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Subject: Poker Revisited...
Posted by: TaRhEElKiD
- [0134510] Wed, Apr 27, 2005, 00:56
Discussion has died down, but thought I would brag...
PokerStars Tournament #7275904, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $5.00/$0.50
676 players
Total Prize Pool: $14675.00
Tournament started - 2005/04/26 - 18:30:00 (ET)
Dear $DW12$,
You finished the tournament in 4th place.
A $1,012.58 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
You earned 223.62 tournament leader points in this tournament.
Congratulations!
Thank you for participating.
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Now the bad news. Had QQ, went all in. Called by JJ and a J comes on the flop. Lost me an extra $340 but those are the breaks and I am happy with the payout.
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| 137 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 18:55
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ok, I went and played a $6 one, I guess the blinds just go up quicker.
45 players started, 19 are left, I just fell to 12th place...
very first hand...one guy has pocket aces, one has pocket kings, one has pocket 4s. They go all in before the flop and an Ace hits on the flop and trip aces triples up right away
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| 138 | THK @ families bsmt
ID: 556572522
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 23:31
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J-
The blinds increase at a faster rate. Personally I believe turbos even the playing field, thus I hate them since I believe I am a better player than the field. I think turbos give an edge to the worse players because the good players can't sit back and play the game they want to...
That is my opinion at least...
THK
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| 139 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 23:47
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yeah, I'd agree with that. I finished 6th, so I won $18. I like thats its nice and quick though! But I think I should play the slower games. Let everyone beat each other up before I take their money :)
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| 140 | THK @ families bsmt
ID: 556572522
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 01:52
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Right now I am playing in the famous $11R ($25k guarunteed) tournament on PokerStars.
Top Prize: ~$13,000
Top 99 paid
127 left
Hopefully I can make a decent showing...
I really dropped in to ask a question of others. Say you are at the time where the blinds are significant and stealing blinds is prevalent and necessary (1,500/3,000 for example). You are on the button with everyone folding to you and you hold KK with a chip stack sitting right around average (55k we will say). What do you do? After I hear a few response I will tell what I did and why I am not sure it was the correct play.
THK
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| 141 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 02:05
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Would probably raise the minimum, make it look like a steal attempt. You want action, but dont want to give a free flop to rags in the BB, so a raise is neccessary. Hopefully one of the blinds would try to steal post-flop...
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| 142 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 030815418
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 02:07
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I've been reading the Dan Harrington book, and from my memory he recommends a raise of no more than 3 times the bb in that case, because you want to encourage the blinds to call and the weak raise may be interpreted as a cheap attempt at stealing the blinds.
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| 143 | THK @ families bsmt
ID: 556572522
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 02:07
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101 left...
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| 144 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 02:12
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Depends on the size of the blinds - if they are large, they'll probably call a bigger raise since they have more to defend with. I'd say about 3xBB as R9 says above sounds pretty good barring something out of the ordinary.
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| 145 | THK @ families bsmt
ID: 556572522
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 02:22
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Yahoo! I bluffed away my stack... ;-(
Short stacked now...
THK
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| 146 | THK @ families bsmt
ID: 556572522
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 02:29
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Terrible terrible play...
Bluffed 100k away...
It all ends with AQos vs JJ...no help for my Ace..but I had to make the move since I was short stacked after my terrible play...
$104 which is +83, but who cares. I ruined a shot at over $1,000 (top 8) with stupidity.
THK
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| 147 | THK @ families bsmt
ID: 556572522
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 02:37
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R9-
Please describe my stupidity (even though that guy played the hand very oddly and I think he is an amatuer player), because I am far too upset with myself to do so...
THK
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| 148 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 09:34
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Personally I like the Turbo tournaments. While I agree luck becomes a bigger factor...skill still has an edge. I just like them because I do not have the patience to play normal SnGs. Generally when I play SnGs it is because I have either won or lost a lot of money already and I do not want to risk any more real money but still want to play a little so I will play $5-$20 turbo tournaments.
Usually I will play extreme turbo tournaments which are two hands per round...obviously a lot of luck involved at the end but I still think a skilled player has an edge. Have around 14 hands before the tournament is over so you have to make a lot of moves...fun game to blow off a little steam and get all-in with nothing.
