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0 Subject: PFAL Discussion

Posted by: JTSERB
- [481020120] Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 21:53

New Thread other one was rather long
1JTSERB
      ID: 481020120
      Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 22:52
Ok, I have entered all the rosters into yahoo and set the season to begin. Everyone make sure that your roster is correct.

The following players are not available yet and are owned by the following managers

Colon Khahan
Cueto JT
Price WG
Kershaw WG
3dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 22:59
well by the time those players will be playing in the majors they will be in the database right? until then they just have to leave an empty spot
4Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 23:03
Maybe they should have to select placeholders for them (i.e. -- pitchers who are seriously injured or out for the season?) and put them in Yahoo!? Just to temind them that they own a player not currently in Yahoo!?

Toral
5JTSERB
      ID: 481020120
      Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 23:03
My post further explained.....

The Auction Draft was for your 25 player MLB roster. In which every player was eligible. It was up to the manager if he decided he wanted to bid on a prospect and have him on his major league roster and he never gets called up during his season that was his decision. That player cannot be sent down to the minor leagues. If the manager wants to keep him next season he would need to resign him to a contract.

The Minor League Draft the only players eligible are players that are rookie eligible (I don't think that I can be any more clear). So basically , If you wanted to draft Cliff Lee you cannot.
6JTSERB
      ID: 481020120
      Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 23:06
I will be updating the webpage within the next few days.

The Following Updates Will Be:

Everyones MLB Roster which will include contract price.

Everyones Minor League Roster (once completed)

Player that are not in yahoo, but are owned by a manager will be on another page so they don't get lost.

I am sure I will add more just not sure what yet.

7dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 23:07
wats the webpage again?
8JTSERB
      ID: 481020120
      Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 23:09
As of right now, but will be merging everything to one site (something free not sure which yet)

Rosters http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p0lRPvy5cS0CSXK3yrHJmGw&hl=en&pli=1

Rules
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=ddjdjrnz_0hbnt97fh&hl=en
9dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 23:21
We amended the rules regarding waivors right?

Also I clarification on 11.6. So if a player is called up before Sept 1 but would retain his rookie status he can no longer be kept on the minor league roster? i believe Clay Bucholz did this last year. (as did chamberlain, kennedy, etc) in this case of Bucholz since he countn't be on my minor league roster anymore would I have to bring him up last year when he made a start in August or could I wait til this spring to add him to my major league roster?

Also if a player is not called up until after september 1 but passes the rookie eligibility requirements he can still be kept?

Sorry to be asking these questions now.
10JTSERB
      ID: 481020120
      Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 23:27
No problem DPR ask all the questions ya like.

Ya that rule sheet still needs to be updated.

Once you draft a minor league player he can stay on there forever, but once you call him up he cannot be sent back down.
11dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 23:50
can you explain rule 11.6 then. Its says you once a player is called up to the majors he is bound by contract. What is this contract then.

Also could I hypothetically hold Jacob McGee on my minor league team even after he has pitched 200+ innings for the 5th year in a row?
12JTSERB
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 00:17
Yes you can keep Mcgee on your minor league roster for the next 20 years if you wanted to.

When you call up a Minor League player there is a $5 fee. That comes out of your allocated FAAB balance which is $100 at the start of the season.

When you call up a Minor Leaguer to your active roster his salary is $5. Then you have to make a decision. You cannot send him back down the minors. You can resign him for one year at $5 in which after the next season he must be released. Or resign him to a long term contract using the same system as other active players.

Calling up a minor leaguer is the only way you are allowed to go over your $260 cap.

For example: Say you drop a player that has a contract that is $1 and you bring up your minor leaguer. Well assuming your roster value was at $260 it would now be $264. Before the next season though you must stay under the $260 cap.

I hope this is worded well enough. Let me know if you understand.


13JTSERB
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 00:19
I updated rule 11.6 its clarified now i believe
14dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 00:27
The minor league part makes sense although I didnt realize the part about not being able to go over 260.
So if say I am out of it this year and want to rebuild I cant send you Prince Fielder (who say doesnt show enough to warrant being kept) for Ian Kennedy who is having a great year and will be bargain to keep in future years but obviously not as value as Fielder for the playoff push?
15JTSERB
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 00:30
I see your point DPR. Im just sure not ow to justify being able to go over the cap. I suppose it would make it tougher next year on who to keep, but im not sure.

I would like some league input on this. What does everyone think?
16dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 00:36
I dont think it is said anywhere in the rules that you can't go over 260 and personally I think you should be able to.

Consider bidding on free agents also. if you cant go over 260 then for many teams filled with $1 players your max bid is $1. it puts these teams at a distinct disadvantage. Also we were encouraged to spend all our money so those teams which kept some spare would be able to better afford FAs. Because of these reasons I think we need to ignore the cap from opening day til the end of the season.

In terms of trades like Fielder for Kennedy in August i think this is part of the fun of the game. In a keeper league elements which pair short term success with longterm only add to the challenge
17JTSERB
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 00:47
I don't understand what you mean about bidding on free agents. You have to have a cap or everyone could just bid an unlimited amount on a player and nobody would ever win.
18dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 01:06
No I am saying if your roster cant go over 260 then your ability to bid on free agents is limited. For example using your team If you want to pick up the hot new closer you could only bid a dollar or have to drop a player of significance from your roster whereaas Khahan with his 20 extra dollars wouldnt ahve to drop a quality player to add a free agent who is popula.

