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Subject: Survivor 2007 -- Roll Call
Posted by: Shak
- [336361613] Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 14:45
Time to check in for another year of Survivor. I have heard from the following owners:
1. RBP
2. Ednecks
3. JHHH
4. Joe
5. STB
6. SupaMario
7. Grim Reaper
8. Raider Haters
9. Midget Maulers
10. TrashHaulers
11. Shak
I have not heard from:
1. Tribe
2. Gumsellers
3. TB
4. BSB
5. Terry Tate
6. Steve
7. GCobb |
| 1 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 14:59
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I talked with Cobb and he's moved to Austin, Tx, and he's definetly playing, i'll forward the Email so he can respond.
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| 2 | RBP
ID: 66141614
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 15:14
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I'm here and ready to rock, I just put out an email to Terry Tate because his email addy changed.
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| 3 | The Joe
ID: 66201615
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 16:20
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not sure if BSB will be playing this year, I will talk to him ASAP
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| 4 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 19:07
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I am in.
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| 5 | Steve
ID: 34492918
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 20:02
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I'm in, seeing as how this league takes the least amount of effort to be in.
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| 6 | GCobb
ID: 50681620
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 21:08
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I'm in. Love the format...one time good deal on the draft and then see how things unfold. Can't beat it.
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| 7 | JHHH
ID: 136121620
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 21:12
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I'm baaaccccckkkkkkk....
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| 8 | TrashHaulers
ID: 460511418
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 22:32
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Show me da (your) $$$$!
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| 9 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 23:43
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Steve, regarding your post:
"I'm in, seeing as how this league takes the least amount of effort to be in."
Nice to see that you have the same attitude about FFL as you do with sex.
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| 10 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 23:47
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Damn, Shak is already in mid-season form!
ROFL
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| 11 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Tue, Jul 17, 2007, 08:34
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Steve you going to take that...damn. I guess we can spot your wife in a crowd, she'll be the one with the frown on her face and the wanting in her loins!! He He.
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| 12 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Tue, Jul 17, 2007, 11:49
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In:
1. RBP
2. Ednecks
3. JHHH
4. Joe
5. STB
6. SupaMario
7. Grim Reaper
8. Raider Haters
9. Midget Maulers
10. TrashHaulers
11. Shak
12. Steve
13. TB
14. GCobb
AWOL:
1. Tribe
2. Gumsellers
3. BSB
4. Terry Tate
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| 13 | Steve
ID: 34492918
Tue, Jul 17, 2007, 12:12
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Shak, isn't that the same attitude you have, you like to be on the on the bottom because you can't handle the pressure of being on top.
Hey Ednecks, I think that was your wife knowing she had to find you.
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| 14 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Tue, Jul 17, 2007, 12:44
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Steve, nice comeback.
At this point in my life, I'll take it anyway I can get it! What I wouldn't give to be a rich tycoon that could go out and find an Anna Nicole Smith to tuck me in for my remaining days and nights!
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| 15 | Tribe
ID: 506591711
Tue, Jul 17, 2007, 12:59
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I am in!
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| 16 | terry tate
ID: 16431713
Tue, Jul 17, 2007, 14:43
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Im checking in and ready to go. My new email is mzulawski79@yahoo.com
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| 17 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Tue, Jul 17, 2007, 14:56
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Touche Stevo!!
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| 18 | RBP
ID: 66141614
Thu, Jul 19, 2007, 12:15
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So were missing 2 at this point?
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| 19 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Thu, Jul 19, 2007, 17:35
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Lets start rolling the dice and get the draft positions set and the trading started? I'll be away this weekend so if you want I can roll now and send it to Shak.
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| 20 | Kris Krenzke
ID: 26681922
Thu, Jul 19, 2007, 23:08
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Can you post the roll dem bones site again along with the verification email address.
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| 22 | TrashHaulers
ID: 460511418
Thu, Jul 19, 2007, 23:50
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Here is the dice roll website. I would guess the rolls have to be sent to Shak at: shakj@yahoo.com
From last year's rules: "This is the idea, we sort out from the bone rolls who picks 1st through 18 (100 is the best, 1 is the lowest) and more bone rolling instructions will come. Owner #1 will pick what draft position he wants in draft #1. Owner #2 will pick his slot and so forth and down to owner #18. In mirror league the owner with #18 will select what draft pick he wants first in draft #2, owner #17 will pick next and so forth down to owner #1."
How many dice would you like to roll? 1
How many sides are on each die? 100
Should anything be added or subtracted from the total roll? No
You can drop either the highest or lowest die roll (or both.) Uncheck all boxes.
The entire roll can be repeated; how many times? 0
Say what this roll is for: Survivor 2007 (and also put your team name)
Also e-mail the results to: shakj@yahoo.com
Dice Roll website
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| 23 | TrashHaulers
ID: 460511418
Thu, Jul 19, 2007, 23:51
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gerhardt@cebridge.net requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 32.
Mail was sent to you at gerhardt@cebridge.net and to shakj@yahoo.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)
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| 24 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Thu, Jul 19, 2007, 23:58
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shakj@yahoo.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 86.
Mail was sent to you at shakj@yahoo.com and to gerhardt@cebridge.net.
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| 25 | Steve
ID: 316301721
Fri, Jul 20, 2007, 09:33
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steve_mercy@yahoo.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 47.
Mail was sent to you at steve_mercy@yahoo.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)
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| 26 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Fri, Jul 20, 2007, 09:49
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I will accept Steve's mediocre roll of da bones, but in the future, please use me (shakj@yahoo.com) or Buddy (gerhardt@cebridge.net) as an additional email address, so that we know you aren't re-rolling multiple times until you get the number you want.
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| 27 | TB
ID: 53633209
Fri, Jul 20, 2007, 10:34
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tbraiders@gmail.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 53.
Mail was sent to you at tbraiders@gmail.com and to shakj@yahoo.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)
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| 28 | Steve
ID: 34492918
Fri, Jul 20, 2007, 10:45
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Jim you've played enough golf with me to know I'm a mediocre cheater at best. Besides cops are the most honest people we know.
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| 29 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Fri, Jul 20, 2007, 11:02
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Pecking Order
19 - RBP
32 - TrashHaulers
47 - Steve
53 - TB
86 - Shak
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| 30 | BSB
ID: 56632010
Fri, Jul 20, 2007, 11:04
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I'm in.
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| 31 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Fri, Jul 20, 2007, 11:07
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And then there was one. I haven't heard from the Gumsellers in a while, but I can't imagine he won't be back. Hopefully we hear from him soon.
BSB, no change to your email address?
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| 32 | BSB
ID: 56632010
Fri, Jul 20, 2007, 11:12
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Shak, if 100 is the best, shouldn't the pecking order be the other way around?
Except, of course, you posted the mirror league pecking order.
Or, if the "being the best" is meaning to have the last pick.
Or, if your pecking order should be read from bottom to top.
Or, if "100 is best" is just another way of saying "100 is highest, meaning lowest, as in last"
Then you're alright.
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| 33 | BSB
ID: 56632010
Fri, Jul 20, 2007, 11:13
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I was referring to Post 22 which was a TrashHaulers post, not a Shak post. Sorry.
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| 34 | BSB
ID: 56632010
Fri, Jul 20, 2007, 11:14
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No change to address.
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| 35 | harmonj
ID: 3116113
Fri, Jul 20, 2007, 11:50
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shakj@yahoo.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 82.
Mail was sent to you at shakj@yahoo.com and to harmonj@gmail.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)
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| 36 | harmonj
ID: 3116113
Fri, Jul 20, 2007, 11:52
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guess I got the e-mail addresses in the wron fields... shack will still get the e-mail though.
