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Subject: RIFC 2006: Draft discussion #1
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 18:03
The clock will start on Wednesday morning, but I will activate the draft this evening. The clock will be set at 6 hours, with a moratorium from 11pm-7am EDT. If the clock expires, the next person in line will get to draft, and the skipped drafter will make up his skipped pick whenever he can. The clock will continue to run on weekends.
People at the endpoints of the draft have only one single time limit to make their consecutive picks. Similarly, the clock will be manually advanced to skip past anyone who already has a pick in arrears, unless other arrangements have been made in advance of that pick.
We will maintain a draft discussion thread here, but it will probably not be used extensively. If you know that you have pending time constraints, please post them in this thread. (e.g., "I'll be away until 6pm ET, so if my pick is due before then, you'll have to wait.") To the extent that you can alert everyone to potential availability issues, you can help others to plan their check-in times accordingly. That's simply good draft etiquette.
If you know you will be away when your next pick is likely to be due, you can can set up a queue in kafenatid and designate one of more managers to pick on your behalf. Your queue will not be visible until it is your turn to pick. By default, I am able to submit picks for anyone, but you should designate me so that I receive the email alert when it is your turn.
I will clear all rosters at the fanball site shortly, and ask that each of you pick up your player as soon as you draft him. I will also attempt to make pickups for teams using a designated picker, so that we can maintain as complete a list of free agents as possible.
When drafting, there is no need to draft every position. For example, if you want to skip a kicker, be my guest. However, the Fanball software will force you to fill each of the 14 active slots when you set your lineup for each game. You will not have the ability to leave an active slot blank, so plan your bench needs accordingly.
Rationales will be expected for each pick, but deleayed by two rounds. When we near the end of round two, I will set up a thread for those.
As a final caveat, I am on vacation until Saturday. I do plan to keep up, checking in several times daily. But there will be times when I might not be as available as usual for the first few days.
Any picks made prior to Wednesday morning are discretionary, and not timed. There is no need to get an early start - but feel free to do so, if you are so inclined.
A final caveat: Please refrain from mentioning undrafted players, either in this thread, or in your posted rationale.
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| 428 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:31
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I have/had Greg Jones as my 3rd RB, so, I was hoping that I could get him, although I do not have a DL yet. On that note, I am entertaining offers for a decent (note: not solid/stud) #3/4 RB. I have QB's and WR's that could fit into some teams.
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| 429 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:33
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Please post your rationales for the final two round here, and I'll copy them over once we have most of them.
I will set up a separate thread for an overall draft recap.
Please complete filling your rosters at the Fanball site. After all rosters are loaded and verified, I will freeze that site for a 2-day period. Details on a final post-draft waiver round will follow once all draft rosters are in place.
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| 431 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:39
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BTW, I'm sure that this was not only the fastest RIFC draft ever, but probably the fastest of any of the Invitational leagues since their inception. (The last Hoops draft had a similar elapsed time, but that league has only 12 teams and 15 rounds.) We averaged just under one hour per pick, and that includes time when the clock was paused. 336 picks in approximately 330 hours!
Thanks to you all for paying attention.
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| 434 | Hubble
ID: 185332620
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:08
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Legge, i guess we could arrange something, i'll shoot you a mail
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| 436 | Hubble
ID: 185332620
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:16
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Post 54 & 55 in rationale was me (i edited) just misplaced my rationale... again... and again ... too many windows opened!
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| 437 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:19
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Sounds good Hubble, I don't have access to my home (yahoo) email at work, so, if you send anything in the next 3 hours, shoot it over to the attached email.
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| 440 | Doug
ID: 361412812
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:25
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I find it amusing that in addition to Buckhalter I was considering Fason, Toefield, and Clark for my last round pick... and all 3 got drafted in the final 4 picks! Not surprising in earlier rounds, but kinda funny in the last round. I passed on Clark when I realized he had the same bye week as Winslow, and felt Buckhalter had ever-so-slightly more upside than the other 2 RBs... we're all just throwing darts at this point anyway. =-)
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| 443 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 16:07
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Guru et al,
In post 23 and 24 of this thread, we discussed pushing the trading deadline back a bit. Is this something we need to consider for this season? I haven't even looked to see if it is relevant, but if it is, we might want to talk about it now rather than waiting until the season starts.
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| 444 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 17:27
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Note: Sam Hurd is not listed at Fanball's site, so I am unable to complete my roster (that's probably a bad sign, come to think of it...). I've sent them an email.
