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Subject: G24 Preseason Discussion
Posted by: Ref
- Donor [539581218] Thu, Jun 23, 2005, 12:28
Again, the reason we are so premature on the Football stuff this year is because of the early date to save the league a buck a piece and renew our site. We will continue the talk about our three new managers in the last thread until they have a team so they can join in here.
For the most part, we are not in any hurry to get anything done until the site is open for business for this year. Even after we pay for it, I think the site is still in last year's mode until they put in the "upgrades" and open it up. We can't make any changes to anything other than rules and team owners until then.
I guess we need to decide if we will continue with pick'ems or not. Perhaps the reason for the attrition was because those managers fell out of contention. Before we do anything as far as changing anything though, we will add these three new managers, bmd, bj21 and TB to their new franchises. |
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| 240 | Toral
ID: 53422511
Tue, Aug 16, 2005, 19:01
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If it turns out to be of any help, I know Dan's keeping Putzier (cuz he's going to trade hime to me.)
Toral
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| 241 | cEHp
ID: 15521916
Tue, Aug 16, 2005, 22:02
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I will try and call Twarpy tomorrow.
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| 242 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Aug 16, 2005, 22:05
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I just returned home. It is unfair to the people who have turned their keepers in to give a late manager another evening to find more info about their players. We are now over 4 hours passed the deadline and we will be forced to select their keepers for them. Even if they had made a preliminary or something in the discussion we'd have something to go by. I've got to talk to stl cards but I assume the keepers will be selected for them as promised. This is one of the worst parts about being a commish, but fair is fair and it's not like there wasn't plenty of notice.
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| 243 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Aug 16, 2005, 22:37
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Please dont send me any more messages!!! We are not giving anyone more time. And even though I wouldn't have held putzier, i've seen toral's post and gotten a message from someone else imploring me to keep him for Dan. StL's list has to match mine or we have to discuss our disagreements. I think based on what I'm getting from two different people, there is a 3-way trade in the works and putzier is part of it. Now if I hold this guy for Dan, a perhaps 2nd TE and the deal falls through, he's gonna feel the sting. Anyhow, please don't send us any more messages regarding this, stl and I will have their keeps posted asap.
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| 244 | cEHp
ID: 15521916
Tue, Aug 16, 2005, 23:39
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"Even if they had made a preliminary or something in the discussion we'd have something to go by."
I have a long email where dan gives us "something to go by" in regards to two of his picks. Its simple, agreeing to a trade implicitly declared both Putzier and Keyshawn Johnson as two of his keepers. Please don't ruin a great trade because dan is a PUTZ.
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| 245 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 00:07
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Them dropping Keyshawn or Putz would be ludicrious. Putz is ranked a top 15 TE by footballguys.com. Keyshawn is a #1 WR in Dallas. I wouldn't worry about either.
That said, they should determine his keepers since he is past due.
THK
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| 246 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 00:28
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Keepers are posted and final. First, I'm not going to feel bad or made to feel bad about someone's 9th keeper. Twarpy came on and apparently the 9th keeper could have gone another way but he was too busy falling over himself apologizing and thanking us for helping him and he said don't worry about it, etc. and we did a good job.
Neither stl nor I originally had Putzier as a keeper. Who is keeping two TEs? We both had Q over Putz. But because we were alerted of his plan to keep and trade him, we had to decide is Q better than Franks? Well if he's trading Putz, he prob. wants Franks. We saw that Franks is having contract problems, but Q is no higher than 2nd on depth chart and is battling dayne and clarett and someone else for that. So we kept putz for him ONLY BECAUSE we were told by several people that he did intend to keep him. I don't care to read that we're crazy not to keep a top 15 TE. Nor were we happy to get messages from disgrunteled managers that it is BS that we didn't declare Twarpy's and Dan's keepers right after they missed the deadline. Not that we don't appreciate their opinions, but I think it may have been assumed that since we didn't post already we were letting them have more time.
We're going to try and do a little research and pick who we think might be the best 9 players, but we can't mind read. Then stl and I had to get together. It seems every year and every sport there is at least one manager that can't manage to get their keepers in. Things happen at times, but it's not fair for the people that get their lineups in on time to let them get an extension. We hope that whatever mistake we have made when we make these keepers are perhaps the 9th keeper and the mistake won't hurt their teams.
