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Subject: RIBC 2021: preseason discussion
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 09:38
I am pleased to announce the 16 managers in the 2021 RIBC:
Returning from RIBC (8): Guru, maspero, Fosten, Smith & 9th, Holt, Graydog, mailedfoot, and Mikulka
Top 4 from AAA-Yahoo: Da Bomb, Meatwads, Nerfherders, s R
Top 4 from AAA-ESPN: Toral, Youngroman. JeffG, Seattle Zen
Winner of AA: none - top 3 AA teams were all run by managers with another team.
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1 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 09:39
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In the invitation email that I sent to all 16 managers, I asked about preferences for hosting site. Only six of you responded with any preference - 3 for ESPN, and 3 for Yahoo. If any of the rest of you have strong preference to move the league to Yahoo, please speak up now, and let me know why you think Yahoo is preferred. Be aware that if we do switch to Yahoo, then my online tracking tools (daily starting lineups and split standings) will not be operative, as those depend on an existing interface with ESPN, and I do not plan to reprogram them to mesh with Yahoo. I know that some people use those tools, and some do not.
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2 | JeffG
ID: 44182712 Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 10:24
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Can't wait for a FULL SEASON.
I posted a comment in the 2021 Getting Started thread about lowering the IP Max setting.
Would like to know others thoughts.
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3 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418 Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 12:42
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Glad to be back in RIBC - it only took a decade!
As for league site - I prefer Yahoo!.
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4 | mmikulka
ID: 4211332822 Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 15:54
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I prefer sticking with ESPN
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5 | Seattle Zen
ID: 371481515 Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 16:48
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I would prefer to stick with ESPN. Two years ago when ESPN “altered” their platform, it was garbage. It seemed most of the bugs and performance issues vanished last year. I still prefer the 2018 iteration. Yahoo, on the other hand, feels like it was designed by Fisher Price with the goal of not confusing four year olds.
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6 | Fosten
ID: 3111131015 Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 13:58
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Another vote for ESPN here.
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7 | holt
ID: 1141721 Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 22:09
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ESPN
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8 | maspero
ID: 5815687 Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 11:26
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Hi guys, I agree with JeffG on lowering the IP max setting. For the platform, I trust your decision.
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9 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 11:16
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There seems to be widespread consensus on reducing the IP max, so I see no need for a vote. We'll plan to reduce the IP maximum to 1250.
Also, there seems to be no groundswell of support to move to Yahoo, so the league will remain at ESPN.
Registration info will be sent out by email in the next day or so.
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10 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 11:53
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ESPN and Draftime invites have now been sent out to new managers. Returning managers are pre-registered at both ESPN and Draftime.com.
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11 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 11:33
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One thing we will need to decide on is how we want to deal with Covid.
As best I can discern, ESPN will allow up to 8 IL slots. I see no indication that ESPN provides any distinctive handling for those on Covid-IL vs those on the general IL, other than that all of those players will be eligible to be placed in an IL spot.
Any thoughts on how to deal with this? With a limited bench, I think we need to make some allowances.
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12 | Toral
ID: 9541311 Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:33
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Well, we have one advantage in that we have no regular IL, so that anyone in added IL spots would be there for COVID-related reasons. (Mixing of COVID and not-COVID injured players has caused confusion in some hockey leagues.)
The protocols reveal that there will be a " COVID-19 Related Injured List". Perhaps our IL eligibility could be restricted to those on that list. We may hope that ESPN will mark such players; if not, managers can be responsible for tracking their own players. With a penalty of having the player dropped by the commissioner if a player is kept in a (COVID-)IL position for more than 1 or 2 or 3 days after he was been removed from that list.
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13 | JeffG
ID: 44182712 Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 13:21
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To deal with Covid.. I still say NO IL... Instead (what my office league did last season) is how about we just add one extra bench spot for 2021.
