Posted by: Ender
- [0442215] Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 21:51
Perhaps a new thread will spark new discussion. I anticipated more banter than we have had. I'm not sure the forum in general is even following the league.
I squeaked one out this week against leggestand. Dillon really hurt me as I didn't have anyone to start in his place. Rattay also almost cost me, but I had warning on that and was able to pickup Bledsoe as bandaid. Fortunately Martin was just good enough Monday night before getting yanked.
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155
Guru
ID: 330592710 Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:17
Essentially, your roster is not locked for the playoffs until it is locked for this weekend. After this weekend, the only add/drop moves that can be made are those related to injuries at those positions listed.
156
Motley Crue
ID: 181650 Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:26
OK, but Moe Williams should have been frozen when Ender made that move, no? 5:55 EST. The Minnesota game was over at that point.
157
Guru
ID: 330592710 Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:50
I'm surprised the system allows us to drop a frozen player. I thought that once a player was frozen, he could not be dropped. Evidently that limitation only applies to adds. Hmmm...
In that case, Ender's move was not permitted after all, and I'll have to reverse it. Testaverde can still be added, but Williams cannot be the player dropped.
158
Guru
ID: 330592710 Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:54
I just reread the Fanball rules for add/drops, and I still don't understand why the system allowed that transaction. It appears to me that it should have been blocked.
159
Sludge
ID: 48955820 Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:54
Pathetic!
As it stands now, it looks like the #6 spot will be between Rotoguru and MC, and whoever loses the tie-breaker will certainly get the #7 spot. To get the #8 spot, I need Jimmy Smith's score minus Darrell Jackson's score to fail to exceed 20.9. I'm almost embarrased to still have a good shot at making the playoffs. I didn't think that Favre or Green would get many points, but I didn't expect that brutal a drubbing. I was aiming for 90 points; I thought that was not only possible but probable. Boy was I wrong.
160
TB Leader
ID: 031811922 Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:02
I looked at the scoring a couple times today. I think I am the odd man out, Sludge. Would have been easier to stomach had the Raiders hung on today. Disappointing season all around for me.
161
Guru
ID: 330592710 Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:05
Ender - if you want Vinny, you can still drop an unfrozen player to pick him up. Please send me an email, or post your intention here.
I tried to reverse your move, but for some reason I can't locate Moe Williams!
162
Guru
ID: 330592710 Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:14
I don't know if Ender is still alert or not, but in case he misses the fact that his earlier move should have been invalid, I'll allow him the option to drop Ayodele even if he misses tonight's game freeze. Ayodele is on his bench anyway, and he has a surplus of IDPs, so that would seem to be his best legal move to make if he wants to add Testaverde.
Meanwhile, I filed a trouble ticket with Fanball to find out why the system allowed Moe Williams to be dropped after he was frozen for the weekend.
163
Sludge
ID: 48955820 Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:15
In all likelihood, TB, yes. But Jimmy Smith can go off at any time. Darrell Jackson has been a serious dissapointment all year for me. It's not out of the range of what is possible, by any stretch of the imagination.
164
Sludge
ID: 48955820 Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:16
Either way, though, a monster game by Jimmy Smith will go a long way to helping me lock up a playoff spot in another league. The worst that can happen, however, is that Smith has a monster game but it's still not enough to help me in my other league. Guess which scenario I'm thinking is going to happen?
165
Guru
ID: 330592710 Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:30
BTW, Motley, the live scoring page is missing 6 points for the TD return by McGee. If they don't pick it up by Tuesday, I'll have to add it in manually. I doubt if it will make any difference in the final standings, however. It looks like you have the 6th playoff slot under control.
166
Motley Crue
ID: 181650 Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 21:36
With a moment to reflect now, I am very disappointed that I started off this season so poorly (1-7). It made me lose interest in everything that was going on except my own team. So I have really missed out on many of the exciting things that have happened this season in this league. I'm sure there have been many great games, some close ones, and a few epic ones. After my poor start, I concentrated solely on getting good players from the waiver pool and ignored pretty much everything else. As recently as last week I was feeling so disappointed about not qualifying to play in this league again next season. I hope that my comeback performance has earned an invitation. The draft in this league was the best I've ever been involved with. I look forward to the Playoffs, but also to competing in such a great league on a yearly basis from now on.
