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0 Subject: RIBC 2021: preseason discussion

Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 09:38

I am pleased to announce the 16 managers in the 2021 RIBC:

Returning from RIBC (8): Guru, maspero, Fosten, Smith & 9th, Holt, Graydog, mailedfoot, and Mikulka

Top 4 from AAA-Yahoo: Da Bomb, Meatwads, Nerfherders, s R

Top 4 from AAA-ESPN: Toral, Youngroman. JeffG, Seattle Zen

Winner of AA: none - top 3 AA teams were all run by managers with another team.

1Guru
† † † ID: 330592710
† † † Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 09:39
In the invitation email that I sent to all 16 managers, I asked about preferences for hosting site. Only six of you responded with any preference - 3 for ESPN, and 3 for Yahoo. If any of the rest of you have strong preference to move the league to Yahoo, please speak up now, and let me know why you think Yahoo is preferred. Be aware that if we do switch to Yahoo, then my online tracking tools (daily starting lineups and split standings) will not be operative, as those depend on an existing interface with ESPN, and I do not plan to reprogram them to mesh with Yahoo. I know that some people use those tools, and some do not.
2JeffG
† † † ID: 44182712
† † † Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 10:24
Can't wait for a FULL SEASON.

I posted a comment in the 2021 Getting Started thread about lowering the IP Max setting.

Would like to know others thoughts.
3Nerfherders
† † † ID: 56261418
† † † Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 12:42
Glad to be back in RIBC - it only took a decade!

As for league site - I prefer Yahoo!.
4mmikulka
† † † ID: 4211332822
† † † Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 15:54
I prefer sticking with ESPN
5Seattle Zen
† † † ID: 371481515
† † † Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 16:48
I would prefer to stick with ESPN. Two years ago when ESPN ďalteredĒ their platform, it was garbage. It seemed most of the bugs and performance issues vanished last year. I still prefer the 2018 iteration. Yahoo, on the other hand, feels like it was designed by Fisher Price with the goal of not confusing four year olds.
6Fosten
† † † ID: 3111131015
† † † Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 13:58
Another vote for ESPN here.
7holt
† † † ID: 1141721
† † † Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 22:09
ESPN
8maspero
† † † ID: 5815687
† † † Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 11:26
Hi guys, I agree with JeffG on lowering the IP max setting. For the platform, I trust your decision.
9Guru
† † † ID: 330592710
† † † Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 11:16
There seems to be widespread consensus on reducing the IP max, so I see no need for a vote. We'll plan to reduce the IP maximum to 1250.

Also, there seems to be no groundswell of support to move to Yahoo, so the league will remain at ESPN.

Registration info will be sent out by email in the next day or so.

10Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 11:53
ESPN and Draftime invites have now been sent out to new managers. Returning managers are pre-registered at both ESPN and Draftime.com.
11Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 11:33
One thing we will need to decide on is how we want to deal with Covid.

As best I can discern, ESPN will allow up to 8 IL slots. I see no indication that ESPN provides any distinctive handling for those on Covid-IL vs those on the general IL, other than that all of those players will be eligible to be placed in an IL spot.

Any thoughts on how to deal with this? With a limited bench, I think we need to make some allowances.
12Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:33

Well, we have one advantage in that we have no regular IL, so that anyone in added IL spots would be there for COVID-related reasons. (Mixing of COVID and not-COVID injured players has caused confusion in some hockey leagues.)


The protocols reveal that there will be a " COVID-19 Related Injured List". Perhaps our IL eligibility could be restricted to those on that list. We may hope that ESPN will mark such players; if not, managers can be responsible for tracking their own players. With a penalty of having the player dropped by the commissioner if a player is kept in a (COVID-)IL position for more than 1 or 2 or 3 days after he was been removed from that list.

13JeffG
      ID: 44182712
      Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 13:21
To deal with Covid.. I still say NO IL... Instead (what my office league did last season) is how about we just add one extra bench spot for 2021.

We do not have to add a round 26 to the draft but once the league is launched managers can fill this spot as needed. If a player goes on IL Covid or otherwise, the manager can just have them stashed on their bench, just like prior seasons.
14Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 11:58
Another option is to reduce the GP limit from 162.

Most teams don't get up to those limits anyway, but suppose we reduce the GP max to 154?

And/or suppose we don't enforce the GP max by position?

15Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 12:56
I'm not sure I like lowering the GP limit below how many games a player can play, because many players DO play close to 162 games, and often don't have another position to move to. If two of those players were OF only, and DH only, you'd lose one or the other down the stretch.

I like either adding one IL spot, or one bench spot. I think the bench spot would be more beneficial in case an entire team is out for a week or more, like the Marlins or Cardinals last year.
16Seattle Zen
      ID: 301361318
      Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 15:15
My recollection last year was the problem with whole teams being sidelined for a week at a time like the Marlins and the Cards. Wouldn't have mattered if there was a DL slot if your players were on those squads. I would suggest a fifth bench slot.

