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Subject: PFAL Preseason/Draft Discussion

Posted by: I hate philadelphia - [430482218] Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 17:15

Just starting a thread for draft discussion

I hate philadelphia
ID: 430482218
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 17:16

I noticed on the draft thread that someone said all bids are ended
on Monday. Did I miss something? I thought all players are bid on
until there is more than 12 hours between bids.

JackHammers@work
ID: 441143514
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 17:34

Re: Philly, 12 hours on weekends and 8 hrs on weekdays. 4pm Monday id the first possible time a player could be awarded if todays bids were to stand until then. That's assuming the clock starts at 8am. I saw Wiggs posted something about 7am. I guess we're still working on that.

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 17:36

i was just saying what we went with on football. I am leaving it up to JT to set a clock.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 18:52

The Clock will start on Monday at 8 AM Central Time

(I believe we have some west coast people so I don't want to make it to early for them.)

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 19:56

Clock will also run from 8 AM CST till 12 AM CST

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 20:04

i dont really see starting earlier as too early. Like I am on the west coast so i should be able to check before bed when the clock has stopped. So if I check then I wont have to check again til 2PM PT. there is certainly room to shrink the clock if needed.

JackHammers@work
ID: 441143514
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 21:10

Helpful Chart JT. Could I suggest adding a time stamp?

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 21:19

Yea no problem Jackhammer, Ill get that timestamp in there for the next update

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 22:20

gone for the night time to head to work, will update in the morning when I get home.

DB
ID: 291462213
Sun, Feb 24, 2008, 17:16

I just want to make sure I know the rules regarding releasing players.

If I release a player during the season is there any salary cap penalty?

JackHammers@work
ID: 441143514
Sun, Feb 24, 2008, 20:36

no, not unless you have signed him to a long term contract. You won't have anyone under contract this year

Good thing the clock starts tomorrow. I think everyone wants some action, the guys on the board are getting maxed out

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Sun, Feb 24, 2008, 20:56

what we did in football was up to a certain point- if you waived someone you will get half of the money back that you spend on the player. Maybe the allstar break or something.

JTSERB
ID: 5045283
Sun, Feb 24, 2008, 22:30

Didnt update this morning as only one new bid when I checked. Headed to work. Will update in the morning.

re 11: Yea looks like everyone is ready to go!

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 02:07

Re 10,11,12

There is no need for a refund either. I guess this is a good point to make very clear. Your $260 is for you to spend at the draft, spend it all, there is no reason to hold any money back Once the draft is over, free agents can picked up at will and their salary is $10. There is no more salary cap that you have to stay under until next year's draft. Thats when you decide who and how many to keep. Next year you will start the draft with $260 minus the salaries of all the players you are keeping.

There is no reason not to spend everything at the draft. After the draft, once you start picking up free agents the value of your team will certainly exceed $260. but that doesnt come into play again until next year's draft. when you get back under the cap by cutting players.

The $260 is for drafting 23 players. (25 in our case.) If any of you are reading the player values in some of the magazines, those #'s are based on a$260 mixed league draft for 23 players, or some variation of that.

Please dont let somebody buy the next Hank Aaron at the end of the draft for $1 because you thought you couldn't bid anymore because you wanted have money left over.

I don't want to get too much into strategy because theres alot of them and I'm sure many of you have looked into it and are coming up with your own. And of course I'm not playing to lose either! But I think this is an important point thats needs to be clarified in fairness.

The only place to buy players under $10 is at the draft. Once the draft is over all players you pick up are valued at $10.

In the last thread I posted 2 options for how to pick up players.
1. All free agent pick ups and waiver wire pick ups are $10

or
2.An allocated budget of $100 for the season for bidding on free agents. weekly bids, whatever.

JT opted for 1. I assumed to simplify a little. Much, much easier to manage the league that way in season.

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 02:27

There are other points I would be willing to make but I don't to blow anybody else's strategy thats been doing some homework.

Just keep in mind that in Auctions you can have any player you want. It's just a matter of how much you'll pay and how much the other guy wants him. When to spend money, and on who.....well, thats your strategy :)

Toral
ID: 575542418
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 02:36

1. FAs are $5, not $10. See the rules as finally sent out by JTSerb.

2. One thing about the rules I don't understand --"2.8. The salary of a player drafted in the minor league draft is $0. If you want to bring a player from your minor league roster to your active roster there is a $5 fee."

Where does this $5 fee come from? We will have spent our $260 and have no money....

3. I would like to encourage the league to adopt a FAAB system, as JackHammer originally suggested. I don't think this would be changing the rules in mid-stream, as no-one's bids yet could be influenced by what FA system we have.

My problem, and Twarpy first pointed this out to me, is this: closer changes. Joe Blow gets anointed closer. We're on Yahoo! First guy to notice drops a $1 player, picks him up -- for nothing, only a $5 salary which means nothing until next year. It kind of goes against the whole philosophy of this system/game/league, which honours forethought. It ought to be weekly bids, or something like that.

I urge the Commish, and other smart auction players like Jackhammer and wiggs, to work together and add a FAAB bidding system to our rules. $100 budget, $200, $300, $10, whatever.

Toral

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 02:48

I'm fine with whatever we do. We just have to do it now. The bidding system during the season.takes some work obviously. We would have to come up with something. Wiggs knows more about what we did in football.

I can elaborate more if we are going to take this any further.

I assume Toral is correct that free agents are $5. My email is f'd up, I didnt see the final draft of the rules.

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 02:52

FAAB huh Toral? Doing some reading are you? :)

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 03:03

lemme try this email address. Could somebody forward that final draft of the rules? maybe post that you did so I don't get a bunch of copies Thanks

Toral
ID: 575542418
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 03:18

Will send, but they're also on a website, here.

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 03:21

By the way, grabbing Joe Blow the annointed closer (Re:16) at the draft for $1 is more aforethought than picking him up off of the free agent list later. ;).

Toral
ID: 575542418
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 03:23

Couldn't send.

Message:
The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by the server. The rejected e-mail address was 'teamatomic_2@yahoo,com'.Server Response: '501 5.5.4 Invalid Address', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): Yes, Server Error: 501, Error Number: 0x800CCC79

Sorry!

Toral

Toral
ID: 575542418
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 03:25

21 Sure, there are obvious prospective closers to be picked up for $1. But there will be more new closers than any bunch of 13 people could pick up for $1.

Toral

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 03:36

Thanks. I got it at the website.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 05:02

Can you explain FAAB more? It sounds like it woudl work very well. I have no problem with keeping tack of extra things. I am very good with excel and it really isn't a hassle at all.

Toral
ID: 575542418
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 05:45

wiggs and JackHammer could explain it better. Basically you are given a set amount for the year, doesn't matter what amount, and once every period, say every week, everyone bids on new free agents (whether guyz who just got called up to the majors, or some guy who is not on a roster but is suddenly a starter). You have to ration your money.

So distribution of FA's is like in the original auction -- everyone has a set amount of dollars and must use them wisely, rather than me picking up the new closer because I'm on the computer when the announcement is made.

I will look up some typical FAAB rules on the net, and it won't be hard to find good precedents for written rules, but guyz like JackHammer and wiggs could explain it better.

Toral

DB
ID: 291462213
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 07:01

Let me get this right, there is no $260 salary cap during the year?

I can spend all $260 during the draft and no have to worry about saving some cash to drop a $1 player and add a $5 FA?

I hate philadelphia
ID: 430482218
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 07:18

I'm fine with FAAB as well. In a NL only keeper league I am in we
use waivers for the first 2 months of the season, and then after that
we have a $100 Faab budget. You can bid anywhere from $0 to
$100 on any player. If two teams tie the lower ranked team wins
the player.

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 08:32

I am not a huge fan of the spend all your money at the draft and no cost for a FA. In football we had to bid on FAs and that was what i expected to do here. There isnt alot of strategy involved in the whole thing if we can spend the whole 260 and make unlimited moved throughout the season.

I like what we did in football:
you spend what you spend then the FAs are bid on with remaining money. If you waive a player you will get half his contract back.

This might be harder in baseball because there are games everyday, so we could go with every FA pick up is 5 dollars. That seems like it will be ok, but i do think we need to charge for pick ups.

Toral
ID: 575542418
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 08:50

Well it's too late to change the rules so that part of your $260 has to be used for FAs, IMO. That would change the valuation of players and we'd have to start the draft over or at least let people retract current bids.

I'll try to find some FAAB wording options later today for people to look at.

Toral

DB
ID: 401291112
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 09:18

So, can we spend the entire $260 during the draft? Or do we need to save money to pick up FA during the year? Also if we drop a player we buy how much of his salary will be given back or during the season is there no salary cap? I really think we need a solid ruling on this today, because this will have a large impact on how I draft and probably everyone else as well. I just need to know if I need to have some cap space available or not and the cost of dropping and adding players.

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 09:23

I am going to still help with the auction portion of the draft, but i will not be helping anymore with the rules set up. I think there are too many people contributing and it is making things more confusing then they need to be.

I hate philadelphia
ID: 4031169
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 09:47

I second what wiggs and Toral are saying. There are too many chefs in teh kitchen, and If we change whether we can spend the entire $260 on the draft then we definitely need to start the draft over.

Thats also a move I would be deadset against.

DB
ID: 401291112
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 09:53

Sounds good, so are we to assume that we should spend the entire $260 on the draft and we will have a separte FA budget?

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 13:25

I've got some info coming on this, I just don't type very well

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 13:33

Guys I don't mean to be confusing anyone or changing anything. What I'm trying to avoid is problems happening later. If I see a post that gives me the indication that something isn't perfectly clear and everyone may not be on the same page, I'm just trying to nip a future potential problem in the bud. What is a very small issue now could become much bigger if its not clarified now. These issues are very easy to resolve right now, they won't be later. I feel somewhat responsible to help JT with some of this because I pushed the idea of an auction. I'm just trying to lay out the options that have stood the test of time. Remember you don't just have to think about this year.

In our football league we keep money at the end to aquire free agents. However its not a keeper league. My opinion is that next year and future years, when you start looking at who you're going to keep, and what their salaries are, you are going to have to get under that 260 cap. If you are also trying to factor in how much money to save for buying free agents, then you're looking at 240? 220? who knows. Then you are talking about published values of players being different in the resources you are using. It's all manageable of course, we just have to clarify for everyone what we are doing.

FAAB

The Free Agent Aquisition Budget is for signing free agents after the draft is over. Right now this league is not set up with one. My league does the same as PhillyHaters league. We use waivers until the AllStar break at $10 per pick up. Then each team gets a $100 supplementary budget strictly for bidding on and aquiring free agents through through Sept 1.