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| 37 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Fri, Jul 20, 2007, 12:06
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BSB, you are right -- I have listed the pecking order for the mirror division. We also need to come up with the names for the divisions. Did we agree to let the defending champs name their divisions?
Mirror Division Pecking Order
19 - RBP
32 - TrashHaulers
47 - Steve
53 - TB
82 - RaiderHaters
86 - Shak
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| 38 | BSB
ID: 2364289
Fri, Jul 20, 2007, 20:54
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reant_2grand@yahoo.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 3.
Mail was sent to you at reant_2grand@yahoo.com and to shakj@yahoo.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)
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| 39 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Fri, Jul 20, 2007, 23:21
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Mirror Division Pecking Order
3 - BSB
19 - RBP
30 - Grim Reaper
32 - TrashHaulers
47 - Steve
53 - TB
56 - JHHH
82 - RaiderHaters
86 - Shak
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| 40 | terry tate
ID: 586112023
Sat, Jul 21, 2007, 00:12
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survivor 2007 (terry tate)
mzulawski79@yahoo.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 93.
Mail was sent to you at mzulawski79@yahoo.com and to shakj@yahoo.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)
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| 41 | TrashHaulers
ID: 460511418
Sat, Jul 21, 2007, 01:18
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As 1 of the league defending champ, I select "the Iron Mike Dikta Division". Was gonna stick with Walter Payton, or go w/ current stud Urlacher...
but Da Coach has it for 2007/8.
Go Bears!
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| 42 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Jul 21, 2007, 14:00
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Are we going to use the same site as last year for both leagues? I just looked and it appears as though it's still free and everyone is still in both leagues. The rules are still intact and the rosters have been cleared.
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| 43 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Sat, Jul 21, 2007, 15:20
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TB, I don't see any reason to change unless someone can find something better. Can you set it up again?
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| 44 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Jul 21, 2007, 17:10
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It really depends on when we draft. I have to go TDY (as a new civilian...woohoo) from 6-17 August. I am a bit brain dead today but as long as it's after those dates I see no reason why I can't do the same. I forgot how I did it last year too. We might be able to make everyone free agents or something and then everyone just pick up their players after they draft them or after the draft.
However we do it, I am sure we can have it set up on time.
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| 45 | Midget Mauler
ID: 256272212
Sun, Jul 22, 2007, 13:27
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Now how will this work. Two of us with 53......
sftblljunkie@yahoo.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 53.
Mail was sent to you at sftblljunkie@yahoo.com and to shakj@yahoo.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)
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| 46 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Sun, Jul 22, 2007, 21:02
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We can settle all ties with another roll once everyone has rolled.
Iron Mike Ditka Division Pecking Order
3 - BSB
19 - RBP
30 - Grim Reaper
32 - TrashHaulers
47 - Steve
53 - TB
53 - Midget Mauler
56 - JHHH
82 - RaiderHaters
86 - Shak
93 - Terry Tate
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| 47 | The Joe
ID: 66201615
Mon, Jul 23, 2007, 01:28
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Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 93.
I cant do anything easy huh Tate? I also think that if you cant spell the person the league is named after correctly, you lose the honor to do so...Dikta???? Just kidding, kinda. Howabout the Freddie Mitchell league!
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| 48 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Mon, Jul 23, 2007, 09:35
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Waiting on Edneck, STB, SupaMario, GCobb, Tribe and Gumsellers. Ties will be settled after everyone rolls.
Iron Mike Ditka Division Pecking Order
1) 3 - BSB
2) 19 - RBP
3) 30 - Grim Reaper
4) 32 - TrashHaulers
5) 47 - Steve
6) 53 - TB
6) 53 - Midget Mauler
8) 56 - JHHH
9) 82 - RaiderHaters
10) 86 - Shak
11) 93 - Terry Tate
11) 93 - The Joe
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| 49 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Mon, Jul 23, 2007, 09:40
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I need my LMSCL owners to check in. Scott, you need to change your email address on Sportsline.
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| 50 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Mon, Jul 23, 2007, 12:13
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Edneck Survivor
leonhart@btopenworld.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be
rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 73
I guess it's a late pick again, no problems!!
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| 51 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Mon, Jul 23, 2007, 12:15
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Waiting on STB, SupaMario, GCobb, Tribe and Gumsellers. Ties will be settled after everyone rolls.
Iron Mike Ditka Division Pecking Order
1) 3 - BSB
2) 19 - RBP
3) 30 - Grim Reaper
4) 32 - TrashHaulers
5) 47 - Steve
6) 53 - TB
6) 53 - Midget Mauler
8) 56 - JHHH
9) 73 - Edneck
10) 82 - RaiderHaters
11) 86 - Shak
12) 93 - Terry Tate
13) 93 - The Joe
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| 52 | terry tate
ID: 44652315
Mon, Jul 23, 2007, 16:05
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wondering if anyone wanted to trade picks?
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| 53 | GCobb
ID: 50681620
Mon, Jul 23, 2007, 19:14
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GCobb requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 29.
Mail was sent to you and to shakj@yahoo.com.
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| 54 | GCobb
ID: 50681620
Mon, Jul 23, 2007, 22:57
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Switching gears on you guys just a bit but does anyone have thoughts on the Vick deal? It's sounding more and more like the NFL wants nothing to do with the media circus he would create this year. Betcha they wish they hadn't pulled the trigger on the Schaub trade.
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| 55 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Tue, Jul 24, 2007, 06:17
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Hard to turn a street dog into a gentleman just because he plays professional football. If he's guilty then it's just another cocky I can't be touched NFL player who thinks the rules don't apply to them. He's fun to watch and I loved his style but he knows the difference between right and wrong and should pay the price. I think the Commish told him to stay home and not bring his circus to the training camp, so Yeah I hope he's not guilty and he loves dog's so much he opens a shelter for strays!! Unforturnate for us this will be in the news all season.
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| 56 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Tue, Jul 24, 2007, 12:22
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It's a shame Michael isn't the model citizen like his brother Marcus. Makes stepping on a defensive guy seem pretty harmless now. How proud their mama has to be.
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| 57 | SupaMario
ID: 206312416
Tue, Jul 24, 2007, 17:31
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shakj@yahoo.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 94.
Mail was sent to you at shakj@yahoo.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)
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| 58 | SupaMario
ID: 206312416
Tue, Jul 24, 2007, 17:33
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Two questions unless I missed it,
1. Why is Joe so gay? No that wasn't it....Are we doing two leagues again this year?
2. What does it cost and are you using paypal?\
SupaM
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| 59 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Tue, Jul 24, 2007, 18:08
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Waiting on STB, Tribe and Gumsellers. Ties will be settled after everyone rolls.
Iron Mike Ditka Division Pecking Order
1) 3 - BSB
2) 19 - RBP
3) 29 - GCobb
4) 30 - Grim Reaper
5) 32 - TrashHaulers
6) 47 - Steve
7) 53 - TB
7) 53 - Midget Mauler
9) 56 - JHHH
10) 73 - Edneck
11) 82 - RaiderHaters
12) 86 - Shak
13) 93 - Terry Tate
13) 93 - The Joe
15) 94 - SupaMario
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| 60 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Tue, Jul 24, 2007, 18:11
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I think the two divisions worked well and I don't see a reason to change. We can work it the same way we did last year, as far as selecting draft positions. As it stands now, you would select last in the IMD division, but first in the other.
I'm glad you brought up the entry fee. Last year it was 50. Is everyone happy with that? I think for the amount of entertainment we get out of it, I would not be against paying a little more.
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| 61 | Kris Krenzke
ID: 26681922
Tue, Jul 24, 2007, 21:22
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Can you provide the address for payment. Thanks...
