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Subject: Poker - Guess What The Donkey Has
Posted by: swami
- [7659420] Fri, Aug 04, 2006, 19:20
This should be fun. Here's hand #1. Let's focus on hailsaliaise here. I'll post the results after a few guesses.
PokerStars Game #5798149708: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2006/08/04 - 19:14:13 (ET)
Table 'Thisbe' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: DaSwam ($5.48 in chips)
Seat 2: jefmeister ($8.05 in chips)
Seat 4: rizzdaddy ($0.74 in chips)
Seat 5: popandbrop ($8.57 in chips)
Seat 6: hailsaliaise ($5.50 in chips)
Seat 7: drunksailor1 ($5.83 in chips)
Seat 8: Hu1v6Tru01v6 ($2.75 in chips)
Seat 9: thePoker_CEO ($4.30 in chips)
hailsaliaise: posts small blind $0.02
drunksailor1: posts big blind $0.05
ChaosMaster2: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DaSwam [As Ah]
Hu1v6Tru01v6: folds
thePoker_CEO: folds
DaSwam: raises $0.15 to $0.20
jefmeister: folds
rizzdaddy: raises $0.54 to $0.74 and is all-in
popandbrop: folds
hailsaliaise: calls $0.72
drunksailor1: calls $0.69
DaSwam: raises $4.74 to $5.48 and is all-in
hailsaliaise: raises $0.02 to $5.50 and is all-in
drunksailor1: folds |
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| 61 | tommyd
ID: 2832309
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 13:18
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I likee the 4/7 off but 6 / 5 off would not surprise me either.
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| 62 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 13:44
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Flopped 2nd pair, with a decent kicker, so, he has an 8. He went all-in thinking you had nothing, but even if did call, he figured he had some outs. Turn gave him a big advantage as he hit his 2nd pair with the Q. So, he obviously had Q 8 in the hole.
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| 63 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 13:49
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Sorry to be misleading guys....but you are all thinking donkey with a little "d".
You need to be thinking Donkey with a big "D"
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| 64 | Deadeye
ID: 45929912
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 13:50
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this is tourney he went with straigth draw... and didn't mind losing.
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| 65 | Deadeye
ID: 45929912
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 13:53
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definitely not all in on middle pair... he went all in on the straight draw or flush draw.. easy non call by weykool
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| 66 | Deadeye
ID: 45929912
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 13:53
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55!?
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| 67 | KM
ID: 319311512
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 13:58
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2/3 clubs
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| 68 | wolfer
ID: 575582311
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:01
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Someone had to say this. The infamous 2c 7c.
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| 69 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:06
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All in on 5-5 I would not consider him a Donkey considering that I showed weakness.
In that case I would be the Donkey for letting him catch his card.
2-3 of clubs would be bad, but not quite it.
Hint: he didnt win with a flush.
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| 70 | Deadeye
ID: 45929912
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:07
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q 5 is all it can be then
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| 71 | KM
ID: 319311512
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:09
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Hmm, well if he's not a donkey for pushing with a pair, that means he had to make a str8 or 2 pair on turn/river. 4/7 and 9/7 were rejected. So the only hand left is:
Q5
I'd like to think it was Q5 spades, but I bet it wasn't.
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| 72 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:11
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Good guess:
Q-5os
Needless to say I was on tilt and ended up losing the match when I went all in with 4-4 and he called with Q-8os and hit his queen.
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| 73 | KM
ID: 319311512
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:15
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That's rough. My HUD stats display every losing hand on the screen, and only twice have I been pushed all in with a hand that had to hit two pair on turn/river. Both times it happened just like that, for a combined $700.
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| 74 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:22
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It sux when a guy is pushing and raising on every hand and you know he has nothing most of the time and you are just waiting to sucker him into making a stupid play and he ends up sucking out like that.
And dont try to console me with "thats poker"....this was just sheer stupidity being rewarded.
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| 75 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:23
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Does his play really constitute a "donkey" play? My view of a donkey is someone who makes bad calls, and this guy didn't do that. He pushed all in as a scare tactic, hoping you had nothing. Unfortunately for him (or fortunately after the river), you had something.
I know I have put a bunch of money in the pot (seldom all in, though) when I am pretty sure I am behind because my opponent shows weakness. Sometimes I get caught with my pants around my ankles, but more often than not, I pick up the pot.
Now, if you pushed all in and he calls, that would be donkeyriffic.
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| 76 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:30
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I think it qualifies because he was raising practically every hand.
His entire play was that of a Donkey.
I understand your point we have all made aggressive plays like that and been handed our walking papers.
When you do it almost every hand...then you are a Donkey.
