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0 Subject: RIFC Regular Season Discussion #2

Posted by: Ender
- [0442215] Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 21:51

Perhaps a new thread will spark new discussion. I anticipated more banter than we have had. I'm not sure the forum in general is even following the league.

I squeaked one out this week against leggestand. Dillon really hurt me as I didn't have anyone to start in his place. Rattay also almost cost me, but I had warning on that and was able to pickup Bledsoe as bandaid. Fortunately Martin was just good enough Monday night before getting yanked.

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155Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:17
Essentially, your roster is not locked for the playoffs until it is locked for this weekend. After this weekend, the only add/drop moves that can be made are those related to injuries at those positions listed.
156Motley Crue
      ID: 181650
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:26
OK, but Moe Williams should have been frozen when Ender made that move, no? 5:55 EST. The Minnesota game was over at that point.
157Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:50
I'm surprised the system allows us to drop a frozen player. I thought that once a player was frozen, he could not be dropped. Evidently that limitation only applies to adds. Hmmm...

In that case, Ender's move was not permitted after all, and I'll have to reverse it. Testaverde can still be added, but Williams cannot be the player dropped.

158Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:54
I just reread the Fanball rules for add/drops, and I still don't understand why the system allowed that transaction. It appears to me that it should have been blocked.
159Sludge
      ID: 48955820
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:54
Pathetic!

As it stands now, it looks like the #6 spot will be between Rotoguru and MC, and whoever loses the tie-breaker will certainly get the #7 spot. To get the #8 spot, I need Jimmy Smith's score minus Darrell Jackson's score to fail to exceed 20.9. I'm almost embarrased to still have a good shot at making the playoffs. I didn't think that Favre or Green would get many points, but I didn't expect that brutal a drubbing. I was aiming for 90 points; I thought that was not only possible but probable. Boy was I wrong.
160TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:02
I looked at the scoring a couple times today. I think I am the odd man out, Sludge. Would have been easier to stomach had the Raiders hung on today. Disappointing season all around for me.
161Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:05
Ender - if you want Vinny, you can still drop an unfrozen player to pick him up. Please send me an email, or post your intention here.

I tried to reverse your move, but for some reason I can't locate Moe Williams!
162Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:14
I don't know if Ender is still alert or not, but in case he misses the fact that his earlier move should have been invalid, I'll allow him the option to drop Ayodele even if he misses tonight's game freeze. Ayodele is on his bench anyway, and he has a surplus of IDPs, so that would seem to be his best legal move to make if he wants to add Testaverde.

Meanwhile, I filed a trouble ticket with Fanball to find out why the system allowed Moe Williams to be dropped after he was frozen for the weekend.
163Sludge
      ID: 48955820
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:15
In all likelihood, TB, yes. But Jimmy Smith can go off at any time. Darrell Jackson has been a serious dissapointment all year for me. It's not out of the range of what is possible, by any stretch of the imagination.
164Sludge
      ID: 48955820
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:16
Either way, though, a monster game by Jimmy Smith will go a long way to helping me lock up a playoff spot in another league. The worst that can happen, however, is that Smith has a monster game but it's still not enough to help me in my other league. Guess which scenario I'm thinking is going to happen?
165Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:30
BTW, Motley, the live scoring page is missing 6 points for the TD return by McGee. If they don't pick it up by Tuesday, I'll have to add it in manually. I doubt if it will make any difference in the final standings, however. It looks like you have the 6th playoff slot under control.
166Motley Crue
      ID: 181650
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 21:36
With a moment to reflect now, I am very disappointed that I started off this season so poorly (1-7). It made me lose interest in everything that was going on except my own team. So I have really missed out on many of the exciting things that have happened this season in this league. I'm sure there have been many great games, some close ones, and a few epic ones. After my poor start, I concentrated solely on getting good players from the waiver pool and ignored pretty much everything else. As recently as last week I was feeling so disappointed about not qualifying to play in this league again next season. I hope that my comeback performance has earned an invitation. The draft in this league was the best I've ever been involved with. I look forward to the Playoffs, but also to competing in such a great league on a yearly basis from now on.

//MC
167Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 23:09
MC, WOW! What a marvelous afternoon you had today. If your team performs in the playoffs as it did today, there will not be any question of your return next year. This is the second week in a row I've run into the "hot" RIFC hand. I hope it's out of my system now.

About your poor start and the waiver pool, with out the former, you efforts in the latter would have been less productive.

168Ender
      ID: 391134322
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 23:36
I'm sorry I was out until now :( I assumed that since the site allowed the drop portion it was legal from that standpoint. I'd be willing drop Ayodele to make it legal.

I apologize for all the confusion. I tried to read everything thoroughly before I made the move, but was thrown by the week 13/14 thing. I could have saved all of this by dropping Ayodele to begin with.
169Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 23:42
No problem, Ender. I'm surprised the site allowed that to go through as well.

I'll swap out Ayodele and put back Moe Williams. I may have to wait for Williams to clear waivers before I can do it, however. For some reason, I can't seem to access players who are currently on waivers.
170Ender
      ID: 391134322
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 23:54
Thanks, Guru.