I understand the need for the $100 FAAB.
19i hate philadelphia
      ID: 152151616
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 09:33
DPR the way I understood it is the 260 cap number is only for the draft. After that you are able to make as many trades as you want. You also can add as many FA's as you want using your separate FAAB budget which we decided on earlier. Then Next year at the draft you have to be under or at the 260 cap again.

As for FAAB(Free Agent Auction Bidding) it works like this. Each team gets $100 for the year. Each week there is a silent auction with bids due by Midnight Sunday CST. Any player you pick up counts against your FAAB budget unless you bid $0.

The $5 number is how much it would cost you at minimum to keep that player next year, however if you bid $20 on a player than that would be there price for next year.

Now I'm not positive that this is exactly what JTserb was thinking when we last had this discussion, but it really is the only way I see working at this point.
20Khahan
      ID: 46121614
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 09:36
With regards to going over the cap (this coming from the guy w/ the most left over): It was pretty clearly stated before we started that the $260 was for the draft only and had no bearing on in-season activity. The only time the $260 would come into play after this draft was when we started the 2009 draft.

Because of that and other reasons, I do not think the $260 cap should stay in place throughout the season.

I obviously have no problem adding unused draft cash to the $100 FAAB cash we have :) But if we don't, I'm fine with that, too.

Also with regards to an in-season cap of $260....this would severely hamper trading. That is a very bad thing in my opinion.
21Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 09:58
JT, I am not able to see the spreadsheet. I think you need to change the permission level, or allow my e-mail address to be able to see it.
22Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 10:04
As soon as the draft ends (has it ended?) the $260 is totally irrelevant as far as I can see. Trades can be made just as in a regular league. We don't start counting salaries against the cap till next year. You can trade for a roster that was auctioned for $460 if you can swing the deals.

JTSERB said -- spend your $260 -- there's nothing to save it for.

That's how I understood it.

Toral
23JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 10:38
During the season I agree it would hamper a lot of activities if we had a cap. I had a different idea of it, but in hindsight what all of you are saying makes a lot of sense.

The only time then you have to stay under the $260 cap would be at the beginning of each season. Is that how everyone had understood it?
24JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 10:39
Toral, the 25 man roster draft is complete yes. We are on the minor league draft now.
25Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 10:43
I guess it should be pointed out that the minor league draft is HERE and Jackhammers is up.
26JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 11:26
Everyone please log into your team in yahoo and make sure it is correct please.
27Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 11:42
JT, I was wondering if it'd be possible for you to send out an e-mail when someone is up in the draft. It could keep things running smoother and faster (even though I know there isn't a time limit) If not I could do it for you.
28JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 11:44
Yea that is no problem Kyle I will take care of that. Im guessing quite a few members probally don't even know that we are drafting for the minor league right now.
29dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 11:46
More questions.

When is is the first time we can use our FAAB budget?

Also a couple of WGs assumptions I differed on. Are you able to bid 0 or is the minimum $1? Also if I do win a free agent for less than $5 is his salary next year $5 or is it whatever bid for him?
30dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 11:46
sorry ihatephillys assumptions not WG
31JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 12:34
His salary is always $5. It does not matter what you bid on him. The FAAB balance just allows you to get the rights to the Free agent.

You can bid $0 on a Free Agent. So basically if you want to pick up a player and you dont think anyone will want him. You just send in a $0 bid.
32dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 12:37
ok. so wat happens then if I bid 20 on a free agent? is he kept at 5 or 20?
33JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 12:39
DPR, I think you what you are getting confused on is that the FAAB has nothing to do with what the players contract value will be.

All Free agents contract will be $5 no matter what.

The only exception is if a players is on waivers and someone picks him up. If that is done than his contract is the same as it was before he was dropped.

34dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 12:44
ok that sounds fair.

with regard to waivers are there no restrictions for picking up these players then? just waiver priority?
35JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 12:49
There is no such thing as waiver priority. Whoever bids the highest wins
36dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 12:55
I thought we only made bids for players on Sundays. How does this work for players on waivers?
37JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 13:00
when a player is dropped he will be on waivers until the next bidding period.
38Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 13:47
I'm confused.

Official rules as distributed re waivers say:

"9.1. Any player may be released at any time by his rotisserie team.
9.2. When a player is released, he is placed on waivers for 2 days. Within those 2 days, the lowest placed team to claim the player acquires the player. Waiver priority will be tracked using yahoo.
9.3. When a player is claimed off waivers, his salary is the same as when he was dropped.
9.4. After the 2-day waiver period has passed, if the player has not been claimed, he immediately becomes a free agent and is available to all teams."
39JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 15:06
Toral, those rules were the ones that were in place before we instituted the FAAB system. That is why is still says 2 days. I know I have to update it all and it will be soon.

We are using FAAB system for FA wire why wouldn't we for waivers?
40Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 19:47
Philly, trade proposal sent to your e-mail regarding trading picks in the prospect draft if you are still interested.
41JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 10:43
Kyle Payment received Thanks!

Still missing over half of the leagues money. Please get it in guys asap.

Anyone have torals? email i lost my contact list and cant seem to remember it. Hes up and I just want to give him a reminder.
42Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 11:21
JT I sent you Toral's e-mail do you need the rest of them. I have them saved in my contacts
43Khahan
      ID: 46121614
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 11:25
JTserb - payday today. Should be able to get a payment out to you by the end of the week.
44JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 11:46
yea kyle if you wouldn'd mind sending me everyones email.. I have most of them, but for some reason my gmail contact list isnt showing up.
45JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 11:47
For anyone using paypal please send to JTSERB@GMAIL.com.. I know i posted a different one before, but id like for you to send here.

