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0 Subject: G24 2007 IDP Draft Discussion

Posted by: Ref
- Donor [539581218] Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 11:48

We should use this thread during the draft.
1smallwhirled
      ID: 5378169
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 12:02
I really didn't struggle making my first pick. I'm taking Bulluck for the consistency he has shown over the years. Production similar to that level will make me pretty happy.

My main worry is waiting so long for my next pick, but I really have no clue what everyone is going to do with their picks. So I went with the safe guy.
2 Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 12:15
My 1.04 pick is available for your 3rd if someone can give me a decent draft pick in the supplemental draft. Late 1st, 2nd round pick would be ideal and you can get a top notch IDP.
3Slizz
      ID: 21733916
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 12:42
1.03 Shawn "Lights Out" Merriman, LB, SDG
5Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 12:45
Wrong thread!
6Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 12:45
yeah I did it too...

nobody else post, I'll put both in the other
7Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 12:54
Made a deal with the pick so... all good to go and I emailed the next 3.

Trade
GO acquires
Shawn Merriman
Slizz's 7th round Supp pick

Slizz acquires
AJ Hawk
GO's 3rd Round Supp pick (from THK)

Ref - should we add in CBS who we drafted or who we actually traded for?
8Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 13:02
Reminder, please everyone pick up your players after you draft them. I now have it so you can do that. Do NOT drop anyone.

GO and Slizz, since your trade doesn't involve a future IDP pick and those IDP players were already drafted, please pick up your own drafted players and submit the trade via the CBS site. I'll approve it right away.

Big trade for a one pick slot! I think there could be some interesting scenarios. Had a conversation with one manager about a few picks swap in the 4th round and he thought it might be worth nothing. He could very well be right, but I've seen times when that could be big too. You just don't know. Here we have a one pick swap in the IDP 1st which was worth about 4 rounds.
9Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 13:06
Yeah, thats the only guy I really wanted, and Jay said he liked a few guys equally, so the extra pick was useful to him.

All my picks were in the first 4 rounds anyway at that point.
10Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 14:51
I went through and added everyone's drafted player who wasn't already picked up on their own. We're not going to be around to do that much. Forgetting to pick up draftees can cause issues in making duplicate picks.

I emailed both of sj's email addresses (home and work). He would time out at 4:07 ET.
11Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 18:12
Promize times out at 6:21.
12blackjackis21
      Dude
      ID: 034837521
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 18:47
Can someone take a queue for me for pick 1.19? I'm pretty much out of commission until tomorrow am shortly.

13 Peter N.@ ds'
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 18:52
BJ21, I can take it.
14blackjackis21
      Dude
      ID: 034837521
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 19:02
Thanks Pete - sent!
15Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 19:57
Just to let those below me know: I am here, and need to take a litle time to find some way to separate the 5 guys on my list at this point. Certainly won't take more than 30 minutes.

Toral
16Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 20:16
When you figure out how to do it let me know your system as that's about the number of guys I have to try and separate.
17Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 20:26
Even though this can readily be found in our Rules, PD thought it might be helpful to us if we have the IDP scoring posted in our thread, so I'm happy to oblige and paste them.

ATK - Assisted Tackles (ID only) .5 points
BFB - Blocked Field Goals (ID/ST/DST) 4 points
BP - Blocked Punts (ID/ST/DST) 4 points
BXP - Blocked Extra Points (ID/ST/DST) 2 points
DFR - Defensive/ST Fumble Recovered (ID/DT/DST) 2 points
DTD - Total Defensive and Special Teams TD 6 points
FF - Forced Fumble 2 points
Int - Interceptions 4 points
PDef - Pass Defensed (ID only) 1 point
SACK - Sack 2 points
STY - Safety 4 points
TK - Tackle (ID/DT/DST) 1 point
18Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 20:33
OK, Ref, you were around 2 minutes ago, so I'm assuming you know you're up. I'll e-mail the next 2 guys.

Toral
19Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 20:49
While we're holding this draft we might as wekk chat....

Anyone here who would have dropped Vick?

Toral
20Action Figure
      ID: 420372221
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 20:56
I am gone. I will need a phone call or an e-mail when it is my turn. All contact information is in my league profile.

21Action Figure
      ID: 420372221
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 20:58
Someone didn't drop Vick?
22TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 20:58
Yesterday I would not have, but if keepers were due today I would have to drink 3-4 beers and think about it. I took a look at what you threw back and think you did okay keeping him. He will be back in the league someday and maybe even as soon as next season. I doubt he ever plays for your team again (Cutler), but maybe next year you get a solid trade for him.
23Action Figure
      ID: 420372221
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 21:18
I didn't realize you had Vick Toral. I probably would have dumped Vick I think he will do 1.5 to 2 years in prison and if he is not banned from the NFL for life I don't see him coming back before 2010. If and when he does come back he is going to take some serious hits.

24Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 21:30
An interesting thing about the Vick thing is how his enforced absence from NFL football will affect his running ability when he gets back.

