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0 Subject: RIFC AAA #2 Regular Season Discussion

Posted by: Kyle
- Donor [052753312] Sun, Sep 02, 2007, 10:02

Preseason Discussion
Draft Peek
Draft Rationals

I have processed the 2 waiver claims. They are:
twilson:
Add: David Garrard, QB, JAC
Drop: Byron Leftwich, QB, JAC

fugazi:
Add: Ahmad Bradshaw, RB, NYG
Drop: Eric Coleman, DB, NYJ


Please go through and make sure your rosters are right, if there is something wrong please feel free to let me know. Nobody's perfect, but I try to pretend I am. Also please make sure the settings are up to the RIFC's standard. I believe I have them all right.
The schedule will be put in soon, I found a website and now I have to try and find the time to put it in. It should be in no later than Monday night.
Also I have the waivers turned off. Please ignore that I will turn that back on ASAP. I am out for a good part of the day. I have to help someone pack up and move out of their place. Feel free to rant, rave, or tell me something that doesn't look right :)
1 judy
      ID: 7771722
      Sun, Sep 02, 2007, 13:04
Kyle

I have the AA schedule which you can use. It is in excel
spreadsheet using numbers. You would just need to find/replace
with team names. Send me an email and I will shoot it to you.
2fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 04:50
Why do I play Wiggs twice in week 4?
3holt
      ID: 587112719
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 05:43
ouch. make sure you play everyone twice, and preferably the games should be spread so that you play an opponent once during the bye week period (wks 4-10?) and once in the non-bye-week period.

there are existing rifc schedule templates available.
4wiggs
      ID: 587393111
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 08:50
fugazi, good news is you might win both games :)
5Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 10:34
I am putting in the schedule and just double checking things. It's not done yet but will be done by 5pm CST. Sorry, I got delayed yesturday and wasn't able to finish before my eyes started to close.
6Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 14:17
can we just pick players up now?
7Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 14:26
You may indeed. I have the waivers set up so when you drop a player he will be on waivers. Every player should be a FA (unless they were dropped in the last day, then they should be on waivers). The rosters are finished and if you have a problem with yours let me know ASAP.
8judy
      ID: 7771722
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 14:57
Kyle do you know this answer?

Question for GURU (or anyone else who knows the answer) from
AA commish:

Thanks.

I am supposed to set the claims order manually using worse
record to best. I guess I am confused because one of the drop
down options for the claims to be set automatically IS from
worst to first (by percentage of the season or by total points so
far) so why would I need to do it manually?

Also I am no where near a computer from 9 am Wednesays until
evening around 8, so the claim deadline of Weds noon (to file
for a player) works, but the free agent drops/adds time of 1:00
Weds does not as I will not have had time to process the claims
(unless AOL does it automatically?)
9Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 15:14
IIRC the claims procedure changes at some point in the season. It is initially the reverse of the draft order, but needs to be updated each week as claims are made (if you make a claim you go to the end of the line, that is the manual part.) I don't remember it ever going to record unless it was later in the season.
10Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 15:40
Judy:
To answer your question. I see no problem with the way AOL does it. It can mimic the way RIFC does it and do it automatically. I'll actually be around on Wednesdays, so I'll be able to look over our claims and such. I don't know if this is an acceptable answer for you but it's what I am doing.
11holt
      ID: 587112719
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 18:04
kyle, I hate to be rude, but are you sure you have the time to commish this league? I'm not sure what schedule format you're using, but if it's not based on one of the rifc templates that is out there and if there are inconsistencies in the schedule you produce then you'll be giving people ulcers and could even open yourself up to claims that you're stacking the schedule so that your team takes advantage of other teams' bye week problems. not saying you are, but you open up a can of worms if the schedule is questionable.

also, I remember there being something screwy with the way waivers and claims operate in the aol/fanball system. I believe I had to go in and manually edit waiver priority so that it accurately reflected any claims that were made. this part of the system is so screwy that it might be worth having Guru write some kind of primer on the subject.
12holt
      ID: 587112719
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 18:07
judy, the claims get processed automatically, but you do have to oversee claims and waiver priority to make sure the proper order is maintained.
13Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 18:13
Sorry this scheduling debacle is taking so long. I am trying to use the e-mail Judy sent me that they are using for AA and put in the team names. This weekend was more hectic then I had planned it to be and today work was busier than normal. This schedule will be completed tonight even if I have to drink a pot of coffee to stay awake until 4 in the morning. I can post the schedule format I am using to prove that I am not trying to "stack" the schedule in my favor in the post after this. Wednesdays I have free so if something goes screwy with waivers I'll be able to sit and watch and fix the problems. I will clarify with the RIFC rules to make sure I am doing everything right with that and once I have the schedule complete I will post the waiver rules here and field questions you may have with the AOL setup vs. the RIFC rules. I hope this satisfies you for now and I hope you can rest assured that I will have this under my control. I understand the frustration as I also have not been able to set my lineup for the first weeks games.
14judy
      ID: 7771722
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 20:33
Kyle -- send them the Excel spreadsheet and tell them what
number team they are and they can figure it all out!
15TD
      Sustainer
      ID: 036331011
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 22:14
Kyle,

I appreciate the work your are doing as commish of this league. It is not a job that I have the time or desire to do.
16Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 02:08
Here's the schedule Judy gave me.
The numbers correspond to how you signed up for the AOL league.
1. Kyle
2. Electro
3. Promize
4. TD
5. Team 5 (Pancho Villa)
6. Valkarie
7. Team 7 (Twilson)
8. Building 7
9. wiggs
10. fugazi
11. No Remorse (Tree)
12. skeepers (boikin)
13. Frick
14. mjd

The schedule will be complete in about 10 minutes or so. Hopefully. But it will be done tonight.


TEAM 1A 1B 2A 2B 3A 3B 4A 4B 5A
1 13 8 7 2 10 5 14 11 9
2 3 14 5 1 4 12 6 9 7
3 2 9 8 14 7 13 5 6 4
4 5 11 6 10 2 14 12 8 3
5 4 10 2 9 8 1 3 7 11
6 7 12 4 11 13 9 2 3 8
7 6 13 1 12 3 10 8 5 2
8 14 1 3 13 5 11 7 4 6
9 10 3 11 5 12 6 13 2 1
10 9 5 14 4 1 7 11 13 12
11 12 4 9 6 14 8 10 1 5
12 11 6 13 7 9 2 4 14 10
13 1 7 12 8 6 3 9 10 14
14 8 2 10 3 11 4 1 12 13
TEAM 5B 6A 6B 7A 7B 8A 8B 9A 9B
1 6 12 4 3 5 6 14 8 7
2 10 8 11 13 12 10 6 14 5
3 11 10 12 1 13 11 5 9 8
4 13 7 1 9 14 13 12 11 6
5 12 6 13 14 1 12 3 10 2
6 1 5 14 10 9 1 2 12 4
7 14 4 9 11 10 14 8 13 1
8 9 2 10 12 11 9 7 1 3
9 8 14 7 4 6 8 13 3 11
10 2 3 8 6 7 2 11 5 14
11 3 13 2 7 8 3 10 4 9
12 5 1 3 8 2 5 4 6 13
13 4 11 5 2 3 4 9 7 12
14 7 9 6 5 4 7 1 2 10
TEAM 10A 10B 11A 11B 12A 12B 13A 13B
1 13 4 9 11 12 3 10 2
2 3 11 7 9 8 13 4 1
3 2 12 4 6 10 1 7 14
4 5 1 3 8 7 9 2 10
5 4 13 11 7 6 14 8 9
6 7 14 8 3 5 10 13 11
7 6 9 2 5 4 11 3 12
8 14 10 6 4 2 12 5 13
9 10 7 1 2 14 4 12 5
10 9 8 12 13 3 6 1 4
11 12 2 5 1 13 7 14 6
12 11 3 10 14 1 8 9 7
13 1 5 14 10 11 2 6 8
14 8 6 13 12 9 5 11 3
17Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 15:12
The schedule is complete, the rosters are complete, the post draft waivers have been complete. If someone sees anything wrong please let me know but I believe everything is done and ready for the season to start.

Also please double check the rules, I havn't gotten anyone's feedback and I really believe the scoring is right. There's so many different types of scoring that I confuse myself when trying to analyze it. Thanks you guys and good luck this week to everyone except Frick and Building 7! :)
18mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 22:01
Hey Kyle, It doesn't look like we're getting decimal scoring and we should be.

At the half, Peyton has 106 yds and a TD=8.24

Live Scoring only shows 8 points.

106yds x.04/yd + 4 (TD)= 8.24
19mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 23:29
AA is not getting decimal scoring either. Might be an AOL problem.
20fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 23:33
no return yards either.
21Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 23:58
Yah, the decimal scoring is (and was in place). That is probably an AOL glitch.

Return yards were set up but right now it's not even showing up as a category. I will e-mail AOL right now and ask about that... If they aren't going to do decimal scoring that will be a huge problem.
22Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 00:11
E-mail sent:

I am signed up as commissioner for a fantasy football team and we have a problem with the scoring. The Live Scoring is not showing our decimal scoring. We have it set for 2 decimal spots. I am sure this is just a glitch currently.

Also when I signed the league up for this year I also signed up I was able to put in Kick Return and Punt Return Yardage. When I look at the stats now there is no set up even available. This would significantly affect the value of many players such as Reggie Bush, Maurice Jones-Drew and Terrance McGee. If you can change this as soon as possible, that would be greatly appreciated.