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| 77 | KM
ID: 319311512
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:35
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If he called an all-in, that is beyond donkey, that's practically not knowing the rules of the game. Donkey doesn't mean just bad calls, or not drawing with odds, a donkey is just one who makes bad plays, -EV plays.
He is risking his entire chipstack of 1,000, for a 200 pot, with NO outs (practically, besides his miracle). It's not the worst play I've ever seen, but betting 1x or 1.5x the pot here serves the bluff purpose, and alows him to fold if dominated. Pushing all-in screams bluff overbet, probably increasing the chance OP calls, while simulataneously risking more than he needs to with a virtually outless bluff. Maybe a TAG can do this and get away with it, but a maniac is just being a donkey here.
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| 78 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:47
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KM, he doesn't know he has no outs, though. Considering the donk raised pre-flop, maybe he was just posturing. Have you ever tried to play a hand like you had something else? I have...I look down at 75 and tell myself I have AK and play it accordingly. It's pretty neat the cards you can make someone believe you have.
I agree, though, the all-in play screams bluff, but would you still call it if you didn't have 99 or better? Lots of bad players don't understand their own table image, so, because weykool picked up on this guy , doesn't mean this guy knew he was setting himself up.
But, yeah, donkey should of bet 1x the pot, and when weykool calls, start thinking. But then the Q would come on the turn, and it would of been too late, as I am sure donk calls anything weykool does and still sucks out 2 pair.
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| 79 | KM
ID: 319311512
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 15:00
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Yeah I understand he was posturing. My point is that his bluff was still virtually outless, and he had to know it. If you hold Q5o with a K 8 6 board, bluff, and are called... really the best you are hoping for is that you were called a pair smaller than Kings, and that you could spike a Q.
7/9, 7/5, spades are all semi-bluffs where I could push here and know, for certain, than I am not essentially drawing dead. Q/5o... well first I have to hope I was called with a pair smaller than Ks, and then I only have three queens to spike. I still consider this a virtually outless bluff, as I bet he did too.
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| 80 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 15:19
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I get what you are saying. He either wins 150 or loses it all, so, it's non-sensical for him to push all in. He didn't want to be called, so, if he didn't, he shouldn't of risked so much.
But, even if he beat me, he is still the guy I would love to play with (again - in weykool's instance).
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| 81 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 16:39
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#78, I doubt weykool just calls a pot-sized bet on the flop. A sizeable raise would have left the donk with no choice but to fold. Granted, he is a donk and just might move over the top, but if weykool is smart and makes his 200$ bet 700$ to go, even a donk knows a 300$ raise all-in isn't going to do anything...
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| 82 | swami
ID: 397233121
Sat, Nov 11, 2006, 22:27
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I had to post this one. Some serious donkey play here. This guy had been making plays back at me every time I entered. I picked the wrong time to make the move, but I won the hand. What did he have here?
PokerStars Game #6988356733: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/11/11 - 22:21:51 (ET)
Table 'Musca' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: rocky923 ($26.30 in chips)
Seat 4: DaSwam ($21.65 in chips)
Seat 6: AAAAfouraces ($18.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Ace-Josh ($20.20 in chips)
Seat 8: niveknehc ($27.35 in chips)
Seat 9: kja04 ($15.60 in chips)
niveknehc: posts small blind $0.10
kja04: posts big blind $0.25
amditbwy: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DaSwam [Kd Qs]
Shannen joins the table at seat #3
rocky923: folds
DaSwam: raises $0.75 to $1
Shannen is sitting out
AAAAfouraces: folds
Ace-Josh: calls $1
niveknehc: folds
kja04: folds
*** FLOP *** [4s 6h 4c]
DaSwam: bets $1
Ace-Josh: raises $1.50 to $2.50
DaSwam: raises $4.25 to $6.75
Ace-Josh: calls $4.25
*** TURN *** [4s 6h 4c] [8d]
DaSwam: bets $13.90 and is all-in
Ace-Josh: calls $12.45 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [4s 6h 4c 8d] [Kc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DaSwam: shows [Kd Qs] (two pair, Kings and Fours)
Ace-Josh: mucks hand
DaSwam collected $38.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $40.75 | Rake $2
Board [4s 6h 4c 8d Kc]
Seat 4: DaSwam showed [Kd Qs] and won ($38.75) with two pair, Kings and Fours
Seat 7: Ace-Josh (button) mucked ???
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| 83 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sat, Nov 11, 2006, 22:36
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I will take 8-6os for $200 Alex
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| 84 | rockafellerskank
ID: 49136120
Sat, Nov 11, 2006, 22:51
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3c-6c
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| 85 | DE
ID: 29161022
Sat, Nov 11, 2006, 22:56
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qq
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| 86 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 06:47
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A donkey would not have QQ.
