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Subject: Rotoguru Auction Discussion

Posted by: Frick - Donor [3410101718] Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 08:04

Without clogging up the bidding thread here's a place to make comments about the draft.

I didn't get back on the computer last night due to visiting relatives, I thought it would be rude to be in the room with them while there were trying to sleep. When I wake up this morning LdT has been posted and in the space of 5 or 6 bids gone to $68. Well then, I guess I just won't sleep the rest of the draft!

This is probably the most fun and interactive draft of the year, I watch the bidding threads constantly, well if I don't have relatives getting in the way.

Congrats on the first player Sarge!

Now the real question, did you really want him? I'm going to guess yes, based on an extremely vague memory that you have had Johnson in several other leagues. Dang, I should have bumped that bid.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 10:00

lmao In truth, the answer to your question s "no, I didnt". BUT, I had him valued higher, so I dont feel at all bad about getting him for $14.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 11:43

For clarification on the part of your aging commish...

could each manager whose team name, bears no resemblance to: their real name. their email addy, or their rotoguru screen-name please post, your team name for me? That way, I make certain to assign the right players to the right teams.

Thank-you!!

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 14:33

Loco Ochenta y Ocho = The Beezer

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 14:51

Fontes of Wisdom = DWetzel

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 14:52

And yeah, I think Johnson was a decent value, especially for an opening round player.

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 14:55

Crap, I guess I'm screwed. My plan of getting Peyton Manning for $1 appears to have failed.

On a side note: Sarge, can you get me good deal on a used car? I got tagged by someone on my home for lunch today. I turned left and the car that hit me was in a blindspot behind an on coming car heading left. Somehow in a 35mph zone he managed to hit me hard enough to spin my car 270 degrees and deploy the B pillar airbag (passenger side). This was after he probably had 70 or 80 feet to stop. I know that it wasn't enough time to come to a complete stop, but speeding is extremely common on the road. I apologize for the rant, I'm sore and without a car and soon to have higher deductibles.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 15:04

Crap, I guess I'm screwed. My plan of getting Peyton Manning for $1 appears to have failed.

Not to say "I told ya so"....but...... *evil smirk*

cant do much for ya on a car Frick. I switched over to Powersports about a year ago. I can make you a hell of a deal on a 2000 Goldwing though. :)

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 17:29

Can you put carseats on the backseat of the Goldwing?

I was contemplating a higher bid on LdT, but the car wreck has thrown my afternoon into disarray.

Hopefully I'll get a chance to get caught up this evening.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 17:33

here's a pic of my wing L-O-A-D-E-D for a camping trip. (and some shots of the trip as well.)

you can out ALOT of stuff on a WIng if you want to. :)

Sarge on a 2-day 2 bike camping trip

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 17:57

Just when I am about to post about being able to stay home tonight and keep up with the auction and keep my charts up to date real-time I get a phone call to play cards. I really enjoyed the mock draft because I was able to keep up either at home or in the office. Since I am at a fair all week handing out information (95 degrees 50% humidity yesterday) I am not able to keep up until I get home around 4 or 5. GRR! At least I am able to bid.

Frick, sorry to hear about your accident. Hope you aren't too sore.

Sarge, that's a ton of stuff. Nice pictures of the bikes too.

Sidenote: LdT went way to cheap IMHO, but I wasn't willing to fork out 1/3 my roster's value on one player. Call me a penny pincher if you want.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 18:00

<---Had Lt valued at $71 and was NOT willing to get him for the "bargain" price of $69 by submitting a bump bid.

lmao...damn near thought I was gonna get "stuck" with Manning for the bargain bin price of $33!! Didnt need to have $62 in 2 QBs though. Glad he got bumped, even if only a little.

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 18:06

Well lets see when his bid is up I'll put my 2 cents in.

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 19:10

I have to admit I'm confused. Can I get a list of managers by forum name.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 19:20

SARGE...sarge33rd
C DIDDY...wiggs
SLOWHAND...slowhand
KYLES BID...kyle
JACKHAMMERS...jackhammers
FRICK...frick
LOCO 88...beezer
YOUNGROMAN...yr
ANTEATERS...scarecrow
WISDOM...dwetzel
BREWFAN
HOOTERVILLE...wolfer

this is what I have Frick. Not sure which manager is Brewfan atm.

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 21:22

Process of elimination, Brewfan = Golffreak?

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 21:56

bingo...thanks!

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 21:59

Well I am a rookie at this auction league;but I had LT valued a bit higher than that so I'm quite happy to get him at this price.I need to take some time and look at my budget and find where to spend this unexpected windfall :)

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 22:21

Budget? Valued?

I'm doomed. :)

On another note, Sarge (or whoever), would you mind posting the times in Guru 24-hour time? That's much easier than re-converting the translation from Eastern Time Zone-ese for us flyover-state people. :)

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 00:09

My spreadsheet at home, automatically converts to an am/pm time display. The one at work, used whatever format I input. Sorry about the inconvenience...but in all honesty, I dont think its all that much trouble, and I dont always have the time to convert each and every entry.

Frick
ID: 21041187
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 06:58

If you are using Excel it should be easy to change the format.

If you need you need step by step instructions, I can post them.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 10:18

At work its Excel....at home it isnt.

24 hr clock 101:

IF it is pm, add 1200 to get the "military time"...

ie 2:20 pm = 2:20 plus 12:00 = 14:20

conversely, subtract the 12:00 to get "civilian" time

15:45...-12:00 = 3:45 pm

**********************************

to figure out a bids scheduled end time..

add 0800

11:20 plus 0800 = 19:20
19:20 - 12:00 = 7:20 pm

IF the time goes beyond 2400 once you have added the 0800, THEN add another 0800 for the 8 hr clock stoppage AND subtract 2400 from the total since there are only 24 hrs in the day):

18:45 bid time

18:45 plus 0800 = 26:45

26:45 plus 0800 = 34:45

34:45 - 24:00 = 10:45

thus a bid submitted at 18:45 (6:45pm) and not bumped, will win the player at 10:45 the following morning.)

FRIDAY nights, the clock stops at 6pm eastern (1800) as posted by rotoguru and does not start again until Monday morning at 0800 eastern (as posted by rotoguru)

SO...a bid submitted at 3:30pm Fri (or 15:30)

The clock is off from 6pm to 8 am or 14 hrs. (We can ignore sat-sun for the computation)

15:30 plus 0800 (for the 8 hrs bid time) plus 1400 (the 14 hr clock stoppage) = 37:30

37:30 - 24:00 = 13:30

So on 13:30 MONDAY, assuming that bid isnt bumped, it wins the bid upon player.

Hopefully, that helps more than confuses.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 11:35

Decided to try something a little different this year. In the past, I like most, went for Rbs first and second. Always it seems, my WRs have "hurt" me. This year, I went for a core of solid WRs, and I for one like what I got for my primary 3. Now...to see what it costs me in the way of my RBs..........

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 12:00

Sarge, hopefully for your sake Michael Vick can get RB eligibility.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 12:04

lmao...you're assuming he gets work release? ;)

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 12:10

Checking the schedule, do they play the Redskins in Washington? That might qualify as not leaving the area...

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 12:17

Not so sure about that, BUT...in a 'longest yard' league...he's likely to be the nr1 overall pick.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 13:46

lol was almost willing to bet YR was going to name either a K or a D with this spot...and he did.

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 13:56

I first thought about Larry Johnson but he was already on the board, so it had to be the best fantasy kicker of the 2006 season.

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 16:38

consistent values for the 2nd tier at QB: Brees, Bulger, Brady all went for $29.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 16:40

2nd tier?????? I have Bulger forecast as the nr 4 QB in the NFL under our scoring system.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 16:42

'course I guess a body could argue, that P Manning is 1st tier all by his lonesome and everyone else is either 2nd tier or worse. *shrug*

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 16:50

for me Peyton is the 1st tier alone. question is if the additional $16 are really worth it.

interesting is that Carson Palmer is getting more love then the mentioned members of the 2nd-tier. I'm satisfied with Brees for $29. a bit more than I thought to buy for my QB1 but still good value.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 19:48

WTF???? Nr1 K from last season goes unchallenged at $1 and the projected nr5 gets ramped up immediately??????????

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 21:53

Sarge, I hate to be a nit, but did the clock not stop at 18:00 (as you explained in post 21 above)... so all those "sold players" that came up after 18:00 should still be on the board?

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 21:55

ohhhhhh shrit...you are correct...

I forgot that its Friday. (The hazards of working Tue thru Sat vs the traditional Mon-fri)

Give me a few minutes to correct things.

THANK-YOU, sincerely, for paying attention!

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 21:57

You're welcome. I planned to reevaluate this weekend on a few people (*ahem* Alexander *ahem*), thus was surprised when they were gone.

Frick
ID: 21041187
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 22:16

Sarge, according to the post in this thread the clock doesn't stop until 10:00 PM on Friday. If it is posted differently in the rules post with the scoring, I feel that should over rule the post in the thread I linked.

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 22:31

Well, let's put it this way:

You have that one...
there's the one directly above (post 21) that says something different...
and the "rules" thread (the Rotoguru Auction League '07-'08, discussion thread) does not speak to the Friday night deadline at all.

So, I'm at minimum confused.

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 22:35

I don't have a problem with the earlier deadline, it seems like the better of the options IMO. The reason I say it is the better of the options is because if someone check around noon, they could expect that anyone who was bid after 10:00 AM on Friday could not be finalized until Monday morning.

Just my $.02 on the matter. I trust Sarge to make the call that he feels is correct.

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 22:47

I agree with everything you just said. Especially the last part.

(Trust me, I'm really not trying to be That Guy.)

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 22:49

truth of the matter is...I knew I had called for an earlier clock stoppage on Fris than the rest of the week when I posted above. Just couldnt find where I had said when. Sooooo, I posted the 18:00 above, that was the most recewnt "declaration" and it went uncontested. I think in all fairness then, I have to own upto the 18:00 stoppage and reset things to that point.

Its gonna take me a little time, but I will get it rectified relatively shortly.

Again...my apologies to all for the confusion and the error.

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 23:36

Just suspend bidding until tomorrow sometime, take your time. At this point, no plays are going to be sold until Monday morning regardless of what you end up posting.

My $.02 Close the bidding thread and post a new one tomorrow. And on that I'm going to bed.

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Sat, Aug 11, 2007, 01:10

Hey sarge, no worries my friend. But thanks for all the extra work you went to. I commish 4 standard draft leagues,and this is tons more work.
You do a great job and I really appreciate it.

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Aug 12, 2007, 09:17

just a friendly reminder...the bid clock restarts at 0800 tomorrow.

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Aug 13, 2007, 08:12

clock is running gentlemen...

continue to use the Fri 8/10 Nr4 thread for the time being. (There are only 4 posts under it atm)

I'll be out for the next several hours, but should be back prior to noon.

Wiggs as Asst Commish, can ake the 15 min declarations to close a players bidding and award that player to a manager.

Thanks again for your patience on Fri as I restored things.

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Mon, Aug 13, 2007, 09:20

Back home. Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! ]
Thanks for all the help while we were camping. Kids had a blast!
But now its back to work, 9 days off should just be a pile of crap wait for me. ;)

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Aug 13, 2007, 14:12

I can imagine GF...WB!

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Mon, Aug 13, 2007, 18:51

So, uh, yeah... I may be done for a while.

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Aug 13, 2007, 19:52

lmao ya think? :)

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Tue, Aug 14, 2007, 13:23

Sarge

Could you please make a new thread later. (2ish)
Work has blocked RotoG so will be using my cell.
Thanks!!!

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Tue, Aug 14, 2007, 18:48

I'm out for a couple of hours. I believe I've won on Green and Favre, so once they have closed please post these two to the nomination thread. Thanks.

Tony Romo, QB, DAL, $1
Adrian Peterson, RB, MIN, $1

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Aug 14, 2007, 18:54

Beezer? You going for the "all GB alumni team"???

Driver/Green/Favre

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Aug 14, 2007, 19:29

I show 33 players awarded as of the time stamp for this post. Does that jive with what everyone else has?

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Tue, Aug 14, 2007, 19:58

It wasn't until I added Josh Brown :)

My quick rundown (team $left/players bought)

Me $45/5
Beezer $153/3
Frick $163/1
Golffreak $200/0
Jackhammers $164/2
Kyle $134/3
Sarge $119/4
Scarecrow $145/2
Slowhand $92/3
Wiggs $161/1
Wolfer $123/5
YR $97/4

That look right?

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Tue, Aug 14, 2007, 21:05

matches my records.

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Tue, Aug 14, 2007, 23:43

3mins from my 1st player :P

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Tue, Aug 14, 2007, 23:44

congrats Golf!!

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Tue, Aug 14, 2007, 23:45

nope!!! missed it by 3mins. O well he broke his leg today! ;)

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Tue, Aug 14, 2007, 23:46

damn...missed that you got sniped Golf.

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 00:01

sarge, I figured a Vikes fan like you would catch that. :) I may have to nominate Sterling Sharpe next.

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 00:07

Funny story:

My wife and I are both in a very casual fantasy league (along with Scarecrow and a number of our other friends). A few years ago, she had Ed McCaffrey as one of her wide receivers.

First Monday night game of the year, Denver is playing. I forget who the Denver QB was (Griese?), but he had quite a first half going with Rod Smith. McCaffrey, meanwhile, had roughly one reception for -1 yard. I should probably mention that I am pretty sure I had Rod Smith on my team.

So, midway through the second quarter, after another Rod Smith catch for a nice gain, she exclaims "I wish Rod Smith would just break his leg!".

Not three plays later, Ed McCaffrey's leg was broken, and he was out for the season.

Lesson: Don't tick off my wife. Or, perhaps more importantly, don't be next to whoever ticks her off.

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 00:09

LOL!

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 10:22

shit werent funny! I had McAffrey that year. :(

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 10:29

sarge, I figured a Vikes fan like you would catch that. :) I may have to nominate Sterling Sharpe next.

broke leg???? who?? when??? gddmit...now ya got me paranoaid.

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 13:08

I have to say, watching the bidding right now is very entertaining. Which is good, I guess, because watching is about all I can do.

I may be starting Eric Hipple at QB this season... but then again, I may win with that.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 15:25

getting busy...will keep up as best I can.

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 16:28

It's so cute seeing you guys fight over Gore and Westbrook.

Really.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 17:03

just want to make certain there is no misunderstanding or miscommunication...

the remaining moneys form your intial $200 for this auction, is what you have for the entire season to use to try and pickup free agents.

wanted to be sure, that nobody is unclear on that.

IOW...you already got all the money you're gonna get for the season.

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 17:06

Oh, I know.

I'm putting in for a good medical plan for my guys. :) Hoping prayer will also help.

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 17:06

So we are bidding on FA players right?
What if no1 else wants the FA is there a min cost?

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 17:08

not bidding on FAs atm...no. Those will be during the regular season.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 17:12

sorry GF...misread your question..

FA is currently setup for bidding. Min cost? If you're the only manager bidding ona player (something you may not know ahead of time) then min bid would be $1. BUT...bid $1 and someone else bids $2...you lose. Bid $9 and be the only manager bidding, and you spent $9 to get a player you coulda had for $1.

:)

IOW...you pays your money, and you takes your chances.

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 17:19

sarge - this means that after the blind bidding deadline every free agent would also be available for $1. am I right?

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 18:15

nope...after the blind bidding period..Free Agency is closed until the following week.

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 19:18

wow! tricky. could u explain DL pick ups.

IF L. Evans ;p goes down for the year in week 1.
What are your options?

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 19:30

Dropping a player PRIOR to kickoff wk 6, returns 1/2 that players salary. (rounded down.) Droping a player AFTER wk 6 Kickoff, returns zero salary cap relief.

In the event of a starter who goes down at any time in the season, you have the option of calling for "Injury Priority" in the immediately following FA period. This gives you "first dip" into the pool, w/o regard to league standing. This option comes with requirements however....the FA taken MUST be of the same position as the player being replaced AND must start the following week for your. (I'm thinking too, that since these guys get taken w/0 other managers bidding against you, a minimum price needs to be set. Say $3 perhaps whwich is midway between the low possible of $1 and last years set price of $5)

Outside of Inj-Priority, I BELIEVE the site will accumulate our bids, then high bidder wins each player who was bid for.