Let's assume that he keeps as fit in prison as it is possible.

Some people might say (?) that, having absorbed no hits for the 2 years he was out, his running ability will be as good or better than ever.

Other people (like, well, me) believe that loss of running ability, for a QB, is mostly a function of age, and so Vick will be hurt by 2 years absence. Fran Tarkenton never got hit all that hard or had a major injury; take a look at his rushing stats over the years. Having played simulation football games during the 70s, I quickly noticed that QB rushing ability declines with age. Or so I think.

I would hypothesize that Vick's running ability will be constrained by his years in the can/suspended, even if he keeps up the best fitness regimen available.

Course what I'm saying doesn't help his trade prospects ;). That's my belief. I would be interested to see what others think.

Toral
25TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 21:32
If nothing else, I think it's worth the gamble to hang on to for one season.

Does anyone want to swap 1st and 2nd round IDP picks? PD, Twarpy, BJ or Pete?

I pick at 1.21 (5 picks away) and 2.04.
26Perm Dude
      ID: 22740208
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 21:49
Got the little one to sleep, and can squeeze in a pick here. Gimme five mins.
27 Doug
      ID: 113132214
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 02:40
If any of the upcoming pickers don't see much difference in moving down a few slots to 2.06, I'll swap my 5.18 in the supplemental for your 7th round pick.

I'm probably offline from about 3:30am - 10am EST.
28Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 07:14
If anyone is up for a long Q, my internet acces is going to be very spotty today.
29Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 07:30
I left a Queue with 4-5 people this morning, hopefully one of those will be available when it comes my turn.

Thanks.
30Slizz
      ID: 21733916
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 09:14
Vick is done and probably will never ever play a down again in the NFL. Name one owner who is going to want to take a chance on a guy coming off what could look like a 2 year (32 games + playoffs) suspension. 1 season for running a interstate gambling ring...which is a major violation of the NFL Personal Conduct Policy and can result in banishment for life. Another season for knownlingly euthanizing (to be nice) 8 dogs as confirmed by his plea deal. On top of that, he has a 1 year prison sentence to serve. So his suspension only takes effect when he is signed to a team, and any team who signs him is going to have to wait 3 years (most likely) for him to even set foot on the field.

All toghether, Vick will be 3 years removed from playing football. Consider this: Think about the massive PR hit an onwer would take would take for signing such a turd. Remember, the NFL is a very image-conscious league, and he is a huge black eye. I just dont see him ever playing a down in the NFL again. I mean if we had Arena Fantasy Football or CFL Fantasy Football, it would be one thing...but NFL, no way.

I dont know if you were being facetious with your previous post about him, but thats just my two cents.
31deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 09:58
Vick can also face charges from the state of VA after the Asst. USA is through with him. He is a long way from the football field unless they remake The Longest Yard - again - (with real convicts this time)
32Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 10:27
I have no idea what's up with THK, but he's been MIA for a little while. I've made repeated attempts to contact him via email and IM. He failed to post his keepers and now he times out at 11:00. Hopefully he's ok.
33 Doug
      ID: 113132214
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 10:32
I should be online most of the day for queue's if anyone (like mbj) expects to be away or have limited access.
34Doug
      ID: 113132214
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 11:09
Re: 27... after sleeping on it, I can't make up my mind who I would take. :/ There's a couple guys I'm debating between and only a few picks to go, so I'll just let the chips (or IDPs) fall where they may.
35beastiemiked
      ID: 65112917
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 11:22
I have no idea what's up with THK, but he's been MIA for a little while. I've made repeated attempts to contact him via email and IM. He failed to post his keepers and now he times out at 11:00. Hopefully he's ok.

Getting skipped for his first 2 picks of the IDP will be tough to make up. Should we give him more time since it's obvious that he hasn't just overslept? Maybe provide a designated picker for him?
38mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 11:48
I'll be back at 2 to catch up and probably leave a Q with someone.
39Perm Dude
      ID: 50747219
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 11:50
I agree with bmd.
40deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 11:50
Bmd's up, 3 emails sent. It appears THK posted 2 picks at the exact same minute I posted my pick for Rhodes so I took a few more minutes to make another selection. I'm surprized he didn't post in here at least.
41Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 12:11
thk did post after he timed out, but he's been MIA for several days. There is (was) no indication he'd be making his pick anytime soon. We are on a very tight schedule with this IDP draft. We had a great first day and we are on schedule thus far. Only two time outs and only one other over 2 hours. Super. Even better that the two who did time out, didn't get skipped afterall.

DS, by rule, he posted Rhodes first so he gets him, but your pick, stopped your time. You did have to re-pick as you suggested. Funny how he was up to draft for hours then got his guy by literally seconds. So your clock stopped (and bmd's started) at 11:27.

