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Subject: Lost - Season 3
Posted by: RecycledSpinalFluid
- Dude [204401122] Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 01:15
To (semi-)quote Jack: "I think I'm going to have to watch that again..." before making comments.
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| 242 | tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Thu, May 24, 2007, 22:19
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So I Just watched it again and it was definitely bens idea not to kill Jin sayid and Bernard and Tom was upset because he wanted to kill them.
Does someone know how long rousseau has been on the island? That transmission is 16 years old, im assuming she made that transmission on the island. She said she made it 3 days before Alex was born meaning that prior to Claire Danielle actually gave birth on the island. Did they kidnap danielle and give her the 'medicine'?
Watching it over again i do see jacks mental state is definitely in question, but like was previously posted, he did mention it to the chief of surgery to get his dad and see who was more drunk.
Did Locke really need to kill Naomi? Couldnt he have pointed the gun at her and told her to drop it?
No way a songwriter from Driveshaft can figure out good vibrations on a number pad on 1 try.
So did charlie really have to die? Seems to me it was self fulfilling prophecy. He couldve run and closed the door before the grenade was set off.
Is Mickael superhuman?
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| 243 | Tree
ID: 37462420
Thu, May 24, 2007, 23:00
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Does someone know how long rousseau has been on the island? That transmission is 16 years old, im assuming she made that transmission on the island. She said she made it 3 days before Alex was born meaning that prior to Claire Danielle actually gave birth on the island. Did they kidnap danielle and give her the 'medicine'?
it's not about birth. it's about conception. women who conceived on the island, died.
Watching it over again i do see jacks mental state is definitely in question, but like was previously posted, he did mention it to the chief of surgery to get his dad and see who was more drunk.
right. and he was high and drunk when he said that.
Did Locke really need to kill Naomi? Couldnt he have pointed the gun at her and told her to drop it?
it was time for Locke to man up and start f*cking people up, Rambo style.
No way a songwriter from Driveshaft can figure out good vibrations on a number pad on 1 try.
as explained on another board i'm on:
"the thing about the system is that it's based on what you call a "movable Do." So if you know the tune, the numbers will be the same...I only chose C major because I thought it would be clearer to just use the white keys. It's just solfege with numbers instead of "Do Re Mi"s
With a simple tune that doesn't modulate it will always work...any first year music student could write out most pop songs in numbers. The only problem is that if you're limited to 9 buttons/numbers, you're limited to basically the range of an octave. I believe the Looking Glass keypad went higher...
Somewhere over the Rainbow: 1875678143
theme to Star Wars: 1543265432654342
Let it Be: 55645589 10 10 10 9988 10 10 11 10 10 9 10 98
Wanted Dead or Alive: 668666 10 98986865676
etc... You can also see how it is a great system for generating long strings of numbers and still remembering them."
So did charlie really have to die? Seems to me it was self fulfilling prophecy. He couldve run and closed the door before the grenade was set off.
Desmond's vision had charlie dying. if he didn't die, the vision of Claire getting rescued, wouldn't have happened.
here's an interview with Damon Lindelof explaining it a bit more...
Is Mickael superhuman? no more so than Locke, or anyone else who seems to be able to tap into the Island's ability to heal people with extraordinary injuries...
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| 244 | tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Thu, May 24, 2007, 23:53
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I know its not about birth, but they medicated claire to allegedly help save her. If they didnt medicate Rousseau and they obviously know she gave birth to a healthy girl why did they need to kidnap claire and drug her?
Locke may have killed Naomi to stop her from receiving transmission but he couldnt kill Jack or even take the phone away from him. In hindsight, instead of throwing a knife into someones back and killing them who you dont even know, how about telling her to drop the phone, I have a gun pointing at you and hand it over. Considering Locke to my knowledge has never killed anyone...he tried to kill patchy, it seems a pretty far stretch to kill a girl for no good reason except he doesnt want her to use the phone that he lets jack use 1 minute later. Is that really manning up?
Charlie really just needed to flip a switch. That was what was needed for them to be saved. It just so happens in Desmonds vision charlie drowns afterward. You dont think thats self fulfilling. Her radio was on when he decoded the station, so why exactly does he need to die?
That response to charlie figuring out the code is still doubtful to get it on one shot. But really, thats minor.
Locke got shot in the stomach and was in a pit for what, 2 days? He had a blast door fall on his legs and was out for a couple of weeks. Naomi had a branch go through her and was out for 2 days. Patchy was harpooned through the chest and unconcious, and 10 minutes later pulled the spear out, put on his scuba equipment, got a grenade, swam to the other side of the hatch and detonated the grenade? I would think like Richard, he has some sort of extra power. I understand people heal quickly on the island, but no one heals that quick.
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| 245 | Boxman
ID: 211139621
Fri, May 25, 2007, 06:23
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I know its not about birth, but they medicated claire to allegedly help save her. If they didnt medicate Rousseau and they obviously know she gave birth to a healthy girl why did they need to kidnap claire and drug her?
What if they don't need the vaccine at all? The island has shown the ability to judge who lives and who dies.
Considering Locke to my knowledge has never killed anyone...he tried to kill patchy, it seems a pretty far stretch to kill a girl for no good reason except he doesnt want her to use the phone that he lets jack use 1 minute later. Is that really manning up?
Just like how Jack wants to get off the island, Locke wants to stay on the island. Jack has shown that he'll do anything to get home and Locke has shown the same type of resolve.
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| 246 | tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Fri, May 25, 2007, 06:28
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But he didnt. He didnt kill Jack, he didnt even take the phone from him. How is that doing anything he can to stay on the island?
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| 247 | Tree
ID: 55433255
Fri, May 25, 2007, 06:49
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I know its not about birth, but they medicated claire to allegedly help save her.
no. Ethan medicated Claire. he did this on his own, without Ben's approval. he was only supposed to collect samples from her, but decided on his own to do more.
Locke may have killed Naomi to stop her from receiving transmission but he couldnt kill Jack or even take the phone away from him.
which lends credence to the theory that the island holds "control" over certain people - Ben and Locke both seem locked into some of the powers of the Island, and Richard and Mikael do as well.
he also didn't know Naomi, so it may have been easier. his father, and Jack, he knew, so killing them may have weigher heavier on him.
