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0 Subject: The Hardcore Keeper League: Season Discussion

Posted by: APerfect10
- Leader [535572315] Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 13:51

2003 Offseason Discussion

Official League Website

2003 Players List download in MS Excel XP (updated daily)

2003 Draft Discussion I

2003 Draft Discussion II

2003 Draft Thread I (Rounds 1 - 5)

2003 Draft Thread II (Rounds 6 - 10)

2003 Draft Thread III (Rounds 11 - 15)

2003 Draft Thread IV (Rounds 16 - 23)



**I have archived last years discussion threads. If you need access to them, please contact me.

1APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 13:53
Notes:

- Please submit waiver claims via the website. Submissions via email will not be honored.
- Lineup submission for week 1 is by the start of the first game, 9pm EST on Thursday.
- Waiver's this first week will run from noon EST 9/2 - 9am EST 9/3 (36 hours prior to first kickoff)
2Bags @ work
      ID: 87482816
      Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 18:26
AP10 is there a way that our waiver requests can not be posted. I just don't think that everyone should be able to see who you are trying to pick up. Maybe I did something wrong with the way I claimed people off of waivers.

Thanks for your help the site looks great.
3Bags @ work
      ID: 87482816
      Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 18:27
One other thing, how do we take a player off of our waiver list? I would like to take one off and add another.
4APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 18:42
Our league has operated on open waiver requests. If people would like this changed that is fine by me, but that is how it had been done.

Email me with your details...
5Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 4859218
      Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 20:07
I am on vacation with limited web access. Please drop James Stewart, and pick up A Olandis Gary B Thomas Jones C Shawn Bryson. Thank you.
6wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 27830218
      Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 20:59
i would like to put in my claim for gary too and drop lamar smith.
7APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 21:18
Heh...the whole league wants to claim Gary...
8beebop
      ID: 2682424
      Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 21:21
Knew i shoulda taken him with my last pick ;)

Oh well.
9Nerfherders
      ID: 308512415
      Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 11:11
Why? I thought Gary was with Buffalo? Something wrong with Henry?
10IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 12:29
gary is now replacing the injured stewart in detroit, traded for an undisclosed draft pick.

anyway, guys, what's wrong with mike?
we're 48 hours away from the start of the season and someone still has to complete his team?
am i missing something?
11APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 14:26
Who knows where Mike is...
12dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 19:17
Derek, whats the word on the prizes? How will the payouts work?
13APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 20:43
Shoot, good question that I've been meaning to answer...

$6 x 10 teams = $60 to work with.

Suggestions...
$6 Regular season winner
$6 Third Prize Tourn.
$18 Second Place Tourn.
$30 Overall winner

14APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 20:44
Also, I only counted 10 teams because I have yet to receive money from beebop/LAZIO.
16IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Thu, Sep 04, 2003, 09:17
ap 10 my problem is that to send you 10 bucks i've to pay a fixed fee of another 10 bucks.
is it the same if i send you euros?
if it's not the same i'll work to find another way but it should take time.....i assure you that i'm in for the prizes, it's just a fact of finding the way to send the money.
anyway, what if mike doesn't show up?
18APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Sep 04, 2003, 09:33
wiggs, the waiver deadline has passed since we need 36 hours for processing. Games start at 9pm tonight therefore the waiver deadline ended Wednesday morning at 9am. You will need to wait until the waiver period starts again which will be Monday night at 11:59:59pm.

Attention:
I will NOT accept transactions via email or this site, please submit your transactions via the league website. If you are having a problem and/or need to clarify feel free to email me. Also, if you want to put in 5 claims to make sure you get one, please enter them in the site according to their priority. First entered = #1 priority. Last entered = lowest priority.

Thank you...
19wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 27830218
      Thu, Sep 04, 2003, 09:38
derek, i know i cant get him for this week, but i just thought i would throw it out there so i would hopefully get him next week.
20APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Sep 04, 2003, 09:47
wiggs, you can enter it in the site now so you dont forget. However, it will not be processed until noon on Wednesday...
21Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 4859218
      Thu, Sep 04, 2003, 19:01
I am unable to access email or use the site (dunno why, I keep getting errors... I think the computer I have access to has a virus that prevents javascript or forms or something like that). So, this is my only option for waiver claims until Sept. 16th. I hope you will allow this exemption and please process the claims I posted back on Tuesday (post #5). Thank you.

If anyone is curious where I'm at, I'm in the wilderness in and around Lake Tahoe... working at the following event: www.subaruprimalquest.com
22dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Thu, Sep 04, 2003, 19:03
Derek, could you explain what you mean by Second Place Tourn and Third Prize Tourn?
23beebop
      ID: 2682424
      Thu, Sep 04, 2003, 19:20
I think its the different playoff parts at the end of the season, like toilet bowl, etc.
Correct me if im wrong, im just making a guess.
24APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Sep 04, 2003, 19:21
Doug, I processed your claim. Have you been able to set your lineup? If not, email me your starters...
25APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Sep 04, 2003, 19:30
dgrooves, at the end of the season there are three different bowls. Now that I think about it more, I think I should revise that since the regular season winner will either finish 1st or 2nd in tourney/bowls. So maybe there shouldnt be a regular season prize since they will already claim some money.

How about this...

1st overall (winner of 1st & 2nd reg. season)=$24
2nd overall (loser to 1st & 2nd reg. season)=$12
3rd overall (winner of 3rd & 4th reg. season)=$12
4th overall (loser of 3rd & 4th reg. season)=$6
5th overall (winner of 5th & 6th reg. season)=$6

My thinking behind as many teams as possible involved in the money (atleast getting their $$ back) Obviously this cuts into the top prize, but since our money pool isnt that large, you cant expect much. While the 2nd ovr & 3rd ovr get the same cash is that the 2nd ovr could actually win $24, while 3rd's max is $12. The same logic applies to the payouts for #4 & #5...

(This money does not include beebop or LAZIO). If I receive their money sometime soon (week 3 latest) I will add their money to the overall winner & runner up. Maybe a $8/$4 distribution...
26beebop
      ID: 2682424
      Thu, Sep 04, 2003, 19:56
Im sending it today, so you should get it some time next week.
27ART of MONK
      ID: 13530917
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 11:00
I think we need to atleast set Mike's lineup, no free wins this year. I say we just let AP10 set the lineup sunday morning if Mike is still not around.
28ART of MONK
      ID: 13530917
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 11:07
Also it looks like the scoring for ST is not getting updated.
29Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 4859218
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 14:00
Fiedler
Faulk
Faulk
Moss
Booker
Keyshawn
Sharpe
Rice
Taylor
Holliday
Bulluck
Peterson
Holmes
Sharper
Green
Wesley
Janikowski
Lions ST
49ers OL
30dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 18:28
Derek, I must have a mental block or something because I still dont understand what youre proposing. You said you want the prize money to be determined by the playoff results, but it seems like the regular season has something to do with the payouts: "(winner of 1st & 2nd reg. season)". I also dont understand how the 2nd overall could get $24.