If we were to do an FAAB system it could go something like this:

-each team has, for the purpose of aquiring free agents during the course of the season, a supplementary budget of $100 the FAAB.

-At the deadline eastablished (weekly?), each team may submit sealed bids for 1 or more free agents. Minimum bid $1, maximum is the amount remaining in the team's FAAB.

-if more than one team bids the same amount, the player goes to the team that is lowest in the most recently compiled standings.

-the salary of the aquired player is his aquisition price, his contract is that of a first year player.

-for each free agent that it signs, a team must waive/release a player

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 13:45

I'm all for what JackHammers suggested.

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 14:10

Some things to consider:

Right now we are set up to aquire free agents without limit at a $5 salary in a free agent format. That is, daily pickups with 1st come, 1st served aquisition. Thats about 180 days right?

If you are trying to save money from your initial 260 to make these pick ups how many moves are you realistically going to be able to make? 5? 10? Is that really enough action for you?

dpr
ID: 1733917
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 14:16

I think as set up the free agent pick ups dont come out of our initial draft budget. The $5 only comes into play when if we choose to keep the player for additional years. At least that was my understanding. I would prefer to keep 260 as hte draft budget with no meaning once the season starts and would be alright with a seperate free agent budget

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 14:27

OK everyone here is how everything is going to work. It needs to be clarified so we can move ahead with the draft.

DRAFT
The $260 is for the Draft. Spend it all on the draft. There is no reason not to and would be foolish if you didn't.

FA SYSTEM

I am sorry for not clarifying everything on this before the draft. I have talked to some of the managers in the league and we are going with the FAAB system. It seems that this will work the best for our league without any changed needed for the draft. Other changed would need a restart of the draft which we have no time for.

Upon completion of the Auction Draft each managers will receive $100 in allocated money for FA pickups and Minor League Callups which is a $5 fee that will be taken out of your FAAB balance.

So please go ahead with the Auction. You have all $260 to spend on it.

Thanks
JT

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 14:28

I will post the exact rules of the FAAB for this league sometime today or tomorrow. There is no need to rush for the rules as they have no effect on the draft.

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 14:52

Dumb question:

4:00pm central is 5:00pm eastern right?

Toral
ID: 575542418
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 14:52

Very good. Thanx.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 14:58

yea Jackhammer that is correct.

DB
ID: 291462213
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 15:19

So, at 4 pm if the guy each personed nomitated sells then that person nominates a new player?

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 15:25

Correct DB, If you win a player you must throw another player into the pull. Use the following format.

*** NEW PLAYER ***

Player Name, Position, Team, Bid Amount

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 15:26

A little clarification to the post above. You only get to add a player to the auction if you WIN the player not if you were the one who originally put him up for bid

DB
ID: 291462213
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 15:26

If I win 2 players do I throw in 2 new players?

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 15:26

Yes for each player you win you put a player in

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 15:40

Post 40: So at most we get 20 add/drops through the season? If each costs $5 and we have a $100 budget for the whole season assuming every player we get is at the minimum we're capped at 20 moves?

Am I reading this correctly?

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 15:47

the $100 dollars is your allocated funds for bidding on a FA.

I haven't drawn up all the rules, but basically itll be like.

Every Sunday you have the option to Add/DROP players. If you want to ADD someone you must send me a bid on him. Ill set some sort of deadline and the player will go to the highest bidder.

Now you can bid $0 dollars on a FA if no one else bids on him he is yours.

There will be no extra $5 fee for the player, just what you bid on him.

The $5 fee is only for minor league call ups.

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 16:01

How will you handle your own bids JT?

This is my email that should work. I can make some suggestions if you like. Maybe I can get on a messenger later if you want.

We can hash it here too, but i have a feeling thats starting to give some people a headache,,

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 16:01

Khahan just to let ya know your up in RIBC AAA

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 16:04

...and I'm ready to start ranting on some players I did/didn't get as they start to get awarded

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 16:12

Not sure on how we will handle my bids. I dont really have time to discuss it today. Im getting ready for a concert now and will be gone all night. We can chat tomorrow.

Im gone for the night everyone.

Wiggs, Jack-Hammers, Toral if you around please keep tabs if you dont mind

Toral
ID: 575542418
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 16:38

By my reckoning there are 5 players who will be sold at 5:00 ET and thus 5 managers who should nominate new players:

JTSERB (Holliday)
DB (Sizemore)
wiggs (Santana)
I hate philadelphia (Wright)
Kyle (Cabrera)

Does that look right?

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 16:39

Not that it really makes a difference, but wouldn't it make more sense to say the minimum bid is $1?

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 16:39

For FA pickups, that is.

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 16:43

true toral, as long as no one else bids on them before 5

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 16:46

do we auction prospects as well? or just pick them?

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 16:48

how did I know that was coming.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 16:48

I would have bid on him regardless of whether post 56 was made or not.

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 16:51

it doesnt matter if you would or wouldnt have, but the point is its 14 minutes away from selling and someone posts and immediately there is another bid. It is a joke.

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 16:52

So the table that JTSerb had posted throughout the day that showed when players would expire, didn't alert us Wiggs?

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 16:56

that is like mentioning an undrafted player. Everyones cheatsheets show player x is available, but you still dont say it on the boards

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 16:58

So JTSERB shouldnt post when players expire either? I'm confused on what went on that is illegal, no one is mentioning players that havent been nominated yet, so I don't think your comparison holds.

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 16:59

whatever, twarpy, you arent involved in this anyways. I am not even talking to you.

Toral
ID: 575542418
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:03

Sorry, wiggs. If that is improper I didn't realize it. In the future I'll keep quiet till time expires.

DB
ID: 291462213
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:04

Is Sizemore mine or not? The last bid was made at 4 PM CST , but according to the chart by JTSERB the "time bid will win" is 4 PM CST so since the bid was not made until 4 pm is Sizemore mine or not?

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:04

Real mature Wiggs.

Onto another matter what is the ruling when someone makes a bid right on the minute of the deadline? IE WG's for Sizemore at 4:00CST? Is that legit?

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:05

WGs bid on sizemore was too late. It needed to be made before 4 pm cst.

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:06

real mature? Thats exactly what it was. I am not going to argue with you about something that has nothing to do with you. you want to argue with me thats up to you

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:08

Wiggs, I just want future clarification so we all know what is acceptable, IE JTSERB posted his chart and hour before, but Torals 22 mins before was an apparent violation. Personally I think it affects the whole league and not your conspiracy that Toral was trying to promote someone to bid on the players he had mentioned.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:11

I'll trade you $34 for Sizemore.

Toral
ID: 575542418
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:12

My motive: in 55, JTSERB asked me and 2 other guyz to keep tabs while he was gone. That's all I was trying to do. I basically assumed that anyone who wantd to bid more would have done so.

I can see how it would be annoying to be expecting to win a player and have someone mention his name. In the future I won't do it.

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:12

posting a chart is totally different. the chart isnt posting only players that will be expiring within a few minutes.

I mean think about it, those 2 players were there for over 8 hours each then as soon as he posted WG bid on both. coincidence? Maybe, maybe not

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:13

toral, I am not upset with you about doing it, I just knew it would happen/. Happened in football numerous times.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:17

1. It is a common strategy to wait til the clock is about to expire before bidding again.
2. If you'll notice, I haven't bid on anyone yet... I've had a ton of work to do and just knew that the earliest I had to check in was like 4:45... hence, both of my bids being placed after 4:45.

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:18

I don't know WG's intentions, but I do notice that most people login at a specific time of the day to check the bids, in knowing that 5:00 there might finally be some fresh faces on the board. I did a quick look at the current prices and decided that I didn't want to bid on anyone, but with or without Toral's post for the past couple of days everyone knew that the first potential lot of players were expiring at 5:00 today.

I can understand why you were upset at Torals post, but to say I'm in no way involved and therefore you won't even "talk" to me is juvenile in my opinion.

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:27

Can one of the 3 people declare the winners of the players. We should have a post declaring a 15 minutes window to point out missed bids and then at the end of that a post declaring the winners. I am here to nominate the next player.

Also I don't see the problem with the Santana bid. Twarpy was one of the 3 in charge of keeping tabs on the bids and he was clarifying that those were the bids who were expiring. While it can be said what he did caused the bid, there is a chart in the Auction thread stating when and who the winners are.

What I am more concerned about is announcing winners of the players.

JTSERB
ID: 5045283
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:28

winners have been announced

JTSERB
ID: 5045283
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:30

Ok and now im really gone for the night now :)

Just a quick note: Guys just settle down. This is a very competitive leauge, great managers.. lets keep it this way.

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:45

Twarpy, i think you took my post the wrong way. I wasnt saying i will not talk to you, i was saying you werent the person I was talking to at the time.

FYI, I have sent a message to JT saying i am considering pulling out of the league. I do not like the way somethings have gone so far. The way things have been done to this point are not what i expected and I am not sure I want to continue. If I do leave it will just set the league at 12 which is probably better then 13 anyways. As of now i am only leading on 1 guy and if worst case you can just remove my bid and go back to the previous bidder.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 520591413
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 18:38

I don't think anything has been even remotely shady or inappropriate up to this point, and I cannot fathom why you would think they have been. I also disagree that dropping from 13 to 12 does not have any effect, as with 25 less players drafted, the FA pool becomes 25 players richer... managers who held off on bids for some of the players that went off may have bid $1 more on these guys believing they would compensate with good cheap players that they believe would be around with only 12 teams in the league instead of 13.

I don't believe anything that has happened so far cannot be fixed (except maybe for me getting Sizemore, since DB doesn't seem to like my $34 offer :) ). Toral apologized for posting what he did, even though I'm not even sure he needed to. If you really think I was tipped off on Santana, why not just bid $37 on him? Wouldn't that be better than dropping out of the league?

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 18:40

I had Frank Gore as my 3rd runningback for $5 in our football auction two years ago. With 8 minutes till the clock expired somebody made a bid and the clock restarted. He ended up going for around $20 long after I couldn't afford him.

It sucked, its cruel and brutal but it happens. I try not to do that if I can help it. But its perfectly within the rules to do. Even if you don't even want a guy but you can't stand to let him get taken for that cheap.

What tends to happen is the manager who gets F'd turns around and does it to you when you're in that position. I try not to do that too often for that reason. Plus it will slow down the draft. Sometimes though it just can't be avoided.

As far as posting something when a guy is about to be won, I think we should try to stay away from that. There's no rule against it and today was a little different because its the first draft for many and the first day players were to be awarded. I considered posting something myself just to make sure everyone knew that the 1st players were about to go. But I didn't want to fk the bidders and and the bids were all reasonable.

