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Subject: Gurupie 20 2008 Prospect Draft Discussion
Posted by: Ref
- Donor [539581218] Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 11:44
Please use this thread for discussion during the prospect draft. Please refrain from discussing eligible draftees until after they are drafted.
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| 1 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 12:37
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I am still looking to move into the first round and have young studs like Chris Davis and Mat Gamel to trade.
I also have Tosh's queue and I am totally unavailable from 7:00am PT through probably 6:00pm PT on Monday. I will need to forward Tosh's queue to someone. Anyone who doesn't pick before Tosh available to take it?
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| 2 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 13:49
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I should generally be around, and since I have no picks in this draft, I can take queues from anyone.
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| 3 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 14:34
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Great. I lost his queue. He said he was around with intermittent access so Tosh - send it again (I emailed him as well) and I'll copy Guru to pick for you.
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| 4 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 15:40
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You should have drafted Gamel as a prospect.
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| 5 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 16:16
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I would have had no chance to get Gamel where I am drafting, so I took matters into my own hands! :) With the LaPorta trade, Gamel is sure to be groomed for RF with Hart taking CF when they jettison Cameron. Man does that guy swing the stick!
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| 6 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 17:44
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Well that is certainly within your right. Just hate it for the guys drafting who might have wanted him.
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| 7 | blue hen
ID: 30311814
Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 17:52
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Yeah, and isn't it a coincidence that the guy who got the idea to trim the field of good players in the draft is also the same guy that has no first round pick in said draft?
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| 8 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 18:09
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Just thinking out loud here and not a proposal...but what if we could come up with some sort of rule where a prospect-eligible player who is still in the minors couldn't be picked up before the prospect draft??? I mean there would have to have some things go into it as some guys would want to pick up a guy who is being called up but not officially up yet, etc.
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| 9 | blue hen
ID: 30311814
Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 18:11
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Or that you'd have to hold a guy for longer. If we told Species he'd have to keep Gamel till Sept 1 or make him eligible, he might drop him.
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| 10 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 18:35
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There should be nothing wrong with speculative pickups. I did not pick up Gamel to block someone from getting him in the prospect draft. I picked up Gamel because he was mashing so incredibly well that he has a chance to get called up and have some serious value. I did the same thing with Chris Davis and now I have one of the top mashing prospects in baseball up smacking 5 HR's in 12 major league games.
With my season toast, why not spend a few of our precious roster spots on speculative pickups that can be used in the offseason to pick up value? That was my entire strategy for 2 years (2004/2005) and I turned a piece of crap team into a pretty decent core of keepers.
Of the players I have done this with, McPherson isn't prospect eligible, and Davis and Ramirez are both in the majors anyway, might hit 55 AB's to be ineligible and would have assuredly been picked up by others upon their callup.
I guess that's my way of saying I've only done this with Gamel as a speculative pickup because he could get called up the way he is mashing......not out of some vindictive pattern of prospect-eligible pickups designed to keep some top prospects from being available in the draft. At least not this year! lol 2005 you could have made that case though!
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| 11 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 20:14
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Species, not saying you did anything wrong at all.
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| 12 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 20:35
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I know I didn't Ref, and I appreciate that blue hen is bringing up a legit point......I guess I was defending it in advance :)
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| 13 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 20:46
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So, Species, where are your pix coming from this year? Belgium? Malaysia? Burundi?
Toral
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| 14 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 20:50
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They are ineligible......sadly.
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| 15 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 20:52
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I re-sent my queue to Species
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| 16 | blue hen
ID: 30311814
Fri, Jul 11, 2008, 10:53
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Species is definitely playing within the rules. I've have Reid Brignac and [undrafted] on my team this year even though they were far from major leaguers.
However, I think we should tweak the rules so that if you pick up a player who has not yet reached eligibility after June 1, that you are required to hold onto him until October 1. Because despite Species' ravings, Gamel is far from a major leaguer at this point, and I bet he gets dropped by August 1.
I will point out that Species has a full, complete, active roster at this point, so that's to his credit.
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| 17 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Fri, Jul 11, 2008, 11:36
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Here is some of the past discussion about modifying prospect rules and reasons why we should or shouldn't consider making changes. There was also lots of discussion during adoption of the prospects as well, but I don't have links to that. My current thinking is leave the rules as they stand.
Start at post 323
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| 18 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 09:53
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Can anyone take a queue? I pick 11th, so perhaps someone who goes after me?
