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0 Subject: RotGurupie Keeper 14: Regular Season Discussion

Posted by: Mötley Crüe - Dude [439372011] Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 13:05

To tie up loose ends, please don't forget we still need to make a decision about next year's draft order. Commentary is welcome.

For Week 1, I set Doug's lineup for his second game (against AthleticsGuy) because it wasn't in the system for some reason or other. He had Reggie Bush set to start in his first lineup, but I replaced him with Kevin Faulk (after seeing that Kevin Jones was doubtful) for today's lineup since I believe Bush shouldn't be available to him after Thursday. With that said, I realize Bush had a poor score this week, and that Faulk could outpoint him. I think in this situation there isn't any better way to proceed really.

Any objections will be respectfully reviewed. Feel free to e-mail me.
1Mötley Crüe
      ID: 15723310
      Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 06:34
If I'm IAC I'm feeling pretty good about my draft at this point.

Whereas this is normally the morning when most people aren't feeling so hot about their drafts.
2TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 19:32
Man, I had to look all over for this thread.

So I am looking at scores and see I lost to Guru 131.82 to 131.72

Is that like one rushing yard? Uggghh.
3Athletics Guy
      ID: 477573110
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 20:08
Good thing I didn't play either of you, as I had 131.48. I'd rather be blown away. Thanks to MC for doing that this week!
4TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 20:13
I lost to you in one league, maybe the AAA. Man, both my teams look like crap, yet again. One of these days I think I am going to stay sober during a draft.
5Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 20:44
I was starting to wonder if I was the only person who would ever post in this thread.

I think my team shot its load this week. I don't expect to have IDP's scoring in double digits very often to cover for my sorryass WR's and MJD taking a game off. Slack.
6I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 05:39
Thanks MC... there is always room for improvement though.
7leggestand
      ID: 258301215
      Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 16:33
Wow, after checking into the internet for the first time in five days, I see that for the only time I can remember I lost every game in every league I am in (0-7). Fortunately, I had a baby boy (my first kid) on Monday morning after my wife went through 32 hours of labor, so, it seems that I did come out ahead this weekend.
8GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 16:39
legge,
Congrats,
Glad to hear Mom and Baby Boy are doing fine.
Some things really are more important than Fantasy Sports.

WOW, did I really say that :)

Cliff
9Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 18:54
Matt, that's great! Congratulations.

And on that note (or not), I was doing some of my best thinking just now and realized we also never stipulated that free agent acquisitions can only be made during the season. I think that was probably obvious, but just to be sure, I am saying it now. I don't see much need to vote on it, although I wouldn't be surprised to hear TB say we should be able to GM our teams all winter and spring.

IAC, your time to really blow us all away was Monday night. I was looking for a 200 out of that lineup. I was a little disappointed only because it's so unlikely anyone will go into Monday night with a 160-something and 3 players still to go, much less 2 WR's. Hey, I want to see someone break 200. As long as he isn't playing my team.
10Hubble
      ID: 19792721
      Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 19:15
Chances are he'll be playing me... look at point against... i'm leading by 49 points :) and if the trend of my last leagues continue, i should be clear winner of that category with by year end.

Good job IAC...
11TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 20:57
Like a punch in the gut...ouch.
12Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 21:33
Dang, I just saw that someone in RIFC averaged 195 points in the Week 1 doubleheader. I guess there were just a load of points out there this weekend.
13judy
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 10:23
Here were the combined (2 game) scores for the 2-0 teams in AA:

scary...

384
311
310
300
282
14Taxman
      ID: 2488129
      Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 19:29
Wow...what a huge fantasy mistake. I started McNair because of reports of how good he looked at practice, ignoring the "game time decision" status and the impact of pulling a zero at QB.

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
15The Beezer
      Dude
      ID: 191202817
      Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 21:46
AG's looking to set some records. What a job by the receiving corps.
16Athletics Guy
      ID: 35851619
      Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 19:50
I apologize to my 2 opponents this week. I really didn't mean to beat you guys that badly. ;)
17Mötley Crüe
      ID: 15723310
      Tue, Sep 18, 2007, 07:16
I have to think fantasy scoring is up across the board. Two weeks in a row with those kinds of scores is unprecedented. Not to take anything away from IAC's and AG's teams. Awesome fireworks shows, guys.
18Challenger
      Sustainer
      ID: 481126818
      Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 08:13
Guru, The chart you posted in RIFC yesterday, can you please do one for this league also? It would be most appreciated!
19TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 18:58
Hey Commish,

I was looking at my team and saw that Takeo Spikes was credited with zero points (in both my games) for the week. I went and looked at official boxscores and he was listed with 5 tackles. Heck, he is listed with 5 tackles right on our page, but zero points. Am I missing something or should I be credited with some more points?

This link might take you straight to the scoring page for last week.
20TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 19:12
I swear I am also an idiot. I just meant to dump Posluszny for Morgan and instead dumped Beason. I really need to drink a few beers before I log in.
21Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 21:07
I just fixed your roster move error, TB. The other issue I decided to send in a help ticket on just so that Fanball is aware they missed it. If they don't update it within 24 hours, I'll just manually add the points to your result. I believe this is possible. I seem to remember it happening in the past.
22TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 22:05
Thanks. I appreciate it. I know it's just 5 points and doesn't impact either game, but with those last two playoffs spots always coming down to the remaining highest scoring teams you never know.

Hey Guru, did the same thing happen in the RIFC?
23Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Sep 27, 2007, 14:19
Looks like it did, but it's been corrected by now.
24judy
      ID: 7771722
      Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 22:55
Are you guys getting the 6 points for Vrabel's TD?