I think I change my vote to 6-2os.
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| 87 | swami
ID: 397233121
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 09:09
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You guys are giving him too much credit. This was some serious donkey stuff.
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| 88 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 11:22
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7-2os
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| 89 | swami
ID: 397233121
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 11:59
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T9c. I guess he had an inside straight draw for his entire stack, and both his cards were still live when he made the call. I acutally apologized in the chat once the K fell thinking he made a good read when I sucked out. I guess my push was the right move as I was ahead.
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| 90 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 12:31
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I always push all in with 10 high....its the nuts.
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| 91 | Sludge
ID: 45541422
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 12:54
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My wife pushed all in in a tourney with KK in a tourney and got called by a guy who barely had more chips than her. He turns over 72 and then starts complaining about how 72 never wins for him after she doubles up.
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| 92 | DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Mon, Nov 13, 2006, 10:52
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J7o.
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| 93 | rockafellerskank
ID: 51281619
Tue, May 15, 2007, 23:27
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Been a while since someone posted here. James& is a (8.5,3) but the first time I played with him. Plays 100% (really) of hands, then becomes a calling station. He sucked out 2x already on me for $50 to $100 all-ins. he was always a short stack for obvious reasons.
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Stage #657937933: Holdem No Limit $2 - 2007-05-15 23:08:51 (ET)
Table: MALAWI HWY (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - JAMES7 ($135.75 in chips)
Seat 5 - SKANKBOY1 ($369.90 in chips)
Seat 1 - STANZACAMRY ($204.06 in chips)
SKANKBOY1 - Posts small blind $1
STANZACAMRY - Posts big blind $2
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SKANKBOY1 [Ac As]
JAMES7 - Raises $6 to $6
SKANKBOY1 - Calls $5
STANZACAMRY - Folds
*** FLOP *** [2c 7h 5s]
SKANKBOY1 - Checks
JAMES7 - Bets $14
SKANKBOY1 - Calls $14
*** TURN *** [2c 7h 5s] [10d]
SKANKBOY1 - Checks
JAMES7 - Bets $34
SKANKBOY1 - Raises $82 to $82
JAMES7 - Calls $48
*** RIVER *** [2c 7h 5s 10d] [4c]
SKANKBOY1 - Bets $34
JAMES7 - All-In $33.75
SKANKBOY1 - returned ($0.25) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SKANKBOY1 - Shows [Ac As] (One pair, aces)
JAMES7 - Shows [??,??]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($273.50) | Rake ($2)
Board [2c 7h 5s 10d 4c]
Seat 1: STANZACAMRY (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: JAMES7 (dealer)
Seat 5: SKANKBOY1 (small blind)
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Guess what the donkey had??
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| 94 | xpdurmind
ID: 48312323
Wed, May 16, 2007, 00:13
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10 4 unsuited
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| 95 | rockafellerskank
ID: 450122417
Wed, May 16, 2007, 13:30
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You're giving him too much credit.
7-4off
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| 96 | swami
ID: 75542011
Wed, May 16, 2007, 15:03
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But he had top pair on the flop, and top pair is ALWAYS the nuts!!
Thanks for reviving this. I'll have to keep my eye out for some new ones.
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| 97 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, May 16, 2007, 19:55
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I don't know what donkey means and I am no where as experienced as you guys, but you slow-played aces. He had $54 in the pot when you made him add another $48 to call your check-raise. At this point maybe he thinks you have A-10. Sucks to call at this point, but with almost half his stack in he probably felt commited.
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| 98 | swami
ID: 534201620
Thu, May 17, 2007, 23:08
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Didn't get to see their hands, but the river folds had me crying I was laughing so hard.