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| 62 | The Joe
ID: 66201615
Wed, Jul 25, 2007, 00:37
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And the first pick of the 2007 Survivor draft, SuperMario selects Tom Brady, hehehe.
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| 63 | STD
ID: 336361613
Wed, Jul 25, 2007, 12:30
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Timothy.Dahl@ELMENDORF.af.mil requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 32.
Mail was sent to you at Timothy.Dahl@ELMENDORF.af.mil and to shakj@yahoo.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)
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| 64 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Wed, Jul 25, 2007, 12:34
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Another roll off needed. I guess next year we will have to use the 1000-sided dice.
Waiting on Gumsellers and Tribe. Stephen, the Gumsellers owner, has asked if Jeff Gilbert can run his team this year. I know Jeff and can 100% vouch for his FFL prowess. I believe Scott and Tim know him as well and would back me up on this.
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| 65 | SupaMario
ID: 206312416
Wed, Jul 25, 2007, 15:00
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I'm going to Tom Brady you upside your head Li'l Joey!!!!
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| 66 | SupaMario
ID: 206312416
Wed, Jul 25, 2007, 15:00
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If we are short on players I may have a guy who wants in
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| 67 | Jeff G.
ID: 43672519
Wed, Jul 25, 2007, 20:07
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Jimbo, I accept. I'll take over for Steve's Gumsellers. Watch out Your all in trouble now........MIDGET BODY Slam!!
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| 68 | Midget Mauler
ID: 256272212
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 01:57
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I take it once the rolls are complete we will start drafting.
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| 69 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 08:15
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Hey Jeff G. you scared me. Now roll the dice and get with the program, A Shak indorsement, now that must come cheap..you buy him a chilly Dog and Coke..Sorry, my mistake I forgot you bribe Scotty with food and Shak with Porno!!
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| 70 | Jeff G.
ID: 43672519
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 09:35
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Damn, you DO KNOW Scotty Jim well. Now that ur hip to my game looks like I'll have to switch to plan B. 49er paraphanalia for Jimbo & I'll let Scotty beat me with his OSU boys in some NCAA football. Game on !!
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| 71 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 09:59
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Welcome Jeff. Just to level the playing field, I'll let everyone know that poor Jeff is a Bearz fan and is going to be in for a long season with GrossMan still leading the Bears offense. At least you'll have a shoulder to cry on with Buddy. Here's our pecking order with one holdout -- TRIBE!!
Ties will be settled once the Tribe rolls.
Iron Mike Ditka Division Pecking Order
1) 3 - BSB
2) 11 - Gumsellers (keeping the name?)
3) 19 - RBP
4) 29 - GCobb
5) 30 - Grim Reaper
6) 32 - TrashHaulers
6) 32 - STB
8) 47 - Steve
9) 53 - TB
9) 53 - Midget Mauler
11) 56 - JHHH
12) 73 - Edneck
13) 82 - RaiderHaters
14) 86 - Shak
15) 93 - Terry Tate
15) 93 - The Joe
17) 94 - SupaMario
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| 72 | Tribe
ID: 506591711
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 10:44
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fryt@btopenworld.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 20.
Mail was sent to you at fryt@btopenworld.com and to shakj@yahoo.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)
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| 73 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 10:51
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Time to settle the ties. Need Trash, STB, Terry Tate and The Joe to re-roll.
Iron Mike Ditka Division Pecking Order
1) 3 - BSB
2) 11 - Gumsellers (keeping the name?)
3) 19 - RBP
4) 20 - Tribe
5) 29 - GCobb
6) 30 - Grim Reaper
7) 32 - TrashHaulers
7) 32 - STB
9) 47 - Steve
10) 53 - TB
10) 53 - Midget Mauler
12) 56 - JHHH
13) 73 - Edneck
14) 82 - RaiderHaters
15) 86 - Shak
16) 93 - Terry Tate
16) 93 - The Joe
18) 94 - SupaMario
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| 74 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 13:07
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timothy.dahl@elmendorf.af.mil requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 39.
Mail was sent to you at timothy.dahl@elmendorf.af.mil and to shakj@yahoo.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)
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| 75 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 13:08
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I stand corrected -- Tim's team is STB and not STD. Don't know what I was thinking.
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| 76 | Jeff G.
ID: 43672519
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 13:47
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I'll change the Gumsellers name to "He Hate me"
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| 77 | Jeff G.
ID: 43672519
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 13:50
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Hmmmm Grossman or Alex Smith, who do I draft first???
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| 78 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 13:52
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I was going to ask Benson or Gore, but I don't want you to hit me over the head with that Bear defense.
The answer is obvious -- take the up and coming Smith over GrossMan, who will be out of the League next year.
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| 79 | SupaMario
ID: 206312416
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 15:02
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I know who I'm NOT drafting first!!!!!
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| 80 | Midget Mauler
ID: 256272212
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 15:12
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So when do we do the roll off!!!!
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| 81 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 16:07
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Sorry, didn't realize we had 3 ties. MM and TB also need to roll off. Go ahead and git 'er done.
Scotty will be collecting money again this year. Scott, let us know where and how you want the entry fee. We're bumping it up to a benjamin this year, right?
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| 82 | Jeff G.
ID: 43672519
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 16:50
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Scotty I'll "work" my fee off in this year. This time quit throwing nickels down my shirt like ya did last year. At least throw a brother some dimes, quarters or somethin
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| 83 | Steve
ID: 34492918
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 18:25
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If you guys would let Vick drop down I'd appreciate it.
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| 84 | Jeff G.
ID: 43672519
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 19:15
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Drop down where??? Steve you like it like that huh??? Oh boy,we gotta a freak in the house
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| 85 | Midget Mauler
ID: 256272212
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 01:35
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Guess TB will get the number 9 pick haha......
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 97.
Mail was sent to you at sftblljunkie@yahoo.com and to shakj@yahoo.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)
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| 86 | Midget Mauler
ID: 43645270
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 01:47
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Alright scratch the last post with my dice roll. The internet was timing out and wouldnt give me the roll information but it didnt hesitate to send the email. SO my first roll was actually:
Survivor 2007 Midget Mauler
sftblljunkie@yahoo.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be
rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 40.
Mail was sent to you at sftblljunkie@yahoo.com and to shakj@yahoo..com.
(Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)
SHAK can you verify that this was in fact the first roll.
Thanks
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| 87 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 10:01
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MM, the only roll I received for you was the 97. That's the roll we have to use. At least you left room for TB to beat that -- not that it matters, since you guys are right in the middle.
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| 88 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 10:35
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Just to give a heads up I've already got drafts in my other leagues set up for Aug 12th and 26th. Are we doing a one day draft? might be hard to do with all the time zones and commitments. Just something to think about..Where are we drafting and when I guess is the question.
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| 89 | Midget Mauler
ID: 43645270
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 12:47
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Thats cool. Maybe ill get lucky and he will roll a 98. haha.
Im ready for this draft to get moving.
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| 90 | Steve
ID: 34492918
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 13:17
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I'd prefer to draft as late as possible, since all picks are final in this league.
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| 91 | Jeff G.
ID: 336582715
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 16:58
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I beleive Jim said it was an email draft over 10 days or so. We should be able to start here pretty soon after all the draft positions are picked. Mid Aug sound right to folks?? Jim?? Scotty??
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| 92 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 19:13
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I don't normally agree with Steve, but I agree with him here. If we draft too early, not only do we not know who the starting RBs are going to be for a number of teams, but there is also the dreaded season ending injury that we need to worry about.
