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Subject: Survivor - Season 20 - Heroes vs Villains
Posted by: JeffG
- Leader [01584348] Fri, Jan 08, 2010, 09:29
The twenty Season-20 contestants have been 'officially' revealed on the official site.
We have 4 past winners, and 8 runners up (nine if you count Amanda twice), and have 13 total jury appearances among them. There are nine who have appeared on two previous seasons.
Heroes
Men
Colby Donaldson - Australian Outback (runner up to Tina), All Stars (5th out)
James Clement - China (10th out/jury), Micronesia (injured/jury)
JT Thomas - Tocantins (*winner*)
Rupert Boneham - Pearl Islands (8th out/jury), All Stars (15th out/jury)
Tom Westman - Palau (*winner*)
Amanda Kimmel - China (2nd runner up to Todd), Micronesia (runner up to Pavarti)
Candice Woodcock - Cook Islands (13th out/jury)
Cerie Fields - Panama Exile Island (12th out/jury), Micronesia (15th out/jury)
Stephenie LaGrossa - Palau (10th out/jury), Guatemala (runner up to Dani)
Sugar Kiper - Gabon (2nd runner up to Bob)
Villains
Men
Ben "Coach" Wade - Tocantins (11th out/jury)
Randy Bailey - Gabon (11th out/jury)
Rob "Boston Rob" Mariano - Marquesas (7th out), All Stars (runner up to future wife Amber)
Russell Hantz: Samoa (runner up to Natalie)
Tyson Apostol - Tocantins (8th out/jury)
Women
Courtney Yates - China (runner up to Todd)
Danielle DiLorenzo - Exile Island Panama (runner up to Aras)
Jerri Manthey - Australian Outback (8th out/jury), All Stars (7th out)
Parvati Shallow - Cook Islands (15th out/jury), Micronesia (*winner*)
Sandra Diaz-Twine - Pearl Islands (*winner*)
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| 39 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Fri, Apr 23, 2010, 11:12
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I know JT was the big loser last night but I'm not too sure who the big winner is.
The villians lost both of their idols and they still have Sandra who is not 100% with them.
Parvati has tipped her hand to Russell that he wasnt the one who was in charge and that will mean Russell and his ego putting Parvati in his crosshairs.
Parvati and Amanda both know that they cant trust each other.
Should be very interesting to see everyone scramble to solidify or reform new alliances.
Too bad Sandra couldnt convince the heros to trust her more.
Missed golden opportunity of the night:
How awesome would it have been if the heros let Sandra know that they were voting for Jerri and Sandra decides to throw her meaningless vote on Russell?
When Parviti hands her the idol she simply passes it to JT.
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| 40 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 550421116
Fri, Apr 23, 2010, 11:20
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I think it was the move that had to be made to keep the numbers on the villians side. I have NO doubt Sandra is going to swing at some point but I think she will play along with the villians for a bit more. Sandra is generally happy to go along while she thinks she is safe. They are going to eliminate more heroes before they start turning on each other. I do 100% agree they are making a huge mistake keeping Sandra around...she won once, can def win again.
It does sort of suck to use up two immunity idols but it was a very critical point in the game so I have a hard time finding fault in Parvati's move.
Amanda never was a future tool for Parvati...they know each other and neither trust the other. I would be surprised if Amanda is not the next gone. In fact Amanda talking to Parvati at all was probably the heroes downfall as Parvati read her like an open book.
The fact that they showed Russell upset in next weeks previews leads me to believe that will blow over quickly.
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| 41 | Building 7
ID: 229152116
Fri, Apr 23, 2010, 11:46
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I don't think they'll let anyone win it twice, i.e. Sandra. Unless there are only prior winners left at the end. They would really have to hate the other person(s) left at the end to vote for a prior winner IMO. But, I don't watch this show much.
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| 42 | tastethewaste
ID: 123182315
Fri, Apr 23, 2010, 16:18
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but why would she have to make that move. I understand her thinking. she thinks shes solidifying the villians, but she did the exact opposite. She keeps jerri and loses russell and sandra. Why would sandra remain with the villians? if she jumps to the heroes now shes the 5th wheel but she the heroes have 2 groups of 2 left. Colby-Rupert and Amanda-Candice. She helps knock out all the villians and then becomes the swing vote at 5. then she sticks with that alliance and makes it to final 3. probably amanda-candice.
If sandra sticks with the villians shes 5th in a 4 person alliance. If russell doesnt waiver with parvati, jerri would go 4th and parvati danielle and russell make it. It just makes sense for sandra to have stayed with the villians and hope the JT gambit paid off. JT was the alpha male calling the shots for the heroes. with him gone she can now take his place and remain under the radar.