We use AOL as our qualifying league for a major league, and we want to duplicate that league as close as possible. AOL has been for the past 2 years the best free fantasy site and our "parent" league uses a pay site. We would prefer to keep the qualifying leagues free and AOL has been able to do that for us. I am sure you would hate to lose 3 different leagues that are guaranteed leagues. Thank you for your past excellence and we hope for a speedy recovery from this problem.

Kyle Nelson
23judy
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 11:06
It seems to be fixed in AA except for Bush's return yardage.
24judy
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 13:06
Return yardage for Bush was added. All scores now appear to be
correct!

PHEW! Mini PANIC there...

Also. those of you who played in AA last year -- our league is still
active!!! Weykool is leading!
25mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 18:56
LOL. Small sample size after the first game of the first week.

Long way to go before crowning the champion.
26judy
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 19:03
mjd - we never shut down the 2006 league, so it is still gathering
points for us! That's what Weykool is leading!

Would be fun to find all the old managers and run it again with last
year's lineups plus any changes via the waiver wire (rookies, etc.)
27fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 19:42
Hope we can get the scoring straight before Sunday.
28holt@ fugazi's house
      ID: 3611111522
      Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 23:03
your league rules are riddled with errors. very very sloppy. easy enough to see if you reference
this.

- free agents can be picked up each week at 1 pm EST, not 12 pm
- free agents lock 5 minutes prior to their game, you have them locking at the first game of the week including thursdays and saturdays
-dropped players become available immediately, not 24 hrs after they are dropped
- you don't have ANY waiver rules set up
- Trade deadline is a day off.
- trades should be processed with commish approval (you have it set so that trades are processed immediately)
- the weekly trade lock time doesn't appear to match rifc rules
- Rankings tie-breakers don't matchup.
- team defenses get 3 points for a safety
- team defense points for yards allowed are all wrong (half as much as they should be)
- individual players get .04 pts per kickoff return yard (you have 'offensive players get 1 pt per 10 yds')
- individual players get .1 pt per punt return yd (you have 'Offensive Players and Team Defenses are not scored. 1 pt per 10 yds')
- fumble recoveries are 1 pt(you have it set for 2 points for all of the IDP positions)

there may be more errors. suggest someone else check it out.
30judy
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 23:45
If it gets fixed before Sunday, then it should be ok, but I suspect
that you will need to commish override the Thursday scores.
AOL states that they do not "backtrack".

I found a few errors (1/10 instead of 0.1/1 -- same
mathematical ratio, but different for scoring...) in AA and fixed
them last night so when AOL fixed their errors overnight, our
scores are now correct.

Also, for KO and P returns, "Individual" is the same as "offensive"
-- I checked that one with GURU a while back. Offensive is
anyone with the ball (except, of course, INT and FR.)
31Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 12:32
Scoring- the scoring posted in the live scoring is incorrectly calculating the points for WR's
On Twilson's team (whom I am playing) Harrison's
83 yards and 1 TD show as 6.1 points instead of
14.3 and Colston shows as .1.
Not sure what is wrong here but I sure hate the AOL format- wish I was back with Fanball.
Hope we can get this fixed pretty soon so we can follow the fates of our teams Sunday????
33mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 13:22
Just called Kyle. He's on it.

Kyle if you want me to recheck your settings, there's an option in AOL to share commish control. Give me temporary controls and I'll provide oversight if you want/need it.
34fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 13:26
Kyle if you don't have the time to fix the scoring? maybe you could give me or somebody else commish privileges so we can get this taken care of before tomorrow.
35Kyle @friends
      ID: 25151260
      Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 13:30
Yah I might do that. I am at on dial up right now and it's really slooooooooow. Rotoguru is even taking a while to load up.
36mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 14:01
I have commish control and will work on the AOL settings.

AOL is notoriously slow, even with my 5.0 high speed cable modum.
37mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 16:10
That took almost 2 hours, but everything should be good for tomorrow, If anyone sees any errors, please post here and I'll work on it again tonight.

I'm leaving to go watch some college football with some friends.

Kyle will make any manual over rides from Thursday's game on Monday.
38fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 19:39
Thanks guys... I know thats a pain. good luck all, this should be a great season.
39TD
      Sustainer
      ID: 036331011
      Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 22:21
Looks like there is still a problem with receiving yards and receiving TD's. Look at the points awarded for Marvin Harrison on TWilson's team. Rec: 4/83 TD: 1 (27) but only 6.1 fantasy points. This is obviously incorrect.
40mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 23:06
TD, Kyle will have to manually over ride the scores from Thursday. AOL does not rerun the stats already scored. He said he'd be able to do that Monday.

Anything after today should be correct.

However, I did not have time to recheck the entire schedule. I checked mine and it looks OK. I play every team twice.

I suggest everyone check their schedule and know what their Thursday scores should be.
41judy
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 23:30
FYI

I had all my managers check their schedules (same as the one you
are using) and they all reported it to be OK.
42Promize@Parents
      ID: 31841217
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 09:03
Looks like my schedule is right...

But if no decimals is the case, then I'll need some adjusting on my team.
43Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 10:36
My schedule looks good.

Does my 12 game regular season winning streak carry over?:)
44mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 14:14
Scoring is still wrong, but my settings look correct.

45Pancho Villa
      ID: 47161721
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 14:38
Scoring for me:


Andre Johnson - Rec: 3/96 TD: 1 (77) points 6.10

Uh, no.

46twilson
      ID: 33811122
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 15:18
The problem with the scoring for WRs is the receiving yardage rule. It says ".1 point for 1 receiving yard" instead of ".1 point for each 1 receiving yard." The scoring for passing yardage, IDP assists, and team defense sacks have an identical problem. The word each must be inserted in each rule.
47fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 15:27
can someone switch it now? may not have to adjust everything tomorrow if it gets changed quickly.
48fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 15:29
QB points need fixed as well.
49mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 15:51
Nice pickup, twilson. I just switched them.

I didn't notice the "each" missing in the passing and receiving stats, so I never changed any offense stats. Mainly I addressed the issues pointed out in post 28.

Somehow, Kyle got the "each" in the rushing stat, but not in the passing receiving stats.

What a thrash.
50fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 15:54
NICE! just closed and reopened live soring and its correct now. still have to adjust Thursday game though. thanks mjd.
51mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 16:00
My Thursday scores are now correct, also.
52Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 16:10
Hey guys, just got home and checked the league scoring, everything seems to be fine now, thank you MJD. Not quite sure how "each" made AOL's scoring crazy, but I now know. Thanks to Fugazi and Holt for catching those errors.

Now the only scoring errors I see are my opponents outscoring me :)

I agree fugazi this should be a great season.
53mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 16:16
Found another "each" missing in assisted tackles for IDPs.

Everyone go through and check your scores. They should be right, but you best check.
54Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 16:23
Typical RIFC performance by me. Took Hobbs because he was a starting DB and kick returner. Didn't start him today and he runs a 108 yard kick-off back. bah
55fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 16:24
fumble recovery should be 1 instead of 2
56twilson
      ID: 33811122
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 16:40
mjd, "each" needs to be added to the wording for team defense sacks. Fugazi is right about the IDP fumble recovery value as well.
57mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 16:53
Got em. Any More? I'm still looking.
58Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 17:00
I am also keeping an on things. mjd, I signed on to the league to fix those and you already jumped on it. According to the Live Scoring, the changes have all been taking affect.
59Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 18:05
Can you guys fix the refs in the Chargers vs Bears game who let the Bears go across the line before the snap? If I lose by a few points to MJD, man will I be pissed.
60Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 18:10
Yah, as a Nate Kaeding owner in another league I am not happy about that. Philip Rivers doesn't look too happy either. Credit the Bears D to stopping everyone except Gates.
61Pancho Villa
      ID: 47161721
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 18:45
All right. Grossman now needs to pass, pass, pass. I want to see some picks, picks, picks for my Charger D, and some sacks, sacks, sacks.
62mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 02:15
RBs for trade. Check your emails.
63Building 7
      Sustainer
      ID: 171572711
      Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 14:42
Looks like both of my games are going down to the Monday night games. It'll give me an excuse to watch them.
64Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 16:44
Wierd, AOL has given my 10 points for the 49ers, and they haven't even played yet.
65Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 17:16
Should have 20... (10 points for Shutout, 10 points for 0 yards allowed) Interesting that SF-ARI has 10 each and Balt-Cincy has 0.
66Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 18:21
Who has the Arizona D?
67Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 21:54
The free agent team.

PV, that is not fair that you have one of the best safeties in the league, in Ed Reed, but then you add in the fact that he's punt returning for an injured BJ Sams.
68 Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 10:44
I believe the waivers are set up correctly right now, but just in case I will be at my computer tomorrow just to watch over them. If you have a waiver claim send it over my way in order of how you want them. I'll make sure when the waivers go through that everything goes according to how you would have liked. Waivers go through at noon tomorrow.

Also I am going to produce a chart with how each team scored by position and average points and what not. I did this last year and this year I think instead of just a flat total I'll weight the total so if you are +3 per IDP you'll be +18, and if you are -3 for RB it'll be -6. Week 1 won't show too much, but when we get into Weeks 7, 8, 9 the trends will start to show.
69Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 19:09
Seems to me that there were a lot of high scores this week. Looking over other leagues, some got 190 points and above. Wow.
70judy
      ID: 7771722
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 23:43
same in AA -- scary...

Here were our top (combined - 2 games) scores for our 2 -0 teams:
384
311
310
300
282

71Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 23:52
Actually judy, what I think Electro was getting at was we had some low scores this week. Our high was 168. I want to think that it's the competitive balance in the league.
72holt
      ID: 587112719
      Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 00:45
waivers don't go through at noon tomorrow. claims do. waivers and claims are two totally separate systems. as long as the claims rules are set up properly then there shouldn't be any reason that everyone has to divulge their claims list. A big part of claims strategy revolves around the fact that all the claims lists are private and sealed.
73mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 03:30
The claims system is set up properly. I checked it on Sunday.