PLEASE PICK UP YOUR OWN PLAYERS!!! I managed to pick up a dozen or so of them, but there are still others and my time on here may be limited this afternoon. Also please email the next three. I was online last night but not checking the thread and fortunately DS emailed me about a half hour into my pick or I would have even taken longer.
42deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 12:26
I just got a queue for TB. He's blocked from work. I will pick now. Ref or Card, can you pick up his player?
43Myboyjack
      ID: 17262011
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 12:56
5 man Q sent to Doug. Thanks Doug

I should be back on-line by 7:00 EST tonight.
44 Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 13:18
If someone wants pick 2.21 - I will trade down to the 4th round here.

Mainly I am looking to add a 3rd (or a couple 4ths and I throw in my 7th?) in the supp draft. Something in that range. I am a pick short in that draft so the 2 picks might be more useful. Whoever has an extra pick should certainly using that and offering me something.
45Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 13:39
Will pick for Twarpy momentarily.
46Doug
      ID: 113132214
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 13:45
FYI Great One... accordoing to the preseason thread you don't have a 7th round pick (or a 6th or a 5th).

Maybe a trade has happened since that chart was posted though.
47Perm Dude
      ID: 50747219
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 14:07
Decided to go with another linebacker. This forces my hand the last few rounds, but my charts have Brooking well ahead of any DL or DBs still left, so I went with the "best player available" theory.
48Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 14:09
I acquired Slizz's 7.09 pick.
49Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 14:14
I really flip-flopped on my choice when Brooking was there, PD.....but I have someone in mind for Round 3 so I figured WTF and took a top DL for Twarpy.
50StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 14:34
I called AF to let him know he was up. He said he should be able to pick in about 15 minutes or so.
51Doug
      ID: 113132214
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 15:10
FYI, Ref told me the cable guy was coming by to fix his internet... I think he was trying to get me a queue, but appears to have lost connection before he put it together.

Anyway, he didn't think it would be long until he got back line, and I don't have his phone number. Just a heads up... I don't think he'll be offline for real long, but no need to click refresh every 30 seconds either. ;)
52deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 15:24
Ref's up in the RIFC AAA#1 draft also.
53Twarpy
      ID: 577492114
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 15:54
Thanks Species for filling in last second, I was able to buy internet access time from the gf for a bit, so Im in a cafe in Montreal quickly typing something out. I will have internet access at her house in Ottawa on Wednesday night, and then be back in Toronto on Thursday.

Side note to GO I will pay for 101 on that day, and saw your email.
54Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 16:39
Thanks Doug. Yeah they turned my line off as I was putting my q together in an email. Line was throwing major errors and hopefully its fixed once and for all. Just got back up. Sorry for the hold up. Heading to kaf now for RIFC AAA1.
55Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 19:32
That's legal, ain't it? I don't think anyone else has heard of this Dansby guy. So I can pick him up and make him of myself.?

Toral
56Perm Dude
      ID: 50747219
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 19:43
He's supposed to play inside linebacker this year, I think--might see a jump in tackles as a result. I think he'll have a hard time matching the 8 sacks last year inside, however, but this league gives greater weight to the tacklers so it could turn out to be a nice pickup.
57Doug
      ID: 113132214
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 20:42
Pick him up and "make him of yourself"? Are you playing God with LBs again Toral? ;)

Dansby was high on my list actually.
58deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 20:48
Cards - yer up in AAA#1
59Great One
      ID: 201155199
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 20:50
Can someone tell me what the "guru" category is on the defensive player stat sort?
60Doug
      ID: 113132214
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 21:18
On the sportsline site?

"Guru" is CBS Sportsline Fantasy Guru's scoring projection for the upcoming week (not to be confused with OUR Guru, Dave Hall, nor the name of our league, nor anything at all like that). Also, it's nothing unique to defensive players.
61Doug
      ID: 113132214
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 21:21
BTW, I've noticed times when I tend to agree with it in very ROUGH terms, other times it has seemed WILDLY inaccurate (the wilder inaccuracies are usually because it hasn't been updated because a player got promoted/injured/etc... which have sometimes taken weeks for them to correct).

But if they project one guy at 7 points and another guy at 9 points, for example, I'll often feel like it should be 8 and 4 rather than 7 and 9, based on the defense being played against that week and so on. I'm not sure they do a very good job of evaluating matchups in that sense. Just my .02
62deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 21:26
Pick made for Promize, 3 emails sent. Could one of the Commish's pick up Schobel for Promize to clear him off CBS? Thanks.

ds
63blackjackis21
      ID: 29713217
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 22:00
Sorry about the non-bold on the draft thread. Was on my phone and couldn't find the "<>"'s, but figured it wasn't worth holding things up.
64Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 22:11
I got him DS, thanks for your help... Just walked in... Was home for a big 10 minutes today lol
65StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 22:40
I'm here and will be picking shortly
66deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 22:53
Glad to help Promize. I'll be around most of the afternoon tomorrow if you need to ship a queue. (Costco with the ball-n-chain in the AM). lol
67Doug
      ID: 113132214
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 23:14
Trade Announcement

Doug gets:
Antoine Winfield
2007 supp pick 7.09
2008 supp pick 3."GO"