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| 149 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 10:45
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Kind of a funny hand from last night...
1-2 NL ... I had just doubled up a few hands previous with KK vs top pair top kicker (TPTK) against a player who was pretty loose and looked to be now tilting as he was betting big every hand. This player proceeds to double up when he goes all-in preflop with AJ and gets called by AQ (very loose play with marginal hands)...he spikes a J on the turn and now has ~250. I currently have ~360.
The hand...I am in bad early position one or two from the blinds. I get dealt 3-6o...go to fold and hit raise instead to 4...doh. The loose player raises to 6 and everyone else folds. Figure I might as well call for 2 more and I do that. Flop 3-6-8...lol beautiful. I check...he bets out 12 and I just call, wanting to build the pot a little before getting aggresive. I figure at this point my goal is going to be to get all of my money in the pot with this hand. Turn is a 3-6-8-J. I bet out 10 trying to make it look like I am trying to draw cheap and I am pretty confident he will raise. He raises to 20...I reraise to 30...he goes all-in...I call...he shows AK and is drawing dead. I scoop...he then proceeds to berate me for ten minutes for raising with 3-6o. Nice when a mistake pays off. Gave me a nice table image the rest of the night...any time rags hit the flop it seemed I was able to steal.
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| 150 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 11:32
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While I agree the raise threw everyone off, this clown is an excellent example of what befuddles me at times. WTF was he still doing in that pot at the turn? With your raise and the bets you called, certainly you had at least a pair and could have had a small pocket pair that tripped. He has two overcards and six outs - and that's assuming you hadn't hit two pair.
Sure you'd deserve to get a little heat for a raise with 3-6, but that doesn't mean HIS dumbass play is worth defending either! Geeeeeeeez.
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| 151 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 11:33
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I love when players berate others players to cover up their own bad play. When are people going to learn that AK is a drawing hand.
After a combination of cold decks and bad semi bluffs(it never fails that when I semi bluff with a flush draw with overcards that someone is sitting there with a set), I've decided to take a break from poker for awhile.
Multi tourney situation to discuss:
You are sitting with about 900 chips(average 1300-1500) at a multi tourney level 3 or 4 with blinds at 25/50. Dealt AKo in middle position, folds around to you when you make a standard raise to 3x big blind. 1 player behind you calls and the big blind(loose player has made a few questionable plays) pushes an average size stack all in, what do you do?
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| 152 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 11:46
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Good question. You are slightly behind to any pair lower than K (my guess at his hand) and at least 60/40 with any other hand (only AA is above 70/30 against you). I think if you feel you're one of the best players in the tourney, you'd lay it down and wait for a better shot. Personally, I feel I'm around average or slightly better, so I'd take the shot to double up+75 in this spot.
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| 153 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 12:03
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Would depend alot on what you think the guy still to act would do. AK in a three-way pot isn't nearly as strong as it is heads up. He's likely in a situation where he'd call if you fold and fold if you call, but you cant be sure of that. He could've slowplayed KK or AA with the intent of using his position to get the pot bigger later.
As far as the BB dude goes, if I was sure the guy left to act would fold, I'd call the all-in easily. Many weak players go all-in with AQ and AJ without second thought. Odds are pretty good you have him dominated or are coin flipping to a PP.
Obviously more often then not you can't be sure of the intent of the guy left to act. His hand/possible actions would worry me more then the BB's all-in. In the end though folding AK is always tough. If you wont call AK all-in, what will you call? If you don't build a stack soon you'll be forced all-in eventually anyway, and probably with holdings worse then AK...
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| 154 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 14:10
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One change I have made to my game recently is I will rarely enter a pot preflop without raising or reraising especially if I have position. I still will limp in early position on very aggressive tables but I find any kind of raise generally narrows the field and gets rid of most marginal holdings. Also gives you a much better chance of stealing the pot on the flop or if you do hit your hand there is more money to fight for which can cause poor players to make bad calls. If I am in late position and facing an earlier raise about the only hand I will just call with is small pocket pairs...any other hand I am either folding or raising. Trying to fold more with trouble hands like AJ AQ KQ...the key with NL is to be in position where you have the dominant holding like AK vs AQ/AJ or an overpair vs TPTK or a set vs TPTK/overpair.