We do not have to add a round 26 to the draft but once the league is launched managers can fill this spot as needed. If a player goes on IL Covid or otherwise, the manager can just have them stashed on their bench, just like prior seasons.
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14 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 11:58
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Another option is to reduce the GP limit from 162.
Most teams don't get up to those limits anyway, but suppose we reduce the GP max to 154?
And/or suppose we don't enforce the GP max by position?
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15 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418 Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 12:56
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I'm not sure I like lowering the GP limit below how many games a player can play, because many players DO play close to 162 games, and often don't have another position to move to. If two of those players were OF only, and DH only, you'd lose one or the other down the stretch.
I like either adding one IL spot, or one bench spot. I think the bench spot would be more beneficial in case an entire team is out for a week or more, like the Marlins or Cardinals last year.
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16 | Seattle Zen
ID: 301361318 Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 15:15
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My recollection last year was the problem with whole teams being sidelined for a week at a time like the Marlins and the Cards. Wouldn't have mattered if there was a DL slot if your players were on those squads. I would suggest a fifth bench slot.
Whereas there was serious difficulty in getting to the max innings pitched, I don't think there was a real need to lower the number of games played below the 162. It is one of the most difficult goals to accomplish in RIBC because of the tiny bench but I believe there is a strong correlation between the final leader board and the number of games played. Daily transactions are the lifeblood of RIBC.
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17 | JeffG
ID: 44182712 Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 15:38
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I'd be against a GP reduction.
Even when a team was on pause (and their opponent) last season, it was a strain, but we caught up on GP with those players who lost games when they made them up with doubleheaders... every team was still able to play their full compliment of games last year.
Even with a small bench, I can usually hit the max games on OF and IF positions with a quick game day substitution for days off or a player given a rest day.
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18 | Toral
ID: 9541311 Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 15:44
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I would not be in favor of reducing the GP max. Definitely opposed to not enforcing the GP max by position. Invites teams to ignore catchers and have better hitters (in desired categories) play more games.
Perhaps one additional bench slot and one COVID-IL slot is a reasonable compromise.
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19 | Graydog
ID: 521432422 Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 23:44
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I am not in favor of any changes.
An additional bench spot just makes the waiver wire pool even thinner, lowered games played and IP innings devalues those manage able to hit those maxes (nobody says you need to shoot for them?)
Part of RIBC's awesomeness is the challenge of no IL and very little bench. If players are on the IL for covid, managers have to choose whether to drop them or use a precious bench spot - just like any injury. Our player pool is so deep already that if more people are on IL than typically (because of Covid), it will just open playing time for someone else that may be rosterable.
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20 | Kdl212
ID: 551242515 Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 16:24
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I am not in favor of changing the GP limits.
I support adding 2 rosters spots, filled via 2 extra rounds of draft, but no IL slot. I think our waiver wire player pool is not thin at all but too alluring. You can easily treat 1 hitting slot and 1 pitching slot as a carousel and never lack for decent options day after day. a thinner pool puts more pressure on the strategy of churning roster slots for IP and games played (which is a strategy I support devaluing).
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21 | Matt G
ID: 30411915 Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 10:32
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Gents,
I noticed that I am in both the ESPN and Draftime lists for RIBC... I didn't think I qualified, actually, I know I didn't. I mean I'm not refusing the invite I just wanted to make sure you had the right person :)
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22 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 23:07
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Matt G - oops! How embarrassing.
You are correct. I inadvertently kept you in and knocked out Fosten. Will make the proper adjustments.
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23 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sun, Feb 28, 2021, 13:31
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I want to start the draft selection round early next week. As you recall, we generate a random order of managers, who then choose their draft sequence for the upcoming draft. I'll probably get this going on Monday.
I expect to get the draft itself started sometime around March 11.
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24 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 10:08
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Let's take a poll.
Our current rules provide for four bench slots and no IL slots.
Here are some options for 2021:
A. Add one IL slot B. Add 2 IL slots C. Add one bench slot D. Add one bench and one IL slot E. No change
Please provide your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choices.