OK, that's behind us. Now let's get ready to draft! ;)
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| 247 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 00:44
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Who said crazy?!?! I respectfully disagree with your initial thoughts of Q over Putz, but oh well!
THK
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| 248 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 00:47
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thk, you can disagree all you want and you may be right, but unfortunately, we got stuck having to make choices for someone else. Hopefully we picked the same guys Dan would have wanted. But if not, we did the best we could given the circumstances.
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| 249 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 00:51
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The picks look fine.
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| 250 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 00:56
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THK, who said crazy??? Just for the record, you did!!! =-p
"Them dropping Keyshawn or Putz would be ludicrious."
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| 251 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 01:02
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Please, for the record show me where I called anyone crazy. You can't.
Ref, if you read past that...I agree on the fact of you picking keepers for the people that are over due.
THK
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| 253 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 01:38
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*sigh*
Ref said: "I don't care to read that we're crazy not to keep a top 15 TE."
This was clearly in reference to your statement of: "Them dropping Keyshawn or Putz would be ludicrious. Putz is ranked a top 15 TE by footballguys.com."
I'm not sure why you're confused about this, but it really doesn't matter. Let's move on to the draft, eh? =-)
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| 254 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 01:58
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I projected each teams keepers just for kicks and had him keeping Griffin over Putzier. Sure, if all the Denver backs stay healthy this year, Putz will probably score more, but he is a TE. FWIW, I had Gafney ranked higher than Putz too. It's all good, though, I let go two WR I had rated higher than two I kept. Not that any of the four I am talking about are going to be top 50 WR's this year anyway.
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| 255 | Doug
ID: 21716317
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 02:15
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FWIW, I projected keepers too, but had Putz ahead of Franks, so I had Franks as the player getting dropped. I'd say about half the teams I got exact matches on keepers, half I got 1 or even 2 players different. I was a bit surprised by the number of team defenses that were kept at the lower end of the spectrum, but I guess it makes sense, because it allows you to play matchups. As opposed to kicker, where weekly production is much tougher to predict, so playing matchup is less advantageous, hence fewer teams keeping 2 (actually, only one team did so).
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| 256 | Dan
ID: 516372313
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 10:49
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Hey guys I just want to let everyone know I'm still here. I want to apologize for yesterday, I was reminding myself all mornign yesterday to have my keepers in I still had one thing I was debating. Then as the deadline approched I had a work issue where I had to go in early and it just totally slipped my mind. I can't apologize nor thank you guys enough! You guys did exaclty what I probably would've done, I was debating that last keeper earlier so I guess you guys just ended up doing it for me :) So I thank you for that! Sorry again though, I feel so bad.
Now on top of that...since I kept Putz, Toral/EH that trade better still be going on ;) :P
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| 257 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 13:05
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Here is our draft thread from last year. Draft thread may go up end of this week or the weekend for any early pickers.
Just a note: if that 3-way trade is going to be complicated, you might want to give us a sneak peak so we can have it approved quickly once officially accepted by all parties w/o holding up anyone's pick. You can send it to us via email.
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| 258 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 14:41
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I was really concerned with my kicker last year I can see! 3 kickers, wow! Didn't have a first last year either...
THK
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| 259 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 15:45
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Just an update, I haven't heard back from Guru about the mock lottery draft and frankly not sure we will before the draft. He is on vacation and doing the RIFC draft and several other things going on. Since it's not going in until next year and this year is a more of a just for fun anyhow, hope no one minds if it is completed after the draft has begun. For those of you that don't know, Guru has wrote the program for our G20 hoops and baseball leagues and he needs to modify it just a smidge for our g24 league.
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| 260 | Dan
Sustainer
ID: 054747823
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 21:10
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Hey just thought I'd let everyone know I'm gone to Calgary for a week. I'm hoping I can get access during the draft period while I'm away, but if not I'm definitely going to get into contact with a couple people to make sure I don't miss my pick. See you all next week, and good luck with the start of the draft, hopefully a couple guys fall to me!
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| 261 | rfs on vacation
ID: 27331811
Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 13:18
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To all:
I'm away on vacation and do not have my spreadsheet with me, but to the best of my ability, here is an update of payments recieved.