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 22:03

Hmmm, it appears Hasselbeck started his career in Green Bay. This is getting hilarious.

gf
ID: 4239422
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 08:56

I have to head to a meeting up north. Limited access, I think I got Owens. If so would Like my new player to be R. Bush $25

thanks

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 09:57

Hmmm, it appears Hasselbeck started his career in Green Bay. This is getting hilarious.

<---waiting for Bubba Franks to be named at TE so I can bid him up on you. ;)

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 11:37

I show 47 players awarded. 180 equals a full league, so we're past the 25% mark now.

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 11:52

Pfft. 25%. I scoff.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 11:56

thats cause you're 97% broke. ;)

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 13:01

I prefer to think of it as "heavily invested in blue chip stocks".

And it's only 91%. :)

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 17:03

sarge - regarding post 75 I have a few possible scenarios and would like to know how to handle these situations right:

scenario 1: bye-week fill-in
we are prior to week 5 and I have a kicker that has a bye in this week. I am putting in a blind bid for a different kicker of $1 because a replacement kicker is never worth than $1. lets say a different manager has the same problem and is also bidding on the same kicker. the one of us with the better tie-breaker (based on rankings?) gets the kicker for $1, the other gets nothing and has no chance to get a kicker for week 5 if no free agents can be picked up after the blind-bidding-phase.

extension: if the system supports it I could bid $1 for kicker A and $1 for kicker B in case I don't get kicker A. I could even bid for kicker C in case I don't get kicker A or B and so on.

scenario 2: late injuries/inactivity
after the blind-bidding-phase and before my kickers game he gets injured because of an accident on his way to the stadium. since he is a kicker I have no kicker on the bench. usually I would just drop the kicker and pick up a new one for $1. if I can't pick up a free agent I am screwed and have to play without a kicker.

extension: my kicker is declared inactive 30 minutes before the start of the game because the new kid in town made three 60-yd field-goald in a row in Saturdays training and the coach wants to give him a shot.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 17:23

dammit...had a nice reply ready and had to reboot. :(

With the blind bids being new and with AOL being new, I honestly do not know if the site will allow input of a 1st-2nd-3rd choice. My best "opinion" at this stage, is if you want someone...pay for them. Else, you may not be getting them. *shrug*

As for why close down F/A outside of the bidding process, its because to not close it, negates the bidding process. Managers will just wait until they can get whomever for $1, and the whole point of the seasonal salary gets affectively tossed out the window. ALternately, it could be left open, but with a min F/A price outside of bidding, of $5 as per the previous years. (I'm open to input/suggestions here guys.)

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 17:25

If the bidding process on AOL is similar to the waiver system you put in claim priorities. i.e. If you are aware that 2 other managers also need a kicker that week you might want to put in 3 waiver claims, IIRC those can be set so that you only get 1 player and the unused waiver claims (i.e. bids) are canceled.

I think the injury claim is dependent on the injury being prior to the claim period. With the NFL's injury report even minor injuries can put a player on the probable list. If you kicker manages to fall out of his SUV on the way to the stadium, you either have to use a $5 claim or are SOL.

I in know way want the karma gods to think that I have a hatred of kickers, I would love for my kicker to be healthy for the entire season and I would love to not spend more than $2 for kickers this year.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 17:30

been wondering when Marvin would show on the board. :)

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 17:35

You need another receiver don't you Sarge?

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 17:35

bid on 3. :)

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 17:38

There's something on the current bid board that is amazingly funny if there were no more bids. It won't happen, but it would be funny.

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 17:40

agreed :)

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 18:55

Couldn't see it; but wanted to compliment Sarge on the steal of Gonzo at $7. I thought he would go for more than twice that and totally missed a chance to bid on him.
Steal of the aution so far Sarge!

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 18:56

cant disagree Slowhand. Thx. :)

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 19:20

I'll be gone all day tomorrow to a drinking...er... um... golf tournament.I'll check late tonite and if there is a possibility of me winning a player or two I could email someone who will be around my new players.

Please disregard any bids from me tomorrow evening for Bart Starr,Joe Montana,Jim Brown, or Barry Sanders.... or Jessica Biel too ;-)

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 19:26

but we should count the ones on Gale Sayers, Billy White Shoes and Jim PLunkett....right? ;)

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 19:34

You're a mind reader Sarge !!!! ( Iggy Woods too)

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 19:52

Wait a minute...I guess it was Icky Woods wasn't it...I always get him and Iggy Pop confused...

GolfFreak
ID: 4239422
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 20:26

Tony Gonzalez injured his knee on one of the last plays of practice Monday and limped off the field, the Kansas City Star reports. MRI tests revealed that Gonzalez injury was a Grade II tear, which in the big picture is bad news since his regular season availability does appear to be in jeopardy.

Maybe not a great steal!

100

GolfFreak
ID: 4239422
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 20:35

OOPS!!! Sorry here the uncut and not edited version! Hope the other one didnt FREAK you out! ;)

Gonzalez injured his knee on one of the last plays of practice Monday and limped off the field, the Kansas City Star reports. The injury didn't appear to be serious, but it's definitely something we'll monitor closely over the next few days. The Chiefs are already without top blocking tight end Jason Dunn, who is out with a back injury.

101

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 21:07

Darnit, and I was looking at Jason Dunn as a sleeper tight end. Now my plan is ruined.

102

GolfFreak
ID: 4239422
Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 08:26

Sorry Sarge! Guess it was a poor taste joke!

103

GolfFreak
ID: 4239422
Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 08:31

Heading north again today, will have to keep going there daily till Tuesday. My cell doesnt always work from in the building. Thanks for keeping the post around 40 Sarge.

GF

104

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 10:05

I show 53 sold players, leaving 127 to go.

105

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 16:45

Clock stops at 18:00 tonight, right? (So anyone on the board in the most recent thread looks like they won't expire until after the weekend.)

106

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 16:57

good gawd I was about to screw it up again. Thanks for the reminder that this is Friday.

Yes...the clock stops at 18:00. so those who show an expiration time of 18:XX will be ammended to 08:XX Monday. 19:XX will become 09:XX and so on.

107

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 22:18

clock restarts at 0800 eastern tomorrow!!

108

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 20:55

damn...RBs have gotten tougher to secure than I remember them being in the past.

109

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 21:28

That's because you don't have crappy WRs this year Sarge. Granted, I haven't set the world on fire with my WRs the last two years either.

110

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 21:58

no...you did it last yr with LT/LJ running roughshod over everyone. (myself included. lol)

111

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 22:27

I just notice that YR had a $5 bid on Heap in post 36 of the thread started Friday. I wouldn't normally point it out until after 8 hours is done but the summary post on the Monday thread doesn't reflect that bid.

112

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 01:03

I fail to see the problem with getting the RBs. Though, if someone wants to make a trade, I'm listening.

113

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 08:25

you dont see it SW, cause you got 2 guys who combined last yr for almost a $150 salary hit, for under $100. May well turn out to be, the steal of the draft.

114

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 10:37

$9 for Tatum Bell? Is that nine AMERICAN dollars? Or are we bidding in yen now?

115

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 12:03

**************************************************

board has been lite 2 players (JackHammers and Kyle), since Monday PM.

If those two are named within the next 60 minutes, I will suspend bidding and the clock until they are named. (by 13:02)

The very dynamic of the bidding process gets changed, when the board is lite.

**************************************************

116

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 13:48

**********************************************

as per post 115:

the clock and bidding is suspended as of 13:02, pending JackHammers naming 1 to the board.

*********************************************

117

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 17:14

as an illustration of why I say the dynamics of the auction change when the board is "lite":

its the "sheep" factor to a degree. (and I do not say that to be critical of anyone). Mob mentality, if you prefer that term to sheep factor. It makes no difference. The shorter the board, the higher the bidding on eligible players it tends to run. (With a few exceptions as there are some managers who will simply wait for specific players, and then bid like madmen on those guys.)

118

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 00:23

did i get

J Norwood...GolfFreak...9:29...22:59...9.00

if so
******* NEW PLAYER ***********
Green Bay Packers Def $1

will leaving @ 4am with very limited access till 5ish pm(c) Will check in @ 9,12,2

if I win another player, dont wait more then 1hr.
just go with the player with the most non-bid open slots then allowed to nominate the next player.

119

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 10:33

FYI to all:

I'm soliciting trade offers for Larry Johnson or Shaun Alexander. Wanted: good, slightly cheaper RB. (Think late 1st/early 2nd round RB in a typical draft).

Work email above--please don't use this for everything but today it's all right.

120

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 11:58

Meaningless(?) trivia:

12 teams with $200 ea = $2400 in total available funds.

12 teams with 15 roster posts = 180 players total.

74 players taken (106 to go)
$1136 spent ($864 remaining)
$15.35/player avg spent
$8.15/player max possible to BE spent yet.

121

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 12:21

Always like the useless info--thanks :)

122

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 20:48

DeWetzel- check your home email.

123

Scarecrow71
ID: 11744120
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 09:46

Sarge,

Check post #30 in 8/22 #2 thread. I don't want to win anyone unfairly...

Scarecrow

124

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 10:28

Thx Scarecrow....

For next year, I want to institute a minor adjustment to the "fining" process. (Its my fault, but I have extenuating circumstances which I think we might want to account for in the future.)

I placed my bid on a player late last night, and then went to bed. I saw another bid on that same player this morning and *ahem* (this is the "my fault" part) assumed my bid was no longer valid, and then bid up another player.

Well, it turns out the subsequent bid on the first player, matched my bid, not exceeded. Thus, those funds of mine were still committed and that left me short for the "up bid" I had placed and thus I fined myself.

NOT FOR THIS YEAR, but for next....IF a manager finds themselves in this position:

Manager "A" bids on Player "1"...
Manager "B" bids on Player "1"...the SAME amount
Manager "A" sees "B's" bid and bids on another player and thus exceeds their budget..

"A" would have the choice of "turning" their bid on Player "1" to Manager "B", thus avoiding the fine.

That is a proposal for a change in the salary management rules. I am actively asking for input/opinion/suggestion.

125

GolfFreak
ID: 4239422
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 10:44

???

Is this if the time of bid is the same? Or do I have morning eye, I thought it was 1st bid takes it.

126

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 10:50

1st bid does take it Golf.

What I am proposing, is an "out" for a manager. IF someone bids after your initial bid on a player AND that bid is for the same amount as your standing bid...then (under this proposal) you as the first bidder would have the option of "releasing" your "first bid" claim and thus freeing your funds for other bids.

IOW..1st bid takes it, 2nd matching bid is irrelevant UNLESS the 1st bidder wants to let the player go.

My only concern, and it rides essentially on "trust", is that I dont want two managers "colluding" to do this. (Where the first bid was an "up bid" on a player the manager didnt really want, so their bud bids the same amount to release them form their first bid.)

Its just a suggestion, and is NOT being put in place as a "rule" unless/until the league as a whole discusses and decides it should be.

127

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 12:22

Question:

Does anything need to be done to confirm/allow my trade with Slowhand (e.g waiting period)? Or do I have $25 for 6 at this point?

128

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 12:27

On another note:

I might suggest a $1 nuisance fine for anyone placing a bid that is not more $ than a previous valid bid (and after a certain time period, say 15 minutes, to avoid cross-posting). This would help alleviate the problem Sarge had, and would take care of a few other issues like that.

129

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 12:44

had I taken the time to update my SS before bidding, I'd have been OK. So I blame noone but myself. I saw the bid and "assumed" and we all know how dangerous that can be.

Still, I would oppose the nuisance bid fine, based on the fact that it is just too easy to overlook a bid, amongst all the posts which take place daily.

130

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 12:55

I agree with sarge. That would cause us to want sarge to post updates more often, and he shouldn't have to do that.

That being said is the board good right now?
I've lost track of everyone's bids except mine.

131

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 12:57

if you're asking..does the board have 12 players on it atm...the answer is yes.

132

Scarecrow71
ID: 11744120
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 19:01

Sarge,

Can you verify w/ me that I have $63 left for 7 players. Your message after I got Taylor for $12 was that I had $53 left.

Thanks!

Scarecrow

133

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 19:06

typo on my part then...sorry.

You have $63 remaining for 7 players.

134

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 20:37

Sorry for the delay, I was sitting here waiting for my time to name a guy and then they started going off.

I'll make my pick within the hour.

135

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 07:35

I have a question and and am sorry if this has been answered and I just didn't read it. When we go to pick up free agents I understand the 1/2 back by week 6 rule but are we charging a flat rate or bidding on FA's. I don't know if this ever got clarified/voted on/or made an executive decision on.

136

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 09:32

******************************************

clock stops at 18:00 eastern today. Restarts Mon 08:00 eastern.

I will be "out of context" from Sat afternoon until some time late Monday afternoon. I'll need you folks to keep things running smoothly through Monday. Thanks.

*******************************************

137

youngroman
ID: 2934823
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 10:46

kyle - as I understand it now:

drops:
a drop prior to the roster freeze of week 6 gives you back 50% of the players value (rounded down). if you paid $5 you get $2 back.

buys:
there is a blind bidding process until mid-week where you can submit your bids for even $1 if you think you have a chance on that player. if a different managers bids $2 it is his. if he bids also only $1 a tie-breaker is needed to decide who gets the player.
after the blind bidding process every player is a free agent and costs $5.

so you can get the player you want cheap during the blind bidding phase or you pay the 5 bucks and get him later in the week (if you wanted to wait on his status or one of your players got injured late). of cource he has to be still available then.

all in all this could result in more activity during the season because we can get a player for as less than $1, but we still have a hard time to manage our limited funds.

open question:
- how is the tie-breaker in case of an equal bid defined? by wins, then by pts?

138

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 10:48

should be, by reverse order of standing. I say "should be", because I have never used the AOL host sitre before nor have I used a blind bidding process before. So, this is all new to me. However, the reverse order of standing in the event of tie bids, would stay consistent with what we have done in the past.

139

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 10:59

Also..I had thought to "lock" FA after the bidding period until the following week.

Would you all prefer it to be "open" with the fixed $5 price?

140

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 11:51

Either way is fine with me. I won't have the $5 anyway. ;)

I think a bidding period followed by the $5 flat fee makes a lot of sense though.

141

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 11:54

Yeah, I like the open for $5 idea as well. Adds a bit more strategy to it and provides an out if you miss on a guy at a needed position, but with a penalty.

142

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 21:04

just got back...will catch things up here shortly.

143

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 22:08

May we get a roster update before 8am tomorrow? As you may have noticed, my records are a bit askew and could use a reset. Thanks.

144

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 22:12

working on that now Beezer. My at work SS hasnt been touched since approx 3:15 Saturday. W/O a Rosters update, I wont get it caught up tomorrow at all. With on, I can catch it up in 15 minutes. :)

145

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 22:14

Sarge, you want my sheet emailed?

146

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 22:16

Thanks guys.

147

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 22:22

No Thx DW, I got it. Went through the weekends and todays bids, updating this SS as I went. Then I copy/paste the last update into a new text box, and update it against my now updated SS. Do the same thing, every day before I leave work and again before I go to work. That way, I get both SSs caught up shortly after I get behind the computer they are on.

Hopefully, the indicated rosters are current and correct. As always, point out any discrepencies noted.

Thanks!

148

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Tue, Aug 28, 2007, 23:54

Suggestion:

If the board remains 4 light at 8:00 tomorrow, we may want to not start the clock until we get that reduced somewhat (especially with some people coming up fairly early).

149

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 09:30

I'll likely have much less access over the next couple of days (from 8am to 8pm)...not much I can do about missed bids but if I win a player it may take some time before I can name another.
Just a heads up and I understand if the board is lite feel free to have someone name one in my place.

150

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 11:19

I'm showing 62 holes yet to fill in the league total. Does that seem to "jive" with everyone?

151

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 11:20

Slowhand,

If you want to send me a short queue of players to nominate for you, I would be happy to do so. The chances of me naming anyone myself the next 2-3 days is pretty small. :)

152

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 12:11

sorry for the delay, was stuck at work all day.

Sarge - I count 62 players and $485 left.

