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Subject: Gurupie 24 2007 Season Discussion III
Posted by: Ref
- Donor [539581218] Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:40
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| 86 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 12:30
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Reminders:
Records and all stats will continue to accure for every team that plays a game for the next three weeks. However, the Regular Season Placements for next year's Draft and lottery for teams 9-24 are final now. I will be moving them to the rules page. No matter how well or poorly you play in the consolation games, you will maintain your draft position.
For top 8 teams all stats will count but it all comes down to wins and losses and the draft will take these games into account. The records mean nothing now that we have seeded the teams.
No DHs in the playoffs.
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| 87 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 08:50
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See post #47 if anyone needs clarification on the freeze for adding/dropping players.
I am reversing the last move made by the Eagles. Sorry if there is confusion.
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| 88 | deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 09:49
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no problem Kirk. I forgot about that WW claim and didn't cancel it on Sunday. I'm sorry for the extra work.
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| 89 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 10:48
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no problem Roy, I realized that was probably what happened when I saw that the leage settings were set correctly to no add-drops, but it must not be smart enough to stop a waiver claim submitted prior to that.
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| 90 | Twarpy
ID: 401115511
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 12:51
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Seven teams in the NFC beat the 'top' team in the AFC in Ref in overall points. The NFC South was tough, but the NFC north only had one team score below 2400 pts. CT and THK bring home some hardware.
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| 91 | Doug
ID: 559171521
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 15:39
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Why do we freeze add/drops for playoff teams? Most leagues I'm in at least allow "reversible" add/drops... that is, your roster reverts to what it was at the freeze date once the playoffs end. One league goes so far as to only allow transactions for non-QB/RB/WR type players. The point being that most teams can't afford to carry many (if any) backups at K, TE, IDP... especially with keeper considerations in play. But if you have a player get injured at one of these positions, you can't replace him? *shrug* I'd like to propose this now as a rule change for next year:
Rosters freeze at end of regular season... however teams may continue to make transactions as long as they are still in contention for the league title. At the end of the playoffs, all teams rosters will revert to the "frozen" end-of-regular-season roster.
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| 92 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 16:23
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Doug, that has always been the rule. The original philosophy was that in order for a player to be used in the playoffs you had to have him on your team for at least the last game of the regular season.
I think we posted something in the last week or so about some of the ideas flowing for next year. Adding IDPs to our league created some ramifications--esp. when it comes to the playoffs that no one apparently anticipated.
First: We added 4 active IDPs and one bench slot. The prevailing thought seemed to be that too many bench spots and people hoard offensive players. The popular thought also was too many IDPs and there would be a pure crapshoot of player scoring.
My observations: With the depth of our league on offense, one could easily pluck nice IDPs off the FA wire every week. The IDPs did not share our offensive issues at finding talent. This was brought up before our vote. If we add anymore IDPs, we're going to have to add a bench spot. Then there goes the hoarding again. (This did in fact occur as a few teams chose to leave a bye week/injured player active and have a 3rd or 4th string qb/rb/wr than replace their IDP.) Therefore we may want to keep it the same or add two IDPs if we have to add a bench spot. Some of these issues have been also been shared with me, but I'm speaking for myself here. I'm fine with leaving them as they are--we jsut need to figure out if that is best. I'd like to find something that works and leave it there.
Second--Playoffs...with limited bench slots and all the actives--it's impossible to cover all of your players should an injury occur after the playoff FA freeze. I told Cards that we are going to have to propose something next year to fix this. He agreed. At first I said we should allow free pickups of IDP players, but anyone you pickup cannot be kept. I then added that because of our intentionally short benches that perhaps all non key players (QB/RB/WR) should be allowd to be picked up. I am not sure about DSTs at this point. He agreed. I then said that probably only the top 8 should be allowed to pickup players and again, no one allowed to be kept. He agreed.