Is AOL likely to fix this?
25Challenger
      Sustainer
      ID: 481126818
      Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 09:09
MC, re post#24 - Are you going to be crediting the 6 points to my score?
26Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 18:33
Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, I'll take care of that, Challenger.

I'm looking to trade for a Top 20 WR. That's Top 20 draft rankings, not Top 20 as of this moment. However, all offers will be considered.

I'm willing to offer either Kitna or Favre and Sammy Morris. There's a chance you could talk me out of Marshawn Lynch at this point, as well, but if you attempt that I expect to see names like Owens, Chad Johnson, or Driver coming at me. I'm looking to deal multiple players and upgrade WR in return.
27Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 07:03
Hubble, I made you an offer.
28Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 12:36
Taxman and Beezer: you guys need to check you lineups. You both have an issue to cover.

29leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 13:17
As seeing that I just picked up Cadillac, here is my question...is he now a 24th round keeper? I can't seem to find a place if/where a decision was made about players who are dropped and the treatment of the round they were drafted.
30Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 18:14
Custom Rules (additional rules entered by the commissioner)

KEEPER RULES

....

All players who are waived automatically garner 'undrafted' status. For the purposes of assigning them a keeper round the following year, it would be as if they were never drafted, even if the same manager re-acquires the player.


Maybe one day when I'm really bored I'l number the paragraphs in the rules for easy reference.

I was wondering if someone might pounce on the Caddie. I read that his injury is so severe that he may never play again, so that discouraged me. Something to the effect that no one has ever come back from a torn patellar tendon.

Thanks for posting, legge. I was starting to think I was the only one alive in this league.
31leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 18:53
I am alive and well! I have been kept from posting that often with the newborn (who is doing well and poops his pants a lot). I'd also be posting more if my team was more successful...

I really can't sort out what is wrong with my team. I have been making a lot of bad "coaching" decisions across all leagues lately. In this league, I finally pulled starting status last week from Rivers and decided to go with the hot "Harrington." 24.5 points for Rivers and 2.5 points for Harrington later, I lose both games...which I would of won if I started Rivers. Also, Addai sitting out and me not having the handcuff forced a bad RB starting situation last weekend, and I got a whopping 3 points total form my 2 RB's.

I have started thinking about keepers, and I am seriously contemplating keeping 2 IDP's...McGee and either McIntosh or Willis. Keeping two IDP's is certainly not ideal, but I likely have the top IDP corps in the league. On that note:

If anyone is interest in upgrading at IDP, send me an offer. I am looking for a WR.
32leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 18:55
Oh yeah, I hear you on Caddie...he could be out for his career. At 2-8 though, I figure I can take a chance on holding him until next season.

I also just noticed that if the playoffs started next week, I'd be the 9 seed because of points. I know the 9 seed doesn't make the playoffs, but at least I know I am still in the thick of things at 2-8!
33Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 20:21
Yes, it's quite a close knot of teams fighting for the bottom rung of the Playoffs still. The real sorting should take another 5 weeks, at least.

I like the results I'm getting but strangely don't love my players. It's too early to have a good feeling about my team, especially considering how low I scored in weeks 2 & 3. I like having an overachiever at QB (Favre) and defense (Pitt). I guess this means I had a good draft. Having already waived my 9th and 10th round picks, however, makes me sting a little.

I keep getting this sneaking feeling that IAC sits at home on the couch flipping through the pages of Biff's Back to the Future II Sports Almanac during the NFL season. What was that Kelsay pickup this past week? Never even heard of the guy before and he returns an INT for TD!
34The Beezer
      Dude
      ID: 191202817
      Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 20:35
Thanks for the heads up, MC. I didn't get a chance to look at it until after the Sunday night game had started, so I took the only choice I could. Fortunately for me it worked out and I got back to .500. At least I'm doing better in this league than in the RIFC!

I'll work to be more active in the thread in the coming weeks once hockey settles down a bit.

Legge, I thought about getting Caddy too, so I think it's a risk worth taking. I really hope he comes back - he's probably among my favorite players since the Auburn grad I work with is hyping his guys all the time and it's apparently contagious.
35I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 22:35
I keep getting this sneaking feeling that IAC sits at home on the couch flipping through the pages of Biff's Back to the Future II Sports Almanac during the NFL season. What was that Kelsay pickup this past week? Never even heard of the guy before and he returns an INT for TD!

It was actually a last minute substitution for an otherwise "dead" roster spot for that week. I didn't have a lot of time for roster moves, as I was in Boston for the Patriots game. I did a quick search for DE playing in the Monday night game, and Kelsay struck my fancy. I got to say that when I was watching the "live ticker" while my wife was watching "the bachelor", that I got pretty excited. It was almost as good as Kevin Curtis' week 3 blowup. :)
36Hubble
      ID: 35812212
      Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 00:05
While setting my lineup.. tired i made a major mistake!!! i released NE def... but i cant pick it back... i meant to release IND def...

some1 can help me?
37Hubble
      ID: 35812212
      Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 00:10
I'd like to dress NE too... i picked cincy def just to have a legit linup... but plz dump IND for NE DEF.
38I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 12:52
hmmm... gametime, and Hubble's team isn't adjusted yet. I hope the commish can adjust "retroactively".
39Mötley Crüe
      ID: 15723310
      Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 19:38
Whoops, I just checked in here for the first time in a while.

Nevertheless, the software seems to have let me make the change. Not that Hubble will be happy about it. It caused him to lose a few points, more than likely.
40Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 22:43
I just noticed that Challenger made a transaction tonight, dropping DL Marques Douglas of the 49ers and picking up the Detroit Lions TM Defense.

Both teams are on bye this week.

Despite that, I thought the rules prohibited such a transaction, although the software didn't stop the move.