Historically, we have started our draft after the 2nd or 3rd week of preseason games. Since the season starts with a Thursday game, I think we should start after the 2nd preseason games. That makes the start date Aug 21st and give us over two weeks to complete the draft. Is there any reason to start earlier?
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| 93 | Jeff G.
ID: 336582715
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 20:18
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Sweet sounds good to me commish. We'll be drafting on this site right?
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| 94 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 20:46
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No, we use a different site that has all the bells and whistles. We haven't set it up for this year yet, but you can take a look at last year's site.
Draft Site
Not sure if you need a password or not.
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| 95 | terry tate
ID: 57602723
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 00:01
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survivor 2007 tiebreaker(terry tate)
mzulawski79@yahoo.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be
rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 4.
Mail was sent to you at mzulawski79@yahoo.com and to shakj@yahoo.com.
(Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)
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| 96 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 01:17
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Standing by for TrashHaulers, TB, and the Joe.
Iron Mike Ditka Division Pecking Order
1) 3 - BSB
2) 11 - He Hate Me
3) 19 - RBP
4) 20 - Tribe
5) 29 - GCobb
6) 30 - Grim Reaper
7) 32 - TrashHaulers
7) 32/39 - STB
9) 47 - Steve
10) 53 - TB
10) 53/97 - Midget Mauler
12) 56 - JHHH
13) 73 - Edneck
14) 82 - RaiderHaters
15) 86 - Shak
16) 93/4 - Terry Tate
16) 93 - The Joe
18) 94 - SupaMario
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| 97 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 01:00
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Tiebreaker roll from TB
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 83.
(emails sent as well)
I wish that was my first roll. Then I could be drafting right next to the person who used to get his lunch money stolen by a Raider fan.
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| 98 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 06:11
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Come on Trash and "The Joe" (what a loser) roll your dice so I get my draft position set and the plan to dominate Shak/JHHH/Scotty/Trash in that order..my sole goal every year.
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| 99 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 13:13
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I've sent them an email. They should be rolling soon. In the meantime, let's start selecting our draft positions. Copy and paste below when selecting your position. First up in the Iron Mike Division is BSB and first up in the Joe Montana Division is SupaMario.
Iron Mike Division
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6.
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Joe Montana Division
1.
2.
3.
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| 100 | The Joe
ID: 66201615
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 14:19
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joefut2@hotmail.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 54.
Sorry it took so long ednecks, I see all the progress that I have hindered with my delay?
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| 101 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 16:40
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In light of recent events, I'm going to take the liberty of changing the name of one of the divisions. Still standing by for BSB and SupaMario. Please use this list for determining your draft positions:
Iron Mike Division
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
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14.
15.
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18.
Bill Walsh Division
1.
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3.
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| 102 | BSB
ID: 2364289
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 18:27
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Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2.
3.
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5.
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8.
9.
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18.
Joe Montana Division
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| 103 | BSB
ID: 2364289
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 18:30
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oops...I should have pasted Bill Walsh- to clear the confusion then:
Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
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18.
Bill Walsh Division
1.
2.
3.
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| 104 | Jeff G.
ID: 336582715
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 19:42
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Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
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| 105 | RBP
ID: 186573021
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 22:57
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Been gone for a few days so I'm checking in. At this point I'm accepting snail mail checks only. Send your $100 to...
Scott McCoy
8901 Birch Park Circle
Eagle River, AK 99577
Big Brother blocked me from the site at work and I have been out fishing or getting ready to fish for days on end. I'm more active starting today and I REALLY need to win this league soon, albeit Clyde winning it PROVES that much luck is involved... :-)
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| 106 | RBP
ID: 186573021
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 23:00
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Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3. RBP (best spot in the HOUSE!)
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
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| 107 | RBP
ID: 186573021
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 23:02
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Jeffrey G--
Welcome...
...prepare to be DOMINATED!!!!!!
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| 108 | TrashHaulers
ID: 460511418
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 23:06
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Here is my tiebreaker roll...
gerhardt@cebridge.net requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 61.
Mail was sent to you at gerhardt@cebridge.net and to shakj@yahoo.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.)
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| 109 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 23:09
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Final Iron Mike Ditka Division Pecking Order
1) 3 - BSB
2) 11 - He Hate Me
3) 19 - RBP
4) 20 - Tribe
5) 29 - GCobb
6) 30 - Grim Reaper
7) 32/39 - STB
8) 32/61 - TrashHaulers
9) 47 - Steve
10) 53/83 - TB
11) 53/97 - Midget Mauler
12) 56 - JHHH
13) 73 - Edneck
14) 82 - RaiderHaters
15) 86 - Shak
16) 93/4 - Terry Tate
17) 93/54 - The Joe
18) 94 - SupaMario
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| 110 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 10:59
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Scott, regarding post #105, I don't think everyone agreed to a $100 entry fee.
Everyone, please vote for:
1) $50
2) $75
3) $100
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| 111 | Steve
ID: 34492918
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 11:10
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$75
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| 112 | terry tate
ID: 416453110
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 11:45
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$50
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| 113 | SupaMario
ID: 206312416
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 14:05
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Sorry guys, getting this one started
Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
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| 114 | SupaMario
ID: 206312416
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 14:07
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Before I vote for entry fee, how are the winnings distributed, I forgot
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| 115 | Jeff G.
ID: 336582715
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 14:53
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Welcome back Scotty! Good to see you're alive brother. Now put down your pole & read some posts on your boy Gore, good luck with the #3 spot. DOH !!!!
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| 116 | Jeff G.
ID: 336582715
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 14:57
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Oh yeah, I'll pay whatever $$ amount is agreed on. BTW, Mike Z & Scotty thanks for paying for this league this year. :) Anyone else I miss??
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| 117 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 15:14
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I hope the participation is better then this once the draft and trash starts..
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| 118 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 15:17
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Tribe and Joe your turn to select a draft position.
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| 119 | BSB
ID: 2364289
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 16:42
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I say $50
Its trade deadline day in MLB aka end of July... I really don't care about football right now... participate for what??
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| 120 | Kris Krenzke
ID: 26681922
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 17:28
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I'm down with $50.00
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| 121 | The Joe
ID: 66201615
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 17:34
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Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2.
3. Joe
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
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13.
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16.
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| 122 | SupaMario
ID: 206312416
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 18:03
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50 Clams sounds good
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| 123 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 18:41
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Terry Tate and the Tribe on the clock.
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| 124 | The Joe
ID: 66201615
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 21:32
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Glanced through it and think it is up to date:
The league rules had an overriding motto to keep it simple. We draft only 10 roster spots - which is still decent depth considering there are 18 teams - and from the 10 you will start 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR/TE, 1 K and 3 flex-RB/WR/TE each week.
Basically we look at your team after the week is over and see what would have been your best lineup and that's the points you get. So if your team is deep and all 10 players are playing then you have a better chance to post a good score. If you have 7 guys who start for their NFL team and 3 who are backups the you need your stars to play better every week to hang around. If you can draft 10 solid consistent players then you should go far. If you draft guys like the Corey Dillon of old who would get 35 points 1 week then 3 points, then 29, then 4 then you can see that on his bad weeks you could be hurting.
The weekly top scoring owner each week will gain immunity for the next week but it will only last through NFL season 15. Week 16 and 17 their will be no immunity and teams will face off for two weeks with the highest combined score the winner and 2nd highest gets second.
Tie breakers for any given week are TOTAL TD's scored by your team (whole roster), then total TD's scored by your lineup (your actually lineup) then rushing TD's, recieving TDs and finally passing TD's. It will probably never even get to a tiebreaker but you never know.
And no transactions after the draft, you get what you draft to last you all 17 weeks! You can trade during the draft but the max # of players you can have is 10. All trades must be for even number players or picks ie 1 for 1, 2 for 2, 3 for 3 etc.