Maybe we should just say the league champion (winner of the playoffs) gets $xx. The runner-up (the team who lost in the championship game) gets $xx. Winner of the 3rd place game gets $xx. Loser of the 3rd place game gets $xx. Winner of the ".500 bowl" gets $xx. etc.
31APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 08:51
That is what I said. 1st overall = grand chamption. It really isnt hard to read ;)

1st overall =$24
2nd overall =$12
3rd overall =$12
4th overall =$6
5th overall =$6
32APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 08:52
The 1st overall player/grand champion obviously is the winner of the game versus the (#1 reg. season/#2 reg. season teams)...that is all I was saying.
33dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 09:09
But that game doesnt have to be between the #1 and #2 regular season teams. 4 teams make that bowl, so it could be #3 vs. #4.

The comments about the regular season finishes confused me as they dont really have anything to with the payouts.
34APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 09:42
oops. You are right.
35mike
      ID: 4284468
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 09:46
sorry all, stuff came up. I'm here though.
36mike
      ID: 58857612
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 14:43
k I put waiver claims in to fill my roster, guess they take effect next week.

didn't think I could submit a roster with the early game, but looks like I can. so I'm doing that (leaving out jets/skins players of course)
37mike
      ID: 58857612
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 15:05
ok they won't let me put a roster in. past the deadline

was there a default one for me or do I post one up in here?
38APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 18:14
Since the deadline was 9pm on Thursday, you will need to post your lineup here for me to manually enter.
39mike
      ID: 58857612
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 18:20
k thanks, I'm on it now

brooks
henry
george
jackson
galloway
ferguson
crumpler
strahan
kearse
wiley
lewis
bell
s.barber
r.barber
brown
wire
panthers st
eagles ol
vanderjagt
40APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 18:29
Alright, I posted your lineup.
41Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 19836617
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 18:41
Sucks being out of touch, but I just got online for a few minutes and I noticed a potential problem with this past weeks waiver claims. It appears that Rolling Thunder processed a claim on RB O Gary, but this would have been an illegal/invalid claim as he now has 5 RBs (only 4 are allowed), thus Gary should have gone to the team with the next highest priority instead. Unless I am misunderstanding something from the website, or if his initial waiver claim on Gary included an RB drop but that drop didn't get processed, etc.
42wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 27830218
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 18:44
thanks for pointing that out doug. I really appriciate it.
43APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 08:31
Doug, another member already pointed this out also. Unfortunately the software did not catch it therefore I need to reverse his claim & give Gary to the next team in line which would've been Italian Eagles. I would have added Gary to LAZIO's team prior to gametime but I need to know which player would be dropped...
44IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 4382253
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 13:05
so you need to know which player i would drop to take gary, right?
mmmmmhhh who would you drop, bucklater or emmith?
45APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 16:36
Yes, I need to know which RB you would drop...
46ART of MONK
      ID: 13530917
      Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 10:57
I am a little confused on when a player is claimed? I know how to claim a player on the website but how do I designate which player I want to release?
47APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 11:49
First waive the player you would want to release if your pickup went through. Second, add the player you would like to claim. If your claim goes through, the player you waived will be dropped. If your claim does not go through, your "waived" player will remain on your roster.
48dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 19:35
Derek, I waived the wrong ST on my team, but I cant figure out how to undo the move. If my claim goes through, can you not waive ST-Ari? Thanks.
49IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 3082497
      Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 08:28
so i drop bucklater to make room for gary, is it ok?
50APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 11:18
LAZIO, ok, will be processed.

All submitted transactions will be posted around 6pm EST tonight. (I have class all day!) I will also get the scores adjusted and the final scores will be posted in this forum. (I dont think I have the ability to adjust the boxscores like I did last year, however I can adjust the standings W/L & Pts, so final boxscores will be posted in this thread while the standings should be correct...
51APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 12:23
All waiver claims have been posted under League News...

Final Week 1 Results will be posted tonight...
52Bags
      ID: 217221719
      Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 13:12
Quick question, is 31 the max number of player we can have on our team without any on the IR?
53Nerfherders
      ID: 43818813
      Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 14:49
OL seems to be out of whack on both teams in my game. I should have 13 and Art should have 8. It looks like we are getting 8 points for yards regardless. Please fix this, thanks.
54Nerfherders
      ID: 43818813
      Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 15:10
Okay, I looked at everyone's OL and did the scoring for each:

Klingon - see below
Long Beach - 3
Art - 8
Nerf - 13
beebop - 4
Cowboys - 9
Eagles - 17
Sanwhich - 9
Ike - see below
Birds - 17
Thunder - 8
Puppets - 9

Ike and Doug seem to have the same OL starting (SF - 19points). Ummm. I'm pretty sure that's WRONG.

Looking at the draft, I can see that Doug drafted SF OL, but Ike did not. I also see that beebop drafted Buffalo OL, before drafting Bears or Cowboys OL. Hmm.. better double check the end of the draft.
55Nerfherders
      ID: 43818813
      Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 15:18
Did some more checking. LOL. Okay Doug picked SF OL at 18.11. Ike picked them at 20.1, then repicked 20.1 as Raiders OL. BUT, he was given SF OL. Theres som very weird stuff at the end of the draft.
56APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 17:50
Quick question, is 31 the max number of player we can have on our team without any on the IR?

Correct. 33 if you have 2 on IR.

Nerf, yes, the draft got messy as soon as I didnt have computer access. I'll have to look into that and a solution.
57APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 21:12
Nerf, your OL scores include passing TD's. Last year, didnt we clarify OL scoring was only for rushing TD's. I'm pretty sure we did but somehow it didnt get clarified further in the rules...
58APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 21:49
Week 1 Results
Furious Midget Klingon Hordes   Long Beach Lightning
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
17 SF OL Ol-Niners,Sf   Green,Trent QB KC 12
16 KC DB Wesley,Greg   Williams,Ricky RB MIA 20
21 MIA QB Fiedler,Jay   Portis,Clinton RB DEN 32
8 DET LB Holmes,Earl   Muhammad,Muhsin WR CAR 8
16 OAK PK Janikowski,Seba   Coles,Laveranue WR WAS 15
12 NE RB Faulk,Kevin   Harrison,Marvin WR IND 13
31 KC DL Holliday,Vonnie   Franks,Bubba TE GB 8
24 DET ST St-Lions,Det   Daniels,Phillip DL CHI 9
18 CHI DB Green,Michael   Ogunleye,Adewal DL MIA 1
5 DEN TE Sharpe,Shannon   Freeney,Dwight DL IND 2
10 CHI WR Booker,Marty   Williams,Roy DB DAL 13
20 TB DL Rice,Simeon   Jammer,Quentin DB SD 17
12 JAC LB Peterson,Mike   Minter,Mike DB CAR 12
4 GB DB Sharper,Darren   Smith,Derek LB SF 15
14 TB WR Johnson,Keyshaw   Diggs,Nail LB GB 19
10 TEN LB Bulluck,Keith   Arrington,Lavar LB WAS 14
0 MIA DL Taylor,Jason   Elam,Jason PK DEN 22
11 STL RB Faulk,Marshall   St-Patriots,Ne ST NE 30
30 MIN WR Moss,Randy   Ol-Rams,Stl OL STL 2
279               264
                 