153

DWetzel at library
ID: 33762912
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 13:36

I concur (well, 61 and $484 with the D. Martin signup).

154

GolfFreak
ID: 4239422
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 18:40

Guy Im sorry if Im holding up things. Work has been very rough for me the last 1.5 weeks. And going to try and get a last minute summer vacation in this weekend Im off FRI-TUES. Heading north, and sure will have some ISP issues.

155

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 18:42

not to worry. we're better than 2/3 through, and that means we'ree almost exclusively into bench players. It'll go pretty quickly from here out.

156

Frick
ID: 21041187
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 20:11

Bench players for some of you. For some of us, we're still looking for starters!

I hope we do a recap when we are done. It's always good to hear everyone's thoughts when we are done with the draft.

157

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 20:57

Amen to that.

158

Scarecrow71
ID: 11744120
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 21:14

Sarge, I just sent you an email. Let me know what you think. Thanks!

159

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 22:33

DWetzel thanks for your offer (post 151) I think I've got both your work and home emails and if need be will appoint you my designated bidder/player poster.
I really kicked it (and a couple of my employees) in the ass at work today so it may not be quite as bad as I feared.

160

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 23:18

Slowhand,

FYI, I also got a request from Scarecrow to do some designated bidding for him. Perhaps Kyle would be a better choice if he is willing (since he has nothing better to do!)

161

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 23:22

Other than commishing RIFC AAA#2 ;) But I'll gladly keep bidding. I am around all day tomorrow. Send me an e-mail...

162

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 09:24

I show us still needing 51 players to auction out. We'll see, but it may be necessary to keep the clock running this Saturday, to get us done and give me time to load the website.

163

DWetzel at library
ID: 19773018
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 19:08

If I get the Indy defense (and really, I should get change back I think), please name Matt Jones, WR $1 to the board for me.

164

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 21:50

****************************************************
****************************************************

NOTICE:

The bid clock will RUN through midnight eastern Fri 8/31. It will then be suspended until 8am eastern Sat 9/1. It will RUN until 18:00 eastern on 9/1 before being suspended until 08:00 eastern Monday 9/3.

We NEED to ensure that all rosters are filled, all players are updated to AOL and all managers have had the opportunity to review their rosters, available salary and set starters, prior to game 1 of the regular season.

************************************************

165

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 22:43

GolfFreak check your email...trade offer.

166

GolfFreak
ID: 4239422
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 00:21

Thanks for the offer. Was a good offer but think Ill stick with my guy.

167

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 07:54

Beezer, can you send me an e-mail? I want to discuss an offer with you.

168

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 07:55

Wolfer, can you send me an e-mail? I have a similar offer for you.

169

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 12:00

BREWFAN...please verify your roster and player values against those shown in the ROSTER thread. Indicate for me, what you show that is different from what is posted.

TY

170

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 12:01

sorry gang...out of time...customers are stacking up on me.

I'll be back, when time allows.

171

wiggs
ID: 587393111
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 12:43

i am pretty sure slowhand has my info correct in his post. I think i have 36/5.

172

wiggs
ID: 587393111
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 12:44

actually it might be like 38 for 5

173

Slowhand-at work
ID: 16532417
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 12:47

My rosters that differ are:
wiggs:
C. Palmer $39
R. Brown $34
R. Bush $32
R. Moss $19
J. Walker $16
B. Berrian $6
C. Taylor $5
J. Witten $2
M. Stover $1
M. Leinert $10

wolfer:
P. Manning $45
J Jones $7
M Colston $30
D. Branch $14
V. Davis $8
J. Cotchery $7
J. Shockey $12
J. Brown $3
Min D $3
T. Romo $12
M. Pittman $4
Den D $8

GolfFreak :
E. Manning $15
W. McGahee $37
A. Peterson $14
A. Boldin $22
C. Johnson $14
S Moss $22
D.Williams $8
A. Crumpler $4
N. Keading $3
Jax D $5
C. Portis $30
K. Winslow $6
Atl. D $1
B. Leftwich $5
V. Jackson $9

That's what I've got and it should be current although please check,I'm a slow and crappy typist..

174

wiggs
ID: 587393111
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 12:49

my roster is right, but palmer was 37 we confirmed that in a previous thread.

175

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 12:51

my roster is also right

176

Slowhand-at work
ID: 16532417
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 12:55

Right wiggs sorry about that!

Should be: (where I differ from the post in the auction thread)

wiggs $38 for 5
wolfer $47 for 3
GolfFreak $19 for 0

177

GolfFreak
ID: 4239422
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 12:57

#173 Not my roster! I have W. McGahee on my NEVER to own again list! ;)

Yes it is $29. I took $10 out for FA and was only work with $190. That why my cheetsheet said 19 left. Sorry for the mix up!

178

Slowhand-at work
ID: 16532417
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 13:09

Oh sh*t GF is right. I posted Kyle's roster by mistake....but the post in 176 should b right.

179

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 13:09

I already noted the discrepancy in my roster, the Chicago D should be 9, not 4. ;(

180

Slowhand-at work
ID: 16532417
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 13:21

Just to clarify I also have GF at $29 for 0

181

The Beezer
ID: 47755711
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 13:24

I concur on GolfFreak at $29. I also confirm that my roster is correct as of the last roster update post.

182

GolfFreak
ID: 4239422
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 13:35

$29/1

Bid out on D. Jackson $3

Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 01:25am

183

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 13:44

I have Colston for $20 which should result in wolfer having $57 for 3 players.

Golffreak has $29 for 1 player.

Wiggs has $38 for 5 players.

my team looks ok ($38 for 2)

184

GolfFreak
ID: 4239422
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 13:46

We will be leaving around 3 today. Can I send someone a email with a plan if I dont get Jackson?

186

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 13:55

theres what I REALLY needed I think. Thanks YR.

Does anybody disagree with what YR is showing?

187

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 13:58

Not me.

188

wolfer
ID: 24148211
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 14:00

I'm also good with that. Colston was $20 not $30.

189

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 14:10

OK..I think I ofund the problem I had encountered here this morning. I had apparently closed the SS w/o "saving" after I had updated it. (end of the month customer rush...inevitable in this biz unfortunately.) Either I hit a key wrong, or just plain had a brain fart, and the updates got 'lost'...meaning I most likely neglected to save them before exiting the SS.

Hope to have the bidding thread reopened within a few minutes.

190

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 14:11

That looks right to me. (I'd missed a couple.)

191

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 14:12

Looks good to me.

192

Slowhand-at work
ID: 16532417
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 14:30

After double checking (since I had a couple of mistakes) it looks great to me...this is a lot harder to keep track of than it looks.
Many thanks to YR for an accurate SS and God bless ya sarge....what a pile of work to commish this league. Thanks a million!!!!

193

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 14:35

I want to second Slowhand, commishing a league is a huge PITA, commishing this league takes it to a whole new level.

You've done an outstanding job Sarge. Sadly I don't think we have any joke bids by our friendly member who was kicked out of the initial Auction league? Divesomething?

194

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 14:36

divesomething aka eugene. *insert snarling, growling a$$ kicking icon of choice here*

195

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 14:40

****************************************************

NOTICE:

The bid clock will RUN through midnight eastern Fri 8/31. It will then be suspended until 8am eastern Sat 9/1. It will RUN until 18:00 eastern on 9/1 before being suspended until 08:00 eastern Monday 9/3.

We NEED to ensure that all rosters are filled, all players are updated to AOL and all managers have had the opportunity to review their rosters, available salary and set starters, prior to game 1 of the regular season.

************************************************

196

GolfFreak
ID: 4239422
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 14:40

Sarge from other thread.

14 GolfFreak
ID: 4239422
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 01:25 D. Jackson $3

Yes thanks! Sarge I cant even keep my own team straight, can even think about 11 others. Thanks

197

The Beezer
ID: 47755711
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 14:52

Assuming my Moose bid is good, please post:

Falcons Defense, ATL, $1

198

The Beezer
ID: 47755711
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 14:54

Copied the wrong name:

Raiders Defense, OAK, $1

199

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 15:18

a HUGE thanks to Youngroman for knowing what I needed even if I didnt.

200

GolfFreak
ID: 4239422
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 15:19

///Sarge\\\

could you post a addy. I need to leave a plan of attack for my last player. I dont think my cell will have ISP access up north most of the time.

201

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 15:21

sarge33rd@hotmail.com

202

GolfFreak
ID: 4239422
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 16:50

Email sent. Thanks!!!

Everyone have a great weekend! Should be home some time Monday afternoon.

203

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 23:01

Just as an FYI, I'm leaving Saturday morning and won't be back until Monday sometime.

204

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 15:50

Re: post 19 in the 9/1 auction thread...

DWetzel is correct;Dallas Clark is already in YR's stable.

205

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 18:52

indeed that is correct.

I show 23 roster slots yet to be filled.

206

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 20:40

Totally missed that. I'll post another guy here in a second.

207

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Sep 02, 2007, 19:43

I may not be around tomorrow. If it isnt raining, I'll be going to a motorcycle gathering/bbq during the afternoon (morning to get there) and then I have a live draft for another league tomorrow night.

Keep things rolling as smoothly as possible. Since the board is "full", the clock will start as of 08:00 Monday morning eastern time.

Happy Holiday to all!

208

The Beezer
ID: 47755711
Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 14:01

Assuming I have one more to nominate:

Selvin Young, RB, DEN, $1

209

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 17:20

Just for my own clarification regarding Lamont Jordan
Post 35 wait, didnt i have jordan for 8 post 20
I was under the impression that the bid in post 20 occurred while the clock was stopped and bidding suspended pending posting of more players and therefore was void.Is that correct?

Post 36 i know the time passed, but i didnt even check in until now because I knew my bid couldnt be beat before now
Couldn't I have bid $9 if neccessary and still had $1 left over for my last player?

210

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 17:28

I stated that I was suspending the clock. I had intended to, however did not specifically state as much, to suspend bidding as well. Since I didnt say it, I cannot hold to it. The 15 minute conterstment period however,, has been in place since day 1 of this league and that time had passed. Also, as I said, I had posted an updated list of current bids Sat eve, and it went uncontested as well. Therefore, the "rule" awarding the player, has to be upheld. To do otherwise, even thoug it was in point of fact MY error, is to nullify the rule. If I nullify this rule this time, which rule next time? How do I claim to enforce rules, when I would have failed to do so on such a critical aspect as the auction?

It was my error. I am not denying that. For that error, I apologize profusely. But I cannot and more importantly will not, jeopardize consistancy in applying the league rules.

211

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 18:43

c'mon people...we only have 12 slots left to fill.

212

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 19:20

that 15 minute rule needs some adjusting next season I think. IF you are leading a bid, why would you check in all day to confirm your bid is still there? If a bid was missed it should be able to be corrected.

I`agree. If you post a legal bid. I would like to maybe open it up for a vote next year.

213

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 20:31

Sorry! Must have rained on your ride. ;)

This rookie auction drafter will shut up and hold on!

214

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 20:41

no...it didnt rain on the ride. The rule is the rule, and its been enforced before. Just strikes some folks differently, when its "them" who gets adversely affected by it apparently.

215

wiggs
ID: 2542623
Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 20:45

I understand that a rule is a rule and I dont expect anythign to be changed this year, but for the future i think we need to work something else out. my bid was a legal bid and because last i checked i was leading I didnt think i needed to check it out again until atleast 3 PM I missed it.

216

wolfer
ID: 247581719
Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 22:43

I posted a question on the other thread and if I still need to I will nominate someone.

217

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 12:24

That's something we may have to look into sarge for next year, thanks to my inadvertent circumventing of the rules.

wasnt meaning to osund like I was chewing a$$ wolfer. Fact is, I should have disallowed your White bid since you owed the board. *shrug* Too late now though and no true "harm". Just alters the final outcome somewhat.

Jackhammers (in this case) had won 2 and owed the board 2. SOmeone else won one and had a full roster. JH had the most room at that time, so he was called on for 3. Frick got called on for 3 pretty much in the same way. Another roster got filled, and between managers with outstanding bids and thus no ability/room, it fell to those of us with one slot left. You had the most money of those with one slot, so it fell to you.

Simple truth is, the end of the auction gets somewhat chaotic and absolutely requires participation by the managers. The only way aorund it, is to use a live auction draft, whiwch would preclude most of the issues encountered. Problem there, is timing and time zones.

218

wolfer
ID: 24148211
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 12:28

All I was saying that there should be no time limit (within reason of course) for a person the add one if he only has one spot left.

219

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 12:48

I think we should add a rule next year that states if you someone to the board you can't place any bids. That should help prevent some of the situations we've had this year.

I have mixed feelings on the possability of having penalties for not nominating someone in a decent amount of time. If you post a message saying you are going to be away for X, then the commish and other managers know what to expect. If you just disappear for a day, the draft gets delayed.

Part of my concern goes to my naming players last night/this morning. I was well aware that they players that I had to name had a high chance of ending up on my team. To avoid the situation we had last year where a manager got "stuck" with the player he named I deferred until this morning.

I left early Saturday morning with 1 outstanding bid, I came back and was up for nominating 3 players which would fill out my roster. I'm aware that I delayed the draft and I apologize, but if I had been fined for that transgression I would be extremely upset. I think it is an issue we will have to deal with annually, since we aren't live and on a message board.

Sarge, can you post an updated roster summary? I apparently am missing some named players, I updated my spreadsheet against the last roster post, but didn't go back through the old threads. I apologize.

220

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 13:39

I would if I had time atm Frick. But I dont, so cant right now.

221

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 13:48

AOL rosters have been updated. You can login to the site, click "ROSTERS" and you should see everyones team-to-date.

222

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 15:00

sarge - my roster looks good, my available money should be $18 instead of $28.

my starting lineup is set. I'm ready. Thanks for all.

223

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 15:24

YR...from the rosters thread:

YoungRomans: $38 for 2 players
Drew Brees QB $29
C Pennington QB $3
W Parker RB $35
Travis Henry RB $31
Rudi Johnson RB $42
W Dunn RB $6
M Booker WR $1
T Glenn WR $1
R McMichael TE $5
D Clark TE $3
R Gould K $1
PITTS D $4
NYJ D $1

then you got J Galloway for $9 and D Jackson for $1. Right? That adds upto $172, from 200 would leave 28. Or do I have one or more of your players priced incorrectly?

224

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 15:30

folks,we need this done...now. Games start day after tomorrow and everyone needs to verify their rosters are correctly loaded into AOL and that remnaining monies are right.

JACKHAMMERS where are you???????

225

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 16:32

I say we give him Michael Vick, Todd Marinovich, and Art Schlicter as his last three players. :)

226

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 16:45

sarge - it was Darrell Jackson for $11.

227

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 16:50

thx YR.

228

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 18:56

OK gang...tomorrow is Wednesday and there is a game on Thursday. If ANYONE has the ability to reach JH, please do so. I've emailed and posted repeatedly. We are FAST, running out of time.

229

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 19:35

ALL rosters are full except JackHammers, who has 3 open slots. All salaries are updated in the AOL host site, except JackHammers, who has yet to name his last 3 players.

PLEASE verify that your team is loaded properly and that your remaining monies are correctly reflected.

230

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 21:18

This has been some of your finest commish work, sarge (and that's saying something in this league). I think we need to explore ways to reduce how manual administering the auction is for next season.

231

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 23:53

Back from the beach, weather was so good I had to stay. Sorry about the delay guys. No access. should have called Wiggs. I'll finish this up shortly

232

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 09:58

Thx Beezer...I wont always be "right" in what I do, but I damn sure try and be consistent and predictable in those decisions.

WB JH! Now...name 3. lol

233

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 10:19

Wait a minute, I'm not sure on something. How many players is Jack Hammers supposed to name? ;)

I'll try and check my roster shortly. Thanks again for all of the work and effort you put into this draft Sarge. It is the most entertaining and enjoyable of the year.

234

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 10:22

everyone has a full roster except JH. I show him, with 3 open slots...so he has to name 3 players to his squad.

235

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 10:34

Do we want to have our Auction Recap here, or start an exciting new thread for it?

Either way, I nominate someone (nudges YR) to post that spiffy spreadsheet with the final rosters, similar to what's in post 185.