Scoring
Rules for QB Event Range (Low-High) Points
Passing Yards 25-999 1 point for every 25
Passing Yards 300-999 3
Rushing Yards 10-999 1 point for every 10
Rushing Yards 100-999 3
Rules for QB, RB, WR, TE, PK Event Range (Low-High) Points
Number of Passing TDs 1-99 6 points each
Pass Interceptions Thrown 1-99 -2 points each
Passing 2 Pointers 1-99 2 points each
Number of Rushing TDs 1-99 6 points each
Rushing 2 Pointers 1-99 2 points each
Number of Receiving TDs 1-99 6 points each
Receiving 2 Pointers 1-99 2 points each
Number of Field Goals Made 1-99 3 points each
Extra Points 1-99 1 point each
Fumbles Lost (to Opponent) 1-99 -2 points each
Rules for RB, WR Event Range (Low-High) Points
Rushing Yards 10-999 1 point for every 10
Rushing Yards 100-999 3
Receiving Yards 10-999 1 point for every 10
Receiving Yards 100-999 3
Receptions 1-99 0.5 points each
Rules for TE Event Range (Low-High) Points
Rushing Yards 10-999 1 point for every 10
Rushing Yards 100-999 3
Receiving Yards 10-999 1 point for every 10
Receiving Yards 75-999 3
Receptions 1-99 1.0 point each
TE's are treated as Wr's in this league just so you know.
Draft
The draft is serpentine with a twist in 2005. As usual we will roll them bones. All 18 owners will roll and I will verify all rolls, my roll will be verified by Shak/Clyde. This season we will actually run two leagues simultaneously which also means two drafts simultaneously. This is the idea, we sort out from the bone rolls who picks 1st through 18 (100 is the best, 1 is the lowest) and more bone rolling instructions will come. Owner #1 will pick what draft position he wants in draft #1. Owner #2 will pick his slot and so forth and down to owner #18. In mirror league the owner with #18 will select what draft pick he wants first in draft #2, owner #17 will pick next and so forth down to owner #1. Does that make sense? I'll clarify in another post if it appears to be too complicated, which it is not.
2006 payouts are as follows ($50 entry fee)
Survivor in each league gets $210
Runner up in each league gets $75
Highest total score for all 17 weeks gets $50 in each league.
Owner who survives the most weeks combined between two leagues gets $180.
Score Keepers get a $25 discount
That adds up to $900 which is the entry fee in full, no site to payout, you get IT ALL BACK!
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| 125 | Tribe
ID: 506591711
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 04:31
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Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3. RBP (best spot in the HOUSE!)
4. Tribe
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
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| 126 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 08:30
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Terry Tate and GCobb on the clock.
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| 127 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 11:37
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I really don't have the energy to kick around the dead horse ST TD argument again this year, so I will try to summarize the arguments here. If you want to relive the blow-by-blow discussions from last year, you can check out this link:
Dead Horse -- Kick Here
The argument is whether or not a player should get credit for a special teams TD (punt or kick return). It was ultimately decided that since the argument was brought up just two days before the draft (thanks, Steve), that we would shelve it until this year. I think most were hoping that it would be forgotten, but no (thanks, Joe).
Here are the arguments for and against:
For ST TDs:
- It adds excitement and allows Bush/S Smith owners a chance to cheer for their player during ST plays
- Since there are so few ST TDs a year, relatively easy for statboy to track
Against ST TDs:
- This is an offensive plays only league (except for FGs)
- ST TDs will lead to ST Yards and we don't want to go there
I beleive that sums up the arguments.
Let's vote and bury this beast once and for all!
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| 128 | jhhh
ID: 22652319
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 11:52
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My we've gotten very democratic this year!
I vote "for"
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| 129 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 12:27
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I also vote "for" and I'd also like to vote for more voting.
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| 130 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 13:06
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I always vote the same as JHHH.....God told me he was one of the chosen ones!! Kind of scared to go against him!!
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| 131 | Steve
ID: 34492918
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 13:56
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I vote "for". I apologize for resurrecting this dead horse.
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| 132 | The Joe
ID: 66201615
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 16:16
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Its ok Steve? As an elected representive, I will have to gauge the public opinion on this matter prior to making my democratic decision, afterall, I am only one man.
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| 133 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 16:30
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I will go with the majority vote, however it turns out. I like simple scoring rules.
When do we start drafting? I will be TDY until 17 August so needed an idea of how prepared I need to be before I leave.
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| 134 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 17:25
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What do you guys think about adding a defensive team to the scoring mix? An easy addition and getting Dabears or Baltimore might make a difference.
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| 135 | Steve
ID: 34492918
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 17:34
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If we are saying that a single players ST TD's is too complicated for the scoring I would have to think that a defense would be impossible.
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| 136 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 18:32
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The plan is to start the draft after the 2nd week of preseason games. I believe the date is 21 August. TB, send me your password for Fleaflicker, so I can set it up and see how difficult it would be for us to add defenses. If it turns out to be pretty easy to set up, we can have another yet vote (whooppee).
Scott, send me the admin password for the myfantasyleague site.
PS Terry Tate and GCobb still on the clock.
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| 138 | TrashHaulers
ID: 460511418
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 19:47
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I vote for ST TD's.
As for Defense's... does anyone want the 18th ranked D? I'm just not sure there are enough good D's for this format. Depends on what the point values would be. If we keep them low, then it might work. But if one D can score 30-40 and another could get zero, then the lack of depth would be to dratic.
The other factor would be bye weeks for D's... might hurt more than other positions... unless, once again, we keep the pt values low.
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| 139 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 20:14
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Shak, I just made you the commish in the WP league.
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| 140 | RBP
ID: 186573021
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 21:12
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let try and figure it out...probably bucknuts, rbp or qazxsw then change it.
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| 141 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 22:39
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I don't think anyone would want the 18th ranked Defense, but then again, no one wants the 18th ranked QB or RB or WR or even K, but someone has to. That's just the nature of the beast. I think if we keep the DT scoring similar to the K scoring, it would work.
Using the scoring system below, defenses will score slightly more than kickers. The average kicker last year scored about 105 points and the average defense would have been about 120.
The scoring system is 2 points for each turnover, 1 point for each sack, 2 points for safeties, and 6 points for each TD.
I think it's easily do-able. If we decide to do it, the question becomes whether we increase the rosters by one or two. I think increasing it by two gives owners more options for backups.
What say you?
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| 142 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Thu, Aug 02, 2007, 04:21
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On second thought lets just keep it like it is, but Yeah there is no difference in having the 18th ranked QB/RB over the 18th ranked defense in principal it should work out similar.
Buddy doesn't really believe what he said, that's just his "Never agree with an Edneck clause" it can't be done, rules of engagement or something..:-)
Plus some people never paid me for the playoffs thingy I won..I guess that domination was a freebee for some! You know who you are.
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| 143 | GCobb
ID: 50681620
Thu, Aug 02, 2007, 05:08
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Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3. RBP (best spot in the HOUSE!)
4. Tribe
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. GCobb
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
I believe the Reaper is up.
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| 144 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Thu, Aug 02, 2007, 08:18
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Terry Tate and Grim Reaper OTC
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| 145 | terry tate
ID: 2073029
Thu, Aug 02, 2007, 10:30
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Ill take the 9 spot, if its taken I'll take the 11 spot.
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| 146 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Thu, Aug 02, 2007, 11:38
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Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2.
3. Joe
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9. Terry Tate
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Shak and Grim Rapper OTC
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| 147 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Thu, Aug 02, 2007, 11:38
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Shak I think they just gift wrapped JAckdon for ya!!