The rules state the following:
During the regular season, league members are allowed to make their own free agent acquisitions:
Weekly starting Wednesday 01:00p EST and players lock 5 minutes before kickoff of their game.


Also:
Starting five minutes prior to the scheduled start of each NFL game, no player in that game may be dropped, regardless of whether the player is an active or bench player.

I don't think those statements literally prohibit such a move. On the other hand, I think the intent was always that no players should be able to be involved in transactions on Mondays except the players playing that night.

Am I going a little overboard on this, or is it a legitimate concern? Do we need to take a look at this sort of transaction, or should it continue to be allowed?
41I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 22:53
If both are on byes, I really don't see a problem.

My .02
42leggestand
      ID: 339561519
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 23:04
Although I don't think it's a big deal, I also don't think it should be allowed.

On the other hand, I think the intent was always that no players should be able to be involved in transactions on Mondays except the players playing that night.

I agree. But, like I said, it's no big deal if I am in the minority.
43GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 23:35
Also don't think it's a big deal, but shouldn't be allowed.

And also no big deal if I'm in the minority.

And No, I'm not jsut saying that because Challenger is kicking my Rear this week. ;)

Cliff
44leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 14:53
I am really looking at moving an IDP or 2 this week. I need a bye week QB with a decent matchup for this week, and I am willing to sell an IDP or 2 fairly cheaply (depending on who is wanted). Send me an offer if interested.
45Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 17:26
I guess I always figured bye players were fair game to add or drop on a Monday.
46Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 17:28
BTW, since we are playing RIFC rules, then I assume this is the last week that waiver/claim priorities are reset. Next week's priorities are simply the carry-forward from this week's activity.

Motley, you'll need to change that setting sometime before next Tuesday.
47I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 20:40
I was thinking over the scenarios a bit, a wondered IF we decided to revoke the move in question, how we we deal with these type of issues:

Scenario 1. Manager realizes that he has a roster spot (pick any position) on a bye, should he be allowed to swap out that bye "player" for a "player" that hasn't had his game start yet? (After 1PM ET on Sunday of course)

Scenario 2. Manager is reading pre-game info for a 4PM Sunday game, and realizes that one of his players now wont start (Posibly wasn't even on Injury report: see Jeremiah Trotter pre-game fight on MNF two years ago), can he swap out a "player" on a bye in order to fill that void?
48Mötley Crue
      ID: 179531618
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 20:53
Guru, yes, I'll be sure to do that. Thanks for the reminder.

IAC, I think both of those moves would be acceptable. And to be clear, I'm not talking about reversing Challenger's move. I think it was technically legal. My question was only do we want it to be? It allowed him to add a player (that I thought was off limits) to his roster without waiting until the waiver period. Yes, anyone else could have done the same thing. I'm not accusing him of anything. I just wanted to hear your opinions on whether or not we want that sort of move to be possible.
49The Beezer
      Dude
      ID: 191202817
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 22:39
IAC 47 - not sure if it should be acceptable or not, but it's already been done multiple times so I don't think we can disallow it the rest of the season.

For future seasons, I would prefer that the rule either be that no players can be added to rosters after Sunday early game kickoffs or any player that hasn't played yet is free game until the last game of the week starts. Otherwise, it could be a headache to administer.
50Challenger
      Sustainer
      ID: 481126818
      Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 02:36
any player that hasn't played yet is free game until the last game of the week starts

That is my belief. Bye players are frozen 5 minutes before kickoff of the last game of the week along with all of the players from those last 2 competing teams. My trade was done 2 hours before the scheduled kickoff.

I just wanted to hear your opinions on whether or not we want that sort of move to be possible.

What sort of move???? Bye player for Bye player?? Would it have be so alarming if it was a bye player for a Falcon or Giant??? A Falcon or Giants player for a bye player?
51Motley Crue
      ID: 149291718
      Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 20:39
This is not a personal attack, nor am I questioning your move, Challenger. I just never contemplated swapping bye players on Monday evenings until I saw you do it. It felt a little off kilter to me because the waiver claim process is set up specifically to execute those types of maneuvers. Picking up a player who hadn't played that weekend yet (a Falcon or Giant) would have been a different story because the rules address that. They don't address picking up players on a bye. My instinct is that they should be available only through Sunday, like the vast majority of the rest of the players. I don't think that'd be easy to institute, however, since there's no Commish setting for it. Because of that, I think the best thing to do is to leave everything the way it is.

The only thing I've really accomplished is calling everyone's attention to the existing ability to mimic your move.

I never intended to accuse you of anything. It was a shrewd move and I credit your active pursuit of improving your team.

That reminds me: please everyone check your rosters carefully each week before noon Sunday to make sure you have players capable of covering all of the starting slots. With these 6-team-bye-weeks it's been tough and I've seen several teams starting bye week players or injured players (whose status has been known long in advance). It disappoints me to see that happen. I have tried to warn people when I catch it in advance, but I do that out of a desire to see competitive balance in the league and not from any sense of obligation. I get frustrated to see people leaving easy points on the bench or the FA list. Please?
52TB
      ID: 8926512
      Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 22:27
I remember the first year of the RIFC Taxman made a similar move during the season, grabbing a bye week player on Monday night just before the game kicked off. I have no problem with those players being available all the way up until the Monday night game kicks off. Really, why wouldn't they be seeing how the players in the Monday night game are still available?
53Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 08:18
I'm leaving this morning (Friday) to go camping and I won't be back until Sunday afternoon after the 1 o'clock games kick off. I've set my lineups and will check in when I return.
54Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Oct 25, 2007, 18:41
A few thoughts I've been having this week...

--Anyone ready to start debating the merits of adding more IDP's to the starting lineup next season? Maybe another starter at each of the IDP slots, plus another bench slot?