Thanks
46 wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 11:50

I cannot see the spread sheet, it says i am not allowed access to the spread sheet.

Can someone email me a final roster?
thank you
47Goldcoach
      ID: 893426
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 12:05
RE 46 At present it still lacks the final few players.
48wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 12:06
I saw that one, but i am trying to get a cheatsheet for prospects.
49JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 13:05
I have permission set I dont know what is going on, but ill post all the players here so anyone can just do a control F to see if a player has been drafted.
50JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 13:06
Team Name First Name Last Name Position Team Dollars
JTSERB Matt Holliday OF COL 40
JTSERB Albert Pujols 1B STL 37
JTSERB David Ortiz CR BOS 36
JTSERB Brad Hawpe OF COL 17
JTSERB Magglio Ordonez OF DET 22
JTSERB Rickie Weeks 2B MIL 19
JTSERB Justin Verlander P DET 19
JTSERB Carlos Guillen MI DET 15
JTSERB Kosuke Fukudome UT CHI-N 8
JTSERB Troy Tulowitzki SS COL 18
JTSERB John Maine P NY-N 9
JTSERB Jerry Owens R CHI-A 2
JTSERB Josh Fields 3B CHI-A 4
JTSERB Ramon Hernandez C BAL 1
JTSERB Tom Gorzelanny P PIT 3
JTSERB Brian Fuentes P COL 1
JTSERB Jose Contreras R CHI-A 1
JTSERB Joe Crede R CHI-A 1
JTSERB Manny Parra P MIL 1
JTSERB David Riske P MIL 1
JTSERB Casey Kotchman R ANA 1
JTSERB Andre Ethier R LA 1
JTSERB Ian Kennedy P NY-A 1
JTSERB Gil Meche P KC 1
JTSERB Johnny Cueto P CIN 1
GoldCoach Alex Rodriguez 3B NY-A 48
GoldCoach Francisco Liriano P MIN 16
GoldCoach Chone Figgins 2B ANA 20
GoldCoach Edgar Renteria SS DET 11
GoldCoach Joba Chamberlain P NY-A 15
GoldCoach Gary Sheffield OF DET 13
GoldCoach Derrek Lee 1B CHI-N 21
GoldCoach Micah Owings P AZ 6
GoldCoach Mike Hampton P ATL 5
GoldCoach Jacoby Ellsbury OF BOS 13
GoldCoach Alfonso Soriano OF CHI-N 28
GoldCoach Dontrelle Willis P DET 8
GoldCoach Joey Devine P OAK 1
GoldCoach Mike Lowell CR BOS 8
GoldCoach Daric Barton UT OAK 5
GoldCoach Michael Napoli C ANA 3
GoldCoach Rafael Soriano P ATL 13
GoldCoach Yunel Escobar MI ATL 8
GoldCoach Justin Towles R HOU 5
GoldCoach Heath Bell P SD 4
GoldCoach John Patterson P WAS 2
GoldCoach Shelley Duncan R NY-A 1
GoldCoach Matt Garza R TB 1
GoldCoach Moises Alou R NY-N 2
GoldCoach Ian Stewart R COL 1
Toral Bobby Abreu OF NY-A 26
Toral Alex Gordon 3B KC 12
Toral Joe Nathan P MIN 15
Toral Pat Burrell OF PHI 14
Toral Takashi Saito P LA 14
Toral Roy Oswalt P HOU 18
Toral Jim Thome UT CHI-A 9
Toral Ben Sheets P MIL 15
Toral Ted Lilly P CHI-N 9
Toral Todd Helton 1B COL 15
Toral Raul Ibanez OF SEA 10
Toral Chad Billingsley P LA 10
Toral Dan Uggla 2B FLA 10
Toral Adam LaRoche CR PIT 3
Toral Kelly Johnson MI ATL 10
Toral Kevin Youkilis R BOS 13
Toral Matt Lindstrom P FLA 2
Toral Yovani Gallardo P MIL 15
Toral Pedro Martinez P NY-N 16
Toral Asdrubal Cabrera SS CLE 5
Toral George Sherrill R BAL 7
Toral Carlos Ruiz C PHI 2
Toral Jason Kubel R MIN 1
Toral Bobby Howry R CHI-N 2
Toral Tony Pena R AZ 2
DB Grady Sizemore OF CLE 33
DB Jimmy Rollins SS PHI 37
DB Jon Papelbon P BOS 21
DB Russell Martin C LA 15
DB Hunter Pence OF HOU 19
DB Nick Markakis OF BAL 18
DB Carlos Zambrano P CHI-N 20
DB C.C. Sabathia P CLE 19
DB Delmon Young UT MIN 9
DB Bill Hall CR MIL 3
DB Kevin Kouzmanoff 3B SD 7
DB Hideki Okajima P BOS 3
DB Brian Bannister P KC 1
DB Conor Jackson 1B AZ 7
DB Hiroki Kuroda P LA 5
DB Aaron Hill 2B TOR 1