Charlie really just needed to flip a switch. That was what was needed for them to be saved. It just so happens in Desmonds vision charlie drowns afterward. You dont think thats self fulfilling. Her radio was on when he decoded the station, so why exactly does he need to die?
do we know that? Desmond's vision saw Claire getting into a helicopter. it also saw Charlie dying after flipping the switch. if the "Charlie dying" part of the vision doesn't come true, then how do we know the "Claire getting into a helicopter" part does?
it was established earlier that by saving Charlie, the rest of Desmond's visions didn't come true.
That response to charlie figuring out the code is still doubtful to get it on one shot.
he already knew the first five numbers, because Bonny told him - so to go from there, if you're a trained musician, isn't a huge stretch.
I understand people heal quickly on the island, but no one heals that quick.
and there are no "smoke monsters" and "secret islands that are undetectable by radar and have an elaborate system of underground hatches and passages and brain-zapping sonic death rays" and so on and so on.
not ALL people heal quickly on the island. Boone, Shannon, Ana-Lucia, Eko, Libby, and dozens of others DIED on the island - some of them from, ta-dah, gunshots to the gut.
*some* people heal quickly on the island. it is a sci-fi fantasy show, and if you're not willing to tap into mythos like that, you're going to start to not enjoy the show.
He didnt kill Jack, he didnt even take the phone from him. How is that doing anything he can to stay on the island?
i think we'll see more later, but i'm guessing that he knows what Ben knows - making that call isn't going to get them off the island. it'll bring even more doom and gloom to them...
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| 248 | tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 08:09
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So you think Ethan, who was a doctor and wanted claire to give up this baby to the others was not trying to save Claire's baby by giving injections?
Both you and boxman are saying Locke is doing everything he can not to be rescued. So much so that he is now killing people so they cannot get rescued. It is a contradiction to say he will do everything he can to not let them or him off the island and then let them use the phone to get off the island. When Boone died it was a sacrfice that the island demanded. He died with purpose. Naomi just got killed for no good reason. The only out on this that I can see is that Walt told Locke that his job was to kill the girl with the radio at all costs. Not get the radio from the castaways.
Yes, we know that for people to get saved charlie needed to flip the switch. In the interview you linked to Damon Lindelof does not suggest that charlie had to die for sacrifice but that he had to die because they cant keep messing with the audience and the integrity of the show. You cant tease people for 3 more years of Charlie is going to die. It had to have a conclusion. Im saying I think charlie shouldve been killed but really it should have been a sacrifice, not a choice. As soon as the code was punched it, it shouldve done something like explode the hatch, like desmond turning the fail safe key in the swan. Charlie had ample time to leave. Since he had already done his job he did not have to die. Tell me tree, what purpose does it serve for Charlie to die aside from Desmond saying he had to die. He had unjammed the signal, Naomi had the signal. Why wouldnt those same events occur with Charlie in the station alive rather than dead?
Lots of people have died on the island. I didnt say anything about that. I said that was impossibly quick to heal and fully recover. Granted its a tv show, but it feels a little forced to have patchy blow up the station 10 minutes after getting speared through the heart without Desmond hearing him get on his equipment, pull a spear out of his chest and dive into the water.
Doesnt future Jack indicate that they got off the island?
As for charlie figuring out the code...trust me, its a stretch. His fingers are practically dancing on the number pad. No hesitation at all.
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| 249 | Tree
ID: 29082512
Fri, May 25, 2007, 09:21
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So you think Ethan, who was a doctor and wanted claire to give up this baby to the others was not trying to save Claire's baby by giving injections?
maybe so - but that's not what you said originally. you said "they" on more than one occasion, which implied The Others as a group.
Ethan was acting on his own, and not as part of the greater experiement or whatever is going on.
that was the original point.
Both you and boxman are saying Locke is doing everything he can not to be rescued. So much so that he is now killing people so they cannot get rescued. It is a contradiction to say he will do everything he can to not let them or him off the island and then let them use the phone to get off the island.
you are inferring that by Jack making that phone call, they will get off the island.
i have a feeling that Locke knows Jack making that phone call will not get them off the island, and that is the case. Naomi showing Jack how to use that phone was not "filler". i think the signal to her ship that things are bad is if someone other than her makes the call.
Yes, we know that for people to get saved charlie needed to flip the switch. In the interview you linked to...
the link explained why Charlie had to die. the premonition was also why Charlie had to die. if Charlie does not die, Claire does not get on that helicopter.
Tell me tree, what purpose does it serve for Charlie to die aside from Desmond saying he had to die.
again - if you refuse to buy into the mythos of the shows, you're going to enjoy it less. the concept here is simple - REALLY simple.
the final moment of Desmond's premonition is that Claire gets on the helicopter. breaking it down, it goes like this:
Charlie flips the switch--->Charlie dies--->Claire gets on the helicopter...
if you change it to something like:
Charlie flips the switch--->Charlie lives--->Claire gets eaten by a giant moth monster...
you take away the middle segment of Desmond's premonition, the third part does not come true, because the reality/future was altered. it's a common, common them in time-travel/seer based mythos.
I said that was impossibly quick to heal and fully recover. Granted its a tv show, but it feels a little forced to have patchy blow up the station 10 minutes after getting speared through the heart without Desmond hearing him get on his equipment, pull a spear out of his chest and dive into the water.
Mikael f@cking survived a sonic death ray, even if it was only set to "stun"...he foamed at the mouth, bled from the ears and nose, and walked away. he walked away from some horrific accident that left him disfigured and blind and one eye. he has survived countless things.
it's an island with "magical" powers. anything is possible, and it affects different people in different ways. clearly, Mikael has some sort of serious connection with the island, as spearguns, grenades, sonic fences, severe beatings, and a few other things have not been able to kill him.
Doesnt future Jack indicate that they got off the island?
absolutely - we know Jack and Kate eventually get off the island. and, quite possibly a third Lostie. but that leaves 37 people unaccounted for.
1. i don't think they all get off the island. in fact, i think the vast majority of them die on the island.
2. you have to read carefully what i say, and what the show says. i said "making that call isn't going to get them off the island..." and i believe that. i believe Jack and Kate get off the island eventually, but that phone call has nothing to do with it.
3. the producers have also said everything comes back to Adam and Eve, the skeletons found in the cave. i wouldn't be surprised if there is some time loop thing, and the skeletons in the cave are Jack and Kate, Sun and Jin, or possibly Bernard and even Rose - or, in a stunner, Claire and her baby son.
As for charlie figuring out the code...trust me, its a stretch. His fingers are practically dancing on the number pad. No hesitation at all.
the guy was a rock star, and a serious musician. one of my closest friends is quite an amazing musician, and classically trained in voice and piano. but i've seen him pick up countless instruments - from the banjo to the trumpet, and play a song literally at first try. that keypad is just another instrument, and Charlie already had the first notes because Bonny told him. the rest, should have been, and was, simple.