If I had one tip with NL cash games if you want to be a steady winner it is to remain patient and only get involved with very big pots when you are pretty certain you have the best of it. It only takes one or two double ups a night to make good money if you avoid marginal situations. On most tables you should be able to steal enough small pots post-flop to pay for your blinds...so basically break even and then wait for your chance to double. Let other players make mistakes. The other main tip is to figure out who overplays marginal cards or will not make a laydown, these are the players that are going to pay you off when you get big cards (and do not try to bluff these players).
The above advice pertains more to ring games not tournaments where especially late you must do much more stealing/bluffing.
I am still kind of debating whether a very loose aggressive style/image isn't optimal but through experimentation I have found it very hard to play this way successfully (at least for me). Much more variance when you are not getting cards. I played this way last month for a couple weeks and had a few huge nights but then had just as many huge bad nights. The swings are just too big for me to stomach.
I guess I am still trying to get better and figure a way to make more money. When I build my bankroll I set aside a certain amount to experiment with and try different plays. Generally the experimentation does not yield great results and I fall back to playing a tight but very aggressive style and I end up steadily earning. Playing marginal cards preflop can put you in very bad positions against people who only play premium hands...takes a lot of discipline to get away from hands. Then again it is very beautiful when your marginal hand preflop hits it big on the flop and you can double through with crap cards.
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| 155 | biliruben
Leader
ID: 589301110
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 14:53
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I'm trying to work on the same thing in local 3-6 games. Almost never simply calling pre-flop. It's hard. One, it forces you to only play premium hands (a good thing, as I sometimes get impatient). Two, there is a lot of grumbling live. Nobody likes their blinds raised, and it gets people angry and wary (generally a good sign that it is a solid play). To somewhat compensate, I occasionally (very occasionally, or it can get expensive) play with marginal hands early in a session to throw folks off a pattern and make sure everyone doesn't simply fold when I raise pre-flop.
Generally in these loose games, I can get some action regardless, however.
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| 156 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 15:06
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I've tightened up my live 3-6 and 4-8 play as well after a few losing sessions. Too often I'd limp in with marginals like Q 10, J 10 and my favorite crap hand, 10-8. Then I'd hit top pair or 2nd pair and get stuck in the hand. Do that too many times and your stack just dwindles.
Last 2 sessions, playing at 4-8 for the first time (my usual card club was STACKED with 20 players on the list, so I said 'screw that' and went to the other local club whose lowest game is 4-8) I tightened up significantly. While it's hard when your old marginal crap hits a set or 2 pair, in the long run I firmly believe that the patience was a virtue and ended up winning in both sessions.
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| 157 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 16:21
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"this clown is an excellent example of what befuddles me at times. WTF was he still doing in that pot at the turn? With your raise and the bets you called"
This always confuses me to no end. Typical hand...I have AK or some other premium holding. I raise preflop...pot size bet...get a caller or two...the flop misses me or I catch a good draw to semi-bluff with...checks around...I make ~3/4 pot size bet to try and steal (same bet I would make if I make my hand)...I get a caller...now I am worried and know I am probably beat so I slow down...maybe make another play on the turn if a scary looking card comes...then check it at the river only to see the other player had pocket 44 or some other nonsense and was calling my bets with all over cards showing. Even worse they have 57o or something and catch a 7 on the river to steal the pot with nothing. Makes me laugh how people are able to make these calls with next to nothing...guess I shouldn't complain though as these are the same people that make the game profitable in the longrun.
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| 158 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 21:42
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First I would like to vent about my terrible tournament play recently. The $25k guarunteed tournament on PokerStars used to be a solid placing about 40% of the time over the span of a month...which made me a lot of $$$. Now, I can't place in it (besides last night) or the $10+1 regular tournament... I don't think I am playing poorly or the cards are unusually cold; I just always seem to be SSed when the blinds start getting large. UGH. Very frustrating since I know I can beat those tournaments!
Anyway...I had KK on the button and I ended up raising just 2.5 the BB. Luckily everyone folded, but I feel I made an incorrect play because that raise wasn't large enough IMO. Sure people thought it was a steal which is what I want, but a caller there and I didn't get much of his $$$ in and he still has the chance to hit 2 pair or something... Next time I have a very good hand on the button and all fold to me I will probably raise at least 4.5x the BB to ensure if this guy is going to hit 2 pair or Arag he will pay for it.