Overall I think we should stay away from that and be gentlemen. I dont think today's posts were a big deal because of the situation. I kind of expected it to happen and get talked about.

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 19:01

Also, if you notice that a bid has been won and not confirmed by any "moderator", there's nothing wrong with a post asking for somebody to confirm it. Do your best though to be right.

And I really think we should be putting the new players in bold. Much easier to scroll down and find them

dpr
ID: 1733917
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 22:25

BTW would it be possible to refer to the times that people go off the board in EST since that is what the board clock says? especially for those of us in neither of those time zones it will make things easier

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 22:25

Sorry I hit back too many times and ended up reposting a bid. It's clearly below the current price so disregard it.

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 22:39

I'd like to second the motion that we use EST for bidding because it matches the guru clock and just makes keeping track of things much easier.

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 22:42

I am fine with changing my charts so when I post them they are congruent with the boards.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 22:58

How come ARod hasn't gone off yet?

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 23:09

He did go off and Goldcoach named Aramis Ramirez to the board.

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 23:17

There are more things that I dont like about the league then the fact that players were brought up before they were won. If you dont see it as being wrong for someone to post player x will be going off the board in 14 minutes then that is a problem. I mean you are basically saying heads up on this player, but that is not the only thing i dont like. I totally hate the idea of having a separate FA pool of money. I have never seen that done before. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but that wasnt how i expected it to be. I also feel like the is absolutely no way we are going to finish this on time and that sucks. As for Santana I had him maxed out at a certain value and i am not sure I want to go any higher.

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 23:24

I understand what wiggs is getting at here. Its one thing to simply post to keep everybody informed. Its another thing to say, "Hey, player X is about to expire, get your bids in now." The unsaid part could easily be "Because his price is lower than he's worth and that manager is getting a deal."

Now, I don't believe for one second that that is what Toral was trying to do. I think he was just trying to honestly make sure people were aware that the first deadline was coming up.

But I do agree with the sentiment Wiggs is getting at that from here forward we shouldn't post those players about to expire unless you are an 'auctioneer' and giving a simple update of the current state of the auction as a whole.

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 23:27

Toral,
Let me tell you, I dont think you were doing anything shady or cheap. I apologize to you if you think i was. I just have had that happen to me a couple times before and I think if you were in my shoes you would probably get annoyed that you just lost Santana in the last minutes and it just so happened within minutes of when you made your post.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 23:35

well I hope you end up staying in the league because I think that you would alter more things than u claim by leaving.

In terms of posting the players about to be off..I'm not sure what the protocol is her but I dont see that big a difference from the charts which are placed in the thread arbitrarily through the day. I guess they include all the players and maybe that matters. So from now on we include all the players. In the case that already happened there is only one of those players that was Toral listed which was voted on (admittedly ure player I believe) but if we take wg at his word he had a plan to make a bet then anyways. So in that case nothing was lost by posting the chart this one time if we stop doing it.

In terms of free agent money. I am in favor of doing it this way. personally I have no idea how you are supposed to bet in an auction. I can read the guides which give dollar values and put my own spin on it to get what I want to spend but I ahve no idea how much money would be needed for FA acquisitions (20, 40, ??). I think leaning this way would give to much an advantage to the players with experience. Also the fact that all the guides are written as if $260 is to be spent leads me to believe this is the normal way of doing things. Don't see anything wrong with doing it this way.

In terms of finishing I would hope we can get it done. As its set up we need roughly one round of layers to go off a day. Maybe ambitious but reasonable i would hope. Also my impression is that the combination of deadtime and time for a running a pick to expire could be shrunk. As it is you could go 16 hrs without checking in over night which can clearly be cut if needed later in the draft. Also I really think as long as we are good to go by 3/31 we are set. Just make sure the As and Sox players are drafted before then and fill ni hte rest of the rosters. It seems to me we can get it done. But you do have the experience.

Hope you stay

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 23:43

twarpy, you havent said anything since my post about you. I hope you understand what I was saying.

100

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 23:48

Was just trying to keep the peace, and be quiet since I seemed to be pissing you off. I understand what you were saying, and agree that tensions were probably high when they shouldn't have been.

I agree that we need to step up the pace a little, and maybe we should consider adding a few more players to the mix to speed things up.

101

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 23:56

I'd like to propose that we cut the bid time from 8hours down to 6 hours.

102

dpr
ID: 1733917
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 23:57

Id be more in favor of cutting the dead time first.

103

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 00:08

Yeah I agree on cutting deadtime, as long as there aren't any objections I know some people are in different time zones, have different jobs etc and wouldnt be fair to them unless everyone agrees.

104

Toral
ID: 575542418
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 07:48

wiggs, I can very much understand how having a FA rule which is different be adopted, and having a player you had high bid mentioned and then losing him (although the new bidder said he was going to bid anyway) could sour one on a league and make one want to get out, just because some of the enjoyment had been taken away.

However I understand that the FAAB system is common and you might find it challenging; and the etiquette of not mentioning players late is now established, so I hope that after thinking it over you decide to stay.

I would support cutting the time back to 6 hours and reducing the dead time.

105

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 07:55

6 hours works for me.

106

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 08:14

I am going to stay, I have had a chance to cool down and I feel better about the whole thing now.

107

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 08:17

I still need to know if Prospects come out of the 260 or not. Anyone know?

108

Toral
ID: 575542418
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 08:22

The rules say: "Following the major league auction, a four-round minor league draft will take place. In the first year of the league, the order of selection in the first round will be random and will use snake style draft."

I have been assuming that this is an ordinary draft, no bidding, nothing coming out of the $260.

109

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 08:26

Thanks toral,

I think i have all the confirmed winners posted in a new thread with the money remaining. If I missed anyone let me know and I will double check.

Thanks

110

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 08:27

If one of you guys that know how to make the fancy charts are around will you make a new chart and post it in a new thread. If we make a new thread each day it will make it alot less confusing. Thanks

111

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 09:08

Couple of housekeeping request for bids (some of these are ideas from others:
1) New bidding thread for each day (or at the least every other day but keep it fresh)

2) Posting new players should be in bold.

3) Posting bids on players that are not new should not be bold (kind of defeats the purpose of bolding new players)

4) Please post new players with first & last name, position, team and your opening bid

5) Please post bids for availalbe players with first & last names.

6) No mentioning of expiring bids unless you are one of the auctioneers posting a full chart.

7) No more calling each other sissy-babies. ;)

112

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 09:10

I would vote not to make a change in the clock until after the clock stops tonight... seems like that would be the most fair thing and give most people a chance to see that a switch has been made.

113

Toral
ID: 575542418
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 09:11

Agree with 112.

114

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 09:59

Agree with 112

and I'd like to add an amendment to post 111:

8) People cannot overbid me.

Fair? Ok. Good.

115

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 10:03

i dont know if we should shorten the clock or extend the available hours. I am sure anyone who works away from a computer will have issues with 6 hours during the day. As opposed to making the draft run an extra hour in the AM and an extra hour in the PM. That way you can still check before bed, or in the AM and not miss anyone.

116

wazaaap_guy
ID: 520591413
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 11:12

quick question, aren't we drafting 25 players? in the winning bids thread, it seems to read that we are drafting 26.

117

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 11:40

WG you are right, it is 25, I thought it was 26. I will fix it.

118

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 12:07

Amendment to 114.

8)People can not over bid original bidders bid :)

I am at work but I should be able to crank out an update around 3EST/2CST

119

JTSERB @ FRIENDS
ID: 351442611
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 12:55

Just woke up, kind of hungover from last night. Concert was kick ass. Not a Foo Fighters fan really, but they play a hell of a live show. I would recommend them.

Im going to head home in a bit. When I get home I will process all the information that has been posted when Im gone and give my thoughts.

Thanks to everyone for keeping up on this while I was gone.

120

wazaaap_guy
ID: 520591413
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 12:57

Would someone mind making an updated chart?

121

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 13:05

New chart is made and a new thread is started for bids. I don't know about anyone else but that one was starting to get too long.

JTSerb, I am extremely jealous, if I didn't have class last night I would have gone to that show. I love the Foo, and Against Me

122

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 15:22

Made another webpage here is the link for everyones current roster.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p0lRPvy5cS0CSXK3yrHJmGw

123

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 15:33

Wiggs, Im glad you changed your mind and stayed.

There are going to be a lot of kinks and setbacks for this first year there is no doubt. There are quite a few people that are not really familiar with the auction format (including myself), but as I have stated before we have a solid group of managers here and we should be able to get through anything. With that being said.

It seems people want to change the clock? I have no problem leaving it at 8 hours for the bid, but making the the clock say from 7 AM EST till 2 AM est time?

Everyone chime in im game for anything.

124

dpr
ID: 161352614
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 15:41

I like the clock changes refered to by JTSERB. Still plenty of time to sleep you don't ahve to be at your computer all day either

125

JackHammers@work
ID: 44122616
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 17:02

Clock change is fine with me. I work nights so 2am is actually better for me,

I also wouldn't mind adding another round of players to the board if people are worried about finishing.

126

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 17:26

Yeah, I don't know every bit of auction etiquette, but our league seems to eliminate the $1 increments, and by the time I see most players they have bid to a fair level that you don't need to check in several times a day.

I would propose we all add another player, and possibly work with 26 guys, or have everyone nominate a player send it to an email address, eliminate any duplicates and see how many we got.

127

JackHammers@work
ID: 44122616
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 18:10

Liriano at 16 could be a hell of a buy if he returns to form. Season after an injury is always a question mark. Definitely a keeper and maybe even an extension as young as he is.
Bargains are tough to come by early in the draft but he could really turn out to br one of them

128

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 19:06

The Clock starting tomorrow morning will be 8 hours, but will run from 7am est - 2 am est so make sure everyone bids accordingly

129

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 19:10

I'm fine with the clock change, it's currently 7-1 est right? So what does an extra hour hurt.

Not to rehash an old topic but I am a bit confused with how the FAAL work. I understand we have $100 extra to play around with, and I also understand that FAs are now being auctioned off on Sunday. What I don't know is if the $5 charge for bringing a minor leaguer off of the roster would count towards this $100 I have for FAs or if it's going to count against my $260 I have for my roster. Should I save an extra $10 or so to bring up a minor leaguer?

130

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 19:26

The $5 fee for bringing up Minor leaguers comes from your $100 dollars.

Spend all your 260 on the draft

131

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 19:29

Cool, I like that.