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| 250 | tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 09:55
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original question from my previous post
She said she made it 3 days before Alex was born meaning that prior to Claire Danielle actually gave birth on the island. Did they kidnap danielle and give her the 'medicine'?
Whether "they" means Ethan or the others, the question is still valid. They knew of a woman who gave birth on the island who most likely didnt need any 'help' giving birth from the others. They then kidnapped the kid. So my question is did they give danielle these injections like they did claire? They probably did not as Ben may or may not have been the leader of the others at this time. 16 years ago would be 1988, and i think but am not sure the purge was in the early 90s.
you said i have a feeling that Locke knows Jack making that phone call will not get them off the island,
So how does Naomi making the phone call get them off the island? Why would locke kill her if the result of making that call does not get them off the island?
Show me in your link on the interview where it said charlie had to die for claire to get rescued. He said charlie had to die because "we were all just talking in the writers room and we realized it's a cheat if he lives. It wouldn’t be fair, because we've made such a big story point out of it that Charlie now has to die."
I understand this perfectly, but nowhere is it implied except in desmonds flashes that he actually has to die. You didnt explain why he has to die. He just had to flip the switch.
Self fulfilling prophecy: The self-fulfilling prophecy is, in the beginning, a false definition of the situation evoking a new behavior which makes the original false conception come 'true' This specious validity of the self-fulfilling prophecy perpetuates a reign of error. For the prophet will cite the actual course of events as proof that he was right from the very beginning.
Isnt this more accurate? Desmond led him to his fate. It didnt have to be his fate if desmond doesnt tell him to go do it. He would not have closed the door trapping him in if he wasnt told. Because he was told he would be a hero and would have to die, he chose death. Thats really REALLY REALLY simple.
Ask your friend to play a # pad of good vibrations giving him the first 3 to 5 notes. see how fast he goes.
As for patchy, then wouldnt you say he is superhuman, which was my statement from the beginning or has power beyond what most have on this island?
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| 251 | katietx
ID: 11430613
Fri, May 25, 2007, 10:05
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The whole Danielle/Claire birth thing is a moot point since the problem lies with women who conceived on the island.
Suspend your disbelief or, as Tree said, you'll not continue to enjoy the show. We will not have complete answers for 3 more seasons, and even then....
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| 252 | tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 10:24
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I can suspend disbelief, and I love the show. Does that mean i cant question the show?
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| 253 | Tree
ID: 29082512
Fri, May 25, 2007, 10:27
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She said she made it 3 days before Alex was born meaning that prior to Claire Danielle actually gave birth on the island. Did they kidnap danielle and give her the 'medicine'?
Whether "they" means Ethan or the others, the question is still valid. They knew of a woman who gave birth on the island who most likely didnt need any 'help' giving birth from the others.
birth, is not relevant in your question. conception, is the issue.
this was a big, gigantic, huge, monsterous, impossible to miss issue - it was the entire catch 22 of Sun's pregnancy.
if her child is Jin's she dies. if her child is not Jin's, she lives. a brutal, brutal conundrum.
and yes, "they" or "ethan" is relevant as well. if "they" were doing the testing, it was likely under controlled situations. if Ethan was doing rogue testing on his own, the controls were probably less stringent.
but the bottom line is that women who conceive off island - such as Rousseau, survive. Women who conceive on island, do not. whether any of them give birth on the island, is moot. this point seems completely lost on you.
So how does Naomi making the phone call get them off the island? Why would locke kill her if the result of making that call does not get them off the island?
we don't know. but we know Locke and Ben (and others) have a special bond with the Island. the Island "talks" to them. but Locke clearly knows something we don't - again, it may be similar to the Desmond/Charlie issue you don't want to grasp.
i explained it as i believe it: if she makes the call, they are rescued and taken off the island. but if someone else makes the call, the presumption is that she is dead, and instead of a rescue party, it becomes an invasion party.
but nowhere is it implied except in desmonds flashes that he actually has to die. You didnt explain why he has to die. He just had to flip the switch.
are you even watching the same show???? we've seen several other times - one in particular - where Desmond saves Charlie's life, and the rest of his vision does not come true. if Charlie had died when Naomi landed on the island, as Desmond originally envisioned, then the vision held that it would not have been Naomi, and instead, would have been Penny. but, since Charlie didn't die, it was not Penny, and instead, was Naomi.
i think at this point that Desmond realizes Charlie has to die to complete the vision. so, when he tells charlie that for Claire to board the helicopter he sees in his vision, he has to die, Charlie accepts this. his survival would have changed the vision, something that has already been established.
and regarding Mikael, read my original response:
Is Mickael superhuman? no more so than Locke, or anyone else who seems to be able to tap into the Island's ability to heal people with extraordinary injuries...
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| 254 | tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 10:46
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Good god tree, the point is not lost on me that women already pregnant when coming to the island survive. People who get pregnant on the island die. Stop being so condescending. My question is why was claire kidnapped and tested on. Was the same done to danielle. Whether it is one other or several others it does not matter. Grasp that.
I am watching the same show you big jerk. In desmonds flashes he never actually sees penny does he? He sees the picture, he sees the light, he sees the parachutist masked, he sees charlie die, he sees jin and hurley find the cable. He even says I wanted to believe it was penny but now i am sure of it. He doesnt see Penny, he believes its penny. He then blames saving charlie for it not being penny, but he never saw penny.
As for your locke answer, at least thats an answer. This is similar to what I said. Maybe Walt (the island) told John he had to kill Naomi, not get the radio. Which is why after killing Naomi his job was done and everything else is free will. That is the only reason why he could kill Naomi in cold blood without accomplishing the goal of actually stopping communication between the castaways and the outside world.
Desmond believes charlie has to die, thats a lot different than charlie has to die. Thats what self fulfilling prophecy is. Desmonds prophecy comes true because charlie let it come true. It may have come true anyway.
Im all for talking about the show and the plot twists and turns, and debating and even getting a little heated. but dont patronize me tree.
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| 255 | tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 10:47
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Oh, and moreso than Locke, locke takes 2 days to heal from a gunshot to the stomach, Patchy takes 10 minutes to survive a spear through the heart and fully recover.