Hopefully Bulger will be fine and I waon't even need Vinny then the whole issue will be moot :)

171Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 10:39
Barring some really unusual scoring adjustments or MNF results, this looks like it will be the playoff seedings:

1 Challenger (20-6)
2 Taxman (18-8)
3 Ender (17-9)
4 GoatLocker (16-10)
5 Leggestand (16-10)
6 Motley Crue (14-12, 2811)
7 Guru (14-12, 2766)
8 Sludge (12-14, 2738+D.Jackson)

GoatLocker wins the point tiebreaker over leggestand, since they split head-to-head.

Motley Crue wins the point tiebreaker over Guru, since they split head-to-head.

The 7th and 8th spots are based solely on points. If Darrell Jackson gets about 14 or more tonight, Sludge will overtake Guru for the 7th slot. Otherwise, Guru will outpoint Sludge. Regardless, Sludge is assured of no worse than 8th, since he is already ahead of TB, who has no players left to produce this weekend.

Did I do the math right this time, Sludge?

The Championship bracket will be a 3 week, single elimination tournament with no reseeding.

The Consolation bracket will also be a 3 week tournament. Teams will be seeded based on W/L record, using points as a tiebreaker. The 3 first round winners and the top first round loser (from within the bracket) will advance to round 2. The second round will be reseeded.
172leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 11:19
I need Alexander to give 26 points tonight to overtake Goatlocker, and playing the Cowboys, this is a possibility. I want the coveted 4th spot to get the automatic invite to next season.

Ender, good luck taking out MC's frieght train next week...
173Ender
      Donor
      ID: 013443221
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 12:46
No kidding. I sure hope Bulger does play, I'll need all the help I can get.

Of course there's the line of thought that says he's used up an awful lot of his points already, he can't keep it up, he's due for a bad week, he'll regress to the mean, etc...
174Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 13:25
Oddly, I got a response from Fanball that says that frozen bench players can be dropped (after they are frozen). Doesn't that seem odd? Essentially, you could always pick up any MNF football player on Monday by dropping a frozen bench player.

As far as I can tell, there is no automated way to limit this type of move (other than by Commissioner fiat).

It becomes rather moot for the rest of this season, given our upcoming player restrictions. But, for future reference, does anyone think that it should be proper to be able to drop a frozen bench player in order to add an unfrozen player? Am I simply wrong about this?
175Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 14:03
To elaborate, if frozen bench players can be dropped, you would have the option to move a newly injured bench player before the next claiming period, as long as you can pick up someone who is not yet frozen.

Example: Suppose you had Bulger on your bench yesterday. He gets injured early in the game. Assume that the injury is severe enough that you think he's out for the rest of the year. Under the Fanball rule, you could immediately drop him and immediately add any player whose game had not yet started.

It seems like this partially circumvents the claiming process. It doesn't allow you (or anyone) the ability to immediately claim the injured player's replacement (e.g., Chandler), since that replacement would already be frozen. But it does allow you a chance to grab an unfrozen player (e.g., Testaverde).
176Ender
      Donor
      ID: 013443221
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 14:57
That's a bit of a head scratcher.

Let me ask this, what advantage does the person dropping the player gain? What opportunity does he have that no one else has?

It seems to me that it is not affecting the frozen roster. I'd also say that anyone else in the league has the same opportunity to pick up an unfrozen player.

It does seem a bit odd, but I don't know that it creates an unfair advantage for the owner making the claim.
177Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 15:49
I guess it doesn't give the dropping manager an unfair advantage, insofar as other managers will also have frozen bench players that they can drop.

It just seems odd that frozen bench players should be treated differently than frozen active players. Frozen active players who get injured must wait until the following week to be replaced(for good reason, of course). Frozen bench players who are injured can be immediately replaced. This just seems contrary to the general concept of a weekly prioritized claiming system.

Frankly, if I had understood this to be the rule (assuming we had agreed that this was an appropriate rule), there might have been times that I would have managed a bit differently. For example, last week I dropped someone (I forget who) in advance of the Sunday games in order to add Shaun McDonald, just in case Torry Holt turned out to be inactive on Monday. I figured that if I waited until Monday to get the final word on Holt, the only player I'd have available to drop would be Holt - and that would have been a Hobson's choice. But, if I knew that I could drop any frozen bench player right up until the Monday night game time, I might have retained the original bench player.

I must confess I never noticed if anyone dropped a frozen bench player at any time this season. The only time I noticed late transactions, the dropped player was still unfrozen, and I simply assumed that this was by necessity.

That's why, when Ender mentioned his latest swap, I simply assumed that the dropped player was still unfrozen, without even thinking about who it was.
178leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 16:49
Adjustments made to GoatLocker's score...now Alexander only needs 23.2 points tonight to vault me into the coveted 4th spot.

As for the issue at hand, Fanball's allowance of this makes no sense to me. Although everyone has the ability to do this, I think that once a player's team has played, he is frozen, whether he is on the bench or starting.
179GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 18:45
Legge,
You didn't hear, Alexander is in Holgrem's doghouse and not playing tonite.

I wish.

Well, maybe he'll only get 23.18 points.

Cliff
180Ender
      ID: 391134322
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 19:54
Sounds like Bulger will be out this week :(

Perhaps Dillon will run rough-shod all over his former team and score enough for he and Bulger combined.
181Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 22:44
Looks like Darrell Jackson will push Sludge up to 7th place, and the right to face Peyton Manning next week. I'll get the 8th slot and the right to face Donovan McNabb.