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| 446 | culdeus
ID: 21658420
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 21:12
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Sam Hurd won't make the 53 man roster cutdown this weekend so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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| 447 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 21:26
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Can't disagree with that. Always nice to get the homerism done with early.
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| 448 | culdeus
ID: 21658420
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 21:36
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Well honestly, not that it matters as I was thinking about taking Flozell Adams in the last round, but who do they keep as a WR?
TO
Glenn
Crayton
Skyler Green (Even though he's been a 0 in camp you don't cut a 3rd rounder in his first year)
Terrence Copper
----cut----
Hurd
That's the way I see it. He's a good guy and might get picked up, but he's just a one hit camp wonder as I see it.
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| 449 | culdeus
ID: 21658420
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 21:37
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I live in Dallas BTW and hear this stuff all day on The Ticket.
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| 450 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 12:13
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Re trade deadline [443]:
I had forgotten about that. The trade deadline is currently set for November 10, which is consistent with last year. November 10 is the Friday following week #9. However, this season there are no byes after week #9, so the rationale for pushing the deadline back a week does not apply.
If anyone feels that the trade deadline should be pushed back, speak up. Otherwise, I'll leave it as is.
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| 451 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 3579513
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 12:14
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Sounds fine to me.
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| 452 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 12:15
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Re: Hurd
Please add Mungro as a Hurd placeholder for now. If/when Hurd is added, we'll make the substitution. If you drop Mungro without picking up Hurd, then the Hurd claim is relinquished.
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| 453 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 12:40
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Guru, I suppose the NFL took care of the bye week trade deadline consideration for us. I didn't think of it that way.
OK, I'm fine with the trade deadline being after week 9.
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| 454 | mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 13:14
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Guru, I'm trying to school my rookies in AA as to how the waver wire works.
One more question. Can claims be made from the waver wire during the first 48 hours after the draft? Or are the players just frozen for 48 hours before being declared FAs?
If claims are made, I assume that they are processed after 48 hours. Priority manually set by the reverse order of our draft (or first round, which for us is the same).
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| 455 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 13:52
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Waiver claims can be submitted during the 48 hours after the draft, processed in reverse order of the draft. (I guess it makes sense to snake these priorities for this one time, although I don't ever recall anyone submitting more than one claim at this stage of the season.)
The Fanball/AOL system will not administer preseason waivers, so the commish has to do this manually. Waiver claims should be emailed to the commish, stating the player to add & the player to drop. At the end of the waiver period, the commish will manually determine the waiver awards and make the necessary roster moves. Then, all undrafted players can be released to free agency, and players can be picked up 1st come, first served. The next waiver claim period does not occur until after the first week of games.
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| 456 | mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 14:25
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Thanks, unfortunately some answers lead to more questions.
As I understand it, the priority rankings are not reset each week.
Those who make claims in the preseason are sent to the back of the line.That whatever happens in the preseason claims will impact the priority in the week one rankings.
Is that correct?
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| 457 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 17:07
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No. For the first six weeks, priority rankings are reset each week, based on worst-to-first standings. After week 6, priorities do not reset weekly, but are carried forward from the previous week, adjusted for actual claims awarded.
At the beginning of the playoffs, priorities again reset once, this time in order of playoff seed (top seed has highest priority).
So, there is no after-effect of any preseason waiver claims.
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| 458 | mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 17:55
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Thanks, Guru, I think I have it now.
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| 459 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 18:27
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452
Completed - thanks.
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| 460 | Doug
ID: 33772914
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 19:38
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So to clarify... the currently standing waiver priority only applies for waiver claims up until week 1.
The waiver claims for week 1 (process on Wednesday?) will be dependent upon how we perform in our two fantasy games the first week... starting with teams with worst record (0-2) and ties broken by lowest point total getting higher priority.
Is this correct?
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| 462 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 19:54
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Correct.
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| 463 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 04:07
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The following rationales are still missing:
Culdeus
7.07 Drew Bledsoe, QB, DAL
Guru
17.11 William Green, RB, CLE
valkyrie
21.08 Amani Toomer, WR, NYG
22.07 Marcedes Lewis, TE, JAX
23.08 Edgerton Hartwell, LB, ATL
24.07 Stephen Gostkowski, K, NE
s_R
21.14 Hank Baskett, WR, PHI
22.01 Tyson Thompson, RB, DAL
23.14 Jared Allen, DL, KAN
24.01 Rashean Mathis, DB, JAX
Goatlocker
23.02 Kevin Williams, DL, MIN
24.13 Mike Vanderjagt, K, DAL
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| 464 | GoatLocker
ID: 43781518
Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 08:59
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If I don't get to my last two tonite, I'll get them the weekend for sure.