132

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 20:24

JT will you be around tomorrow during the day because I'll only be able to post a chart tomorrow around 8 am est/7 cst but that could be it until about 5 pm est/ 4 cst

133

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 20:47

I work tomorrow night at 8 pm. I should be around roughly 10 am 4 pm

134

dpr
ID: 1733917
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 20:51

looking at the website you created for people rosters which is pretty cool btw I dont think AROD has been SS eligible for a few years. just a quick fix

135

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 20:56

Will take care of it thanks DPR

136

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 21:18

The $5 fee for bringing up Minor leaguers comes from your $100 dollars.

I like this idea, just curious though where the $5 was coming from before FAAB was introduced as it said so in the original rules.

Also is there an IP limit?

137

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 00:18

kyle I believe it currently is running 9-1 EST so it was an addition of 3hrs on the clock time

138

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 00:23

I noticed that when I left for a bit and I forgot to add a player, this could slow us down.

Therefore, there is a new rule

If you owe a player. You have 2 hours CLOCK TIME to add the new player to the bidding. If you do not add the player I will add one for you.

139

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 00:24

what if you arent here to add?

140

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 00:30

If the allocated time of 2 hours is up and I have not posted a player within 5 minutes it is 1st come first serve. Whoever is in this league is allowed to add a player. Sound ok?

141

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 00:30

also couldnt that pose a problem in the later rounds when there is strategy to being the person to list th guy for one dollar? or some amount that certain people can't match?

Id be more in favor in adding a few more players to the pool if we are worried about time

142

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 00:30

Is there an IP limit?

143

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 00:34

WG, I wanted a IP limit of 1350 for this league of , but since I did not put one in the rules before we started im not sure if it would be fair if wee added one now

If the league is 100 percent for adding IP limit we will do it.

144

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 00:35

re 141: You are right about that DPR, I didnt think about that. Good Point.

Thanks for helping me commish along the way guys. You going to make the best damn commish out of me yet! lol

145

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 00:47

Khahan and Twarpy, please go to sleep now and check back in around 6pm tomorrow evening

146

Toral
ID: 575542418
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 00:55

I'm in favour of a maximum. 1350 sounds like a good number.

I believe we need a standard minimum as well. Without one, there are certain strtegies possible which could really distort and wreck the league IMO.

Toral

147

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 00:59

since there are weekly transactions and they cost money meaning yo cant just rotate thru the waiver wire I think a innings pitched limit isn't as needed. But I would be fine with any solution here. I can see how somebody could have already let the lack of limits influence their draft strategy tho so I think if even one person dissents we cant ahve one

148

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 01:04

Yea DPR thats why we will not put one in place unless every member of the league votes for it.

So Far For Max of 1350 IP

JTSERB
TORAL
DPR

149

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 01:05

I vote for the limit.

150

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 01:07

1350 MAX IP LIMIT

JTSERB
TORAL
DPR
WG

151

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 01:09

The fact that we are doing weekly and not daily pick ups, softens the need for max innings, but I am not opposed to it.

My other league does use a minimom. 900 innings. so I've never seen somebody use the all reliever strategy, would be funny to watch, In the original Rotisserie League they wrote that one guy tried it' and they added the the minimum a year or two later. He didn't finish in the money.

I'm OK with whatever direction we go with this

I

152

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 01:12

1350 MAX IP

FOR
JTSERB
TORAL
WG

Neutral
DPR
JACKHAMMERS

153

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 01:35

I'd be for Max IP.

154

I hate philadelphia
ID: 430482218
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 05:50

in a weekly league with FAAB I think its more important to have a
minimum number of innings pitched and atbats than it is to have a
maximum.

155

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 07:55

vote for max

156

I hate philadelphia
ID: 4031169
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 08:42

I see no need for a maximum in this league given teh current settings. I do see a big need for a minimum. That said if I'm the only one against a maximum I'm fine in going with the crowd

157

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 09:01

What did we end up deciding about the clock. It will change when players come off the board so I want to be prepared.

158

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 09:02

I would vote against a max ip as well.

159

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 09:12

I would vote against a max innings and for a minimum innings.

160

Toral
ID: 575542418
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 09:51

wiggs,re clock see 128.

161

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 10:51

There will be NO MAX on IP.

We now need to vote on (and will need 100%) on the need for a MIN IP

I propose a MIN of 1000 IP

162

Toral
ID: 575542418
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 10:55

Why so high? Given that this is being decided late, why not a more standard minimum like 700 IP?

163

I hate philadelphia
ID: 4031169
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 10:59

700 IP could be accomplished using only relievers. Having a limit so low would kind of defeat the purpose.

You should easily surpass 1000 IP if you have 2 starters on your team.

164

Toral
ID: 575542418
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 11:00

OK, fair enuf. I vote YES.

165

Kyle@work
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 11:06

Minimum, yes.

166

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 11:08

1000 MIN IP

For
JTSERB
PHILLY
TORAL
KYLE
Khahan

167

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 11:39

I vote no, I've been in many leagues where you could win with about 1000 IP, we already have counting categories of W, S, K's that take into account using your IP, I dont want to have to sacrifice WHIP/ERA if I have 950 IP because one of my starters went down.

168

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 12:06

YES TO 1000 MINIMUM IP

169

I hate philadelphia
ID: 4031169
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 12:25

Explain how saves are effected by IP and I'll agree with you. If I drafted 9 closers I would win Saves ERA and WHIP, probably be in the middle of the pack in K's too.

All for about 500 IP

170

I hate philadelphia
ID: 4031169
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 12:27

To add to that I'm fine with not having a IP limit, just don't complain when I don't come near 1000 IP

171

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 12:51

WHAT HAPPENS IF IP ENDS UP LESS THAN THE MINIMUM? fINE ON NEXT YEARS 260 OR LOSS OF STATS? ITS EASY TO CAP A MAX AND NOT ALLOW FUTURE STATS, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST MINIMUM I'VE ENCOUNTERED

172

I hate philadelphia
ID: 4031169
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 12:58

generally if IP is less than the minimum a team would be forced to last in ERA and WHIP

173

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:10

RE: THE POSTING OF PLAYERS BID EXPIRATION TIMES. I LIKE THE CHART. MAYBE A SPECIFIC TIME FOR POSTING THE CHARTS SHOULD BE SET IN ADVANCE OF FUTURE POSTINGS SO NO ONE CAN FEEL THEIR POTENTIAL WINNING BID WAS "TIPPED OFF". SAY THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY WITH NEW THREAD, AND 2/3 SET TIMES CONVENIENT TO APPROVED POSTERS.

174

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:15

We have had one vote against MIN IP

Therefore, there is no MAX IP or MIN IP

bid accordingly..

175

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:17

I dont think it is a problem to post the charts throughout the day. I only had a problem because it seemed like someone might be going cheaper then they should. If it is just the chart that will help for everyone.

176

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:31

woah, I don't want my lone vote against minimum IP to be against the whole league, much like Max IP I was just bringing up some points, and making a stand. I'd prefer to be in the abstain category if all it takes is one vote to prevent minimums.

177

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:35

Twarpy, since the rules were not stated before the draft if only 1 manager vote against it, it will not be implemented.

178

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:35

Didn't see it needed 100% approval or wouldn't have voted it down so easily. I'll change my vote to "neutral" if its still possible, my mistake.

179

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:37

Will put you as neutral then.

IP MIN VOTE

FOR

JTSERB
PHILLY
TORAL
KYLE
Khahan
Goldcoach

Neutral
Twarpy

180

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:39

i vote for min ip

181

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:43

IP MIN VOTE

FOR

JTSERB
PHILLY
TORAL
KYLE
Khahan
Goldcoach
Wiggs

Neutral
Twarpy

182

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:44

you can put me under neutral

183

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:52

I've tried bringing this up three times but it doesn't seem to get much traction. Is there anwyay we could all nominate one more player, or randomly select 6 managers to pick a player or something and increase the player pool were bidding on? Seems that everyone is waiting for a player to expire, bid him up to where they think he should be and wait on the next player.

Thoughts???

184

I hate philadelphia
ID: 4031169
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:56

I'm on board with getting more players out there. We also need to settle this IP limit before some of us run out of money

185

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:57

I am all for adding more players to the pool. 1 each manager sounds fine to me. It just requires more upkeep for myself, wiggs and everybody else helping out.

I am fine for it as long as everyone else doesnt mind.

186

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:57

I agree with philly about serttling the ip.. there is alot of strategy with it being set.

IP MIN VOTE

FOR

JTSERB
PHILLY
TORAL
KYLE
Khahan
Goldcoach
Wiggs

Neutral
Twarpy
DPR

187

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:59

I also think it may be a good idea to add a few more players especially if we think we could be time crunched. At this point there isn't time too much strategy to naming players to the board so I am not too worried about how that s done.

YEa the innings pitched thing needs to be settled quickly as Papelbon could be a key piece to a team with few innings pitched.

188

wazaaap_guy
ID: 520591413
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 14:01

I agree on adding more players. I also agree on an IP max/min.

189

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 14:02

I would prefer not adding players to the board. I think this is the perfect number. What we do need to do is bid on players that you know you want before the 7+ hour mark. This has happened numerous times. I really dont see the strategy involved in that. Its one thing to not be there and then get back and make a bid. It is another to have bid 2 hours earlier then wait and then come back and bid on a player.

190

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 14:08

IP MIN VOTE

FOR

JTSERB
PHILLY
TORAL
KYLE
Khahan
Goldcoach
Wiggs
WG

Neutral
Twarpy
DPR

191

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 14:27

Wiggs not all of us have constant internet time, and I think thats why you sometimes get the "seventh hour" bids. I don't see it something that can be avoided, and I think there is actually a small bit of strategy by waiting to the 7th hour.

192

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 14:31

The only strat in waiting till the 7th hour is that if if makes the bid go into the next day at an early time or something IMHO.

I think what wiggs was trying to say though was that if you want to bid on a player just bid on him if you are around and dont wait till the last minute.

All in all though I dont see it as a big deal.

193

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 14:34

Was just a suggestion, I'm not keeping track of time but a lot of people seemed to think we might not finish on time, personally I'd rather extra players be put in now, and then we remove them later when more strategy is involved.

194

I hate philadelphia
ID: 4031169
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 14:50

I might 7th hour bid for a few reasons. Lets say I didn't really want a player, but I think he should go for more than his current price. I may wait to let other people bid him up, but when no one bids I jump in at the last minute.

DB you're dead for this.

195

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 14:52

Perhaps we could evaluate over the weekend of March 8/9. If we think we are running behind then we could add extra players (or reduce to the board and/or reduce times if deemed necessary. It seems like we're making fair progress at present and the end of the auction should go quicker as price jumps will be less dramatic.

196

DB
ID: 401291112
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 15:21

Phily -- I am completely indifferent about all the mins and maxs, I would however would be for putting up more players to help speed things along.