Now what Doug is proposing is similar--though I've not played in a keeper league before that allowed you to make roster adjustments in the playoffs. It's inherently not fair to the non-playoff teams if you're allowed to keep them. I was thinking that whomever you dropped, you'd lose them too--but Doug's post about reverting might be a better proposal. Might even be more strategic to lsoe them both? Not sure.
Bottom line is that no one thought about (or at least mentioned) the impact of the IDPs on the playoff rosters in case of injuries which occured during or after week 13 games. GO proposed that everyone have the ability to make pickups in the playoffs ongoing, but then he withdrew it after people talked about the issues with that. I agree with Doug that this rule needs to be modified, regardless of the number of IDPs we use next year.
For my team, I added another IDP just in case and wanted to add one more and had the player in my queue to be added, but just couldn't pull the trigger to drop anyone. I just hope that there are no new injuries that hurt any of the top 8 teams this year. Hopefully for next year the league can come up with a rule just in case.
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| 93 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 17:08
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Looking at the last two years, I faced BJ's Rams in week 14 both times and beat BJ's Rams by 3pts both times. Hoping for more of the same this year.
Go Redskins!
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| 94 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 18:59
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Overall Standings/Records updated in standings forum.
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| 95 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 19:09
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It's playoff time--so some interesting tidbits I just noticed as we start...
The Bills franchise is the only one to never make it past week 14. That also means that the Bills have never made it to the Super Bowl where you're guaranteed three games.
The Rams and the Bears are the only two franchises to play in week 16 every single season. We know the Rams just barely kept that streak alive (Eagles lost a game by .08 so there's the difference). Neither team has always made teh playoffs but they've been able to win in the consolation bowls in weeks 14 and 15 when they didn't make it.
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| 96 | Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 11:39
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Hoping none of the playoff teams with Grossman or Campbell...
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| 97 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 13:11
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LOL
In the last month+ or so I've lost:
Jason Campbell
Cedric Benson
Brandon Jacobs
Ronnie Brown.
The NFL should pay me not to put stars on my roster this year
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| 98 | Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 14:59
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If it makes you feel better, I have guys who ARE producing (Dayne - 100 ypg avg over last month, 2 TD's) and I couldn't get a playoff team to shoot me a mid round pick for him. Now he's just wasting away in NewYorkJetville... when he could have been helping someone.
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| 99 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 16:49
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See - if I'd have got him he'd be in an ICU unti right now.
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| 100 | Great One
ID: 201155199
Sat, Dec 08, 2007, 17:45
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Mrs. Dayne should send you a thank you card.
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| 101 | THK
ID: 16117518
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 14:21
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Another disappointing season...
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| 102 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 17:33
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Benching Selvin Young wasn't the brightest move. I had 3 to choose from at flex and pick the one that scores the least. Romo comes back strong and Chester Taylor busts a long run to sink my chances. Dilfer with his negative points isn't helping either.
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| 103 | blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 17:47
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Wow - I need to fall asleep on the couch more often (or so I'll try to convince my wife). I fell asleep down 25 to 'Cards and wake up ahead by 10. I'd be a little surprised if Dilfer came out for the second half - he took a nasty hit to the head right at the end of 2Q.
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| 104 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 19:56
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Congrats BJ21 and good luck in the playoffs. My team just didn't show up today. Hard to take getting knocked out in the first round after having such a good season but that's what happens. Garcia out and then Dilfer knocked out, Brown left with an injury, Wilkins missing a FG, Shockey doing nothing, TO held to 2 points, it all adds up to one of my worst outputs of the year.
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| 105 | blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 21:08
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Mm-hmm, and congrats and good luck to you too. You're only down by 3 or 4 right now and I don't like the way this game looks to be going. Though I do like my odds, that's probably a bad sign.
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| 106 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 23:19
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At least bj21 had to be a bit on edge till near the end. Congrats and well earned. Now do the South Division proud and win the whole thing!
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| 107 | blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 00:16
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On edge indeed. I'm sick of having to watch the Baltimore Ravens and rooting for Bart Scott and against Ray Lewis. Happy to still be playing, however. Nice season Cards - hopefully I can keep on rolling.