It will run Wednesday @ noon. FA pickups @ 1PM.
74Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 16:51
We're kind of quiet this week. Really busy or really apathetic?

PS: You are going down this week twilson and Electroman!
75Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 17:14
Funny Kyle, I kinda see it going differently.
76fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 19:38
My wife gave birth to a baby boy on Monday. so I have been busy going back and forth to the hospital.
77Tree
      ID: 88321216
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 19:53
congrats Fugazi! hope mother and baby are doing well!
78Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 19:55
Congrats! Better get a golf club, or a tennis racket, or a baseball, basketball, or football in his hands soon!
79Pancho Villa
      ID: 47161721
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 20:40
Nice going, Fugazi!

Your first?
80Building 7
      ID: 536342220
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 21:10
That's fantastic. Take a lot of pictures.
81Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 22:19
Congrats Fugazi.
82fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 22:28
Thanks guys... he was 6 weeks early so he wont be coming home for another week. he is perfectly healthy though. weighed 6 pounds so my wife is lucky she got him out now. lol... this is my third child. I also have daughter and son, Kathryn and Marshall. we named this one Miles. thanks again guys I will try to get some pictures up soon.
83mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 00:21
Congratulations
84wiggs
      ID: 6825712
      Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 08:14
congrats fugazi glad to hear all seems to be going well. You guys are out numbered now, good luck with that :)
85Pancho Villa
      ID: 47161721
      Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 15:52
Fugazi,
My daughter was 5 weeks early and weighed only 4 lbs 10 oz. She was so tiny. Now she's 12(almost a teen..gulp) and has played soccer, basketball, fast pitch softball, skis and snowboards and is generally an athletic tomboy type. I wouldn't worry much about being premature absent other complications.
86fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 14:31
UGH! I cant believe I talked myself into starting the Bengals D over the steelers.
87Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 15:09
Week 2 summaries going into Monday Night:

Twilson 156.46-- Kyle 148.74
With Portis and Santana Moss still to go it looks like I am set up for the win as Twilson is done. But I have learned not to count my chickens, and anything could happen. Jamal Lewis almost sunk me single handedly, but Minny's D is playing out of their mind, as I also got another good week from my IDP's.

Electro 146.46-- Pancho Villa 137.78
This game is basically over as Electro still has Takeo Spikes. Electro puts up some all-around solid numbers bolstered by the Brady to Moss connection.

Building 7 156.66-- Promize 107.50
Promize needs 50 points from Kevin Curtis. I'm not going to say it isn't going to happen, but...

Valkyrie 146.74-- TD 119.00
Reggie Brown, Mike Peterson+ 27 points vs. Eagles D and London Fletcher.
I like Valkyrie in this match up, with Palmer's 37 points and the Pats D spying their way to 22 points.

No Remorse(Tree) 165.94-- Wiggs 154.46
It's hard for Kickers and IDP's to score negative points so with Dawkins and Akers going for Tree, this game is a lock.

mjd 123.88-- Fugazi 103.56
Gaither+20 vs. McIntosh
Unless McIntosh throws, runs, and catches a TD this game is almost over. It's tough to win when you go against Peyton, Housh and the Bears, and it's compounded when your highest scorer is an IDP.

skeepers(boikin) 123.96-- Frick 61.04
This is the most intriguing matchup. 60 points down with 5 key players to go. I pulled up the site I use for Rotohog to analyze player preformances to figure out how much Frick could score. I have Frick losing by 10, but this give a very conservative score for McNabb. I'll be watching Monday night for my 2 games, but if I were Frick or skeepers I'd be watching with a lot of hope.

Electro 153.96-- Kyle 148.74
Spikes+ 5 vs. Portis and Santana Moss
I would really hope these 2 can outscore Spikes by 6, but I am not looking positively. What hangs in the balance? a 15 game (including game one this week) regular season winning streak for Electro. I'm going to check with Guru, but I'd be willing to bet that this is the longest streak.

mjd 123.88-- Promize 107.50
If Kevin Curtis scores the 50 Promize needs for Game One, then mjd doesn't stand a chance. Odds are in mjd's favor to go 2-0

TD 119.00-- Fugazi 103.56
Fletcher and Eagles+ 16 vs. McIntosh
It really doesn't seem like there's much hope in this game either.

Wiggs 154.46-- Pancho Villa 137.78
This game is officially in the books.

No Remorse(Tree) 165.94--Valkyrie 146.74
Akers and Dawkins+ 19 vs. Reggie Brown and Mike Patterson
This looks like a win for Tree, but 19 points can be made up by a WR and DL. Looks more towards Tree.

Twilson 156.46--skeepers(boikin) 123.96
Trent Cole and Marcus Washington vs 22 points.
Interesting match up. I like boikin, and if that is the case. This would be a tough week for Twilson.

Building 7 156.66-- Frick 61.04
As I said in Frick's first match up 5 players going tonight. They'd have to average a little over 19 points, so the possibility for a win is very slim in this matchup. A shootout like Cle-Cin could change the complexion of this match up.
88Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 16:24
I really hope that Spikes has a good night. Portis seems to run all over the Eagles, so it is looking good for you Kyle.
89mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 19:10
I have Curtis in another league and I need about a 50 point night from him to win my game in that league.
90Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 22:20
Well Kyle, a 3.28 lead at half time. I don't expect Spikes to get more points than Portis and Moss in the second half. Hey, but stranger things have happened.
91judy
      ID: 7771722
      Tue, Sep 18, 2007, 12:25
Anyone else having trouble with AOL today? It is still down -- for
"regular maintenance".
92Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Sep 18, 2007, 12:38
yea. all morning.
93Letter_J
      ID: 353551013
      Tue, Sep 18, 2007, 13:16
AOL's up now...
94Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Sep 18, 2007, 16:16
Frick, mjd and fugazi:
Not to put the anal in analysis but could you guys delete your posts in the RIFC AAA #2 Charts Thread? I would like to keep that as only the charts and this thread can be for discussion of those charts and the league in general. Thanks!

Also, speaking of the charts, the updated charts are in the thread. The newest charts include weeks 1 and 2 and are now arranged in highest to lowest points! Now, lets not change the order of points scored because I have to change the order by hand. It messes up the formulas when I sort from highest to lowest. Silly Excel (my all time favorite Office program)
95fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Sun, Sep 23, 2007, 14:31
what are the waiver wire rules? are players supposed to go through waivers after they are cut?
96Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Sun, Sep 23, 2007, 17:15
According to the RIFC rules listed here they are available immediately.
From the rules:
Dropped Player (when a dropped player becomes available for pickup)
During the preseason, dropped player becomes available: Immediately
During the regular season, dropped player becomes available: Immediately
97mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Sep 23, 2007, 20:01
I specifically asked Guru this question last year as AA commish. It's post 386 in this thread.
98holt
      ID: 587112719
      Sun, Sep 23, 2007, 20:13
Players go on waivers for 48 hrs after being dropped. They shouldn't be available to be picked up. The part that Kyle posted is what causes some confusion. I think the available immediately part is there just to make it so that the 48 hr waiver period begins immediately (you'd have to ask guru for an exact explanation).

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 14:13

After the season starts, waivers are applicable. When a player is dropped, he goes on waivers for 48 hours. At the end of the waiver period, if he is not claimed, he is technically "dropped" again from waivers to the free agent pool. If we kept the 48 hour period for free agents, there would be a 48 hour lag between the time a player cleared waivers and when he was available to be picked up.


This is what the rifc waiver rules look like:

Waivers
Requests made for players on the waiver wire are awarded to the highest ranking team. Team rankings are established each Tuesday morning. Your league is set to rank teams using the following criteria:

First Criteria: Worst to First, Win % (Season)
Second Criteria: Worst to First, Points Scored (Season)
Third Criteria: Worst to First, Points Scored (Last Week)
Fourth Criteria: Virtual Coin Toss

Teams are moved to the end of the ranking order when they are awarded a player.

Teams can add umlimited player(s) per week using the waiver wire system.

Players will immediately go to the waiver wire for 48 hours after player has been dropped.

If a player's waiver processing date/time is set to occur after the player's game for the week has started, the league is set to: Player becomes a Free Agent next week Tuesday at Noon EST.

99holt
      ID: 587112719
      Sun, Sep 23, 2007, 20:16
Btw, if it were actually possible to pick up players immediately when they were dropped, then two managers could circumvent Commish trade approval by just dropping and signing each other players. But that's just one of several reasons that the waiver rule exists.
100Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Sun, Sep 23, 2007, 20:27
I guess I was confused by that ruling. It's kind of like one rule negates the others...
It's now changed. I am also looking at the transaction log and not seeing anyone who would have been picked up illegally, so there's no one who was able to take advantage of anything.
101Tree
      ID: 40833245
      Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 06:35
overnight scoring adjustments - bah! :o)

when i went to bed, i had a .30 lead over MJD, but was pretty sure some overnight adjustment would cost me my perfect season.

sure enough - it took a week high of over 160 for MJD to beat me.
102mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 14:03
I wish I scored 160(:

I'm just happy to finally put up a decent score, even with my bench warming QB and D outscoring the first stringers.