Wish me luck tonight...I probably need it.
THK
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| 159 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 00:10
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Playing in the same tournament...played great poker and had everyone dominated when the cards were flipped over...FOR AWHILE.
Ranked 22nd of the remaining 500 or so players..dealt AA UTG
Raise 4x BB...called by 2 guys
Q95 flops
I bet 1,000 (5x BB)...2nd position raises me his all in (5,000 more) when I have a stack of 32,000
I call...he flips over Q5os.....UGH, why couldn't I have at least seen a set?!?!
THK
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| 160 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 00:12
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Forgot the last part of that...
I called a 4k all in the next hand on a K high flush draw when in the BB bc of TILT...
No help vs 2 pair and now I am hovering at the avg chip stack (I have been over avg since the first 20 minutes)
THK
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| 161 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 00:33
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I am playing two tourneys toight (rarely play tournies but had some time and it is a nice change of pace).
$20 NL freezeout 47 players right now 35 players left and I am sitting in 4th...nothing spectacular yet...won a big pot on a bluff...and put someone all-in chasing a flush on the river.
10 NL turbo 57 players...just busted out in 49th...ran into some bad spots when my flush ran into a fullhouse...and a suited AK lost an all-in preflop to 66.
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| 162 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 00:41
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20 NL Level 3 and I am currently in 2nd. Got a nice pot holding 89s...limp in with position...normally I might raise here but have a nice stack and just want to see some flops. Flop comes K-10-8, early player makes a minimum bet, one caller, I raise 4x the bet , both call (not really liking that...was hoping to pick it up), turn is another 8 (great), both check to me, I bet around 1/3 the pot and take it down...was hoping to get a call.
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| 163 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 00:51
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20 NL Level 4 now have a nice lead in first place...8500...second has 5500...nearly double up against the second stack on the table. Hold J9 suited in BB. Call 100 along with about 5 others. Flop J-9-5 suited. I check someone bets 100 - SB raises to 500 - I reraise 1500 - SB calls - turn is a blank - SB bets 500 - I reraise hinm all-in ~1000 more. He shows AJ none of the suit...river is blank...
Level 4...Now at 10500...2nd place at 5800...24 players remain. Picked up a 4000 pot with TPTK on another 3 suit flop.
Time to change gears and tighten up a little and play premiums only for a level or so.
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| 164 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 00:56
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Just knocked out at a very poor 273 of ~1200...
AJ in the SB
long story short J48 flops and I go all in with a little less than the avg stack..
Called by the A high flush draw...hits it on the turn
THK
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| 165 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 01:01
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Level 5 . Limp with QQ UTG. Small raise behind me...2 callers...I reraise enough to put anyone who might call all-in. All fold. Not how I would normally play it but have such a lead that even if I lost the hand I would still be in first...and I don't want to risk some lone A or K flopping out on me.
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| 166 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 01:03
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On break...currently in 2nd with 10.6 ...first has 10.8...3rd 6.3. 17 players remain, top 5 pay.
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| 167 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 01:19
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Level 7...1st place...10.9k...12 players remain...a lot tighter up top...few other 10k stacks.
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| 168 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 01:26
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Final table...knock out the 11th place player all-in with QQ vs 10-10. In 1st w/15K...2nd has 10.6. Sticking with playing premiums...no need to take risks right now...
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| 169 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 01:55
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level 10...7 left...not getting anything to play...currently in 2nd w/12.7 ...a lot of all-ins preflop for such low blinds 400/800. staying out of the way for now...2 to the money. Noone very short stacked...making it a blind stealing fest.
doh...just lost a nice pot...had to fold to an all-in after spending too much...down to 6.3 in 6th.
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| 170 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 02:05
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Level 11...6 of us...i am card dead...nothing to play...have 5.1K ...2 big stacks the rest of us ~5k...who is going to bubble?
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| 171 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 02:23
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all-in JJ...steal blinds...sitting in 4th...hoping the short stacks gets eliminated.
both shortstacks just lose half there chips...looking better but I still need to double badly.