Art of Monk   Nerfherders
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
17 PIT PK Reed,Jeff   Garcia,Jeff QB SF 27
5 HOU DB Brown,Eric   Canidate,Trung RB WAS 4
14 CIN ST St-Bengals,Cin   Staley,Duce RB PHI 9
9 NO OL Ol-Saints,No   Stokes,J.j WR JAC 10
11 OAK TE Jolley,Doug   Boston,David WR SD 4
14 WAS LB Trotter,Jeremia   Price,Peerless WR ATL 5
12 BUF QB Bledsoe,Drew   Miller,Billy TE HOU 7
4 KC LB Maslowski,Mike   Kalu,Ndukwe DL PHI 3
5 ARI DB Wilson,Adrian   Ellis,Greg DL DAL 11
6 CIN DL Smith,Justin   Little,Leonard DL STL 19
8 WAS WR Gardner,Rod   Thomas,Fred DB NO 6
4 GB WR Driver,Donald   Kelly,Brian DB TB 17
18 SEA LB Brown,Chad   Dawkins,Brian DB PHI 15
9 SF DL Carter,Andre   Thomas,Zach LB MIA 14
11 BAL RB Lewis,Jamal   Barton,Eric LB OAK 20
21 STL DB Archuleta,Adam   Edwards,Donnie LB SD 19
14 SEA WR Robinson,Koren   Carney,John PK NO 7
20 NO RB Mcallister,Deuc   St-Jets,Nyj ST NYJ 14
12 CAR DL Peppers,Julius   Ol-Chiefs,Kc OL KC 14
214               225
                 
beebop   Cowboys Homer
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
17 TEN QB Mcnair,Steve   Culpepper,Daunt QB MIN 24
1 PIT RB Bettis,Jerome   Davis,Stephen RB CAR 13
14 NYG RB Barber,Tiki   Taylor,Fred RB JAC 17
1 DEN WR Lelie,Ashley   Chambers,Chris WR MIA 31
30 PIT WR Ward,Hines   Stallworth,Dont WR NO 18
18 SF WR Owens,Terrell   Burress,Plaxico WR PIT 17
4 MIA TE Mcmichael,Randy   Heap,Todd TE BAL 19
11 OAK DL Coleman,Roderic   Williams,Pat DL BUF 3
14 DEN DL Pryce,Trevor   Wistrom,Grant DL STL 3
4 IND DL Scioli,Brad   Smith,Aaron DL PIT 9
11 OAK DB Woodson,Rod   Jackson,Dexter DB ARI 7
30 DET DB Bly,Dre   Lassiter,Kwamie DB ARI 18
8 WAS DB Bailey,Champ   Schulters,Lance DB TEN 16
13 BAL LB Boulware,Peter   Nguyen,Dat LB DAL 12
12 NE LB Colvin,Rosevelt   Simmons,Anthony LB SEA 24
9 CAR LB Witherspoon,Wil   Fletcher,London LB BUF 22
4 MIA PK Mare,Olindo   Gramatica,Marti PK TB 8
-16 BUF ST St-Bills,Buf   St-Browns,Cle ST CLE 4
3 CHI OL Ol-Bears,Chi   Ol-Dolphins,Mia OL MIA 6
188               271
                 
Italian Eagles   Sandwich Town Statics
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
2 IND QB Manning,Peyton   St-Panthers,Car ST CAR 26
8 ARI RB Smith,Emmitt   Ol-Eagles,Phi OL PHI 9
13 IND RB James,Edgerrin   Barber,Shawn LB KC 13
9 MIN WR Bates,Dwayne   Ferguson,Robert WR GB 11
1 OAK WR Porter,Jerry   Vanderjagt,Mike PK IND 16
11 DEN WR Smith,Rod   Galloway,Joey WR DAL 26
2 NE TE Fauria,Christia   Wire,Coy DB BUF 2
9 TEN DL Carter,Kevin   Crumpler,Alge TE ATL 29
3 PHI DL Walker,Darwin   Wiley,Marcellus DL SD 5
18 NYG DL Holmes,Kenny   Bell,Kendrell LB PIT 15
12 NE DB Law,Ty   Brown,Mike DB CHI 17
10 PIT DB Scott,Chad   Jackson,Darrell WR SEA 8
8 DEN DB Oneal,Deltha   Kearse,Jevon DL TEN 10
30 DEN LB Gold,Ian   George,Eddie RB TEN 9
13 HOU LB Sharper,Jamie   Strahan,Michael DL NYG 16
7 PIT LB Gildon,Jason   Barber,Ronde DB TB 15
11 STL PK Wilkins,Jeff   Brooks,Aaron QB NO 7
-4 HOU ST St-Texans,Hou   Henry,Travis RB BUF 23
17 DEN OL Ol-Broncos,Den   Lewis,Ray LB BAL 16
180               273
                 
Ike44   APerfect10
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
4 OAK OL Ol-Raiders,Oak   Brady,Tom QB NE -8
6 ATL WR Finneran,Brian   Garner,Charlie RB OAK 27
14 NE DL Seymour,Richard   Holmes,Priest RB KC 36
0 JAC DB Mccree,Marlon   Taylor,Travis WR BAL 14
8 KC DL Hicks,Eric   Rogers,Charles WR DET 20
2 WAS ST St-Redskins,Was   Toomer,Amani WR NYG 11
16 ATL PK Feely,Jay   Gonzalez,Tony TE KC 5
26 MIN LB Claiborne,Chris   Thomas,Adalius DL BAL 11
8 IND TE Pollard,Marcus   Grant,Charles DL NO 27
15 DEN LB Wilson,Al   Abraham,John DL NYJ 27
12 NYG DB Williams,Shaun   Knight,Sammy DB NO 13
19 GB DL Gbaja-Biamila,K   Harrison,Rodney DB NE 17
21 CIN WR Johnson,Chad   Reed,Edward DB BAL 17
15 NO DB Bellamy,Jay   Simoneau,Mark LB PHI 10
12 CLE RB Green,William   Brooks,Derrick LB TB 13
31 BUF LB Spikes,Takeo   Urlacher,Brian LB CHI 20
24 STL WR Holt,Torry   Akers,David PK PHI 0
5 CIN RB Dillon,Corey   St-Saints,No ST NO 20
7 STL QB Warner,Kurt   Ol-Vikings,Min OL MIN 13
245               293
                 