TD needs less than 5 points from Bush tonight, so it looks like a split for me.
103Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 17:20
I wish I scored 160(:

you had 160 this morning. i was beating you when i went to bed, you had 160+ this morning, and now, you're less. odd.
104Tree
      ID: 308142418
      Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 19:43
i've got a mess of starting Running Backs. and with Steven Jackson going on, i've got even more since i have Brian Leonard.

i'm looking for a top notch WR. Leonard is on the block, as is LaMont Jordan. i am willing to do a package too so you get a WR - probably isaac bruce - back...
105boikin
      ID: 59831214
      Tue, Sep 25, 2007, 15:21
My whole team is on the block, i will be taking offers on anyone and packages of anyone....
106Kyle@library
      ID: 108432815
      Fri, Sep 28, 2007, 17:29
Sorry for not getting the charts up this week. It might be a couple weeks until they are back since my laptop decided to crap out on me...

To keep you faithfuls entertained: This is a link referencing Joseph Addai's TD leap last week. As a huge Colts fan this warmed my heart. It also is historically funny. (The caption that went with it is Addai brings down Communism.)
107I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Fri, Sep 28, 2007, 20:06
After reading posts 87, and 89... you guyz happened to have insider info about Kevin Curtis going to blow up? Your prediction was only about one week early. :)
108Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Sep 30, 2007, 09:23
I like my chances this week. Even though it seems that I will have only one real option at RB this week.
109Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Sep 30, 2007, 19:31
Looks like I have one win, and a 50 point lead in the other game(before adjustments). I like my chances with basically my two best players going tommorow night.

110mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Sep 30, 2007, 21:22
Is everyone paying attention in this league?

Just did a browse around the lineups and I see a manager with 2 LBs on a bye in his lineup and an LB on his bench scoring 15.50 points.

I hope that this was some sort of oversight or something.
111Tree
      ID: 468203016
      Sun, Sep 30, 2007, 22:46
never mind that, you got injured RBs starting, TEs on bye weeks starting, etc etc
113Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Sep 30, 2007, 22:55
One player has 18 or so more points than his bench.
114mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Sep 30, 2007, 23:16
Sorry excuse for a AAA league.
115mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Sep 30, 2007, 23:53
I can see leaving points on the bench, as I seem to do it every week by starting the wrong player. But having bye week players and injured RBs on rosters is inexcusable. What is this, a free Yahoo league?

Yeah, Westbrook is questionable every week and has always played. At least his game time decision was too late to do anything about, but Ahman Green has been out all week.

As for the TE in the lineup on a bye. Are those IDPs on the bench too valuable to trade for a bye week replacement at TE? We see how close some of these games can be. Every point counts.

I hope these managers don't plan on moving up or even playing next year.

Just brutal.
116Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 09:54
Yeah, I started Westbrook, he's on the injury report every freakin week, what's new.

As for the TE, I went through my line-up and missed it.
117Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 14:21
Sometimes it's tough to get a game time decision like Westbrook out of your lineup on Sunday. I missed getting Boldin out in one of my leagues, so I understand that. As for Ahman, that's kinda tough to excuse.
Missing the TE on bye can be understood, it's a little easier to understand if it's a WR, or IDP since there's more than one of those, but the points 1 TE adds is like 4-6 points. So Frick, if you miss the playoffs by less than 12 points, ouch.
118Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 16:44
The way my season is going I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be missing the play-offs by 12 points. 120 points, maybe.

I also didn't have the luxury of watching all of the pre-game shows and injury reports. I had 15 minutes Sunday morning around 10AM to set all of my line-ups. I was away from my connection most of the day. It's one of the handicaps that I have, spending time with my family takes priority. Should I have found a bye-week TE, absolutely, but I'm not going to worry about it at this point. And honestly my team has enough other issues to worry about. Did my bench end up outscoring my starters? I looked at the live scoring at one point and it was fairly close. To bad I stated McNabb ahead of Culpepper, what was I thinking.
119Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 21:39
It is an interesting game that I have left. Valkyrie has Palmer and the Pats D playing. But when Palmer throws a TD, it is like taking 2 steps forward, and one back.
120judy
      ID: 7771722
      Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 23:00
How come Vrabel isn't getting his 6 points for the TD?

I started Westbrook AND McNabb and left L Washington the
bench
(14+). If I had known the truth about the medical aspect of
Westbrook's injury there is no way I would have started him. He
should have been listed as D, but I guess that is Reid's way of
"foolin' the Jints." Sure worked great... I can't believe they didn't
bring someone else in (RB or TE) to help their young Tackle to
double team against Osi.

I am beginning to believe that Andy Reid is a lousy gametime
coach.
121Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Tue, Oct 02, 2007, 08:54
IIRC defensive player's offensive TD's don't normally show up until the next day. I don't think their feeds automatically catch the points and they have to be added back in manually.

122Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Oct 02, 2007, 12:50
I'll imput Vrabel's TD around 3pm est.
Work is backing me up.
And sorry for the lack of the charts, my laptop is on the fritz right now and that has my spreadsheet. When that is back up then I will be able to pump those out again.
I havn't looked yet, but I suspect I am 0-2 here and 0for with my other leagues. BAD WEEK...
123Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Oct 02, 2007, 13:49
i'm looking to acquire a WR. i've got a few guys on the block, most notably Brian Leonard...if you need a RB, he's got a solid chance to play quite a bit with the way Jackson is ailing...
124Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 16:02
Hey Kyle, I have a question concerning the WW. Are we using this rule?

Following the first 6 weeks of the season, the priorities will reset weekly based on the reverse of W/L percentage. After that, priorities will not be reset. Throughout the season, when a player is claimed (either via "free agent priority claim" or a waiver claim), the claiming team moves to the end of the claiming priority list.

Because in AOL here is what is written:

Teams are moved to the end of the ranking order when they are awarded a player.

Just wondering.

125Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 16:09
I just read both again. It says the same thing right. If you get a player through a WW claim, you go to the back of the line.

If you put in a claim to get a player Wed. at noon, would you keep the same priority? Shouldn't you go to the end?
126Letter_J
      ID: 353551013
      Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 16:13
Not until after week 6 does the waiver wire reset. Until then, it's W-L that determines the order.
127Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 16:28
Throughout the season, when a player is claimed (either via "free agent priority claim" or a waiver claim), the claiming team moves to the end of the claiming priority list.

This is the part that I think there is a problem with. I will explain why I ask. I put in a "free agent priority claim" on Tuesday for Michael Jenkins, But Twilson got him. Later in the week, I put a WW claim in for Sammy Morris, and Twilson got him again.
128Letter_J
      ID: 353551013
      Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 16:34
Following the first 6 weeks of the season, the priorities will reset weekly based on the reverse of W/L percentage. After that, priorities will not be reset.

I believe it should thereafter read: following the first six weeks of the season, when a player is claimed (either via "free agent priority claim" or a waiver claim), the claiming team moves to the end of the claiming priority list.

129Letter_J
      ID: 353551013
      Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 16:36
That's how I always understood the rules of this league.
130Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 16:50
There has been an error made somewhere. Because, if it is how it is written, then Twilson should not have gotten Morris.
131Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 16:53
BTW, I checked, and I did not receive any players that were on waivers. The players I picked up were FA.

132Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 19:54
I am going to check with Guru on this one.
What twilson did was get Jenkins and Coleman off of the F/A priority. He then got Morris off of waivers later in the week. I thought the F/A Claims and waivers would be separate lists and your F/A priority wouldn't affect you waiver ranking. I will ask and we will get this resolved before this weeks games are started, so you can make the appropriate moves.
133judy
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 23:10
After the claims are made the commish has to manually reset the
order worst to first for the waiver wire, but it is a new order
because after each claim is awarded the claimee goes to the end of
the WW list.

After week 6, there is no resetting after you get a claim. It just
goes worst to first for the WW.
134holt
      ID: 587112719
      Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 07:54
commish has to manually adjust waiver priority each week based on any claims that were made. electroman should have been ahead of twilson in waiver priority after claims went through.

After week 6, there is no resetting after you get a claim. It just
goes worst to first for the WW.


that's totally incorrect. waiver/claim priority gets adjusted one final time based on w/l record after week 6. then, each time you make a claim or waiver pickup you go to the back of the line (and it's up to the commish to monitor those two priority lists and make sure they are accurate and match each other. claims and waivers are separate systems (who knows why), but they are really the same thing. if you make a claim, you go to the end of the waiver list. if you pick up a player on waivers then you go to the end of the claims list (the exception being that following weeks 1-6 the priority is reset based on w/l record every week).

hope that makes sense. it's not really that difficult of a system to understand. just keep in mind that claims and waivers are actually the same thing, and it's the duty of the commish to make sure there is no discrepancy between the two.
135Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 09:42
I went over the claims that were made and this is what the orders would have been:

Wed. Noon./ After FA priority claim
1. Wiggs 1. Frick
2. Promize 2. Valkyrie
3. Frick 3. Building 7
4. Valkyrie 4. Boikin
5. Building 7 5. Kyle
6. Fugazi 6. Electroman
7. Twilson 7. Tree
8. Boikin 8. Wiggs
9. TD 9. Promize
10.MJD 10.Fugazi
11.Kyle 11.Twilson
12.PV 12.TD
13.Electroman 13.MJD
14.Tree 14.PV
136Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 13:02
Now that we have the answer I will go in and change the rosters for Electroman and Twilson.

Electroman, who did you set up to drop for Morris?

Twilson, who would you like instead of Morris?
137Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 14:13
It was Mewelde Moore. But, did anyone else have a claim for him before me. I beleive that it was you and Boikin that had priority.
138mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 14:20
I thought I dropped Chattman in my waver claim or at least I meant too. Just saw Morris floating out there and realized the wrong guy got dropped.