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| 108 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 17:51
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Hope I didn't use up all my points this week! If someone would have suggested I'd be in the final 4 before the year started, I'd have told them to put down the pipe.
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| 109 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 00:53
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I saw something that was interesting. My LB Keiaho intercepted a pass but it was on a PAT try for 2. I didn't get credit for it. It makes perfect sense as the try is either good or no good.
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| 110 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 02:08
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Ref, what if that was returned to the other end zone?
Any score for that in this league? In the NFL it's worth what, one point?
Not a common occurrence, but it does happen once in a blue moon.
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| 111 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 09:52
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In NCAA it would have counted as an INT and a 2 pointer, but in the NFL the play is over when it is turned over. You can't run it back for points.
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| 112 | Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 10:09
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2 points in college, whistled dead in the NFL.
I remember that play when a team scored to go up 1 point in college with like 10 seconds left... then they went for 2 to make it a 3 point lead. Seems logical. Except it got picked and they went the other way... they lost by 1 point! lol...
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| 113 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 10:15
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Super Bowl Matchups:
AFC
#3 Ravens @ #1 Colts
NFC
#4 Rams @ #2 Cardinals
Consolation:
Bengals @ Raiders
Vikings at 49ers
Wanna-Be Bowl:
Texans @ Broncos
Cowboys @ Bills
Toilet Bowl:
Browns @ Chargers
Saints @ Seahawks
Pick-ems Standings (Drop low week 1-13)
Colts 186
Bears 179
Eagles 176
Jets 165
Chargers 169
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| 114 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 12:47
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Re: 112 OMG!
I saw this year in 3OT where they had to go for 2 and it was tied and it got picked and they almost ran it back to win it. It was a huge game just recently but can't remember who it was.
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| 115 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 12:51
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Grats to the Bills for winning their first ever postseason game. The Bears loss means for the first time they will not be playing in all 16 weeks. The Rams will now be the only franchise to do that as they have a guaranteed three games in the playoffs.
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| 116 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 14:07
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Franchise Standings/Records updated in standings forum.
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| 117 | Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 14:31
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Discussed a bit earlier, thought I would reiterate... I really think we should look at adding two more teams on each side and awarding bye weeks to the top 2 seeds (or division winners?) in each conference. I believe that would put an premium on winning your division and being rewarded with a bye.
It drives me insane (in other leagues) to watch a #1 get knocked off by a #8 seed cause the #8 got hot at the end of the season or had a lucky week. To me it makes the regular season pointless. Now I know we have 24 teams and divisions etc so the breakdown is different, but something worth looking at (if hasn't been already).
Is that something that was considered when the league was set up I assume? I know I came late to the party...
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| 118 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 14:37
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It's simply an impossibility because we throw week 17 out. We'd have to have our championship in week 17 or end our reg, season in week 12. No one wants to have the championship game feature several players resting.
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| 119 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 14:40
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Also we have #1 vs #4s in our div. games. Typically our playof teams are bunched up pretty well. For instance, even though #4 Rams beat #1 49ers, Rams is a quality team who could easily win it all. Just like the NFL, if you make the playoffs, you have a chance to win it all. Also, even though the #2 Raiders were beaten by the #3 Ravens, statistically it was not an upset at all--but he got the automatic #2 for winning the West.
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| 120 | Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 10:25
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Thats true - certainly only the cream of the crop makes its. 8 out of 24 teams is equivalent to only 4 making it in a standard sized league.
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| 121 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 22:48
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Slizz definitely has plans on winning again this week.
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| 122 | slizz@blackberry
ID: 219562614
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 23:55
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:). Unfortunately I laid a huge egg in week 9 (or was it 10). Than of course I win out and am riding a 5 game streak...
Statement for next year...and now I have 3 qbs! Make me an offer!