Rolling Thunder   Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
7 PHI QB Mcnabb,Donovan   Gannon,Rich QB OAK 22
2 NE RB Smith,Antowain   Alexander,Shaun RB SEA 25
10 SD RB Tomlinson,Ladai   Green,Ahman RB GB 27
12 BUF WR Moulds,Eric   Horn,Joe WR NO 21
25 TEN WR Mason,Derrick   Morgan,Quincy WR CLE 2
20 STL WR Bruce,Isaac   Rice,Jerry WR OAK 8
3 BUF DL Schobel,Aaron   Jones,Freddie TE ARI 25
  TB DL Sapp,Warren   Rucker,Michael DL CAR 29
7 ATL DL Kerney,Patrick   Henderson,John DL JAC 13
24 DAL DB Woodson,Darren   Douglas,Hugh DL JAC 16
10 BAL DB Mcalister,Chris   Tongue,Reggie DB SEA 19
10 DAL DB Newman,Terence   Marion,Brock DB MIA 10
16 BAL LB Hartwell,Edgerton   Lewis,Michael DB PHI 7
6 NYJ LB Lewis,Mo   Cowart,Sam LB NYJ 16
6 ATL LB Brooking,Keith   Moreno,Zeke LB SD 13
8 GB PK Longwell,Ryan   Barnett,Nick LB GB 6
6 DAL ST St-Cowboys,Dal   Andersen,Morten PK KC 18
7 BAL OL Ol-Ravens,Bal   St-Cards,Ari ST ARI 8
          Ol-Titans,Ten OL TEN 7
179               292

RED results = changed
GREEN results = unchanged
59wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 13812714
      Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 21:52
WOW, i got smoked. nice week Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters
60APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 21:55
Luckily, no W/L results were affected by the changes. I will try to email tech support and hopefully they can get this stuff fixed, but I have a bad feeling I might have to manually fix the stuff by hand on a weekly basis. On the league website, the boxscores FINAL scores are now correct, however the individual scoring is incorrect. Also, the standings have been updated and are correct.

You have until midnight EST on Thursday to file any scoring discrepencies. All scores will become final at that time. Pleaes double check your scores. I'm 99% sure that QB/RB/WR/TE/DL/LB/DB/PK are correct. I manually changed the only positions which were incorrect, OL & ST.

I will once again state how scores for OL & ST are scored.

OL - Point are determined by rushing yards (in the rules section). Also, only rushing TD's count as 1 pt and sacks count as -1 pt.

ST formula = (truncate(return yards gained/10))*2 - (truncate(return yards allowed/15))*2 + 6 * return TD's scored - 3 * return TD's allowed
61wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 13812714
      Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 22:03
ap10 I have a complaint. i think you should double my score, just to make it respectable :)
62Nerfherders
      ID: 43818813
      Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 02:41
ST - we added blocked kicks this year.
63APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 10:29
ugh...you are right.
64APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 11:14
Ok, went back and none of our ST's had a blocked punt or blocked FG so those numbers stand.
65ART of MONK
      ID: 13530917
      Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 12:51
What constitues a blocked FG because Carolina got a big piece of the ball?
66Nerfherders
      ID: 308512415
      Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 13:55
Stats are sketchy, but from what I can tell there where 4 blocked kicks last week. Bears and Jaguars blocked a punt, Carolina blocked a field goal, and Atlanta blocked an extra point. I assume a 'blocked kick' takes all three kinds of kicks into account.
67APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 17:11
On NFL.com, I can only find Blocked Field Goals & Blocked Punts, therefore if you want credit for a blocked XP you will need to let me know your team blocked an XP...unless if someone can provide me links...

Blocked Field Goals

Blocked Punts

3 pts will be added to Mike's team for their blocked FG.
68Nerfherders
      ID: 308512415
      Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 18:55
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL_20030907_ATL@DAL

Under Defensive Statistics, Special Teams.

Other than that, I dont know. NFL.com doesnt seem to like to add extra points to field goal statistics.
69APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 20:13
Nerf, that was my point exactly. I'm not going to go through boxscores to determine blocked XP's, that would take me way to long, therefore someone will either need to provide me with a link or let me know when their team blocked an XP.
70Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Sep 11, 2003, 13:39
dgrooves - I just noticed that you got blocked from posting. Unfortunately, you got snagged in a block that was set up for someone else (who evidently works - or at least worked - where you do!)

You should be able to post now. Sorry for the frustration.
71dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Thu, Sep 11, 2003, 17:48
Regarding post 57 (which TDs to count for OL scoring), we did discuss the issue last season. However, as the rules dont not say only rushing TDs, we decided to include rushing and passing TDs. That discussion can be found in posts 122 - 127 and 129 here. This issue was never raised during the offseason, so I dont see why we are scoring OL differently than we did last season.

Dont worry about it Guru. It was the first time I tried to post from work so I figured it was just a firewall issue.
72APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Sep 11, 2003, 18:25
Ok, you are right. I will get those points fixed. It will not make any difference in W/L outcomes however...
73Bags@ work
      ID: 319561820
      Fri, Sep 12, 2003, 22:34
AP10 I a having trouble setting my roster for my team. I keep getting a message saying that it is past the line up deadline.

Do you want me to post my new lineup here and have you change it manually?
74APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 1455222
      Sat, Sep 13, 2003, 00:16
Shoot. I forgot to change the Thurs. 9pm deadline from last week. Give it another shot now...
75Bags
      ID: 217221719
      Sat, Sep 13, 2003, 00:44
Cool, it's working now. Although I should probably stick with my first choice, they seem to work better for me.
76Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 3188134
      Sat, Sep 13, 2003, 05:26
Sorry to have to do this again, last time, promise

QB Fiedler
RB Faulk and Faulk
WR Booker, Johnson, Moss
TE Sharpe
OL Steelers
PK Janikowski
ST Lions
DL Holliday, Rice, Taylor
LB Holmes, Peterson, Bulluck
DB Wesley, Green, Sharper
77APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 1455222
      Sat, Sep 13, 2003, 13:32
beebop, I received your payment.
Mike, I havent received your payment....
78beebop
      ID: 2682424
      Sat, Sep 13, 2003, 19:20
Cool..... i wasnt sure if i put it in the right box.....lol.
79APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 1455222
      Sun, Sep 14, 2003, 01:29
Just got front row tickets to the Ravens/Browns game tomorrow! I'm so excited! :)
80dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Sun, Sep 14, 2003, 12:44
With an apology in advance to wiggs :), Ive got something to complain about.

From the league rules: "Additionally, if a player on your roster misses an entire game, he may be placed on injured reserve (with a maximum of two players on IR per team)."

Robert Ferguson is on IR right now. He has yet to miss a game and will likely start this week.
One team was allowed to draft 6 DBs, even though the position limit is 5, because one of those players was injured. The rules, however, dont allow this; they only allow a player to be placed on IR after Week 1.