//MC
167
Taxman SuperDude
ID: 029463114 Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 23:09
MC, WOW! What a marvelous afternoon you had today. If your team performs in the playoffs as it did today, there will not be any question of your return next year. This is the second week in a row I've run into the "hot" RIFC hand. I hope it's out of my system now.
About your poor start and the waiver pool, with out the former, you efforts in the latter would have been less productive.
168
Ender
ID: 391134322 Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 23:36
I'm sorry I was out until now :( I assumed that since the site allowed the drop portion it was legal from that standpoint. I'd be willing drop Ayodele to make it legal.
I apologize for all the confusion. I tried to read everything thoroughly before I made the move, but was thrown by the week 13/14 thing. I could have saved all of this by dropping Ayodele to begin with.
169
Guru
ID: 330592710 Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 23:42
No problem, Ender. I'm surprised the site allowed that to go through as well.
I'll swap out Ayodele and put back Moe Williams. I may have to wait for Williams to clear waivers before I can do it, however. For some reason, I can't seem to access players who are currently on waivers.
170
Ender
ID: 391134322 Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 23:54
Thanks, Guru.
Hopefully Bulger will be fine and I waon't even need Vinny then the whole issue will be moot :)
171
Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 10:39
Barring some really unusual scoring adjustments or MNF results, this looks like it will be the playoff seedings:
GoatLocker wins the point tiebreaker over leggestand, since they split head-to-head.
Motley Crue wins the point tiebreaker over Guru, since they split head-to-head.
The 7th and 8th spots are based solely on points. If Darrell Jackson gets about 14 or more tonight, Sludge will overtake Guru for the 7th slot. Otherwise, Guru will outpoint Sludge. Regardless, Sludge is assured of no worse than 8th, since he is already ahead of TB, who has no players left to produce this weekend.
Did I do the math right this time, Sludge?
The Championship bracket will be a 3 week, single elimination tournament with no reseeding.
The Consolation bracket will also be a 3 week tournament. Teams will be seeded based on W/L record, using points as a tiebreaker. The 3 first round winners and the top first round loser (from within the bracket) will advance to round 2. The second round will be reseeded.
172
leggestand Leader
ID: 451036518 Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 11:19
I need Alexander to give 26 points tonight to overtake Goatlocker, and playing the Cowboys, this is a possibility. I want the coveted 4th spot to get the automatic invite to next season.
Ender, good luck taking out MC's frieght train next week...
173
Ender Donor
ID: 013443221 Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 12:46
No kidding. I sure hope Bulger does play, I'll need all the help I can get.
Of course there's the line of thought that says he's used up an awful lot of his points already, he can't keep it up, he's due for a bad week, he'll regress to the mean, etc...
174
Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 13:25
Oddly, I got a response from Fanball that says that frozen bench players can be dropped (after they are frozen). Doesn't that seem odd? Essentially, you could always pick up any MNF football player on Monday by dropping a frozen bench player.
As far as I can tell, there is no automated way to limit this type of move (other than by Commissioner fiat).
It becomes rather moot for the rest of this season, given our upcoming player restrictions. But, for future reference, does anyone think that it should be proper to be able to drop a frozen bench player in order to add an unfrozen player? Am I simply wrong about this?
175
Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 14:03
To elaborate, if frozen bench players can be dropped, you would have the option to move a newly injured bench player before the next claiming period, as long as you can pick up someone who is not yet frozen.
Example: Suppose you had Bulger on your bench yesterday. He gets injured early in the game. Assume that the injury is severe enough that you think he's out for the rest of the year. Under the Fanball rule, you could immediately drop him and immediately add any player whose game had not yet started.