PokerStars Game #9970482366: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/05/17 - 23:02:06 (ET)
Table 'Rarahu' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: nighthawk955 ($9.60 in chips)
Seat 2: DaSwam ($107.50 in chips)
Seat 3: pappi41 ($50.25 in chips)
Seat 4: xaponet ($50.65 in chips)
Seat 5: Bunpy ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: JacksmyName ($7.10 in chips)
Seat 7: ljsoraya21 ($38.95 in chips)
Seat 8: vluff ($53.80 in chips)
Seat 9: bjar-44 ($58.20 in chips)
nighthawk955: posts small blind $0.25
DaSwam: posts big blind $0.50
Bunpy: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DaSwam [Qs 7s]
pappi41: raises $0.50 to $1
xaponet: folds
Bunpy: folds
JacksmyName: calls $1
ljsoraya21: calls $1
vluff is disconnected
vluff has timed out while disconnected
vluff: folds
vluff is sitting out
bjar-44: folds
nighthawk955: calls $0.75
DaSwam: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [Js 8c 2c]
nighthawk955: checks
DaSwam: checks
pappi41: bets $2.50
JacksmyName: calls $2.50
ljsoraya21: folds
nighthawk955: calls $2.50
DaSwam: folds
*** TURN *** [Js 8c 2c] [3s]
nighthawk955: checks
pappi41: bets $2.50
vluff is connected
JacksmyName: calls $2.50
nighthawk955: calls $2.50
*** RIVER *** [Js 8c 2c 3s] [7d]
nighthawk955: checks
pappi41: bets $2.50
vluff has returned
JacksmyName: folds
nighthawk955: folds
pappi41 collected $19.55 from pot
pappi41: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.50 | Rake $0.95
Board [Js 8c 2c 3s 7d]
Seat 1: nighthawk955 (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: DaSwam (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: pappi41 collected ($19.55)
Seat 4: xaponet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Bunpy folded before Flop
Seat 6: JacksmyName folded on the River
Seat 7: ljsoraya21 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: vluff folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: bjar-44 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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| 99 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Fri, May 18, 2007, 11:54
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missed club draws likely....not horrible for the low bets
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| 100 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Mon, May 05, 2008, 21:46
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I'm trying to teach the girl to play poker. We're playing $.10/$.20 so....
PokerStars Game #17231143779: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/05/05 - 21:40:07 (ET)
Table 'Mayall' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: PiS.Juliam ($61.10 in chips)
Seat 2: zeller72 ($47.65 in chips)
Seat 3: gatorback7 ($38.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Poker92118 ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 5: skankboy ($31.65 in chips)
Seat 6: TMflopwell ($103.10 in chips)
Poker92118: posts small blind $0.25
skankboy: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to skankboy [8d 3c]
TMflopwell: folds
PiS.Juliam: folds
zeller72: folds
gatorback7: calls $0.50
Poker92118: calls $0.25
skankboy: checks
*** FLOP *** [4c Tc Kc]
Poker92118: checks
skankboy: checks
gatorback7: bets $0.50
Poker92118: folds
skankboy: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [4c Tc Kc] [9c]
skankboy: checks
gatorback7: bets $1.50
skankboy: raises $2.50 to $4
gatorback7: calls $2.50
*** RIVER *** [4c Tc Kc 9c] [Qc]
skankboy: checks
gatorback7: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
skankboy: shows [8d 3c] (a flush, King high)
gatorback7: shows [X X ]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.50 | Rake $0.50
Board [4c Tc Kc 9c Qc]
Seat 1: PiS.Juliam folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: zeller72 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: gatorback7 (button) showed [X-X]
Seat 4: Poker92118 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: skankboy (big blind) showed [8d 3c] and won with a flush, King high
Seat 6: TMflopwell folded before Flop (didn't bet)
OK, guess what gatorback7 called the raise on the turn with?????
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| 101 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Mon, May 05, 2008, 21:47
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errr, we're playing $.25/$50 apparently.
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| 102 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Mon, May 05, 2008, 22:29
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What I'm I missing here? Wouldn't you be playing the board?
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| 103 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Mon, May 05, 2008, 22:31
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I did play the board after the river.... what do you think he called with she raised on the turn?
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| 104 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Mon, May 05, 2008, 22:32
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KsTs
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| 105 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Mon, May 05, 2008, 22:44
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let's put it this way.... the hand he turned was so surprising, I had a hard time explaining poker fundamentals to her.
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| 106 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Mon, May 05, 2008, 22:46
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Ac 10s
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| 107 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Mon, May 05, 2008, 22:47
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Nevermind. You chopped, right?
6h2s
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| 108 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Mon, May 05, 2008, 22:48
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Qh 6h chop-chop
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| 109 | beastiemiked
ID: 402141714
Tue, May 06, 2008, 16:45
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How did you explain calling the flop bet to her?
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| 110 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Tue, May 06, 2008, 17:29
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She made the call, but his 0.50 bet made the pot $2.00, so she was calling $0.50 to win $2 equaling 4 to 1 payoff on her money with a 35% +/- chance of hitting he flush and possibly getting paid better. That's as far as we got as she didn't take into account her flush card was only a 3. If the river doesn't come club, she would have to fold to a pot size bet as she would have been out flushed, likely. I don't think the call on the flop was bad. The turn bet was to see where she was.... so we both thought he had a club, thus no river bet (to try to bluff).
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