If parvati uses one idol on her alliance mate (jerri) and guesses wrong, then the heroes think theyve outsmarted the villians but all the did was lop off the extra baggage in sandra. Parvati would be the next likely target for the heroes and she would use her other idol that only danielle knows about and oust one of the heroes through a blowback vote.
If parvati played no idols, she now has 2. Jerri now has to do some firemaking contest vs JT or whatever tiebreaker rules are in effect. If she loses, the heroes have little need for sandra in their alliance so she wouldnt jump teams. Parvati would be next to go again but she uses the idol and gets a hero out via blowback vote and its tied 4-4 again. Then she uses 2nd idol gets another hero and villians are up 4-3 and her position is more secure. Russells not isolated and paranoid and sandra is stuck trying to scramble too late.
now parvati is relying on sandra not to jump at 9. she couldve had the same situation or better at 7 or even 6 before she could even get voted for and thats also barring any immunity wins.
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| 43 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Sat, Apr 24, 2010, 00:04
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Excellent episode and another outstanding tribal council. Previously when an idol was played, they put it back into the game. Since they've merged, are we safe to assume that the idols played will NOT be put back in play?
FWIW, JT being voted out, in effect, by his own idol is simply the most idiotic thing I've ever seen on this show. This show never ceases to amaze me.
Just wish we could get all seasons on DVD!
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| 44 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Fri, Apr 30, 2010, 18:26
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Russell finds yet another immunity idol?
He isnt even at the reward and he still comes up with it?
Thus far he has 6 out of the 7 idols from the last two seasons.
Amazing.
Of course being the best survivor ever doesnt keep him from playing it when he didnt need to.
From Probst's blog:
INSIGHT: Next season it will take more than just looking under a rock to find a hidden idol. I won’t give away what we’re doing, but in planning our creative for next season we coined a phrase, “The Russell Factor” and it influenced how we will play the hidden idol next season.
A complete debacle on the part of Colby and Amanda to give up the idol clue.
I was really disappointed to see Candice flip on her hero mates.
If you are at worst 4th in the hero alliance what do you gain by being 5th or 6th in the villian alliance?
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| 45 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Sat, May 01, 2010, 01:04
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Well, if that idiot Danielle hadn't told Russell about the clue, he would never have found it. She could have just said that there was no clue found.
Of course being the best survivor ever doesnt keep him from playing it when he didnt need to.
The only title Russell is going to get is TheBestSurvivorNeverToWinSurvivor. I can't possibly see how he thinks that people will actually vote for him...with his smug, arrogant attitude and all.
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| 46 | Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Sat, May 01, 2010, 11:58
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Candice is in trouble with both sides. One for flipping and the other for not telling Russell they were voting Parvati. Her only chance now is to try and organize a Russell vote off.
On the other hand, she may be the only one Russell could beat in the final.
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| 47 | Bond, James Bond
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ID: 04352469
Sat, May 01, 2010, 16:02
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It makes absolutely no difference who is in the final three with Russell, if he makes it that far. There isn’t a jury alive who would vote to give him the first prize of a million bucks. I doubt if he would even get a, that is ONE, vote. He is very feeble at a major part of the game. He has no friends. No one likes him. No one respects him.
I agree that Candice is in serious doo-doo. I'm thinking she will definitely be booted next.
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| 48 | Skidazl
ID: 280401016
Sat, May 01, 2010, 16:52
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"I agree that Candice is in serious doo-doo. I'm thinking she will definitely be booted next. "
I sure hope so, dumb b
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| 49 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 1550160
Sat, May 01, 2010, 19:28
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Candice should be an easy boot. It will be one of those that both sides may agree on...
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| 50 | C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Sat, May 01, 2010, 22:28
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I was a little surprised to see Sandra's vote go against Amanda. What I figure that happened was during Sandra's pow-wow with Candice (when she shooed Russell away) a lot more went on after the scene was editted. Sandra got the vibe from Candice that she was so scared of what Russell was capable of that she decided to stay with her Villan alliance so she couldn't be pegged by them as a real flipper.
Sandra is a shrewd player and manipulator that reads people very well. She always knows what's going on and happening around her even if she can't do anything about it. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if she held on and won again.