Timing was perfect on the draft.
I started a three day meeting on Tues.
Should wrap late today.
Will finish the rationales and the recap then.
Cliff
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| 466 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 10:15
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TB - thanks for the help on moving over rationales.
At the Fanball site, I just added Buckhalter to Doug's roster, Vanderjagt to Goatlocker's roster, and practically the whole team to culdeus' roster. (Thanks for the help, culdeus!)
It now appears that all rosters are complete at Fanball, so I locked everyone's ability to add/drop for the time being. If you notice any mistakes in your roster, please let me know ASAP. It's much easier to correct now, before someone tries to claim a player that should be yours.
We will now start the 48 hour add/drop moratorium, during which time any manager may submit a waiver claim for any undrafted player. Claims must be submitted to me via email. If you are submitting a claim, indicate the player to add (name, pos, & team - please) and the corresponding player to drop. If you have more than one claim to make, put them all in one email and prioritize them as well. Please put "RIFC WAIVER CLAIM" in the subject line.
I will process any waiver claims as of noon on Saturday, Sept. 2. Priorities will be in reverse draft order. While one could make a case for snaking these priorities, there is no precedent for snaking waivers, so "second round" claims will be in the same priority as the first waiver round.
After processing waiver claims, all unclaimed players will be released to free agency, available first come, first served. Players dropped during the waiver claiming will be subject to a 48 hour waiting period (if I do it correctly), but there will be no more waiver claims until after the first week of NFL games. Waiver priorities for that period will be based on records for the first weekend (worst-to-first).
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| 467 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 16:15
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Guru,
Thanks for the assist on Vanderjadt.
Forgot about him with the three day meeting at work.
Sorry about letting real life get in the way.
Cliff
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| 468 | TB
ID: 72253110
Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 16:23
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NP, Guru. Couldn't sleep last night. I think I will write up my draft recap tonight if I can't fall asleep again.
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| 469 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 09:02
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Someone sent me a waiver request yesterday, but didn't say which team it was for. The sending email address wasn't one I recognized - from a videotron.ca email address. I'm guessing it's either from Hubble or IAC, but I need to know.
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| 470 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 59652217
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 09:08
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Hey Guru... I've got videotron here... but it wasn't me. If it had the name Etienne, Desmeules, or Pretech in it... then it's Hubble's.
If it's a waiver request... wouldn't it have a drop as well? (easy way to verify)
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| 471 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 09:09
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Of course - I'm an idiot. It is Hubble.
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| 472 | Hubble
ID: 185332620
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 12:45
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it was from my wife's adress...
she says player A look better than player B, so wanted player A on my team... how weird is that.
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| 473 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 13:37
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I made the Mungro=>Hurd replacement for Beezer.
I'm not sure whether it's specifically stated in any of the RIFC threads, but the standard policy on unlisted players for all of the Invitational leagues is that unlisted players (by Fanball, in this case) may be drafted, but once the draft is complete, unlisted players may only be added when they are available at the game site. Thus, any waiver claim for an unlisted player will be skipped.
I'm not aware of any current claim for an unlisted player (some additional players have recently been listed at Fanball, e.g. Hurd), but wanted to clarify the precedent in case the situation should arise.
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| 474 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 13:53
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I think I can understand the "why" to your point about unlisted players during the season, but I am not sure why that should pertain during preseason when our waivers are done manually anyhow?
Right now, we are basically doing draft clean up; and I wouldn't consider this regular season transactions. For example - I can't help that I drafted Greg Jones, he got hurt, and now I have to drop him. If we were doing a live draft now, I wouldn't draft him, so, if I want someone that isn't listed, why can't I have him if the only reason I am dropping Jones is that he got hurt prior to the draft waivers clearing?
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| 476 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 14:16
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Holy smokes, I wish I could help you out ref.
By the way, everyone else, please don't miss my post prior to ref's. I would like a clarification on this before waivers clear.
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| 477 | Doug
ID: 33772914
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 14:51
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I should be able to work on this in a few hours... just kinda swamped right now. If anyone else would rather do it, let me know so I don't waste any time on it. =-)
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| 478 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 15:00
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re [474]:
In the other Invitational leagues, post-draft waivers are processed by the system. It's only Fanball's inability to handle this that makes it a manual process.