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| 19 | blue hen
ID: 30311814
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 10:42
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I can, R9. I pick 12th.
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| 20 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 13:55
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Pick #2 is invalid. Gamel is already on a roster.
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| 21 | Toral Away
ID: 46341210
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 14:14
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Who can take a 3-player queue?
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| 22 | Great One
ID: 56438112
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 14:25
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I don't go again for 20 picks and am on the computer til 4:30 PM. Then from 6 PM til late... (for Toral and anybody else).
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| 23 | Toral Away
ID: 46341210
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 14:33
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Queuez sent to Great One and Guru. Heading back to the beach...have a good draft guyz.
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| 24 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 14:43
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According to the rules, when an illegal pick is made the draft is to continue and the 'corrected' pick can be remade at any time.
So that means that PD is on the clock for his next pick. AA can make another selection at any time, hopefully he is around and will make it soon.
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| 25 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 14:45
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Also, if anyone has a way of getting hold of AA, please do so. thanks
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| 26 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 14:46
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Just a heads-up. I have queues for both Toral and Tosh. But as long as it doesn't rain on the golf course, I'll be away from about 4pm until 8:30pm (ET) today.
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| 27 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 14:48
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PD - according to the draft rules, you are on the clock now, even though AA still has to make up his earlier pick.
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| 28 | Perm Dude
ID: 39632128
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 15:01
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No problem. Am working on a possible trade for the pick.
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| 29 | blue hen
ID: 30311814
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 16:05
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If my numbers are correct, Perm Dude times out in 40 minutes. Is there any chance the c clock can be carried over to the supplemental draft?
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| 30 | blue hen
ID: 30311814
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 17:11
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So is Toral on the clock now?
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| 31 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 17:46
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I believe GO forwarded me Toral's queue. Let me look and I'll make his pick.
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| 32 | blue hen
ID: 30311814
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 17:47
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I picked for Toral. Some slack jawed yokel is on the clock.
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| 33 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 17:47
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Nevermind, I see you already made it. Did you email the next 3?
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| 34 | blue hen
ID: 30311814
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 18:14
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No - I'm away from a computer. I got GO's mail and am able to get here, but not to CBS.
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| 35 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 18:15
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I emailed Yokel.
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| 36 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 18:34
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I F'ed up... Sorry about that. Hell, I was ecstatic just to manage to make the pick between meetings, but obviously (and inexplicably) blew the call.
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| 37 | Great One
ID: 2241519
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 19:06
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If a moderator could clean up the draft thread that would be awesome...
What happened to PD? He was giving some time to Allhair but then disappeared?
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| 38 | Perm Dude
ID: 39632128
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 19:09
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Still looking for Species, who offered up a trade for the pick.
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| 39 | darkside
ID: 181035120
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 19:10
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Sorry I forgot my pick number...I was 12.07
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| 40 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 19:28
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Just picked.
Will email the next three in a minute.
Cliff
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| 41 | Species
ID: 16481418
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 20:00
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PD - just got back online for a little bit. I would do the trade if you are around.
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| 42 | Perm Dude
ID: 39632128
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 20:12
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Just got the email. Gimme a sec and I'll make the pick.
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| 43 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 20:31
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Just got home, but I'm exhausted. Eyex aren't focusing well so am not going to be able to sit in front of the computer. Will come back to check every once in awhile before going to bed for the night.
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| 44 | Code Cracker
ID: 300152013
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 22:56
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Who can take a queue?
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| 45 | StLCards
ID: 372301819
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 23:01
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I can take one, but I'm not sure how long I'll be around tonight and may not be around first thing in the morning either so you may want to send it to someone else as well.
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| 46 | Code Cracker
ID: 300152013
Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 23:13
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I'll just hold it until morning. Guess there is no hurry, as usual.
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| 47 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 00:07
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I'll only be available by email tommorow, so any help would be much appreciated.
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| 48 | Perm Dude
ID: 39632128
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 00:09
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I'm finished with the draft, and so am happy to take queues.
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| 49 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 00:57
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OK Code is up. Even though we were incredibly slow today, it's fine. We're almost half way through the draft on the first day. I think we will get done tomorrow and then we can get the prospects checked and entered into the rules page and salarized hopefully by Wed., but def. before play starts on Thurs.
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| 50 | blackjackis21
ID: 22655150
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 01:55
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Sent a q to a G.O., St. L, and PD as I won't be around much tomorrow. G.O. - I'll get back to you on your latest offer...
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| 51 | Perm Dude
ID: 53622158
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 09:23
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Got it.