Extra bench slots would not be drafted, but only filled by post-draft acquisitions.
IL slots would be available to anyone on the MLB Injured List, and not just the COVID list.
Injured players who are drafted could be added to the IL at the start of the season. But after the draft, if an IL-eligible player is added via waivers or free agency, he could not be added to the IL.
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25 | JeffG
ID: 44182712 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 10:23
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My preference
C - one bench A - one IL E - no change
My preference is the bench spot over the IL because, if a whole team is put on pause for covid, players do not go on the IL, nor does their opponent who is now missing games.
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26 | Toral
ID: 9541311 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 10:37
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D B A
Players who test positive must isolate for 10 days. While their teams may temporarily lose some players who have been in close contact, they will be carrying taxi squads and under a special provision may add players "to the ...Active List temporarily, without the need for those players to be placed on waivers, outrighted, or optioned in order to be removed from the 40-man roster when players return from the COVID-19 Related Injured List."
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27 | Seattle Zen
ID: 301361318 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 10:37
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I agree with JeffG
C,A,E
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28 | maspero
ID: 5815687 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 10:37
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1. Add 2 IL slots 2. Add one bench and one IL slot 3. Add one IL slot
Always in favour of IL slots ... and I would highlight this sentence, that I like very much:
"Injured players who are drafted could be added to the IL at the start of the season. But after the draft, if an IL-eligible player is added via waivers or free agency, he could not be added to the IL"
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29 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 10:47
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C D A
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30 | mmikulka
ID: 4211332822 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 12:02
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C A E
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31 | youngroman
ID: 515013 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 13:57
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C D A
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32 | Graydog
ID: 59256113 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 14:57
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E A B
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33 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 17:42
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Draft selection round!
I took an alphabetical list of managers and resequenced it using a set of random numbers generated at random.org. (Audit copy of the selected numbers were sent directly by email to Youngroman.)
So here's the order that we get to select:
1 Mikulka 2 Fosten 3 Seattle Zen 4 Guru 5 Toral 6 JeffG 7 Holt 8 mailedfoot 9 Smith and 9th 10 maspero 11 Meatwads 12 Nerfherders 13 Graydog 14 Youngroman 15 s R 16 Da Bomb
Mikulka gets first choice. This will be a untimed process (within reason). When you make your selection, please post in this thread. (You can copy the list below and insert you name next to your round.)
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
After you have chosen, if you can figure out how to alert the next picker by email, please do so.
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34 | kdl212
ID: 17825210 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 18:01
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C D A
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35 | Fosten
ID: 3527117 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 18:10
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[26] Good point, Toral. D B A
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36 | Toral
ID: 9541311 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 18:11
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Re: draft order: please give me the highest pick ( = lowest number,
Toral
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37 | mailedfoot
ID: 15825517 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 19:43
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C A E
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38 | mmikulka
ID: 4211332822 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 20:16
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1 2 3 4 mmikulka 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
Next up is Fosten
2 Fosten 3 Seattle Zen 4 Guru 5 Toral 6 JeffG 7 Holt 8 mailedfoot 9 Smith and 9th 10 maspero 11 Meatwads 12 Nerfherders 13 Graydog 14 Youngroman 15 s R 16 Da Bomb
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39 | Fosten
ID: 3111131015 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 21:01
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1 Fosten 2 3 4 mmikulka 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
Next up is Seattle Zen
4 Guru 5 Toral 6 JeffG 7 Holt 8 mailedfoot 9 Smith and 9th 10 maspero 11 Meatwads 12 Nerfherders 13 Graydog 14 Youngroman 15 s R 16 Da Bomb
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40 | Seattle Zen
ID: 57255120 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 21:56
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1 Fosten 2 Seattle Zen 3 4 mmikulka 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
Next up da Guru!