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| 51 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Sun, May 02, 2010, 15:56
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50.....I agree wholeheartedly. Sandra's mantra of "as long as it's not me" is one that has not only won her one Survivor competition but has her still in this game so far. They should have bounced her instead of Courtney a couple of weeks back when they had the chance. Because she is so good at reading people and situations, Sandra is the perfect foil to PuppetMaster's master plan and I hope she can hang in there long enough to oversee his ouster.
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| 52 | JeffG
Dude
ID: 01584348
Mon, May 03, 2010, 08:45
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If a remaining hero can somehow get in the final 2 (or is it 3 this season), they may sneak this one out just because of bitter jury votes. If Colby or Rupert were able to be last hero standing and then somehow survive a few tribals, who knows. Not that either one of them after playing twice before seems to show any ability to play any sort of strategic game.
My dream final 2 would still be Russell and Pavarti, just because they are always thinking ahead plus the jury would have to vote for someone. The heroes on the jury are not going to award devious game play and are going to hold Russell 'swearing on his childrens lives' against him. The heroes all wanted Parvati out since pre-merge, not to mention she is a prior winner. I wonder how many would vote for her either if she was up against a non winner.
Alot of buzz here seems to like Sandra, but she is a prior winner so I do not know if that will play a factor in the vote, which is why to me her end game is she needs Russ or Parv to sit beside her at final tribal more than she needs to flip and blind side them. That is her only ticket IMO.
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| 53 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 550421116
Mon, May 03, 2010, 14:58
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I heard it will be a final 3 to the jury...
I don't think Sandra being a former winner will factor in much at all especially if she has Parv and Russell as the alternatives.
I would much rather see a final two of parv and russell...that would be a very hard vote for the jury.
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| 54 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Mon, May 03, 2010, 17:57
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#45:
I made the same point in post 20.
Russell is without question the best player when it comes to making it to the finals.
Once he gets there he would be lucky to get one vote.
I think we saw in the scene why Sandra voted for Amanda.
after trying as best she could to convince Candice to vote against the villians she finally asks...."Who do you want to vote out, just tell me".
According to Probst that was her way of giving up but still trying to save face.
In additoin in a Q and A with Amanda:
Candice had a plan that we were going to act like I was going to go home, and Candice wanted her and I to stage a fight that we were against each other. She was doing it to throw Russell off, I guess. She really wanted to do this. She was excited because it was her idea and she thought it was brilliant. We were going to do it but I didn’t think it was necessary. She wanted Russell to stop scheming, and she thought if we staged a fight they wouldn’t scheme. The fact that we didn’t do it, she was upset. I think that’s why she went with the Villains last minute, because we didn’t follow through with her plan.
My prediction to win it all:
Jerri
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| 55 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Tue, May 04, 2010, 00:09
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54....If I am not mistaken, this current season of Survivor was already filmed beginning to end BEFORE Russell knew that he had lost in the finals to whatshername in season 19. Correct me if I'm wrong there.
If I'm correct, then I'm thinking that Russell is thinking that he's already won a Survivor title with the added benefit being that all the others from this season have no clue who this guy is. They just know he's is a villian, that's all. But they have to assume he made some sort of major impression just to be included in this season's show.
Now, if I'm on Survivor, I get rid of the clowns that have already won a title. Getting rid of Tom and JT was good; now it's time to oust Sandra, Parvati, and if one is to assume that Russell won Season 19, get rid of him too.
But Survivor isn't played like that and it's not like Parvati and Russell haven't already been targeted anyway. But you can do only what the majority can do.
Survivor usually declares the winner will be the one who offended the jury members the least rather than the one who deserve to win. Russell can't win no matter what.
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| 56 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Tue, May 04, 2010, 12:15
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Bond...You are correct.
Hero's/villians was filmed before Russell found out that he lost season 19 to whatshername.
I agree 100% ...russell cant win survivor.....ever.
He could play survivor 100 times and make the final 2 or 3 99 times and he would be 0-99 at final TC's.
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| 57 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Thu, May 06, 2010, 22:04
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh...just what we needed-----More proof that Russell has no problem backstabbing anybody. Danielle had no reason to go home tonight and either Rupert or Colby did.
Russell already knows that with Candace now eliminated (yay!), the Villians had a 5-2 edge over the Heroes. No need to throw Danielle off the boat now just because she was in an alliance with Parvati. He's got a ticking time-bomb in Sandra and he knows it. Sandra will switch sides just as sure as the wind is blowing.
Now a supposed 4-2 lead can effectively be surmised as 3-3 depending on what Sandra wants to do. Besides, she has the hidden immunity idol and nobody else knows about it. Sweet!!!