It seems like this partially circumvents the claiming process. It doesn't allow you (or anyone) the ability to immediately claim the injured player's replacement (e.g., Chandler), since that replacement would already be frozen. But it does allow you a chance to grab an unfrozen player (e.g., Testaverde).
176
Ender Donor
ID: 013443221 Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 14:57
That's a bit of a head scratcher.
Let me ask this, what advantage does the person dropping the player gain? What opportunity does he have that no one else has?
It seems to me that it is not affecting the frozen roster. I'd also say that anyone else in the league has the same opportunity to pick up an unfrozen player.
It does seem a bit odd, but I don't know that it creates an unfair advantage for the owner making the claim.
177
Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 15:49
I guess it doesn't give the dropping manager an unfair advantage, insofar as other managers will also have frozen bench players that they can drop.
It just seems odd that frozen bench players should be treated differently than frozen active players. Frozen active players who get injured must wait until the following week to be replaced(for good reason, of course). Frozen bench players who are injured can be immediately replaced. This just seems contrary to the general concept of a weekly prioritized claiming system.
Frankly, if I had understood this to be the rule (assuming we had agreed that this was an appropriate rule), there might have been times that I would have managed a bit differently. For example, last week I dropped someone (I forget who) in advance of the Sunday games in order to add Shaun McDonald, just in case Torry Holt turned out to be inactive on Monday. I figured that if I waited until Monday to get the final word on Holt, the only player I'd have available to drop would be Holt - and that would have been a Hobson's choice. But, if I knew that I could drop any frozen bench player right up until the Monday night game time, I might have retained the original bench player.
I must confess I never noticed if anyone dropped a frozen bench player at any time this season. The only time I noticed late transactions, the dropped player was still unfrozen, and I simply assumed that this was by necessity.
That's why, when Ender mentioned his latest swap, I simply assumed that the dropped player was still unfrozen, without even thinking about who it was.
178
leggestand Leader
ID: 451036518 Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 16:49
Adjustments made to GoatLocker's score...now Alexander only needs 23.2 points tonight to vault me into the coveted 4th spot.
As for the issue at hand, Fanball's allowance of this makes no sense to me. Although everyone has the ability to do this, I think that once a player's team has played, he is frozen, whether he is on the bench or starting.
179
GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 18:45
Legge, You didn't hear, Alexander is in Holgrem's doghouse and not playing tonite.
I wish.
Well, maybe he'll only get 23.18 points.
Cliff
180
Ender
ID: 391134322 Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 19:54
Sounds like Bulger will be out this week :(
Perhaps Dillon will run rough-shod all over his former team and score enough for he and Bulger combined.
181
Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 22:44
Looks like Darrell Jackson will push Sludge up to 7th place, and the right to face Peyton Manning next week. I'll get the 8th slot and the right to face Donovan McNabb.
182
Sludge
ID: 48955820 Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 23:20
I'm giddy with joy, Guru. Absolutely ecstatic.
183
Guru
ID: 330592710 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 00:00
Is that because you look forward to facing Peyton, or simply because I did the math right?
184
TB Leader
ID: 031811922 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 00:04
Lol
185
Perm Dude Dude
ID: 030792616 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 01:15
That last td by Alexander (plus the Hail Mary that went off Engram's helmet) kept me from going 2-0. Might even have finally eliminated me from the playoffs, though I think I would have lost the first tiebreaker of PF.
186
Motley Crue Leader
ID: 439372011 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 08:37
Re: 178, I totally agree. It's stupid and it shouldn't be that way. I think Fanball has some loose ends to tie up for next year's version. I realize we have a few unusual scoring aspects, but if they are going to cater a fully customizable league, they need to get with it and quit having these kinds of lame idiosynchracies.
187
Guru
ID: 330592710 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 08:49
If there are any scoring discrepancies to report, please do so ASAP. Otherwise, here are the playoff matchups:
Championship bracket Challenger (1) vs Guru (8) Leggestand (4) vs GoatLocker (5)
Ender (3) vs Motley (6) Taxman (2) vs Sludge (7)
Subsequent rounds of the Championship bracket will not be reseeded.