Once Jackhammers names the final 3 people to his roster, of course. :)

236

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 10:35

And actually, I'd happily put my own spreadsheet version up, if someone will but instruct me on how to do so. And use small words, please.

237

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 14:06

�	Kyle		Frick		Wolfer		JackHammers		Wiggs		Slowhand		�
�	player	$	player	$	player	$	player	$	player	$	player	$	�
QB	E Manning (9)	15	R Grossman (9)	5	P Manning (6)	45	D McNabb (5)	24	C Palmer (5)	37	J Kitna (6)	9	QB
RB	W McGahee (8)	37	J Addai (6)	47	D Foster (7)	10	L Maroney (10)	45	R Brown (9)	34	L Tomlinson (7)	68	RB
RB	C Portis (4)	30	B Westbrook (5)	45	J Jones (8)	7	J Lewis (7)	23	R Bush (4)	32	S Alexander (8)	46	RB
R/W	A Peterson (MIN, 9, RB)	14	M Jones-Drew (4, RB)	37	M Pittman (10, RB)	4	C Williams (10, RB)	21	C Taylor (5, RB)	5	V Morency (7, RB)	10	R/W
WR	A Boldin (8)	22	L Coles (10)	10	D Branch (8)	14	H Ward (6)	15	R Moss (10)	19	TJ Houshmandzadeh (5)	23	WR
WR	Ca Johnson (6)	14	D J Hackett (8)	3	M Colston (4)	20	A Randle El (4)	2	J Walker (6)	16	Re Brown (5)	10	WR
W/T	S Moss (4, WR)	11	J Horn (8, WR)	1	V Davis (TE, 6)	8	D Mason (8, WR)	1	B Berrian (9, WR)	6	S Holmes (6, WR)	9	W/T
TE	K Winslow (7)	6	C Cooley (4)	5	J Shockey (9)	12	A Gates (7)	22	J Witten (8)	2	B Watson (10)	3	TE
K	N Kaeding (7)	3	S Gostkowski (10)	2	J Brown (8)	3	O Mare (4)	1	M Stover (8)	1	R Longwell (5)	1	K
D	Jacksonville (4)	5	Chicago (9)	9	Denver (6)	8	Baltimore (8)	15	Dallas (8)	1	Green Bay (7)	2	D
qb	B Leftwich (4)	5	T Jackson (5)	1	T Romo (8)	12	S McNair (8)	1	M Leinart (8)	10	M Schaub (10)	1	qb
rb	DeA Williams (7)	8	M Barber (8)	21	K Faulk (10)	2	�	�	K Jones (6)	1	M Turner (7)	5	rb
wr	V Jackson (7)	9	W Welker (10)	1	J Cotchery (10)	7	R Curry (5)	2	D Jarrett (7)	1	A Gonzalez (6)	3	wr
BN	A Crumpler (8, TE)	4	Carolina (7, D)	3	Minnesota (5, D)	3	�	�	N Burleson (8, WR)	1	L Jordan (5, RB)	7	BN
BN	Atlanta (8, D)	1	H Miller (6, TE)	1	L White (4, RB)	10	�	�	D Garrard (4, QB)	1	D Rhodes (5, RB)	1	BN
Sum	15	184	15	191	15	165	12	172	15	167	15	198	Sum
Left	0	16	0	9	0	30	3	28	0	33	0	2	Left
�	youngroman		Sarge		dwetzel		scarecrow		Beezer		Golffreak		�
�	player	$	player	$	player	$	player	$	player	$	player	$	�
QB	D Brees (4)	29	M Bulger (9)	29	J P Losman (6)	8	T Brady (10)	29	M Hasselbeck (8)	12	P Rivers (7)	10	QB
RB	R Johnson (5)	42	B Jacobs (9)	23	L Johnson (8)	48	C Benson (9)	35	F Gore (6)	56	S Jackson (9)	61	RB
RB	W Parker (6)	35	L Betts (4)	16	E James (8)	30	T Jones (10)	26	A Green (10)	17	M Lynch (6)	22	RB
R/W	T Henry (6, RB)	31	M Clayton (8, WR)	11	D McAllister (4, RB)	17	F Taylor (4, RB)	12	M Muhammad (9, WR)	3	B Jackson (7, RB)	10	R/W
WR	D Jackson (6)	11	R Williams (6)	27	R Wayne (6)	30	Ch Johnson (5)	33	M Harrison (6)	29	T Owens (8)	29	WR
WR	J Galloway (10)	9	T Holt (9)	26	S Smith (7)	30	L Fitzgerald (8)	25	D Driver (7)	23	P Burress (9)	11	WR
W/T	T Glenn (8, WR)	1	A Johnson (10, WR)	14	L Evans (6, WR)	20	D Martin (9, TE)	1	D Stallworth (10, WR)	10	B Edwards (7, WR)	7	W/T
TE	R McMichael (9)	5	T Gonzalez (8)	7	O Daniels (10)	1	T Heap (8)	6	M Lewis (4)	1	L J Smith (5)	2	TE
K	R Gould (9)	1	S Graham (5)	2	N Rackers (8)	1	A Vinatieri (6)	3	D Akers (5)	1	J Elam (6)	1	K
D	Pittsburgh (6)	4	New England (10)	8	San Diego (7)	7	Miami (9)	3	Washington (4)	1	Philadelphia (5)	3	D
qb	C Pennington (10)	3	B Roehtlisberger (6)	9	J Cutler (6)	2	A Smith (6)	1	B Favre (7)	7	J Delhomme (7)	3	qb
rb	W Dunn (8)	6	T Bell (6)	9	A Peterson (CHI, 9)	1	L Washington (10)	1	S Young (6)	1	J Norwood (8)	9	rb
wr	M Booker (9)	1	I Bruce (9)	2	M Jones (4)	1	D Henderson (4)	3	B Scaife (4, TE)	1	Ja Jones (7)	1	wr
BN	Da Clark (6, TE)	3	Z Miller (5, TE)	1	Indianapolis (6, D)	1	J Wilkins (9, K)	2	Oakland (5, D)	1	J Campbell (4, QB)	2	BN
BN	New York Jets (10, D)	1	Arizona (8, D)	1	T Green (9, QB)	1	C Chambers (9, WR)	1	V Young (4, QB)	8	Seattle (8, D)	1	BN
Sum	15	182	15	185	15	198	15	181	15	171	15	172	Sum
Left	0	18	0	10	0	2	0	19	0	29	0	28	Left

238

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 16:24

add:

R Droughens, N Davenport and T Scheffler to Jackhammers at $1 ea.

rosters are now full and the auction is closed.

239

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 16:26

*************************************

ALL managers NEED to erify their rosters and remaining money as entered into the AOL site are correct.

Let me know if you find ANY discrepencies.

***************************************

240

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 16:27

Mine is right and I'd like to drop a player and add one when that is possible.

241

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 16:29

after wk 1...no F/A post draft and pre game 1. Never has been.

242

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 16:55

Kyle:

Get ready to bid at least $3 on Garrard, hehehe.

243

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 16:58

So, do we want to have our draft recap here, or make a cool thread like those RIBC elitists? :)

244

wiggs
ID: 2542623
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 17:11

i have garrard already :)

245

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 17:15

THE steal of the draft IMHO.

246

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 17:25

*looks at Wiggs three starting QBs*

*looks at my three starting QBs*

*looks at wiggs RBs and WRs*

*looks at mine*

You know, I could be nuts but I am guessing there's a deal to be had there somewhere.

247

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 18:22

Hey wiggs, how Leftwich and a nice tasty sandwich sound for Garrard?

248

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 09:18

since nobody has mentioned any errors, I am assuming the loaded data in the AOL site is correct for all?

249

wiggs
ID: 587393111
Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 09:19

what kind of sandwich?

250

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 09:46

I didn't see any glaring errors when I set my roster last night.

251

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 10:17

what kind of sandwich?

<--I'm wagering, it'd be FULL of bologna. ;)

252

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 11:45

just in case I forget it: can I claim injury priority for the upcoming week because Terry Glenn is at least out for a few weeks, if not all season?

If yes, how much money do I need to spend on that player? $1? $5? do I compete with all other managers claiming injury priority?
I simply want to know. If the new player costs $5 I may not opt for injury priority and will try to get my targeted player for less during the blind bidding phase.

253

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 17:56

I had put that question out for discussion earlier, and got little if any feedback re the price of "Injury Priority" claims. (See post 77 above.)

Since I got no feedback, I have been laboring under the assumption we wouldnt change it at all. IOW, IF you claim Injury Priority:

1) You get 1st dip into the F/A pool w/o concern re bidding.
2) You MUST start the F/A taken in lieu of oyur injured player.
3) That new player obviusly has to be eligible for the injured players position. (WR->WR, TE->TE etc)
4) Inj Prior claims would entail a $5 salary hit. (I had suggested a $3 "compromise", but got no input in return, so I cant see making any change to it.)

254

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 23:31

Alright! If Eli is hurt for any length of time I will basically be done! Right after I was going to post that Eli was making up that silly $15 bid...ugh.

255

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 10:59

One might argue that pinning one's hopes on Eli Manning in the first place indicated doneness.

Still, week 1 injuries are in fact teh suck.

256

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 11:28

Your week 1 match summaries going into Monday night:

Kyle 98.38 - Sarge 95.68

With McGahee and Boldin left for Kyle, against Mark Clayton and Shayne Graham for Sarge, this one looks to be solidly in Kyle's column. Strong performances from Eli Manning (don't worry Kyle, that injury just saved him from a silly late-game pick) offset a nice performance from Sarge's #1 pick Andre Johnson (I take back some of the bad things I thought about him).

Slowhand 130.04 - wiggs 82.90

Ladies and gentlemen, your week 1 league favorite. Carson Palmer has a chance to make things semi-respectable for wiggs (unless he throws to Houshkiewiczberger) but four 20+ point performance for Slowhand made this one look easy.

Jackhammers 79.46 - Scarecrow 65.28

Benson and Thomas Jones crapped the bed for Scarecrow, but Lewis and Maroney weren't much better for Jackhammers. Tonight should be interesting, as every Chad Johnson TD inflicts double pain on the Jackhammers and the Baltimore D. This one could come down to Larry Fitzgerald in the late game.

Youngroman 79.38 - Beezer 77.28

A two point lead plus an extra player normally makes one pretty comfortable... but not when Frank Gore is the player on the other team. I doubt he'll offset whatever Rudi Johnson puts up against Baltimore, plus whatever Darrell Jackson hauls in for SF, but you never know. A big game from Pittsburgh's defense helped YR take the lead.

Frick 92.20 - DWetzel 91.78

The closest game after Sunday night's contests... but Frick is done and I have Edgerrin James and Neil Rackers left. Assuming those two don't have a car accident on the way to the stadium, I should be all right. The Chargers defense outpointing the Bears defense 28-19 in the head to head matchup was big and probably offsets a stellar QB choice from me (Jay Cutler, naaah. Trent Green? Why would I do that? JP Losman, baby! Ohhh yeah!) Notable: both Frick and me managed to put up 60+ points on the bench.

Golffreak 124.50 - wolfer 107.12

Final score. When last I checked last night, Wolfer was comfortably ahead in this one... but that was before Plaxico Burress threw three TD passes to Terrell Owens (or was it the other way around?). Plaxico gets the leaguewide MVP award for this week.

257

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 13:14

The last time I checked our benches had scored exactly the same number of points. Something like 61.2?

258

wolfer
ID: 24148211
Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 13:19

Well, at least (as on now) I have the third highest point total of the weekend.

259

Scarecrow71
ID: 11744120
Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 13:19

GO Fitzgerald!!!!!!

260

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 18:48

Get this. Each of my $2 recievers (INDIVIDUALLY, not combined) outscored the total score of all 3 of my starting runningbacks!

Randle El 19.2
Ronald Curry 22.3

Maroney,Lewis. Cad Williams total score = 15.20

Of course I didn't start Curry. Have similar stories throughout my portfolio this week. I think I won a bame somewhere. Wasn't a Guru league. Think I was playing somebody's Mom who just put a team in to fill the league...

GO SAN FRAN SECONDARY!

261

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 18:51

BTW, DWETz, I like the capsules

262

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 21:20

I must have switched back and forth
Delhomme >>> Philip Rivers >>>Delhomme >>>> Rivers>>> Delhomme>>>>Rivers>>> Delhomme 20 times. And then went with Rivers.

And was kicking my self all night! Because I was getting my butt kicked.....TILL Plaxico Burress threw three TD passes to Terrell Owens ;)

263

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 22:43

I like the capsules too. Don't count on them every week though: someone took the day off from work. (What we like to call a "planned mental health day".)

264

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 11:52

A question on eligibility for the IR spot on my roster. Hypothetical Question: Would the speculation that a player is out for say 4 weeks due to a separated shoulder qualify? If so would I have first dibs at the pool of players (at this position) and have this player (of the same position) cost $5? Or can/is the cost be what I name?
Remember this is all hypothetical ;)

265

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 13:57

see posts 252 and 253 above. And the resposne is NOT hypothetical.

Injury Priority = $5 salary hit.

266

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 14:16

COMMISH NOTE:

I also added 1 slot to the bench. This slot is for your Injured player designation. This morning when I tried to lace B Jacobs on IR, the site wouldnt let me, giving me instead the error message "Healthy Players cannot be placed on injured status." With the GTS RB ouot for 4-5 weeks with a sprained MCL, I dont see hbim as fitting the definition of "healthy". Jacobs is officially listed as "qquestionable". The minimal designation I set for allowing the injured status.

267

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 15:24

Ok if that is the case, then I would like to IR Eli and pick up (and start next week) Damon Huard. Do I need to fill out a waiver wire for this transaction or am I allowed to pick up Huard as is and get charged the $5?

268

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 15:35

done. I reduced your avail funds by $5 and you now have $11 remaining. Eli shows on IR and Huard is set as your starter for week 2.

269

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 15:40

Thank you Sarge! While Chicago might not be the best place for Huard to start at this week, it's a starting QB who will give a chance for positive points. And Mike Brown is out so that has to help right?

270

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 16:49

Sarge, I am having difficulty setting my lineup right now. When I try to set it AOL tells me healthy players aren't allowed on the IR (Eli).
If you could go in and set it that would be great, since you could bypass the AOL settings. I would like:
QB: Huard (I have to start him if Eli is indeed hurt)
RBs: McGahee, Portis, Peterson
WR: Boldin, Moss, Ca. Johnson
TE: Winslow
K: Kaeding
Def: Jacksonville

271

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 21:10

check the league message board...

you have to start Huard regardless. You claimed "Injury Priority" to jump to the front on F/A and by definition that means starting the acquired player.

As for player status, the NFL apparently chagned to Fri, the deadline for declaring players as "OK", "Probable", "Questionable",etc etc.

272

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 21:18

That's fine by me. I doubt Eli will start. Thanks for updating it for me. I just read in the newspaper here the "injury report". Everyone who didn't practice for the Giants was listed as "out". That's helpful.

273

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 17:41

I think this is the point of the season where I express my undying love for, and desire to give birth to the children of, Steve Smith.

274

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 18:01

An outstanding week for some players so far: Carson Palmer (40), Steve Smith (36), Chad Johnson (35), Derek Anderson (35, unowned), Jamal Lewis (30), Braylon Edwards (29).

none of these are on my team. I only have Joey Galloway (28), Rudi Johnson and Willie Parker (both 22) and a total of 130+ points and still don't look like a lock for a win with my opponent having Jamal Lewis + McNabb/Maroney/Randle El/Gates still to go with just 70 pts behind. a great matchup in the RAL West!

275

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 00:00

I'm just sayin...when Lamont Jordan outpoints LT and Alexander COMBINED!!! Well nice win Sarge...

276

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 09:51

of my 3 FF leagues, I was facing C Palmer in TWO games! :(

1: C Palmer and J Lewis (Lewis 216 RuYds and a 66 yd RuTD)
2: C Palmer and R Moss (Moss 105 Reyds and 2 ReTD)

oh goody for me ......

in fairness though..R Williams and A Johnson came through BIG for me in our auction league this past weekend. 231 ReYds 3ReTDs and 1 FL between the two of them.