--I had long considered this league to be divergent from RIFC in terms of new rules. Simply because the rules are tweaked there wouldn't automatically mean we'd make changes in here. Anyone disagree?

--Do any of you foresee having to punt this league as early as 2008? I hope not but I realize things often change in personal lives. TB and I were discussing the procedure we'd use to bring a new manager into the league a little while ago. Expansion might be another thing to consider. I don't think Fanball Commissioner is set up to handle a 16-team league, but I would be totally willing to add another team or two eventually.

--What happened to trading? Is everyone really that happy with their respective drafts?
55GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Thu, Oct 25, 2007, 19:32
Not that I'm that happy now, but still trying to figure out what I can do and not kill me in the future years.

Ugh.

Willing to talk about IDP.

Agree with Divergent.
Not sure on expansion.
Tough to do with a league this big without trying to figure out a way to do an expansion draft to help the new teams become competitive.

Just my thoughts right now.

Cliff
56I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Thu, Oct 25, 2007, 22:53
I'm kewl with adding more IDP, although, to tell the truth, I'd like it also, if we "mirrored" the RIFC's ruleset every year.

I should be arround for next year.

IF we do take on "expansion", I think it's only normal that there be a small "handicap" for coming into the league late, kinda like mimic'ing the real organizations.
57The Beezer
      Dude
      ID: 191202817
      Thu, Oct 25, 2007, 23:38
I plan to be back, would prefer to keep the RIFC roster requirements and scoring (but not a deal breaker), and am still trying to figure out what deals make sense from a keeper perspective. I'd prefer to go through at least one full off-season before we consider expansion.
58TB
      ID: 8926512
      Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 01:19
I'm not big on expansion, but I am down with at least adding another DL or something to try and put some value at the position. And of course I am here for next year and every year after that until I croak or the league disbands. What's the point in joining a keeper league if you are stick around for a long time, eh?
59TB
      ID: 8926512
      Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 01:21
...are stick...
...aren't going to stick...

Okay, it's my bed time.
60Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 12:35
3 teams have bye week players in their starting lineups and Beezer has a starting lineup short of a DL.

I realize some of you may be waiting until the afternoon or MNF games to choose replacements. Please make an effort to double check your lineups if you don't mind.
61Athletics Guy
      ID: 35851619
      Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 12:41
I know I'll be sticking around. It wouldn't be right if the champion wasn't around to defend his title. As far as rules go, I'm certainly open for changes if they're needed. And there's no reason why it has to be the same as the RIFC.
62leggestand
      ID: 99102415
      Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 12:51
I just filled my bye week spot. I usually wait until 12:30 to make any final tweaks, and when it comes to DL, I don't think about it until then...

As for post 54

- I like 6 IDP's. No real reason why, but I think the IDP is fairly depleted as it is...but I am holding 8 right now, so, it may actually help me if we bumped it up. One thing I would like to see in the future is a manadatory keeper spot (or 2) for IDP's. Say 4 offensive (or 5) and 1 IDP (or 2). This wouldn't be implemented until the 2009 seaosn, but I think it's something to chat about this offseason.

- Agree with the ability to diverge from RIFC rules if we see fit.

- I don't really like expansion. Unless we cap position limits (2 QB's per team, etc).

- I am in the league for the long haul. I'd post more often, but the newborn pulls me away from the cpu a lot.

- As for trading, I'd love to make one. I am strong at RB and IDP, but no one seems to need them. I have offered quite a few trades, but there has been no biting. This is actually the only league this year where I haven't been able to make a trade yet.
63The Beezer
      Dude
      ID: 191202817
      Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 19:16
My apologies to everyone - things have been absolutely nuts the last several days. I got my DT slot filled but was too late to get my DL set. Should be better going forward.
64boikin
      ID: 59831214
      Wed, Oct 31, 2007, 16:00
I think that we need to reconsider some of the keepers rules when it comes to the value of 1st round pick vs a free agent. I know this has been discussed earlier and rejected but i want to bring up the idea again that for everyplayer that you keep you move back one round till your first pick. so if you keep 5 players your first pick will be in the 6th round and if you keep no one your frist pick will be in the first round.
65Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 20:15
boikin and I were talking the other day and he mentioned a hypothetical I think we'd all rather avoid.

A manager with low (presumably first) claim position waives his first round draft choice during the bye week, then picks him up with the claiming priority the following week. His reward is a Tomlinson/Manning/Addai type player that is available for a 24th round pick next season.

My band aid solution was to consider changing the rule allowing dropped players to be added as free agents and subsequently kept as 24th rounders. I was thinking a 12th rounder might make more sense. The thought process here is that we are really hurting managers who are forced (by the smallish roster size) to waive players who hit IR. I realize the gaining manager makes a sacrifice if he's able to hold a player through the rest of the season in anticipation of next year, but some rosters are based on a core nucleus of 5 or so very strong players while others rely more on every roster spot. Granted, neither type of team is inherently more desirable, but we are really tipping the balance towards teams with a strong core and weaker fringe players. At first glance that feels a bit out of whack to me.

I suppose the easiest solution is to change the rules to say that you can't waive your own player and pick him back up immediately. I really don't think anyone in this league would try that and risk the scorn of others. I know this is a pretty honorable group.

boikin's solution mentioned in [64] is basically what I was originally trying to do when we started the league up. It has the benefit of eliminating problems like I mentioned in the hypothetical, and it really simplifies administration. I do like the concept of being able to keep gems drafted late in exchange for later picks. That aspect of the league is pretty cool and rewards diligent draft research.
66leggestand
      ID: 279232918
      Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 22:26
Here's another option (that I use in a league where we use these waiver rules):

If a player was picked in round 5 or earlier, he retains that round for next season, whether or not he is dropped.