Whereas there was serious difficulty in getting to the max innings pitched, I don't think there was a real need to lower the number of games played below the 162. It is one of the most difficult goals to accomplish in RIBC because of the tiny bench but I believe there is a strong correlation between the final leader board and the number of games played. Daily transactions are the lifeblood of RIBC.
17JeffG
      ID: 44182712
      Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 15:38
I'd be against a GP reduction.

Even when a team was on pause (and their opponent) last season, it was a strain, but we caught up on GP with those players who lost games when they made them up with doubleheaders... every team was still able to play their full compliment of games last year.

Even with a small bench, I can usually hit the max games on OF and IF positions with a quick game day substitution for days off or a player given a rest day.
18Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 15:44

I would not be in favor of reducing the GP max. Definitely opposed to not enforcing the GP max by position. Invites teams to ignore catchers and have better hitters (in desired categories) play more games.

Perhaps one additional bench slot and one COVID-IL slot is a reasonable compromise.
19Graydog
      ID: 521432422
      Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 23:44
I am not in favor of any changes.

An additional bench spot just makes the waiver wire pool even thinner, lowered games played and IP innings devalues those manage able to hit those maxes (nobody says you need to shoot for them?)

Part of RIBC's awesomeness is the challenge of no IL and very little bench. If players are on the IL for covid, managers have to choose whether to drop them or use a precious bench spot - just like any injury. Our player pool is so deep already that if more people are on IL than typically (because of Covid), it will just open playing time for someone else that may be rosterable.
20Kdl212
      ID: 551242515
      Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 16:24
I am not in favor of changing the GP limits.

I support adding 2 rosters spots, filled via 2 extra rounds of draft, but no IL slot. I think our waiver wire player pool is not thin at all but too alluring. You can easily treat 1 hitting slot and 1 pitching slot as a carousel and never lack for decent options day after day. a thinner pool puts more pressure on the strategy of churning roster slots for IP and games played (which is a strategy I support devaluing).
21Matt G
      ID: 30411915
      Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 10:32
Gents,

I noticed that I am in both the ESPN and Draftime lists for RIBC... I didn't think I qualified, actually, I know I didn't. I mean I'm not refusing the invite I just wanted to make sure you had the right person :)
22Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 23:07
Matt G - oops! How embarrassing.

You are correct. I inadvertently kept you in and knocked out Fosten. Will make the proper adjustments.
23Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Feb 28, 2021, 13:31
I want to start the draft selection round early next week. As you recall, we generate a random order of managers, who then choose their draft sequence for the upcoming draft. I'll probably get this going on Monday.

I expect to get the draft itself started sometime around March 11.
24Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 10:08
Let's take a poll.

Our current rules provide for four bench slots and no IL slots.

Here are some options for 2021:

A. Add one IL slot
B. Add 2 IL slots
C. Add one bench slot
D. Add one bench and one IL slot
E. No change

Please provide your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choices.

Extra bench slots would not be drafted, but only filled by post-draft acquisitions.

IL slots would be available to anyone on the MLB Injured List, and not just the COVID list.

Injured players who are drafted could be added to the IL at the start of the season. But after the draft, if an IL-eligible player is added via waivers or free agency, he could not be added to the IL.
25JeffG
      ID: 44182712
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 10:23
My preference

C - one bench
A - one IL
E - no change

My preference is the bench spot over the IL because, if a whole team is put on pause for covid, players do not go on the IL, nor does their opponent who is now missing games.
26Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 10:37

D
B
A

Players who test positive must isolate for 10 days. While their teams may temporarily lose some players who have been in close contact, they will be carrying taxi squads and under a special provision may add players "to the ...Active List temporarily, without the need for those players to be placed on waivers, outrighted, or optioned in order to be removed from the 40-man roster when players return from the COVID-19 Related Injured List."
27Seattle Zen
      ID: 301361318
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 10:37
I agree with JeffG

C,A,E
28maspero
      ID: 5815687
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 10:37
1. Add 2 IL slots
2. Add one bench and one IL slot
3. Add one IL slot

Always in favour of IL slots ... and I would highlight this sentence, that I like very much:

"Injured players who are drafted could be added to the IL at the start of the season. But after the draft, if an IL-eligible player is added via waivers or free agency, he could not be added to the IL"
29Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 10:47
C
D
A
30mmikulka
      ID: 4211332822
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 12:02
C
A
E
31youngroman
      ID: 515013
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 13:57
C
D
A
32Graydog
      ID: 59256113
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 14:57
E
A
B
33Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 17:42
Draft selection round!

I took an alphabetical list of managers and resequenced it using a set of random numbers generated at random.org. (Audit copy of the selected numbers were sent directly by email to Youngroman.)