GO gets:
2007 IDP pick 4.06
2007 supp pick 4.13
2007 supp pick 5.18
2008 supp pick 6."Doug"
68Great One
      ID: 201155199
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 23:18
Confirmed.
69Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 23:32
That trade is approved and has been documented in the rules and will be posted in the draft thread to alert managers tothe fact that GO has the 4.06 pick.
70smallwhirled
      ID: 5378169
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 00:17
I left a 1 man Q to Cards and Ref if Yokel picks overnight. If my guy is gone, I need to do a quick re-eval and I will pick around 8-9 AM.
71Slackjawed Yokel
      Leader
      ID: 052347519
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 00:23
I'm here, sw, if you're still around. I'll be picking in a few.
72Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 00:28
Dear sw -

Due to your taking of Willis, you are hereby removed from my Spring Training invite list.

FU very much! ;-)
73Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 00:41
Yokel, you freakin HOMER!!!

Sanders was rated so low in every single chart or site that I was pretty confident he'd fall to me in the middle of the 3rd. Well...back to the drawing board!
75Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 00:47
Note that the managers who have less than three hours of cumulative time left don't get their full three hours to pick before being skipped.
76Slackjawed Yokel
      Leader
      ID: 052347519
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 07:57
Ref - Yeah, 2 Colts at once may be a bit over the top... but I was debating another DB who also had the same bye week. figured I might as well go with Sanders. no doubt the colts' secondary stands to make a lot of tackles.
77Slizz
      ID: 237341222
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 08:14
RE: Cards 2nd round pick. - Freddie Keihao

I love that pick, totally underrated selection. I was banking on him being available in the 3rd round for myself and was sadly disappointed when Doug sent me an updated list to my blackberry of the selections so far only to show that he was already picked!

It was the emergence of Keiaho in the Colts lineup during their playoff run (and a healthy bob sanders doesnt hurt either) that allowed them to finally stop the run. Keihao, is a far superior tackler to June and that LB position in the tackle friendly "tampa 2" should bode very well for your fantasy squad!

Well done Cards!
78Slizz
      ID: 237341222
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 08:14
Thanks Ref for posting my picks in order to speed the draft up! Much appreciated.
79smallwhirled
      ID: 5378169
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 08:57
Glad I could help. ;)
80skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 10:21
RE: 73 I was having trouble decide between Bailey and Sanders at my pick. I had hoped Sanders would drop to me in rnd 3 as well.
81Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 10:36
Bah, really thought that pick would fall to me GO How could you be so mean!
82skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 10:59
Thanks, CC. I was trying to decide between Osi and Ed Reed, and u make it easy on me.
83Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 11:17
I have a long q from promize for his last pick and there are still some guys on it. I don't know if this list is still good or he wanted a certain position. Does anyone else who has that list know for sure or available to ask him?
84Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 11:27
I was around REF today :) Sorry...

That was some quick CBS work also, I was like.. Huh, guy isn't in the system?
85Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 11:33
Yeah, I added him for you as I didn't think you could get into CBS from work. I just saw that Rhodes was still available so I'm going to have to go through every pick and figure out who wasn't added so we don't start having dup picks and managers getting skipped to little fault of their own.
86deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 11:39
Ref - I'm out for a couple of hours, so I sent you a queue for the 3rd round. I don't know who I'm picking in 4. Sorry.
87 Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 11:45
I was comfortable moving down because I had 4 guys I liked.... so of course the que got picked clean, so Landry was a nice find I guess.

Then again, offer me your last round pick and something to move up in the supp draft from the 5th round and he's all yours!
88coldwater coyotes
      ID: 544382119
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 11:53
Skinneej ..I may regret picking Osi if Strahan doesn't play this
season.
89smallwhirled
      ID: 5378169
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 12:18
I was wondering when Sean Taylor would finally go...there it is.
90skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 12:48
It's funny, all the recent picks were on my short list, and I have been having discussion all morning with co-workers about who to take. I'd bring up guys like Dawkins and they's say too old, then Taylor and it was drug problems, so it came down to Osi, Reed and Farrior as my top 3. Looks like I was dialed into what others were thinking too at this point. Early on I was looking up some players to see who they were because I didn't have them on my top 30 at any positions. I started thinking I was missing out on something.
91Myboyjack
      ID: 17262011
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 12:53
Anyone around for a 4 man Q for my pick at 3.16?
92Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 12:53
I hear ya guys. Early on there were some suprises but lately, my short list gets picked clean as fast as I can put some names together.

Does anyone know how to get a hold of Toral? He times out of the draft in around 20 mins or so. He has been emailed.
93skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 12:56
Can someone make the pickups for the teams that are forgetting or are leaving queues. I almost took Terrell Suggs last pick before checking the draft thread since I go the the site to see who's left first.
94Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 13:15
sj, I went through and found a few players but there are still about a half dozen players who need picked up according to the difference between picked up players and idp picks made. I'll try and go through them one by one but trying to get my own q together as well as post for others.

mbj, I should be around to help you.
95mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 13:30
Went for younger guys in the first 2 rounds as potential keepers. By now, I'm just looking for the best available and have no problem with an older guy like Dawkins.
96Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 13:32
Dawkins was #1 on my list.