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| 148 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Thu, Aug 02, 2007, 11:42
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JAckdon? yeah he's the new stud in town, good old Jackon, JAckoff's brother
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| 149 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Thu, Aug 02, 2007, 18:20
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That was unexpected.
Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2. Shak
3. Joe
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9. Terry Tate
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
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17.
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Harmon and Grim Rapper OTC
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| 150 | Kris Krenzke
ID: 26681922
Thu, Aug 02, 2007, 19:47
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Reaper picks 5 in Iron Mike
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| 151 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Thu, Aug 02, 2007, 19:58
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Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3. RBP
4. Tribe
5. Grim Reaper
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. GCobb
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Harmon and STB OTC
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| 152 | harmonj
ID: 41673119
Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 09:42
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Bill Walsh - 5
Iron Mike - 9
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| 153 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 10:31
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Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2. Shak
3. Joe
4. Edneck
5. Harmon
6.
7.
8.
9. Terry Tate
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
JHHH & STB OTC
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| 154 | jhhh
ID: 22652319
Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 11:38
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Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2. Shak
3. Joe
4. Edneck
5. Harmon
6. JHHH
7.
8.
9. Terry Tate
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Midget Mauler and STB on the clock!
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| 155 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 12:00
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Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2. Shak
3. Joe
4. Edneck
5. Harmon
6. JHHH
7.
8.
9. Terry Tate
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Next Up:
Midget Mauler
TB
Steve
TrashHaulers
STB
Grim Reaper
GCobb
Tribe
RBP
He Hate Me
BSB
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| 156 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 12:01
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Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3. RBP
4. Tribe
5. Grim Reaper
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. GCobb
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Next Up:
STB
TrashHaulers
Steve
TB
Midget Mauler
JHHH
Edneck
RaiderHaters
Shak
Terry Tate
The Joe
SupaMario
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| 157 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 12:20
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Just to wrap up the entry fee vote, I didn't count them up, but $50 was the majority vote. I think next year we can discuss raising the entry fee earlier and for those that can't afford it, they can play in one division. Send your entry fee here:
At this point I'm accepting snail mail checks only. Send your $50 to...
Scott McCoy
8901 Birch Park Circle
Eagle River, AK 99577
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| 158 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 12:24
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More housekeeping.
In the Dead Horse voting, the majority is to allow players to receive credit for any ST TDs they score.
The next vote is whether or not we should add Defenses. Get out the vote.
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| 159 | jhhh
ID: 22652319
Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 12:40
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Scotty, for those that aren't snail mail type of people anymore do you have a PayPal address we can send to?
Cheers, Jon
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| 160 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 13:11
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I agree, Scotty, you need to get your PayPal up and running.
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| 161 | SupaMario
ID: 206312416
Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 14:56
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Yeah, yeah!! Paypal, paypal!!
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| 162 | STB
ID: 26728313
Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 15:02
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Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3. RBP
4. Tribe
5. Grim Reaper
6.
7. STB
8.
9.
10. GCobb
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Next Up:
TrashHaulers
Steve
TB
Midget Mauler
JHHH
Edneck
RaiderHaters
Shak
Terry Tate
The Joe
SupaMario
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| 163 | Jeff G.
ID: 336582715
Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 15:47
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Lemme take a moment to pimp my league.......
I have 2 openings in a contract/keeper league that's starting fresh. Tim, Kris, Steve J & I currently play in it. $110 a yr plus optional games. One team drafts #1, the other #6. If you or ya know someone that's interested, lemme know so I can send ya the link to check out the rules, scoring etc.
dabearzfan54@comcast.net
240 501-2617
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| 164 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 17:29
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Hey guys, I might not be around to pick my draft slot so just give me the first one available.
Iron Mike: 6, 8, and then 9 are my prefs
Bill Walsh: 7 then 8.
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| 165 | TrashHaulers
ID: 460511418
Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 22:50
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Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3. RBP
4. Tribe
5. Grim Reaper
6. TrashHaulers
7. STB
8.
9.
10. GCobb
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Next Up:
Steve
TB
Midget Mauler
JHHH
Edneck
RaiderHaters
Shak
Terry Tate
The Joe
SupaMario
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| 166 | Steve
ID: 316301721
Sat, Aug 04, 2007, 04:07
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Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3. RBP
4. Tribe
5. Grim Reaper
6. TrashHaulers
7. STB
8.
9. Steve
10. GCobb
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Next Up:
TB
Midget Mauler
JHHH
Edneck
RaiderHaters
Shak
Terry Tate
The Joe
SupaMario
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| 167 | Ednecks for TB
ID: 4110311923
Sat, Aug 04, 2007, 07:27
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Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3. RBP
4. Tribe
5. Grim Reaper
6. TrashHaulers
7. STB
8. TB
9. Steve
10. GCobb
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Next Up:
Midget Mauler
JHHH
Edneck
RaiderHaters
Shak
Terry Tate
The Joe
SupaMario
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| 168 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Sat, Aug 04, 2007, 07:32
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Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2. Shak
3. Joe
4. Edneck
5. Harmon
6. JHHH
7.
8.
9. Terry Tate
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Next Up:
Midget Mauler
TB
Steve
TrashHaulers
STB
Grim Reaper
GCobb
Tribe
RBP
He Hate Me
BSB
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| 169 | jhhh
ID: 22652319
Sat, Aug 04, 2007, 16:44
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if MM shows up give me the lowest draft position available, 11 or 12. thanks, jhhh
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| 170 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 06:35
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In post #117 I asked for better participation and BSB asked "participate for what". I think it's pretty obvious that all it takes is one player/team to slow and drag down the league for days...that's what I mean by being a active participate in this Survivor league, If your going to be away state so and make arrangements. Check in once a day if possible. I mean last year I was in the middle of the remote Highlands of Scotland on vacation and I found a internet Cafe once a day there, so I think we can all check in at least once a day.
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| 171 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 06:47
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MM's last post was on Jul 27th and it said:
"Thats cool. Maybe ill get lucky and he will roll a 98. haha.
Im ready for this draft to get moving!"
Anybody work with this guy or know him?
His idea of lets get moving is different then mine.
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| 172 | Kris Krenzke
ID: 26681922
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 09:17
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Time Limits PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 173 | TrashHaulers
ID: 460511418
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 11:26
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Ed, well stated! You da man. Nuff said. Check in or have someone do it for ya. Don't be a fantasy roadblock!
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| 174 | Midget Mauler
ID: 43645270
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 12:31
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Calm down folks i have not been able to check in since Friday due to the internet sucking here in Germany. And not able to look at this at work so i was screwed.
But i dont know what the rush is now because if can recall it was stated that we were not going to draft until the 2nd or 3rd week of preseason which leave us about 2 weeks. Anyhow ill take
#8 Bill Walsh
#13 Iron Mike
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| 175 | jhhh
ID: 22652319
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 12:53
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Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2. Shak
3. Joe
4. Edneck
5. Harmon
6. JHHH
7.
8. Midget Mauler
9. Terry Tate
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Next Up:
TB
Steve
TrashHaulers
STB
Grim Reaper
GCobb
Tribe
RBP
He Hate Me
BSB
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| 176 | jhhh
ID: 22652319
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 12:55
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Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3. RBP
4. Tribe
5. Grim Reaper
6. TrashHaulers
7. STB
8. TB
9. Steve
10. GCobb
11. JHHH
12.