BTW- whoever got VMart got the 1st good deal of our draft!

197

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 15:22

I think philly might have meant goldcoach and how he bid on bonds

198

I hate philadelphia
ID: 4031169
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 15:33

yeah sorry I was confused on who took bonds from me last minute. Guess I had it coming for my Beltran bid.

199

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 16:17

See 7th Hours Tactics @ 194

200

I hate philadelphia
ID: 4031169
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 17:09

Thats what I figured

201

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 18:37

i am not saying anyone has constant internet access. I totally understand that. What i am saying i can count 3 times already someone was bid on gets to the 7++ hour mark and then gets bid on again. I go back and see the same manager just placed a bid on a player 2 hours before. I am sure there is some type of strategy involved, i just dont get it.

202

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 18:47

The reason is exactly what I hate Philly said, youre hoping that someone else agrees that a player is undervalued and will make the bid to make sure no one gets a steal, therefore assuming no risk on your behalf. IE I was very close to putting a bid on Vmart as I felt he was undervalued (much like DB did in 196), and I was debating it right up until the last minute.

203

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 18:57

fair enough. I never looked at it that way. What if we put up 7 more players. I think 20 players is alot for us to keep up with. I would be willing to go with 7 if the group agrees.

204

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 19:04

I think 7 players would be fine. I say let the bottom seven teams with the least players each get to nominate a player.

205

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 19:04

I would definitely agree to that, as long as one person doesn't put up all or most.

206

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 19:08

i think we should just have people nominate 1 person until we have 7. That way the most active people can get the extra guy up sooner. If we wait for bottom 7 it might be a while.

207

Toral
ID: 575542418
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 19:11

I guess 7 players would be a good compromise. I would prefer that every manager put up one. But wiggs has compromised on this issue to be willing to allow 7 so I would go with that.

I must say I don't think keeping up with 26 players at a time should be any problem. You have a minimum of 8 hours to decide how much you want to bid. How much time can it take to decide what your maximum bid is?

Well -- it might be a problem for wiggs trying to keep track. In that case we should be trying to help wiggs keep track.

Toral

208

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 19:13

Maybe once JTSerb gives the ok, we can all post one new guy until we reach 7?

209

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 19:16

i don't think bidding on 26 players is a big deal, i think tracking the bids is the problem. The charts have been a huge help, but the charts will get more time consuming if you double up the amount of players. If the chart guys dont mind more players and they are going to continue to do what they are doing 26 shouldnt be too hard.

210

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 19:18

I'd be up for some complete randomization where we quickly decide 7 managers who can nominate another player whenever. I know theres some slick randomization software on the internet or if JTSERB wants to pull names outta a hat I'd trust it too.

211

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 19:24

Here are your 7 random managers. If you named is listed below please post a new player to the board.

GoldCoach
Wiggs
Twarpy
DPR
Toral
Khahan
WG

212

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 19:37

I can handle more, and I can prolly get a chart up around 9 est.

213

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 19:38

im leaving for work at 7 cst, will post a chart b4 i leave.

214

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 20:00

Off to work, will update when I get home tonight.

215

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 20:23

i got back and will post the extra player shortly.

One things is since there will be more posts in the auction thread to sift thru the charts are probable even more important to keep people up to date. Hope it doesnt become too much of a challenge for you guys

217

Goldcoach
ID: 439131016
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 21:14

SORRY GUYS..JUST GOT IN FROM A MEETING BUT I'M CAUGHT UP NOW.

218

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 21:19

7th hour tactics: Very simple - if you do it to me and I think your intention was just to bump up the price, I will do it to you. You will never get a deal on a player as long as I have the funds to stop it.

Minimum Innings: We do need some kind of min innings, but it should be relatively low. It should be structured to allow people to use any of the wide variety of options out there for managing a pitching staff. I don't think we should use a min/max innings limit to eliminate strategies that some managers may not like.

219

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 21:50

Can someone clarify the rules for me?

You can sign guys to longer contracts? Are they the same price for all of the years? I thought the price increases by $5 only if you upgrade in the last year of the contract. Please help.

220

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 21:58

as I understand it the price you buy the guy at in an auction is his salary for a year. lets use Howard at 40. Next year u have the folloiwing options

You can realize him to the player draft to be bid on by all managers.

You can keep for 1 more year at 40 after which he is required to go back to the player pool

You can sign him to a longterm contract which makes his salary 5xnumber of years u want to sign him for each year of the LT contract.

Does that clarify it?
Also I jsut realized: so there is no way to increase a players salary by $5? because then he could just be kept at his auction price?

221

Toral
ID: 575542418
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 22:16

I think dpr has it right.

You have Ryan Howard at $40. You can just keep him for next year (2009) at $40, after which he must go back in the pool.

Or you could sign him to a two-year contract. His salary would then go up by $5 x 2 = $10 for the whole term of his contract. His salary would be $50 for each of 2009 and 2010.

Toral

222

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 22:22

doesnt it make sense a 2 year contract would be a 5 year increase each year and so on up since a 1 year contract has no increase? Seems that a big price to pay for the extra year

223

Toral
ID: 575542418
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 22:46

dpr: You mean, that if Howard is $40, a 2-year contract ought to have his salaries at $45 and $45 instead of $50 and $50? That makes more sense to me, but it may be too late to change it now. I think this rule has designed specifically by JTSERB to discourage long-term contracts.

224

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 22:51

yea thats wat i was alluding too. i wasnt sure if JTSERB realized that there was the $10 jusp there wen he first wrote it (i didnt realize it til I was trying to explain to WG) I cant see very many players being worth $10 more than what we bought them at making in unlikely to have a player more than 2 years. Which is fine it just rewards people less for finding the diamond

225

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 22:52

We could make the salaries then $45 and $50?

226

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 22:56

I posted that GC won Joba... is that ok? Or are there only certain people that are supposed to post? I'm constantly online so can help out frequently.

227

Toral
ID: 575542418
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 23:11

I believe anyone can post a winning bid and act on it. You better be right though!

230

dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 00:03

JH

that is not consistant with the rules stated online and linked in the this thread in post 20. where are you seeing otherwise?

The decision needs to be made at the end of the first year.

231

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 00:07

I see. Im gonna delete my post my post before anyone gets confused.

232

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 00:12

Yea, I tend to agree with you guys. Maybe he does want to discourage the contracts, he is forcing a decision after the 1st year

233

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 00:21

It looks more to me like he just wants to get the contracts going rather than have to wait two years before they even come into play.

The fact is guys like Ryan Howard at 40 aren't really you're best candidates for the LT because their initial contract is so high.

234

dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 00:31

I jsut used Howard because WG asked the question and it was a player on his roster. Lets use Liriano to be a more accurate longterm candidate

Current layout
2008 2009 2010 2011
Option A 16 ? ? ?
Option B 16 16 ? ?
Option C 16 26 26 ?
Option D 16 31 31 31

Way I think makes more sense and is more rewarding for finding undervalued players early

Option A 16 ? ? ?
Option B 16 16
Option C 16 21 21
Option D 16 26 26 26

I guess I don't get the $10 premium to keep a player the 3 years instead of 2

235

dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 00:32

well the columns didnt line up but i think it still makes sense

236

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 00:38

You mean giving that option year as kind of freebie huh. I do kinda like that

237

dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 00:44

Yea. At the end of one year you either realize to player pool or sign to a contract (which can be 1 year, so not really a option year) The formula for the contract is given by

salary = Current + (Years-1)*5.

So a one year contract adds nothing. 2 years adds 5 and so on. makes it more linear instead of the big jump to go from 2 to 3 years

238

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 01:33

Good call dpr, i deleted that post, you can delete yours too now if you want.

Five out of six ain't bad, right?

239

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 09:02

My Understanding was (Using Lirano)
first two years 16,16
at end of year two I can extend up to (2 yrs)
No extension = Yr 3 @16 At end of year i must drop him
1 yr extension = Yr 3&4 @ 21 at end of year 4 I must drop him
2 yr extension = Yr 3,4 & 5 @ 26
I cannot keep him more than five years.

240

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 10:30

I made my own spreadsheet to see everything in one place... figured I'd post it here in case you guys wanted to check it out also.

PFAL AUCTION

241

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 10:38

WG can you email me that chart so I can keep a copy. It wouldnt let me open it at work.

Thanks

242

dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 10:57

239

Im pretty sure that is wrong. You have to decide at the end of the first year. Also if when you are amking your decision if you want to keep him for 2 more years then its 2x5=10 extra dollars per year. regardless this should be clarified as people clearly are confused

243

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 16:01

Ok all confusion should be cleared up. I posted an up to date chart.

OK I work from WED-SUNDAY night usually dont get home till around 7 AM CST. I will be able to update and post a chart then every morning before I go to bed.

Now I usually get up at anywhere from 2 pm - 4 pm CST.

I can teach somebody how to post the charts it is very simple and all you need is MS EXCEL. I can send you my sheet.

Who is available during the day to keep tabs and is willing to learn how to post the charts?

244

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 16:17

CONTRACT CLARIFICATION

For this example I am going to use Babe Ruth who's contract is $25 dollars

After the season you have 3 options for your player

1. Release player to FA pool with no penalty.

2. Resign Babe Ruth for 1 more year at $25 dollars, but after next season he must be released to the FA DRAFT.

3. Resign Babe Ruth to a long term contract. This is no restriction on the years of the contract as long as you can stay under the cap. Each of the contract raises it by $5.

If I sign Babe Ruth to a 5 year extension his contract will be the following.

Year 1 $30
Year 2 $35
Year 3 $40
Year 4 $45
Year 5 $50

So basically for each year you resign him his contract goes up $5.

I know the $5 penalty seems a bit steep for player that already have a big contract, but this is put in here for players that were drafted from your minor league system and have such a low value.

For example say we were playing last year and I called up Ryan Braun from my minor league roster. His contract would be $5 dollars. After that season I could have signed him to a 10 year deal for 5 dollars each year.

Its there so the young guys get their "payday" :)

245

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 16:19

We are going to have a big issue at the end of this draft. Lets say 5 teams are left all with a max bid of $1 and everyone elses rosters are filled. Whoever wins the first player will just get to keep winning anyone they throw out.

246

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 16:22

Philly, what is comes down to is eventually someone will run out of players needed to buy and then the team that needs the most players will get to add someone, so it will all even out. We have never had a problem with this before I think we will be ok.

247

I hate philadelphia
ID: 4031169
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 16:41

yeah but if every one has $1 max bid it would suck that they get first dibs on player after player at the end.