DB Frank Thomas R TOR 2
DB Greg Maddux P SD 2
DB Freddy Sanchez MI PIT 1
DB B.J. Ryan P TOR 11
DB Kevin Gregg P FLA 8
DB Mark Reynolds R AZ 1
DB Jay Bruce R CIN 13
DB Jair Jurrjens R ATL 1
DB Lastings Milledge R WAS 3
DPR Prince Fielder 1B MIL 38
DPR John Smoltz P ATL 19
DPR Philip Hughes P NY-A 11
DPR Juan Pierre OF LA 8
DPR Ryan Zimmerman 3B WAS 14
DPR Chris Young OF AZ 11
DPR Ian Kinsler 2B TEX 13
DPR Chris Young P SD 19
DPR Brian Roberts MI BAL 18
DPR Andruw Jones OF LA 6
DPR Javier Vazquez P CHI-A 10
DPR Josh Hamilton UT TEX 9
DPR Jeff Francoeur R ATL 8
DPR Edwin Encarnacion CR CIN 10
DPR J.J. Hardy SS MIL 10
DPR Todd Jones P DET 6
DPR Felipe Lopez R WAS 5
DPR Joakim Soria P KC 9
DPR Billy Butler R KC 7
DPR Derek Lowe P LA 5
DPR Bengie Molina C SF 1
DPR Kevin Slowey P MIN 5
DPR A.J. Burnett P TOR 10
DPR Joe Blanton R OAK 2
DPR Joey Votto R CIN 1
Wiggs Jason Bay OF PIT 18
Wiggs Johan Santana P NY-N 39
Wiggs Justin Morneau 1B MIN 25
Wiggs Ryan Braun 3B MIL 36
Wiggs John Lackey P ANA 19
Wiggs Hideki Matsui OF NY-A 11
Wiggs Vladimir Guerrero OF ANA 28
Wiggs Jason Isringhausen P STL 6
Wiggs Francisco Rodriguez P ANA 14
Wiggs Carlos Delgado CR NY-N 5
Wiggs Ivan Rodriguez C DET 3
Wiggs Jhonny Peralta SS CLE 7
Wiggs Aaron Rowand UT SF 4
Wiggs Khalil Greene MI SD 2
Wiggs John Buck R KC 1
Wiggs Mike Mussina P NY-A 1
Wiggs Tom Gordon P PHI 1
Wiggs Stephen Drew R AZ 5
Wiggs Chad Cordero P WAS 9
Wiggs Brad Penny P LA 7
Wiggs Chien-ming Wang P NY-A 7
Wiggs Melky Cabrera R NY-A 1
Wiggs Kazuo Matsui 2B HOU 6
Wiggs Masahide Kobayashi R CLE 2
Wiggs Andy Pettitte R NY-A 3
I hate Philly David Wright 3B NY-N 40
I hate Philly Jose Reyes SS NY-N 40
I hate Philly Mark Teixeira 1B ATL 31
I hate Philly Chipper Jones CR ATL 25
I hate Philly Chase Utley 2B PHI 42
I hate Philly Barry Bonds R FA 3
I hate Philly Mariano Rivera P NY-A 13
I hate Philly Aaron Harang P CIN 15
I hate Philly Evan Longoria UT TB 9
I hate Philly Matt Cain P SF 11
I hate Philly Billy Wagner P NY-N 11
I hate Philly Scott Olsen P FLA 1
I hate Philly Aaron Heilman P NY-N 1
I hate Philly Chris Capuano P MIL 1
I hate Philly Xavier Nady OF PIT 1
I hate Philly Nate McLouth OF PIT 1
I hate Philly Jason Varitek C BOS 5
I hate Philly Mark Prior R SD 2
I hate Philly Noah Lowry P SF 1
I hate Philly Oliver Perez R NY-N 2
I hate Philly Justin Upton OF AZ 1
I hate Philly Shawn Hill P WAS 1
I hate Philly Barry Zito R SF 1
I hate Philly Jason Giambi R NY-A 1
I hate Philly Erick Aybar MI ANA 1
Kyle Miguel Cabrera 3B DET 38
Kyle Dan Haren P AZ 22
Kyle Jake Peavy P SD 37
Kyle Torii Hunter OF ANA 16
Kyle Cole Hamels P PHI 26
Kyle Ichiro Suzuki OF SEA 25
Kyle Eric Byrnes OF AZ 14
Kyle Carlos Marmol P CHI-N 8
Kyle Robinson Cano 2B NY-A 14
Kyle Orlando Hudson MI AZ 8
Kyle Michael Young SS TEX 13
Kyle Orlando Cabrera UT CHI-A 6
Kyle James Loney 1B LA 11
Kyle Mark Buehrle P CHI-A 5
Kyle Ryan Garko CR CLE 4
Kyle Kenji Johjima C SEA 2
Kyle Jon Garland P ANA 1
Kyle Derrick Turnbow P MIL 1
Kyle Peter Moylan P ATL 1
Kyle Jon Rauch P WAS 2
Kyle Dan Wheeler R TB 1
Kyle Nate Robertson R DET 1
Kyle A.J. Pierzynski R CHI-A 1
Kyle Andy LaRoche R LA 1
Kyle Chad Tracy R AZ 1
WG Ryan Howard 1B PHI 40
WG Aramis Ramirez 3B CHI-N 27
WG Carlos Beltran OF NY-N 30
WG Lance Berkman OF HOU 27
WG Adam Dunn OF CIN 25
WG Erik Bedard P SEA 26
WG Daisuke Matsuzaka P BOS 10
WG Garrett Atkins CR COL 19
WG Matt Kemp UT LA 5
WG Tim Lincecum P SF 15
WG Julio Lugo SS BOS 8
WG Zack Greinke P KC 4
WG Jeff Francis P COL 1
WG Akinori Iwamura R TB 2