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| 58 | WiddleAvi
ID: 352232517
Thu, May 06, 2010, 22:19
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Russell's ego is too big for this game.
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| 59 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 1550160
Fri, May 07, 2010, 00:54
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Yeah...I did not get that move. Danielle is definitely someone I want to be sitting next too facing the jury. Strategy at this point has to be #1 making the jury, #2 bringing the person(s) with you who are also disliked, #3 figuring out how to eliminate people without them being most pissed at you.
Russell is definitely not a social player...but somehow he just bull rushes through everyone and forces enough people to vote his way.
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| 60 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Fri, May 07, 2010, 19:12
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At first I was thinking Russell was making a huge blunder by going after Danielle when he did.
But the more you think about it, it was either then or never and then he would have had to go along with what ever Parvati/Danielle decided.
His ego needing to be the one in control/charge trumps all other moves or thinking on his part.
Of course the way Russell chose to go about it was nearly a complete disaster.
Were it not for Danielle having a complete TC meltdown it would have blown up in his face.
If Jerri doesnt switch here vote last minute, Russell would have painted himself into the corner of a single person alliance.
It should be very interesting to see how the new mini alliances are formed.
Russell has very little choice but to team up with the heros.
I'm not sure what Jerri does now that she backstabbed Parvati.
FYI the final episode will be a week from this Sunday.
Should just as entertaining as the entire season has been.
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| 61 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Sat, May 08, 2010, 01:16
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59....It's now gotten to the point where taking Russell to the end with you actually will greatly enhance your chance of winning. In fact, love him or hate him (and to ber sure, there is NO middle ground), having Russell sitting by you in the finals is a must thing. Strange!
60....Had Jerri not listened to Russell by lending her vote toward Danielle, Rupert would have been gone instead. The power of a single vote in this game never ceases to amaze me.
Now I know editing plays a great part in what we see/don't see. But if I were Parvati and Danielle, after they figured out Russell's dirty play, they should have both attacked him verbally.
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| 62 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Fri, May 14, 2010, 01:29
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OK, first off, Colby looked like he was flat out asleep at TC. He was on the end, head resting on his fist, and I swear his eyes were closed. Why the heck is he still here? Apart from the comic relief that is the ongoing theme of “Colby sucks at every challenge, ever”.
I loved the fact that tonight showcased every single little thing I love about Sandra. I loved her being emotional about her uncle, and extolling his character at the challenge, I love the fact that she is the only person ever who could flat out TELL Russell she’s against him, and Russell being too much of a coward to try to berate and bully her like he did with Danielle and Jerry. Seriously, can you imagine him even attempting to talk to her like that? I loved her being so sure of herself that she didn’t even want to bother playing the idol, but she had too anyway since it was the last time it could be played. I loved her basically laying everything out for Probst (and the jury) what happened with Danielle, and what Rupert was trying to do with her. I loved her bonding with Parvati. Finally! I loved her saying that she was going to vote for Rupert again, but she knew he’d still give her the million (and what’s so awesome, is she’s probably right). Seriously, Sandra = Love for me tonight.
And Russell once again proved to be the bullying, chauvinist jackass who is dreadful at this game. So he’s “dragged” Jerri and Parvati - PARV? - through this whole game, and they are “ungrateful little b*****s”? Yeah, he’s the worst end game player this game has ever known, and he’s still completely delusional about everything. I bet he thinks he’d smoke Sandra in the final, which is why he didn’t go along with voting her out. He has absolutely no ability to read the room. None. He might be able to manipulate people by bullying and using their insecurities during the game, but he will never, ever learn that you can’t bully a jury, and the jury has no insecurities to use against them. Idiot.
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| 63 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, May 14, 2010, 09:04
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How much is second place in this game? It's at least $100,000 and maybe $250,000. It's not a million, but it's nothing to sneeze at.
If Russell's strategy is good at getting to the final, but bad at winning the final......I don't think that is all bad. Would you rather have a 90% chance at $250,000 or a 10% chance at a million?
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| 64 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Fri, May 14, 2010, 10:19
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Its 90% chance for 100K or 0% chance at 1 million.
I think that everyone who makes the jury wins money.
I was thinking that Colby was sleeping during the immunity challenge as well.
Hard to tell though for that 1 second.
The question is can they come up with a challenge that Colby has any chance of winning?
Yelling at your brother because you cant throw water is rediculous.
Colby has to be next to go because you cant take that 1% chance that he gets immunity and makes it to the final 3.
Most likely to win the million if they make final 3:
Colby
Jerri
Sandra
Parvati
Russell
Colby would need to win two immunity challenges which would be highly unlikely, seems to be between Sandra and Jerri.