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| 256 | tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 10:58
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1 more thing. If its a moot point, (which I fully understand) Then why were the others injecting claire. We know it was the others who were injecting her (Ethan was the injectee under orders) and then Ethan acted on his own by kidnapping her and taking her to the station. So why were they injecting her with anything if the point is moot, she was already pregnant. My original question is if they also did it to danielle and why if it doesnt matter since they were already pregnant prior to being on the island. Is that hard to understand?
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| 257 | Tree
ID: 29082512
Fri, May 25, 2007, 11:13
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My question is why was claire kidnapped and tested on. Was the same done to danielle. Whether it is one other or several others it does not matter. Grasp that.
that was answered already, by me, and by the show. she was kidnapped, because Ethan wanted to kidnap her.
we don't know if Danielle was experimented on. we do know, her kid got taken though.
locke takes 2 days to heal from a gunshot to the stomach, Patchy takes 10 minutes to survive a spear through the heart and fully recover.
Mikhail has been on the island since 1993. Locke has been on for 90 days. he's also considerably younger than Locke. these two factors probably play a role in his extraordinary healing powers.
Then why were the others injecting claire. We know it was the others who were injecting her (Ethan was the injectee under orders) and then Ethan acted on his own by kidnapping her and taking her to the station.
i explained this earlier too. Ethan was NOT injecting her under orders of the others. he was collecting blood and tissue samples.
when he kidnapped her and began injecting her, he was acting on his own.
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| 258 | tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 12:00
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Fair enough, I know where i am missing something. Its in juliets story she tells Jack and Kate that he was injecting her with medicine when she probably made that up. They injected her with some sort of sickness that can be triggered and Juliet used a cover story. So, not that it fully matters but why are they taking blood and tissue samples? I guess just to see if everything was ok. I can still wonder if they also tested rousseau.
Are you finally seeing my side of the desmond charlie part because you didnt respond to that one.
Is Mikhail younger than Locke...considerably? He looks older but I could be wrong. I would think whoever is in touch with the island more would be easier to heal not necessarily who is more healthy or who has been there longer.
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| 259 | katietx
ID: 11430613
Fri, May 25, 2007, 12:22
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Ok...we assume Chsrlie is dead. But is he really?
Why did only the porthole blow when the grenade went off? Should have been more damage than that.
We knew Locke would heal, he's an integral part of the story/island.
I believe Claire was taken only to test her in hopes that she would hold answers to why pregnant women are dying. Perhaps she was injected with something the others suspect is the cause. When she didn't die (or the baby didn't die), they really didn't get any answers. That's why they want the pregnant women. But remember, the baby did get sick, so perhaps the answer lies with the baby and not with Claire/or pregnant women.
I still have a bit of a problem with who/how/why a particular person gets "healed" on the island. While Ben does appear to have a significant bond with the island, it didn't cure him of cancer (or whatever the tumor was). It took Jack to do that. So, can Ben be cured by the island? Maybe not.
Finally, is Kate pregnant? If so, and she gets off the island, she evidently survives. Does this mean that if conception occurs on the island, but the woman is able to leave, she doesn't die?
We have 9 months worth of waiting and even then our questions won't be answered. ;-)
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| 260 | Tree
ID: 29082512
Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:00
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Fair enough, I know where i am missing something. Its in juliets story she tells Jack and Kate that he was injecting her with medicine when she probably made that up. They injected her with some sort of sickness that can be triggered and Juliet used a cover story. So, not that it fully matters but why are they taking blood and tissue samples? I guess just to see if everything was ok. I can still wonder if they also tested rousseau.
they are taking samples, presumably, to compare and contrast women who conceive off-island and women who conceive on-island.
Are you finally seeing my side of the desmond charlie part because you didnt respond to that one.
no. i just got tired of trying to explain what the show has gone to considerable lengths to explain.
Is Mikhail younger than Locke...considerably? He looks older but I could be wrong. I would think whoever is in touch with the island more would be easier to heal not necessarily who is more healthy or who has been there longer.
i think all three probably factor in it.
Mikhail is described on lostpedia as being in his late 30s. Locke is 50. He turns 51 in five days, on May 30.
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| 261 | katietx
ID: 11430613
Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:01
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Mikhail is in his late 30's??? That boy has definitely been rode hard and put up wet more than a few times!
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| 262 | tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:16
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In real life Mikhail is 51. Obviously this isnt real life but wow, thats stretching it.
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| 263 | tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:25
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So youre saying he sees penny in his flash when naomi comes in from her helicopter? I guess we will have to differ on opinions. I guess there is no right answer but to not see my side at all seems pretty closed minded to me.
Katie, Charlie is definitely dead. Read the article tree linked to. That would be a huge cop out if he were still alive. But I guess anything is possible as long as you suspend reality.
I knew locke would heal as well (tree wasnt so sure as his Locke dies? comment suggests), just like I knew Jin and Sayid were not killed off camera, just like I knew Locke would not kill Jack for a phone, that is why I have a problem with him killing Naomi. He was able to kill her because as an actress she is expendable. So unless Walt told him to kill her it makes no sense for his character or for the show except that they wanted to kill someone off so it may as well be someone we are not attached to as opposed to a main character.
Good point about Claire and the baby. I tend to agree.
On your point with Kate, Sun as well needs to get off the island for a better chance of survival.
As for ben being not cured of cancer. You could make the argument the island did cure him by sending in a spinal surgeon to cure him of cancer. How or why he got cancer when no one gets cancer on the island is still a mystery.
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| 264 | boikin
ID: 59831214
Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:49
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i have one question for everyone, and that is have you noticed how many of the others are geting killed off, just last episode they killed off 12 of them, i mean at what piont does Ben no longer have any followers and what about all the other lost members i allways like seeing the members that never get mentioned in the back ground. do they have the same people the whole time? Could you be casted as lost memeber #12.
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| 265 | tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:54
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I dont know how many others there were but they do have all of the tail section minus a few. But yeah, others are dropping like flies.
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| 266 | tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:42
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Oh and tree thanks for indirectly making my point.
I asked if Mikhail was superhuman, you said not moreso than Locke, I said yes he is moreso than Locke, you said to rebut "Mikhail has been on the island since 1993. Locke has been on for 90 days. he's also considerably younger than Locke. these two factors probably play a role in his extraordinary healing powers."
So in the case of healing Mikhail is moreso superhuman than Locke. Which is what I was referring to when asking if Mikhail was superhuman.
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| 267 | katietx
ID: 11430613
Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:49
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Holy cow...hair splitting is the theme for the day!