The reason being, and I'll use Cadillac as an example this year, is that Cadillac is only a 2nd rounder to the team who drafted him, which is a travesty. To everyone else, he is a 24th rounder. Basically, it's not a level playing field. Whoever had Cadillac when the year started had no choice but to drop him, because he isn't worth a 2nd round pick anymore. But the difference between Round 2 and 24 is too big.

The addendum to that is MC/boikin's proposal, that you cannot "claim" a player you wave. If I drop a guy and no one claims him and I pick him back up later, I still think he should be a 24th rounder, though.
67The Beezer
      Dude
      ID: 191202817
      Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 23:41
Good points. I like that rule on a pick keeping his round, legge. I wouldn't want someone to be able to pick up a waived player without every other team having a shot at getting him as an FA.
68GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 14:30
legge
Got your offer.
Give me a chance to think about it and I'll get back to you tonite.

Cliff
69Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 16:47
I love scoring second highest in the league and playing the top guy.

Judging by the way Baltimore's offense was playing last night, I thought I might have a chance to catch Challenger for a while.
70GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 21:29
legge,
check your PMs on Fanball

Cliff
71leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 09:28
Sounds good, Cliff. Glad to do business with ya.
72leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 09:10
Hey MC, Do you know when the trade between GL and myself will be processed?
73GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 10:41
MC, Ditto what legge said, inquiring minds want to know.

Cliff
74Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 14:21
Yes, it will be processed in a minute when I finish typing this.

There were no protests. I was just out of town until a few hours ago, so this was the first I'd seen of it. Sorry for the holdup.

Nice trade, by the way.
75leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 15:26
No problem and thanks. I just wasn't sure if it had been protested and that was the hold up.

I have finally completed a trade in every league this year!
76I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 12:43
FYI - Goatlockers team is almost inactive, as he didn't put Cromartie into his starting lineup. Hopefully he can get this adjusted pre-snap.
77 Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 20:09
This is not the first time someone has left a starting lineup spot empty this season. The software allows it and scores the team anyway. I would think losing the points would be enough of an inducement to make sure it doesn't happen but I've seen it happen enough times this season that I guess I'm wrong.

I realize life takes priority over fantasy football. I can't think of any way to better allow managers to get situated with their lineups than the current set up. I'm all ears if anyone has any suggestions. I don't want to change lineups unilaterally; I don't even like doing it with the manager's permission. My advice to people is please set your lineup on Thursday or Friday in case you can't get in to the website later in the week to update at the last minute. GoatLocker is not the only one who is short players this week.
78Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 21:29
I'm leaving town tomorrow morning (Saturday) and internet access will be spotty after that until Thanksgiving. Please post any issues or questions in here if anything comes up. I don't expect there to be any problems, but in case there are, a time stamp can help clear things up.
79GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 16:35
First I saw the discussion on the 11th since I was out of town.
Sorry about the incomplete roster, and not sure if it had to do with the trade or not.

Won't happen again.
Usually set the lineup on Weds afternoon and then check it again on Sat, but was out of town from Thurs thru Mon for that week.

Cliff
80Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 11:31
I assume we are using the RIFC Playoff roster limitations. To refresh your memories, these are posted in the RIFC thread.

MC, since I suspect some managers do not track this thread, perhaps an email remainder to the league would be a good idea.
81Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 20:03
Good idea. I just sent an e-mail out with the information.
82I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 10:00
I tried looking for the information but couldn't find it... When do we declare our keepers again?
83Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 10:35
That's going to take place next summer, 1 week before the draft begins. Plenty of time to think about it, IAC.
84Mötley Crüe
      ID: 258441912
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 09:42
Looks like Doug eked out that last playoff spot over leggestand this weekend. It was a pretty close call.

Guru, I'm setting the playoff seedings and my initial choice is the "static" brackets. Do you use that or the "manual" option? It looks like the "static" option doesn't allow for a second place game in either bracket. Our rules don't require it at any rate; the draft order for '08 will be the reverse of the standings with the exception being the first pick, which goes to the winner of the Toilet Bowl.

Also, since Sludge and Beezer have identical W/L % and split in H-2-H, I believe Sludge makes the consolation bracket by virtue of his lower Points For number. The rules aren't exactly clear on this, but I've pasted the relevant guidance below.

PLAYOFFS

8 teams
Top 6 W/L records are seeded 1-6
Top remaining total points are seeded 7-8
Teams with equivalent W/L records are seeded based on head-to-head first, then total points
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)

Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) and team defenses may not be added for any reason during the playoffs. Free agents at these positions will be locked out after the final regular season game. You may drop a player at one of these positions, but once dropped, that player cannot be added later.

Players at the other positions (TE, PK, IDP) may be added or dropped according to normal regular season guidelines, subject to playoff claiming priorities, if applicable.

If a playoff game ends in a tie score, the team with the better seed shall advance.

Team which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket.

CONSOLATION BOWL AND DRAFT ORDER

A Consolation Bracket will be established for the 4 lowest ranked teams at the end of the regular season (using regular season W/L%). The teams will be seeded 1-4. In NFL Week 14, Seed 1 plays Seed 4 and Seed 2 plays Seed 3. The winners of those two games play in NFL Week 15 in the Toilet Bowl. The winner of the Toilet Bowl is awarded the first pick in the next fantasy draft.

The other 13 draft positions will be slotted based on the reverse of the final regular season standings (using W/L%).

The draft will maintain the same order every round throughout (it will not snake).
85Mötley Crüe
      ID: 258441912
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 11:15
IAC, in reply to post 82 above, I was looking around the rules for an answer to your question and I actually don't see it in there.