Why would I drop Morris after that Monday night game.
139Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 15:46
What is going on? Why does MJD have Morris?
140holt
      ID: 587112719
      Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 18:23
guru gave an answer in the rifc thread. they fixed it this year so that claims and waivers are synchronized if they are set up properly (awesome!). might want to ask him for further detail on how they are to be set up properly.
141Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 18:42
We seem to have another problem. MJD dropped him(Morris) when he wanted to drop someone else. What do we do then? Does he get him back, or is it sorry, be more careful next time?
142holt
      ID: 587112719
      Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 18:54
some bizarre stuff going on in this league.
143Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 18:58
I just wish that I wasn't involved in the bizarre stuff.
145mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 19:38
Nothing b8zzare going on. I messed up. Too bad, I'll pay better attention next time.

Chattman back on my roster. Morris goes to Electro?

If not, to who? I'll fix it now.
146mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 20:08
Apologies to the league. I know better than to try to pull that crap.

I surely was not paying attention or thinking straight. Disbelief on my part for a screw up.

Thought that the Kyle would grab the bull by the horns and fix this.

I did use the commish controls for the first time since the week 1 scoring situation to make this right.
147Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 22:10
Sorry guys, just got back and was going to see if MJD was going to explain what he did, but it seems he's fixed his mistake/problem. It seems as if all is normal in the league now. Yes?
148mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 12:35
Kyle, Santana Moss is out.

Did a quick scan of rosters and everything else looks good.
149mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 12:41
Frick has Westbrook in. He's on a bye.
150mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 12:43
Westy fixed
151Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 14:14
Yah I was hoping there'd be a definite report before I went to church. It was too late when I got home, so I'll have to eat the 0
152Tree
      ID: 53912711
      Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 22:33
on Trading...

hey folks - a league is only as strong as its managers, and the communication between managers.

i threw out several trade offers this week. most were rejected, and most of the rejections had at least some reason.

but two of you couldn't even bother to reject the trade, which is frustrating, because i'm sitting there waiting.

when you get a trade offer, how about taking two minutes to review it, and accept or reject, and maybe, if you've got an extra 30 seconds, explain why?
153mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 00:17
Those trade offers should be at least looked at. A solid offer like that is way better than the usual "I got and extra RB and looking for a QB upgrade, shoot me an offer" general message board offer. At least the person making the specific offer has made an effort.

On another note, my game with twilson turned out to be a interesting matchup. He had the GB D, I had the Bears D. He got a monster game from Lance Briggs. My James Jones had 2 fumbles which washed out 2 of thethe Bears FRs. I expect a stat update in favor of the Bears D. At this point, the Bears only got credit for 3 of 5 turnovers. I believe they are owed 1 Int and 1 fumble. There may be others that I'm not aware of, but that was a fun back and forth contest.

We both still have player(s) tomorrow, so nothing is settled.
154mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 02:28
Offering a #1 RB, Willie Parker, for a #1 WR.

DeShaun Foster, #2 RB for a #2 WR.

I'll make some specific trade offers later this week to some teams. Watch the website for offers.
155Tree
      ID: 093984
      Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 06:40
i'm in the same boat. i've got some solid RBs, and i'm looking for a solid WR. this was the basis of all the offers i made, and some people tried to negotiate, but i wasn't interested.

i do appreciate the people who responded, and even countered. it was just frustrating to see offers going all week with no response...
156Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 07:36
Yeah, the Bears D is short changed a couple of turnovers. And one of fumbles was Woodson, and counting the points up, they haven't subtracted it from his total. That being said, a 100 yrd game and a TD would be most welcome this evening from TO.
157 Building 7
      Sustainer
      ID: 171572711
      Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 17:44
I'm losing a RB per week. I can trade T. Glenn (WR)on dallas for a 2nd string RB. He'll be out another 3 or 4 weeks though. I can't deal with that AOL site though, send me an email.
158fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 22:05
IDP'S dont lose points for fumbles.
159Building 7
      ID: 536342220
      Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 22:09
mjd: New trade offers sent.
160Tree
      ID: 9920820
      Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 22:22
an RB2 for a WR3 that isn't even going to play for a few more weeks in a best case scenario???

how does that work???
161twilson
      ID: 192132814
      Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 00:01
Boy, was that an exciting game tonight! I'm not sure I've ever had more fun following my fantasy team. I almost pulled out the huge upset, but fell three points short. Congratulations Electroman on the win! I only wish the Cowboys had lost.
162mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 00:11
WOW, what a fun game to watch.

I'll have to settle for a split. Twilson with yet another monster game from an IDP. I figured that might happen.

Building 7, it looks like we have a deal, but you'll have to go to the AOL site to accept it.
163Building 7
      Sustainer
      ID: 171572711
      Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 09:27
mjd: trade accepted at AOL now.
164Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 09:44
the last few games gave me the split.

Wiggs - are you around? i made you a trade offer last week that went unresponded to, and i have another out to you now.
165mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 11:20
Trade Announcement

mjd's It's up, it's gooood!!! has traded:
RB Michael Turner, SD


And received from Building 7:
WR Nate Burleson, SEA
166Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 16:01
I thought the game was a lock, was really surprised to see you just over 2 points behind. Was disappointed that TO had another low week. All my WR were low.

Look forward to playing Tree. Would like to take this game, because our second game is week 10, when Brady and Moss are on a bye. If we both continue to stay near the top, this is a big week for me.

Looking at a couple of players on opposite trends. PV looks good, with 6 wins in a row. Kyle, what happened? 5 straight losses. It is still early. But nobody is out of it yet. Last year I was 4-12 after 8 weeks. Made it to the playoffs.
167fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 17:04
I'm looking to trade for a WR. I have W Dunn, K Watson and C Buckhalter to offer.
168Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 17:50
OH man. I have to hope that my season has hit its low point this week.
169Tree
      ID: 51940917
      Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 19:41
that may happen, because i think this is a big bye week for me - i'm missing a couple of RBs...

and i am in the market for a WR...
170Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 22:23
Well, LT2 finally had a week worthy of a first overall pick.
171mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 23:20
I'm trying to figure out if wiggs bailed on us, or was it strategy to not start a QB.
172Tree
      ID: 249501420
      Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 23:59
looks like i'm going to have my first 0-2 week. ugh...
173Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 15:53
It actually worked out for him, he would have gotten negative points with his QB.
174Building 7
      Sustainer
      ID: 171572711
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 17:24
I predict Fugazi will pass me with 9:10 left in the 3rd quarter. And not look back. I hope I'm wrong, though.
175Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 18:14
If I win this week it will be my IDP and NOT my WR and definitely not Santana Moss. 1-1 will feel good.
176fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 20:17
I Wish I would have left my QB slot empty. Speaking of QB'S I would really like to trade for one. If anybody has one for trade please send an offer.
177 mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 20:45
fugazi, offer sent
178Tree
      ID: 219471516
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 21:01
same here...
179Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 21:17
Valkrie has 5 players tonight..and they're scoring! My lead is cut in half in the first quarter.
180mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 21:23
I see a couple of teams that could use a QB. Cleo Lemon is the Fins QB as it looks like Trent Green is calling it a career while he still knows his name.

Cleo had a monster game this week and if I'd had played him, I'd have a pretty good shot at going 2-0 this week.

I certainly don't expect those lofty numbers every week, but he should be serviceable.

Asking for a top tier IDP, preferably a LB.
181Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 23:28
Come on Giants. I need a 3 and out and then a Pierce tackle or pass defensed. Please?
182Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:41
after this off week that just saw my team killed bye injuries and byes, i'm realizing that while i have the third highest point total in the league, i have allowed far and away the most points in the league.

Electro and PV, the two teams ahead of me, have allowed 140 points LESS than me. in fact, of the top 8 teams, only one team is even with 100 points of allowing what i have.

oy!
183Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:51
My team is awful this year, but last year I came within about 25 points of sneaking into the play-offs with a very sub-500 record. The last spot or two is determined by points scored.

But I at least went 1-1 for a change. My goal this year is to hold on to a AAA spot for next year at this point.
184Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 13:42
I can't even get to our league- all I get is some AOL page wanting me to sign in- I don't do AOL ???
anyone else having this problem?
185Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 14:29
i've got several trade offers out there.

anyone interested, i'm looking to move a RB for a WR.
186Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 14:47
Can they be injured? I only have 3 healthy WRs so I'm assuming you haven't sent me an offer Tree?

Do you get an e-mail when you receive a trade offer?
187Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 18:13
No Remorse Corps(tree) has approved a trade with Electro's Eagles on Wed 10/17 5:44p ET.


Electro's Eagles has traded:
WR Roddy White, ATL


And received from No Remorse Corps(tree):
RB Kenny Watson, CIN
188Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 13:57
Kyle- a mid-season chart update would really be appreciated???
189Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 14:01
Derek Anderson 18+ avg available for a top WR.
190Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 14:59
Valkyrie, I'll have one after this week.

mjd, I am going out of town this weekend can you watch and make sure the league continues to run smoothly. If not I can give someone commish powers for the week.
191mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 17:40
Got you covered, Kyle.
192Electroman@Bro.inlaw
      ID: 219412115
      Sun, Oct 21, 2007, 17:42
I am happy to see that the trade seems to be working out in the first week for both of us Tree.
193Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Sun, Oct 21, 2007, 20:38
I'm back home. And I noticed I left last weeks lineup in. Definitely cost me one game. This is not my year. I have to hope to stay in AAA now with the year I am having. Anything can happen but when I leave 20+ points on the bench due to not checking I don't deserve to advance...
194mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 00:52
Huge week for my team sweeping both games from 2 of the top tier teams.

Meanwhile, Electro looking pretty stout with Brady and Moss. Not to mention TO and LT. I didn't realize how strong his draft was. Definitely the best in class to this point.
195Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 17:33
LT was on a bye.
196Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 17:38
mjd,

Was it really necessary to wait until 4 minutes left in the game to execute the Manning to Clark TD(you had them both) that put you over the top?