*** PLEASE SPEAK UP IF I MISSED ANYONE ***
1. Skineej has a total of $10.50 owed from baseball -so he owes the balance for football.
2. Twarpy won $15 -- so he owes a balance
3. Doug was owed $12.50 last year (?) -- so he owes a small balance.
[#'s 1,2,3 were from balances Stl Cards transferred to me when I agred to be treasurer)
4. Turley $22
5. THK $22
6. StL $23
7. AF $23
8. BJ21 $23
9. TB $30 (sent extra to cover misc esxpenses, thanks)
10. PD $7 (no prize pool)
11. coldwater $22
12. Deepsnapper $22
13. myboyjack $22
14. Dan $22
15. bmd $23
16. sw $23
17. RFS $22
18. Toral - $7 (no prize pool)
Twarpy (pay on the way from hoops money winnings)- we still need to finalize this. I mailed your placque 2 days ago.
I've heard from 19. Ref, 20. CCRider and 21. Promize as to payments on the way.
skinnej, Twarpy, and Doug, please make sure I have your balances owed as correct?
Please correct me if I am wrong, but that leaves the following folks unaccounted for:
22. CEHP
23. Peter N
24. GL
Please e-mail me if you have corrections as I can check e-mail easier than the boards.
PS -- Are we doing weekly pick'ems for sure?
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| 262 | rfs on vacation
ID: 27331811
Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 13:55
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Update: GL paid $25.
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| 263 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 17:46
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Got your message, rfs, and I'm still awaiting word from Twarpy as well.
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| 264 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 18:18
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I think PD may not have gotten all the messages Twarpy was sending. For some reason he was CCing me and I looked and I still have it for some reason. Anyhow, here is the relevent part of the that email dated June 26th:
With that being said I think the best thing to do is
to do this: When you pay your football fee to rfs,
include $15 for shipping/engraving and $5 for the
balance of my football fees.
Then just send me whatever is leftover, minus any fees
you may to pay or whatever. I've also never received
money through paypal so if theres anything I have to
do let me know, the email address I use is the one I'm
sending you this from.
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| 265 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 18:25
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Since Twarpy wants in everything, that's $22 or $7 +$1 paypal fee to rfs to settle up for football. Then he wants to pay for the shipping from rfs to him (dont know what that is but like he said $15 should cover it). So that's around $23 to rfs and send Twarpy the balance. Hope I got it right, but Twarpy has not been home a lot all summer and I know he wants to get this taken care of.
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| 266 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 18:42
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Based on feedback from SW, our first up to draft, he's ready to go now, so may get the draft thread put up later tonight in the football standings thread. The clock will not start until next tuesday at noon, however, so don't feel pressured to pick, but there seems to be some obvious choices and some others may be ready to go. Besides that, we'd like to keep the per pick draft at 4 hrs each (8 hrs cumulative)if we can.
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| 267 | StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 18:52
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I verified that the table posted in #233 is accurate based on trades made up to this point. There is always room for error so please speak up if anyone thinks it is not accurate.
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| 268 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 20:03
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I didn't know whether he was in on the prize pool or not, ref. That's what I'm still awaiting a response from him on. I'll email him again in a minute.
pd
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| 269 | skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 21:52
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re: post 261 - I sent the balance owed ($12.50) on 7/1 thru paypal and got your response that you received it. I should be all square.
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| 270 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 23:13
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Our draft thread and draft discussion thread is up in the football standings forum. Last year we started the clock on Monday, but we already said Tuesday, so that's where we left it. Clocks will start on Tuesday at Noon ET. There is a dark time of Midnight to 8 a.m. where clocks will be suspended. Clocks will go on through the weekends. We will now mostly use the draft discussion thread. But lets use this one to finish any odds and ends like payments etc.
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| 271 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 19:39
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We need to get the outstanding league fees/prize pools in by next week. If there are any issues, please let us know.
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| 272 | Dan in Calgary
ID: 1875201
Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 02:06
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EH/Toral if you need to get a hold of me re: trade discussions please reach me at the above e-mail.
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| 273 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 09:28
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Just me, or a little odd that Dan posted in this forum without posting his pick in the other? Or was he just not ready to pick yet?
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| 274 | Toral
ID: 53422511
Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 09:29
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I suspect from his reference to trade discussions that he's not aware the trade went through. I've e-mailed him with the news and a list of who's been picked.