277

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Fri, Sep 21, 2007, 07:47

I have QBs. Hasselbeck, Favre, and VY. Some of you could definitely use one of these guys. I'm looking for an upgrade at RB2, flex, and WR. Let me know - I'll probably start sending out feelers soon just so you're forewarned.

278

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Sep 21, 2007, 11:24

Sarge, I have too many players on my roster. Could you drop Huard for me. Thanks!

279

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Sep 21, 2007, 11:35

done...and salary adj upward $2, to reflect the recouping of 1/2 Huards salary roounded down.

280

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Sat, Sep 22, 2007, 21:17

Sarge

With L.J. Smith OUT! What are my options?

281

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Sep 23, 2007, 10:09

looking over your roster...I dont see many options. You're not carrying a 2nd TE and you didnt try and get one via FA bidding for the week.

Looks to me, like you start LJ and take the 0 for him vs having an illegal roster and taking a 0 for the week.

Other option, would have been to have picked up a 2nd TE on Fri, when the inj reports came out.

282

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Sun, Sep 23, 2007, 11:24

Thanks Sarge

I didnt see him out on Fri. :O
But knew he has been banged up. Should have, could have. So I didnt figure I had a move for this week. But was wondering for next week.

So can I just place a $1 bid on a TE next week and put him on IR spot?

Or bid $1 on TE and drop him.

OR trade you for the steal of the draft?

Or what are the other options?

Thanks

283

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Sep 23, 2007, 12:08

You can:

1) claim Inj Prior next week (assuming LJ is still listed as "Q" or worse), get 1st dip into the pool and pay $5 for whichever TE is available... (remember, if you claim Inj Priority...you MUST take a player of the same position as the injured player and you MUST start that player.)

2) You can submit a blind bid on a TE and hope you get him...

3) you can offer up a trade to someone.

4) Assuming LJ is still "Q" or worse, you can put him in your IR slot and not have to drop anyone. If he isnt listed "Q" or worse, you would have to drop someone to make roster space available.

Aside from the auction method of acquiring players, one of the things about this league I really like, is that because we dont go to an open FA period like most do, you absolutely HAVE to manage your team. Hitting the waiver wire, isnt "1st come-1st serve" and in the meantime, shaft some more schmuck who has to work and doesnt have i-net access during the day.

284

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Sun, Sep 23, 2007, 12:33

Sarge on the blind bid.

If you bid and dont get the player then can you bid on another player or can you bid 2 player of same postion but only win 1

285

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 00:22

When you submit your bids, you can order them in your priority sequence. The site will automatically try and execute your 1st choice first. If you lose that one, then it will look at your second choice, third and so on.

286

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 11:54

sarge, I was trying to use the trade block function in AOL but it said it had been disabled by the commish. Can that be turned on, or was I just having an off day?

287

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 16:49

Sorry...apparently missed a part of the setup process.

You SHOULD be able to propose/accept trade offers now. Those offers will NOT be processed, until I finalize them. Trades may be "challenged" by other league managers. With 12 teams, and presumably 2 in any trade, that leaves 10 to "challenge". 5 such challenges, and the trade will not be allowed to go through.

288

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Tue, Sep 25, 2007, 10:11

Question:

As Deuce McAllister is likely out for the year, can I claim injury priority for him? I only have $2 in available funds but I would get $8 back from cutting him, which would cover the $5 fee.

Of course, this doesn't work if I have to put Deuce on IR...

289

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Sep 25, 2007, 11:00

Well if he is for certain out for the year I think it would be smart to cut him and get 1/2 your money back on him. If he's not (this is my interpretation of the rules) you could IR him and then skip your injury priority (which cost the automatic $5) and then blind bid on a player with your remaining $2.
That's what I think you can do, correct me if I am wrong with this assumption Sarge.

290

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Sep 25, 2007, 12:25

whether he is officially out for the yr or not, has no impact on the managers ability to drop him prior to week 6 and recoup 1/2 his salary. His official status for next week, impacts on whther or not IP can be claimed.

According to this link:

Deuce leaves with knee injury

we should know more later today. If you want to claim IP, let me know and if he "qualifies" (which I do not doubt he will), I'll drop him and adjust your monies accordingly.

291

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Sep 25, 2007, 13:10

Deuce McAllister, RB NO
News: According to a report on ESPN, Saints RB Deuce McAllister has a torn ACL in his left knee and will likely miss the remainder of the season. An MRI is scheduled for Tuesday to confirm that diagnosis. Officially, the Saints say only that McAllister has a left knee injury and will have an MRI. McAllister limped off the field in the second quarter of Week 3 against the Titans, aggravating the knee injury which has been ailing him during the early part of the season. He complained of a sore left knee to trainers on the sidelines.

That from cbssportsline. If you want to drop him and claim IP, just let me know. It'll be done.

292

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Sep 25, 2007, 15:02

nfl.com has Deuce out for the year

Gonna "assume" you want to drop him. Will go in, drop him and adjust your remaining monies. If I'm "jumping the gun", say something and I'll reverse the changes.

293

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Tue, Sep 25, 2007, 20:01

Steven Jackson, RB, STL
Partially Torn Groin

Huddle Up: Rams' RB Steven Jackson has already been ruled out for Week 4 and could miss up to month after partially tearing his left groin muscle during Sunday's loss against the Bucs. According to reports Jackson was hurt while making a cut in the second half and tried to play through the discomfort but he was pulled from the game in the fourth quarter. Head coach Scott Linehan told reporters that the injury was "noticeable" but it didn't appear to be serious since Jackson was still able to play. Unfortunately an MRI on his leg revealed a partial tear in his groin muscle and the team's medical staff has said that he will be out for at least week. Rookie Brian Leonard will get the start in his place

So can IR him and get Brian Leonard?

294

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 10:20

If you want to, you have 2 basic choices (assuming you want to hang onto Jackson):

1) I/R him and claim IP to acquire another RB> IF you do that, you pay $5 for that other RB AND you MUST start that RB this week.

2) I/R Jackson, and bid on a RB whom you might or might not win. If you do this, you do NOT have to start that other RB.

295

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 10:27

#1 please with Leonard for $5. Thanks

296

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 10:32

Holding to see what DW is gonna do. IF he claims IP, he has precedence before you bby virtue of the record(s). {1-2 vs 3-0)

297

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 10:52

Sarge

The Automated Claim System will process no more than one claim on this request list. The Automated Claim System will try to process each of your claims in order, beginning with number one. As soon as it successfully processes a claim for you on this claim list, it will be finished with this list, and will look for any other lists that you may have created.

So if I put 3 TE on my claims list. It only allows me to get one. But what if I want to bid on another postion as well. How do I create another list?

298

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 10:56

Just create one list. Then sequence them in your desired order of priority. The site will automatically execute, one waiver transaction for each manager who submits a request, each and every week. It will execute them, in reverse oreder of standing, and from top down on your list.

299

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 11:49

I actually want to let Deuce just be cut (since I don't want to pick someone up for the IP that way--I will be getting someone via normal channels).

However, I DO want to IP for JP Losman, who I will also cut (see note below, pasted from AOL's site) and pick up Brian Griese.

Bills: Two weeks for Losman
(Via the AOL game site)

09/25/07 10:30 AM
THE NEWS
Head coach Dick Jauron re-iterated on Monday that J.P. Losman will be sidelined for at least two weeks after spraining his MCL in Week 3. "We have to wait to see how it responds, and they respond differently, so well wait to see on that." Jauron told the Rochester Democrat & Chronicle. "I'm not optimistic. We think it will be two weeks."

300

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 11:58

rer 297..you dont. You create one list, and get one dip into the F/A pool per week. Thats it. One shot each week. Bid on as many players as you care to.

Why I dont open up the F/A and just let it be a free-for-all? I have never liked the fact, that this gives an immediate advantage, to someone who is either unemployed or has unrestricted computer access at work. The poor schmuck in the wrong time zone, or working feverishly at his desk/job site, gets royally screwed. So I dont like open waiver wires...at all.

DW----I'll execute your IP shortly, and then Golf, you have a choice to make. IF you excercise an IP claim, that is your pickup for the week and your list gets negated. Let me know what you want to do.

301

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 11:59

What GF is asking (and I'm in the same situation actually) is:

He wants to pick up a TE from a list. He ALSO wants to get a second player (say, dropping a RB for another RB), and have both transactions process.

I don't see where to create a second independent list either.

302

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 12:00

Note: DW...you cannot cut both Deuce and JP. You can only replace one, and that owuld leave your roster one man shy. You can bench JP this week and then cut him next week if you want to. But you cannot cut both players this week.

303

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 12:01

Ah. I see. One pickup per week.

Didn't get that. Whateva.

304

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 12:05

Then bench or JP Losman, I'll deal with him soon enough.

305

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 12:33

Er, wait, then I can't IP for him.

Reinstate Deuce (donk me back down $8), cut Losman (that gives me $4 in cap relief), and IP Losman for Griese.

That's my final answer.

306

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 12:39

already cut Deuce and IRd Losman. Yes, you can IP for Losman.

In order to IP, the player being replaced must be listed as "Q" or worse, and must either sit in your IR slot or be dropped.

Since JP qualifies for the IR slot and we dropped Deuce from your roster yesterday...you're free and clear on IP'ing into either a QB or a RB. You chose a QB, Griese, and so yoiu got him. Since you got him via IP, you MUST start Griese this weekend.

307

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 12:39

One pick per week?! You are a mad man! ;) WOW! You being a DL leader, I would think you would allow more moves. ;) Boy did i mess up on my draft. Plans of one kicker, one DEF and so on is going to bite me in the a$$! Was planning on just dropping them on bye weeks and pick up someone new. But with only one pick per week that will be very tough. Lesson learned for next year. But would like to vote for next year. If a player is hurt you should be able to make a IR move and a normal FA move as well.

308

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 12:41

prior to the season beginning, someone else (YR I think???) had asked about an open FA period and I put it out for discussion. There was none, and so.....

309

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 12:47

IIRC, I had suggested perhaps a $3 set price for FA after the bid period...

few if any responded with a yea/nay, question or comment. *shrug* Sorta took it by default then, to mean no real interest in it one way or the other.

310

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 12:47

311

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 12:50

Who needs a dam TE anyhow?! Please IR the $61 man and pick up Leonard for $5. Then slap me with a $5 fine for talking trash about the commish that runs this league like a dictatorship.

J/K
;P
makes it a more completive.

312

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 12:55

Competitive

313

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 13:01

<---dictators dont fine their subjects. we subjugate their families. ;)

314

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 13:05

Jackson IR'd
Leonard added as START
monies adjusted by $5

315

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 12:44

Sarge, I'll go ahead and claim an injury priority for Cadillac. He's done....again

316

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 10:23

Sarge...did you get my email re; dropping a player?

317

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 11:07

re Brown? Yep...will do today. I dropped in another league myself. Between his lack of production, and the trouble the Philly O-line is having, McNabb has no time to find anyone.

318

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 11:18

done....

JH...who did oyu want to pickup on Injury Priority? (Remember, its a $5 salary to take a F/A via IP AND that player must be a RB in this case AND must start on your roster this weekend.) Else, you can bid on any player and hope to get who you wanted.

319

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 11:38

FYI...I dropped Bulger. I needed the $14 in cap relief, more than I needed a GROSSLY underperforming "star" with a $29 salary hit.

320

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 12:41

Sarge,

I will be dropping Losman this week--I'll need a $4 cap adjustment,

321

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 12:57

done:

COMMISSIONERS NOTE:

If you have asked that a player be dropped and your salary be adjusted accordingly...make SURE in your waiver claims that you are NOT indicating to drop the player I have already removed from your roster! If your claim includes a drop for a player not on your roster, I do not know if the site will process the claim, since it cannot drop the indicated player.

I went back in and redid my claims to show "No Drop", after I removed Bulger from my roster and adjusted my remaining salary.

I do not accept responsibility, for waiver claims not processed, because of an indication to drop a player no longer on your roster.

The above was also posted on the league message board, as well as emailed to all managers.

322

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 14:12

Hint taken.

323

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 12:53

JH---you said you wanted to claim "injury priority". Who did you want to take in place of Cadillac? I need to know, so I can put them on your roster before the blind bidding is executed, and maybe you dont get the guy 'cause someone else outbid your $5 price tag.

324

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 13:32

Sarge. I'll take Earnest Graham, TB and drop Cadillac

325

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 13:50

done....FTR, good thing you responded. I'd have gotten him since I was bidding more than $5 for him. :)

326

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 00:36

Sarge
Do you have access to are roster? I will be leaving FRI around 4pm with no ISP up north. Can you moved the player I get from bench to starting?

327

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 06:40

I would not have thought it possible for 11 out of 12 teams in a league to be at .500 or better. I DEFINITELY would not have expected to be the 12th. I've got cheap QBs and cap space and am not afraid to trade them. I could use good RBs and WRs, so let me know if you're interested.

328

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 14:23

Can you pick up a player after the claim period is up? I am kind of confused by this and since my WR corps are a little depleted this week I was thinking of making a move.

329

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 15:22

see 302-312 above

330

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 15:33

I thought that was the case. OK I'll survive, hopefully...

331

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 17:24

Can I send someone my ID and password to make my move for me this weekend after my FA pickup?

332

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 17:38

I'll take care of it Golf

333

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 17:40

THANKS! I just sent email. Everyone have a great weekend!

334

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 18:46

transactions complete...

Lee moved to START for you Golf.

GRRRRRRRRRRRR YR....you outbid me on Young. :(

335

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 19:20

because I dropped Glenn I moved Rudi Johnson into my IR-slot. if Rudi gets back next week I need to drop a player whick may be Travis Henry. now that I have Young this seems to be the best option. get rid of him and cash in $15 and still have the potential starter in Denver and more money available than prior this whole disaster. this really looks like a smart decision of mine.

now I have to figure out which players to play next week when 6 of my players are on bye.

336

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 19:56

Can you pick up a player after the claim period is up? I am kind of confused by this and since my WR corps are a little depleted this week I was thinking of making a move.

337

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 19:57

Sorry folks, hit the back button to many times and it went back and reposted #330.

338

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 12:05

can we institute a new $.50 fine for nuisance posts? ;)

339

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 12:44

Just realized my kicker has a bye this week; with the 1 player a week pick-up and my poor cash situation I may take a couple of 0s at a couple of spots over the next few weeks. I think I'll pay more attention to bye weeks during the draft next year.

340

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 12:53

granted....this style of play...hybrid of draft/auction/rotisserie etc etc, REALLY requires one to watch what they are doing. Sometimes the best laid plans, will still leave you having loads of trouble fielding a full roster on any given week.

341

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 13:03

***************************************

Commissioners question:

Has everyone gotten the blind bidding process figured out, or are there still questions?

Is anyone having any difficulty navigating the site?

Are there any "procedural" questions, that need answering?

************************************************

342

wiggs
ID: 2542623
Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 13:08

i have 1 question, is the blind bid the max you will go or do you have to bid that high? for example I bid I would go as high as 6 and that is what he went for. I thought it was like the ebay thing where you bid as high as you will go, but if no one else bids you would take them for less.

343

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 13:18

To tell you the truth, I dont know. I was wondering the same. My thinking is...whatever you bid, is a "hard" bid vs an "upto" bid, but I cant be certain. I'll email AOL and ask them.

344

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 16:13

I'm 99.999% sure it's a "hard" bid.

345

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 16:57

easy way to find out....

I bid $5 for S Young this past week as my first bid option, and he went to YR for $10. Did ANYONE bid $9? If not, then its a hard bid.

346

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 17:50

I bid $7 he was my 2nd option and I got my 3rd...so it must be a hard bid.

347

wiggs
ID: 2542623
Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 20:23

i went 9 on young, almost went 11 but didnt

348

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 21:09

with a $9 bid in play, cant tell then if it is a hard bid or not. email sent to AOL and acknowledgment of the query rcvd. Answer, not yet forthcoming from them though.

349

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 03:41

Anyone try a buck for Greg Jennings?