I found that CT hadn't picked up any of his guys--including Suggs. Still like 3 guys drafted who have not been picked up. Still searching for who they are.
97Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 13:43
Also found and added Dansby for Toral and Peterson for CC Rider. There's either another one I'm missing or one was added between counting one site to the next. Will go through it again in a bit.
98beastiemiked
      ID: 65112917
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 14:01
I'll be out for an hour or so and don't have time to make my queue. Should pick no later than 3:30 ET if it gets to me.
99Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 14:17
I never got mbj's q. He's been up for a few.
100skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 14:24
Thanks, Ref. That clears potential draftees up a bit. Now if only I didn't have to wait about 30 more picks to draft again...
101deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 15:11
Ref - I'm back now & will make my pick. disregard my queue for round 3. Thanks.
102Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 16:47
Anyone else notice, the slight site design change today (esp. colors) and see that the site has changed it's name from CBS Sportsline to CBS Sports?
103 AZ Cardinals
      ID: 37262119
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 17:01
REF- thanks for picking up my guys to cbs...everyone else--my bad for not picking up after drafting-hopefully it didn't create too big of an issue for everyone.
104smallwhirled
      ID: 5378169
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 17:13
Yeah, I heard they were going to do this a couple days ago.
105blackjackis21
      ID: 457541021
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 17:15
Unfortunately, I can't get on the site with my phone right now to pick up my guy... fyi.
106Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 17:20
Have been requested to update the S-Draft Order for possible trading options during the IDP draft. Will also fix it in our fooball forum thread along with actual documented trades.
  Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 7
1 ds' Eagles PD's Browns PD's Browns PD's Browns PD's Browns PD's Browns PD's Browns
2 Twarpy's Giants Doug's Raiders Promize's Seahawks Promize's Seahawks Promize's Seahawks Promize's Seahawks Promize's Seahawks
3 Promize's Seahawks Coyotes' Broncos Peter's Cowboys Peter's Cowboys Peter's Cowboys Peter's Cowboys Peter's Cowboys
4 PD's Browns Twarpy's Giants Twarpy's Giants Twarpy's Giants Twarpy's Giants Twarpy's Giants Twarpy's Giants
5 Peter's Cowboys Yokel's Jaguars Yokel's Jaguars Yokel's Jaguars Yokel's Jaguars Yokel's Jaguars Yokel's Jaguars
6 Yokel's Jaguars SJ's Packers SJ's Packers SJ's Packers SJ's Packers SJ's Packers SJ's Packers
7 sw's Chiefs mjd's Chargers mjd's Chargers mjd's Chargers mjd's Chargers mjd's Chargers mjd's Chargers
8 mjd's Chargers Toral's Saints Toral's Saints Toral's Saints Toral's Saints Toral's Saints Toral's Saints
9 Toral's Saints Slizz's Bills Slizz's Bills Slizz's Bills Slizz's Bills Slizz's Bills Doug's Raiders
10 sw's Chiefs ds' Eagles ds' Eagles ds' Eagles ds' Eagles ds' Eagles ds' Eagles
11 Slizz's Bills sw's Chiefs SJ's Packers sw's Chiefs sw's Chiefs sw's Chiefs sw's Chiefs
12 CT's Cardinals CT's Cardinals CT's Cardinals CT's Cardinals CT's Cardinals CT's Cardinals CT's Cardinals
13 Doug's Raiders Promize's Seahawks thk's Vikings GO's Jets Doug's Raiders Doug's Raiders Doug's Raiders
14 GO's Jets GO's Jets TB's Ravens GO's Jets StL Cards' 49ers thk's Vikings thk's Vikings
15 AF's Falcons AF's Falcons AF's Falcons AF's Falcons AF's Falcons AF's Falcons AF's Falcons
16 Ref's Colts Ref's Colts Ref's Colts Ref's Colts StL Cards' 49ers TB's Ravens Ref's Colts
17 bmd's Texans bmd's Texans bmd's Texans bmd's Texans bmd's Texans bmd's Texans bmd's Texans
18 GO's Jets thk's Vikings Slizz's Bills thk's Vikings GO's Jets thk's Vikings thk's Vikings
19 bj21's Rams bj21's Rams TB's Ravens bj21's Rams bj21's Rams bj21's Rams bj21's Rams
20 Ref's Colts thk's Vikings TB's Ravens bj21's Rams TB's Ravens TB's Ravens TB's Ravens
21 mbj's Bengals mbj's Bengals mbj's Bengals mbj's Bengals mbj's Bengals mbj's Bengals mbj's Bengals
22 StL Cards' 49ers GO's Jets Ref's Colts StL Cards' 49ers StL Cards' 49ers StL Cards' 49ers StL Cards' 49ers
23 CCR's Bears CCR's Bears CCR's Bears CCR's Bears CCR's Bears CCR's Bears CCR's Bears
24 Coyotes' Broncos Coyotes' Broncos Peter's Cowboys Coyotes' Broncos Coyotes' Broncos Coyotes' Broncos Coyotes' Broncos
Picks Altered Due to Draft Lottery
Pick Traded
Pick Traded Twice
107deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 17:27
I've got TB's queue. Will pick in a sec.
108Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 17:38
bj21--got you

ds--back to you.