WG Brian Wilson P SF 6
WG Josh Bard C SD 1
WG Mark Ellis 2B OAK 1
WG Scot Shields P ANA 1
WG Joaquin Benoit P TEX 1
WG Jeremy Accardo P TOR 2
WG Jason Bartlett MI TB 1
WG Justin Speier R ANA 1
WG Clayton Kershaw R LA 1
WG David Price R TB 1
WG Colby Rasmus R STL 5
Jackhammers Roy Halladay P TOR 18
Jackhammers Victor Martinez C CLE 19
Jackhammers Carl Crawford OF TB 41
Jackhammers Curtis Granderson OF DET 21
Jackhammers Bobby Jenks P CHI-A 14
Jackhammers Tim Hudson P ATL 10
Jackhammers Fausto Carmona P CLE 9
Jackhammers Huston Street P OAK 11
Jackhammers Joel Zumaya P DET 4
Jackhammers Geovany Soto R CHI-N 7
Jackhammers Adam Jones OF BAL 4
Jackhammers Franklin Morales P COL 1
Jackhammers Cameron Maybin R FLA 5
Jackhammers Jarrod Saltalamacchia 1B TEX 4
Jackhammers Jeff Kent SS LA 8
Jackhammers Dustin Pedroia MI BOS 8
Jackhammers Howie Kendrick R ANA 7
Jackhammers Placido Polanco 2B DET 6
Jackhammers Ryan Theriot 3B CHI-N 6
Jackhammers Joe Borowski P CLE 12
Jackhammers Brandon Lyon P AZ 10
Jackhammers Adrian Beltre CR SEA 11
Jackhammers Jose Guillen UT KC 1
Jackhammers Michael Bourn R HOU 3
Jackhammers Rich Hill R CHI-N 19
Twarpy Hanley Ramirez SS FLA 41
Twarpy Joe Mauer C MIN 15
Twarpy Brandon Webb P AZ 22
Twarpy Alexis Rios OF TOR 17
Twarpy Travis Hafner 1B CLE 25
Twarpy Nick Swisher OF CHI-A 9
Twarpy James Shields P TB 10
Twarpy Paul Konerko CR CHI-A 11
Twarpy Rafael Furcal MI LA 13
Twarpy Jermaine Dye OF CHI-A 7
Twarpy Rich Harden P OAK 9
Twarpy Manuel Corpas P COL 10
Twarpy Kelvim Escobar P ANA 7
Twarpy Luis Castillo 2B NY-N 7
Twarpy C.J. Wilson P TEX 6
Twarpy Ian Snell P PIT 9
Twarpy Michael Cuddyer UT MIN 3
Twarpy Jeremy Hermida R FLA 6
Twarpy Eric Gagne P MIL 9
Twarpy Rafael Perez P CLE 4
Twarpy Rafael Betancourt R CLE 5
Twarpy Jonathan Broxton R LA 7
Twarpy Pat Neshek R MIN 3
Twarpy Kerry Wood R CHI-N 4
Twarpy Chase Headley 3B SD 1
Khahan Carlos Lee OF HOU 32
Khahan Matt Capps P PIT 15
Khahan Brandon Phillips 2B CIN 24
Khahan Adrian Gonzalez 1B SD 16
Khahan Josh Beckett P BOS 22
Khahan Francisco Cordero P CIN 9
Khahan Vernon Wells OF TOR 16
Khahan Felix Hernandez P SEA 18
Khahan Corey Hart OF MIL 16
Khahan Jorge Posada C NY-A 10
Khahan Scott Kazmir P TB 18
Khahan Jeremy Bonderman P DET 9
Khahan Brad Lidge P PHI 9
Khahan Jack Cust UT OAK 5
Khahan Homer Bailey P CIN 4
Khahan Rocco Baldelli R TB 1
Khahan Yuniesky Betancourt SS SEA 1
Khahan Mark Teahen CR KC 3
Khahan Willy Taveras R COL 2
Khahan Dustin McGowan P TOR 3
Khahan Tadahito Iguchi MI SD 1
Khahan Nick Johnson R WAS 1
Khahan Bartolo Colon R BOS 1
Khahan Manny Delcarmen R BOS 2
Khahan Scott Rolen 3B TOR 1
Ksoze Derek Jeter SS NY-A 18
Ksoze Brian McCann C ATL 10
Ksoze Carlos Pena 1B TB 21
Ksoze B.J. Upton 2B TB 28
Ksoze J.J. Putz P SEA 16
Ksoze Manny Ramirez OF BOS 25
Ksoze Hank Blalock 3B TEX 10
Ksoze Miguel Tejada MI HOU 14
Ksoze Jered Weaver P ANA 11
Ksoze Ken Griffey Jr. OF CIN 6
Ksoze Jose Valverde P HOU 10
Ksoze Johnny Damon OF NY-A 6
Ksoze Clay Buchholz P BOS 10
Ksoze Shane Victorino UT PHI 6
Ksoze Troy Glaus CR STL 8
Ksoze Brett Myers P PHI 14
Ksoze Troy Percival P TB 5
Ksoze Trevor Hoffman P SD 12
Ksoze Lyle Overbay R TOR 1
Ksoze Randy Johnson P AZ 5
Ksoze Bronson Arroyo P CIN 4
Ksoze Ty Wigginton R HOU 6
Ksoze J.D. Drew R BOS 5
Ksoze Jon Lester R BOS 5
Ksoze Adam Wainwright R STL 4
51JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 13:06
Above is everyones complete roster.
52JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 13:28
Notice to all members.