If you are Russell or Parvati....who do you take?
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| 65 | JeffG
Dude
ID: 01584348
Fri, May 14, 2010, 10:54
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I agree with that most likely list in [64] but I bet everyone in camp realizes this too and they all know they have to get rid of Cobly - even though Colby has done nothing this season worthy of winning strategically or competitively and only provided comic releif.
Sandra did have great sound bytes last night.
Too bad it is a final 3 this season. Russ v Parv would be the most interesting final 2.
I think Russ & Parv would take Sandra over either of the others when it gets to deciding the fianl 3 from the final 4. Colby and Jerri have too many friends in the jury. (Or is it now more Sandra & Parv taking Russell with them to the final 3).
Last night Russell made the right move getting out a hero, but 're-screwing' Rupert in last night's tribal even means he is less likely to gain a jury vote. He had no reason to fake an alliance with them, other than making for good television. We've seen the final tribal too many times, all the egos come out in the Q&A portion and the 'I was playing a game' speach never works. I do not thing anyone ever rewarded the finalist who most blatantly lied a final vote.
Finally, I just want to give Parvati some props. With all due respect to Russell, she may be the best Survivor player. She wins challenges, plays very strategically, and masters the inter-personal game creating relationships and never losing sight of the fact you need jury votes from the folks you vote off. The heroes feared her and targeted her from the start
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| 66 | C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Fri, May 14, 2010, 10:58
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My wife firmly believes Colby has been sandbagging the whole time. She thinks he'll turn it on for the last immunity challenge to ensure a final three.
Watching just how bad he's been versus how good he was in Australia makes me think he's flipped his game. In Australia he won every individual immunity challenge and it wasn't even close. The jury was so jealous that he didn't have to "do" any social game play to make it to the end that they voted for his little coattailer.
I think that really had an effect on him. He's kept his head down, literally last night- even Probst didn't prod him, and can sneak his way into the finals. Everyone that he was aligned with did something to stir the pot and that's what got them voted off. It was like he had immunity because someone else was always a bigger target, like Sandra did in her first season.
If Colby doesn't win the next-to-last immunity he could be gone, but I think the Villians all have certain grudges against each other and will get rid of one more of their own given the chance. Each villian has another villian that they would rather not have to sit next to in the finals and since Colby has shown no proclivity for challenges (even going back to All Stars) they'll let him stick around one more round thinking they can drop him at the end.
I bet it bites them, too.
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| 67 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 1740422
Fri, May 14, 2010, 22:42
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I have heard the prize money is a bit higher in the all-star seasons. Still a million for first but more to be won for 2nd on...maybe even some negotiated appearance money for everyone.
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| 68 | beastiemiked
ID: 23127320
Sat, May 15, 2010, 00:51
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Most likely to win the million if they make final 3:ColbyJerriSandraParvatiRussellColbyJerriSandraParvatiRussell What show have you been watching. Colby is about as likely to win as Russell is. He's done nothing and the jury knows he's done nothing. Same with Jerri. The only way Colby or Jerri win is if they are in the finals with Russell. Parv or Sandra will sweep the finals if they make it their without the other one. If they both make it, Parv should take it but the jury will probably f it up and give Sandra the million.
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| 69 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sat, May 15, 2010, 05:43
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The show I am watching is the one with 4 heros for jury members and will vote for another hero if given the opportunity.
Two of the villains were on the jury pre-merge and will have another two villains who will be backstabbed by Parv and/or Russell.
Parv has already won and that will factor into the vote.
Russell has zero chance of winning because of his arrogant attitude.
IF Colby makes it to the finals it wont even be close.
The key word here is IF.
The remaining villains know he is a lock and will make sure he is voted out.
His only chance of making it would be to win the last two immunity challenges.
The odds that Colby makes it to the finals is only slightly better than Russell getting a single jury vote.
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| 70 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Sun, May 16, 2010, 00:20
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Interesting that I hear that Colby may have been seriously tanking all challenges on purpose, whereby making himself look weak to the others and hoping to advance based upon his supposed weakness. Not sure if I buy into that theory but if Colby somehow, someway makes it to the finals, he wins.
But as is, I think the Villains will get rid of the last Hero and make it an all Villain Final Four. Having said that, Russell absolutely HAS to make the final three in order for the other ladies to have a chance because we know the jury will not reward His Bullyness. Meanwhile Parvati and Sandra have certainly seemed to bon pretty well of late and I think that spells doom for Jerri.