Consolation bracket Perm Dude (1) vs Mike V (6) TB (2) vs cEHp (5) deepsnapper (3) vs culdeus (4)
The losing team with the most points in the first round of the Consolation bracket will advance to the second round, along with the 3 winners. The second round will then be reseeded (based upon the original seedings).
188
leggestand Leader
ID: 451036518 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 08:51
Well Goat, Alexander didn't get the 23 points I hoped for, but Hasselbeck and PD pulled a shocking comeback to knock me into 4th. Feel free to take it out on me this weekend...Looking forward to the matchup and it should be a good one.
189
Motley Crue Leader
ID: 439372011 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 08:54
legge, I'm glad I'm not playing you. Your team has been scoring almost as many points as mine lately. That Gonzalez-Porter/Price trade was a boon.
190
Guru
ID: 330592710 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 15:18
I just put Moe Williams back on Ender's team, and removed Ayodele.
I also eliminated the ability of any team to add a free agent. All adds may now be done only via the claiming system. Claims will be processed at noon on Thursday, Saturday, and Sunday, but you may only drop a TE, PK, or IDP who is designated "Questionable" or lower, and then you may only pick up a replacement for that position.
Hopefully, I made all the changes correctly, and they'll work as intended.
191
GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 16:11
leggestand, Yep, saw it coming as the game unfurled. And just think, if I'd have played Volek and Bennett, it would not have even been close. Oh well, need to do it the hard way now.
Best Of Luck this week.
Cliff
192
TB Leader
ID: 031811922 Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 01:34
After Week One. 6 Teams Made Claims
Week Six, 6 Teams
Mötley Crüe
Drop: WR Charles Rogers
TB
Drop: LB Antonio Pierce
Add: WR Cedrick Wilson
Add: DB Jerry Azumah
2
TB
Drop: RB Richie Anderson
2
Leggo my Ego
Drop: DL Dwight Freeney
Add: WR Michael Clayton(r)
Add: WR Keenan McCardell
3
Ender
Drop: TE Jim Kleinsasser
3
RotoGuru.com
Drop: RB Chad Morton
Add: TE Eric Johnson
Add: Def Rams, Team Defense
4
Leggo my Ego
Drop: LB Chris Draft
4
GoatLockers Bruisers
Drop: WR Tyrone Calico
Add: LB Derek M. Smith
Add: DB Adrian Wilson
5
Sludge
Drop: Def Jaguars, Team Defense
5
Ender
Drop: WR Randy Hymes
Add: RB ReShard Lee(r)
Add: WR Jerry Rice
6
Challenger
Drop: WR Ike Hilliard
6
Challenger
Drop: LB Jay Foreman
Add: RB Dominic Rhodes
Add: DL Marques Douglas
7
TB
Drop: WR Joey Galloway
7
TB
Drop: LB Travian Smith
Add: LB Travian Smith
Add: LB Danny IV Clark
Week Two, 8 Teams
8
RotoGuru.com
Drop: PK Kris Brown
Flower Mound Cowboys
Drop: DB Sean Taylor(r)
Add: PK Nate Kaeding(r)
Add: RB Aaron Stecker
Week Seven, 9 Teams
2
Dilligads
Drop: WR Michael Jenkins(r)
TB
Drop: TE Courtney Anderson
Add: WR Reche Caldwell
Add: TE Stephen Alexander
3
Leggo my Ego
Drop: RB Ladell Betts
2
Mötley Crüe
Drop: RB Justin Fargas
Add: RB Dorsey Levens
Add: PK Kris Brown
4
TB
Drop: WR Steve Smith
3
Leggo my Ego
Drop: WR Kelly Campbell
Add: RB Jamal Robertson
Add: LB David Thornton
5
GoatLockers Bruisers