FAAB system is starting today.

All bids on Free Agents will be processed on Wednesday at 12 PM. Central time.

All Bids are due by Tuesday at 11:59 PM Central time.

You are allowed to bid anywhere from $0 to $100 on a perspective Free Agent.

Also there is conditional bidding allowed.

Here is an example of a Free Bid.

1. Drop Arod Pick up in order Jeter $5, Posada $1, Cabrera $3

2. Drop Eckstein pick up Posada $1, Cabrera $3

3. Drop Pettite pick up Cabrera $3

so if you win all three bids you get all three and drop 3 players, but you get them in the order you posted.

Everyone understand?




53JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 13:48
I should also note all bids must be sent to me at jtserb@gmail.com


Also I will not open anyones emails until the deadline in which I will already have my bids in. I can't think of a better way to do this. I guess you guys will just have to trust me that I wont look at the bids until I make mine
54Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 14:32
Sorry for delay. Got called away on rl matter. Should be back to regular schedule tonight.
55JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 21:47
Hey Khahan,

I seen you dropped Baldeli. I just want to make sure you know that there is a cap penalty for that which will be imposed next year.

11.4. If a player is released before the end of his contract, the team releasing that player will be penalized as follows: The team's salary cap will be decreased by $1 for each year in the total number of years in the contract. For example, if a player is signed to a 4-year contract and is released during his second season, the team waiving the player will have $3 removed from his allotted salary cap in the next season, leaving that team with only $257 instead of the usual $260.

Just a heads up since it is early I want to make sure you are aware of this.
56DB
      ID: 15222416
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 22:03
When can I put in a claim for a FA? My MI is injured and I need to pick one up, when can I make a FA bid?
57JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 22:08
DB, you can make a claim right now if you want. Just send who you want to drop, who you want to pick up and how much you are bidding on him anywhere from $0-your available FAAB balance. Send it to jtserb@gmail.com. In the subject put DB Free agents request. I will not open any emails for pickups until the deadline which is on tuesdays at 11:59 P.M. central time

All waiver pickups will be processed on Wednesday at 12:00 PM Central time.

Here are some rules and examples.


FAAB system is starting today.

All bids on Free Agents will be processed on Wednesday at 12 PM. Central time.

All Bids are due by Tuesday at 11:59 PM Central time.

You are allowed to bid anywhere from $0 to $100 on a perspective Free Agent.

Also there is conditional bidding allowed.

Here is an example of a Free Bid.

1. Drop Arod Pick up in order Jeter $5, Posada $1, Cabrera $3

2. Drop Eckstein pick up Posada $1, Cabrera $3

3. Drop Pettite pick up Cabrera $3

so if you win all three bids you get all three and drop 3 players, but you get them in the order you posted.


58JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 22:15
Also a note to all... I am building a website for our League. I am putting alot of information in it and it should be pretty sweet. Here is a sneak preview.

PFAL WEBSITE
59Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 23:11
Just a clarification on the rules before tomorrow's games start.

According to the rules on the Yahoo site there shows a Maximum Games Played for hitters and Maximum Innings Pitched. I thought we agreed to a minimum IPs, and I don't remember there being a maximum games played for hitters. Could we get a clarification?
60Twarpy
      Leader
      ID: 386242821
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 01:30
Just messed up and picked up a player without FAAB, sorry I re-dropped him...Can we bid $0 oon a player and win him? What happens if there are two identical bids?
61JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 01:47
Kyle, that has been updated.. sorry thought I changed it. It wont let me select an IP min though.. I guess we will have to monitor ourselves?
62JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 01:49
Yes, you can win a player with a bid of $0. If there is a tie I will notify the league and there will be a re-bid for the players (blind again). Only the managers that tied will be allowed to re-bid again though.
63JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 11:13
Just a friendly reminder.

I have received payment from the following managers.

GOLDCOACH
KSOZE
DB
DPR
Kyle


If your name isn't listed above please get your payment in asap. If money is tight right now just let me know so I don't keep bugging everyone :)

Paypal: jtserb@gmail.com

64JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 11:50
Khahan payment received thanks!
65JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 12:06
Hey Wiggs, ya sent a payment, but it was $25.00 the fee for this league is $40.00
66wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 12:07
Mine should be there. Please let me know. I sent it last week, but it was never confirmed. I denied it and resent it today
67wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 12:08
oh crap i will send 15 more. sorry
68JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 12:15
received it Wiggs your good to go thanks!
69Khahan
      ID: 486552412
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 12:21
Sorry about the minor league draft delay. Pick is posted.
70JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 12:46
Toral, received your payment. Thanks!
71JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 15:45
Ihatephilly, I received check in the mail today. Thanks!
72Goldcoach
      ID: 439131016
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 16:20
So...
Are we bidding for Waiver Wire Pick ups, or are we able to request in order of standings rank (last to first) as it stated in the original rules. If we bid it seems like we are treating him just like a free agent and his salary should then be $5 not his original salary from the team that dropped him. If we select him in waiver (my preference) his salary THEN should be his salary as it existed on the team that dropped him. If he clears waivers then he becomes a free agent and FAAB rules should apply.