You may be saying who cares if a player is on IR too early? Well, mike was able to pick up Javon Walker, now his 6th WR, off of waivers becuase hes got Ferguson on IR. The other team (may have) prevented some of us from drafting a DB we wanted.
81Bags
      ID: 217221719
      Sun, Sep 14, 2003, 16:10
AP10, was Jamal Lewis any good in the game?
82IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 458341415
      Sun, Sep 14, 2003, 17:56
hey ap10 i see from the matchups that i have a player less than the normal......i'm pretty sure i selected the right team, so why?
83IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 458341415
      Mon, Sep 15, 2003, 06:56
so, ap10, why sharper is not on my lineup? it's a close game with beebop, so his points should be really importants.......
84Nerfherders
      ID: 308512415
      Mon, Sep 15, 2003, 13:40
Yeah there's lots of weird stuff going on. Was the fiasco of the last few draft rounds fixed?
85APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Mon, Sep 15, 2003, 14:21
LAZIO, after your submission a copy of your lineup is sent to my email address so I will cross check it.

Nerf, yes.
86APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Tue, Sep 16, 2003, 17:46
LAZIO, somehow you missed starting sharper. I double checked the email. The good news is that you won anyways...

Waiver claim's have been posted
87APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Tue, Sep 16, 2003, 18:49
Week 2 Final Results
Art of Monk   Furious Midget Klingon Hordes
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
1 DET QB Harrington,Joey   Ol-Steelers,Pit OL PIT 5
41 BAL RB Lewis,Jamal   Wesley,Greg DB KC 18
20 NO RB Mcallister,Deuc   Fiedler,Jay QB MIA 19
8 KC WR Morton,Johnnie   Holmes,Earl LB DET 11
26 WAS WR Gardner,Rod   Janikowski,Seba PK OAK 19
0 SEA WR Robinson,Koren   Faulk,Kevin RB NE 11
2 OAK TE Jolley,Doug   Holliday,Vonnie DL KC 2
4 CIN DL Smith,Justin   St-Lions,Det ST DET 26
7 SF DL Carter,Andre   Green,Michael DB CHI 10
0 CAR DL Peppers,Julius   Sharpe,Shannon TE DEN 19
3 TEN DB Williams,Tank   Booker,Marty WR CHI 3
8 SF DB Parrish,Tony   Rice,Simeon DL TB 28
14 STL DB Archuleta,Adam   Peterson,Mike LB JAC 14
11 KC LB Maslowski,Mike   Sharper,Darren DB GB 14
10 WAS LB Trotter,Jeremia   Johnson,Keyshaw WR TB 19
19 SEA LB Brown,Chad   Bulluck,Keith LB TEN 20
15 PIT PK Reed,Jeff   Taylor,Jason DL MIA 5
16 CIN ST St-Bengals,Cin   Faulk,Marshall RB STL 18
12 NO OL Ol-Saints,No   Moss,Randy WR MIN 7
217               268
                 
Nerfherders   Long Beach Lightning
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
19 SF QB Garcia,Jeff   Green,Trent QB KC 5
8 WAS RB Canidate,Trung   Williams,Ricky RB MIA 25
8 PHI RB Staley,Duce   Portis,Clinton RB DEN 12
1 JAC WR Stokes,J.j   Harrison,Marvin WR IND 14
0 SD WR Boston,David   Coles,Laveranue WR WAS 35
4 ATL WR Price,Peerless   Boldin,Anquan WR ARI 14
4 HOU TE Miller,Billy   Franks,Bubba TE GB 6
5 MIN DL Mixon,Kenny   Freeney,Dwight DL IND 10
22 DAL DL Ellis,Greg   Ogunleye,Adewal DL MIA 7
10 STL DL Little,Leonard   Daniels,Phillip DL CHI 11
9 BUF DB Clements,Nate   Williams,Roy DB DAL 9
11 NO DB Thomas,Fred   Jammer,Quentin DB SD 11
27 TB DB Kelly,Brian   Doss,Michael DB IND 7
21 MIA LB Thomas,Zach   Arrington,Lavar LB WAS 20
18 OAK LB Barton,Eric   Smith,Derek LB SF 18
7 SD LB Edwards,Donnie   Fujita,Scott LB KC 9
13 NO PK Carney,John   Elam,Jason PK DEN 24
8 NYJ ST St-Jets,Nyj   St-Patriots,Ne ST NE 8
18 KC OL Ol-Chiefs,Kc   Ol-Rams,Stl OL STL 6
213               251
                 
Sandwich Town Statics   Cowboys Homer
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
19 NO QB Brooks,Aaron   Culpepper,Daunt QB MIN 18
4 TEN RB George,Eddie   Zereoue,Amos RB PIT 7
21 BUF RB Henry,Travis   Taylor,Fred RB JAC 13
4 GB WR Walker,Javon   Chambers,Chris WR MIA 13
7 DAL WR Galloway,Joey   Stallworth,Dont WR NO 12
28 SEA WR Jackson,Darrell   Burress,Plaxico WR PIT 24
20 ATL TE Crumpler,Alge   Heap,Todd TE BAL 2
10 SD DL Wiley,Marcellus   Johnson,Joe DL GB 6
9 TEN DL Kearse,Jevon   Wistrom,Grant DL STL 6
2 NYG DL Strahan,Michael   Smith,Aaron DL PIT 6
17 KC LB Barber,Shawn   Stoutmire,Omar DB NYG 15
6 PIT LB Bell,Kendrell   Lassiter,Kwamie DB ARI 12
27 BAL LB Lewis,Ray   Schulters,Lance DB TEN 9
11 TB DB Barber,Ronde   Simmons,Anthony LB SEA 12
7 CHI DB Brown,Mike   Foreman,Jay LB HOU 24
12 STL DB Williams,Aeneas   Fletcher,London LB BUF 8
26 IND PK Vanderjagt,Mike   Gramatica,Marti PK TB 6
16 CAR ST St-Panthers,Car   St-Browns,Cle ST CLE 6
3 PHI OL Ol-Eagles,Phi   Ol-Packers,Gb OL GB 19
249               218
                 
Italian Eagles   beebop
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
14 GB QB Favre,Brett   Johnson,Brad QB TB 16
2 BUF RB Gary,Olandis   Bettis,Jerome RB PIT 0
4 HOU RB Mack,Stacey   Barber,Tiki RB NYG 5
3 MIA WR Thompson,Derriu   Johnson,Kevin WR CLE 15
3 MIN WR Bates,Dwayne   Ward,Hines WR PIT 23
12 DEN WR Smith,Rod   Owens,Terrell WR SF 15
9 NYG TE Shockey,Jeremy   Mcmichael,Randy TE MIA 13
17 TEN DL Carter,Kevin   Haggans,Clark DL PIT 12
6 PHI DL Walker,Darwin   Pryce,Trevor DL DEN 2
16 NYG DL Holmes,Kenny   Coleman,Roderic DL OAK 1
8 NE DB Law,Ty   Harper,Nick DB IND 23
17 PIT DB Scott,Chad   Bailey,Champ DB WAS 4
15 DEN DB Oneal,Deltha   Bly,Dre DB DET 13
16 DEN LB Gold,Ian   Taylor,Ben LB CLE 9
4 PIT LB Gildon,Jason   Boulware,Peter LB BAL 5
14 STL PK Wilkins,Jeff   Colvin,Rosevelt LB NE 2
32 HOU ST St-Texans,Hou   Vinatieri,Adam PK NE 12
19 DEN OL Ol-Broncos,Den   St-Bears,Chi ST CHI 8
0 0 0 0   Ol-Cowboys,Dal OL DAL 8
211               186
                 