248

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 16:46

I was wondering about that too, Philly. Thanks for the clarification Wiggs. Thanks for the Explanation on the "Contracts" JT

If I have Ruth at 45 after year 1 I have three options.
1.Drop Him
2. Keep him for one more year (the second) at 45 at the end of that year I MUST drop him.
3. offer a long term contract (any amt of yrs) at 5 per year.

If I choose option 3 and chose to extend him for 8 (eight) years his salary years (2 thru 9) is now $85 ($45 + (8x5))

If I trade him in year 4 the new owner is then responsible for his salary for the remaing years of his contract.

If I drop him in year four (of the extension) my salary cap is reduced $5 ($1 for each remaining yr on the contract(4)) + $1 for the partial year he did not complete. Hence next spring I only have $155, total (salaries + cash) to play with.
What happens after the following year? Does my playing fund return to:
A. $260
B. $255 (no relief until extension expires)
or C. $257 (260- (1x3 years remaining on extension)?

249

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 16:59

If I choose option 3 and chose to extend him for 8 (eight) years his salary years (2 thru 9) is now $85 ($45 + (8x5))

If RUTH salary is $45 and your resign him for 8 years

his contract structure would be the following

Year 2 50
Year 3 55
Year 4 60
Year 5 65
Year 6 70
Year 7 75
Year 8 80
Year 9 85

If I trade him in year 4 the new owner is then responsible for his salary for the remaing years of his contract.

Yes, for all trades the contract goes to the new team.

If I drop him in year four (of the extension) my salary cap is reduced $5 ($1 for each remaining yr on the contract(4)) + $1 for the partial year he did not complete. Hence next spring I only have $155, total (salaries + cash) to play with.
What happens after the following year? Does my playing fund return to:

Your cap would return to $260. You only get penalized the following year

250

wazaaap_guy
ID: 520591413
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 17:04

So am I right in assuming we will not have to make any decisions until the regular season is over?

251

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 17:07

Thanks JT, as you can tell I'm a rookie at this, but I'm enjoying it.

252

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 17:17

WG, yes no decisions until after the regular season.

Goldcoach, your doing just fine ask as many questions as you like. the clearer the better.

253

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 17:53

I have looked over the 1000 IP rule and I agree with Khahan that we need one, but 1000 might be a bit to high. At this stage of the auction I think it is unfair to eliminate any possible strategy someone might be using.

Here is what i had for 1000 IP vote. Can everyone chime in? I want this hammered out today.

1000 IP MIN VOTE

FOR
PHILLY
TORAL
KYLE
Khahan
Goldcoach
Wiggs
WG

Neutral
Twarpy
DPR
DB

For But Lower
JTSERB
Khahan

Still need to hear from Wiggs

254

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 17:57

err still need to hear from Ksoze not wiggs

255

I hate philadelphia
ID: 4031169
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 18:00

Obviously with the lack of dollars I have remaining it would behoove me to have no limit, but I still think with 9 pitching slots 1000 IP is reasonable. Can we at least look to ammend this higher next year if a lower limit turns out to be too low.

I am in an NL only league every year with weekly moves and only twice has a team not made the 1000IP limit, and both teams tried to go with only 1 starter and only missed by a few innings.

256

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 18:53

I don't know if it's my cheatsheets or if it's the league, but it seems to me that OFs are going for a premium price. A lot higher than what I am expecting at least.

I feel I was able to get a decent deal on Ichiro and Hunter, but dang...

257

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 19:03

My values seem a lil low also kyle... The best bargain I have seen so fair is Pena for 21

258

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 20:24

Wiggs or JTSerb do you guys have a spreadsheet of who was won so far? If you do can you e-mail it to me? My current bids sheet is good and up-to-date, but I lost track of who won who yesturday and havn't been able to catch up. Thanks!

259

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 20:26

i dont have a spread sheet, but I have listed everyone sold on the other thread.

260

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 20:32

Kyle check post 240, WG has a handy spreadsheet which is fairly upto date.

261

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 20:39

WG if you don't mind e-mailing a copy of that to me that'd be great, it's exactly how I have my sheet setup, but the copy-paste function isn't copying it into the spreadsheet pretty.

262

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 20:44

Kyle do you want to do an update sometime of when the current players would expire?

263

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 20:45

Sure thing. Give me 2 minutes to prepare it

264

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 20:53

Thanks!

265

JackHammers@work
ID: 44122616
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 21:17

Really sorry about that late bid guys. First look I've had today, Guess somebody ows me one

266

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 22:03

JH it's no problem, Wiggs deserves one too for his bid with 20 some minutes left on Vlad...

:)

267

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 22:07

it was 40 minutes.

268

JTSERB @ FRIENDS
ID: 351442611
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 22:11

off to work will update in the morning.. thanks everyone that has been helping

269

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 22:48

Sorry, been at work... I'll vote "for."

270

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 00:24

Kyle, do you still need it? What's your email address?

271

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 08:02

Just got home from work, will get an update in before I head to bed.

272

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 08:39

I think my thread is up to date with who has been sold and money remaining. Any questions/concerns please let me know so we can fix it.

Also people who have spent alot of money, be aware that you dont over bid your dollars, there is a penalty for that.

273

Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 08:44

So there seems to be consensus on minimum IP, if lower than 1000. Rather than revote on a bunch of different numbers, I would suggest JTSERB pick one, at least 700, less than 1000.

274

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 09:02

Nice steal there Wiggs with Matsui for $11, great buy imho

275

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 09:06

Alright well haven't got much chatter on the IP so here is the rule.

MAX IP: NONE

MIN IP: 850

Please be aware and bit accordingly.

276

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 09:12

Thanks JTserb. A good commish knows when to take off the skirt, be a man and just simply make a decision. ;)

277

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 09:14

I like Matsui there. Not sure how high I go on him, but he he is consistently Around

300 BA
100+ RBI
25 + HR
100 runs

I can live with those numbers

278

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 09:15

Btw, how did I get Matt Capps for only $15? Every source I've looked at has capps in $20+ range. Did people miss him or are they just really down on him?

279

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 09:22

thanks Khahan, errr i think :)

280

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 09:22

I did think Capps went a lil low, but i seen quite a few rp go a lil lower than i thought they were

281

Kyle@work
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 10:07

I didn't even see Matsui on the board, very nice steal there Wiggs. That's a great value pick.

282

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 10:19

off to bed, be back in the afternoon for an update.

If anyone is around try to keep tabs if you can.

thanks

jt

283

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 10:49

Khanan I think everyone was spooked on Capps when Papplebon only went for $21.

As for the IP I'm fine with 850 for this year, but I think we should revisit it next year after we have a season's worth of data.

284

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 14:46

Hated to see Beckett go. His price (22) was OK but I just wanted him, Those top dogs are disappearing. By the time I looked at it this morning I think there was an hour and a half left. I was tempted but I just couldn't do another late bid, especially on the same guy. I'd spend the rest of the draft with a bullseye on my back!

Other good buys I had trouble staying off of
The closers
Ellsbury 13
Never even saw Matsui at 11

285

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 15:15

By the way are still doing a 12 hour weekend clock? I think we've made some nice progress, About 75 players gone in 4 days since no players were even awarded until late Monday afternoon. I think the extra players and the lengthened parameters of the clock were a big help. Things should also be getting faster as long as we keep naming players quickly after an award.

I was thinking, at the end, when the last group of managers are just naming players at $1 and no bids can be made, we could go into rotation starting with the team who needs the most players and keep that rotation until all rosters are full. Maybe a short time limit if we are close. (Miss your pick, pick when you get back.) And keep that rotation until all rosters are full. This is again only when the auction reaches a point where the only bids that can be made are $1.
Just a thought in response to the earlier posts.

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dpr
ID: 1733917
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 15:20

weve done almost a quarter of the draft in 4 days so we have plenty of time to finish it seems. At this rate we should finish up by mid march at least a week before the season starts.

Not really sure what the procol is for naming players at the end but probably something we should get all the rules set for. Does one person get to go through all there $1 players which cant be beat or does it rotate.

287

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 15:25

Wow DPR I guess we were on the same page there (285,286).

In live auctions where everyone is sitting around boozing at a draft table all the players are brought up in a rotation and bid on till there gone Thats that how it ends up working out there.

288

dpr
ID: 1733917
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 15:29

ok yea iw as just wondering because if we do the same rules as they are now then whoever goes first would just keep going because they would win the player by default and then get to choose another (which they win). So be good to know which one because hate to be stuck waiting while some guy gets t pick the 5 guys he wants while i wait

289

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 15:40

I guess I should clafify that in Live Drafts ALL players 1st to last are brought up in a rotation. Thats why it end up working out that way at the end

290

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 15:49

DPR see post 245 where I bring up the same issue. If we keep the draft where winner throws out I think its going to unfairly sway it

291

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 17:07

Again I think this is an issue that is a little late to have brought up.

Yes, I just won a rash of players, but I skipped out on bidding on many of the early players really heavy because I wanted less competition at the end. that was my strategy and from looking over the biddig habits I do believe that was the strategy of at least 2-3 other managers. To me, that is simply smart.

Yes, we may get a solid 2nd tier OF for $5 that should be valued at $20. But the trade off is that we don't get the superstars like A-rod, Fielder, Utley etc.

I have no problem against a rule like this for next year But I think we're too late for this year.

292

Twarpy
ID: 111511813
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 17:21

Agree with Khahan here, part of my strategy has been to have leftover money in order to bid up $1 choices of others as well as being able to pickup my own players, and possibly have to spend $3 on a $1 player I really want. I understand the concern, but would side with Khahan, unless theres an overwhelming decision against it.

293

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 17:55

i think we need to leave it the way it is now. If you dont want that to happen dont spend all your money.

294

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 18:07

Any chance for a chart soon? I know a lot of guys are expiring soon and not promoting upping bids, as I am one of them, but would like to see whats out there and when the bids expire tonight.

Also whats the clock on the weekend going to be like? Id be very much in support of a 12 hour clock with the progress that we have made.

295

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 18:36

I will get a chart out soon, I just got home so give me a few minutes to put it together

296

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 19:10

No worries I think we cleared the guys that need to go, but more are coming up in the next hour.

297

Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 19:42

We're making good progress so i think a 12-hour clock over the weekend would be a good idea.

298

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 19:46

Can someone confirm in this thread that the chart is 100% accurate (to the post that it's listed to) Thanks!

299

dpr
ID: 1733917
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 19:56

how does a 12 hr clock work for players that carry over thru the night. if a bid has been on the clock for 4 hrs friday does he go for 4 hrs saturday til he is off or for 8 hrs?

300

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 19:59

Guys I think your misunderstanding a little bit.