Ideally I'd like to keep orton (bc I'm a bears fan and all)
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| 123 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 12:08
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Spotting my opponent nearly 20 points before my guys go today is problematic. Add to the mix all of the injuries and uncertainties and I'll be holding my breath for awhile. Really hope I score a lot today so it doesn't come down to needing a big game from Berrian tomorrow.
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| 124 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 15:22
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Unbelievable how close the games are this week to this point.
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| 125 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 17:19
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Philly DST, Q. Mikell got an INT then fumbled it back to teh offense. If anyone has either of these two playing they will be adjusted.
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| 126 | Great One
ID: 201155199
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 19:25
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Anyone get screwed with Westbrook's kneeling at the 1 yd line and giving up the TD?!
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| 127 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 19:27
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I did in RIFC AAA1. Could be the difference in 3rd place and winning it all. In fact there is a strong chance of that. Now I need some FGs by Gould tomorrow in that league. Playing DS too.
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| 128 | slizz@blackberry
ID: 219562614
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 19:34
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I did!!!! Now I gotta sweat out my matchup with wiggs in 101 (advance to the finals) on mnf bc of that.
Kyle Orton and Bernard Berrian vs. Chester taylor with a 14 pt lead. So stupid to bench big ben. I'd have a 31 pt lead all but locking it up.
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| 129 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 23:33
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RE: 126
12 point swing for me. Not only did I lose the 6 for the TD, but that also saved 6 points for the Dallas DST who I am facing this week. I would only be down 1 point with Urlacher vs Greenway tomorrow, instead I'm down 13. Thanks for nothing Westbrook.
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| 130 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 01:11
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Well I feel very lucky to be playing for the championship. Who would've known?!?! Certainly not me. Fargas hasn't been horrible, but certinaly hasn't helped me and now he reportedly has a sprained ligament and it appears that Rhodes will be starting next week. Oh great. Another wasted trade. Betts has been on my bench the past two wees and of course he scored a TD each week...his first two of the year. Now that I'll have to start him again, he'll prob be back to his old ways.
Not to look a gift horse in the mouth. My team overall has been incredibly consistent. Not that my players really have been, but each week it seems different players step up and do well for me--while others go in the tank. So while I won't have many high scores, you'll usually need a good week to beat me. In fact, a good week will likely beat me. Barring negative games from bj's remaining two players, it looks like the only team to beat me from the NFC South (and just BARELY beat me at that) will be my opponent next week.
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| 131 | TB
ID: 111048300
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 01:45
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Ref, great season. From any other player it would seem like a Cinderella season, but you always seem to find a way to be competitive and win. I don't really know who will be repping the NFC, but I do know I will be pulling for you to win another ring.
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| 132 | blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 14:30
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Assuming I make it through tonight (would certainly take something crazy not to), I can't believe my collection of scrubs made it to the final. Pretty weird year in fantasy football - it's always a crapshoot, but seemed even more so this year. I guess I was fairly lucky to not have too many significant injuries, save for Terry Glenn (a last minute trade and a keeper for me) and DJ Hackett (my first draft pick).
I guess many of my guys have outperformed my expectations, especially lately; J. Lewis, C. Taylor, T. Romo and maybe R. Wayne. The Bears D really dropped off and my IDP players have been unspectacular but consistent.
I hope Romo's thumb is OK for next week - I think I'll need him.
Good luck Ref!
PS: now watch C. Taylor fumble the first play, get hurt, leave the game and the Bears give up 100 points tonight, leaving me with the loss.
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| 133 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 14:38
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I hate that Fargas is likely out. Would much rather both of us be at full strength and have 'may the best team win' kind of thing happening. But in the end, all anyone will remember is the winner. So best of luck to you as well (assuming the worst of luck ever doesn't happen to you tonight). I really thought that CT was primed to take down the league this year.
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| 134 | AZ Cardinals
ID: 37262119
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 18:34
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STL- I'm rooting for C Taylor to fumble, get hut and Kyle Orton light up the scoreboard....
Ok- done dreaming-
Of all weeks to lay an egg--F!!!
I will send Congrats when it's official!
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| 135 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 10:57
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