Toral
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| 275 | Doug
ID: 267342015
Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 16:37
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Right... just odd since Ref posted the approval in the draft thread prior to his post above. I guess he just didn't check the draft thread. No worries.
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| 276 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 13:00
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Has Dan responded to anyone's emails? Twarpy has even called and sent text messages to him. My concern is this: if he's not planning on returning until the 25th or so we will have some problems. He didn't leave a q and didn't read the posts that the draft thread was up--nor eany of his emails beforehand. I don't think he knows--but again, if he's gone on vacation for a week, he should have at least known to have someone ready to make his pick for him. Maybe he will be checking in today.
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| 277 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 13:04
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Dan: in case you don't know...
Here is the draft thread (we started (pre)drafting on Thursday--clocks don't start until Tuesday) You are up.
Here is the discussion thread.
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| 278 | Toral
ID: 53422511
Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 13:04
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He hasn't responded to me. He did say he would get into contact with someone to make sure he didn't miss his pick (260). The trade only altered his draft position by 5 picks so he must know that he has to get into contact with someone by tomorrow afternoon to be safe from timing out.
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| 279 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 13:50
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Yeah, my point is when Dan said this:
I'm away on vacation from the 18th until the 25th but could possibly get internet access while I'm gone if need be.
So he knew he wasn't going to be around for the start of the draft yet no q or anything. So I'm hopeful, he's able to check in today (or no later than early tomorrow) to see the status of the league, etc.
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| 280 | Toral
ID: 53422511
Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 14:01
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Don't forget, Dan's in Calgary. They may be under four feet of snow with dogsled as the only means of communication ;)
Toral
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| 281 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 17:23
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Dan has been online today. Not sure why he isn't picking.
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| 282 | Dan In Calgary
ID: 217392011
Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 17:24
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Hey guys I'm extremely sorry for not picking yet, I was unaware the draft had started when I posted last. I just came on quickly to let Toral/EH know they could get a hold of me through that e-mail and didn't even get a chance to read the thread. I sincerely apologize, I'm on now and will have a pick up very shortly, once agian sorry for the delay.
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| 283 | rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016
Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 18:50
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Payment update:
Since post 261
GL is paid in full.
Ref, CCRider, Promize, PeterN have all made pay arrangements with or the "check is in the mail" :)
I still need PD to forward Twarpy's fees (and prize pool etc..). I belive we are waiting on Twarpy to instruct PD?
cEHp -- I haven't herad a word from you. can you get in touch withme please.
To all: Please understand I'd like to put this to bed ASAP as keeping track of 24 people isn't really what I want to do.
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| 284 | rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016
Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 18:56
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oh... and Doug still owes a baalnce but he contacted me and it is on the way.
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| 285 | rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016
Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 19:12
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update: Promize paid in full
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| 286 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 19:24
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Doh. I don't send much mail, and don't have an outgoing mailbox here at the building... so the envelope is still sitting in the outgoing slot by the door. *blush* My apologies. I'll drop it off at a mailbox tonight. Pinky swear.
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| 287 | rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016
Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 10:34
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Updates:
Ref paid in full.
Doug paid balance in full.
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| 288 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Sep 01, 2005, 14:24
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We are getting ready to start waivers and with that a new thread, but wanted to clear up a question about the prize pool that came up in our baseball thread about this (G24) league's prize pool.
Last year Expansion this, Toral, Baldwin, CC Rider, and Smallwhirled didn't participate. Two of those managers are not back. For this year everyone has paid or pledged to be in the prize pool except PD and Toral.
Remember that because managers were picking and choosing in the various leagues about when to be in the prize pool because how they thought there team would be, many managers were calling for a requirement to be in the prize pool in order to play. RFS and myself came up with a compromise that said that from now on it is still voluntary but starting with this year you would either be in or out every year. We don't want anyone to have to drop out due to finances. It's obviously not a money thing. I will also take this one step farther. If anyone is in this year and subsequently for some reason don't feel like they can be in it in the future due to finances, we will work with them and perhaps let them opt out depending on what is involved on a case by case basis. (Need to confer with rfs on this as he's the treasurer in all of our leagues now and I am a co-commish in every league).