350

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 08:47

It's a hard bid, I think, unless someone else actually bid $9 for Chris Brown back in week 2. That was $10 well spent. Oh wait, it was actually a horrible waste of money. *sigh*

351

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 22:22

Sarge

Dropping Jake Delhomme

will bid on a FA

Thanks

352

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 01:16

I can't believe I am 3-2 with LT and Alexander playing so poorly. It gives me hope if they ever get it going....Maybe I should start Turner next week. Whoda thunk it?

353

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 08:39

waiving leinart, injury
claim in

354

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 10:18

*******************************

Reponse from AOL re the bidding question:

Thank you for contacting AOL Fantasy Customer Service. All bids in the blind bidding would be considered hard bids, so in your example the player would cost the team the full $10 even if the next highest bid was only $5.
Please let us know if you have other questions.

So yes...when you bid, you are in essence placing a salary "offer" in front of that player. He'll accept it if its the highest, and he isnt going to let you know that a buck or 2 less would have done the job.

355

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 12:32

Waiving good bye to Trent Green, no injury priority though.

356

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 14:06

In another league...I had Green as one of 2 starting QBs, Warner on the bench. Now with Green out, and Leinert oput..Warner becomes a potentially solid start.

357

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 15:38

Is anyone other than Wiggs, claiming "Injury Priority" for this week? I'll need to know, in case oyu want the same player as Wiggs. (Since Wiggs would be the very last manager in order to execute F/A selections, due to reverse order of rankings.)

If noone else makes such a calim by noon Thursday, then wiggs you can let me know who you want in place of Leinart, and I'll put that player on your roster so as to preclude his going elsewhere via a higher bid.

358

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 17:40

I'd like to claim injury priority for Ahman Green if he qualifies.

359

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 18:49

couple weeks ago when he went out, no question but that he qualified. Delayed though?

Gonna put this to the league for vote. Never delt with a delay in IP claims, and the topic has never been addressed.

I'll "defer" to the leagues decision, but said decision needs to be made by late tomorrow eve, to allow for IP claims on Thurs and normal blind bid processing then on Fri.

*************************************************

Question re claiming "Injury Priority" for FA acquisition:

Should the league IP claim, be required to be made the same week a player goes down;

or

Should we allow a manager the option of taking a "wait and see" approach, before requiring them to bid $5 for a player they may not want for more than one week?

360

Kyle @ School
ID: 1198917
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 19:14

I say we can allow this. The manager might be able to afford the injury the first week, and can hope that his player might be back the next week. The next week he may have a bye and his player may not be back to fill in for the bye player, therefore causing the manager to pick up a player. He might not want to drop the injured or bye week player, and so he should have the choice to IP the injured player at a later date.
That being said, I don't think you should be able to send your player to IP the week he has a bye. (Example: Sending Ahman to the IP in week 10 if he's still hurt.) If he's already on the IP and his bye week comes up you should be able to keep him there.

361

wiggs
ID: 2542623
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 19:32

what is the report on Green, when is he due back?

362

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 19:32

I would vote no. It seems open to abuse by a manager who sees a hot free agent and wants him.

I'm not saying that's what Beezer is doing, I don't think he would do that, but it does open up the chance of it happening.

At the same time, it wasn't stated specifically in the rules so while I appreciate Sarge putting it up to a league vote, he would be within his rights, IMHO, to decide which ever way he wants.

363

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 19:37

According to the Houston Chronicle, Texans head coach Gary Kubiak said Monday there is an "excellent chance" RB Ahman Green will return against Jacksonville in Week 6.

Given that report, it looks unlikely that an IP for Green would be acceptable. HOWEVER, the question still stands, re a manager waiting to claim IP, since it was never put forth for discussion prior to this.

364

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 21:37

I'd be inclined to think this should not be allowed as well. As Frick stated, there seem to be too many ways this could be exploited for advantage. The injury priority rule is in place to aid competitive balance. While it could be argued that I could definitely use some "balance", as a general rule this seems like a bad idea.

Please drop Green and I will put in my bids for an F/A during normal processing. Thanks.

365

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 22:48

I'm still leaving this open to discussion, since it had never been brought up before. If you're willing to for go IP, you can indicate to drop Green or whomever you choose, normally. You'd only need for me to drop him early, if you need the monetary adjustment to enable your intended bid on a player.

366

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 23:25

I'd prefer to drop him early as I've entered my claims without dropping a player. If IP goes through on vote, then I'll let you know who I want - otherwise everything should be set how I need it. Thanks.

367

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 00:00

I would say that it should in general be allowed. I can easily see a situation where a player is expected to be out for a week or two and then it turns out he's gone longer. Plus, what if you have two people critically injured at once? We only allow one transaction per week...

368

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 09:12

While I agree there is the potential for abuse,I think there needs to be some flexibility,for the reasons DWetzel stated; although I have bounced back and forth on this several times.

369

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 10:00

3-2 No atm. I know my leanings on the topic, but will wait and see how the leagues posture unfolds before stating it.

370

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 11:25

via email...4-2 against.

371

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 12:27

Sarge, I want to recoup my money on Leftwich, please drop him.

372

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 13:50

I would say that if someone is out for the season he has to be replaced as soon as possible. if he is out for a few games we should be able to wait and see.

because of that I vote for "wait and see".

this is what I have done with Terry Glenn and I am currently doing with Travis Henry, Rudi Johnson, Chad Pennington and Dallas Clark.

373

DWetzel at library
ID: 19941012
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 14:04

I would propose that (at minimum) if you must drop someone, the rule be "as soon as allowed by the rules" rather than "in the week they are hurt". Again, the multiple injuries issue comes up.

(Personally, I would think that if you have multiple IP players in a week that you should be able to do those--the IP is there to provide a fallback for teams with catastrophic injuries. What could be more catastrophic than having two at once?

374

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 14:54

that puts it at 4-4...lol progress???????

375

wiggs
ID: 2542623
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 16:03

I just think that the point of the injury waive is for someone that is on the IR.

376

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 16:30

Agreed, and for that reason, given Greens status atm, I'd disallow the IP claim on Green right now. HOWEVER, that doesnt address the question...what if Green WERE still on the IR?

377

wiggs
ID: 2542623
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 18:03

this is in football, you cant go on the ir and come back off. Once you are on you are done for that season

378

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 18:10

this discussion has been had before. Yes, in the NFL, IR is for the season. We have for the past two years, used a temp holding slot on the rosters and called it IR, for lack of a better term. THAT, is no change at all. THAT, is not the question being put forth...what we call it. The question is,

CAN an IP claim be used for a player who HAS been injured for a couple of weeks.

379

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 01:34

RE:375 Wiggs:
In this league (which is a one year redraft), why would you want to keep someone who is IR? Our IR is for injured players who will definitely not play in that given week's games. If it was a keeper league I'd understand it would be a different situation.

380

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 10:19

re 353: Wiggs, if you want to claim Injury Priority for Leinert, I need oyu to let me know TODAY, who you want in his stead. The system does not recognize priority claims and those have to be manually entered. So you either let me know today who you want and I'll put them on your roster, (in which case you'd need to delete any pickups you entered in the claiming system), or you'll get who you get based on the bid system.

381

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 10:51

I would also like to claim another injury priority if possible. I'm just not sure who I want to/can use. Take your pick in this order I guess

Jamal Lewis = Doubtful, wearing a boot
Maroney - out last week, questionable this week
Hines Ward = out , but has a bye this week
Randal-El Doubtful

I would prefer to use Lewis if I can. And I have another question(which has probobly been answered before, If I were to pick up a player for Lewis, could I keep that player and drop another when Lewis comes back

382

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 10:53

I also vote for the "wait and see". Although Ahnman Green is fully expected to play this week

383

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 10:58

5-4 is where it stands atm.

Any of those players would be eligible for the IR slot on your roster. WHo would oyu want to take in their stead? (And yes, when your player comes back, you can drop anyone from the roster.) You simply MUST start the player you got, via the IP claim, immediately after getting them.

384

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 11:19

I guess I'll go with Kenny Watson and IR Jamal Lewis

385

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 11:52

re 384: done

386

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 12:10

In this league (which is a one year redraft), why would you want to keep someone who is IR? Our IR is for injured players who will definitely not play in that given week's games. If it was a keeper league I'd understand it would be a different situation.

That is my whole point, that is why you would want to waive him and get your money back.

387

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 12:21

So who do you want as your IP claim for Leinert?

388

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 12:26

got your email wiggs:

Injury Priority claims, HAVE to be of the same position as the injured player. Since you're asking for a player of a different roster slot, you would just be dropping Lienert (to recoup 1/2 his salary) and then have to go through the normal bidding process to pickup a player who, in this case, is not a QB.

389

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 12:30

i emailed you back, i misunderstood. We are good now.

390

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 12:32

OK..I adjusted your remaining monies to reflect a dropping of Lienert. I did NOT yet remove Lienert from your team, since I dont know if you had indicated to do so when you made/submitted your claims.

If your claims do NOT show you dropping Lienert, let me know and I can remove him for you now OR you can adjust (resubmit) your claims so they do reflect Lienert being dropped.

391

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 16:06

Sarges Wannabes has added:
RB Tatum Bell, DET

Sarges Wannabes has dropped:
WR Mark Clayton, BAL

I thought you had to p/u same postion? Or why was this move done before fri?

392

wiggs
ID: 2542623
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 16:08

i have been trying to waive leinart and pick up winn for 5 days now. whats the hold up, am i doing something wrong?

393

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 16:14

re 391.....I meant to drop Clayton and clicked the wrong guy, dropping Bell. Sooooooooooo, I put Bell back on my roster and dropped Clayton.

Wiggs...moves take place at 6pm tonight eastern. I have already adjusted your remaining monies to reflect Lienerts impending drop, so make sure in your claims request, you show yourself dropping Lienert. OR, I can go in as commish and drop hium for you now. But that means in your claims request(s), you would want to show "No Drop", since he would no longer be on your roster. Depending on how you placed your claims, on what you want me to do.

394

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 16:21

Rule S page 12 Line 6

Any pre dropped player that was done by mistake a $1 fine is added. Sorry just mail it to me. ;)

395

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 16:40

Attempting to pass off fraudulent fines, gives the recipient of the fine, free access to your roster. Turning your roster into their "deep bench" for 1 week. This penalty is to be imposed ONLY, if the manager trying to impose the fake fine, also attempts to collect it in the form of personal funds.

Next. :)

396

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 18:10

transactions have been executed.

397

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 18:33

Do I get any $ back for Delhomme?

398

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 18:34

I have to manually do that....and I'm busy at work atm.

399

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 21:27

Re 394 & 395 : I've GOT to read the rules more carefully...I totally missed that ;-)

400

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 04:25

sarge - when you find the time you can add $1 for Pennington. not that this dollar makes a huge difference. Thanks!

401

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 10:09

Re 394 & 395 : I've GOT to read the rules more carefully...I totally missed that ;-)

395 comes from the "Stealth" section of the rulebook. (A section which btw, has yet to be printed w/o using non-disappearing infra-red ink.) :)

402

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 10:43

************************************************

IMPORTANT....Please read/respond as called for.

Loco---You added Dayne which is fine, but who are you dropping to make room for him on your roster? (Or who are you wanting to move top I/R?) Without a corresponding drop/IR designation, you have more players than you are allowed, on your roster atm.

WISDOM--same question. You added J Porter. Who are you dropping or moving to IR to make roster space available?

Other than those 2 teams/managers...remaining salaries have been updated. In the case of the two above...I MUST HAVE A RESPONSE TODAY! Lacking that, your rosters are invalid gentlemen. $5 fine and forfeiture of games unless we resolve the question TODAY!

403

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 10:47

Loco/Beezer...Looking back, I see where you asked for Green to be dropped in post 364. You're clear. My apologies for overlooking that before.

404

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 10:50

DWetzel...I see too, where you said the same re T Green. My apologies to you for missing that one as well.

*************************************

We're all clear fellas.

405

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 11:39

Re:402, 403 & 404...I'm pretty sure I could get some money out of sarge if I could access that "Stealth" section of the rule book and had my Johnny Quest secret decoder ring...

406

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 11:41

HA! Takes a Cap'n Crunch decoder ring! ;)

407

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 11:26

Sarge, sorry for the late notice, I've been busy with work. Can I drop Grossman and recoup $2. I would like to pick-up D. Culpepper and start him today.

I had $9 remaining so I should still have $6 after this move.

408

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 00:31

Uh-oh, an actual Larry Johnson sighting. You're all doomed now.

409

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:29

With apologies Frick....waiver action was completed at 6pm eastern on Fri. I didnt even check this thing, until today at work.

410

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:49

Not a problem. I don't think it would have mattered in our match up this week. I was just hoping to recoup $2 from Grossman. Gah, that might have been my most awful purchase in 3 years in this league.

411

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:53

I'm not feeling warm and fuzzy, re the $26 I pd for Holt or the $29 for Bulger this year either.

412

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 13:18

At least Bulger was injured and Holt is a reflection of that, although as someone else said "Does Scott Linehan carry some kind of anti-offense virus?"

Grossman just wasnt't good this year.

413

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 22:44

I'm looking at my roster and trying to figure out how that team has gone 0-6 so far (other than the obvious scoring fewer points than the opponent each week reason, of course). I think I can still make the playoffs if I win out, and I'm not ruling out that as a possibility. Look out league!

414

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 11:07

You're 2nd in Pts Against. Everyone else is having their "game of the year" against either you, or myself. (3-3 and 1st in Pts Against.)

415

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 11:29

Little "amateur" analysis here:

12 teams...3 4-team divisions.

3 of the top 4 Pts For scoreing teams are in the EAST division. I'm 5th in total Pts For in the league, and at 3-3, in 4th place in my division. 1st, in Pts Against. The leader of WEST division, 3-3, I have outscored by 25 points. Yet in pts Against, my opponents have outscored his by 87! Theleader of NORTH Division, 5-1, has outscored my by 25 points. My opponents hough, have outscored his by a whopping 135 points!!

For oyur part Beezer, only 1 team has more pts scored against it than yours, but conversely, only 1 team has fewer Pts For than you. Near the top in Pts Against and near the bottom in Pts For...pretty much dictates a rough road YTD.

In my gamne this past week...

Warner out in the 1st QTR, combined with Frick getting HUGE games from MJD, C Cooley and Welker...pretty much tells the story.

Wiggs got a great game from Stover, and solid performance across the board from the rest of hisa squad this past week. OTH, Wolfers RBs were largely disappointing and his WRs were so-so.

Slowhand, I think had his high score YTD last week against Beezer. LT finally showed up HUGE. TJ, GB D and Longwell all contributed significantly. For your part, Dante did what he could, but he was really the only one who "showed up" for you this past week.

Brewfan got a couple good performances from a few players and was fortunate enough that YRs squad pretty much took the week off.

Fontes saw HUGE games from 4 players (LJ like LT finally showed up to play), while Anteaters had a great game from Brady and a good game from one other player. But 2 guys cant carry a win, unless theose two games are i-n-c-r-e-d-i-b-l-e. (or, the two guys are LT/LJ and they both show up at the same time.)

The three division assignments were done randomly, and before we began bidding on any players. I just find it to be odd and to my obvious detriment, that the top 3 teams in Pts For, are in the same division. Then you have Brewfan ranked 4th in Pts For, and then myself.

416

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 15:29

Sarge, we are the AFC South. Unfortunately I am playing the Titans/Texans role.

417

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 15:36

BTW how are the playoffs set up? Are we going to do it the way they did it back when there were 3 divisions?

418

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 15:39

Ea Div winner gets in, plus 1 wildcard team.

419

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 15:43

If this past week had been the final week of regular season:

cDiddy 5-1 Div Winner East
Anteaters 3-3 Div Winner West
Brewfan 5-1 Div Winner North
Slowhand 4-2 Wildcard (from East Div)

CD vs SH
AA vs BF

League Finale

420

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 15:13

So Sarge, was I to late to cut Grossman and get a $2 back?

421

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 15:17

Sorry Frick...but yes. You can cut Grossman if you want, but waiver action is done at 6pm Fri. That was the last chance, to recoup the monies. (In years past, we'd have had an open waiver period following the waiver requests, but with the bidding process now, when I inquired as to what "fixed price" to use for post bid transactions, I got zero response. So, did away with moves outside of the blind bid, other than the IP requests which take affect prior to the blind bids.)