Drop: TE Kellen Winslow(r)
4
Culdeus
Drop: Def Cowboys, Team Defense
Add: DL Patrick Kerney
Add: Def Bengals, Team Defense
6
RotoGuru.com
Drop: LB Sam Cowart
5
Flower Mound Cowboys
Drop: RB Ron Dayne
Add: TE Chad Lewis
Add: RB T.J. Duckett
7
Sludge
Drop: RB ReShard Lee(r)
6
RotoGuru.com
Drop: DB Michael Green
Add: RB Derrick Blaylock
Add: DB Allen Rossum
8
Challenger
Drop: QB Mark Brunell
7
GoatLockers Bruisers
Drop: RB Shawn Bryson
Add: QB Vinny Testaverde
Add: QB Billy Volek
9
Dilligads
Drop: RB Julius Jones(r)
8
Challenger
Drop: Def Browns, Team Defense
Add: RB Justin Griffith
Add: Def Texans, Team Defense
10
TB
Drop: LB Cato June
9
Tax Returns
Drop: Def Bears, Team Defense
Add: RB Michael Pittman
Add: Def Vikings, Team Defense
11
RotoGuru.com
Drop: Def Jets, Team Defense
10
Tax Returns
Drop: WR Doug Gabriel
Add: DB Jay Bellamy
Add: DB Antoine Winfield
12
Sludge
Drop: LB Michael Barrow
Week Eight, 4 Teams
Add: PK Morten Andersen
Mötley Crüe
Drop: Def Jaguars, Team Defense
13
TB
Drop: LB Jay Foreman
Add: Def Saints, Team Defense
Add: PK Phil Dawson
2
TB
Drop: WR TJ Houshmandzadeh
14
Sludge
Drop: DL Shaun Ellis
Add: QB Mark Brunell
Add: DL Tyler Brayton
3
Leggo my Ego
Drop: WR Ike Hilliard
15
Sludge
Drop: LB D.J. Williams(r)
Add: LB Andra R. Davis
Add: LB Monty Beisel
4
GoatLockers Bruisers
Drop: TE Jermaine Wiggins
Week Three, 13 Teams
Add: WR Joey Galloway
Mötley Crüe
Drop: WR Steve Smith
5
Mötley Crüe
Drop: PK Kris Brown
Add: QB Kerry Collins
Add: TE Marcus Pollard
2
Dilligads
Drop: RB T.J. Duckett
6
TB
Drop: DL Aaron Schobel
Add: RB Richie Anderson
Add: LB Jay Foreman
3
TB
Drop: PK Phil Dawson
7
TB
Drop: Def 49ers, Team Defense
Add: WR TJ Houshmandzadeh
Add: Def Browns, Team Defense
4
Flower Mound Cowboys
Drop: DB Michael Green
Week Nine, 6 Teams
Add: QB Mark Brunell
Mötley Crüe
Drop: LB Chad E. Brown
5
Leggo my Ego
Drop: RB Dorsey Levens
Add: QB Joshua McCown
Add: RB Leonard Henry
2
TB
Drop: TE Stephen Alexander
6
Culdeus
Drop: TE Marcus Pollard
Add: TE Jermaine Wiggins
Add: DL Brady M. Smith
3
Culdeus
Drop: Def Raiders, Team Defense
7
Ender
Drop: RB Jerome Bettis
Add: WR Travis Taylor
Add: PK Shayne Graham
4
RotoGuru.com
Drop: DB Adrian Wilson
8
RotoGuru.com
Drop: LB Dat Nguyen
Add: DB Allen Rossum
Add: RB Jonathan Wells
5
Challenger
Drop: RB Joey Harris
9
CEHP
Drop: QB Rex Grossman
Add: TE Chad Lewis
Add: QB Philip Rivers(r)
6
Ender
Drop: DL Michael Strahan
10
GoatLockers Bruisers
Drop: RB Charlie Garner
Add: DL Jevon Kearse
Add: RB Shawn Bryson
7
TB
Drop: LB Danny IV Clark
11
Tax Returns
Drop: TE Jermaine Wiggins
Add: DB Jerry Azumah
Add: TE Chris Baker
8
RotoGuru.com
Drop: PK Nate Kaeding(r)
12
Sludge
Drop: RB Derrick Blaylock
Add: PK Kris Brown
Add: Def Lions, Team Defense
9
Challenger
Drop: LB Earl Holmes
13
Challenger
Drop: QB Eli Manning(r)
Add: WR Jerome Pathon
Add: WR Tim Carter
10
RotoGuru.com
Drop: DL Jayson P. Taylor
14
Dilligads
Drop: WR Kevin Johnson
Add: DL Alex Brown
Add: WR Tim Dwight
11
RotoGuru.com
Drop: WR Eddie Drummond
15
TB
Drop: QB Rich Gannon
Add: Def Saints, Team Defense
Add: WR Michael Lewis
Week Ten, 6 Teams
16
Flower Mound Cowboys
Drop: Def Packers, Team Defense
Mötley Crüe
Drop: TE Marcus Pollard
Add: Def Jets, Team Defense