13. Midget Mauler
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Next Up:
Edneck
RaiderHaters
Shak
Terry Tate
The Joe
SupaMario
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| 177 | Ednecks
ID: 4110311923
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 15:04
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Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3. RBP
4. Tribe
5. Grim Reaper
6. TrashHaulers
7. STB
8. TB
9. Steve
10. GCobb
11. JHHH
12. Edneck
13. Midget Mauler
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Next Up:
RaiderHaters
Shak
Terry Tate
The Joe
SupaMario
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| 178 | RBP
ID: 186573021
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 20:36
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Back from the weekend...caught a nice Silver Salmon Saturday and took 12 pinks today in less than 60 minutes with 3 kids today. I caught three fish on my first three casts and untangled lines, tied tackle and pretty much tried not to be snagged by a kid the rest of the way. Good times.
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| 179 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 21:54
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Midget Mauler, I guess the problem is if all 18 owners took 48 hours, it would take us over a month to establish the draft positions. Several people have had the courtesy to post or email that they will not be around for a day or so and have predrafted a position, so to speak. Now if your internet outage was unforeseen, I can understand that, but for you to keep everyone waiting for 2 days and then think there is nothing wrong with that is inconsiderate in my book. Take it for what it's worth.
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| 180 | Shak for TB
ID: 526391622
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 21:57
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Per post 164
Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2. Shak
3. Joe
4. Edneck
5. Harmon
6. JHHH
7. TB
8. Midget Mauler
9. Terry Tate
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Next Up:
Steve
TrashHaulers
STB
Grim Reaper
GCobb
Tribe
RBP
He Hate Me
BSB
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| 181 | Steve
ID: 43758520
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 21:58
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Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2. Shak
3. Joe
4. Edneck
5. Harmon
6. JHHH
7. TB
8. Midget Mauler
9. Terry Tate
10. Steve
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Next Up:
TrashHaulers
STB
Grim Reaper
GCobb
Tribe
RBP
He Hate Me
BSB
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| 182 | Steve
ID: 43758520
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 22:05
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MM....will you be able to address your internet issues before the draft starts? If its not an issue lets all just make sure we make alternate arrangements for our draft picks to include using the pre-draft option on the website.
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| 183 | RBP
ID: 186573021
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 22:28
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When it's my pick in the BW give me the loswest pick available. I figure I'll draft Brady Quinn and Teddy Ginn Jr. 1 and 2 so the better value is at 18 and 19 ;-)
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| 184 | TrashHaulers
ID: 460511418
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 23:12
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Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2. Shak
3. Joe
4. Edneck
5. Harmon
6. JHHH
7. TB
8. Midget Mauler
9. Terry Tate
10. Steve
11. TrashHaulers
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Next Up:
STB
Grim Reaper
GCobb
Tribe
RBP
He Hate Me
BSB
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| 185 | Midget Mauler
ID: 43645270
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 00:37
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THe internet here is terrible. Not sure why Germans are so far behind when it comes to stuff like this. As for the draft I will make arrangments for that, (it probably wont be me drafting but there will be someone taking care of it.) I do check the site everyday i just dont post.
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| 186 | STB
ID: 26728313
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 00:50
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Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2. Shak
3. Joe
4. Edneck
5. Harmon
6. JHHH
7. TB
8. Midget Mauler
9. Terry Tate
10. Steve
11. TrashHaulers
12. STB
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Next Up:
Grim Reaper
GCobb
Tribe
RBP
He Hate Me
BSB
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| 187 | harmonj
ID: 3116113
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 10:25
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Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3. RBP
4. Tribe
5. Grim Reaper
6. TrashHaulers
7. STB
8. TB
9. Steve
10. GCobb
11. JHHH
12. Edneck
13. Midget Mauler
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.Raider Haters
Next Up:
Shak
Terry Tate
The Joe
SupaMario
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| 188 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 13:19
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Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3. RBP
4. Tribe
5. Grim Reaper
6. TrashHaulers
7. STB
8. TB
9. Steve
10. GCobb
11. JHHH
12. Edneck
13. Midget Mauler
14.
15.
16. Shak
17.
18.Raider Haters
Next Up:
Terry Tate
The Joe
SupaMario
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| 189 | Jeff G.
ID: 336582715
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 21:22
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Could we get a list of everyone's email so we can make some trades easier???
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| 190 | RBP
ID: 186573021
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 21:22
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TT is in Aviano, Italy...I have no idea what time of day it is there. An email to mike zulawski at Aviano should do te htrick if you can find him.
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| 191 | Midget Mauler
ID: 43645270
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 23:04
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I think they are 7 hours ahead of east coast there.
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| 192 | Kris Krenzke
ID: 26681922
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 23:07
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Grim reaper takes 13 in Bill Walsh
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| 193 | Ednecks for GR
ID: 4110311923
Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 02:45
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Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2. Shak
3. Joe
4. Edneck
5. Harmon
6. JHHH
7. TB
8. Midget Mauler
9. Terry Tate
10. Steve
11. TrashHaulers
12. STB
13. Grim Reaper
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
Next Up:
GCobb
Tribe
RBP
He Hate Me
BSB
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| 194 | Edneck
ID: 4110311923
Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 10:53
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I was thinking about taking the #18 slot because the Rb's from 12-18 are about the same calibur and I do like the back-to-back action. The reason I didn't was having to sit around for 36 picks would drive me insane watching all that talent leave the board.
Addai in most of the early drafts I've seen is going pretty early, even before Alexander, Gore and Westbrook....interesting!! I'm thnking he might not be a bad pick over SA...Hey i'm all about getting players off great Offense's.
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| 195 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 11:24
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Steve shared this article with me about how the top end of the draft has the advantage because it gets the best value for it's picks in a serpentine draft format. By the way everyone selects draft positions in this league, I think everyone would agree. The article advocates using a 3rd round reversal (3RR) format. This format is the same as a serpentine, except the 3rd round is reversed, so the 18th spot would pick first in rounds 2, 3, and 4. The 1 spot would pick first in the 1st and then 1st again in the 5th.
In this league, it's pretty obvious that everyone wants to draft near the top -- no one that has selected early has selected below the middle. It's almost like the selecting for draft positions is too simple -- many owners say just give me the earliest position.
I wouldn't mind next year considering a different draft format. To me, the 3RR seems pretty extreme. How does everyone feel about a variation where the 18th spot picks first in rounds 2 and 3, then back to the serpentine. It would look like this:
1-18
18-1
18-1
1-18
18-1
and serpentine the rest of the way. I think this brings more strategy into selecting draft position. Do you really want #1 if you are now picking at the end of rounds 2 and 3. According to the article, this format still gives the top part of the draft the advantage, but it closes the advantage some.
I know this league is resistant to change, but I think this is the wave of the future and more and more league websites are beginning to realize the advantage the early draft positions have.
What do you think?
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| 196 | Steve
ID: 34492918
Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 12:41
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This is something I read on Footballguys.com. There are other articles about other ways to draft. If this is something you want more info about I can email the articles to you. With this many teams a straight serpentine draft is really difficult.
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| 197 | Edneck
ID: 4110311923
Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 14:23
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I think one way to test these draft schemes is that we try the one format Shak mentioned in one of our leagues next year (Iron Mike) and use a regular serpentine draft in the other (Bill Walsh) and see how that pans out and see if it actually evens out the playing field against the early round picks...I don't think we really can tell if it will make a difference until we try it once at least...sounds like it should even things out, but every year we have people drafting late in the hunt or winnning, so is that just being a better drafter or are the guys drafting early just bad...for ex: is a healthy Portis and Travis Henry draft @18,19 a better situation then say LT and Boldin..probably not, but a lot closer then you think IMO
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| 198 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 15:28
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I agree with your example that the two players you get at 18 and 19 are not too far off from the 1 and 36. I guess I'm basing my argument on the fact that picking drafting positions is now almost a no-brainer. No one wants to go out on a limb and pick from the back end of the draft if they can pick in the top 12 spots. Adding this dimension to the draft will make it a tougher decision on where to draft.