With that said, Toral and PD are not in the prize pool at this time. There have been 3 or 4 managers that met the requirement of asking for an extension of fees with rfs before the due date. They have all committed to the prize pool and have assured rfs they would be able to take care of business before the NFL season starts. So if Toral or PD would like to be added to the prize pool, all they need to do is inform rfs of their decision and tell him when they'll send in that money and for him to approve it.
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| 289 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Sep 01, 2005, 14:35
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Also there is a separate pick ems contest. That is $1 entry fee.
Did everyone like the way that was setup last year? There is also other ways to set it up. Each game can be weigted from 1-12 each week and you get points based on the number it assigns (I think the harder/closer matchups are worth more points as CBS Sportsline's computer guru assigns probable points for each player in the lineup). There is also a points spread based on the same thing and you have to win by points to get it right. Remember pick'ems is based on our games--not NFL games. So it's me against rfs' team not real Colts vs. Steelers. You are guessing who will win in our league.
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| 290 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Sep 01, 2005, 15:19
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OK last act before our season gets underway (once i start waivers).
Here is a list of all draft pick trades for '05 that I am nuking now...
*8/25/04 Doug's Raiders receives 2005 5th round pick from CC Rider's Bears for his 2005 4th round pick.
*9/6/05 Minn Vikes give up their 3rd round pick next year for SF's 5th round pick as part of the Couch/Henson trade.
*10/1/04 Twarpy's Giants trade their 3rd round pick to RFS for Jonathan Quinn.
*10/5/04 CC Rider's Bears trades his 4th round pick next year for RFS' 5th round pick & Anderson.
*10/6/04 Colts get highest of Steelers two 3rd round picks and Steelers get the Colts 2nd round pick. (as part of Grossman for Testeverde)
*10/10/04 Seattle Seahawks give up #3 Draft Pick / Steelers give up lowest of two #4 Draft picks. - Supplemental for the Warner for Johnson trade.
*10/12/04 Green Bay Packers receive the higher of the 49ers' two 3rd rounders (decided at the end of the year between MN/SF) for the Packers' 5th rounder. Supplemental for the Gramatica trade.
*10/15/04 Arizona Cardinals receive the 2nd and 3rd rounders from the Cowboys in exchange for the Cardinals' 1st and 4th rounders as part of the trade for the Rams' DST.
*11/2/04 Bills receive Promize's 3rd and the lowest of either rfs' 3rd and Twarpy's 3rd and Steelers receive Bills' 2nd rounder - as part ot the Krenzel trade.
*11/4/04 Vikings receive Pitt's lowest 2nd round pick for A-train and Minnesota's 4th round pick in the Thomas deal.
*11/17/04 Saints receive Jax 1st round pick as part of the Robinson/Dunn deal.
*12/3/04 Cleveland Browns acquire 3rd pick from 49ers for Cleveland's 5th pick as part of the Moss/Davis deal.
*7/12/05 Arizona sends the Jaguars their 2nd round pick (34th overall) in 2005 draft as part of the Bruce,Loseman/Brooks deal.
*8/4 Rams get Cowboys (via Az Cards) 1.10 pick Cowboys receive Rams' 3.18 pick.
*8/5/05 Bengals get Browns 1.2 and 2.2 picks. Browns get Bengals 2.16. (part of Martin/Toefield trade).
*8/10/05 Saints receives Vikings #5 overall and #29 overall this year, and the 1st round pick next year for Saints' 3rd round pick this year in the Foster/Smith/Stallworth for K.Jones deal.
*8/12/05 KC gets Oakland's 1st, 3rd, and 5th round picks for KC's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in the Delhomme/Mason deal.
*8/13/05 Denver gets 4.01 from Oakland for Denver's 4.22 in the Moore/Taylor deal.
*8/15/05 Denver gets 2.05 for Toral's 2.22 in the Wilkins/Hall deal
*8/15/05 Texans get Ram's 4.17 and 5.17 and Rams get Texan's 4.13 and 5.13 in the Boston/Brown deal.
*8/26/05 Skinneej trades pick 3.12 for TB's pick 4.08 in this year's draft and his 2nd rounder next season (see 2006).
*THK gets my (rfs) 4.21 this year (2005). I (rfs) get his (thk's) 4.xx NEXT year in 2006. (see 2006)
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