The reason for allowing unlisted players during the draft is that game vendors are often slow in listing players. It would be unfair to disallow picking up a certain player in an early round if that player happened to become available in a later round. The presumption is that all viable players will be listed by the end of the draft anyway - although that does not always happen. And when it does happen, we have to make manual arrangements to properly administer those picks.
Once the draft concludes, every team is back on a level playing field. To facilitate administration, we let the system do all the processing. Unfortunately, Fanball cannot do that. But it seems odd to me that I should extend a privilege to this league that is not available in any other Invitational league, and that has not been clearly stated as an exception in advance.
I'm willing to reconsider this position if others think I'm being arbitrary and contrary to the best interests of the league.
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| 479 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 15:02
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Ref and Doug - I have a spreadsheet already set up that should assimilate the combined draft info. I've used it for other sports. Let me take the first shot at this before you reinvent any wheels.
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| 480 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 15:05
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Thanks Guru, if it's not too advanced, can you send me an email sometime about how you went about it? I'd love to learn.
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| 481 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 15:31
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If it's not too much trouble can we edit that post [475]? It's freaking out this thread on my screen.
Thanks.
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| 482 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 15:47
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MC, I'll just delete it and start a new thread, which we can delete when Guru posts his. Sorry.
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| 483 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 15:53
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It's OK, Ref. I want to see the information, too. I just figured since he already had the data, we could delete that post and await the crunched results.
Thanks for doing that, though. I was trying to read the other posts about the waivers and I was getting a headache sliding back and forth on each post.
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| 484 | leggestand
ID: 517112818
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 15:55
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Guru 478 - I don't think it's a special circumstance, and although I am not in any other RI_C leagues, I think it should at least be discussed.
Once the draft concludes, every team is back on a level playing field.
I disagree with this sentiment given that we use a slow draft. I personally am not on the same playing field because I lost my 9th round pick; Goatlocker is not on the same playing field because he may lose his 3rd round pick. I understand these are the results of a slow draft, but for myself, my draft strategy was altered in Round 23 when Greg Jones got injured. There was a player I wanted that wasn't in the system, but because of Jones' injury, I was not able to draft him because I believed Toefield was the route I was forced to go. I guess I figured I would pick up the unlisted player during the first waiver process, which now appears won't be allowed.
I do think everyone is on the same playing field once the season commences, but not so when the draft ends; again, because it's a slow draft.
Since it is not done in any other RI_C leagues, it should probably remain the same if no discussion occurs. Maybe I am just screaming sour grapes...especially since this player I have put a claim in for is someone I could end up dropping.
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| 485 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 16:06
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I don't find your rationale compelling, other than that you may have assumed that an unlisted player would still be available after the draft.
But your grapes shouldn't taste too sour. Everyone on your claim list is already available in Fanball. So as far as I can tell, this is a hypothetical exercise insofar as your potential claims are concerned - unless you still have more claims to submit.
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| 486 | leggestand
ID: 517112818
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 16:14
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You're right; I wonder why I could never find him...it still took me another 10 minutes since your post to find who I was talking about.
I retract all of my above statements if everyone agrees with Guru.
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| 487 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 26846115
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 16:47
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I certainly do (agree with Guru that is)
RE 484: "There was a player I wanted that wasn't in the system, but because of Jones' injury, I was not able to draft him because I believed Toefield was the route I was forced to go."
I don't mean to be offensive Legge... but that's just the nature of the beast. None of us can draft with a view to the future, and you did indeed have the choice to take a player that wasn't listed (just like Steven Davis who was drafted that way). I too found myself in a similar position (or so I thought), and I did indeed try to draft the "unlisted" Maurice Jones-Drew... who btw... appear s to be listed as Maurice Drew!? Who woulda thunk it?!
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| 488 | leggestand
ID: 517112818
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 17:28
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I agree IAC, I was more going towards the point that the beast is created because of a slow draft. You win some and you lose some in a slow draft; I just lost in this one, and it changed my last pick (if Jones does not get injured, I do not take Toefield). So, yes, I do think I was forced to take Toefield and not able to take who I planned on; Toefield was the back up to the guy that got hurt on my team; and if Jones doesn't get hurt, I could of taken a chance on the guy I wanted, who I may still get, which will make the point moot.
No offense taken, though; I didn't think I was going to be right on this one, I just thought I'd bring up that pov.
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| 489 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Sep 02, 2006, 11:59
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I'm going to open a new thread for regular season discussion.
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