So here's the order that we get to select:

1 Mikulka
2 Fosten
3 Seattle Zen
4 Guru
5 Toral
6 JeffG
7 Holt
8 mailedfoot
9 Smith and 9th
10 maspero
11 Meatwads
12 Nerfherders
13 Graydog
14 Youngroman
15 s R
16 Da Bomb

Mikulka gets first choice. This will be a untimed process (within reason). When you make your selection, please post in this thread. (You can copy the list below and insert you name next to your round.)

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16

After you have chosen, if you can figure out how to alert the next picker by email, please do so.
34kdl212
      ID: 17825210
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 18:01
C
D
A
35Fosten
      ID: 3527117
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 18:10
[26] Good point, Toral.
D
B
A
36 Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 18:11

Re: draft order: please give me the highest pick ( = lowest number,

Toral
37mailedfoot
      ID: 15825517
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 19:43
C A E
38mmikulka
      ID: 4211332822
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 20:16
1
2
3
4 mmikulka
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16

Next up is Fosten

2 Fosten
3 Seattle Zen
4 Guru
5 Toral
6 JeffG
7 Holt
8 mailedfoot
9 Smith and 9th
10 maspero
11 Meatwads
12 Nerfherders
13 Graydog
14 Youngroman
15 s R
16 Da Bomb
39Fosten
      ID: 3111131015
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 21:01
1 Fosten
2
3
4 mmikulka
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16

Next up is Seattle Zen

4 Guru
5 Toral
6 JeffG
7 Holt
8 mailedfoot
9 Smith and 9th
10 maspero
11 Meatwads
12 Nerfherders
13 Graydog
14 Youngroman
15 s R
16 Da Bomb
40Seattle Zen
      ID: 57255120
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 21:56
1 Fosten
2 Seattle Zen
3
4 mmikulka
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16

Next up da Guru!
41Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 23:17
1 Fosten
2 Seattle Zen
3
4 mmikulka
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15 Guru
16

Next up is Toral

5 Toral
6 JeffG
7 Holt
8 mailedfoot
9 Smith and 9th
10 maspero
11 Meatwads
12 Nerfherders
13 Graydog
14 Youngroman
15 s R
16 Da Bomb
42Da Bomb
      Donor
      ID: 487112814
      Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 01:26
D
C
B
44JeffG
      ID: 4524320
      Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 01:46
Post [36] Toral takes 3
Iíll take 5

1 Fosten
2 Seattle Zen
3 Toral
4 mmikulka
5 JeffG
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15 Guru
16

Next up is Holt


7 Holt
8 mailedfoot
9 Smith and 9th
10 maspero
11 Meatwads
12 Nerfherders
13 Graydog
14 Youngroman
15 s R
16 Da Bomb
45s R
      ID: 5970131
      Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 02:28
E
C
A
46holt
      ID: 1141721
      Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 06:07
1 Fosten
2 Seattle Zen
3 Toral
4 mmikulka
5 JeffG
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15 Guru
16 holt

Next up is mailedfoot



8 mailedfoot
9 Smith and 9th
10 maspero
11 Meatwads
12 Nerfherders
13 Graydog
14 Youngroman
15 s R
16 Da Bomb

B
D
A
47Mailedfoot
      ID: 6220210
      Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 11:20
I will take slot #9 please
48Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 15:01
1 Fosten
2 Seattle Zen
3 Toral
4 mmikulka
5 JeffG
6
7
8
9 mailedfoot
10
11
12
13
14
15 Guru
16 holt

Next up is Smith & 9th


9 Smith and 9th
10 maspero
11 Meatwads
12 Nerfherders
13 Graydog
14 Youngroman
15 s R
16 Da Bomb
49kdl212
      ID: 17825210
      Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 18:42
1 Fosten
2 Seattle Zen
3 Toral
4 mmikulka
5 JeffG
6
7
8 kdl212
9 mailedfoot
10
11
12
13
14
15 Guru
16 holt

Next up is maspero

10 maspero
11 Meatwads
12 Nerfherders
13 Graydog
14 Youngroman
15 s R
16 Da Bomb
50maspero
      ID: 5815687
      Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 03:15
1 Fosten
2 Seattle Zen
3 Toral
4 mmikulka
5 JeffG
6
7 Maspero
8 kdl212
9 mailedfoot
10
11
12
13
14
15 Guru
16 holt

Next up is Meatwads

11 Meatwads
12 Nerfherders
13 Graydog
14 Youngroman
15 s R
16 Da Bomb
51Meatwads
      ID: 32235314
      Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 15:44
1 Fosten
2 Seattle Zen
3 Toral
4 mmikulka
5 JeffG
6 Meatwads
7 Maspero
8 kdl212
9 mailedfoot
10
11
12
13
14
15 Guru
16 holt

Next up is Nerfherders

12 Nerfherders
13 Graydog
14 Youngroman
15 s R
16 Da Bomb
52Graydog
      ID: 521432422
      Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 23:35
I'll take the highest spot available.
53Meatwads
      ID: 32235314
      Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 06:52
Vote from Post 24

1. B
2. D
3. A
54Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 11:25
All 16 manager have voted (post 24). (I voted D, B, C)

As I expected, there is a mixed result.