A second question arises in view of post #55. I thought that the Penalty applied only to players offered a long term contract. If it applies to all players that get dropped then each time we pick up a player, whether from waivers, free agent, or our minor league roster (we have to drop one to balance our roster) we take a $1 hit on next years $260 bidding cap. This might seriously curtail Free Agent Action. Also when a trade is involving an unbalanced # of players (someone) must be dropped.
For example Wiggs and I agree to a deal:
I send him Ruth & Mantle, In exchange I get Ford, Gibson, and Mays. To balance my roster I have to drop a player. Do I take a $1 hit on next years salary cap on this as well?
73JackHammers@work
      ID: 44122616
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 16:41
I wish I would have forgotten to set my roster today. I wonder how long it will take to get out of the basement in ERA and ratio
74JTSERB @ FRIENDS
      ID: 372442416
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 18:48
GC, we are bidding on FA using the FAAB balance. This was decided over a month ago.

To pick up any player off of Free Agency, Waivers you must big on him using your FAAB balance.

And yes if you drop any player regardless if he has a 1 year contrat or a 20 year contract there is a penalty for dropping him. I like this rule because it makes you think about dropping players and not just go pick a new player every to week to try and get lucky with a new closer.

So in short.

If you want a player that is in Free Agency or on the waivers you must send a bid to me saying who you want to drop and who you want to pick up and how much you are bidding on him.

If you pick up a player from Free Agency his contract is $5.

If you pick up a player from waviers his contract is whatever it was before.
IE: I drop Pujols and someone picks him up during waivers. His contract is still $36.





75JTSERB @ FRIENDS
      ID: 372442416
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 18:49
All bids for this week of FA pickups are due at 11:59 PM central tonight and they will all be processed tomorrow at 12:00 PM central
76dpr
      ID: 0232422
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 19:04
I if drop a player previously claimed from free agents then i dont have a $1 fee correst?
77Khahan
      ID: 46121614
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 11:31
Concerning Baldelli and the $1 hit:

I was not really aware of that but it appears that is how the rules are written. I'll take the hit on my cap and I understand you thinking behind the rule.

However, I do agree with goldcoach in post 72. I think the negative impact this rule may have will far outweigh the postive impact. The only real positive is you negate cluster add/drops to avoid stumbling into a closer or new everyday player

The negatives are far greater to me though.
Baldelli is basically out for the season, so due to an injury and that rule I am either penalized this year by being 1 slot short I'm penalized next year by losing $1 on my cap.

Trading will be stifled by this rule for the reasons GC posted. Good teams and bad teams alike will be hurt by this rule when the random injuries occur. I'd like to propose that the salary cap hit only be applied if a player is signed to a contract longer than 1 year and I'll leave it up to JTserb if we do this or go to a vote. But I really think the rule the way it is written now is going to do far more harm than good.

78JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 12:55
Anyone else have anything to say about dropping a 1 year contract player and not taking a cap hit? I like the way it is now, but that doesn't mean that's the best way.


Do you think that if you drop a 1 year contract player that there should be no penalty?


79Twarpy
      Leader
      ID: 386242821
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 13:08
Id be higly against the penalty for dropping a 1 year contracts, I mean we don't even really need FAAB then, as there were probably be very few pickups in this league, if any at all. My understanding is the penalty was for breaking long term contracts, which I agree is necessary but thought was also too low. Id be for increasing the penalties for breaking contracts and not having penalties for 1 year players that you drop.
80I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 6239199
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 13:12
I agree with Twarpy on this. i'm not sure why youd have the cap hit and the faab system
81JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 13:21
Ok, if you drop a 1 year player there is no cap hit.

We will discuss the long term dropping of a contract in the offseason then.
82JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 13:36
Week 1 Free Agency

DB

Drop Frank Thomas and Bill Hall

Add Rick Ankiel ($5 FAAB bid) and Bobby Crosby ($0 FAAB Bid)

Twarpy

Drop Chase Headley

Add Aubrey Huff ($0 FAAB Bid)

IhatePhilly

Drop Chris Capuano

Add Josh Willingham ($0 FAAB Bid)

JTSERB

Drop Josh Fields

Add Brendan Harris ($0 FAAB Bid)

Free agency for this week is now closed. Next free agency add drops are on Wednesday April 2nd





83JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 13:37
Please remember that the FA that everyone picked up are valued at $5 for their contract.

84JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 13:39
There is an error in post 82.

Everything is right except DB bid $1 on Bobby Crosby not $0. I will update the website to show all balances and transactions sometimes today. I'm hoping to get the whole website done this weekend.

85dpr
      ID: 21252614
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 16:11
I also dont think we need a penalty for players who are dropped who are on a 1 year contract. I would even extend this to include players in the last year of a long term contract so that it can be more balanced
86Khahan
      ID: 46121614
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 17:16
I would even extend this to include players in the last year of a long term contract so that it can be more balanced

I think that actually leaves the system open for abuse. After going .300 50/50 100 runs I sign Brandon Phillips to a 3 year from 2009 to 2011. He tanks 2009 and 2010. Come day 1 of 2011 when he should be getting 'paid' I drop him with no penalty rather than keep his horrid stats taking up a slot.
87Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 17:48
I would be for a player on a one-year contract to not have a penalty when dropped. I don't want to get a player for $1 who does absolutely nothing, drop them and then cost me that $1 again next year. It also will end up costing me $6 to bring up a minor league player.
Conversely I agree that players signed to a long-term contract that are dropped have a fine. The situation given in post 86 is a perfect example of why.
88JTSERB @ FRIENDS
      ID: 372442416
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 19:32
Hey, Twarpy would you mind making your pick in the minor league draft? You have been up for a quite a while. I know there is no clock, but a day and a half is a bit long dont ya think?