182Sludge
      ID: 48955820
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 23:20
I'm giddy with joy, Guru. Absolutely ecstatic.
183Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 00:00
Is that because you look forward to facing Peyton, or simply because I did the math right?
184TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 00:04
Lol
185Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 01:15
That last td by Alexander (plus the Hail Mary that went off Engram's helmet) kept me from going 2-0. Might even have finally eliminated me from the playoffs, though I think I would have lost the first tiebreaker of PF.
186Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 08:37
Re: 178, I totally agree. It's stupid and it shouldn't be that way. I think Fanball has some loose ends to tie up for next year's version. I realize we have a few unusual scoring aspects, but if they are going to cater a fully customizable league, they need to get with it and quit having these kinds of lame idiosynchracies.
187Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 08:49
If there are any scoring discrepancies to report, please do so ASAP. Otherwise, here are the playoff matchups:

Championship bracket
Challenger (1) vs Guru (8)
Leggestand (4) vs GoatLocker (5)

Ender (3) vs Motley (6)
Taxman (2) vs Sludge (7)

Subsequent rounds of the Championship bracket will not be reseeded.


Consolation bracket
Perm Dude (1) vs Mike V (6)
TB (2) vs cEHp (5)
deepsnapper (3) vs culdeus (4)

The losing team with the most points in the first round of the Consolation bracket will advance to the second round, along with the 3 winners. The second round will then be reseeded (based upon the original seedings).


188leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 08:51
Well Goat, Alexander didn't get the 23 points I hoped for, but Hasselbeck and PD pulled a shocking comeback to knock me into 4th. Feel free to take it out on me this weekend...Looking forward to the matchup and it should be a good one.
189Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 08:54
legge, I'm glad I'm not playing you. Your team has been scoring almost as many points as mine lately. That Gonzalez-Porter/Price trade was a boon.
190Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 15:18
I just put Moe Williams back on Ender's team, and removed Ayodele.

I also eliminated the ability of any team to add a free agent. All adds may now be done only via the claiming system. Claims will be processed at noon on Thursday, Saturday, and Sunday, but you may only drop a TE, PK, or IDP who is designated "Questionable" or lower, and then you may only pick up a replacement for that position.

Hopefully, I made all the changes correctly, and they'll work as intended.

191GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 16:11
leggestand,
Yep, saw it coming as the game unfurled.
And just think, if I'd have played Volek and Bennett, it would not have even been close.
Oh well, need to do it the hard way now.

Best Of Luck this week.