I'd certainly vote to make one of the divisions next year this version if we can modify the draft site to do it. I don't think it currently can, but maybe they will fix it for next year.
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| 199 | The Joe
ID: 66201615
Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 17:12
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Ill be off line for awhile (i think, unless they have internet in Houston????) Just in case, Ill take 14 or 15, whichever one is left after titty tate picks
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| 200 | Edneck
ID: 4110311923
Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 17:32
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I'm all for a more stratigic league, If that means making the draft a thinking mans game then that's fine with me. It will mean guys like Joe havn't a chance without consulting a expert at one of his sites (ESPN) or writing in and saying "Help big Brother" they changed the rules!!
:-)
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| 201 | GCobb
ID: 50681620
Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 19:53
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I'll take the corner. It is a long wait between picks but I like having the back-to-back picks...eliminates the guess work on who will be left.
Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2. Shak
3. Joe
4. Edneck
5. Harmon
6. JHHH
7. TB
8. Midget Mauler
9. Terry Tate
10. Steve
11. TrashHaulers
12. STB
13. Grim Reaper
14.
15.
16.
17.
18. Gcobb
Next Up:
Tribe
RBP
He Hate Me
BSB
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| 202 | TB
ID: 53633209
Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 22:32
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Thanks Ed and Shak for picking my two spots for me.
As for the discussion on draft spots, I usually prefer being near the bottom so I can go RB-RB and get value. Normally you have the top tier, then very solid starters, and then a large drop-off. Last year the top tier was LJ, SA, and LT, and then it seemed like there were another 14-16 solid choices as RB starters. This year I'm thinking LT is the only for sure top tier guy. Then you have Jackson and LJ. Then who? Broken hand Gore, never carried the team Addai, always injured Westbrook, I can fumble when I want to Henry? FWP, SA, RJ, Portis? I guess I do have Addai and FWP up there and would roll the dice on SA coming back, but for the most part have the "next group" lumped in with quite a few guys. I picked high so I could get a better return in the third round. If we flip-flopped the 3rd round, who wouldn't want to pick at 18th? 18-19-37 would be sweet. I guess I would rather have LT with the first pick and take my chances from there, but I think we'd see the bottom filled up quicker than the top.
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| 203 | RBP
ID: 186573021
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 02:20
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Gimme lowest spot available, I don't want to be the dude holding things up.
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| 204 | Tribe
ID: 506591711
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 04:41
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Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2. Shak
3. Joe
4. Edneck
5. Harmon
6. JHHH
7. TB
8. Midget Mauler
9. Terry Tate
10. Steve
11. TrashHaulers
12. STB
13. Grim Reaper
14.
15.
16.
17. Tribe
18. Gcobb
Next Up:
RBP
He Hate Me
BSB
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| 205 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 09:26
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I was going to pick 14 for RBP, but I'm not sure what he meant by lowest.
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| 206 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 09:27
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Terry Tate, about to enter the 48-hour club.
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| 207 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 14:34
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While we wait for the draft order to get done, I thought I would share this moving tribute about Bill Walsh.
SAN FRANCISCO—Funeral services for legendary football coach Bill Walsh began Wednesday as friends and family of the offensive innovator bore his coffin down the aisle of the San Francisco Unitarian church in a series of short but precise passes, finally placing Walsh's earthly remains on the bier with a moving display of West Coast-style pallbearing that took a respectful nine minutes to cover over 85 steps. "This was exactly the way Coach would have wanted it," said Joe Montana, who overcame his evident grief to lead multiple platoons of well-coordinated mourners including Mike Holmgren, George Seifert, Tony Dungy, Jerry Rice, and Walsh's wife and children in a series of scripted passes that took advantage of the timing and teamwork Walsh drilled into his loved ones during his life. "Bill Walsh believed that good football should be elegant, almost beautiful, and involve everyone's strengths, and though it might sound corny, we wanted his memorial service to be the same way." Several prominent football figures in attendance said it was the most impressive memorial display since the 1970 funeral of Vince Lombardi, who was finally laid to rest in a grinding series of brutal pulling-guard sweeps that utterly overpowered the opposing Chicago Bears.
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| 208 | Shak for RBP
ID: 336361613
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 15:14
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Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2. Shak
3. Joe
4. Edneck
5. Harmon
6. JHHH
7. TB
8. Midget Mauler
9. Terry Tate
10. Steve
11. TrashHaulers
12. STB
13. Grim Reaper
14.
15.
16. RBP
17. Tribe
18. Gcobb
Next Up:
He Hate Me
BSB
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| 209 | Jeff G.
ID: 336582715
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 15:31
|
Bill Walsh Division
1. SupaMario
2. Shak
3. Joe
4. Edneck
5. Harmon
6. JHHH
7. TB
8. Midget Mauler
9. Terry Tate
10. Steve
11. TrashHaulers
12. STB
13. Grim Reaper
14.
15. He Hate Me
16. RBP
17. Tribe
18. Gcobb
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| 210 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 15:35
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That wraps up the BW division. Once TT shows up and we finish off the IMD division, i will set up the draft and send out the invites to everyone. We will again use Myfantasyleague for the draft and fleaflicker for the live scoring.
Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3. RBP
4. Tribe
5. Grim Reaper
6. TrashHaulers
7. STB
8. TB
9. Steve
10. GCobb
11. JHHH
12. Edneck
13. Midget Mauler
14.
15.
16. Shak
17.
18.Raider Haters
Next Up:
Terry Tate
The Joe
SupaMario
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| 211 | terry tate
ID: 36759823
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 00:59
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sorry everyone, I'll take 14.
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| 212 | Shak
ID: 336361613
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 12:44
|
Alright Joe, let's put this baby to bed.
Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3. RBP
4. Tribe
5. Grim Reaper
6. TrashHaulers
7. STB
8. TB
9. Steve
10. GCobb
11. JHHH
12. Edneck
13. Midget Mauler
14. Terry Tate
15.
16. Shak
17.
18.Raider Haters
Next Up:
The Joe
SupaMario
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| 213 | RBP
ID: 186573021
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 19:34
|
OK, so when are we looking at drafting? Soon I figure unless THE JOE keeps us waiting another week... :-)
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| 214 | SupaMario
ID: 206312416
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 12:39
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See post #199, and I will obviously take the last one
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| 215 | Edneck
ID: 4110311923
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 13:39
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Iron Mike Division
1. BSB
2. He Hate Me
3. RBP
4. Tribe
5. Grim Reaper
6. TrashHaulers
7. STB
8. TB
9. Steve
10. GCobb
11. JHHH
12. Edneck
13. Midget Mauler
14. Terry Tate
15. The Joe
16. Shak
17. Supamario
18.Raider Haters
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| 216 | RBP
ID: 186573021
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 19:40
|
Woot!
Send your $50 to
Scott McCoy
8901 Birch Park Circle
Eagle River, AK 99507
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| 217 | The Joe
ID: 66201615
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 21:02
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NO ONE WAITED ON ME, PLEASE READ POST 199 BEFORE YOU TALK CRAP! Come on guys, Im a vet, I've never kept you all waiting...
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| 218 | RBP
ID: 186573021
Sat, Aug 11, 2007, 14:33
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Simmer down THE JOE.
//Signed//
THE RBP
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| 219 | Midget Mauler
ID: 30738125
Sun, Aug 12, 2007, 06:38
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Have we set a date for the draft to begin. Ill be going TDY on Thursday so ill be out of pocket for a couple days.
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| 220 | Shak
ID: 526391622
Sun, Aug 12, 2007, 18:13
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The draft will start at 10pm ET on the 20th. We've started a new thread.
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