My guess:
1. SANDRA
2. Parvati
3. Russell
4. Jerri
5. Colby
I think it will be a very tight final score and I certainly don't think that Russell will get a single vote...nor should he. But I've been wrong before, so let's see.
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| 71 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Mon, May 17, 2010, 01:44
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SANDRA WINS SURVIVOR!!!! WOOHOO!!!!
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| 72 | beastiemiked
ID: 23127320
Mon, May 17, 2010, 02:03
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So gross. Damn bitter jurys.
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| 73 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Mon, May 17, 2010, 02:35
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Bitter about what?
Not wanting to award someone like Russell who doesnt deserve to win any of their votes?
Russell is a complete moron.
Twice he has been in the finals and not a single vote.
Kudos to Parv and Sandra for understanding the game of Survivor and not trying to make up your own fantasy game.
Russell even admitted that he is a clueless moron by stating he would do nothing to change his game.
There is no doubt in my mind that if given the chance to play again Russell would make the same dumbass moves over and over again.
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| 74 | JeffG
Dude
ID: 01584348
Mon, May 17, 2010, 09:47
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Those self centered jury comments during the final tribal council always irritate me, especially in shows where everyone has played before and many have sat on the other side in prior seasons. Everyone who has went through this at least once should know that you have to play an underhanded game somewhere down the road, but everyone is always so pompus about it when they are on the soap box at final tribal.
I agree Russell's strategy is missing an important component, but going for runner up has it's rewards. First, by playing that way in Samoa and getting to the finals he won $100K as the runner up, won $100K in the viewer vote at the Samoa finale reunion show (closest runner up was Shambo), and pretty much guaranteed himself and invite to future all star shows based on his tactics. By going that way in the Heroes v Villains, he got $100K for being a finalist and another $100K for winning the viewer vote (runner up Rupert) and is sure to get consideration down the road for a future Survivor All-Star type show. I'm sure neither viewer favorite vote was close.
Props to Sandra for winning the social part of the game, but that approach more than others has the element of luck. If her alliance had prevailed on the Villains camp and she made it to the finals with Rob and someone else for example, she may have sufferred the same backlash by the jurists instead of benefitting by it this way. She said on the reunion show her strategy from the beginning was to get rid or Russell from day 1 but was unable to do it, when it turns out sitting next to Russell at the final tribal was the reason she won.
Season 21 and 22 are both going to be filmed in Nicaragua. Season 21 boasts 'all new contestants' and will air in the fall. Not sure what the back to back locations mean for season 22 but when they have done this before it was an all star season.
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| 75 | beastiemiked
ID: 23127320
Mon, May 17, 2010, 11:32
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Bitter about not giving Parvati the million. She was the much better player than Sandra. Sandra's biggest accomplishment was trying to get Russell voted out 3 times. How is that outplaying anyone?
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| 76 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Mon, May 17, 2010, 13:33
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I can come up with at least 200,000 reasons why Russell is not a moron. If he's a moron, there are 18 people who are bigger morons, including the vaunted Boston Rob, who he took down.
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| 77 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, May 17, 2010, 13:45
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I loved Russell asking Rob how many times HE had won. That was GREAT.
The strat that wins now-a-days is 'coattailing'. Thats a lame and boring game. Period.
Coach's speech about made me puke. That guy is a sad joke. Self conceited blowhard...wait...isn't that Russell?
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| 78 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Mon, May 17, 2010, 18:55
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I can come up with at least 200,000 reasons why Russell is not a moron.
I have told you a million times not to exagerate.
Lets have a little perspecive here.
I think Tom put it best last night when he said the game is 1/3 luck, 1/3 stategy, and 1/3 social.
On the social game Russell is a ZERO.
He holds the survivor record for most votes lost at Final TC.
17 opportunities to get a vote and he got NONE.
I think Russell was extremely lucky to get Tyson to switch his vote.
There was no reason for Tyson to be a dumbass and get himself voted out.
If Tyson sticks to the brilliant plan set out by Rob then Russell would have been in the running for dumbest move even when he gave his idol to Parvati and he ends up going home instead.
As Bond pointed out in post 61: "The power of a single vote in this game never ceases to amaze me."
That one vote of Tyson is the difference between us taking about Russell as one of the best strategist and being completely forgotten.