422

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 18:42

sarge - in case none of my players is listed questionable on tomorrows injury report I want to drop the Jets Defense to re-activate Travis Henry who is currently on IR. Thanks.

423

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 10:12

np YR. Will do.

424

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 14:58

Sarge: E-mail sent regarding my team. I will be leaving town this weekend before the blind bids are finished.

425

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 15:26

sarge - forget the drop. Rudi Johnson will be listed as doubtful this week. I don't know if that is good (no need to drop a player) or bad (Rudi not playing) for my team.

426

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Oct 21, 2007, 12:56

424...done
425...np

427

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 01:01

I will trade kicker Olindo Mare for a defense if anyone else finds that useful this week

428

GF
ID: 369582419
Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 22:31

Sarge

With Steven Jackson coming back this week, do I need to adjust my roster? Drop Brian Leonard(r) or good to go?

429

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Thu, Oct 25, 2007, 08:14

i cant believe Brown didnt get hurt 1 week earlier, could have saved me a lot of money

430

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Oct 25, 2007, 10:33

You're allowed a 15 man roster, 16 if you have a player in our leagues IR slot. Empty that IR slot, ie the player returns, and you have to drop somebody to avoid having an illegal roster and forfeiting the game because of it.

431

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Thu, Oct 25, 2007, 20:59

forfeiting the game
HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!

Wont let me drop Desmond Clark.

432

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 10:22

confirm, you want Desmond Clark removed from your roster. Once confirmed, I'll go in and drop him from your squad.

433

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 18:39

Clark dropped...just in case one or the other of us loses our i-net for what ever reason.

434

GF
ID: 369582419
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 19:41

Thanks Sarge

435

GF
ID: 369582419
Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 11:47

Kyle's Bid for a Championship

Your roster is illegel! Please fix!

436

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 11:30

sarge - since all of my players are healthy this week I need to drop one and this is the Jets Defense. Thanks!

437

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 15:41

Um, boo... no points for a 109 yard FG return? I feel gypped.

(Not that it's likely to matter, given my spectacular performances elsewhere.)

438

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 23:21

Yah, I decided to take out all my frustration out on the 0-8 team. I feel like the Patriots, except my record still stinks.

Really? Peterson had to score 50 the same day Portis, Derek Anderson, Andre Davis and Winslow have good games?

Now McGahee will go out and put up 100 + 3 TDs, and everyone on my team will not score next week.

At least I started the highest possible receiving corps today instead of leaving my high scorer on the bench. :\

Sorry for venting after putting up the high score. My Colts just lost, my RIFC AAA #2 team just put together a 1-12 streak after starting 5-0 (double headers for those not in RIFC leagues), and I am still in last place in my division, here. This is a rough fantasy season for me.

439

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 21:36

join the club Kyle. Between the 3 teams I have this year, I'm running with 4 or 5 on every damn squad, that alternate between being on the field and in the ER. :(

440

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 22:04

I just need 28 more McGahee fumbles to complete my comeback.

441

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 22:16

not unlike my need for 10 more Big Ben TD pases. :)

442

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 10:19

Gah... anyone want a top-tier WR for a top ish-tier RB?

443

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 13:31

DWetz, I'd be willing to talk. I've got 2 RBs I'd be willing to let go of and 0 reliable receivers. Shoot me an e-mail and I'll give you my offer.

444

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 11:35

Kyle,

Ack--just saw this, sorry. Will try to email you over lunch.

445

DWetzel at library
ID: 281039912
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 13:39

Kyle, offer sent. Hoping for a fast-ish response if you can.

446

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 15:24

*********** TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT ********

Kyle gets Reggie Wayne (WR) and Lee Evans (WR)

I get Anquan Boldin (WR) and Clinton Portis (RB).

All players go with their salaries (which should mean I gain $2 in free agent money and Kyle loses it).

Kyle will hopefully be along to confirm.

447

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 15:35

Not until the league "approves" or more to the point, fails to deny, the trade.

448

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 15:37

This onw, was proposed accepted, JUST in time. From our league Rules page:

Trade Deadlines
During the preseason, league members are allowed to make their own trades:
Never

During the regular season, league members are allowed to make their own trades:
players lock 5 minutes before kickoff of their game.

Your league's season ending trading deadline is: Sat 11/10 11:30p EST

When a team approves a trade, the trade is processed when the commissioner final approves trade.

TODAY, is 11/10.

449

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 16:02

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^CONFIRM^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

450

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 16:04

Oh and Sarge, today is 11/9 on my clock. :)

451

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 16:11

And on Guru's too.

Yay for last minute deals between hapless desperate people!

452

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 16:25

I knew that.

*whistling as he sneaks away*

453

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 17:29

Oh, and Sarge?

It's Friday.

*smooch*

454

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 17:38

smooch?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

<-----keeping one eye on DW at ALL times.

455

Scarecrow71
ID: 11744120
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 19:08

Go Bulger!!! I need him to fill in for one week as Brady rests his tired arm from throwing all those TD passes (and 2 runs).

456

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 19:11

<---dropped Bulger for a reason.

457

Scarecrow71
ID: 11744120
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 19:12

Trade seems OK to me.

458

Scarecrow71
ID: 11744120
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 19:13

You dropped him so I could have him, right? That was nice of you. This can be his one good game.

459

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 19:18

roflmao...prolly throw for a new gddm record.

460

Scarecrow71
ID: 11744120
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 19:36

Lookin' for a shootout in the dome! NO 45 STL 42

461

Scarecrow71
ID: 11744120
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 19:36

Lookin' for a shootout in the dome! NO 45 STL 42

462

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 20:14

Can we fine for double posts :)

This league has taken a strange shift. I am keeping an eye on Dwetzel and Sarge from now on...

Great and Sarge is behind me right now (in the standings). Better not drop the soap ;)

463

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 11:01

Um, unfortunately I do some of my best thinking in the shower. And I had a horrifying thought. I transposed who is getting and who is receiving the salary in the above trade.

For some reason I thought I was giving up $52 in salary and getting $50, which would be peachy. But that's not the case. I'm actually getting $52 and giving up $50. (I think Kyle made the same mistake.)

Which wouldn't be THAT big a deal, except that AFTER yesterday's waiver claims (Mike Furrey $1 for Jerry Porter), I only have $1 in cap space left.

I throw myself on the mercy of the court, with a couple of options:

1. Invalidate the Furrey/Porter claim, so that I would have $2 left and $0 left after the trade.

2. Upon Kyle's mercy, he'd throw me $1 in cap space so that I'm not over the cap. (He's got plenty.)

3. Drop anvils on my head, declare the trade invalid, and make Kyle and me work it out by the trade deadline.

464

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 11:15

What this does, is to nullify the trade and result in a "fine" for exceeding the salary cap. Sorry, but the trade deal is moot, and your remaining monies = 0.

Since you lack the funds to go through with the trade, it cannot be completed. (Since our F/A is blind bidding, it could be argued that you didnt know if you would get a F/A at the time the trade deal was made/accepted. That however, is no different from the process used when bidding to staff the rosters in the first place. Outstanding bids, count against your cap money, unless/until that bid is trumped.)

465

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 11:53

actually, the $5 puts you at -4, so any trade deal negotiated would have to take that into consideration.

466

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 12:43

So, uh, Kyle...

Would you be willing to make the trade and ship me $6? :) (Ack.)

467

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 14:03

D, I think we can work something out, but a sandwich (ala my old Leftwich offer) might be in order. :)

I have to go cut the grass, but there is definitely something to work out

468

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 14:54

D, e-mail sent with a trade proposal. I'll forward it to sarge and make sure my numbers are correct.

469

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 15:53

got your email Kyle. I'll only say that you have the dollars figured correctly. This offer, is accepted, would not violate any roster values. In fact, if accepted and approved, you'd both be at $2 remaining.

HOWEVER, this trade would not be culminated in time for this weeks games. Once accepted, league managers have to have an opportunity to review, consider and determine if they wish to veto the trade. 5 vetos, and the trade is shelved.

470

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 16:47

Oh I figured I wouldn't get the trade done in time for this weeks games. However in order for this trade to be valid I need DWetzel to agree to it before 11:30 EST. Hopefully he will check his e-mail or the site before then :)

Gotta love midnight deals.

471

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 21:40

If DWetzel will confirm there has been a trade agreed upon.

Kyle gives:
Clinton Portis ($30)
Calvin Johnson ($14)

DWetzel gives:
Reggie Wayne ($30)
Lee Evans ($20)

Roster Values following transaction:
Kyle: $198 ($2 left)
Dwetzel: $193 ($2 left after $5 fine)

472

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 02:48

I need to drop kicker Olindo Mare. Cant do it myself I guess.

473

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 05:20

Confirmed. (And I thought I posted confirmation last night. For some reason it didn't show. I emailed Kyle with confirmation last night.)

474

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 09:12

Mare dropped

475

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 09:15

I'll need to see a time stamped confirmation, prior to expiration of trade cutoffs.

KYLE: fwd the email to me and we'll proceed.

476

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 12:56

Sarge, I thought I did send it from last night, but I'll send it again

477

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 13:44

got it TY.

Trade was proposed and accepted, prior to the cutoff of midnight 11/10, so it stands for league approval.

5 managers veto, and its a no-deal. Lacking 5 vetos, the trade will go through and be affective for next weeks games.

Deadline to veto: Mon 11/12, 18:00 eastern.

478

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 00:41

This will be a wild finish to the year.

Right now there is 4 teams (Frick, Sarge, Slowhand, Kyle) that are set up to be 5-5 after this week, but the wild card would be Youngroman at 6-4. And he's tied for 1st in the west with Scarecrow.
Wiggs and GolfFreak have some comfortable leads in their divisions (3 games), so I think they should feel safe.

One of the 4 5-5 teams will be 6-5 next week as Slowhand and Frick play. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.

479

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 09:19

I might have a starting QB again, so look out, Sexy Rexy is back BABY!

480

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 09:29

Peyton ever tosses 6 INTs again, and I'll start calling him Peyton Grossman. (Got him in another league. Lost by 19, and the penalty in that league for an INT = -4)

481

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 10:33

That only happened because I picked the Colts D instead of the Chargers.

Oops.

482

Scarecrow71
ID: 11744120
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 19:37

Thanks for Bulger, Sarge. 300 yards and 2 TD's was just what I needed.

I'm sure glad Frick didn't play Sexy Rexy. That would have rained on my parade.

The finish is going to be tight...

483

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 20:47

yea....um....you're welcome. :(

484

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 22:01

Sarge, I am going go guess the trade went through.

485

Scarecrow71
ID: 11744120
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 23:07

Arghh.. D.J. Hackett. Defeat clutched from the hands of victory.....

486

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 11:16

Trade culminated

487

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 15:26

Did I win this weekend. I can't access AOL from work.

488

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 15:40

yep

104.4 to 98.98

489

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 20:34

heading out EARLY in the a.m., on a 2-day motorcycle camping trip. Wont be back until Mon afternoon/evening.

490

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 10:53

Have fun Sarge!!!
I'm also ready to admit my 2 stud RB plan is a failure...perhaps if SA was not injured and Norv Turner (I still can't believe they fired Marty and hired this yo-yo) wasn't such a failure it would have worked a little better.
I've already got a new plan for next year tho.;-)

491

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 13:17

Well the only game in question this week is Brewfan (Golffreak) and Sarge. Sarge needs a Denver shut out or Elam to get hurt and not kick to win. GF just needs Elam to hit a FG. It'a likely this game won't finish with Elam only getting 1 PAT, so I am going to give it to GF.
Unless someone has a DJ Hackett type of performance (from last week), the winners thus far will win, and the loser will lose. (Sound prophetic, huh?)
This means if you are 4-7 after this week you are basically mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
Slowhand and I play next week (both 6-5) and one of us will win, meaning one will have a 7-5. It will take a lot for a 4-7 team to make it, but hold your heads up high, the Rockies did it. If there is one team who has a good shot of going 7-7 and making the playoffs it will be in the west. There is the possibility of a 3 way tie out in the west. But that would take a crazy turn of events.
Honestly, I hope that there are 8 7-7 teams at the end of this. That would just cause for some crazy, crazy endings.

492

GolfFreak
ID: 369582419
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 17:20

Hey Sarge
Im hoping for a 0-3 game! Elam with 1 sec left hits a 52 yard FG that bounces off the up right and hit the bottom post then come back on to the feild and the refs have to use replay to see it was good! Go PACK Go!!! ;)

I think C Diddy is on the juice!!! 154?! And Still has 1 player left! Thats sick! Nice job Wiggs....

493

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 17:33

i am doing this without Ronnie Brown. I need Moss to keep it up. This season has 1st round play off loss all over it.

494

GolfFreak
ID: 369582419
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 17:44

Funny I was thinking the same thing for me! 1 and done... Ive been very lucky this year alot of teams I have played have had there bad week while playing me.

Plaxico Burress and Braylon Edwards were on fire the 1st half which kept me in this thing. After losing the $61 man. (Steven Jackson) Now maybe if the Rams werent always behind he could break free.

495

DWetzel
ID: 45301312
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 19:25

Re: 491-- what, you don't think Jay Cutler can save me from abject humiliation by throwing for 300 and 3 TDs?

Me neither.

496

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 20:20

I wouldn't rule it out. Although "abject humiliation" seems a bit harsh. I'm fully embracing the spoiler role and would love to finish with a 4 game win streak.

497

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 21:18

DWetz, it's not that I don't think he can do that, it's that I don't want him to. Breezer should be rewarded somehow for staying in there and trying to improve his team even tho hope was lost in week 5.
Let him win Cutler!

498

Scarecrow71
ID: 11744120
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 22:13

Is there a different deadline for Claim transactions this week due to the Thursday games?

499

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 07:39

*******************************

Commish Note:

Yes. With a Thurs game, I'll be changing the claims process to execute Wed eve at 6pm eastern

******************************

500

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 08:56

Geez, Sarge who did you piss off this year? 2nd most points and last in your division.

It's going to be a wild ride to the finish for that last play-off spot.

501

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:25

Of the 6-5 teams, YoungRoman has the schedule to win out. The winner of my game between Slowhand and I will sill have to face wiggs, and Frick has to play GolfFreak. I hope I can hold on until All-Day comes back, and if I do I feel good about my playoff chances.

502

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:35

Even though my record reflects poorly, I dont feel bad at all about the season. With AJ being out virtually the entire season for me, my RBs taking turns being out, Bulger under-performing then being hurt and Big Ben underperforming when I needed him most.....*shrug* Such is life in FF.

I dont believe this season, disproves that top tier WRs can win the same as top tier RBs, even though I'm out of the playoff hunt. Like you said, with Nr2 in Pts For, one would not expect a record below .500, buts thats where I am.

503

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:41

Actually, I'm 3rd in the league in Pts For (2nd in my division), and 2nd overall (1st in my division) in Pts Against.

504

Slowhand-at work
ID: 16532417
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 17:50

Sarge and all...I wanted to get a replacement for Holmes but find myself unable to get on AOL this afternoon...I'm not sure whos available or how much $ I have,but I'm just heading out and will be home in about an hr if we can extend the deadline,if not I guess I'm SOL.

505

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 12:31

with apologies SH, I got swamped at work Wed eve, and didnt even see your post.

506

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 14:47

Hey no problem Sarge, I can whip Kyle's butt without a replacement RB ;-).
Besides,if I wouldn't have frivolously spent all my money; I would have the $5 to put SA on IR.

507

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 15:20

It doesnt cost anything to put a player on IR. It costs to replace that player with someone you can put on the field.

508

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 10:48

Slowhand, what happened to whipping me this week?
Not a good time to get 2 0's when you are in the middle of a playoff hunt.
It's still all up in the air as I have to play the Patriots, er... I mean wiggs. Hopefully All Day is back so Chester Taylor won't run all over and beat me.

509

DWetzel at library
ID: 3110462712
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 13:48

Hey, you know what would be great? My team sucking some more. That would be great.

*sigh*

At least I was right that Benson would suck or get hurt. It just took too long to make any difference.

510

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 21:11

Damn Kyle... I was hoping you didn't notice that post;-)

511

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 00:10

2 wins in a row - I'm ecstatic. The spoiler role has been fully embraced.