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters   Birds of Prey
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
4 OAK QB Gannon,Rich   Boller,Kyle QB BAL -3
22 GB RB Green,Ahman   Garner,Charlie RB OAK 14
14 SEA RB Alexander,Shaun   Holmes,Priest RB KC 32
8 OAK WR Rice,Jerry   Taylor,Travis WR BAL 4
3 CLE WR Morgan,Quincy   Toomer,Amani WR NYG 25
21 NO WR Horn,Joe   Rogers,Charles WR DET 7
9 ARI TE Jones,Freddie   Gonzalez,Tony TE KC 3
8 CAR DL Rucker,Michael   Abraham,John DL NYJ 14
4 JAC DL Douglas,Hugh   Grant,Charles DL NO 12
13 SEA DL Okeafor,Chike   Thomas,Adalius DL BAL 8
10 CLE DB Griffith,Robert   Reed,Edward DB BAL 33
10 MIA DB Marion,Brock   Harrison,Rodney DB NE 18
18 SEA DB Tongue,Reggie   Milloy,Lawyer DB NE 4
25 NYJ LB Cowart,Sam   Urlacher,Brian LB CHI 28
8 SF LB Winborn,Jamie   Brooks,Derrick LB TB 9
20 SD LB Moreno,Zeke   Simoneau,Mark LB PHI 18
10 KC PK Andersen,Morten   Akers,David PK PHI 9
24 ARI ST St-Cards,Ari   St-Saints,No ST NO -10
4 TEN OL Ol-Titans,Ten   Ol-Vikings,Min OL MIN 16
235               241
                 
Rolling Thunder   Ike44
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
0 PHI QB Mcnabb,Donovan   Bulger,Marc QB STL 15
10 SF RB Hearst,Garrison   Dillon,Corey RB CIN 15
16 SD RB Tomlinson,Ladai   Green,William RB CLE 3
19 TEN WR Mason,Derrick   Holt,Torry WR STL 18
12 STL WR Bruce,Isaac   Johnson,Chad WR CIN 21
26 BUF WR Moulds,Eric   Johnson,Andre WR HOU 12
0 BUF DL Schobel,Aaron   Pollard,Marcus TE IND 4
4 TB DL Sapp,Warren   Gbaja-Biamila,K DL GB 0
5 ATL DL Kerney,Patrick   Hicks,Eric DL KC 12
4 DAL DB Woodson,Darren   Seymour,Richard DL NE 7
8 BAL DB Mcalister,Chris   Bellamy,Jay DB NO 22
28 DAL DB Newman,Terence   Williams,Shaun DB NYG 17
10 BAL LB Hartwell,Edgerton   Woodson,Charles DB OAK 25
7 NYJ LB Lewis,Mo   Spikes,Takeo LB BUF 22
17 ATL LB Brooking,Keith   Claiborne,Chris LB MIN 18
14 GB PK Longwell,Ryan   Wilson,Al LB DEN 15
6 DAL ST St-Cowboys,Dal   Feely,Jay PK ATL 13
16 SEA OL Ol-Seahawks,Sea   St-Redskins,Was ST WAS -6
16 IND TE Clark,Dallas   Ol-Raiders,Oak OL OAK 14
218               247
88APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Tue, Sep 16, 2003, 18:49
You have until midnight EST on Thursday to file any scoring discrepencies. All scores will become final at that time. Pleaes double check your scores. I'm 99% sure that QB/RB/WR/TE/DL/LB/DB/PK are correct. I manually changed the only positions which were incorrect, OL & ST.
89IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 458341415
      Tue, Sep 16, 2003, 20:22
wow i won anyway, despite a ridiculous total of 24 from 2 rb and 3 wr......what a pathetic offense i have if i don't play the colts' duo......
90beebop
      ID: 2682424
      Wed, Sep 17, 2003, 03:37
Yea......nice matchup lazio. I had barely any defence in double digits, that sorta killed me.

Your bench killed mine aswell..... revenge will be sweet ;)
91APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Wed, Sep 17, 2003, 09:54
Corrections
+9 pts for Mike, Carolina had 2 blocked FG's + 1 blocked XP
92Nerfherders
      ID: 308512415
      Wed, Sep 17, 2003, 10:38
When your O-line outscores all your WR's combined, there's some serious problems. Why do I have so much trouble with offensive skill positions in this league?
93Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 31649212
      Wed, Sep 17, 2003, 18:50
Out of curiousity, why aren't everyone's players listed in the same order (by position)? Mainly it's Rolling Thunder (who has his TE listed at the end for some reason) and myself (FMKH, with players listed in seemingly random order). Anyway, just curious.

Also, Derek, could you send me an email with my league password? I'm back online now, but I don't know my password. If you sent it previously to my home address, then don't worry I'll just search my inbox when I get home tonight and I'm sure I'll find it. Thanks!
94APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Wed, Sep 17, 2003, 18:53
Doug, I'll resend your password.
95beebop
      ID: 2682424
      Thu, Sep 18, 2003, 03:49
Doug, what order do you do your lineup? I think it may list them in order of what you chose.
PCMIIW. But im pretty sure thats how its done.
96Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 31649212
      Thu, Sep 18, 2003, 13:08
I usually do it from top to bottom (QB to OL).

I didn't set my own lineup last week though (just posted it here). We'll see what happens this week...
97APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Sep 18, 2003, 15:46
Does the order really matter? lol.

The order is jumbled when I set the lineups via the commish tools. Wiggs wanted the same lineup as last week and Doug didnt have access therefore I had to manually set their lineups via commish controls. ;)
98Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 31649212
      Thu, Sep 18, 2003, 19:25
No, it doesn't really... although it's nice to compare how my WRs did vs. opponent or league WRs, etc. to see what are my stronger and weaker positions each week. A convenience, but not a huge deal.

BTW, Derek, I submitted some waiver claims, I tried to do them in order (if I get a given player, I drop the associated player, etc.)
99APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Sep 18, 2003, 21:33
Thats what the stats page is for. You can sort it many different ways. Linked below is the WR stats for week 2.