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41 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 23:17
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1 Fosten 2 Seattle Zen 3 4 mmikulka 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Guru 16
Next up is Toral
5 Toral 6 JeffG 7 Holt 8 mailedfoot 9 Smith and 9th 10 maspero 11 Meatwads 12 Nerfherders 13 Graydog 14 Youngroman 15 s R 16 Da Bomb
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42 | Da Bomb Donor
ID: 487112814 Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 01:26
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D C B
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44 | JeffG
ID: 4524320 Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 01:46
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Post [36] Toral takes 3 I’ll take 5
1 Fosten 2 Seattle Zen 3 Toral 4 mmikulka 5 JeffG 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Guru 16
Next up is Holt
7 Holt 8 mailedfoot 9 Smith and 9th 10 maspero 11 Meatwads 12 Nerfherders 13 Graydog 14 Youngroman 15 s R 16 Da Bomb
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45 | s R
ID: 5970131 Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 02:28
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E C A
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46 | holt
ID: 1141721 Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 06:07
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1 Fosten 2 Seattle Zen 3 Toral 4 mmikulka 5 JeffG 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Guru 16 holt
Next up is mailedfoot
8 mailedfoot 9 Smith and 9th 10 maspero 11 Meatwads 12 Nerfherders 13 Graydog 14 Youngroman 15 s R 16 Da Bomb
B D A
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47 | Mailedfoot
ID: 6220210 Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 11:20
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I will take slot #9 please
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48 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 15:01
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1 Fosten 2 Seattle Zen 3 Toral 4 mmikulka 5 JeffG 6 7 8 9 mailedfoot 10 11 12 13 14 15 Guru 16 holt
Next up is Smith & 9th
9 Smith and 9th 10 maspero 11 Meatwads 12 Nerfherders 13 Graydog 14 Youngroman 15 s R 16 Da Bomb
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49 | kdl212
ID: 17825210 Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 18:42
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1 Fosten 2 Seattle Zen 3 Toral 4 mmikulka 5 JeffG 6 7 8 kdl212 9 mailedfoot 10 11 12 13 14 15 Guru 16 holt
Next up is maspero
10 maspero 11 Meatwads 12 Nerfherders 13 Graydog 14 Youngroman 15 s R 16 Da Bomb
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50 | maspero
ID: 5815687 Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 03:15
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1 Fosten 2 Seattle Zen 3 Toral 4 mmikulka 5 JeffG 6 7 Maspero 8 kdl212 9 mailedfoot 10 11 12 13 14 15 Guru 16 holt
Next up is Meatwads
11 Meatwads 12 Nerfherders 13 Graydog 14 Youngroman 15 s R 16 Da Bomb
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51 | Meatwads
ID: 32235314 Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 15:44
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1 Fosten 2 Seattle Zen 3 Toral 4 mmikulka 5 JeffG 6 Meatwads 7 Maspero 8 kdl212 9 mailedfoot 10 11 12 13 14 15 Guru 16 holt
Next up is Nerfherders
12 Nerfherders 13 Graydog 14 Youngroman 15 s R 16 Da Bomb
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52 | Graydog
ID: 521432422 Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 23:35
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I'll take the highest spot available.
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53 | Meatwads
ID: 32235314 Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 06:52
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Vote from Post 24
1. B 2. D 3. A
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54 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 11:25
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All 16 manager have voted (post 24). (I voted D, B, C)
As I expected, there is a mixed result.
The leading first choice was C (add one bench spot), but that garnered only 7 votes - less than half. Options B (two IL) and D (one bench & one IL) combined for 7 votes, suggesting that half the managers thought one extra slot was enough, and half thought that two were preferable.
If I look at the top two choices for everyone, the leader was D (add one bench and one IL), with 10 votes. Choice C only got 8 votes when looking at the top two choices, so not much backup support for that choice.
For the top three choices, the leader was A (one IL slot) with 14. But 9 of those votes were a 3rd choice pick, so it was primarily a fallback.