The leading first choice was C (add one bench spot), but that garnered only 7 votes - less than half. Options B (two IL) and D (one bench & one IL) combined for 7 votes, suggesting that half the managers thought one extra slot was enough, and half thought that two were preferable.

If I look at the top two choices for everyone, the leader was D (add one bench and one IL), with 10 votes. Choice C only got 8 votes when looking at the top two choices, so not much backup support for that choice.

For the top three choices, the leader was A (one IL slot) with 14. But 9 of those votes were a 3rd choice pick, so it was primarily a fallback.

Only two people had E (do nothing) as a top choice, and only 6 had that in their top three.

So I think the best consensus choice is to add one bench and one IL. We will proceed on that basis. Remember that the extra bench slot will not be drafted.
55Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 11:35
[52] Does "highest spot" mean the earliest spot, or the highest numbered (latest) spot.

I'm guessing it means the earliest spot, but I might be mistaken.
56Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 13:06
1 Fosten
2 Seattle Zen
3 Toral
4 mmikulka
5 JeffG
6 Meatwads
7 Maspero
8 kdl212
9 mailedfoot
10 Nerfherders
11
12
13
14
15 Guru
16 holt

Next up is Graydog

13 Graydog
14 Youngroman
15 s R
16 Da Bomb
57Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 13:07
1 Fosten
2 Seattle Zen
3 Toral
4 mmikulka
5 JeffG
6 Meatwads
7 Maspero
8 kdl212
9 mailedfoot
10 Nerfherders
11 Graydog
12
13
14
15 Guru
16 holt

Next up is youngroman

14 Youngroman
15 s R
16 Da Bomb
58youngroman
      ID: 515013
      Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 13:44
1 Fosten
2 Seattle Zen
3 Toral
4 mmikulka
5 JeffG
6 Meatwads
7 Maspero
8 kdl212
9 mailedfoot
10 Nerfherders
11 Graydog
12 youngroman
13
14
15 Guru
16 holt

Next up is s R

15 s R
16 Da Bomb
59s R
      ID: 224413
      Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 14:04
1 Fosten
2 Seattle Zen
3 Toral
4 mmikulka
5 JeffG
6 Meatwads
7 Maspero
8 kdl212
9 mailedfoot
10 Nerfherders
11 Graydog
12 youngroman
13 s R
14 Da Bomb
15 Guru
16 holt
60Kdl212
      ID: 38253417
      Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 18:53
Not sure I understand the limits on using the IL slot. If I draft miguel cabrera in the first round, and he goes on the IL in may (or if I add Tuffy Rhodes after opening day and he goes on the IL a week later) can I put them on the IL and add a player, or is it limited to players on the IL at the time of the draft?

Thanks.
61Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 22:49
The only limit is that if you pick up John Doe after the draft and John Doe is on the IL when you pick him up, then you can't put him on the IL.

Essentially, you can't use the IL to warehouse a player who is already on the IL when you add him to your roster. The exception if that if a player is on the IL when you draft him, you can still put him on the IL (after the draft).
62JeffG
      ID: 44182712
      Fri, Mar 05, 2021, 08:52
[61] I do not think ESPN supports this... Players can be added to rosters while on the IL via waivers/free agent pick ups.... and once on our roster will allow us to place on the IL.... so I guess we have to self-police this. Once thing we cannot do is add a player right to our IL, so any add does require the available roster spot.
63Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Mar 05, 2021, 09:00
[62] Correct, will need to be self-policed.
64holt
      ID: 19254821
      Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 22:56
I'm sure it's posted but do we have a draft date set yet?
65JeffG
      ID: 44182712
      Tue, Mar 09, 2021, 08:40
Holt:

From our Draftime page, likely the soft launch

Proposed Start: 03/10/21 08:00 am ET

67Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Tue, Mar 09, 2021, 08:58

On March 1, Guru said in a league e-mail: "I still anticipate starting the actual draft around March 11."

Prediction: the draft will be opened Wednesday for queue setting (and early picking for those so inclined) but will not officially start until Thursday.
68Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 10:29
Yes, Toral has the pattern down.

I will open up draftime either tonight or first thing tomorrow morning. The first round will be untimed. After the first round, we'll revert to a 4 hour clock, with the same limitations as usual. I'll post more explicit guidelines when the draft opens.
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