thk has been emailed but aside of his post of two players, still no word from him. He has two hourse before he would time out of the draft. Hopefully he's around.
109deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 17:52
I'm here, will pick in a minute or two.
111Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 18:05
Wonder what the chances are that this will complete tonight... 3%?

Be nice, so don't have to worry about it at work tommorow.
112Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 18:33
Promize, if we do then we will be able to get the S-Draft started on Thursday sometime. THK picked so that definitely helps our chances. My guess is that we finish sometime tomorrow.

Just a note that I likely will not have access tomorrow morning or perhaps early afternoon. Same thing goes for Sat morning/afternoon to maybe even early evening. So Qs need to go elsewhere for those times.
113Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 18:38
My S-Draft tommorow won't be that difficult :)

Will just have to leave a 3 person queue
114deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 18:58
picked & emails to TB & BMD sent. Pete's next door, so I can just hollar at him.
115deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 18:59
I did send out THK & BMD's emails, just didn't post as the AAA#1 heated all the way to Hubble. ;)
116Perm Dude
      ID: 7723229
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 19:28
I'll be around--only one guy in my queue. Hope he lasts!
117Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 19:48
GO is up with the traded pick.

DS, I've been trying to reach Hubble all day via AIM but coudln't get him to respond and has now been away for the last 5-6 hours. I have a one man Q over there and am working on my backup now so I can spend some quality time with the family now.
118Great One
      ID: 201155199
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 19:50
here and picking shortly...
119Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 19:55
I'm going to be away for awhile. Don't forget to pick up your players. We will try and find them for you, but ultimately it is your responsibility. If we miss them and your guy is not picked up, he will be eligible to be picked up in the S-Draft and you will lose your rights.
120beastiemiked
      ID: 65112917
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 20:13
Ref, thx for getting both my #1 guys.

I'm going to the Rage concert Friday night. Will be driving most of the day Friday and Sunday but will have my internet card so I should be fine. Friday night and all day Saturday I'll probably need to leave a queue.
121smallwhirled
      ID: 5378169
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 20:20
Rage >> G24 draft.
122Action Figure
      ID: 20910
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 21:30
I may be out of the loop but did we discuss how keepers will work with IDPs. Will we have a set amount of those players that we can keep and then a set amount of players to keep for offense?



123Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 21:36
There are 9 keepers total.

I emailed Species since he's been picking for Twarpy.
124Perm Dude
      ID: 7723229
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 21:42
You can thank me later, coldwater.
125Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 22:17
Who's going to stay up till Midnight tonight that might take a queue for me?

Eyes are shutting down fast, but so close to pick
126 Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 22:20
promize - I'll be up for a couple more hours and will back at it early tommorrow morning if you want to bang it here.
127Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 22:42
Sent and thanks
128Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 22:47
I'm on deck but if AF doesn't pick soon, I'm going to have to leave a q as well. Toral can then pick at any time since he has timed out. Don't send me any Qs please.
129Action Figure
      ID: 20910
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 22:58
I just got back to the PC.

I'll need about 12 minutes.

130Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 23:04
NP AF. Thanks for the heads up.
131Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 06:50
Any one up early so I can leave my queue for the last pick of this draft... And then first pick of the S-D...

I'll be probably leaving around 8:15 eastern time to go to work.
132Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 07:01
I'm around. I still have your email from last night, if it's still good.
133Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 07:16
Yah, last nights is fine...

Wonder what time will start the other draft... hmmm...
134Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 09:46
I don't see why we couldn't start the Supp Draft at the same time (meaning now). Just make a provision that no defensive player can be chosen in the supplemental until the IDP draft is completed... so if we knocked out the whipped through the first 15-20 picks til someone wanted a defensive guy - then he would just need to wait on the IDP draft to complete.

But I don't see why we couldn't put it up (as soon as Ref returns and is able to) and get it rolling...
135skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 11:50
Anyone drafting over the last few picks of the IDP draft want to trade it? I'll offer my 4th round pick (4.06) in the supplemental draft for your 4th rounder in this draft.
136Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 12:07
Email sent.
137StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 12:10
I'm game for that skinneej as I don't have a 2nd or 3rd round pick in the supplemental draft. That is assuming I can have all my regular picks + your 4th rounder and I don't have to be limited to just 7 picks in the regular draft.
138StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 12:17
Well GO was first so I guess you should GO with him.
139Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 12:35
Alright, well I gotta run out to my lasik checkup and lunch til about 2 PM.
2SJ - if your guy is there, go ahead and pick him and I officially confirm the trade.
If he's not - I'll send my emergency que to Cards.
140skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 13:13
Confirmed with GO. I didn't see your response in time STL before I had e-mail him back. I have two guys that I am considreing, so whichever is left I will take.
141Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 13:23
We didn't approve a trade yet so that last pick as of now was picked for GO.