I seen you posted in the thread today so please pick
89Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 22:10
I have a question on who I can draft. There was a player dropped who is still rookie eligible. Can I draft him in the rookie draft?
90JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 22:49
No, you cannot draft him Kyle. Any player that has been on a Major League roster. Meaning our rosters in PFAL cannot sent back down to the minors.

I am going to assume your talking about Josh Fields. Now next season if Fields isn't on anyone team he can be either drafted in the Major league draft or the Minor league draft.
91Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 23:04
Ok that's cool. I just figured I'd ask and clarify the rules on the minor league draft.
92dpr
      ID: 292282621
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 23:31
In response to 86 the penalty is that they players salary would still hurt against salary in the draft jsut that after the draft you can drop the player without fine
93Goldcoach
      ID: 893426
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 08:44
I think that the fines against dropping a player who has a long term contract should definately apply. Makes us serious about offering such contracts.
Using the ex in 86, as I under stand the rules
Dropping Brandon Phillips in 2009 cost Khahan $3 from his Spring 2010 $260 Bidding allowance, the following year his allowance reverts to $260.
Dropping him in 2010 costs him $2 for Spring 2011 draft, the following year his allowance reverts to $260.
And dropping him in 2011 cost $1 for Spring 2012, the following year his allowance reverts to $260.
94Goldcoach
      ID: 893426
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 08:52
In a sense this mimics real life. The White Sox kept Crede on their roster even though Fields (in the minors)had a better spring. Why? Because they were unable to trade him and if the released him to make room for Fields (or someone else) it was going to cost them REAL MONEY; so they decided to keep him, hoping he'll get hot and they can make a trade in the early part of the season.
95I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 6239199
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 09:57
I'm ok with dropping anyone that is in a long term contract getting a penalty. In fact I'm for that. What I don't like is the idea of being penalized for dropping a guy I drafted this year for $1 like stated above.
96Khahan
      ID: 46121614
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 12:32
Per post 81 JTserb has stated there is no longer a cap hit for dropping a 1-year player.
97wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 12:47
Can some one please explain this to me. I am totally confused about this multiyear contracts.
98Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 13:31
I think this is what I am getting. Someone tell me if I am wrong.

At the end of this year we have the option to extend contracts to at least 8 players and at most 15 players. These can be either for a 1 year extension at the same price or multiyear extensions for the $5 prorated contracts.

If we cut a player who has a multiyear contract there is a fine for (How many years is left on their contract times $1) that will be subtracted from your next year's $260 salary cap.

e.g. I keep Babe Ruth (originally $5) for 5 years. I cut him in the middle of year 2 so he has 4 years left on his contract. I get fined $4 in 2010, $3 in 2011, $2 in 2012 and $1 in 2013.

Is that what everyone else is understanding? Or are you only fined $4 in '10?
99wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 13:34
Ok, Thanks Kyle, but if we dont sign contracts til the end of the season there should be no penalty for this season right?

Also you said At the end of this year we have the option to extend contracts to at least 8 players and at most 15 players. These can be either for a 1 year extension at the same price or multiyear extensions for the $5 prorated contracts.

Do we have to do 8?
100Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 14:38
As I understand it we must keep at least 8 players next year.
101Goldcoach
      ID: 893426
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 15:06
I understood the penalty for dropping a Long Term Player applied only to the next years draft cap, ie.e its a one time penalty.
Since there are no long term contracts this year there should be no penalties assesed this year.(except DB for overbidding)
102Goldcoach
      ID: 893426
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 15:08
The rules say we must keep as few as 8 and no more than 15 each year.
103Goldcoach
      ID: 893426
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 15:10
Rule 14.1 From Season to season, each team must retain between 8 and 15 players, excluding minor league players. there is a limit of 4 minor league players a team may keep from one year to the next.
104JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 15:42
Rule Regarding Dropping Players

You are allowed to drop any player that was originally signed to a 1 year deal without a cap hit.

If you drop a player that is in a multi year contract, the following penalty is applied. For each remaining year on the contract including the one that you are currently in you will be fined $1.

IE: I drop Albert Pujols in year 3 of a 5 year deal the penalty will be $3, which is applied to the following season and that season only

Formula for dropping multi-year contracts.

Cap Hit=(Contract Length - Current Year of Contract)+1

You must keep between 8-15 players each season.

105JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 21:58
Site has been updated. Contracts and Minor League draft pages still need to be completed, but should be by this weekend.

I have added a Trade Block page. If you wish to add players to your trade block page just send them to my email and I will put them on the site.

Check it out PFAL

Let me know what you think, if you notice any errors, or if you have any ideas of what to add to the site.

Thanks
JT
106JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Tue, Apr 01, 2008, 12:58
When you send me your free agent add drops please type a message in the body.

For example: This is for the FAAB Pickup. I am only writing this so it's long enough to not be read in the inbox of g-mail.


When I check my email inbox it gives a preview of every message. It shows about the first 50 characters or something. So while I am not opening the email I could and probally will see who you want to bid on.
107Goldcoach
      ID: 893426
      Wed, Apr 02, 2008, 12:39
PFAL Website is looking good.
108JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Wed, Apr 02, 2008, 13:23
4 Transactions today. Updated here Transactions
109JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Thu, Apr 03, 2008, 11:54
Addded Cueto today.

Still waiting on Kershaw and PRice to be entered into yahoo for WG's team
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