Cliff
192TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 01:34
After Week One. 6 Teams Made Claims Week Six, 6 Teams 
Mötley Crüe Drop: WR Charles Rogers TB Drop: LB Antonio Pierce
Add:   WR Cedrick Wilson Add:   DB Jerry Azumah
TB Drop: RB Richie Anderson Leggo my Ego Drop: DL Dwight Freeney
Add:   WR Michael Clayton(r) Add:   WR Keenan McCardell
Ender Drop: TE Jim Kleinsasser RotoGuru.com Drop: RB Chad Morton
Add:   TE Eric Johnson Add:   Def Rams, Team Defense
Leggo my Ego Drop: LB Chris Draft GoatLockers Bruisers Drop: WR Tyrone Calico
Add:   LB Derek M. Smith Add:   DB Adrian Wilson
Sludge Drop: Def Jaguars, Team Defense Ender Drop: WR Randy Hymes
Add:   RB ReShard Lee(r) Add:   WR Jerry Rice
Challenger Drop: WR Ike Hilliard Challenger Drop: LB Jay Foreman
Add:   RB Dominic Rhodes Add:   DL Marques Douglas
TB Drop: WR Joey Galloway TB Drop: LB Travian Smith
Add:   LB Travian Smith Add:   LB Danny IV Clark
Week Two, 8 Teams  RotoGuru.com Drop: PK Kris Brown
Flower Mound Cowboys Drop: DB Sean Taylor(r) Add:   PK Nate Kaeding(r)
Add:   RB Aaron Stecker Week Seven, 9 Teams 
Dilligads Drop: WR Michael Jenkins(r)
TB Drop: TE Courtney Anderson
Add:   WR Reche Caldwell Add:   TE Stephen Alexander
Leggo my Ego Drop: RB Ladell Betts Mötley Crüe Drop: RB Justin Fargas
Add:   RB Dorsey Levens Add:   PK Kris Brown
TB Drop: WR Steve Smith Leggo my Ego Drop: WR Kelly Campbell
Add:   RB Jamal Robertson Add:   LB David Thornton
GoatLockers Bruisers Drop: TE Kellen Winslow(r) Culdeus Drop: Def Cowboys, Team Defense
Add:   DL Patrick Kerney Add:   Def Bengals, Team Defense
RotoGuru.com Drop: LB Sam Cowart Flower Mound Cowboys Drop: RB Ron Dayne
Add:   TE Chad Lewis Add:   RB T.J. Duckett
Sludge Drop: RB ReShard Lee(r) RotoGuru.com Drop: DB Michael Green
Add:   RB Derrick Blaylock Add:   DB Allen Rossum
Challenger Drop: QB Mark Brunell GoatLockers Bruisers Drop: RB Shawn Bryson
Add:   QB Vinny Testaverde Add:   QB Billy Volek
Dilligads Drop: RB Julius Jones(r) Challenger Drop: Def Browns, Team Defense
Add:   RB Justin Griffith Add:   Def Texans, Team Defense
10  TB Drop: LB Cato June Tax Returns Drop: Def Bears, Team Defense
Add:   RB Michael Pittman Add:   Def Vikings, Team Defense
11  RotoGuru.com Drop: Def Jets, Team Defense 10  Tax Returns Drop: WR Doug Gabriel
Add:   DB Jay Bellamy Add:   DB Antoine Winfield
12  Sludge Drop: LB Michael Barrow Week Eight, 4 Teams 
Add:   PK Morten Andersen
Mötley Crüe Drop: Def Jaguars, Team Defense
13  TB Drop: LB Jay Foreman Add:   Def Saints, Team Defense
Add:   PK Phil Dawson TB Drop: WR TJ Houshmandzadeh
14  Sludge Drop: DL Shaun Ellis Add:   QB Mark Brunell
Add:   DL Tyler Brayton Leggo my Ego Drop: WR Ike Hilliard
15  Sludge Drop: LB D.J. Williams(r) Add:   LB Andra R. Davis
Add:   LB Monty Beisel GoatLockers Bruisers Drop: TE Jermaine Wiggins
Week Three, 13 Teams  Add:   WR Joey Galloway
Mötley Crüe Drop: WR Steve Smith Mötley Crüe Drop: PK Kris Brown
Add:   QB Kerry Collins Add:   TE Marcus Pollard
Dilligads Drop: RB T.J. Duckett TB Drop: DL Aaron Schobel
Add:   RB Richie Anderson Add:   LB Jay Foreman
TB Drop: PK Phil Dawson TB Drop: Def 49ers, Team Defense
Add:   WR TJ Houshmandzadeh Add:   Def Browns, Team Defense
Flower Mound Cowboys Drop: DB Michael Green Week Nine, 6 Teams 
Add:   QB Mark Brunell
Mötley Crüe Drop: LB Chad E. Brown
Leggo my Ego Drop: RB Dorsey Levens Add:   QB Joshua McCown
Add:   RB Leonard Henry TB Drop: TE Stephen Alexander
Culdeus Drop: TE Marcus Pollard Add:   TE Jermaine Wiggins
Add:   DL Brady M. Smith Culdeus Drop: Def Raiders, Team Defense
Ender Drop: RB Jerome Bettis Add:   WR Travis Taylor
Add:   PK Shayne Graham RotoGuru.com Drop: DB Adrian Wilson
RotoGuru.com Drop: LB Dat Nguyen Add:   DB Allen Rossum
Add:   RB Jonathan Wells Challenger Drop: RB Joey Harris
CEHP Drop: QB Rex Grossman Add:   TE Chad Lewis
Add:   QB Philip Rivers(r) Ender Drop: DL Michael Strahan
10  GoatLockers Bruisers Drop: RB Charlie Garner Add:   DL Jevon Kearse
Add:   RB Shawn Bryson TB Drop: LB Danny IV Clark
11  Tax Returns Drop: TE Jermaine Wiggins Add:   DB Jerry Azumah
Add:   TE Chris Baker RotoGuru.com Drop: PK Nate Kaeding(r)
12  Sludge Drop: RB Derrick Blaylock Add:   PK Kris Brown
Add:   Def Lions, Team Defense Challenger Drop: LB Earl Holmes
13  Challenger Drop: QB Eli Manning(r) Add:   WR Jerome Pathon
Add:   WR Tim Carter 10  RotoGuru.com Drop: DL Jayson P. Taylor
14  Dilligads Drop: WR Kevin Johnson Add:   DL Alex Brown
Add:   WR Tim Dwight 11  RotoGuru.com Drop: WR Eddie Drummond
15  TB Drop: QB Rich Gannon Add:   Def Saints, Team Defense
Add:   WR Michael Lewis Week Ten, 6 Teams 
16  Flower Mound Cowboys Drop: Def Packers, Team Defense
Mötley Crüe Drop: TE Marcus Pollard
Add:   Def Jets, Team Defense Add:   DB Edward Reed
17  Culdeus Drop: RB Lamar Gordon TB Drop: QB Drew Bledsoe
Add:   RB Artose Pinner Add:   LB Cato June
18  GoatLockers Bruisers Drop: DL Aaron Schobel Leggo my Ego Drop: LB David Thornton
Add:   WR Ernest Wilford(r) Add:   RB Jamal Robertson
19  Tax Returns Drop: DL Bryce Fisher RotoGuru.com Drop: RB Kevin Faulk
Add:   DL Jevon Kearse Add:   WR Eddie Drummond
Week Four, 8 Teams  Challenger Drop: TE Chad Lewis
Mötley Crüe Drop: DB Adam Archuleta Add:   QB Eli Manning(r)
Add:   DB Terrence McGee Tax Returns Drop: Def Texans, Team Defense
Leggo my Ego Drop: RB Reno Mahe Add:   Def Dolphins, Team Defense
Add:   WR Curtis Conway Mötley Crüe Drop: QB Joshua McCown
Dilligads Drop: Def 49ers, Team Defense Add:   PK Nate Kaeding(r)
Add:   Def Cardinals, Team Defense Leggo my Ego Drop: Def Chiefs, Team Defense
Flower Mound Cowboys Drop: TE Jeb Putzier Add:   QB Patrick Ramsey
Add:   WR David Patten Tax Returns Drop: DB Kevin Kaesviharn
Culdeus Drop: QB Ken Dorsey Add:   LB Jamie Winborn
Add:   RB Jerome Bettis Week Eleven, 6 Teams 
RotoGuru.com Drop: QB Joshua McCown
TB Drop: LB Cato June
Add:   RB B.J. Sams Add:   RB Chester Taylor
Tax Returns Drop: Def Cowboys, Team Defense Mötley Crüe Drop: RB Travis Henry
Add:   QB Doug Pederson Add:   RB Nick Goings
Challenger Drop: WR Tim Carter Leggo my Ego Drop: RB Jamal Robertson
Add:   RB Mewelde Moore(r) Add:   QB Drew Bledsoe
Mötley Crüe Drop: RB Willis McGahee RotoGuru.com Drop: TE Jerramy Stevens
Add:   RB Chester Taylor Add:   TE Marcus Pollard
10  RotoGuru.com Drop: TE Chad Lewis Tax Returns Drop: LB Jamie Winborn
Add:   TE Marcus Pollard Add:   WR Joe Jurevicius
11  Tax Returns Drop: DL Jevon Kearse Challenger Drop: RB Brad Hoover
Add:   DL Greg Ellis Add:   RB Walter C. Williams
12  RotoGuru.com Drop: PK Lawrence Tynes Challenger Drop: DL Kevin Williams
Add:   PK Kris Brown Add:   DL Justin Smith
Week Five, 8 Teams  Challenger Drop: WR Jerome Pathon
TB Drop: WR Eric Parker Add:   WR Jerry Rice
Add:   RB Reuben Droughns Challenger Drop: PK Steve Christie
Mötley Crüe Drop: PK Doug Brien Add:   PK Jeff Reed
Add:   PK Phil Dawson Week Twelve, 4 Teams 
Leggo my Ego Drop: Def Saints, Team Defense
Mötley Crüe Drop: QB Shaun King
Add:   WR Andre Davis Add:   RB Maurice Hicks
Flower Mound Cowboys Drop: QB Mark Brunell RotoGuru.com Drop: WR Eddie Drummond
Add:   TE Ken Dilger Add:   Def Vikings, Team Defense
RotoGuru.com Drop: TE Billy Miller Leggo my Ego Drop: QB Patrick Ramsey
Add:   TE Jerramy Stevens Add:   WR TJ Houshmandzadeh
GoatLockers Bruisers Drop: WR Ernest Wilford(r) Challenger Drop: RB Walter C. Williams
Add:   TE Jermaine Wiggins Add:   RB Ladell Betts
Challenger Drop: DL Kelly Gregg Leggo my Ego Drop: LB Andra R. Davis
Add:   LB Jay Foreman Add:   LB Derek M. Smith
Tax Returns Drop: QB Craig Nall Challenger Drop: TE Jeb Putzier
Add:   QB Brian Griese Add:   TE Erron Kinney
TB Drop: TE Kris Mangum Challenger Drop: WR Jerry Rice
Add:   TE Courtney Anderson Add:   WR Todd Pinkston
10  Mötley Crüe Drop: DL Simeon Rice
Add:   DL John Abraham
11  RotoGuru.com Drop: DB Jay Bellamy
Add:   RB Mike Green
12  Challenger Drop: RB Najeh Davenport
Add:   RB Antowain Smith
13  Tax Returns Drop: PK Mike Vanderjagt
Add:   PK Lawrence Tynes
14  Tax Returns Drop: Def Steelers, Team Defense
Add:   Def Bears, Team Defense
15  Tax Returns Drop: LB David Thornton
Add:   LB Junior Seau
193TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 02:06
I stuck this sheet in here because there is a lot of discussion going on in the Retrospective Thread and I didn't want to fill it with my view.
Sorry a few names are not the same color as the others, but at first I was going to highlight all the injured players one color and the "stud" pick-ups another color, but then realized it was getting pretty late. Somehow, I didn't put them back into the right color.