Add: DB Edward Reed
17
Culdeus
Drop: RB Lamar Gordon
2
TB
Drop: QB Drew Bledsoe
Add: RB Artose Pinner
Add: LB Cato June
18
GoatLockers Bruisers
Drop: DL Aaron Schobel
3
Leggo my Ego
Drop: LB David Thornton
Add: WR Ernest Wilford(r)
Add: RB Jamal Robertson
19
Tax Returns
Drop: DL Bryce Fisher
4
RotoGuru.com
Drop: RB Kevin Faulk
Add: DL Jevon Kearse
Add: WR Eddie Drummond
Week Four, 8 Teams
5
Challenger
Drop: TE Chad Lewis
Mötley Crüe
Drop: DB Adam Archuleta
Add: QB Eli Manning(r)
Add: DB Terrence McGee
6
Tax Returns
Drop: Def Texans, Team Defense
2
Leggo my Ego
Drop: RB Reno Mahe
Add: Def Dolphins, Team Defense
Add: WR Curtis Conway
7
Mötley Crüe
Drop: QB Joshua McCown
3
Dilligads
Drop: Def 49ers, Team Defense
Add: PK Nate Kaeding(r)
Add: Def Cardinals, Team Defense
8
Leggo my Ego
Drop: Def Chiefs, Team Defense
4
Flower Mound Cowboys
Drop: TE Jeb Putzier
Add: QB Patrick Ramsey
Add: WR David Patten
9
Tax Returns
Drop: DB Kevin Kaesviharn
5
Culdeus
Drop: QB Ken Dorsey
Add: LB Jamie Winborn
Add: RB Jerome Bettis
Week Eleven, 6 Teams
6
RotoGuru.com
Drop: QB Joshua McCown
TB
Drop: LB Cato June
Add: RB B.J. Sams
Add: RB Chester Taylor
7
Tax Returns
Drop: Def Cowboys, Team Defense
2
Mötley Crüe
Drop: RB Travis Henry
Add: QB Doug Pederson
Add: RB Nick Goings
8
Challenger
Drop: WR Tim Carter
3
Leggo my Ego
Drop: RB Jamal Robertson
Add: RB Mewelde Moore(r)
Add: QB Drew Bledsoe
9
Mötley Crüe
Drop: RB Willis McGahee
4
RotoGuru.com
Drop: TE Jerramy Stevens
Add: RB Chester Taylor
Add: TE Marcus Pollard
10
RotoGuru.com
Drop: TE Chad Lewis
5
Tax Returns
Drop: LB Jamie Winborn
Add: TE Marcus Pollard
Add: WR Joe Jurevicius
11
Tax Returns
Drop: DL Jevon Kearse
6
Challenger
Drop: RB Brad Hoover
Add: DL Greg Ellis
Add: RB Walter C. Williams
12
RotoGuru.com
Drop: PK Lawrence Tynes
7
Challenger
Drop: DL Kevin Williams
Add: PK Kris Brown
Add: DL Justin Smith
Week Five, 8 Teams
8
Challenger
Drop: WR Jerome Pathon
TB
Drop: WR Eric Parker
Add: WR Jerry Rice
Add: RB Reuben Droughns
9
Challenger
Drop: PK Steve Christie
2
Mötley Crüe
Drop: PK Doug Brien
Add: PK Jeff Reed
Add: PK Phil Dawson
Week Twelve, 4 Teams
3
Leggo my Ego
Drop: Def Saints, Team Defense
Mötley Crüe
Drop: QB Shaun King
Add: WR Andre Davis
Add: RB Maurice Hicks
4
Flower Mound Cowboys
Drop: QB Mark Brunell
2
RotoGuru.com
Drop: WR Eddie Drummond
Add: TE Ken Dilger
Add: Def Vikings, Team Defense
5
RotoGuru.com
Drop: TE Billy Miller
3
Leggo my Ego
Drop: QB Patrick Ramsey
Add: TE Jerramy Stevens
Add: WR TJ Houshmandzadeh
6
GoatLockers Bruisers
Drop: WR Ernest Wilford(r)
4
Challenger
Drop: RB Walter C. Williams
Add: TE Jermaine Wiggins
Add: RB Ladell Betts
7
Challenger
Drop: DL Kelly Gregg
5
Leggo my Ego
Drop: LB Andra R. Davis
Add: LB Jay Foreman
Add: LB Derek M. Smith
8
Tax Returns
Drop: QB Craig Nall
6
Challenger
Drop: TE Jeb Putzier
Add: QB Brian Griese
Add: TE Erron Kinney
9
TB
Drop: TE Kris Mangum
7
Challenger
Drop: WR Jerry Rice
Add: TE Courtney Anderson
Add: WR Todd Pinkston
10
Mötley Crüe
Drop: DL Simeon Rice
Add: DL John Abraham
11
RotoGuru.com
Drop: DB Jay Bellamy
Add: RB Mike Green
12
Challenger
Drop: RB Najeh Davenport
Add: RB Antowain Smith
13
Tax Returns
Drop: PK Mike Vanderjagt
Add: PK Lawrence Tynes