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| 268 | Tree
ID: 29082512
Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:58
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Mikhail is in his late 30's??? That boy has definitely been rode hard and put up wet more than a few times!
from lostpedia:
In the early 1990s, his military unit was decommissioned and he was released from the Soviet Army. At the age of 24, he replied to a newspaper advertisement titled "Would you like to save the world?" and was recruited by a "magnificent man." He eventually ended up arriving on the Island around 1993.
that puts his age in his late 30s...
i have one question for everyone, and that is have you noticed how many of the others are geting killed off, just last episode they killed off 12 of them, i mean at what piont does Ben no longer have any followers...
i think that point is now. i'm pretty sure they'll be looking toward Locke as a new leader...
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| 269 | tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Fri, May 25, 2007, 15:54
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Finally me and tree agree. I defintely think the road is paved for Locke to be the new leader. Ben is definitely on the outs. I really dont know how ben survives this one. Even pretending to kill 3 of their friends, even if it is in retaliation for killing 7 of his is grounds for death. If they get off the island will Jack do as promised and kill Ben. If they dont, wont he kill Ben anyway?
Also while watching after Sawyer killed Tom (thats funny) Juliet looked as though she may have picked the wrong side to fight for. Wonder if she can or will be turned back or others will commingle with losties. If locke is the leader we may see that.
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| 270 | Boxman
ID: 571114225
Fri, May 25, 2007, 16:38
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Wow. What a great discussion about a great show. I don't know where to start so if Tree, Katie, or TTW think I need to respond to a specific question, just flat out tell me so I catch it. I love how LOST discussions go from show "facts" to theories and then back again. It's another reason why I love the show.
TTW: Both you and boxman are saying Locke is doing everything he can not to be rescued.
The kink in Locke's resolve though was that Jack still made the call. Locke even said, "You're not supposed to do this." To me that inferred that Jacob whispered into Locke's ear what would happen and Jack was supposed to fold, but he didn't.
As for ben being not cured of cancer. You could make the argument the island did cure him by sending in a spinal surgeon to cure him of cancer. How or why he got cancer when no one gets cancer on the island is still a mystery.
Agreed, but sending Jack (and the rest of Flight 815) has also led to the downfall of the others, or so we think, after the episode of the other day. Cancer surgery does not automatically equal a cure. I have more faith that Rose's condition is cured than I do Ben's. The reason being is that Rose just knew she was cured and felt the power of the island; Ben didn't.
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| 271 | katietx
ID: 11430613
Fri, May 25, 2007, 17:03
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The reason being is that Rose just knew she was cured and felt the power of the island; Ben didn't.
Excellent point Box..I agree and that Rose may indeed have more play in this as time goes on.
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| 272 | tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Fri, May 25, 2007, 17:18
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My main questions are
1) Why does Ben order to fake the killings of 3 losties. What is the advantage in this. What is bens angle? Im not saying it was stupid or bad writing or whatever. Im just saying what is the point. Do you have a theory on this?
2) Do you believe if charlie had died penny would be up in the tree? Desmonds flashes did not show penny in the tree, just a person masked in a tree. If not, then do you believe charlie had to die at the looking glass station or do you believe it is self fulfilling prophecy. It only happened because Desmond told him it had to happen.
3) Do you believe Ben was telling the truth about Naomi? Was Naomi up to no good, or was she really wanting to help the losties and get rescued herself? Was Locke told by the Island/Walt/Jacob that Naomi must die so they dont get rescued?
Ben says you'll regret making this decision which I felt implied the losties would get rescued and Jack's future flashback of misery would ensue. He also said that every one on the island would die if he used the radio which couldve just been manipulation and of course we know Jack does not die this go around on the island thanks to the future flashback (he may go back and die however). While Locke seems to think (we really dont know what he is thinking) if Naomi is killed then there won't be a rescue (which is consistent with his blowing up the flame and the sub) or if the phone is used there may be a rescue (which would make killing Naomi a total waste of time and totally inconsistent with Locke's character) or he needed to kill Naomi and try to get the phone. If killing Naomi means no rescue that is one problem solved for Locke. If not using the phone by Jack means no future flashback of Jacks miserable future then problem 2 solved.
If this is true then Locke did not really fight to hard to get Jack to give up the phone.
Comments?
Good pts on Bens cancer as he is definitely more out of touch with the island these days. Do you think he was faking his wheelchair episode or was he being honest when he told Locke that ever since Locke came to the camp he started feeling better. This would make a lot of sense obviously to why he is jealous of Locke and shot him, (not to mention hearing jacob) but why would Ben be honest to Locke in that situation?
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| 273 | Boxman
ID: 571114225
Fri, May 25, 2007, 18:22
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I've got the episode on my DVR and I FFW'd to the point where Jack and Ben sit down and chat.
My main question about Naomi is why is she on the island if she's not searching for Flight 815 survivors? She stated they found the plane and they are all dead.
Ben says that the parachuted woman is "not who she says she is" and one of the "bad guys". Who has Naomi said she was? She in fact did parachute from someplace and we have reason to believe there is a boat out there. Naomi has made no claims about what side she is on or what her opinions are on anything. Therefore, how do we really know she is "not who she says she is"?
Just what is Ben's perspective on what a "bad guy" is? After all, this is a man who doesn't think twice about kidnapping women and children and brainwashing adolescents. Ben mixes in lies and truths together so much so that overanalyzing what he says is probably meant to confuse the audience.
This episode really highlighted Jack's resolve to get off the island and perhaps it's stronger than Locke's. Jack continued with the plan to rescue them all even after 3 of his buddies were threatened with murder. Jack even still picked up the phone, with Locke pointing a gun at him, after Naomi got killed. Jack is clearly willing to sacrifice the lives of some, if not all, to get off the island.
Locke is more of a fate and destiny kind of guy so that's why it blew his mind when Jack deviated from what I believe Jacob allegedly said was going to happen. This also shows the "limits" of Jacob's power. Jacob can see a future, but not the future.
One other thing, did anyone else catch that the code to the gizmo in The Looking Glass was "Good Vibrations"? Wasn't that song played in a previous episode? I believe it was, but I can't place it. Also one of the women in The Looking Glass said the gizmo was programmed by a musician. Is it someone Charlie knows?
Katie: Excellent point Box..I agree and that Rose may indeed have more play in this as time goes on.
An extension of this is that while bringing Jack to the island saves Ben's life, for now, it also keeps him alive to see his "failure" like Jack alluded to earlier where everybody gets off the island. The island bringing Jack to save Ben also means that Ben will live to see everything crash down around him. It's the island's way of torturing Ben.
TTW: Great questions.