GO, we couldn't run the drafts concurrently because IDPs are fair game in the Supp. Draft. Will try to get the S Draft going asap after the IDP draft concludes. Hopefully all players have been picked up, etc.
142smallwhirled
      ID: 5378169
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 13:39
Anyone up for a 2 man queue. Slizz is up, but I need to get away for a little bit.
143 StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 13:43
I can take a q
144smallwhirled
      ID: 5378169
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 13:47
Sent to you and ref (who I got a hold of on AIM at the same time I saw this.
145StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 13:51
ok, good thing as I think my email isn't coming through right now, or at least being delayed somewhere along the pipeline.
146Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 14:04
He goes to lunch 1-2 PM usually so I predict Slizz will pick shortly.
147deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 14:32
Slizz picked, so if Cards got the queue, its sw time.
148smallwhirled
      ID: 5378169
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 14:36
Not sure why my queue didn't get done. Sorry about the holdup, I'm back and picked.
149StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 14:38
Sorry SW, I just now got the email. My email is being delayed up to an hour right now for some reason.
150smallwhirled
      ID: 5378169
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 14:43
No problem, doesn't matter to me. It only really mattered to Yokel.
151Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 15:30
Ref/Cards
Just want to make sure you see that trade since it kind of got lost in conversation.

2SJ acquired GO's 4.21 IDP pick
GO acquired GO's 4.06 supp pick
152Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 15:33
Maybe this is mentioned in another thread -- but when is the regular supplemental draft starting?

Toral
153Perm Dude
      ID: 15728239
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 15:39
As soon as the IDP draft ends.
154Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 15:42
Literally as soon as it ends -- like with one pick left, it could start in 5 minutes? Or would we be waiting till tomorrow morning for timing to start?
155StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 15:46
We hope to get it going tonight, around 6, but ref is having Internet trouble right now so it could be delayed if they don't get him connected soon.

We have to wrap up the IDP draft and verify players are added and then set up the draft thread. Right now we hope to be up by 6, but that is assuming ref is able to get on and that I don't have to do it myself.
156Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 15:48
Thanx.
157StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 15:48
RE: 151
you wrote it out wrong, but it's obvious what it is supposed to be.

2SJ acquired GO's 4.21 IDP pick
GO acquired Skineej's 4.06 supp pick

That trade is approved.
158smallwhirled
      ID: 5378169
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 16:05
Starting around 6?

I'm going to watch a HS football preseason game tonight. I won't be back "too" late, but it probably won't be until about 10.

Anyone picking after 10 want a queue? I can leave a 10 player queue to get through my 2 1st round picks if anyone wants it.
159 Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 16:18
sw - I'll be around all night.
160smallwhirled
      ID: 5378169
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 16:20
Thanks mbj.

I'll prepare it and get it out in the next 15 minutes. I just would rather not hold it up for a few hours if it flies when I already have a plan.

It might not even get up to pick 7 or 10 though, but it's better being safe I guess.
161smallwhirled
      ID: 5378169
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 16:42
I sent the queue. I doubt we will even get that far, but this is just a precaution so I don't hold it up. Thanks again.
162Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 16:49
np. gadit
163Slizz
      ID: 21733916
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 17:10
Thursday evenings are almost always a bad time for me to do pretty much anything. That being said, I will not be home about 10:30ish tonight. Although I'd love to give GO or someone picking below 11 a queue, I might be willing to make/strike a deal involving that pick. Therefore, a queue wouldnt serve my team's best interests.

However, If you need to immediately contact me, just shoot me an email: jayrsherby@tmo.blackberry.net. That way, you should receieve a prompt response.

Additionally, will there be a thread such as the Gurupie 24 '06 Draft Recap set up to analyze the IDP picks??? Or should we just do that after we finish the supplemental????
164Perm Dude
      ID: 15728239
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 17:12
The recap is a good idea, but it might be tough to do without mentioning undrafted players!
165Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 17:47
Got my service back. Working on the CBS site right now and will work on the S draft thread as well. Will email all and create a new draft thread and discussion thread for the SDraft as well.

Slizz, PD et al, it's your call. If you want to recap/rationales for the IDP draft in this thread or start a new one, it's up to you so feel free to post them here or start a new thread on it.
166Great One
      ID: 201155199
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 18:21
I'll be home and can take ques.
I am picking 14th and 18th (conversely, anyone interested in trading down, I have lots of good picks and am willing to work on something - including 2 1st's, 2 2nd's and am willing to part with next year's 1st round). But top 4 is what I'd be looking for. Or a good RB or WR. You can get a whole lot of depth and fix a variety of problems with that many picks.