Of course a part of some strategies is to have money' you can already have an idea of who will be there. But once you get to the point where each manager that is left only is able to bid $1 (for example 4 managers left with open slots, each mgr has the same amt of open positions as dollars left, there cant be any more bidding because no one is able to bid more than 1 dollar) As soon as one guy brings up a player at 1, he wins him because no one can bid higher, so he wins that player. He keeps getting to bring up a the new player at $1 and win him until he's full) You'll see how it plays out later and maybe you'll change your mind at that time

301

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 20:01

Im around, will get caught up and post my owed player

302

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 20:06

It is also possible that we will never get to that point as maybe the last few managers without full rosters will have enough money left to keep bidding players up. But if you roster slots left how can you keep bidding? Where do you put him if you win?

303

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 20:15

What happens is when you win your last player you no longer can name a player to the board. The manager with the least amount of players won then names a player to the board. The situation that Jackhammers is talking about in post 300 probably will not happen. If 4 managers with 1, 2, 3, and 4 spots left all with 1, 2, 3 and 4 dollars remaining respectively happens then this will have been a pretty crazy draft. If that does happen then the player with 4 spots gets to name a player and so on and so forth. Anyways these are $1 players, you aren't going to see many $15 value players around at that point.

304

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 21:42

Clock will be 12 hours on weekend... new chart is up and reflects weekend time

305

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 21:50

Off to work, be back in the morning

306

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 10:24

Goldcoach, received your check today. thanks

to everyone else that has not paid their dues. here is the info

Snail Mail

Joe Thomas
8917 Blaine Pl.
Crown Point IN, 46307

Paypal
jtserb@gmail.com

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ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 10:44

JTSERB, just sent payment through paypal.

308

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 10:50

Ksoze payment confirmed! thanks

309

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 12:44

I will be away most of the day today. I will catch up on stuff when i get home if no one else does. Looks like we have a few going off the board in the next few hours

310

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 12:46

I'll be around to take people off the board.

311

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 19:58

DB, Bill Hall is only listed at OF in yahoo right now, so I put him on your bench in my spreadsheet. I'm not sure what IF position he's supposed to play... any idea?

312

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 20:09

He's supposed to play 3b but wont have that eligibility right away

313

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 20:12

Yea but I figure since it only takes like 5 games to gain that eligibility, DB might be drafting him pretty much thinking he is a 3b for purposes of filling out the rest of his roster.

314

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 22:42

I think i am all caught up on players sold. Please let me know if I missed anyone. thanks

315

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 23:03

No one else will come off the board til tomorrow morning so the players sold thread is done for tonight.

316

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 02:51

Picture and article on the front page of Yahoo FS shows Carl Crawford with a big "OVERATED" accross the top. If they would have written that last weekend maybe I wouldn't have had to pay OTA for him...

317

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 10:59

DB has a bid in on Andruw Jones of $5. Jones is only OF eligible and he's filled up at OF and utility. Can he place that bid?

318

I hate philadelphia
ID: 430482218
Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 11:01

yeah. you are allowed to fill your bench

319

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 11:40

Post 41 from this link

2.5. No team may bid for a player who qualifies only at a position that the team has already filled and that team has already fulfilled its utility position.

Not trying to be a jerk about this. I doubt anybody is banking on having Jones be a star player for them. But he shouldn't be able to fill out his bench until his other positions are all filled, no?

320

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 11:55

khahan I looked for the post where he said he was scraping that rule but if you look at the final rules we were emailed or which were posted in this thread you will see that there is no mention o that rulw

321

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 11:56

ok, missed that part. Thanks for the clarification.

322

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 11:59

btw just a heads up to people to be careful with your bids from now on not to go over. I know JTSERB used all that he was able when he bid on Harang a few hours ago. Im assuming he knows this but something people need to keep an eye on

323

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 19:51

starting next week Im gunna be travelling for a week so my interenet access is gunna be spotty. Im gunna make a point to check in every 8hrs at the least but ill could be making a lot of 6+ hour bids and may take a while to post new players if it is timed wrong. just a heads up

324

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 22:37

I updated the players sold and remaining money. Please double check for me that i am accurate.

325

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 22:38

Alright lets continue chatter in here, Wiggs double checked your money numbers and they're accurate, as soon as we get a nice new chart JT, I'd throw it up and make a new thread so its not so cluttered.

326

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 08:37

I posted all the winners from last night and this morning on the players sold thread. Please double check I have them all.

327

wazaaap_guy
ID: 520591413
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 08:39

Looks good... Derek Barton should read Daric Barton though.

328

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 08:42

Ok, cool, Thanks. I am not going to change that now though. I think everyone can figure out who it is.

329

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 09:34

yeah and its Andruw Jones. Lets nitpick

330

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 10:52

Toral, I apologize for my late bid, I didnt see you took him back from me.

331

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 11:07

***Moment of Full Disclosure***
So a few days ago when I noticed prices on my cheatsheet were way off of what players were going for (my sheets were FAR under what the players were going for) I decided to quickly try and find a new site to use to help me out. Today I compiled what price my players went for vs. what the 2 sheets said they should go for. According to my second sheet some of my earlier buys were a bit high, but not as bad as I originally thought. That said, according to my first sheet I should have $220 spent instead of $238. But then again I got some major "steals" according to the first.
Would be interested how you guys are seeing this draft so far.

And some stats for you all:
Players Bought
142 players have been bought for $2694
Avg $18.97/player

Players remaining
There are 183 remaining roster spots and $686 remaining
Avg $3.75/player

Just for fun there was originally $3380 and 325 roster spots for an average of $10.40

332

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 11:27

Kyle, I wanna talk about it in the worst way, But I'm not ready for "full disclosure" yet!

When I get down to $22 with you. how bout then? ;), What I will say is that I'm absolutely amazed at how closely the players have gone for their market value. almost to the dollar in many cases. The guys here have definitely done their homework, developed a terrific understanding of things in a short time. I should have figured as much, There are exceptions in some of the values and groups of values of course, but there absolutely should be, The "experts" who write the resources are looking at alot of same numbers, news and trends that we are. I don't think the end of the draft is going to be the carnage you would expect of a first year draft. definitely will be some. but maybe just a few hamburgers

333

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 11:32

Only bid I am not happy with is Jason Bay. He was my first player and I didnt realize my cheatsheet was on a 350 cap not 260. Other then that I am happy.

334

wazaaap_guy
ID: 16257411
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 17:04

Anyone interested in trading for Garret Atkins, 1b/3b? I'd be looking for a MI in return probably.

335

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 17:27

Obviously I went stars and scrubs. Can't tell you if it worked until I see what scrubs you all stick me with.

336

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 23:44

I ran the players sold. PLease double check my results

337

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 00:28

Wiggs, you have me down as Posada for $15 but I won him for $10.

Also, something must be off in JTserb's sheet. He has 15 slots left but only $14.

338

dpr
ID: 37246316
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 00:32

Khahan,

I could only find WG chart but there he places $1 in all the slots where you dont have a player leaving JT with 14. In this case he is fine.

339

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 00:48

dpr, you are right, its not Wigg's chart. Wiggs has me set properly in the thread. WG, you have me at $15 for posada but I won him for $10.

and I see how jt is off now. Thanks

340

wazaaap_guy
ID: 520591413
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 01:15

sorry about that... fixed and updated now.

341

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 13:56

HEADS UP

THE DRAFT IS WINDING DOWN. BE SURE NOT TO OVER BID YOU REMAINING MONEY. REMEMBER THERE IS A PENALTY INVOLVED IF YOU DO.

ALSO BE AWARE HOW MANY ROSTER SPOT YOU HAVE EMPTY SO YOU DONT PUT UP A NEW PLAYER IF YOU DONT HAVE ROOM TO WIN HIM.

342

Toral
ID: 575542418
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 14:01

What is the penalty again?

343

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 14:18

You have to sit and listen to Blue Hen talk about how great all his teams are and you have to take his advice on pitchers next year(thats not completely fair because he's not even in this league to defend himself, but I ran out of ways to bust his balls in the dirty dozen).

I think its worth mentioning just so it spelled it: If you have $30 and 3 slots left to fill, your max bid is $28. You must leave at least $1 for other slot. Do your math.

344

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 14:30

Penalty is a $5 cap hit

I just went through my sold thread and was missing Ken Griffey. Everyone please check and make sure all your players are listed somewhere on the sold thread so we have accurate numbers. Thanks

345

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 14:34

Wiggs, ill try to get all players sold together and build a chart

346

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 14:50

I posted a chart in the players sold thread. Everyone please check it and make sure that your roster is correct. This is what im using to enter the player in yahoo

347

Kyle@work
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 15:19

JT the chart looks good for my team.

Also: I will be traveling on Friday afternoon and won't be able to check in until late Saturday. I probably won't have anyone on the board (you know with my ability to max out a player at $7) but in case I do win someone in that time frame just giving you a heads up. Also I'll have spot access from Saturday Night to Tuesday morning then then be traveling back home Tuesday morning-Wednesday morning. But after that I am all in!

348

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 16:18

JT The Chart as of Mar 05 at 4:00 pm is good for my team.

349

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 16:22

my team is good as well

350

wazaaap_guy
ID: 16257411
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 16:26

my chart should be up to date as well... lemme know if theres something wrong.

351

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 16:27

Mine's fine.

352

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 17:32

Checked every team with the spreadsheet I have and it looks good.

353

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 09:13

hey guys, sorry. Extremely busy day yesterday at the office and not home last night until after midnight. Got a busy morning, but i'll be catching myself up and posting my players by lunchtime.

354

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 09:26

Can someone with a chart confirm money remaining and players left to buy for

Toral
DB
Twarpy

I am off by 1 dollars on all 3

355

Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 09:56

There was this dollar special the other night....

356

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 12:56

Ok boys, I am off. If my winning bid stands and you want to name someone in my place that's fine with me. I'll be back around noonish CST tomorrow. I'm driving straight to Florida from the Chicagoland area. 24 hour drive 3 people to do it. Should be fun. Hope the draft goes well while I am gone!

357

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 23:56

Penalty imposed against DB for overbidding his $260 cap

Starting next season DB's cap will be decreased to $255. After next season his cap will increase back to $260. This is a only a 1 year penalty. DB's FAAB allowance of $100 has also been decreased to $95. This is also a 1 year penalty.

358

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 18:20

Is there a problem with the way we are naming players? If you dont like im open to a better solution

359

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 18:26

Just go with less than 20 players I would suggest. We are going to finish in plenty of time. If people win players and no longer have room on their team that is jsut one less player on the board. We will stillg et don with plenty of time. At this point being able to name players is huge because the difference between $1 and $2 is huge. Someone like Ihatephilly shouldnt be bailed out just becuase he still needs alot of players and didnt leave money to bid on people anymore

360

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 18:32

Thanks for calling me out DPR I was completely for what you are suggesting and I didn't get to name anyone unfairly yet

361

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 18:37

yea sorry about that i just knew you had no extra dollars left wasn't even sure how many holes.