Sortible WR Stats - Week 2
100Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 2730280
      Fri, Sep 19, 2003, 02:52
Yeah, I use those for FAs, but not for the evaluation I'm talking about. (a) I only want to see starters, and (b) I want players grouped by team, not by score. That's what I use the "Results" page for, and that's why it's easier when they are grouped by position. Again, really not a big deal. Thanks for the link though.
101Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 2730280
      Fri, Sep 19, 2003, 03:03
An example would be that beebop DESTROYED Italian Eagles at the WR position (53-18) and had a 5 point advantage at the other offensive "skill" positions. But Italian Eagles clearly dominated and made up the difference in the OL/ST/K positions (65-28)... and so you could say the game was decided by the defense, where the Italian Eagles had the advantage (99-71... 28 point difference there, and it was a 25 point win overall). It's much easier to add those numbers when they're in order! =-)
102Nerfherders
      ID: 308512415
      Fri, Sep 19, 2003, 10:49
I have a spreadsheet with all of that information. I can post it each week if you like.
103IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 458341415
      Fri, Sep 19, 2003, 11:02
ap10 i definitely have problems in sending you 10 dollars.
would it be the same if i send you 10 euros?
or should i find another way to let you receive my money, for example paying you a tsn ultimate basket team?
104APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Fri, Sep 19, 2003, 11:16
LAZIO, I"m sure we can work something out. I'll consider your $$ paid for the time being.
105Nerfherders
      ID: 43818813
      Sun, Sep 21, 2003, 14:31
Ugh I completely spaced setting my lineups this week.
106APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Tue, Sep 23, 2003, 10:19
Nerfherders   Furious Midget Klingon Hordes
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
32 BUF DB Clements,Nate   Fiedler,Jay QB MIA 7
11 MIN DL Mixon,Kenny   Faulk,Marshall RB STL 4
5 JAC WR Stokes,J.j   Faulk,Kevin RB NE 10
16 NO DB Thomas,Fred   Wayne,Reggie WR IND 36
7 NO PK Carney,John   Johnson,Keyshaw WR TB 4
18 KC OL Ol-Chiefs,Kc   Moss,Randy WR MIN 11
18 NYJ ST St-Jets,Nyj   Sharpe,Shannon TE DEN 10
3 HOU TE Miller,Billy   Rice,Simeon DL TB 8
0 DAL DL Ellis,Greg   Holliday,Vonnie DL KC 10
3 TB DB Kelly,Brian   Taylor,Jason DL MIA 1
26 STL DL Little,Leonard   Lucas,Ken DB SEA 7
4 WAS RB Canidate,Trung   Wesley,Greg DB KC 6
15 SD WR Boston,David   Sharper,Darren DB GB 17
17 MIA LB Thomas,Zach   Holmes,Earl LB DET 9
0 PHI RB Staley,Duce   Peterson,Mike LB JAC 7
9 OAK LB Barton,Eric   Bulluck,Keith LB TEN 21
17 SD LB Edwards,Donnie   Janikowski,Sebastian PK OAK 8
10 ATL WR Price,Peerless   St-Lions,Det ST DET 22
8 SF QB Garcia,Jeff   Ol-Niners,Sf OL SF 6
219               204
                 
Art of Monk   Long Beach Lightning
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
-3 BUF QB Bledsoe,Drew   Green,Trent QB KC 10
21 BAL RB Lewis,Jamal   Williams,Ricky RB MIA 21
5 NO RB Mcallister,Deuc   Portis,Clinton RB DEN 5
11 WAS WR Gardner,Rod   Harrison,Marvin WR IND 7
3 GB WR Driver,Donald   Coles,Laveranue WR WAS 19
22 SEA WR Robinson,Koren   Boldin,Anquan WR ARI 14
13 OAK TE Jolley,Doug   Franks,Bubba TE GB 7
3 CIN DL Smith,Justin   Freeney,Dwight DL IND 0
9 SF DL Carter,Andre   Ogunleye,Adewal DL MIA 21
5 SF DB Parrish,Tony   Daniels,Phillip DL CHI 0
13 ARI DB Wilson,Adrian   Jammer,Quentin DB SD 8
15 STL DB Archuleta,Adam   Doss,Michael DB IND 14
12 WAS LB Trotter,Jeremia   Anderson,Marque DB GB 0
9 KC LB Maslowski,Mike   Arrington,Lavar LB WAS 23
11 SEA LB Brown,Chad   Smith,Derek LB SF 18
9 PIT PK Reed,Jeff   Diggs,Nail LB GB 5
10 SD ST St-Chargers,Sd   Elam,Jason PK DEN 12
6 NO OL Ol-Saints,No   St-Patriots,Ne ST NE 8
12 NO DL Whitehead,Willi   Ol-Rams,Stl OL STL 10
186               202
                 
Sandwich Town Statics   beebop
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
14 NO QB Brooks,Aaron   Johnson,Brad QB TB 19
3 SF RB Barlow,Kevan   Bryson,Shawn RB DET 14
-3 BUF RB Henry,Travis   Barber,Tiki RB NYG 17
6 GB WR Ferguson,Robert   Bradford,Corey WR HOU 2
2 NYJ WR Moss,Santana   Ward,Hines WR PIT 14
13 SEA WR Jackson,Darrell   Owens,Terrell WR SF 17
9 ATL TE Crumpler,Alge   Mcmichael,Randy TE MIA 15
21 NYJ DL Ellis,Shaun   Haggans,Clark DL PIT 1
1 TEN DL Kearse,Jevon   Scioli,Brad DL IND 3
7 NYG DL Strahan,Michael   Pryce,Trevor DL DEN 0
16 SEA DB Trufant,Marcus   Harper,Nick DB IND 13
8 STL DB Williams,Aeneas   Bailey,Champ DB WAS 13
10 TB DB Barber,Ronde   Bly,Dre DB DET 30
13 KC LB Barber,Shawn   Taylor,Ben LB CLE 14
19 PIT LB Bell,Kendrell   Boulware,Peter LB BAL 3
21 BAL LB Lewis,Ray   Vinatieri,Adam PK NE 18
19 IND PK Vanderjagt,Mike   St-Bills,Buf ST BUF 0
20 OAK ST St-Raiders,Oak   Bruschi,Tedy LB NE 14
16 TB OL Ol-Bucs,Tb   0 0 0 0
215               207
                 