14
Tax Returns
Drop: Def Steelers, Team Defense
Add: Def Bears, Team Defense
15
Tax Returns
Drop: LB David Thornton
Add: LB Junior Seau
193
TB Leader
ID: 031811922 Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 02:06
I stuck this sheet in here because there is a lot of discussion going on in the Retrospective Thread and I didn't want to fill it with my view. Sorry a few names are not the same color as the others, but at first I was going to highlight all the injured players one color and the "stud" pick-ups another color, but then realized it was getting pretty late. Somehow, I didn't put them back into the right color.
Culdeus, you only made a couple claims all year and I will leave it at that. Plenty of players were available and many teams never worked the waiver wire.
I grabbed Clayton after Galloway and Smith were hurt in week one. Clayton had 7 catches for 53 yards in week one. I snagged Pittman in week 2 even though I knew he was suspended until after week three. I would have prefferred Stecker, with Deuce being hurt, but he was already taken. My only "welfare pick, was Droughns in week five and IIRC was sitting second from last at the time.
Significant picks I see from claims: Week one: Clayton and Johnson. Johnson had a great week one and continued to be a top 6ish TE all year. Clayton was a lucky grab for me because of the Galloway injury. Had I not claimed him, I doubt he was on anyone else's radar with only 6 teams making claims and none after me picking up a WR. Week two: Stecker, Caldwell, Blaylock, Testeverde, and Pittman. Stecker was a good fill-in while Deuce was hot. Caldwell was hot until he got hurt. Blaylock filled in nice for Holmes, but later in the season. Vinny put up some good numbers for a bit. Pittman was taken with my second claim so everyone had the chance to grab him with their first claim or prior. Week three: Lions D, taken with the 12th claim Week four: McGee, Cards D, Bettis, BJ Sams, Moore, and Taylor. Okay, the season is four weeks old and the highest scoring DB is still a free agent in McGee. Cards D played great first 8-9 weeks. Bettis put together some good games with Staley being hurt. Sams was a returning machine till he was hurt. Mewelde Moore was snagged by Challenger with the 8th claim and the last of the first round of claims. Taylor was taken in the next batch. Week five: Droughns, Wiggins, and Bears D. I already talked about Droughns, but it is the first real "welfare: pick of the season and it's week five. Later traded for a better D. Wiggin was grabbed by Cliff with the 6th claim and I know he was at or near the top of the standings. He was later dropped and picked up by me. Bears D was Donny's third claim of the week. Week six: None. I would say Azumah, but I released him and picked him up a week or two later. He had only played one game all season up to that point and I didn't think he was on anyone's radar. Week seven-ten and twelve: None. No significant pick-ups, especially for players who hadn't already been on at least one team and waived. Week eleven: Goings and maybe Taylor (who I originally drafted). Both filled in well for injuries and both had been free agents the week before.