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| 79 | threespleens
ID: 54115522
Mon, May 17, 2010, 20:12
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BOOOOOOO
another great survivor, another winner i don't agree with.
they made a huge mistake bringing sandra instead of stickwoman and it cost them. sad to see but it was a long time coming.
this was parvati's season and it's a shame she didn't win. even russell admitted she should have won and not him.
how about survivor brings the jury to the reunion show and THEN they vote for the winner. they get to see the whole show on television, all the behind the scenes stuff, how much work and effort goes into the strategy and so forth.
enough of this "i'm going to vote for who pissed me off the least" or "i'll vote for someone who didn't get me voted out" garbage. people obviously don't think straight after they get voted out and after gaining a little perspective would make a more informed choice to who wins.
how many jury members in this or past seasons are truly happy in their vote? how many regret their vote and would change it?
ugh. the best season of survivor ever and a typical lame vote at the end.
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| 80 | tastethewaste
ID: 123182315
Mon, May 17, 2010, 21:37
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RE 77. i dont believe the strategy to win is coattailing nowadays on survivor (this strategy has been utilized since season 2 and rewarded). But when a bully plows through everyone using intimidation and insults its not going to score many votes and the person coattailing will be rewarded in that situation.
I think this seasons winner was unique. Sandra was not coattailing in fact. Maybe Jerri was. Sandra was against russell from the beginning and tried to make power plays but wasnt trusted for whatever reason. I think sandra read the situation perfectly. Tell the jury, hey, i didnt want this jerk here sitting next to me. I tried to get rid of him before we merged and after the merge but other people kept screwing it up. Thats what the jury full of egotistical heroes wanted to hear. Rupert i think spoke for all of them when he said i wish we listened to you. If they had, russell wouldnt have been in the finals and all this crying about how great russell played the game and people shouldnt take it so seriously wouldnt even be discussed.
I thought russell made some serious errors. I understand the tyson move, but it was made out of desperation, but i suppose i can give russell credit for persuading tyson enough so russells plan worked. But the ouster of boston rob i think came too early and the villians ended up going into the merge even and vulnerable. if russell took a step back and let boston rob lead until the merge and then backstabbed i think it wouldve been seen as a necessary move and a good sound move. The ouster of courtney instead of sandra was just god awful. Why parvati didnt step up to russell and convince her that courtney would be loyal is beyond me. why they thought sandra wouldnt try to flip makes no sense either. But i think russell underestimated sandra the whole way. He didnt have to do anything to get a free hidden immunity idol and he ended up giving it away to parvati and didnt have the foresight to see how he could have played the idol. He played a hidden immunity idol when he wasnt in trouble. I thought he got rid of the wrong alliance member as well. Danielle was a coattailer. I cant imagine the jury liked her and she wasnt as threatening or as smart as parvati, and of course i think he made the wrong decision in ousting jerri over sandra. How he didnt think sandra was a threat was beyond me but it just goes to show that sandra could read that jury better than russell.
As for parvati, i think she lost control of the game when russell booted her partner out. If she had made the move to oust russell i think the jury wouldve taken their hats off to her. She made the big move of saving sandra and jerri (a move i didnt agree with fully) but after that she just sort of went underground and was with russell with no compromise. think if at 5 when parvati won immunity if she just said to jerri and sandra, lets get rid of russell. lets do the girl alliance again. I think even if colby ends up making it to 3 parvati may still win.
just my 2 cents.
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| 81 | tastethewaste
ID: 123182315
Mon, May 17, 2010, 21:45
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oh and 3spleens, dont feel bad for parvati, she won fans vs favorites because the producers suddenly felt like changing the rules from final 3 to final 2 on a whim, getting cirie out and clearing her path to victory. she got her free ride once.
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| 82 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 1550160
Mon, May 17, 2010, 22:41
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My vote would have been to Parvati...I thought she played the best all around game this season.
Russell made a lot of bad decisions down the stretch. He had even less social game this time through.
Sandra...plays an excellent social game and did well on the jury tribal. People definitely connect with her.
Great season...
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| 83 | C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Mon, May 17, 2010, 23:55
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I liked this season pretty well. I knew as soon as Colby was gone Sandra had the best shot. I really didn't think Parvati would get as many votes as she did.
Russell is the guy you want sitting next to you. As long as Sandra made the final three with fellow villains I think she had it in the bag. I think Jerri would've been viewed as too coat-taily. That would have made for an interesting vote, though- Jerri, Parvati, or Sandra.
Sandra won this season like she won Pearl Islands. She kept her ear to the ground and did just enough to survive socially while everyone else scrambled around her.
I'm ready for a run of new blood. The Old Familiar Faces seasons get, well, old. Let's save the All-Star stuff for once every 10 seasons or so.