6th place eliminated. I am in the money...
Nice...pickup 2500...when I reraise with KQs. Have 7.1K in 4th. dang shortstack doubles and i am in 5th.
weeeee....I double with KQ vs A8 with a K on the river...now have 13.8 and am back in the game in 2nd. Still 5 left.
yes...eliminate 5th place player when my 88 holds up and flops a set vs AQ...now have 21K in a strong 2nd.
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| 172 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 02:40
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lucky...get in a flop with the other big stack...have A-10...flop comes A-9-3...he bets...I raise...he reraises...we are all-in...he flips A3 for two pair...I spike a 10 on the turn and double up...now in first with 41K...2nd 19K...3rd 9K...4th place player eliminated.
playing very passive...want to get heads up. hoping the other two will eliminate each other or i get a premium hand.
just lost most on my stack KQ vs AQ when I had top pair he had a straight. 11K
getting blinded to nothing...2 big stacks tangle..wrong one wins...
Get eliminated in 3rd and win 150...lose with K2 vs A8...basically was forced in.
successful tournament...I think I played terrible towards the end...refused to steal blinds as I was just hoping to move up and let others make the mistakes...considering I got very lucky a few times, happy with the finish.
Sorry for all the posts...just gave me something to do while playing.
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| 173 | biliruben
ID: 531202411
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 08:47
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Fine by me. Good to have something else to do so you keep thinking and don't play too many hands.
Played at a rediculously loose table last night, and sometimes that can bite you in the ass.
Loosened up a little, but still tried to resist the temptation to stoop and played decent poker.
Lost KK to 98 offsuit when he hit runner runner straight; and he was raising the whole way.
Lost when I made my set of jacks to 6-3 offsuit rivering a straight!
Lost another pocket jacks to 7-2 offsuit.
All to the same guy who was playing that stuff in early position. All very big pots, often capped pre-flop with nearly everyone in.
Lost maybe $100 in ~$300 pot when pocket fives turned into 5s full of 6s on the turn, against the first hand of what looked like a 15 year old, who I put on a straight, possibly a set, rivers quad 6s.
I know you get back against these guys in the long run (and I did, mostly), but it's hard not to tilt with that kind of nonesense. The guy next me did. Took his last chip in his teeth on a particularly bad beat, snapped it in half, threw the pieces and stomped out. Ah playing live!
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| 174 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 19:49
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Question for TRS, since he plays alot of ring games. Do you call an all-in pre-flop with AK? Situation one was just me left to act, everyone else folded, I called and took a big pot vs. AQ. Situation two there was still someone left to act so I folded, and the guy after called. Both had QQ and an A spiked on the river. I wasn't too upset as I feel I made the right play, but would like to know what you would do in the same situation.
I'm up 550$ in ring games the last two days just by playing my tight/agressive style at the higher limits. Maybe its just me, but people at higher limits respect my raises more (and thus make it easier for the occasional bluff) and I don't get sucked out nearly as often. Low limits I always seem to break even, which is why I haven't played alot of ring games... so I'm going to go with the higher limits (1$/2$ for me)for a while and see how I do.
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| 175 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 22:21
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AK...depends on the situation. Factors: Stack sizes...any read I have on the player...how much dead money is in the pot...how much I am up/down at the time...how far I am into the session...is the other player tilting...how many players are left to act +their stack sizes/reads/etc...is your AK sooooted...
Using 1-2 NL in the examples...
Stack sizes:
If it is a smaller stack like $40 or less I will usually call. Reasons I generally call smaller stacks: more likely they are playing garbage cards, a loss is not a big financial hit, I think it advertises a suspect call and gives the rest of the table something to think about when I call later or make a big bet...advertises a little looseness.
Larger stack and I do not have much invested already I would normally fold. AK is not all that strong preflop when faced with an all-in...it is a drawing hand...it is a dog to any pair and is crippled by AA/KK two of the likely hands to make all-in preflop plays. In ring games there is not a time limit, the blinds are not increasing, you have infinite opportunities...there will be better spots than calling an all-in preflop with AK. So generally I would say I am folding unless other factors make a call favorable.
Reads:
If I think someone is tilting or I know the player is very loose or a maniac I add that as a big plus in my consideration of whether to call or not. If it is a very tight player it is not a hard decision to fold.