Culdeus, you only made a couple claims all year and I will leave it at that. Plenty of players were available and many teams never worked the waiver wire.

I grabbed Clayton after Galloway and Smith were hurt in week one. Clayton had 7 catches for 53 yards in week one. I snagged Pittman in week 2 even though I knew he was suspended until after week three. I would have prefferred Stecker, with Deuce being hurt, but he was already taken. My only "welfare pick, was Droughns in week five and IIRC was sitting second from last at the time.

Significant picks I see from claims:
Week one:
Clayton and Johnson. Johnson had a great week one and continued to be a top 6ish TE all year. Clayton was a lucky grab for me because of the Galloway injury. Had I not claimed him, I doubt he was on anyone else's radar with only 6 teams making claims and none after me picking up a WR.
Week two:
Stecker, Caldwell, Blaylock, Testeverde, and Pittman. Stecker was a good fill-in while Deuce was hot. Caldwell was hot until he got hurt. Blaylock filled in nice for Holmes, but later in the season. Vinny put up some good numbers for a bit. Pittman was taken with my second claim so everyone had the chance to grab him with their first claim or prior.
Week three:
Lions D, taken with the 12th claim
Week four:
McGee, Cards D, Bettis, BJ Sams, Moore, and Taylor. Okay, the season is four weeks old and the highest scoring DB is still a free agent in McGee. Cards D played great first 8-9 weeks. Bettis put together some good games with Staley being hurt. Sams was a returning machine till he was hurt. Mewelde Moore was snagged by Challenger with the 8th claim and the last of the first round of claims. Taylor was taken in the next batch.
Week five:
Droughns, Wiggins, and Bears D. I already talked about Droughns, but it is the first real "welfare: pick of the season and it's week five. Later traded for a better D. Wiggin was grabbed by Cliff with the 6th claim and I know he was at or near the top of the standings. He was later dropped and picked up by me. Bears D was Donny's third claim of the week.
Week six:
None. I would say Azumah, but I released him and picked him up a week or two later. He had only played one game all season up to that point and I didn't think he was on anyone's radar.
Week seven-ten and twelve:
None. No significant pick-ups, especially for players who hadn't already been on at least one team and waived.
Week eleven:
Goings and maybe Taylor (who I originally drafted). Both filled in well for injuries and both had been free agents the week before.


The more I analyze this the more I realize two things; 1) Some teams did not use claims to help themselves as much as others did and not because of where they made claims from. 2) Our waiver system was just fine
194TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 02:23
Some final numbers to add. These are the waiver claims completed by team through week 12.
TB- 19
Challenger- 18
Guru- 18
MC- 14
Legge- 13
Taxman- 13
Goatlocker- 7
Deepsnapper- 6
Sludge- 6
Culdeus- 5
Dilligads- 5
Ender- 4
CEHP- 1
PD- None
195Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 02:37
TB...Excellent spread sheet. The sheet I prepared "blew up" (size wise) when I posted, but from your data, let's make the following observations.

Team, # claims wks 1-6, # claims wks 7-13
Chall...6....12
Tax.....8....5
Ender...2....2
Goat....4....2
Inv@....1....0
Guru....6...10
Sludge..6....0
FlMnd...5....1
Legg....4....8
Culdeus.3....2
PD......0....0
TB......9...10
MCrue...6....8
Dilgds..5....0

The teams making Champ playoffs stayed very active (over 12 with most picks in mid to late rounds). Exceptions were Sludge, Goatlocker and Ender with 6, 6 and 4 respectfully. TB was the only non qualifier to make more than 6 picks.