1) Why does Ben order to fake the killings of 3 losties. What is the advantage in this. What is bens angle? Im not saying it was stupid or bad writing or whatever. Im just saying what is the point. Do you have a theory on this?
I've got the episode on my TV right now. It was a real order. The first guy says, "It was an order Tom, we had to follow it." Tom replies, "Ben doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. He's lost it. Look what they did to us."
2) Do you believe if charlie had died penny would be up in the tree? Desmonds flashes did not show penny in the tree, just a person masked in a tree. If not, then do you believe charlie had to die at the looking glass station or do you believe it is self fulfilling prophecy. It only happened because Desmond told him it had to happen.
Desmond did save Charlie's life repeatedly and now it looks like his visions were more a of blessing than a curse to keep babysitting Charlie all the time. I don't believe Penny would be in the tree because right now we have no reason to believe that.
I think Charlie had to die. I think two things: 1) Charlie wanted to die. I think he got tired of waiting for the axe to drop on his head. 2) The island wanted a sacrifice for this benefit. Just like how Boone's death was a sacrifice to finally open the hatch, in my opinion, Charlie's death was a sacrifice to receive the benefit of The Looking Glass.
That benefit being is that Penny now knows Desmond is alive somewhere and near where Flight 815 went down. Couple that with the EMP pulse sent out during last season's finale and she has some motivation to go with that information.
3) I think I addressed that in this post.
Do you think he was faking his wheelchair episode or was he being honest when he told Locke that ever since Locke came to the camp he started feeling better.
I think Ben stroked Locke from the get go. Locke has something Ben wants; a true communion with the island. Ben talks to this Jacob fellow who we really don't know anything about. I do think Ben's need for a wheelchair was legit. He did walk with a cane for a while afterwards so perhaps the wheelchair was necessary earlier in his recovery.
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| 274 | Tree
ID: 194432518
Fri, May 25, 2007, 20:04
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1) Why does Ben order to fake the killings of 3 losties. What is the advantage in this. What is bens angle? Im not saying it was stupid or bad writing or whatever. Im just saying what is the point. Do you have a theory on this?
i'll have to rewatch it. but, going with the theory that Ben ordered them NOT to shoot Jin, Sayid, and Bernard, i think Ben might have thought:
a. keeping them alive as more value than killing them - for reasons we'll see later.
b. he figured that pretending to kill them would be enough for Jack to change his mind. he figured wrong.
2) Do you believe if charlie had died penny would be up in the tree? Desmonds flashes did not show penny in the tree, just a person masked in a tree. If not, then do you believe charlie had to die at the looking glass station or do you believe it is self fulfilling prophecy. It only happened because Desmond told him it had to happen.
if i believe in the mythos that Desmond's visions come true if Charlie dies, then yea, i believe Penny is wearing the parachute - or at least someone involved with her.
the more i think about things, the more it makes sense WHY charlie had to die. Charlie was at least able to warn Desmond that the boat was not Penny's. he, in turn, can warn Jack and company. that will allow at least some of them to be saved, because i think we're going to see a number of deaths next year.
and what do i think the final scene of the series might be? Claire boarding a helicopter belonging to Penny - something that only happened because Charlie died.
3) Do you believe Ben was telling the truth about Naomi? Was Naomi up to no good, or was she really wanting to help the losties and get rescued herself? Was Locke told by the Island/Walt/Jacob that Naomi must die so they dont get rescued?
i believe 100 percent that Naomi's group are not good people.
Good pts on Bens cancer as he is definitely more out of touch with the island these days.
ben is a man in fear now. i don't think the island likes that.
Just what is Ben's perspective on what a "bad guy" is? After all, this is a man who doesn't think twice about kidnapping women and children and brainwashing adolescents.
not to mention killing 40 people in a gas attack, including his own father.
it wouldnt shock me to find out that Naomi's people are related to the DeGroots and the original Dharma folks, who, are now, a big corporate entity - Penny Whidmore's dad, anyone?
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| 275 | katietx
ID: 11430613
Fri, May 25, 2007, 21:19
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I was amiss in thinking maybe Charlie wasn't really dead. He is...
Also, I agree that Naomi's people (if there are really people in a boat offshore waiting), are bad guys. Whether they are Dharma or not, umm, don't know.
I'm not really buying into the "Locke in the casket" thing. I think its someone else, but not Locke. I don't think Jack would be that upset if it was Locke.
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| 276 | tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Sat, May 26, 2007, 10:27
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Boxman,
This is the line on the order not to kill them
Ryan: It was an order Tom, we had to follow it.
Tom: Ben doesnt know what the hell hes talking about. Hes lost it. I mean look at what they did to us. Instead of putting 3 bullets in the damn sand we shouldve killed them for real.
The order is not to kill them. And they had to follow it. Toms upset that they had to follow it and wants to really kill them.
We have reason to believe it could be Penny because Desmond believes it could be Penny.
CHARLIE: You think its her don't you?
DESMOND: Who?
CHARLIE: Your girl. Penny. You think its actually her who bailed out the helicopter.
DESMOND: Earlier I hoped it. Now I know it.
CHARLIE: Why didn't you tell us?
DESMOND: Would you come if I had?
CHARLIE: Of course. Why wouldn't I?
DESMOND: I didn't wanna tell you because, I didn't want anything to change.
Now just because Desmond believes it is penny and believes that if anything goes awry it wont be Penny doesnt necessarily make it so. I see the point where it may be so but i think its up for debate.
Tree, this quote is reason why it is useless posting to you...
a. keeping them alive as more value than killing them - for reasons we'll see later
Oh ok, thanks Tree.
Forget that A doesnt even answer my question of why he was bluffing, B at least tries to. As for B that is really still my question. Why would Ben think killing 3 people in Jacks mind would get him the phone. I understand using those 3 by threatening to kill them may get him the phone, but once the bluff is called Ben either has to kill them or not. Pretending to kill them logically is a bad move. Jack thinks they are dead. There is no getting the phone now and you are outnumbered 40-1. If you bluff and Jack folds you get the phone. Then Jack gets his friends back. If you bluff and Jack calls i think you have to reason with jack more. Tell him I know its hard to trust me, i wouldnt hurt those 3 at the beach and I dont want to hurt anymore people, you need to get me that phone for my sake and your sake. If he doesnt believe that one then Ben is screwed which is why I dont even know why he went out to meet them alone. But at least he is not risking getting lynched by an angry mob when he didnt even kill anybody. Right?