I'm also ready for some new twists- and just better hidden immunity idols- but I'm not sure what else they can really do.
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| 84 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Tue, May 18, 2010, 00:05
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Allowing the jury to vote anyway they want---for whatever reason--- is an issue I think the producers gladly allow and one I wholeheartedly support. What I find interesting to a certain degree is that it's hard for me to fathom that so many in the jury haven't "made up their mind", like Coach for example, but I can certainly see where the factions such as trust, loyalty, likeability, etc. come into play along with their wicked sisters of distrust, disloyalty, and dislikeability. Everybody is free to vote in accordance to their own values (or lack thereof) and for the most part, I'm ok with that.
Having said that, nobody in their right mind would ever consider voting FOR Russell if they had a chance. Why would they? He berated people, he bullyed whomever he could and apparently has never felt any remorse for playing the game the way he did.
If that's how he wants to play the game, fine. But he shouldn't expect people to throw him a ticker tape parade if he decided to treat people with the apparent contempt that I saw. Now, if he gets a chance to come back and compete again, I'd hope he'd bring some social skills with him because outside of that major character flaw, he is a superb player.
As much as we agree to disagree on who deserved what and so forth, the fact remains that these episodes are seriously edited---a fact we should never forget. If we only get to see 48 minutes of edited tape in a 168 hour week, there's absolutely no way we, the viewers, can make a snap judgment on who deserved to win or not. We don't know all that happened at the camps; we don't know all of what went down during the challenges; we don't know all of Jeff's queries at Tribal; we don't know what went on at Ponderosa......we just don't have enough information.
Likewise, I know the jury obviously doesn't have all the info either but at least they have more than any of us do.
Yet for all its inane moments, I'd leave Survivor just the way it is (except for the maddening 2 person or 3 person finale---will they please make up their mind one way or the other?)
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| 85 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Tue, May 18, 2010, 12:45
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how many jury members in this or past seasons are truly happy in their vote? how many regret their vote and would change it?
interesting question, i kept thinking the same thing when watching the reunion show. Ignoring the fact that i thought wrong person one, it seemed to me that sandra is no better than russell it was just that people took him more serious than her. I think given the chance she would be just as big a jerk and it seem to really come through at the reunion.
The other thing that really struck me was Colby's comments about how he did not really enjoy him self and that most of that had to do with how limited they were in where they could go. I have gotten to feeling that as the show has progressed the show has turned into big brother on an island. For me anyways i miss the part of show where they showed the people exploring the island looking for food, fishing, or where they wore. maybe in future seasons they will go back to making them suffer more.
Finally a few comments on Russell, watching the show it felt like he had given up towards the end. Maybe he was burned out from being on the show so much or maybe he had realized early one that he could not win the million. His behavior was completely different between the two seasons. But for me i enjoyed the fact that he was honest and actually just told people what he thought of them. The scene where he goes off on Rubert was great because he was completely right. Here is a guy that talks about he is better than everyone and embraces the fact that he is hero, he is also the same guy who became popular because he stole everyone shoes, now he just whines alot.
I have to think that if Russell could change one thing I bet he would have liked to have spoke up for Parvarti saying she had not rode his coat tales. I think the idea that sandra won hurts him to his soul.
The one change i would like to see them make if i was producing the show is i would get rid of the two tribes to start with and just throw everyone together. then randomly split the tribe up for the challenges. there would never be a merge they would just stop doing team challenges at some point and go to individual challenges. It could make things interesting if you are still doing team challenges when on 6 people are left.
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| 86 | JeffG
Dude
ID: 01584348
Wed, Jul 21, 2010, 08:57
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It may be too soon to post a Survivor 21 Nicaragua thread, but former Cowboys coach and FOX TV football analyst Jimmy Johnson is rumored to be one of the 18 contestants.
Other Survivor developments is that the show will be on Wednesdays at 8PM next fall (as it was season 1).
Season 21 rumored to be old (over 40) vs young (under 30).
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| 87 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Wed, Jul 21, 2010, 14:26
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86... I certainly hope that Jimmy Johnson will NOT be there. He's 67 years of age for heaven's sake. Nobody wants to see an old man on this show. Besides, what would happen to his infamous mane??? No amount of hairspray is going to help his cause against a Nicaragua summer!
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| 88 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Sun, Aug 01, 2010, 13:09
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Most of the spoiler sites are saying Johnson is a done deal and on Survivor 21.
They are done taping.
Also lots of rumors that Survivor 22 will hi-lite Russell and Boston Rob.
Russell's blog is saying No
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