However, the issue was contemplated and we decided on a solution which is stated in post 70 of this thread.

The next time I add to the rules, I'll be sure to enter whatever is missing.
86Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 21:18
I've just reset the claim priority to match the playoff seeding. Only teams in the Championship bracket may make transactions from now on, and only if the team hasn't been eliminated already. The order is as follows:

1. IAC
2. Oaktown Raiders
3. Chall's Bad Boyz
4. RotoGuru Klingons
5. GoatLocker's Bums
6. TB
7. Mötley Crüe
8. Snoop Dougg
87leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 12:18
I can't believe I didn't get that last spot. Not only did Doug eke me out by a total of 6 points, but if MC could of beaten TB (he lost 111 to 119), I would of been able to jump TB in total points, instead of him being locked in as the 6th seed and points being a moot point. So close.
88leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 12:21
Ugh, and looking at that MC and TB matchup in week 13 deeper, I see that the loss was probably because of Favre getteing hurt and putting up a negative. Double ugh!
89Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 18:01
Yeah, believe me that was more annoying than following Woodson all the way up to game time and assuming he'd get out there and then finding out 4 minutes too late he was deactivated. Not that Landon Johnson would have scored enough to win it for me.

I was following along all weekend though, legge, watching your destiny unfold. Odd how the playoff seedings came out in exactly the same order as the standings. Sorry I couldn't come through for you. Not the most encouraging way for me to enter the postseason: losing 5 straight.
90I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 17:08
Oh well Legge, look at it this way... HAD you made it in... with the 8th spot, you'd just end up losing to me in the first round of BOTH RIFC leagues. ;)
91leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 09:19
We will see about that!
92I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 21:20
I HATE HATE HATE having to face Guru in the semi-finals... I lost the last two years of the RIFC against him... in the semi-finals!!!
93Athletics Guy
      ID: 510372817
      Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 01:27
Man, I think I was like 4-0 against TB prior to this. Doesn't look good for me this week.
94Blind Squirrel
      ID: 111048300
      Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 01:42
Hey look, I found a nut!

Really, I was saving my guys for the play-offs.

Okay, that sounded funnier in my head. The teams I dominated with this year have all pretty much lost in the play-offs today. Some teams that were just okay have had mixed results. My AAA team was like the worst team in the league all year and is the 2nd highest scorer this week. I don't think I will ever figure out fantasy sports.
95TB
      ID: 111048300
      Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 01:43
That was me, just as an FYI.

=)
96Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 07:52
Congrats to leggestand on winning the Toilet Bowl and the first pick in every round of next year's draft.

TB, I always knew you had it in you. You go, dog.
97leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 13:06
Woohoo!!!
98TB
      ID: 111048300
      Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 20:30
leggestand with 5 keepers and the first round pick in every round. That is almost criminal.
99I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 17:01
RE 98: We don't snake the re-draft?
100Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 08:01
From the rules on the website:

CONSOLATION BOWL AND DRAFT ORDER

A Consolation Bracket will be established for the 4 lowest ranked teams at the end of the regular season (using regular season W/L%). The teams will be seeded 1-4. In NFL Week 14, Seed 1 plays Seed 4 and Seed 2 plays Seed 3. The winners of those two games play in NFL Week 15 in the Toilet Bowl. The winner of the Toilet Bowl is awarded the first pick in the next fantasy draft.

The other 13 draft positions will be slotted based on the reverse of the final regular season standings (using W/L%).

The draft will maintain the same order every round throughout (it will not snake).
101leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 09:38
TB - I wish I had better keepers, because I would be feeling really good about the 1st pick. The onle thing I do have going for me, though, is that my expected keepers are primarily late rounders. If I had to pick right now, I'd keep Addai (1st round), Burress (6th round), Lendale (8th round), and Willis (13th round). My 5th keeper would be either McGee (7th round) or Fargas (24th round).

I guess another question to ask myself is, "Do I drop Addai to get McFadden?" That will be a tough decision.

With all that being said, I will be looking to trade draft picks (most likely my 6th, 8th, or 9th rounders) for better keepers as the offseason progresses.
102TB
      ID: 111048300
      Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 09:31
Addai is proven and in a great offense. No way you drop him for McFadden.

Looks like I will be drafting 2nd to last in every round next year. I just set my line-up for this week and could only laugh at what I have to work with.

For keepers, I think I keep Manning, Portis, and Williams (picks 1-3) for sure. Then I will probably keep Deuce, who I claimed from waivers, and Michael Bush, who I drafted in the 9th. I expect good things from him next year. I'm for sure not keeping Ahman Green and doubt I keep S. Moss unless I don't hear good news on Bush or Deuce.
103I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 13:02
Well... here comes the Big games... we should have a good idea in a couple hours how things will be stacking up. It's been a fun year, and look forward to seeing ya'll again next year.
104I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 14:17
Might need a stat adjustment on Kevin Curtis' TD. Right now, its showing in Fanball, but as a 0 point (since he recovered a fumble for the TD)... I believe ALL TDs count.
105I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 23:23
MC... can I get a confirmation on wether on not Curtis' 1st TD will get credited for 6 points or not?
106Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Mon, Dec 24, 2007, 00:32
IAC, the rule is that all TD's scored by individual players count towards the individual's fantasy score. The Vrabel Rule has always been in effect in RIFC, and we're using those rules here for the most part.

Curtis' fumble recovery TD will be counted.
107I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Mon, Dec 24, 2007, 17:16
FYI - I think it'll require a "manual" adjustment. Currently Curtis is listed as having 13.8 points, but that should actually be 19.8 points for (78yds rec + rec td + fum td).
108TB
      ID: 111048300
      Mon, Dec 24, 2007, 23:23
Congrats on a great season IAC. You've really dominated in fantasy sports for the last couple years and it's no surprise to see you come out on top our inaugral season.