I was just about to put that one in the "W" column for me.

197Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 19:01
Sorry, just read it again in the context, I understand what you mean.
198mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 19:12
PV, I was waiting the entire game for that play to happen:o)
199Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 19:44
I just noticed I have an opportunity for vengence this week in the 101 league. Beware, mjd!!
200mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 02:26
Maybe Lord Favre can bail me out again on MNF.

Except I have none of his receivers.
202mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 12:20
2 huge IDP scorers this week and neither impacted our games.

Antonio Cromartie-fumble recovery in the end zone, for 1 TD, 2 Int, 1 returned for a TD. Even with this week's stats he's only averaging less than 6 points per game.

Mike Vrabel-rode pine for Valkyrie's team. Could have used him vs Electro. 11 tackles, 2 assists, 3 sacks, 3 forced fumbles and a 2 yard TD catch. AOL scored it 27.12, and that's without credit for the TD.
203Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 12:35
Yeah, that's a real shame;)
204Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 17:52
Especially when you lose by 3 points LOL
on the other hand he had only 6.5 points total the last 3 games and did not deserve to start. What hurt more was flaming Rudi Johnson sitting again with Ward while Norwood was on bye- totally negated my starting Anderson over Carson Palmer to get to the position of losing by 3 LOL.
205mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 18:20
I'm continuously getting burned by leaving points on my bench.
206mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 18:26
Starting Anderson was a gutsy move, but the correct one, as the Bungles O is not who we thought they were.
207Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 18:31
I really hope that Fugazi gets under 31.04 points. If he beats me, that would be 2 wins for him against me.

I just noticed MJD that you are right up there in the standings, and it looks like you are going to go 2-0 this week. Really tight at the top, should be fun going down the stretch.
208mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 19:34
I'm looking forward to what comes next.

This is by far my best RIFC team, ever.

209mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 19:41
Fugazzi is also 9-5. Both his games swing in the ballance, tonight.
210mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 19:44
He's got 4 players going and Selvin Young gets the start for the injured Travis Henry.
211Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 20:04
Well, that sucks. I thought that Henry was starting, I expect a loss now. 12-4 ain't so bad.
212mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 20:39
The Packers D is pretty tough. Should be a pretty good game.
213fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 22:13
My IDP'S are killing me this week. Cmon Cutler!
214mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 23:20
Well, fugazi dinks and dunks his way with Cutler and Young past Electro. Might as well take Tree down, too.

Chinese water torture.
215Tree
      ID: 339292921
      Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 23:30
damnit...
216fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 23:49
OH YEAH!!!!!!!!!!
217Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Tue, Oct 30, 2007, 10:44
AOL live scoring has Skeepers eeking out a win, but the scoring update has yet to credit me with Atari Bigby's 7 tackles, which puts me over the top.
When does AOL update their system?
218twilson
      ID: 192132814
      Tue, Oct 30, 2007, 13:11
Brutal matchups this last week for me, outscoring all but three teams and facing two of those three. And in Football Pickoff, if I had had 5 more minutes during pregame, I would've had an almost perfect week, getting all the games right and doubling the third best option. I'll take going 11 for 13 though.

This week should be interesting, with pretty much all matchups coming within tiers. The standings should look a lot more linear when it's all said and done. I'm curious to see how it all shakes out.
219Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Oct 30, 2007, 14:05
knock on wood, but i definitely have the benefit of the schedule this week.

remarkably, only 5 teams in our league are over .500. also, the only teams to have 2100 or more points.

Electro's Eagles 12-4
No Remorse Corps 11-5
mjd's It's up, it's gooood 11-5
FUGAZI FUNDAMENTALS 11-5
PV Blasters 10-6

Electro gets MJD and PV this week.
MJD gets Electro and Fugazi this week.
Fugazi gets MJD and PV this week.
PV gets Fugazi and Electro this week.

my team - NRC - gets 7-9 TD and 5-11 Wiggs.

definitely going to be a very interesting week at the top, with four of the top five going at each other round-robin style.

220Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Tue, Oct 30, 2007, 15:47
Young starting for Fugazi won him the two games. Sometimes things work out for us in FF, sometimes you are watching a game and see the ticker of the Chargers scoring like crazy, only to see that LT has nothing to do with it.
221judy
      ID: 7771722
      Tue, Oct 30, 2007, 22:12
RE #217 I have Bigby in AA and they never update him until
Tuesday late morning. By the way he had 6 points - 5 T and 2 A.
Don't know why but it's been three weeks in a row that way...
222Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Wed, Oct 31, 2007, 17:12
****** TRADE ACCEPTED*******
FUGAZI FUNDAMENTALS is offering:
TE Donald Lee, GB
LB Adalius D. Thomas, NE


To receive from Kyle's Fussballers:
LB Shawne Merriman, SD

*******************************

The 24 hour clock will start now. Trade will be processed at 5:15 EST tomorrow.
223mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 15:49
Live scoring not accurate.
224mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 16:00
Working now
225mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 18:43
Gotta love the 2 extra points when the QB runs it in instead of passing.
226Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 23:22
Another lackluster performance. I thought we were supposed to draft losers in this league not guys who score a lot of points.
227Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 16:22
There is a fumble that Manning had that does not seem to be scored in the scoring.
228mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 17:40
He only lost one. A Colts O lineman recovered the second one and the Colts retained possession.
229mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 17:46
What'a a matter, Electro? Twenty point lead not enough? o)

I'll concede nothing, but I think that you're safe in our game.
230Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 20:06
I like to crush you all like bugs:)
231mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 21:26
I'm crushed.

Between the weather and the inept Ravens offense, the Steelers D might score 100.
232mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 14:01
Escaped with a split. I'll take it.

Trade deadline Friday 11:30 PM ET.
233Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 14:40
1 vs. 2 this week.

and Brady and Moss on a bye...
234Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 15:39
Yeah, I am not expecting much this week. I am going in with the mindset that I am losing two. But, who knows. I got you the first time with you in a big bye week, you should return the favor.
235Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 15:42
Must also give some congrats to Fugazi, you had a 10 game win streak, very impressive. You kept in going through the bye weeks. You should be tough the rest of the way.
236mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 17:58
That was an impressive streak. Early on last night, I was certain that I'd be #11.
237Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 18:19
If people were wondering like I was, the trade deadline is Friday 11:30 pm est.
238fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 18:45
Thanks Electro... Stupid Cutler! What a wuss. lol. I'm looking to trade Brandon Marshall or Hines Ward for a good QB. Note the word good.
239 Valkyrie
      ID: 381022712
      Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 14:06
Fugazi- If you want a "good" QB (esp in a hurry with Cutler injured/impaired) you need to offer more than your 4th WR (and Cutler's target) or even Ward whose QB is also hurt/impaired.
240fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 14:25
Valkarie- why is he my 4th wr? does that make carson palmer your 2nd qb? I get so sick of people trying to rip me off on trades. are you upset that i declined your trade? plaxico and marshall for either of you qb's is a joke.
241Valkyrie
      ID: 381022712
      Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 14:57
Fugazi- NP look elsewhere- I called him your 4th because you had him benched this week (probably due to Cutler's injury) but whether he or Ward are 3-4 or 4-3 it doesn't matter to me.
You won't get either Anderson or Palmer for one or even both of them- if that's trying to rip you off I am sorry- to me Marshall alone (even if Cutler were healthy) for either of them is trying to rip me off LOL.
top tier QB's are worth more than a top tier WR
much less second echelon guys even if the team wanting to acquire the QB had a healthy QB to play or trade back.
242Tree
      ID: 35108118
      Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 18:42
man. everytime my QB (Romo) throws a TD pass to jis WR (Owens), Electro gains ground on me.
243mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 20:29
Darren Sproles, of all people, just stuck a fork in my game with Building 7.
244Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 20:38
I am surprised that I am in the two games with 4.82 points combined coming from my QB and one of my RB's.
245mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 20:53
Something screwy may be going on. I started 2 different lineups today. At about 8 PM, I heard that D.Clark was inactive and I inserted Utecht as his replacement into my lineups and checked the "Update starting lineup for both games" box. Later, I refreshed live scoring and now my lineups are exactly the same. It's like my lineups never froze at the various game times. Hopefully this is just a temporary glitch and it's all corrected tomorrow.

I started McDonald, Bears D, and IDP Henry in one game and Burleson, Titans D, and IDP Hayden in the other.
246mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 20:55
Not that it will matter much, between Manning's INTs and Darren freaking Sproles.
247Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 22:08
Sproles and the Chargers' D have put me back in the game, at least for now, against TD.

But it's unlikely Manning will be kept down in the 2nd half.
248Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 22:20
But it's unlikely Manning will be kept down in the 2nd half.

I guess you spoke too soon...

As a Colts fan this really hurts.
249Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 22:59
Why don't they just put Colts uni's on the refs?
250mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 22:59
Re:245 I had my original lineups set with McDonald, Titans D and A.Henry against Building 7. And Burleson, Bears D, and Hayden against Valkerie. It may not make any difference in the outcome of the games, but it will alter my total points for tiebreakers and such.

Hopefully it's corrected tomorrow.
251Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 23:28
As a Colts fan this really hurts.

As a Charger fan, it hurts more.
252Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 23:41
Well, the world is back to normal. The Colts choke in a big game. Man that was a wierd year.:)
253Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 23:41
#251 posted before Vinateri's miss.