Only two people had E (do nothing) as a top choice, and only 6 had that in their top three.
So I think the best consensus choice is to add one bench and one IL. We will proceed on that basis. Remember that the extra bench slot will not be drafted.
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55 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 11:35
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[52] Does "highest spot" mean the earliest spot, or the highest numbered (latest) spot.
I'm guessing it means the earliest spot, but I might be mistaken.
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56 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418 Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 13:06
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1 Fosten 2 Seattle Zen 3 Toral 4 mmikulka 5 JeffG 6 Meatwads 7 Maspero 8 kdl212 9 mailedfoot 10 Nerfherders 11 12 13 14 15 Guru 16 holt
Next up is Graydog
13 Graydog 14 Youngroman 15 s R 16 Da Bomb
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57 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418 Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 13:07
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1 Fosten 2 Seattle Zen 3 Toral 4 mmikulka 5 JeffG 6 Meatwads 7 Maspero 8 kdl212 9 mailedfoot 10 Nerfherders 11 Graydog 12 13 14 15 Guru 16 holt
Next up is youngroman
14 Youngroman 15 s R 16 Da Bomb
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58 | youngroman
ID: 515013 Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 13:44
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1 Fosten 2 Seattle Zen 3 Toral 4 mmikulka 5 JeffG 6 Meatwads 7 Maspero 8 kdl212 9 mailedfoot 10 Nerfherders 11 Graydog 12 youngroman 13 14 15 Guru 16 holt
Next up is s R
15 s R 16 Da Bomb
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59 | s R
ID: 224413 Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 14:04
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1 Fosten 2 Seattle Zen 3 Toral 4 mmikulka 5 JeffG 6 Meatwads 7 Maspero 8 kdl212 9 mailedfoot 10 Nerfherders 11 Graydog 12 youngroman 13 s R 14 Da Bomb 15 Guru 16 holt
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60 | Kdl212
ID: 38253417 Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 18:53
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Not sure I understand the limits on using the IL slot. If I draft miguel cabrera in the first round, and he goes on the IL in may (or if I add Tuffy Rhodes after opening day and he goes on the IL a week later) can I put them on the IL and add a player, or is it limited to players on the IL at the time of the draft?
Thanks.
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61 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 22:49
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The only limit is that if you pick up John Doe after the draft and John Doe is on the IL when you pick him up, then you can't put him on the IL.
Essentially, you can't use the IL to warehouse a player who is already on the IL when you add him to your roster. The exception if that if a player is on the IL when you draft him, you can still put him on the IL (after the draft).
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62 | JeffG
ID: 44182712 Fri, Mar 05, 2021, 08:52
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[61] I do not think ESPN supports this... Players can be added to rosters while on the IL via waivers/free agent pick ups.... and once on our roster will allow us to place on the IL.... so I guess we have to self-police this. Once thing we cannot do is add a player right to our IL, so any add does require the available roster spot.
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63 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Mar 05, 2021, 09:00
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[62] Correct, will need to be self-policed.
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64 | holt
ID: 19254821 Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 22:56
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I'm sure it's posted but do we have a draft date set yet?
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65 | JeffG
ID: 44182712 Tue, Mar 09, 2021, 08:40
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Holt:
From our Draftime page, likely the soft launch
Proposed Start: 03/10/21 08:00 am ET
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67 | Toral
ID: 9541311 Tue, Mar 09, 2021, 08:58
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On March 1, Guru said in a league e-mail: "I still anticipate starting the actual draft around March 11."
Prediction: the draft will be opened Wednesday for queue setting (and early picking for those so inclined) but will not officially start until Thursday.
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68 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 10:29
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Yes, Toral has the pattern down.
I will open up draftime either tonight or first thing tomorrow morning. The first round will be untimed. After the first round, we'll revert to a 4 hour clock, with the same limitations as usual. I'll post more explicit guidelines when the draft opens.
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