Locke actually did the same thing to Jack. He killed Naomi, but then he threatened to kill Jack. Once Jack called his bluff, Locke lowers the gun and tries to reason with him. Once he realized he couldnt reason with him he left it up to Jack who took the call.
the more i think about things, the more it makes sense WHY charlie had to die. Charlie was at least able to warn Desmond that the boat was not Penny's. he, in turn, can warn Jack and company. that will allow at least some of them to be saved, because i think we're going to see a number of deaths next year.
In this sentence it is no more clearer why Charlie HAD to die. He had all the info he could get prior to the grenade. He couldve walked out the door closed it behind him, told Desmond about Penny, that Naomi was not who she appears to be, that it is not pennys boat and told Jack and the others the same info.
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| 277 | tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Sat, May 26, 2007, 10:37
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Boxman,
As for your question on who Naomi said she was
SAYID: [To Naomi] My name's Sayid Jarrah. I understand your helicopter crashed onto the Island.
NAOMI: Actually it crashed in the water.
SAYID: What's your name?
NAOMI: Naomi. Naomi Dorrit.
SAYID: Naomi, from where exactly did you take off?
NAOMI: A ship. Freighter. About eighty nautical miles West of here. We're part of a search and recovery team.
SAYID: You told my friends the wreckage of Flight 815 was discovered. Did you mean the partial wreckage?
NAOMI: No. They found the entire plane off the coast of Bali. In an ocean trench four miles deep. They sent down cameras in these little robots to survey the wreck. The bodies were all there.
SAYID: Well, obviously we're not dead.
NAOMI: Obviously.
SAYID: So if you weren't looking for us, then who were you looking for?
NAOMI: [Looking at Desmond] Him.
SAYID: Desmond?
NAOMI: My company was hired by a woman named Penelope Widmore. I don't know why, I never met her. She gave us a set of coordinates. We'd be conducting a differential GPS grid search ever since.
SAYID: You knew about the Island?
NAOMI: Island? We were given coordinates in the middle of the bloody ocean. We thought it was a fool's errand. Til three days ago. I was flying back for the ship when all of a sudden the clouds cleared and I saw land. The instruments started spinning, I realized I was going down so, I grabbed my chute and I bailed.
SAYID: [To Desmond] Did you actually see her helicopter?
DESMOND: No.
NAOMI: You think I'm lying mate?
SAYID: And I take it you have no means whatsoever of communicating with that freighter of yours?
NAOMI: What was your name? Sayid?
SAYID: Yes.
[Naomi pulls out the satellite phone from under the covers of the bed she's lying in]
NAOMI: Remind me not to rescue you, Sayid.
So she may be lying about working for Penny, though she said she never met her which may be the reason for Pennys not knowing her. But probably that is the cover story they use since they know she is looking for Desmond. So that would mean if Naomi is lying then the person who she probably is working for is Penny's dad. Just a guess.
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| 278 | C1-NRB
ID: 17348117
Sat, May 26, 2007, 13:04
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I just watched the finale last night, and the two leading up to it the night before so I had a lot of catching up to do.
post 250: Whether "they" means Ethan or the others, the question is still valid. They knew of a woman who gave birth on the island who most likely didnt need any 'help' giving birth from the others. They then kidnapped the kid. So my question is did they give danielle these injections like they did claire? They probably did not as Ben may or may not have been the leader of the others at this time. 16 years ago would be 1988, and i think but am not sure the purge was in the early 90s.
Ben tells Jack the purge happened, "A few years ago." I take that to mean it was fairly recent that the "hostile natives" took over the Dharma Initiative. Ben is the last link to Dharma. That could also explain why no one has aged much.
Questions with my specualtive answers:
1. Why would Dharma keep sending supplies if the only "original" employee was a janitor?
Dharma isn't the only organization working to "control" the island. This would also explain how Richard and Ethan were able to go to the mainland to recruit new "employees." The "Hostiles" were there before Dharma arrived. When Dharma showed up the Hostiles fought them guerilla-style until they turned one of Dharma's own- Ben. Then the Hostiles regained "control" with Ben as their "leader" even though it appears that Richard was the head of the Hostiles. Is this a Knights Templar situation with competing factions vying for "control?"
2. Did Penny know her father was head of one of the factions?
It would seem so since she had people looking/ listening for the EMP. She somehow also knew that Desmond would be where it occurred, leading to the possibility that her father told her what happened to Desmond but not where he was. We could see a Penny flashback next season.
I don't like knowing how it ends. I liked knowing it would, but giving the ending away in the middle (and so obviously too- there wasn't any subtly to it at all) cheapens the series. I only hope they can un-jump the shark. I don't know how they can explain it away (Heroes sort of pulled it off with the whole, "The future isn't certain" angle) but if they do, I think it will be the first show to successfully un-jump; a process that would involve leaving the water and landing on the ramp, all in reverse. No mean feat, but if they manage, Wow.
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| 279 | beastiemiked
ID: 3101646
Sat, May 26, 2007, 15:36
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I don't like knowing how it ends.
I really doubt Jack's flash forward is the end of the story.
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| 280 | Tree
ID: 5245279
Sun, May 27, 2007, 10:14
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Tree, this quote is reason why it is useless posting to you...
a. keeping them alive as more value than killing them - for reasons we'll see later
Oh ok, thanks Tree.
on another board, when people were whining during some of the slower moments of the season that Lost has, well, lost it, i opined that that his like a 100-hour long movie, and there are going to be slow moments.
that opinion holds true here. we're not even 60 percent of the way done with the show. there are tons more things to be revealed...
there is also a very good reason why no one is willing to kill Jack - not Ben and the Others, not Locke, not anyone. they feel that there are important things for him to do, and killing him would prevent that.
there are a lot of mythos to this show - many unknown and unexplained. we still don't know nearly enough about a lot of things to do much more than speculate.
He had all the info he could get prior to the grenade. He couldve walked out the door closed it behind him, told Desmond about Penny, that Naomi was not who she appears to be, that it is not pennys boat and told Jack and the others the same info.
rinse and repeated. i've said this over and over. in Desmond's vision, Charlie dies and then Claire boards the helicopter. Desmond said repeatedly that when he saves Charlie, it changes the outcome of the vision.
CHARLIE believed this in the end, and the most important people on earth to him - Claire and her son - would be rescued if he died. if he lived, they wouldn't be boarding that helicopter that Desmond saw in his vision.
honestly, i'm not sure what is so difficult for you to grasp here. in Charlie's mind, and in Desmond's mind, Charlie surviving means that Claire does not board that helicopter.