I have to agree with TB's assessment. The weekly order set by weekly standings seemed to work very well for the players that chose to use it.
196TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 02:58
Glad someone else posted because I am going to post another table. This one is all of the free agent adds for the season. Two columns. One is by team and the other is just an alphabetical listing of each player added. McGahee was dropped and picked up twice by MC, so not a typo (or copyo and pasto). Table will be in next post.
197TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 02:59
Free Agent picks ups through week 12
Sorted by Team Player Sorted Alpha by Player Team
Challenger Def Browns 49ers Def TB
Challenger DL K. Gregg A. Archuleta DB Tax Returns
Challenger DL K. Williams A. Hakim WR Dilligads
Challenger LB E. Holmes A. Henry DB Perm Dudes
Challenger PK S. Christie A. Pierce LB TB
Challenger RB B. Hoover A. Schobel DL GoatLockers Bruisers
Challenger RB J. Harris A. Schobel DL TB
Challenger RB L. Betts A. Thomas RB Sludge
Challenger RB L. Johnson A. Wilson DB RotoGuru.com
Challenger RB N. Davenport A. Zereoue RB Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
Challenger TE J. Putzier B. Bennett RB Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
Challenger WR E. Parker B. Dawkins DB Flower Mound Cowboys
Challenger WR T. Taylor B. Engram WR Flower Mound Cowboys
Dilligads LB S. Foley B. Fisher DL Tax Returns
Dilligads PK J. Reed B. Forsey RB Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
Dilligads RB E. George B. Franks TE Dilligads
Dilligads TE B. Franks B. Griese QB GoatLockers Bruisers
Dilligads WR A. Hakim B. Hoover RB Challenger
Ender Def Bengals B. Johnson WR Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
Ender Def Chargers B. Lloyd WR Leggo my Ego
Ender Def Jaguars B. Miller TE RotoGuru.com
Ender DL C. Okeafor B. Roethlisberger QB Flower Mound Cowboys
Ender QB D. Bledsoe B. Sanders DB Flower Mound Cowboys
Ender QB V. Testaverde B. Simmons LB Flower Mound Cowboys
Ender RB D. Blaylock B. Stokley WR Flower Mound Cowboys
Ender TE M. Pollard Bears Def RotoGuru.com
Ender WR K. Colbert Bengals Def Ender
Ender WR R. Hymes Browns Def Challenger
Flower Mound Cowboys DB B. Dawkins Browns Def Sludge
Flower Mound Cowboys DB B. Sanders C. Brown LB Mötley Crüe
Flower Mound Cowboys DB L. Milloy C. Cooley TE Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
Flower Mound Cowboys DB M. Green C. Griffin DL Sludge
Flower Mound Cowboys DB R. Griffith C. Krenzel QB Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
Flower Mound Cowboys DB S. Taylor C. Moore WR Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
Flower Mound Cowboys DL J. Smith C. Nall QB Tax Returns
Flower Mound Cowboys DL J. Taylor C. Okeafor DL Ender
Flower Mound Cowboys DL K. Carter Chargers Def Ender
Flower Mound Cowboys DL R. Coleman Chargers Def Tax Returns
Flower Mound Cowboys LB B. Simmons Colts Def Mötley Crüe
Flower Mound Cowboys LB J. Peterson Colts Def Tax Returns
Flower Mound Cowboys LB J. Trotter Cowboys Def RotoGuru.com
Flower Mound Cowboys LB W. Witherspoon Cowboys Def Vote For Pedro (culdeus)
Flower Mound Cowboys PK J. Carney D. Blaylock RB Ender
Flower Mound Cowboys PK J. Hanson D. Bledsoe QB Ender
Flower Mound Cowboys PK J. Scobee D. Bledsoe QB TB
Flower Mound Cowboys QB B. Roethlisberger D. Brien PK Mötley Crüe
Flower Mound Cowboys QB K. Holcomb D. Gabriel WR Tax Returns
Flower Mound Cowboys RB J. Jones D. Gabriel WR TB
Flower Mound Cowboys RB M. Cloud D. Levens RB Leggo my Ego
Flower Mound Cowboys RB R. Lee D. Rhodes RB Tax Returns
Flower Mound Cowboys TE J. Putzier E. Drummond WR RotoGuru.com
Flower Mound Cowboys WR B. Engram E. George RB Dilligads
Flower Mound Cowboys WR B. Stokley E. Henderson LB GoatLockers Bruisers
Flower Mound Cowboys WR J. Jurevicius E. Holmes LB Challenger
GoatLockers Bruisers DB T. Parrish E. Parker WR Challenger
GoatLockers Bruisers DL A. Schobel G. Anderson PK Perm Dudes
GoatLockers Bruisers LB E. Henderson I. Hilliard WR Leggo my Ego
GoatLockers Bruisers PK J. Reed J. Carney PK Flower Mound Cowboys
GoatLockers Bruisers QB B. Griese J. Chatman RB GoatLockers Bruisers
GoatLockers Bruisers RB J. Chatman J. Fargas RB Mötley Crüe
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win DL J. Smith J. Fiedler QB Vote For Pedro (culdeus)
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win LB K. Dansby J. Hall DL Vote For Pedro (culdeus)
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win LB P. Tinoisamoa J. Hanson PK Flower Mound Cowboys
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win PK N. Rackers J. Harris RB Challenger
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win QB C. Krenzel J. Jones RB Flower Mound Cowboys
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win QB T. Couch J. Jurevicius WR Flower Mound Cowboys
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win RB A. Zereoue J. Morton WR Leggo my Ego
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win RB B. Bennett J. Moses WR TB
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win RB B. Forsey J. Peterson LB Flower Mound Cowboys
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win RB L. Croom J. Putzier TE Challenger
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win RB S. Mack J. Putzier TE Flower Mound Cowboys
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win TE C. Cooley J. Reed PK Dilligads