Merry Christmas to everyone as well.
109 Mötley Crüe
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Tue, Dec 25, 2007, 13:01
Yes, Congratulations, I_AM_CANADIAN. Your victory was no less impressive despite being the probable outcome for most of the season. Your team was like the Patriots of our league.

I added in your 6 points, by the way.

As a reminder, trading is once again allowed. Please post any trades in here and e-mail me in order to notify the league and make the trade official.

Great season, everyone. Thanks for the diligent efforts this year; the league was very competitive and a lot of fun.
110The Beezer
      ID: 121028256
      Tue, Dec 25, 2007, 13:20
Congrats IAC. You're quite a force in this format. Looking forward to the off-season.
111I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Tue, Dec 25, 2007, 15:22
Thanks guys... was just trying to stay as active as possible. Luckily football is the type of "system" that I can still focus on, due to the way the waiver system is setup. I pretty much gave up on hockey and baseball years ago (although they had been the sports most cherished to me in my childhood).

FYI - I'd love to hear some trade talk in this offseason. I won't be having a great spot in the draft, so I gotta make sure that I'm SOLD on my 5 keepers. I got a pile of QBs and TEs that may interest certain players for the longterm... I'd most likely be looking to make a move for a franchise WR.
112I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Tue, Dec 25, 2007, 15:29
RE 109... What about FA moves? Is that locked down till after the draft?
114I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Tue, Dec 25, 2007, 21:13
I know it's early to start considering changing the rules... but I thought beyond our 5 keepers that we'll be keeping, I thought it might be kewl if we had 1-2 "optional" IDP keepers. I think this would make IDP a little more than an afterthought at least. Then next year, if it works well, maybe we can increase the # of IDP keepers again.

Thoughts?
115GoatLocker
      Leader
      ID: 060151121
      Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 00:13
Congrats IAC.
Also, Merry Christmas to everybody.

Had a great season and really loved the format.

Time to look and see where I need to head.

Cliff
116leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 09:16
IAC - congrats to a great season. TB, congrats to making it to the finals. We have a good group of guys here, and I look forward to continued success of the league going forward.

Re 109 - I think free agent pickups are frozen...only trades are allowed.

Re 114 - I definitely think we should institute some sort of IDP Keeper Rule (seemy post 62). It is likely too late to install this for 2008, but 2009 should be looked into. IDP's will be too much of an afterthought because we are only keeping 5 players, so a 5+1 (or 2) rule is probably a good idea.

As I said earlier, I will be looking to trade some of my picks going into the draft to upgrade my keepers. Ideally, I'd like a keepable QB going into next season.
117I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 13:48
RE 116: Email sent about trade.
118Challenger
      Sustainer
      ID: 481126818
      Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 23:50
Congrats IAC!! Also, Congrats to TB on making the finals with the toughest playoff schedule - facing #3, #2, & then #1.

MC, I would recommend you set a date for a firm ya or nay on returning, so there is time to find adequate replacement(s) if needed before we announce our keepers.

At this time I plan to be back for next season.

119I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 00:59
Errr... ya, in case I didn't make it know yet either... "I'll be back" (in an Arnold-like voice).
120I_AM_CANADIAN
      Donor
      ID: 1361448
      Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 15:10
Offseason deal has been made:

to Leggestand:

Ben Roethlisberger (1st year of 10th round contract) +
Larry Fitzgerald (1st year of 3rd round contract) +
19th round pick (19.14)

to IAC:

Roddy White (1st year of 24th round contract) +
7th round pick (7.01)

At first look, some may think the deal looks "un-even", but it's really a case of my team having TOO MANY potential keepers right now, and trying to improve my draft for next year.
121leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 15:34
I confirm the trade.

I am also working on a roster spreadsheet that should be beneficial to everyone to play around with leading up to next year, so, look for that in the next couple weeks.
122MC outta town
      ID: 350291516
      Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 17:37
I'll be back in town this weekend and I'll write more at that point.

Personally, these kinds of trades are why I wish we would have locked offseason transactions. But as they're allowed under the rules, I can't see anything to complain about really. This trade increases parity, and that's good for the league.

I've already compiled roster spreadsheets for the official records. Additionally I have a sheet with all of the team transactions made throughout the season. I'll e-mail them out to the league after I clean them up and format them.
123leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 17:41
Sounds good, MC. If you need any help with the spreadsheet, just let me know.
124 I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 22421019
      Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 11:15
BTW. Should anyone still be checking this... I'm still wishing to improve my draft for next year.

If you have an offer for any of my players... feel free to send me it.
125Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 08:34
spam BUTT
126TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 06:42
I think it's going to be fun trying to pick our keepers. I have more than 5 I'd like to keep.
127I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 292481818
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 13:47
The interesting thing will be... whichever you have ranked top 5 right now, may not still be the same 5 come draft day.
128leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 18:17
I have put together a spreadsheet showing our rosters in draft format (i.e. each pick and the round he corresponds to). This should be useful, particularly as we declare keepers and get closer to the draft.

Since I don't know how to post it, I have emailed it to Dave, so, that maybe he could set up a link like he does with the RI_C standings pages?
129Mötley Crüe
      ID: 57222715
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 17:05
Hmm, I've neglected my duties as commissioner once again. Sorry I never got around to compiling the promised spreadsheet and sending to everyone.

leggestand, I'll check out what you've sent me and then forward it to everyone else if it matches up with my records. Thanks a lot for taking the time to work that.
130leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 17:23
No prob, Erik, and I don't mean to step on any toes. I just needed a spreadsheet like the one I sent to see where the draft currently stands. It helps me see where I will have picks and organize keepers that I think other owners are leaning towards. Helps with the strategy...