512

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 01:18

Breezer, it'd be nice if you put together a 4 game winning streak, but really the only person who can help me is myself. If you had told me when I was 3-5 that'd I'd have control of my playoff destiny, I would have told you that you are crazy. This run is Rockies-esque. Hopefully I can keep it up.

513

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 08:51

**************************

Thus game again this week, so waivers will auto-fill at 6pm eastern...tonight. Make CERTAIN, you have your requests in early or they wont happen!

**************************

514

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 14:21

So wiggs, I guess you are looking to finish the season New England Patriot style. You didn't tell anyone who went last night that you've clinched and that they can rest up for the playoffs?
I needed Ryan Grant to score 2 TDs like Lincoln needed to see that play. (Thank you Micheal Scott, I hope some of you get that reference.)

515

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 14:47

lol
sorry kyle.

516

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 15:50

sarge - I just realized that none of my player is injured any more. can you drop Darrell Jackson for me. Thanks.

517

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 16:53

I will do that YR....

unfortunately, your post is time stamped well after the rosters locked for todays games, and that means you have an illegal roster. The penalty for that is stiff, out of necessity, and has been enforced before (though not as yet this year). I'm afraid, you'll have to forfeit this weeks game. (I'm apologetic about it, because I dont like having to make that decision, but it is consistent with the one I made a yr or two ago when a manager went into a weeks games with a short roster. Cost him a game then, to be fair, a long roster has to cost a game now.)

518

GolfFreak
ID: 369582419
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 19:05

Could he drop Rudi? His game doesnt start till 815PM

519

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 19:12

sarge - no problem. that are the rules. it looks like I am out of the playoffs anyway.

I need to rethink my strategy for next year. I learned this year that not all players are draftable even if they are worth only $1. add a few injuries to key players and I am where I am: no playoff team.

520

sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 19:23

You and me both YR. Injuries plagued my "piece meal" RB corps, and with AJ being out better than half the year....my season was toast by week 4 or 5.

Good point GF re Rudi. YR...if you want to keep DJ and drop Rudi...you'd be in "compliance". Let me know.

521

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 18:21

since Rudi's deadline also passed, i guess there is no "compliance"-option any more. as I said earlier, it does not matter if I win this week, I am out of the playoffs and that is all that counts. since JackHammers is also out of the playoffs the outcome of our game does not matter too.

522

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 10:25

DJ dropped. Manually overrode scoring for the YR vs JH game. Now waiting to see when the site picks up the change.

523

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 10:32

Sarge, RE Playoffs:
If the top seed and the wild card are in the same division can they play eachother? Or are we setting it up so that if the WC and #1 are in the same division that the 2 and WC will play and the 1 and 3 will play? Right now we don't have to worry about that, but if cdiddy wins and BrewFan loses, cdiddy holds the tie break of winning thier matchup in week 7. (coincedently BrewFan's last loss) Since I have clinched the Wild Card and cdiddy and I are in the same division, this would be a possibility.

524

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 11:45

Nr1 seed will play the WC
N2 will play Nr 3

525

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 10:26

Playoffs are set!

Kyle (WC) vs Wiggs (Nr 1 seed,C Diddy)
Anteaters vs Brewfan (Other 2 Div winners)

526

Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 10:41

Bah, first year of missing the play-offs. My lack of QB production was hurtful, although the QB I was targeting probably would have been worse, Young.

Although my team has started to round into shape, just started my charge to late.

Congrats to the 4 managers who made the play-offs.

Sarge, are you going to set up a play-off for the losers? AOL allows you to set up multiple play-offs, see the RIFC's toilet bowls. 5v8 and 6v7 for 5th through 8th place. Considering how close the league was in the middle it should be interesting.

527

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 10:49

I can do that.

528

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 11:12

Playoffs...as above:

Kyle (8-6) vs Wiggs (11-3)
Anteaters (9-5) vs Brewfan (11-3)

Consolation:

YR (8-6) vs Loco (2-12)
Frick (7-7) vs JH (4-10)
Sarge (7-7) vs Fontes (5-9)
Hooterville (6-8) vs Slowhand (6-8)

529

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 11:23

Yay, more weeks of watching my team suck! :)

It's been a fun year. Count me in for next season.

530

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 11:35

There is an on-line, live auction site available, that is free of charge. I'm REALLY hoping, to find a date/time that can accomodate all of us, to do the auction that way next year. Takes about 2-3 hours total time, and we go from empty rosters to fleshed out.

Few things we need to discuss for next year btw:

1) Free Agency.

I for one, dont care for the blind-bid F/A method. Too often, a manager can get the player for $1 or 2, and that to me seems to negate in no small way, the money management aspect of the league which is a HUGE part of what makes this league so different.

I really thought that was the primary issue (for me at any rate) with this years process.

If others hold other or similar concerns... PLEASE speak up about those concerns! If you dont, it wont get discussed and it wont get resolved. No resolution, means you'll probably have the same issues/concerns next year.

531

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 12:00

Free on-line auction site

We could set it up, allowing a max of 60 seconds without a competing bid, meaning the top bid on the board wins that player.

I did a couple mock auctions on this site a year or two ago, and it works quite well. IIRC, YR is in Europe, and the issue is one of time zones. Been a long time since I was in Europe with the Army, but as I recall, Central Europe (Germany, then WEST Germany) was 6 hours ahead of Eastern time. So noon Eastern would be 6 pm there. If thats right, we could hopefully setup for a Sunday Auction, noon Eastern time, which would hopefully allow all to participate. I am NOT going to use a system which will disallow any of our returning managers from playing. Next season however, I will not have the time available to monitor the auction using the system we have been. A less intrusive, less manual method needs to be found. I'm open to and I'm asking for, suggestions/alternatives etc.

532

Scarecrow71
ID: 11744120
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 18:42

I'm all in favor of a live auction that can accomodate all returning managers. I've really enjoyed this league and look forward to playing again next year.

533

youngroman
ID: 3751268
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 19:12

sarge, you are right I am 6 hours ahead. usually I am going to sleep around 1am local time, which means with a draft duration of 3 hours I have no problem starting a draft as late as 4pm ET.

534

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 19:15

Appreciate the input YR.

I'm still going to shoot for a noon to 2pm eastern start time for an auction via the site. But before we do that next year, I'll set up a couple of mock auctions for all to get an opportunity to familiarize themselves with the process.

Input from ALL...is requested.

535

Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 23:24

I'm all for an on-line auction, but agree a couple of mock drafts would be helpful.

I've really enjoyed this league (even tho my 2 stud RBs plan failed miserably)and thought most aspects went pretty well, but can see the FA acquisition might need to be tweaked. Are you thinking a set fee would be better,or are there other options?

536

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 23:34

Definitely plan to be back next year. Also agree that in-season acquisitions process needs to be overhauled. I'll try to pull some thoughts together around this in a future post.

537

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 09:54

I for one...would be inclined to favor returning to the set price of $5 for F/A signings, and just leave it in reverse order of standings each week.

That would return the money management aspect of the initial roster auction to the game. Something I felt was lost, when F/As could be had for $1.

As a counter, make the minimum bid if we use blind bids, $3. That would allow a period after the bidding, with a set price of $5; for those managers who did not acquire someone via the F/A bid.

I still want to stay with the 1 acquisition/week limit. I think again, it gives this league a management aspect which doesnt exist in most. It also, means the F/A pool, still has value 10,11 even 12 weeks into the season.

538

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 10:18

My one request regarding the 1 transaction per week rule: I'm fine with it, but I would like to see injury priority replacements excluded from that number.

539

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 10:27

Cant agree with that. IP already allows you to move "to the the front of the line". I cant see it, also allowing a 2nd acquisition. If thats what the league wants, thats what the league would get. It is however, something I would oppose.

540

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 10:36

Well, here's my argument for it:

It's very possible, early in a season, to have two or even three injuries in a week, as I did early this season when Deuce went down, Losman got hurt--notwithstanding that that was probably a blessing--and I believe a week later someone else went down for a couple weeks.

The problem that you have isn't necessarily that you need to dip into the FA pool to replace those guys right away, but with bye weeks and other normal issues getting in the way, replacing those guys becomes a torturous process that can completely ruin a season.

A couple suggestions to temper things:

1. If you claim an IP designation, your second FA pick goes to the end of the line.

2. You can only claim a second player if the one you IP for is actually in the NFL injured reserve (i.e. out for the year).

I agree that I don't want free agents to be a free-for-all where people are sitting around their computer trying to grab free agents. A weekly transaction schedule is a Good Thing.

541

sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 10:49

OK...I could possibly be persuaded IF we installed your suggested rule e the Official I/R list.

IF you Inj Prior claim is for a player who IS officially placed on the NFLs I/R...then and only then, could you potentially take a 2nd player from F/A that week.

All other rules re our IP, would still apply. IE...the taken F/A for the IP Claim, must be of the same position as the injured player, that F/A MUST start the following week. And in order to take a 2nd dip into the pool this week....the IP claim must originate from a player whose injury has placed them on the NFLs IR list.

I would further suggest, a higher fixed price for a 2nd player. Say $7 vs the $5 we have used in the past. IOW, getting 2 dips into the pool in a week, regardless of circumstances, really alters the dynamics of the game. I think, some "cost" needs to be attached to that altering.

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Scarecrow71
ID: 11744120
Fri, Dec 14, 2007, 21:41

Would you want to put a limit on the number of times you can use a 2nd waiver pickup during the season. Part of the challenge of drafting is not having too many byes on the same week so you can utilize your bench. I like that strategy aspect which made the 1 pickup per week interesting.

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sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Fri, Dec 14, 2007, 23:28

I see your point SC, but in all honesty, I think a limit would already be in place from a prasctical standpoint, when limiting that 2nd pickup option to ONLY being available IF the manager claimed IP and the player on whose behalf the IP was claimed, is now on the IR (Officially) AND if that 2nd pickup has a higher than standard price tag...budget constraints will have put in place a limit from any practical vantage. (The 1st player from IP costing $5 and a 2nd costsing $7...makes $12 in one week. Do that twice during the year along with 2 other "normal" FA pickups...and you've spent 12+12+5+5+$34. Not many managers exit the draft, with $30 in their teams coffers.)

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sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 10:40

In the 2 play-off games:

CDiddy continued his winning ways by closing out the season on our WC Team from Kyle and Anteaters edged out Brewfan in a close one.

So...the league Championship game finds CDiddy vs Anteaters as Kyle plays Brewfan for the nr 3 slot.

Consolation bracket:

Sarge vs Slowhand for the nr 5 slot,

Jackhammers vs Loco for nr 7,

Fontes vs Hooterville for nr 9 and

Frick for YR for nr 11.

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Scarecrow71
ID: 11744120
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 19:54

Last week sure was a close one.....

Good luck CDiddy! I hope to give you a good matchup.

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wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 20:31

looking forward to a good finale. GL sir.

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sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 22:11

OK Gang....I'm out on vacation come Sunday morning wee hours. Wont have computer access for a day or two and then its X-Mas.

BOL to both managers in our league Championship game this weekend! And a very, VERY Merry Christmas to all of you!!!!!!!!!

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sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 16:26

OK gang...I'm back. And I immediately notice a problem.

Wiggs....we have never allowed player pickups once post-season begins. Its my fault for not disabling the system prior to my departure, but I got side-tracked with all the things that needed doing for the trip. You added Stecker and dropped Berrian. There in lies the problem. You won your game in the league finale, by 13.60 points. Stecker, scored 20.40 and Berrian scored 1.7. Making your correct score: 112.5 - 20.40 + 1.7 = 93.8 vs Anteaters: 98.90.

ANTEATERS is declared the league champion.

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wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 17:49

that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. There is no where posted saying no FA pick ups. I double and triple checked the thread. Not only that it was done 2 weeks ago, it should have been discussed earlier in the time so I could have atleast made a different move.

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sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 19:15

Wiggs, sorry I forgot to freeze the system, when we have not once in the past allowed a pickup after the regular season was over. This was the first X-mas in 4 years that I had the opportunity to go home over, and if that somewhat got in my way, I'll apologize. Besides which, you're starting roster for the game was short a man, and should have been indicated as such by the site. An illegal roster...is a zero for score.

Lastly...if anyone else feels they can do better as commish...step forward.

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Scarecrow71
ID: 11744120
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 18:51

Sarge,

Regardless of how the season finale turned out I think you did an excellent job as league commishioner. I'm in a number of different leagues w/ various formats and I had some of the most fun in this league.

Thanks for organizing everything and keeping as much as possible straight.

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GolfFreak
ID: 369582419
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 22:59

Here is my two cents!
I value both of you as fantasy managers that I have played in multiple leagues with. In all my years of fantasy sports once playoff start, players cant be added off the wire. But I also see there was no posting that this was illegal. What would the outcome have been not using the player Wiggs picked up but using his original roster? Did I win?

And as for this "Lastly...if anyone else feels they can do better as commish...step forward.

Well I step foward!!! I look way better then Sarge!!! ;) You have done a great job. Cancel the great job its more like a good job. Due to the roster frezze issue. ;P

Its was a very fun year and hope I can come back next year!!!!
GOPACKGO!

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wiggs
ID: 6825712
Fri, Jan 04, 2008, 08:41

Sarge,
I dont think you have done a poor job at all. I think you have done a great job. I just have never played in a league that doesnt allow play off teams to pick up players. That was my whole strategy. I wanted to save some money to make the moves. The only thing I have ever heard was teams not in the play offs couldnt pick up players. Doesnt matter anyways.

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sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Jan 04, 2008, 10:42

Truly wiggs, with the dominant season you had, I was frankly saddened that the title wasnt going to be yours. You had an INCREDIBLE team which for the most part simply walked all over your weekly competition. That you fielded a team of 9 vs a team of 10, and still outscored that team, is testimant of how strong your season was.

Busy at work atm, but as time allows I'll search thru this forum and see if I cant find where we disallowed FA post-season. It stems from season 1, and was never changed/addressed. The NFL has a cutoff datae after which players added to the roster cannot play. It was that cutoff, this "rule" was meant to reflect.

I have said repeatedly over the past 3 years, the biggest difference IMHO, between this and many other leagues, is that this league abasolutely-positively REQUIRES one to m-a-n-ag-e their team, if they hope to succeed. Auto-pilot, simply doesnt get it done. This is partly due to the level of knowledge of the participants and partly due to the format of the league. With scoring to the .04 point level, 1 yard more/less of passing by ones QB vs your opponent, can be the difference between a "W" and an "L". Combine that with the budget restrictions and the 1 F/A wk restriction, and you find a scenario in which you MUST pay close attention to bye-weeks, injuries and bench depth at key positions. I dont believe a manager in this league, is afforded the luxury of sitting on a player they have no intention of using, simply to prevent another manager from acquiring that same player. We lack the overall bench depth to allow such a tactic. And I'm sure we have all seen this tactic used to great length in some other leagues.

I'd like to thank all of you, for your participation this year. Commishing for a league of active, participative and talented managers, is MUCH more enjoyable (though at times demanding), than is commishing for a league of managers who dont much give a hoot.

I'll set up a mock auction draft at that on-line site in the next few weeks. Watch for an announcement here. WHen I get ready to set it up, I'll post here ahead of time, preciselt WHEN I will go in and set it up. I cant make it private, without paying, so it will be a public mock. Meaning, anyone can sign up for the draft. By telling you ahead of time, precisely what time and on what date I'll set it up, you have the opportunity to ensure your ability to participate.

Thanks again to all of you, and BOL with next season!

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sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Jan 04, 2008, 13:39

I cant even find where we discussed league rules for year one. I went back to ESPN (host for our first year), and I can pull up all pertinent info re the league EXCEPT for the "RULES" tab! I get a "page error" for that one. Going back to Yahoo from last year, doesnt allow me to see the full "rules" section, just an over-view. (Which doesnt address roster freezes beyond the weekly freeze.)

Let's make note, to discuss and clearly define whether or not we want to allow post season F/A.

Feel free, everyone, to add to the topics to be discussed for next season. I'm (daring to?) assume, that we will see all 12 managers returning? (At least intending to at this point??)

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