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win WR B. Johnson J. Reed PK GoatLockers Bruisers
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win WR C. Moore J. Reed WR Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win WR J. Reed J. Scobee PK Flower Mound Cowboys
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win WR T. Houshmandzadeh J. Scobee PK Tax Returns
Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win WR T. Pinkston J. Scobey RB RotoGuru.com
Leggo my Ego Def Saints J. Smith DL Flower Mound Cowboys
Leggo my Ego DL S. Rogers J. Smith DL Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
Leggo my Ego PK M. Vanderjagt J. Sowell RB Tax Returns
Leggo my Ego RB D. Levens J. Taylor DL Flower Mound Cowboys
Leggo my Ego RB T. Minor J. Trotter LB Flower Mound Cowboys
Leggo my Ego WR B. Lloyd J. Wilkins PK Tax Returns
Leggo my Ego WR I. Hilliard Jaguars Def Ender
Leggo my Ego WR J. Morton Jaguars Def Mötley Crüe
Leggo my Ego WR K. Campbell K. Campbell WR Leggo my Ego
Mötley Crüe Def Colts K. Carter DL Flower Mound Cowboys
Mötley Crüe Def Jaguars K. Colbert WR Ender
Mötley Crüe LB C. Brown K. Dansby LB Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
Mötley Crüe PK D. Brien K. Dilger TE Tax Returns
Mötley Crüe QB S. King K. Dorsey QB Vote For Pedro (culdeus)
Mötley Crüe RB J. Fargas K. Gbaja-Biamila DL Perm Dudes
Mötley Crüe RB W. McGahee K. Gregg DL Challenger
Mötley Crüe RB W. McGahee K. Holcomb QB Flower Mound Cowboys
Mötley Crüe WR S. Smith K. Kaesviharn DB Tax Returns
Perm Dudes DB A. Henry K. Mangum TE TB
Perm Dudes Def Redskins K. Williams DL Challenger
Perm Dudes DL K. Gbaja-Biamila L. Betts RB Challenger
Perm Dudes PK G. Anderson L. Briggs LB Sludge
Perm Dudes RB T. Hambrick L. Croom RB Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
Perm Dudes TE M. Schobel L. Evans WR Vote For Pedro (culdeus)
RotoGuru.com DB A. Wilson L. Johnson RB Challenger
RotoGuru.com DB M. Green L. Milloy DB Flower Mound Cowboys
RotoGuru.com Def Bears M. Cloud RB Flower Mound Cowboys
RotoGuru.com Def Cowboys M. Green DB Flower Mound Cowboys
RotoGuru.com PK M. Stover M. Green DB RotoGuru.com
RotoGuru.com RB J. Scobey M. Pollard TE Ender
RotoGuru.com TE B. Miller M. Pollard TE Vote For Pedro (culdeus)
RotoGuru.com WR E. Drummond M. Schobel TE Perm Dudes
RotoGuru.com WR S. McDonald M. Stover PK RotoGuru.com
Sludge Def Browns M. Vanderjagt PK Leggo my Ego
Sludge Def Packers M. Williams DB Tax Returns
Sludge DL C. Griffin N. Davenport RB Challenger
Sludge LB L. Briggs N. Rackers PK Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
Sludge RB A. Thomas P. Tinoisamoa LB Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
Sludge WR R. Hymes Packers Def Sludge
Tax Returns DB A. Archuleta R. Barber DB Vote For Pedro (culdeus)
Tax Returns DB K. Kaesviharn R. Coleman DL Flower Mound Cowboys
Tax Returns DB M. Williams R. Curry WR Vote For Pedro (culdeus)
Tax Returns DB T. Polamalu R. Griffith DB Flower Mound Cowboys
Tax Returns Def Chargers R. Hymes WR Ender
Tax Returns Def Colts R. Hymes WR Sludge
Tax Returns Def Steelers R. Lee RB Flower Mound Cowboys
Tax Returns Def Texans R. Lee RB Tax Returns
Tax Returns DL B. Fisher R. McQuarters DB TB
Tax Returns PK J. Scobee Redskins Def Perm Dudes
Tax Returns PK J. Wilkins S. Christie PK Challenger
Tax Returns QB C. Nall S. Foley LB Dilligads
Tax Returns RB D. Rhodes S. Graham PK Vote For Pedro (culdeus)
Tax Returns RB J. Sowell S. King QB Mötley Crüe
Tax Returns RB R. Lee S. Mack RB Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
Tax Returns RB S. Morris S. McDonald WR RotoGuru.com
Tax Returns TE K. Dilger S. Morris RB Tax Returns
Tax Returns WR D. Gabriel S. Rogers DL Leggo my Ego
TB DB R. McQuarters S. Smith WR Mötley Crüe
TB Def 49ers S. Taylor DB Flower Mound Cowboys
TB DL A. Schobel Saints Def Leggo my Ego
TB LB A. Pierce Steelers Def Tax Returns
TB QB D. Bledsoe T. Couch QB Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
TB TE K. Mangum T. Hambrick RB Perm Dudes
TB WR D. Gabriel T. Houshmandzadeh WR Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
TB WR J. Moses T. Minor RB Leggo my Ego
Vote For Pedro (culdeus) DB R. Barber T. Parrish DB GoatLockers Bruisers
Vote For Pedro (culdeus) Def Cowboys T. Pinkston WR Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win
Vote For Pedro (culdeus) DL J. Hall T. Polamalu DB Tax Returns
Vote For Pedro (culdeus) PK S. Graham T. Taylor WR Challenger
Vote For Pedro (culdeus) QB J. Fiedler Texans Def Tax Returns
Vote For Pedro (culdeus) QB K. Dorsey V. Testaverde QB Ender
Vote For Pedro (culdeus) TE M. Pollard W. McGahee RB Mötley Crüe
Vote For Pedro (culdeus) WR L. Evans W. McGahee RB Mötley Crüe
Vote For Pedro (culdeus) WR R. Curry   W. Witherspoon LB Flower Mound Cowboys
198TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Dec 11, 2004, 23:54
In recognition of his contributions to my RIFC team for this season, Deuce McAllister is being rewarded by being able to observe the play-offs from my bench. If I could go back in time and make just one different decision for this season, it would have been to select the 10th pick over the 3rd pick in our draft. Good luck to those teams competing for the Championship.
199Sludge
      ID: 571125720
      Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 02:35
Being a Saints fan makes it so damn easy to be a good prognosticator.