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| 52 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 09:28
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Sent a queue off to PD for my 2nd rounder. If you have to leave PD, maybe forward it to someone who doesn't pick before me?
Thanks for the help!
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| 53 | Perm Dude
ID: 53622158
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 09:31
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No problem. I've got an errand to run for about an hour, but will be here the rest of the day.
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| 54 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 12:14
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looks like mbj will time out at 1:29 and bmd has 1:01 left on his c clock.
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| 55 | Perm Dude
ID: 53622158
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 12:25
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Just sent MBJ an email--he might not know he is up.
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| 56 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 13:43
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mbj has timed out.
bmd times out at 2:30.
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| 57 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 14:00
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And there goes my entire Q...I hope people are emailing the next three. Wouldn't have known I was up if I didn't check on the draft. It's going to take me a few mins again to work up some names...
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| 58 | Perm Dude
ID: 53622158
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 14:02
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I emailed you, ref!
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| 59 | blue hen
ID: 30311814
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 15:09
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I'm looking to get another pick in this draft. If anybody that's left doesn't want their pick, we can work out a deal.
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| 60 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 15:14
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I'm mulling over some choices. Will pick shortly.
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| 61 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 15:14
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got it pd...but didnt have it yet when i posted. again no biggie...we're not in a time crunch--just trying to keep people from waiting on me.
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| 62 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 15:22
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Who would have thought two Neftali's would have been drafted.
I emailed the next three.
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| 63 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 15:27
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never even seen that name before...now two prospects...
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| 64 | blue hen
ID: 30311814
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 15:28
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I had a Neftali friend growing up. He sucked at baseball though.
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| 65 | Great One
ID: 56438112
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 16:12
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Beau knows GO
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| 66 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 16:25
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Crap, I forgot the asterik for James Beckham.
Could somebody please email the next 3 for me.
I'm at work.
Thanks,
Cliff
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| 67 | Great One
ID: 56438112
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 16:27
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Toral picked him already Cliff...
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| 68 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 16:28
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I'm on it buddy. No problem.
StL Cards - if you would like to re-mull, please feel free. I wanted Feliz :(
Pick in a few....just got back from a meeting.
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| 69 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 16:29
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I will wait on Cliff to repick....at least for a while
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| 70 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 16:36
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I sent Cliff a text.
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| 71 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 16:37
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Crap, What I get for looking for James.
I'll repick in a few.
Cliff
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| 72 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 16:42
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Species is up.
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| 73 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 16:45
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LOL, I'm going to use that in future marketing of Feliz.
"Species Approved"
Aaron Crow was another one I was pondering taking, especially since he went to school at MO.
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| 74 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 16:48
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OK, 5 more to go.
I didn't spend much time on these this year. Most of the names taken wasn't even on my list. Of course the one I wanted the most went right before me. But dunno if he would have panned out or not anyway.
I am just starting to go through and make sure these picks are eligible. Should probably clean up the draft thread at some point.
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| 75 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 17:01
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Next 3 emailed
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| 76 | blue hen
ID: 30311814
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 17:56
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I'm (still) looking to get another pick in this draft. If anybody that's left doesn't want their pick, we can work out a deal.
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| 77 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 19:16
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Anybody with a queue from mbj? Some other obscure Reds prospect perhaps? ;-)
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| 78 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 19:48
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Looks like mbj times out at 8:15.
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| 79 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 19:58
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The #4 and #6 guys on my list are still unpicked. I guess I should have dropped prospect Adam Miller after all and replace him with someone healthier.
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| 80 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 20:10
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lol........yeah that's always a bad feeling when your queue isn't emptied! If I recall, you got the #1 man in your queue last year at pick 10-ish as well, didn't you??
I took a flier that Fuentes is traded and they groom Weathers to take over in 2009.
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| 81 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 20:32
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There are several guys I considered who weren't picked.
All prospects appear to be legal selections.
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| 82 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 20:57
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[80] Yeah. With pick 10 this year, I got the #1 guy in my queue. Odd.
Even though I had him listed first, I considered not taking Buster Posey (C, SF), since Geovany Soto seems like he wants to be a keeper for me next year. I rarely have a good catcher. Maybe I'll have two in a couple years.
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| 83 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 00:08
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Draft is over. Half of them were in the db and have been salarized. Remember to monitor your players. Please check the prospects in the rules to be sure I recorded them accurately.
When a ,od gets a chance, if you could clean up the draft thread, it would be appreciated.
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