Oh ye of no faith!!
254Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 00:09
I have no words for that game. 6 picks, 2 missed FGs, at least 7 starters out at some point.
Sigh...
255Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 10:16
Well, looking over what has transpired yesterday, if I go 0-2, I still hold 2nd place alone, as it looks like MJD will go 0-2 and Fugazi has a chance in one game. Tree looks like he will go 2-0, I don't think that I will get the 20.07 points needed. But 12.95 seems reasonable for me to beat Promize. Maybe we will have a tie on top after this week.
256Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 12:04
MJD- The same thing has happened to me- when you click update both games it makes both lineups identical not just updating the change you just made for both teams- If you are playing seperate lineups-
as I have been doing with Anderson and Palmer- you need to make subsequent changes individually for each game- That's just the way the feature works and I agree it is a pain to make late changes to have to make the change twice.

257mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 12:52
I made individual changes before the 1 PM games. I watched the live scoring all day and had 2 different lineups.

It was only before the Sunday night game that I made the same change to both lineups and hit "both" figuring the gametime freeze was in effect for all other players in the lineups who already played. That's the point that my lineups became exactly the same.

If what Valkyrie says is true, then AOL has a serious flaw. What's to prevent someone from setting their optimal lineup when switching out a Monday night player for another player who plays on Monday night.

I'm not trying to get over here, I'd just like my correct point total. In my game with Valkyrie, I'd get and additional 18 points from the Bears D, the 3 additional points from Hayden, plus Bueleson, who could wind up pulling a Darren Sproles in tonight's game and give me a win.
258mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 13:05
Here's what my scores should be. In the game 1

Building 7-131.84
mjd-84.22
That's McDonald, Titans D, and A. Henry. No players left. Game over.

Game 2

Valkyrie-126.04
mjd-101.42
That's Bears D, Hayden, plus Burleson yet to play.
259mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 13:23
Actually what Valkyrie said is true. You must jump through additional hoops to post 2 different lineups. I did that before the 1 PM games.

The flaw arose when I changed both lineups for the Sunday night game and checked the "both lineups box".
The players who already played their games should have been frozen on each of those separate different lineups and they were not. AOL allowed changes to be made to both lineups to players already past their gametime freeze.

It's like the gametime freeze did not happen.
260Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 14:06
That is bizarre. I don't know if I have the full grasp of your situation mjd, but if you explained to Guru what happened and possibly he could shed some light on what we should do here.

From what I am reading I would say to give you credit in one of the games when the scoring is finalized and adjust that game. I'd have to wait to hear on a ruling from Guru though.
261mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 15:13
I'm sending an email to AOL to see if they can verify my rosters at the early game time freezes and what actually happened to the freeze.

I'd imagine that without verification from another party, I'm dead in the water. I'm sure Guru would agree.

If I had to make a ruling on this, I'd want some verification, unless I'd seen it with my own eyes.
262mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 15:59
Email to AOL sent asking what was the problem with the game time freeze and for verification of my rosters at the first game time freeze.

Judging from my past email responses from AOL, I'm not very confident in a favorable result here. In fact, the next response I get from them will be the first.
263Tree
      ID: 1710191218
      Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 22:14
i think this game between me and electro is going to come down to the wire...
264mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 22:47
Looks like both of Electro's games will.

What a crappy game to watch.
265mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 15:54
No reply from AOL, but my net loss is only 11.2 points.

Hopefully that won't cost me a playoff spot.

Just be careful if you decide to change your lineup for a later game after the first games have started and there was supposed to be a game time freeze. Not sure if the game time freeze issues were isolated to this past week or not. I hope so.

I may try it again this week, but if I do I'll post my original lineups so that I don't lose or gain any points.
266holt
      ID: 129202215
      Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 18:36
mjd, is it possible that your lineup was changed because you have commish powers? a commish does have the ability to change a lineup after a freeze don't they? or not? I can't remember.

I do still have an old aol league running that I was commish of. if I remember this sunday I'll try to reproduce this and see what happens.

btw, if you only wanted to change your TE, why not just open game 1, change TE, open game 2, change TE. it only takes a minute. doing what you did, I would have expected to have gotten an error message. something telling you that players were already frozen. only thing I can imagine is that commish powers allowed you to over-ride the freeze.
267mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 19:43
I don't use commish powers unless I'm asked to. I never even go near them when managing my own team. I could have used commish powers to switch my lineups back to the way they were, but I don't play like that.

I merely swapped Clark for Utecht at about 8 PM. Most of my players were past their game time freeze by then, so I checked the both button. Also, I was in the middle of playing a game with my grandson and didn't want to wait for the AOL game site which we all know can be extremely slooooooow.

Believe me, if I had any clue whatsoever that there was some sort of glitch, I would have held up our game to set them separately.

A glitch like this threatens the integrity of our leagues, so I'd like to see if it's still occurring.

I also have an old league and I will also try it there instead of in this league, as I'm not really comfortable risking loss of anymore points.
268mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 19:58
I'm wandering if it happened because I never refreshed the site after making my changes right before the first game time freeze at 1 PM ET.

I did get an error message when I tried to switch the lineups back to what they were.

Regardless, it's a serious flaw. I just hope it was an isolated incident.

I'm more concerned that the integrity of the game may be in question than the loss of a few points.
269mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 20:03
wondering and wandering 0)
270holt
      ID: 129202215
      Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 07:45
Are commish powers always active? What I mean is, do all the roster moves you make (for your team or another team) automatically over-ride locked roster status? I don't remember ever having to go back and change anyone's lineup as a commish, so I don't know how it works. I'm pretty sure a commish can change a lineup after it's locked, but I'm just not exactly sure how it's done.
271Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 13:22
I am pretty sure it's in a special Commish tool and that you can't do it from your team screen once your players are locked.

I don't know though because I have yet to try to trade out a late game guy. I usually just wait for the 11:30 (CST) reports, then go upstairs and enjoy 10 hours of non-stop football.
272mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 17:21
270-The only way to use commish powers is to go into "Commissioner" in the left side menu. All other menu headings (League home, Team, Player, etc) are for management of your (the commish's) team. It's exactly like any other manager's menu except there's the additional "Commissioner" menu heading.

Once your are in Commissioner, you can over-ride locked players. But I shouldn't be able to do that from my team site unless that's the glitch. And after my lineup got switched, I tried to switch it back from my team site, which is where I swapped Clark to Utecht that caused the problem in the first place. Trying to switch it back is when I got the locked player error message. So I don't think that's the problem. I think it was a game time freeze issue, but still no word from AOL, so I'm not positive about that.

Had I used commish powers, I could have switched my lineups back to the way they were, but I would never consider doing that. I've commished in these leagues previously and plan to do so again in the future. I value the integrity of being entrusted with those responsibilities way too much to do anything to mess that up.

I'm more concerned with the integrity of the game itself than the few points I lost last week. That's why I went public with this possible game time freeze glitch and why I want to further investigate it.

Hopefully the loss of the points won't cost me a playoff spot. If I can't make the playoffs from my current position, I probably don't belong there anyway. But there's still 6 more games to go, so alot can still happen.
273Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 18:33
Been reading up on the situation. It may seem like a small amount of points, but looking over last years standings, I was 7.04 points out of being in RIFC for example. Points are points. It seems like an honest mistake, is there no way to rectify this, giving him the points? It won't affect the win loss record. Maybe put it to a league wide vote or something?
274mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 19:57
Tried to see if I could duplicate last week's game time freeze issue using last year's team, but so far everything seems to be working OK.

Thankfully, it appears that whatever occurred last week was an isolated incident.
275Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 21:29
I wonder if Moss told Brady that he wanted 4 td passes like Owens. That's alright by me.

And if the Pats want to run up the score, I can watch Brady to Moss or Stallworth all night:)
276mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:58
I'd be willing to bet that 90% of the first place teams in every fantasy football league has Brady as their QB.

In one of my keeper leagues, I have the Brady-Welker combo, and I'm in first. Funny thing is, I picked him up as a free agent at the end of last year. Before this year, Brady was a decent, but not great fantasy QB.

Speaking of running up the score, the last time the Patriots were accused of that (Washington game), I needed that last Brady to Welker TD for my margin of victory.
277judy
      ID: 7771722
      Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 14:23
The top team in RIFC AA has Welker, R Moss, TO and Palmer -- and
he abandoned his team mid season...Those four guys have a total
of 680.5 points so far this season...
278Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 14:28
Wow. I wish I had that team. Then I would be at least garenteed to be back in AAA. I will prolly be back down in AA after a 2 year stint in AAA. This has been a BAD year for me, especially in my WR corps.
279mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 10:12
Lotta points scored in just 3 games yesterday.
280Tree
      ID: 291030236
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 10:15
i had nearly all of my offensive players going yesterday. didnt realize that until this morning...
281mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 10:16
Over 50 points scored by Valkyrie with only 3 IDPs and a RB.

Pretty impressive.
282twilson
      ID: 192132814
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 16:03
Oh well, I could've sworn I put Kerney in after I picked him up, as I don't have any other D-Lineman. Unfortunately, it looks like it's going to cost me.
283Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 19:11
I was going to put Kaeding in as my kicker, but went to do other things and forgot about it.
284Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 21:33
Look at my Eagles. As much as I want Brady and Moss and Stallworth to score, I am loving what I am seeing.

I also noticed another thing, but the Eagles seem to play better when McNabb is not playing. Feeley is playing great, and last year Garcia really looked good with the team. I am wondering, in the whole McNabb vs Owens thing, did they get rid of the wrong guy?
285mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 21:58
As an old Eagles fan myself, I've basically been saying the same thing. With McNabb, everyone expects him to be Superman and make all the plays.

Without McNabb, they play better as a team.

But the play calling is far more balanced without McNabb, and that's the coaches fault.
286Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 22:26
He used to be able to do a lot of things that he is not able to do as well now. We will have to wait to see next year when he is fully healed from the knee to see if he can get back to where he was.