Dead Money:
If I have already called a decent raise and their are some smaller stacks already in, that would add some incentive to call. Or if I am short-stacked I might call but know I am probably gambling when I do it (generally I do not play shortstacked...I reload if I am under 120).
Is there danger of a bigger stack behind me calling or raising more? I would say this is a minor consideration in this case...if I have a good read and think I am ahead of the all-in I would likely call regardless of position.
A suited AK has a slightly higher value but I assign most of that value in playing after the flop and the all-in negates that.
I would think in most cases you are behind if you make the call. The most likely hands to make an all-in raise or reraise preflop are pocket pairs in which you are a dog to any and dominated by AA or KK. The next most likely is another AK or AQ...you are a big favorite vs AQ...so only one of the most likely hands gives you an edge. The other factor is this is the internet and probably 10% of the time someone will turn over undercards and you will be a 60-40 favorite.
Hands like QQ, JJ, KK are much tougher to play in this spot.
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| 176 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 22:27
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AK in tournaments...I am much more likely to call especially if losing the hand does not cripple me.
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| 177 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 22:41
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Take it slow on the bigger tables. Yes you will see more consistent play but you are also going to run into more winning players who are going to be able to get away from hands more often, make fewer mistakes, and put you in bad spots.
The mistakes/suckouts at the lower limits can be frustrating, but in the longrun they should be very profitable if you play a good game.
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| 178 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 01:42
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Just cracked the $$$ in the $11R again...~170 left and I have a stack below avg by quite a bit...Will try to claw and double up...
Also, close 50 from placing in the $20+$2 but have A LOT of work to do for me not to bubble...
THK
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| 179 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 02:13
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74 of 104 in the $11R (top 180 paid)
49 of 93 in the $20 (top 99 paid)
So I placed...now I have to claw to make some real $$$...
THK
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| 180 | THK @ families bsmt
ID: 556572522
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 20:44
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Finished 43rd and 61st in the 2 tournaments last night I believe
THK
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| 181 | FRICK
ID: 3410101718
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 22:58
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Just finished 3rd in a S&G. Was the chip leader for a long time until I lost JJ vs QQ to the 2nd in chips.
Had to hang on and survive a couple of all ins to finish in 3rd.
The funny thing is both hands had a stomach punch factor to them. On the QQ vs JJ hand the river card was a Q, everything else had been rags.
On the hand that knocked me out I flip 34 vs J4. The flop is rags, but the river was a 3. Unfortunately the turn had been a J.
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| 182 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 01:23
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Check this run.....
PokerStars Game #2289111085: Tournament #10686648, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/08/08 - 01:03:53 (ET)
Table '10686648 117' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: stkbrkr1 (30283 in chips)
Seat 2: $DW12$ (22405 in chips)
Seat 3: cigar (50505 in chips)
Seat 4: XXXVic69 (24728 in chips)
Seat 5: magithighs (49397 in chips)
Seat 6: cwhite (14567 in chips)
Seat 7: cguard111 (6185 in chips)
Seat 8: Paramnesia1 (29675 in chips)
Seat 9: chris0118 (26967 in chips)
stkbrkr1: posts the ante 75
$DW12$: posts the ante 75
cigar: posts the ante 75
XXXVic69: posts the ante 75
magithighs: posts the ante 75
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7 hands later
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PokerStars Game #2289143962: Tournament #10686648, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/08/08 - 01:08:28 (ET)
Table '10686648 117' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: stkbrkr1 (36358 in chips)
Seat 2: $DW12$ (28065 in chips)
Seat 3: cigar (51855 in chips)
Seat 4: XXXVic69 (23603 in chips)
Seat 5: magithighs (49472 in chips)
Seat 6: cwhite (14717 in chips)
Seat 7: nothin2gein (63471 in chips)
Seat 8: Paramnesia1 (23750 in chips)
Seat 9: chris0118 (21042 in chips)
stkbrkr1: posts the ante 75
$DW12$: posts the ante 75
cigar: posts the ante 75
XXXVic69: posts the ante 75
magithighs: posts the ante 75
cwhite: posts the ante 75
nothin2gein: posts the ante 75
Paramnesia1: posts the ante 75
chris0118: posts the ante 75
cigar: posts small blind 600
XXXVic69: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to $DW12$ [Ac Kh]