Italian Eagles   Cowboys Homer
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
17 IND QB Manning,Peyton   Culpepper,Daunt QB MIN 17
8 ARI RB Smith,Emmitt   Zereoue,Amos RB PIT 9
12 IND RB James,Edgerrin   Taylor,Fred RB JAC 13
0 MIN WR Bates,Dwayne   Chambers,Chris WR MIA 16
2 OAK WR Brown,Tim   Stallworth,Dont WR NO 1
1 DEN WR Smith,Rod   Burress,Plaxico WR PIT 10
24 NYG TE Shockey,Jeremy   Heap,Todd TE BAL 21
12 NYG DL Holmes,Kenny   Mcginest,Willie DL NE 10
10 TEN DL Carter,Kevin   Wistrom,Grant DL STL 0
8 CLE DL Lang,Kenard   Smith,Aaron DL PIT 3
16 NE DB Law,Ty   Stoutmire,Omar DB NYG 8
15 PIT DB Scott,Chad   Schulters,Lance DB TEN 9
4 PIT DB Washington,Dewa   Lassiter,Kwamie DB SD 8
11 NYG LB Barrow,Mike   Draft,Chris LB ATL 8
12 DEN LB Gold,Ian   Simmons,Anthony LB SEA 19
8 HOU LB Sharper,Jamie   Foreman,Jay LB HOU 14
18 STL PK Wilkins,Jeff   Gramatica,Martin PK TB 12
13 HOU ST St-Texans,Hou   St-Browns,Cle ST CLE 0
18 DEN OL Ol-Broncos,Den   Ol-Packers,Gb OL GB 9
209               187
                 
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters   Ike44
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
5 OAK QB Gannon,Rich   Bulger,Marc QB STL 15
12 GB RB Green,Ahman   Green,William RB CLE 4
8 SEA RB Alexander,Shaun   Dillon,Corey RB CIN 2
10 OAK WR Rice,Jerry   Holt,Torry WR STL 11
4 CLE WR Morgan,Quincy   Johnson,Chad WR CIN 11
1 NO WR Horn,Joe   Johnson,Andre WR HOU 29
8 ARI TE Jones,Freddie   Pollard,Marcus TE IND 0
3 SEA DL Okeafor,Chike   Seymour,Richard DL NE 7
0 JAC DL Douglas,Hugh   Hicks,Eric DL KC 10
8 JAC DL Henderson,John   Gbaja-Biamila,K DL GB 5
15 SEA DB Hamlin,Ken   Woodson,Charles DB OAK 2
15 MIA DB Marion,Brock   Williams,Shaun DB NYG 13
19 SEA DB Tongue,Reggie   Bellamy,Jay DB NO 11
21 CLE LB Davis,Andra   Claiborne,Chris LB MIN 14
12 SD LB Moreno,Zeke   Spikes,Takeo LB BUF 10
32 NYJ LB Cowart,Sam   Wilson,Al LB DEN 9
12 KC PK Andersen,Morten   Feely,Jay PK ATL 6
-6 ARI ST St-Cards,Ari   St-Redskins,Was ST WAS 8
11 WAS OL Ol-Redskins,Was   Ol-Raiders,Oak OL OAK 4
190               171
                 
Rolling Thunder   Birds Of Prey
Pts Team Pos Name   Name Pos Team Pts
12 PIT QB Maddox,Tommy   Brady,Tom QB NE 10
4 SF RB Hearst,Garrison   Williams,Moe RB MIN 20
29 SD RB Tomlinson,Ladai   Holmes,Priest RB KC 30
8 TEN WR Mason,Derrick   Taylor,Travis WR BAL 0
17 STL WR Bruce,Isaac   Rogers,Charles WR DET 11
5 BUF WR Moulds,Eric   Toomer,Amani WR NYG 18
7 IND TE Clark,Dallas   Gonzalez,Tony TE KC 13
20 BUF DL Schobel,Aaron   Thomas,Adalius DL BAL 3
8 TB DL Sapp,Warren   Grant,Charles DL NO 4
0 ATL DL Kerney,Patrick   Abraham,John DL NYJ 5
0 BAL DB Mcalister,Chris   Reed,Edward DB BAL 28
2 OAK DB Buchanon,Philli   Harrison,Rodney DB NE 8
5 IND LB Morris,Rob   Knight,Sammy DB MIA 12
11 BAL LB Hartwell,Edgerton   Jones,Marvin LB NYJ 15
16 ATL LB Brooking,Keith   Suggs,Terrell LB BAL 17
14 GB PK Longwell,Ryan   Brooks,Derrick LB TB 6
8 KC ST St-Chiefs,Kc   Brown,Josh PK SEA 11
16 BAL OL Ol-Ravens,Bal   St-Saints,No ST NO 22
0 0 0 0   Ol-Vikings,Min OL MIN 14
182               247
107IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 458341415
      Tue, Sep 23, 2003, 14:37
a great f@ck!n total of 3 points from my wr????
wtf? rod smith and tim brown with 1 reception each in the game?
ok, i won anyway but it's a shame the way i drafted wr's slots.....ok, free agency here i come.....
108wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 108392314
      Tue, Sep 23, 2003, 15:42
man, i really thought keeping LT and Mcnabb was going to atleast guarantee me a 500 record. Right now i will be lucky to get 1 win
109IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 458341415
      Thu, Sep 25, 2003, 13:48
i'm not sure to know it: when the pending transactions will be evaluated and finalized?
110APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Sep 25, 2003, 14:55
Pending Transactions are listed under League News

Each transaction states the name of the team, the player and the time the transaction will be approved. I try to process transactions shortly after the 36 hour grace period, however I'm not at my computer 100% of the time...
111APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Sep 25, 2003, 14:57
PS. Long Beach Lightning's priority is greater than yours so he gets Reggie Hayward, DL DEN. I believe this is the 2nd time I've declined your offer...
112Nerfherders
      ID: 308512415
      Thu, Sep 25, 2003, 18:17
Wow. I just plugged last week's scores into my spreadsheet, and I was amazed at the low scores for week 3. The average score for week 3 was 202. Only one team scored above 240, which was last year's break point of winning lots of games or losing lots of games.

Just weird I guess. I feel fortunate to be 2-1. I'm not in the same class with my adversaries at the top of the division.
113IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 458341415
      Thu, Sep 25, 2003, 21:30
so, why peter warrick isn't on my team? i submitted my request on monday and he's still liste as one of my pending transaction. i placed porter on IL, so i must have a free spot at wr, isn't right?
114IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 458341415
      Tue, Sep 30, 2003, 05:24
wow, considering the matchups i've lost by 3 points, but i think that the redskins' st total is to be reconsidered.....anyway, can we start another thread since this one is starting to take too long for my 56k to be opened?
115IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 458341415
      Tue, Sep 30, 2003, 12:55
so?
is this league still alive?
is there someone out there?
can someone control my matchup vs. ike?
his st seem to have 16 points instead of 4.....
116dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Tue, Sep 30, 2003, 19:28
Lazio, the ST and OL scores posted on the Matchups page have always been screwed up, going back to last year. That is why Derek always has to change those scores. Look at all the red numbers in the scores from the last 3 weeks...
117IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 458341415
      Tue, Sep 30, 2003, 19:33
i knew it, but i was wondering why he hasn't done it yet, since he always have done it on tuesday morning......what? he has got a life too?? no way, his life is to correct ST scores!!! ;-)
118APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Tue, Sep 30, 2003, 23:23
New Discussion Thread

Week 5 Final results posted in the new thread...
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