From the first draft rationales thread:

Oh, and TB, you're forgetting about one minor detail: Deuce plays for the Saints.
200Motley Crue
      ID: 181650
      Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 09:28
Since this thread is the RIFC Regular Season Discussion #2, should we start a RIFC Playoff Discussion thread?
201TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 12:10
I suppose we should, but I am baffled that the posting of the actual waiver claims killed that discussion. I guess when you stop and look at the actual names and numbers, the "welfare" side no longer had an arguement.

Sludge, sorry to hex your team. Had I not drafted Deuce, I am sure he would have ran for 1900 yards this year. =)
202leggestand
      ID: 56811718
      Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 13:00
Ha! TB, the welfare side will always have a case! I think your numbers make sense, but I still think I am partially right :)
203TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 13:44
I just didn't see it in our league this year. Even when I got Droughns, nine teams had made claims since my last claim. I am not opposed to maintaining an order for EVERY claim, but I do not like how a team can sit at the top of waivers all year, especially when they have the best record, have had no significant injuries, and the best team gets better when a Droughns or Goings emerges. Somebody has to have the best draft and someone else is going to have the worst. Regardless of how well you prepare, there is quite a bit of luck involved. It seems like the best way to keep the league competitive.
204GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 14:13
In the long run, I was happy with the way waivers worked out.
I think we accomplished what we were trying to from the beginning.

My gut feel is to leave it the way it is.

Cliff
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