The more I analyze this the more I realize two things; 1) Some teams did not use claims to help themselves as much as others did and not because of where they made claims from. 2) Our waiver system was just fine
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TB Leader
ID: 031811922 Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 02:23
Some final numbers to add. These are the waiver claims completed by team through week 12. TB- 19 Challenger- 18 Guru- 18 MC- 14 Legge- 13 Taxman- 13 Goatlocker- 7 Deepsnapper- 6 Sludge- 6 Culdeus- 5 Dilligads- 5 Ender- 4 CEHP- 1 PD- None
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Taxman SuperDude
ID: 029463114 Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 02:37
TB...Excellent spread sheet. The sheet I prepared "blew up" (size wise) when I posted, but from your data, let's make the following observations.
The teams making Champ playoffs stayed very active (over 12 with most picks in mid to late rounds). Exceptions were Sludge, Goatlocker and Ender with 6, 6 and 4 respectfully. TB was the only non qualifier to make more than 6 picks.
I have to agree with TB's assessment. The weekly order set by weekly standings seemed to work very well for the players that chose to use it.
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TB Leader
ID: 031811922 Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 02:58
Glad someone else posted because I am going to post another table. This one is all of the free agent adds for the season. Two columns. One is by team and the other is just an alphabetical listing of each player added. McGahee was dropped and picked up twice by MC, so not a typo (or copyo and pasto). Table will be in next post.
In recognition of his contributions to my RIFC team for this season, Deuce McAllister is being rewarded by being able to observe the play-offs from my bench. If I could go back in time and make just one different decision for this season, it would have been to select the 10th pick over the 3rd pick in our draft. Good luck to those teams competing for the Championship.
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Sludge
ID: 571125720 Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 02:35
Being a Saints fan makes it so damn easy to be a good prognosticator.
From the first draft rationales thread:
Oh, and TB, you're forgetting about one minor detail: Deuce plays for the Saints.
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Motley Crue
ID: 181650 Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 09:28
Since this thread is the RIFC Regular Season Discussion #2, should we start a RIFC Playoff Discussion thread?
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TB Leader
ID: 031811922 Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 12:10
I suppose we should, but I am baffled that the posting of the actual waiver claims killed that discussion. I guess when you stop and look at the actual names and numbers, the "welfare" side no longer had an arguement.
Sludge, sorry to hex your team. Had I not drafted Deuce, I am sure he would have ran for 1900 yards this year. =)
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leggestand
ID: 56811718 Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 13:00
Ha! TB, the welfare side will always have a case! I think your numbers make sense, but I still think I am partially right :)
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TB Leader
ID: 031811922 Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 13:44
I just didn't see it in our league this year. Even when I got Droughns, nine teams had made claims since my last claim. I am not opposed to maintaining an order for EVERY claim, but I do not like how a team can sit at the top of waivers all year, especially when they have the best record, have had no significant injuries, and the best team gets better when a Droughns or Goings emerges. Somebody has to have the best draft and someone else is going to have the worst. Regardless of how well you prepare, there is quite a bit of luck involved. It seems like the best way to keep the league competitive.
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 14:13
In the long run, I was happy with the way waivers worked out. I think we accomplished what we were trying to from the beginning.
My gut feel is to leave it the way it is.
Cliff
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