magithighs: calls 1200
cwhite: folds
nothin2gein: calls 1200
Paramnesia1: folds
chris0118: calls 1200
stkbrkr1: folds
$DW12$: raises 3600 to 4800
cigar: folds
XXXVic69: folds
magithighs: calls 3600
nothin2gein: calls 3600
chris0118: calls 3600
*** FLOP *** [8d Kc 9c]
magithighs: checks
nothin2gein: checks
chris0118: bets 8400
$DW12$: raises 14790 to 23190 and is all-in
magithighs: folds
nothin2gein: folds
chris0118: calls 7767 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [8d Kc 9c] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [8d Kc 9c Qd] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
chris0118: shows [9h Ad] (a pair of Nines)
$DW12$: shows [Ac Kh] (a pair of Kings)
$DW12$ collected 54009 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 54009 | Rake 0
Board [8d Kc 9c Qd 2d]
Seat 1: stkbrkr1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: $DW12$ (button) showed [Ac Kh] and won (54009) with a pair of Kings
Seat 3: cigar (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: XXXVic69 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: magithighs folded on the Flop
Seat 6: cwhite folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: nothin2gein folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Paramnesia1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: chris0118 showed [9h Ad] and lost with a pair of Nines
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NEXT HAND!
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PokerStars Game #2289157914: Tournament #10686648, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/08/08 - 01:10:25 (ET)
Table '10686648 117' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: stkbrkr1 (36283 in chips)
Seat 2: $DW12$ (61032 in chips)
Seat 3: cigar (51180 in chips)
Seat 4: XXXVic69 (22328 in chips)
Seat 5: magithighs (44597 in chips)
Seat 6: cwhite (14642 in chips)
Seat 7: nothin2gein (58596 in chips)
Seat 8: Paramnesia1 (23675 in chips)
stkbrkr1: posts the ante 75
$DW12$: posts the ante 75
cigar: posts the ante 75
XXXVic69: posts the ante 75
magithighs: posts the ante 75
cwhite: posts the ante 75
nothin2gein: posts the ante 75
Paramnesia1: posts the ante 75
XXXVic69: posts small blind 600
magithighs: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to $DW12$ [As Ah]
cwhite: folds
nothin2gein: folds
Paramnesia1: folds
stkbrkr1: folds
$DW12$: raises 3600 to 4800
cigar: raises 46305 to 51105 and is all-in
XXXVic69: folds
magithighs: folds
$DW12$: calls 46305
*** FLOP *** [5c 5s Ts]
*** TURN *** [5c 5s Ts] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [5c 5s Ts Qs] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
$DW12$: shows [As Ah] (a flush, Ace high)
cigar: shows [Ad Kh] (a pair of Fives)
$DW12$ collected 104610 from pot
chickendog is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 104610 | Rake 0
Board [5c 5s Ts Qs 8s]
Seat 1: stkbrkr1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: $DW12$ showed [As Ah] and won (104610) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: cigar (button) showed [Ad Kh] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 4: XXXVic69 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: magithighs (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: cwhite folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: nothin2gein folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Paramnesia1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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10 hands later
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Dealt AKos...raise to 7k...guy raises all in for 51k and I fold. He says Js...not sure what I think.
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NEXT HAND!!
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Dealt AA...win the blinds
WOW!!!! Ranked 7th of 225 right now...top 135 paid. Trying to place for the 3rd time in 4 days
THK
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| 183 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 03:04
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Hands dried up big time...
Pushed with AJ for 2x the BB after being dwindled badly...K7 calls and he hits 2 pair.
For some reason I just can't make a damn run to the final table. It is so frustrating...
44th tonight...$173 total...up $142, but I am sick of these so so finishes! I am not normally going to place 3 nights out of 4 and I can't even take advantage once...
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
THK
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| 184 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 10:17
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That is what tournament poker is all about...a lot of losses and then hopefully eventually one big win. At least you are getting in the money and making a couple $$$, you are doing better than most.
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| 185 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 10:19
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I am going to start a new poker thread...this one is getting a bit long.
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| 186 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 10:27
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Poker Part II
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