That said your probably one of the people this ruling hurts the most. The rest of us should be able to bid to get to name a player you are just going to have to wait til the end. People Like JTserb, Kyle and WG should have to bid 2-3 dollars to get lead to name players who if they get trumped on means they need to bid 2-3 again to get a player. pretty much they would be in the same postion as you or worse in a few days but now they get to be in better shape because they get to name these one dollar players plus save their extra dollars

362

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 18:48

and btw I do think i should be able to name another player still. if I had won my players at seperate times then i would be able to name 3 but since I won them all at once I couldnt.

As a reminder I won 3 players yesterday but only had 2 slots so i named only 2. I still have 2 empty slots shouldnt i still get the 3rd player to name?

363

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 18:57

Yeah but just because the rule hurts me doesn't mean its not a good rule

364

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 22:16

The thing is not many people are down to their last dollar, so that means if someone that needs player puts up player A and you want that player, then bid 2 on that player. I think this is becoming more of a project then it needs to be.

365

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 22:28

I guess its that people like Kyle and JT would have a very hard time winning players at this stage (and if they do pay to win players then they are just going to run into the same problem later) Just letting them name players gives them the chance to win players no instead of having to wait till after people who managed there money differently. Right now may not be the biggest effect but once we get down where there are multiple people with no extra dollars it can be a huge advantage

366

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 22:55

5 people still have not signed up for yahoo. Please sign up so I can add the players to your team

League ID: 139254

Pass: rotoguru

367

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 23:02

I just joined. Must have missed the first time you sent out the info. wen was that?

368

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 23:06

couple weeks ago sent it by email

also who is "Fort Erie Garrison" I dont know who you are :)

369

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 23:12

hmmm ok. I only remember getting one email and I didnt see it included in that one

370

Toral
ID: 575542418
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 23:13

Fort Erie Garrison is me. I may think of a better name.

371

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 23:16

Also, only received payment from a couple of people so far. Id like to get all moneys collected before the season starts. Fee is $40.00

You can pay either paypal or snail mail.

My paypal is: jtserb@gmail.com

Snail Mail

Joe Thomas
8917 Blaine Pl.
Crown Point, IN, 46307

372

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 23:41

btw how is the minor league draft going to be handled?

373

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 09:38

I think i caught everything up for the weekend. Please double check my numbers in the players sold and $ remaining thread

Thanks
wiggs

374

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 11:31

I believe philly won Olly Perez for $2

375

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 11:54

I second DPR. I think we need to settle how the minor league draft is handled.

Random Snail Draft?

376

Toral
ID: 575542418
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 14:39

It's in the rules:
"10.1. Following the major league auction, a four-round minor league draft will take place. In the first year of the league, the order of selection in the first round will be random and will use snake style draft."

377

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 17:28

Hey everyone, Im thinking of expanding the Minor League Draft to 8 or 10 players. i think this will add more depth to our team and you can kind of "build your team through the draft". What does everyone think? Time constraints are not a concern the minor league draft can run through the season if needed be.

378

wazaaap_guy
ID: 520591413
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 18:32

I like the idea.

379

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 21:13

3rd

380

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 21:33

I don't like the idea. I think a lot rosters are already spread very thin. Maintaining an 8 or 10 player minor league roster for this many teams will only dilute future auctions. Auctions in later seasons will have so few worthwhile players available after the first or second set of nominations.

381

dpr
ID: 1733917
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 22:11

Yea im kinda against it too. Like once we get into the 100s for prospects arent we really just guessing? do people really know that much? I dont.
Also it would subsequent auctions less interesting

382

Goldcoach
ID: 439131016
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 22:14

Khahan makes a good point. If we expand the minor league rosters too much it will dilute future auctions. If we want to expand to say 5 players (minor leaguers) that takes 80 prospects out of next years auction (unless they are called up and subsequently dropped to free agency) I m not strongly opposed to adding one minor league spot, but I don't think we need to go much higher. Keep in mind that next year we may be bidding 2 or 3 dollars for a prospect instead of bringing him up from the minors at a cost of $10. This could affect how much of a long term contract we might consider offering a player so we should consider this carefully.

383

Toral
ID: 575542418
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 22:23

The idea is OK by me but I wouldn't want to force people to have prospect lists 100+ names long if they don't want to.

I don't see a long prospect list as a problem for the depth of next year's auction as most of the players in the 6 rounds to be added wouldn't be biddable next year anyway.

Perhaps compromise by going to 6 rounds (an even #, so snaking works properly).

Toral

384

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 00:03

I tend to think that after the first 2 seasons Free Agency will be very good.

Remember that after this season if you choose to keep your players for 1 season at the same contract rate he must be released to FA the following year.

I know there is an option to sign every player to a long term deal, but with the $5 escalator on each year, I think this would be fiscally impossible.

385

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 00:35

I would prefer not to expand minor league rosters. Not only do I think it would affect future auctions but I think it would seriously affect finding any talent at a dollar or two.

Before next year's draft I would also like to revisit the rules on long term contracts. I originally suggested making a decision on signing a long term contract after the players 2nd year on your team, not the first. I think that change will dissapoint some people when they see that signing an LT contract is not gonna be quite the bargain and length that it was intended to be by the original rules

386

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 01:24

1. JT I'll paypal the $$ to you when I get home. Sorry for delaying that.

2. I'd say no to the minor expansion. Maybe yes to 6, but I agree with the sentiment that we don't want to make the bidding pool too light next year and for upcoming years.

3. I am glad to be "back" and I have missed this "interaction". Sad I know but baseball season is my favorite for drafting. (Football is still my favorite overall) That said I don't like the idea of full roster managers naming players to the board. That gives them an advantage to not name the best players to the board and save them for potential free agents. I think the way the football league wiggs and I were in this year worked best. The team with the least amount of players won names a player to the board for the manager who has a full roster. But if everyone else likes the way it's going then I won't make to big a fuss about it.

Also sidenote: JT, when you make your spreadsheets choose the "selection" and not "entire spreadsheet" when you save as a webpage. Then you can only select the boxes you use and it won't mess up the formatting to the thread. Right now they way you are doing it is causing the thread to be stretched WAY larger than what my screen can contain and also causing blocks of paragraphs to go on one line forever.

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JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 01:40

No problem on the payment Kyle.. quite a few havent paid ya know who you are :)

Ill take care of that formatting in the future, thanks for the tip.

388

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 09:13

Going back to the mini-debate started in 3-10 bidding thread at post 32

I wasn't 'waiting' to nominate a player. I had 2 slots left open and there were 2 players on the the board I was legitimately interested in. I managed my money and my roster space to try and take advantage of a few bargains here at the end. If I'm reading what Twarpy and JTserb are saying correctly at this stage anybody who wins a player and has 1 slot left is 'stuck' only able to nominate a guy. If a guy is on the board who they are truly interested in they would have to put out a name that they hope somebody else will bid on and then hope somebody bids on that guy before the player they truly want is sold.

Why shouldn't a manager be allowed to bid on whoever he wants at this stage? I understand there is a need to keep new names on the board, so perhaps we need a device to allow that?

Going back to last night I had 2 spots open. I placed 1 bid on an existing player (which should be my right since have open slots) and placed 1 new player. My bids and my roster and my cash are all legal. I'm not trying to create an unfair advantage by taking time to see what others are doing. I'm acting on what is on the board.

So is my bid on Delcarmen really legal or not? JTserb said it is but then seemed to say later that it would not be due to the bid being placed when I should have been nominating a player.

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dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 09:19

I agree with khahan. Imagine having one player slot after just winning a player. A player had been announced 5 minutes prior to you winning your second to last player giving you no time to check in to see that player. You can no longer bid on that player? doesnt seem fair

390

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 14:19

Ok I was going through my sheets and this is what I have. can I get confirmation please

Full rosters

DB
GC
JH
Khahan
Ksoze
Twarpy (I am not seeing a 3B on his team, am I missing someone?)

Needing players and dollars left

DPR- Needs 2 players 8 dollars remaining
Ihate Philly- Needs 5 players 5 dollars remaining
JT- Needs 8 players 8 dollars remaining
Kyle-Needs 8 players 10 dollars remaining
Toral- Needs 2 players with 8 dollars remaining
WG - Needs 9 players 15 dollars remaining
Wiggs- Needs 2 players 5 dollars remaining

Does this look ok to everyone else?

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dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 15:03

I am seeing Toral with 9 for 2 players and WG with 14 for 2 players. This is prior to the players just one at 1500.

Also headley is 3b eligible for twarpy

392

Toral
ID: 575542418
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 15:24

I have myself (after acquiring Howry for $2) at $8/1 player. Re discrepancy -- wiggs check prices for Youkilis & Gordon ($13 and $12). There was some confusion about one of them, forget which one.

393

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 15:30

I ahve you 7/1 now which matches with WGs spreadsheet and what JTSERB posted yesterday with you recent additions. Where to you differ from this? You can see WG spreadsheet at 240 in this thread

394

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 16:06

I dont have my spreadsheet at home right now, but I do know that WG needs more then 2 players, that is for sure

395

Toral
ID: 575542418
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 17:57

Sorry -- I have myself at $7/1. wiggs would have me at $6/1 after Howry ($2).

396

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 01:04

JTSERB i sent the money to you via paypal last night. If you could confirm you got it that would be great. Thank you

397

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 21:41

DPR received the payment. Thanks!

398

DB
ID: 401291112
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 13:26

How close is the draft to being complete and when will the minor league draft begin?

Also JT, I will send you my paypal payment tonight.

399

dpr
ID: 1733917
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 13:28

JT and Ihatephilly each have about 5 slots left to fill and no extra dollars. At this point it is just waiting for them both to be around at the same time. Hoprefully they can finish tonight or tomorrow

400

i hate philadelphia
ID: 152151616
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 14:11

yeah I should be around most of the day today, so whenever JT is on I'm ready to go

401

i hate philadelphia
ID: 152151616
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 17:20

JT I'm heading home from work. Should be back online in a half hour.

402

JTSERB @ FRIENDS
ID: 4226321
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 18:34

Ill be online tonight philly around 8 pm central

403

i hate philadelphia
ID: 152151616
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 18:55

ok sounds good.

404

DB
ID: 72251713
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 19:49

JT, I just sent you a paypal can you confirm you got it.

Thanks
Daniel

405

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 20:43

DB, payment confirmed... thanks!

406

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 20:44

Im around philly ya here? lets get this done

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