But, I just think that his attitude may be detrimental to the team.
287judy
      ID: 7771722
      Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 19:53
Next year? E'man, do you really think he will be back -- as a
starter? He is great trade bait to get some good receivers.

I think he is a good man who has been thrashed by the media -- if
he goes, I expect him to do really well -- so they better send him to
the AFC.
288fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 20:03
He's just too fragile all around. I would not want to see him traded to my team. Unless it's as a back up.
289holt
      ID: 129202215
      Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 20:37
I still remember him totally running out of gas in the super bowl. It's the only time I remember seeing a QB noticeably exhausted like that.

He also seems to be inaccurate as a passer. I don't see every Eagles game (they like to show stupid cowboys and chiefs every week here in oklahoma), but what I've noticed is he has no touch. Throws it too hard, too high, too low, etc. Short passes, they'd be better off having a fantasy nerd throw them.

290mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 23:29
Yet another Monday night snooze fest, but I'll take it for a split.

I feel fortunate to get that.
291Pancho Villa
      ID: 47161721
      Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 10:10
Wow, I'm on a 9 game losing streak.

Starting Najeh Davenport over Andre Hall turned out to be a really bad idea.
292Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 10:39
Yah PV, but right now you have the 7 spot in the playoffs based on Points Scored. And at least you have playoff hopes.
293Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 17:52
Seem like Me, Tree, Fugazi and buiding 7 have clinched a playoff spot. It is the seeds that have to be settled. PV seems to be in a pretty good spot for one of the points spots.
294mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 18:33
Speaking of playoffs, I've been looking for this and Guru posted it today on the RIFC thread.

Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) and team defenses may not be added for any reason during the playoffs. Free agents at these positions will be locked out after the final regular season game. You may drop a player at one of these positions, but once dropped, that player cannot be added later.

Players at the other positions (TE, PK, IDP) may be added or dropped according to normal regular season guidelines, subject to playoff claiming priorities, if applicable.

Team which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket.


Also, claiming/waiver priorities will be reset one last time. Following the final regular season game, priorities will be reset based on playoff seed, with the top seed getting the top priority. Thereafter, throughout the playoffs, priorities will again adjust only when a claim is awarded.
295Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 18:35
with the top seed getting the top priority

Wasn't expecting that when I was reading.
296fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 21:07
I don't think I could have drafted a more injury prone team if I tried.
297mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 23:12
Kyle, there is one stat correction that one of us will probably have to make manually.

Building 7 gets credit for the Jared Allen TD catch.

May not matter to any final outcomes.
298Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 10:00
Stat Corrected.
299Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 10:04
Congratulations to the 2007 RIFC AAA #2 Playoff teams. These are the teams, ranked by seed, who will continue playing for the title.

Team W L Win % PF PA Streak
Electro's Eagles 21 5 0.808 4107.10 3379.44 W6
No Remorse Corps 19 7 0.731 3834.96 3313.84 W1
FUGAZI FUNDAMENTALS 17 9 0.654 3516.18 3215.06 W4
twilson's Milchian Magicians 15 11 0.577 3443.24 3413.68 W2
mjd's It's up, it's gooood!!! 15 11 0.577 3420.78 3323.82 W3
Building 7 15 11 0.577 3413.34 3250.56 W1
PV Blasters 12 14 0.462 3474.54 3304.40 W2
Valkyrie13 11 15 0.423 3227.94 3316.28 L3
300Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 10:09
First round games are as follows:

(1)Electro's Eagles v. (8)Valkyrie13
(2)No Remorse Corps v. (7)PV Blasters
(3)FUGAZI FUNDAMENTALS v. (6)Building 7
(4)twilson's Milchian Magicians v. (5)mjd's It's up, it's gooood!!!

I'll also set up a consolation bracket for us losers, myself included. Non-playoff teams are not allowed to make roster adds and drops. A waiver priority will be set with the 1 seed getting top priority and subsequent seeds getting the following priorities. Good luck to those in the playoffs and consolation bracket!
301Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 17:31
I hope that I don't get bounced in the first round of the playoffs. Also really happy that I didn't get in Fugazi's bracket.

I thought that I had a good year, went over and checked out the RIFC standings, and IAC had an amazing year. 23-3, with an 18 game winning streak.
302fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 19:12
Funny you say that electro. I was thinking the same thing. I was very lucky to beat you twice in the regular season. Beating you again seems almost impossible.
303Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 21:51
Electro- I was quite surprised to see I was only a 28 point underdog to you this week- against Brady, Tomlinson, Owens and Moss on the same team in the same year. Of course 6 weeks ago you did only beat me by 3. It certainly would be a shame if you lost in the first round to a team with a losing record but I honestly don't see that happening not that I won't be trying my best to give it a Philadelphia or Baltimore type effort against a seemingly invincible foe.


304Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 08:46
Travis Henry won his appeal, and, health willing, will be among the top RBs the rest of the way.

This is good news for my team, which was forced to use scrubs like Najeh Davenport, Aaron Stecker and Chris Henry after Ronnie Brown went down.
305Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 11:15
Electro, don't sell yourself short. You had an awesome year. And you scored more points than IAC in RIFC.
306Building 7
      ID: 471052128
      Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 17:14
How can Fugazi pick up a team defense yesterday?
Per #294 this is not possible. I was wanting to get one myself.
307Tree
      ID: 481113616
      Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 17:16
seems to me he can't pick one up...it shoulda been locked...
308mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 22:04
We can't just lock out the skill players and team Ds. We'll just have to keep an eye on the transactions and reverse any illegal ones.

Sorry, Fugazi.

If Kyle does not reverse this transaction in 24 hours, I will.

Good pick up, guys.
309fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 23:37
sorry guys my bad. thought it was just skill positions.
310mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 23:51
I also forgot that defenses were included with the skill positions.

I saw the transaction on Wednesday, but thought nothing of it.
311Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 01:52
Sorry guys just saw this I'll reverse it. Snow, cold, work, and school have caused havoc the last 2 days.
312Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 18:48
I am happy with the bracket that I am in. Look at PV giving Tree a run. And Brady seems to only be looking at Welker this drive.
313Tree
      ID: 30113798
      Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 19:16
PV is giving me a helluva run. 31.5 combined points from two DEFENSIVE players, including 16.5 from a defensive lineman, will do that.

i'll be bummed if benching Cotchery and Evans in favor of Crayton costs me the game...
314Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 19:36
Electro, I don't think it mattered who you played today. You were going to blow out anyone.
315Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 20:05
i'll be bummed if benching Cotchery and Evans in favor of Crayton costs me the game...

Hah! The Romo/Barber/Whitten connection will be more than enough to get you over the top(after Adai gets a couple runs). You can't expect to be completely carried by Cowboys.
316Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 20:17
This week scared me, with LT going up against the Titans. It looked bad until the end of that game with LT getting a couple of TD's. Also, I was worried that the Steelers would slow down Brady and Moss. The guy I thought would carry me was TO, and he had a very low scoring game. I hope that a 97 point lead is enough with 4 players left for Valkyrie ;)
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
317Tree
      ID: 30113798
      Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 22:59
Electro, I don't think it mattered who you played today. You were going to blow out anyone.

well, except for me. he and i are going to score roughly the same amount of points this week...

318mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 11:43
I can't believe it. I went to bed with about a 6 point lead and woke up to a .1 point loss.

I've never seen that big of an overnight adjustment.
319twilson
      ID: 192132814
      Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 19:28
Yeah, that surprised me too mjd. I guess something was wrong with team defense scoring yesterday. There are a few things I thought I might get credit for from IDPs, but not team defense.

Anyway, your team played a good match this week. They had me on edge throughout the day, especially before Jamal Lewis scored his last TD. I hope we end up in the same league again next year, as our teams have always been very close in ability.
320Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 12:25
I wonder how much the weather will slow down the Pats today? I hope that my other players can step up and pick up some of the slack.
321Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 19:33
Well, TO, Brady and Moss gave me a total of 16.1 points this week, plus the weather slowed down Winslow. Looks like my fantasy season is over. Congrats Twilson, good luck in the finals. I wonder if Trees 13.5 point lead will hold up as Fugaxi has 2 players left.

On the bright side, my Eagles lost, but the Philly Eagles beat the OVERRATED Cowboys with their cocky inflated head QB.
322Tree, in LA
      ID: 2311401512
      Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 20:52
one of the funniest things i've ever read on this form is someone calling Romo cocky. he is probably the least cocky starting QB in the NFL...
323Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 21:02
I guess that Urlacher got my email, but he must have not read the part about locking Briggs in the bathroom.
324Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 17:47
Congrats to Twilson and Tree, along with Frick and TD in the consolation bracket.

I am surprised with the poor performances from most of my big guys, that I only lost by 16.38 points.
325mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 11:02
Nice for my guys to show up a couple weeks late (;

Congrats on the championship, Tree
326Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 14:55
Congrats Tree for finishing first in this ultra competitive league. Good Luck next year with the "big boys".
327Electroman
      ID: 711252517
      Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 16:32
Congrats Tree.
328Tree
      ID: 521141275
      Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 06:44
thanks guys - it was a fun, exciting season. i lead the pack for the first part of the season, watched Electro take over in the second, and we had one or two weeks in there were everyone was bunched up and it was sink or swim.

i expected to meet Electro in the finals, but mother nature had other plans. it was interesting that his team was Patriots heavy, and one bad week in the playoffs cost him. i was Cowboy heavy, and a couple bad weeks cost me in teh regular season.

still, it was a very fun league this year, and it feels really nice to win one of the RIFC leagues. thanks a bunch!
329 judy
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 19:09
I am running a "buddy group/league" with the cbs nfl.com playoff
challenge.

if you want an invite, send me an email or post it here.

it is free.

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