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| 281 | tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Mon, May 28, 2007, 22:08
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oh Tree, tree, tree. You must be the lost god...are you jacob? You know all. Lets take a look.
To start off, I am not whining about the show. I have not once said the show has "lost it" I was a strong supporter of the show even as it was losing ratings. I love the show. I cant wait week after week to see it and i am bummed i have to wait until late Jan early february to continue watching. I have watched every show on air date and sometimes watch it again online. But I am patient and I will wait. Further, I am fully aware that there are 48 more episodes and know a lot will be answered, new questions will arise and even those new questions will be answered. Spare me your inane lectures.
My question regarding why did ben let those 3 live was not why would the writers do that? What has lost become? What kind of idiots do they think I am?
I was simply asking your and other people on this board what YOU thought of Bens decision on letting them live and why YOU thought Ben decided that. Sure tree, you can answer every question with your answer. After the pilot I couldve remarked, loved the show, whats with the polar bear on the tropical island and of course you couldve responded with, well I think that there may be another group on the island that is studying polar bears and maybe one escaped. Or I think that they are not on a tropical island but they are dead, or I think that kid walt has weird powers and can conjure up anything he wants like in that twilight zone episode, or we can go with your response of the writers wrote in a polar bear, im sure it will be explained at a later date. well thanks Tree, dont even bother responding.
Isnt a message board designed to discuss, debate, hypothesize..ask questions. Of course it is. Youre inane answer deserves a response and your defense of it in this last post is laughable. Maybe instead of pretending to be a know it all condescending jerk, you can actually have a discussion about a great tv show instead of knee jerk defenses of it because you think YOUR show is being attacked.
2nd
Rinse and repeated. I understand your view. Dont think for a second I dont. You think that if Charlie lives, Claire doesnt get on the helicopter that Desmond has seen in his vision. You think if Charlie had died last time, Naomi would be Penny. I understand this is your opinion and I think that is fine. We disagree is all. I think that Desmond never really saw Penny in that flash but in the picture that he ended up seeing in Naomis backpack. I think that Desmond believed that Charlie had to die that Charlie believed he had to die. I understand my view is debateable, I also believe that your view is as well.
Further, you stated in post 274 the more i think about things, the more it makes sense WHY charlie had to die. Charlie was at least able to warn Desmond that the boat was not Penny's. he, in turn, can warn Jack and company. that will allow at least some of them to be saved, because i think we're going to see a number of deaths next year.
This does not explain why Charlie HAD to die or as you put it WHY Charlie had to die. I understand that you think charlie had to die but the rest of that post does not support your claim of WHY Charlie HAD to DIE. He couldve told Desmond after he got out of the room, hey mate, Naomi doesnt work for your bird, Penny doesnt even know her brotha. To which Desmond couldve responded, no, it cant be brotha, are you sure. We better tell Jack then. So WHY does this make more sense that Charlie had to die? Thats what I was asking in the last post that you responded to with Rinse and repeated.
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| 282 | Boxman
ID: 251142612
Tue, May 29, 2007, 13:54
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I don't like knowing how it ends.
What I'd like to see is for the Losties to leave the island at the end of the second to last season, then spend the last season in the regular world. Maybe then they could all realize their connections to each other.
From another message board, this is the supposed leaked text of the obituary Jack was reading.
"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue. Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft. Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room. According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son. Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."
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| 283 | threespleens
Leader
ID: 00795541
Thu, May 31, 2007, 16:21
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finally got around to watching the last 4 episodes back to back. torrenting has been slowing down lately.
nice dialogue above on pretty much all the main topics of discussion.
i'll just add, i thought that when charlie punched in the code, the door would swing shut. this would prevent him from leaving by his own free will and drown him.
especially after charlie noted that the scuba equipment was outside the room and then he and desmond were separated. too simple for lost i guess!
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| 284 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Jul 18, 2007, 13:10
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Decided to start watching Season 1 and Season 2 again. Popped in S1-Disk 1, expecting just to watch the Pilot - Epi 1, but wound up watching the whole thing (first 4 episodes).
Man, that Pilot is just outstanding.
Interesting to watch, knowing more about the characters. Hard not to watch and keep that out of your mind.
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| 285 | tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Wed, Jul 18, 2007, 13:25
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Hey Tree,
Just reread our "discussion" Your last post is exactly my point.
honestly, i'm not sure what is so difficult for you to grasp here. in Charlie's mind, and in Desmond's mind, Charlie surviving means that Claire does not board that helicopter.
In Charle's mind...in Desmond's mind. That is self fulfilling prophecy. Doesnt necessarily make it so. Phew, glad that's settled.
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| 286 | Renegade
Sustainer
ID: 481126818
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 10:49
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Jul 25, 7:35 PM (ET)
BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. (AP) - Turncoat Michael is making a "Lost" 'comeback. Harold Perrineau, who plays the character last seen betraying his fellow crash survivors to save himself and his son, will return to the show next season.
ABC Entertainment President Stephen McPherson didn't offer any details Wednesday of what's in store for Michael. He also didn't say whether Walt, the son played by Malcolm David Kelley, will be seen again.
The pair fled the mysterious island where the crash victims were struggling to survive against the dangerous "Others," with desperate Michael turning over his friends in exchange for escape.
The network had planned to make the "Lost" announcement at Comic-Con International, the comic book and pop-culture show starting Thursday in San Diego. But McPherson, speaking to a meeting of the Television Critics Association, was pressed for the information.
McPherson initially balked at talking, instead joking about what the announcement might be.
"I've cast Don Imus on 'Lost,'" McPherson quipped.
Earlier this year, ABC said will run for three more seasons, concluding in 2009-10. The series will return for its fourth season in January.
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| 287 | Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 12:09
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It will be interesting to see how they handle him and Walt, especially Walt who now looks 3 years older after 80 days.
Rumored guest stars for season 4 are Forest Whitaker and Peter Stormare(Prison Break). The show is really wide open now with many possibilities. They could be others, part of Naomi's crew, in flashbacks, flashforwards, etc.
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| 288 | C1-NRB
ID: 5932328
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 12:53
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Flash-forward Walt will be played by Forest Whitaker.
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| 289 | beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 13:44
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Abruzzi on Lost would be awesomme.
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| 290 | Rendle
ID: 366203122
Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 07:21
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Stormare has been offered a role on the show. My guess is he's part of Naomi's crew.
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| 291 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 14:44
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Was just fumbling around at ABC.com Lost and it played a "Orchid Station Orientation" film.
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