouldnít even save my roster changes for the day after setting it, which is infuriating when your SP has a great day on the bench
      ID: 517342812
      Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 15:06
Can we fit this many teams on Yahoo? That would be the first potential disqualifier. It is a better platform though, I agree.
      ID: 161118314
      Thu, Oct 01, 2020, 14:31
Can we fit this many teams on Yahoo?

they say 12 team max, but i'm in one league with 13 teams, so who knows....
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