I'd probably just want to wait to do a recap after this whole thing is completed, especially since we can still pick some IDP's in this part of it. I don't want to say that I debated between this guy and this guy - and then "this guy" #2 gets picked earlier than he should have in the supp draft cause I mentioned his name.
167Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 18:25
Cumulative Draft Time
  Manager Pick 1 Pick 2 Pick 3 Pick 4 Time Used Left Avg Status
1 Yokel's Jaguars 0:00 0:17 0:00 0:52 5:00 1:09 3:51 0:17 Done
2 sw's Chiefs 0:03 0:03 0:00 0:25 5:00 0:31 4:29 0:07 Done
3 Slizz's Bills 0:53 0:25 0:00 0:53 5:00 2:11 2:49 0:32 Done
4 GO's Jets 0:01 0:03 1:17 0:20 5:00 1:41 3:19 0:25 Done
5 StL Cards' 49ers 0:05 1:00 1:13 0:06 5:00 2:24 2:36 0:36 Done
6 CCR's Bears 0:00 0:32 0:04 0:00 5:00 0:36 4:24 0:09 Done
7 Coyotes' Broncos 0:03 0:07 0:17 0:02 5:00 0:29 4:31 0:07 Done
8 SJ's Packers 2:08 0:10 0:06 0:35 5:00 2:59 2:01 0:44 Done
9 Doug's Raiders 0:00 0:16 0:00 0:04 5:00 0:20 4:40 0:05 Done
10 Promize's Seahawks 3:00 0:00 0:16 0:00 5:00 3:16 1:44 0:49 Done
11 CT's Cardinals 0:45 1:21 0:51 2:03 5:00 5:00 0:00 1:15 TO
12 mjd's Chargers 0:14 0:06 0:10 0:51 5:00 1:21 3:39 0:20 Done
13 Toral's Saints 1:11 2:57 0:52   5:00 5:00 0:00 1:15 TO
14 Ref's Colts 0:45 1:23 0:06 0:01 5:00 2:15 2:45 0:33 Done
15 AF's Falcons 0:02 0:47 0:21 1:05 5:00 2:15 2:45 0:33 Done
16 mbj's Bengals 0:09 0:00 1:41 0:22 5:00 2:12 2:48 0:33 Done
17 PD's Browns 0:25 0:21 0:22 0:06 5:00 1:14 3:46 0:18 Done
18 Twarpy's Giants 0:31 0:57 0:35 1:36 5:00 3:39 1:21 0:54 Done
19 bj21's Rams 0:00 0:06 0:08 0:33 5:00 0:47 4:13 0:11 Done
20 Peter's Cowboys 0:02 0:05 0:43 0:04 5:00 0:54 4:06 0:13 Done
21 TB's Ravens 0:30 0:00 0:00 0:40 5:00 1:10 3:50 0:17 Done
22 Bmd's Texans 0:42 0:22 0:00 0:00 5:00 1:04 3:56 0:16 Done
23 ds' Eagles 0:00 0:27 0:24 0:30 5:00 1:21 3:39 0:20 Done
24 thk's Vikings 3:00 0:00 0:28 0:00 5:00 3:28 1:32 0:52 Done
  Total Time 14:29 11:45 9:54 11:08 0:00 23:16 0:44 0:29  
  Avg/Mgr 0:36 0:29 0:24 0:27 5:00 1:58 2:54    
  Avg/Pick         1:15 0:29 0:12    
168Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 18:32
DS, check your email. There is an issue we have to resolve before the S draft can be opened up.

Still working on things. Hope to have the S draft up within the hour--hopefully sooner.
169deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 18:53
Ref - reply sent
170Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 19:07
Gotcha DS. Changing that now.

FYI, The thread in our keeper declarations takes precedence if there is a discrepency between that and CBS. DS checked a wrong box but luckily we can fix that for him as his intended keepers were properly posted. Luckily this was caught before the S draft started. Cards DST was kept and Scobee should have been dropped.

We also found an error in schedules last week which resulted in incorrect schedules for three teams. We both rechecked every team and every week again and couldn't find any more errors--but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Please double check your own team just to be sure.

Held up a little because I still feel like I'm missing one draft pick. I can only count 95 added IDP picks into the db. There should have been 96 picks. We went through and added everyone guy who was failed to be picked up--or so we thought. Can someone take a minute to check our work as we're not finding it. Just go through the transaction log and count added IDP players (don't count Cards DST or the traded picks).
171Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 19:16
I see everyone with 4 IDP's other then the Packers with 5 and Jets with 3

You can go look at the Roster Grid under Teams
172Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 19:31
Thanks Promize. We couldn't find an error either. Not sure why only 95 adds seem to be coming up.

Btw, sj is allowed to have more players than anyone else as once Keepers are declared you can go up to the max at anytime (19). But as soon as anyone hits 19 players, their draft is complete.

Will have the S Draft open any minute...and we have Qs to get it started...
173Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 19:40
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