Looking forward to the next year already!
131I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 292481818
      Sat, Mar 29, 2008, 13:34
You would... drafting first in EVERY round... that's nuts!

132I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 292481818
      Thu, Apr 03, 2008, 09:54
Just for confirmation... since Legge won the "toilet bowl", this should be the drafting spots for each round next year correct?

1. Leggestand
2. Skeepers
3. Hubble's Bunch
4. Sludge Sloppy Seconds
5. Beezer's Heinz 57s
6. Tax Regulators
7. Snoop Dougg
8. Mötley Crüe
9. TB
10. GoatLocker's Bums
11. RotoGuru Klingons
12. Chall's Bad Boyz
13. Oaktown Raiders
14. IAC's Keepers
133leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Thu, Apr 03, 2008, 13:41
Ben - That's what I also assumed and is how I set it up in my spreadsheet. If that was wrong, then we'll have to re-arrange some of the columns.
134 Challenger
      Sustainer
      ID: 481126818
      Thu, Apr 03, 2008, 17:46
legge, Could you please send me a copy of your spreadsheet. Thinking on a trade and want to see where I would stand as far as the draft.

Thanks
135 I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 292481818
      Thu, Apr 03, 2008, 18:42
Me 2

;)
136leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 09:16
Just sent guys. I am open to trading also, but it really looks like I have very little to give except for early draft picks.
137I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 292481818
      Mon, Apr 07, 2008, 09:00
Thx Legge.
138 Mötley Crüe
      ID: 2650711
      Fri, Jul 04, 2008, 11:00
I sent out a message to the league yesterday to get an idea about who is coming back for 2008. Beezer's e-mail bounced the message back with an error. Just in case anyone else didn't get the message, I'll repost it here.

RG Keeper 14 League Managers,

I'm gearing up for the new season and I wanted to touch base with everyone in the league to make sure you are coming back for 2008. Please hit me back at this e-mail address and let me know your plans. If anyone is not sure or is leaning toward dropping out, please help me by telling me now rather than later.

We'll talk soon about the keeper declarations and the draft (mid-August start). For now, though, I'm looking for input on availability for the whole season. Actually, if you could also forward any possible conflicting vacation plans that would be great, too.

Erik (Mötley)

139 The Beezer
      Dude
      ID: 191202817
      Fri, Jul 04, 2008, 19:00
Thanks MC for posting this - I changed email addresses and apparently didn't have yours in the mail I sent out about the change. My new address is attached.

I'm in but will have limited access the last half of July - August should be no problem though.
140TB
      ID: 395122110
      Sun, Jul 06, 2008, 16:59
I just got back from vacation and replied to your email. I'm looking forward to another fun season.
141 Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 04:26
I can't find where I received a copy of Legstand's spread sheet. Would someone fwd me a copy please? Thanks.
142leggestand
      ID: 25452312
      Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 14:49
Just sent it Tax.
143Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 15:20
Got it..thanks Matthew
144Doug
      ID: 37632200
      Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 01:53
I should be in but unfortunately may have a week of unavailability in mid-to-late August... dates TBD.
145Mötley Crüe
      ID: 2650711
      Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 12:41
I still haven't heard from Challenger. I think everyone else replied. We may have a vacancy. I'm trying to work that out. If we wind up having one (or two) I'll want to solicit league input for invitations to replacements.
146Challenger
      Sustainer
      ID: 481126818
      Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 13:29
Huhhhh, I replied just as soon as I received the email. But after checking my records, I probably didn't hit "send". So, ya I'll be back. Sorry if it held things up. (Just proves those memory pills don't work)
147 I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 16601918
      Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 17:35
bump #124

"BTW. Should anyone still be checking this... I'm still wishing to improve my draft for next year.

If you have an offer for any of my players... feel free to send me it."
148I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 466141317
      Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 10:45
So what type of timetables are we looking at for upcoming events? When will we declare our keepers/start drafting?

I noticed that the RIFC starting drafting last year around the 15th of August... I think I personally would like it if we can start "slightly" before that.
149I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 466141317
      Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 10:49
RE: 54/56

Are we still considering the possibility of some rule "adjustments"? How about possible expansion?
150 M�tley Cr�e
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 11:11
I_A_C et al,

I think the draft is going to wind up starting the week of the 18th of August. I think we're looking at something like 20 rounds, with most managers probably keeping 5 players. I will be out of the country until 15 August, so I'd prefer to start after that. I don't want to go to Europe and have to draft. With a shorter draft than RIFC, it shouldn't take us long to knock it out, either.

Regarding expansion, it may be difficult to configure this year. At this point, Sludge needs to be replaced. He is out for sure. So we will need a new manager, and I'd like it to be someone of the proper caliber for this league.

I am going to start a new thread laying out our issues and re-posting the rules later today. If you have any suggestions on rules tweaks, go ahead and list them and I'll add them to our list of topics for the new thread.

Keeper declarations will likely be due sometime on or about 17 August.
151I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 466141317
      Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 11:16
I got no problem starting a little later than the RIFC, since as you mentioned we'll be hitting off less rounds... but I'd like a little more "mock time", meaning, if we can have the keepers set about a week prior (or more), then I can at least have a good idea of which picks will be open, and who will already be off the board for the first few rounds.

As far as rule changes go... I don't think many managers will be keeping IDP, so I think we should ADD to the 5 keepers, maybe 2 IDPs that we would have the option of keeping.
153 boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Fri, Aug 01, 2008, 13:45
I am open to any offers for players or picks.
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