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Subject: ATTN TSN: Do you have a problem? Posted by: Wian - Sustainer [4210183022] Thu, Dec 05, 2002, 07:08 I unusually, manually checked a divisional leader's team this morning and seem to have found a discrepancy with his scoring for 12/04. A quick addition of the two players that scored points for this day equals 80, not 115. On further investigation of his weekly stats breakdown for 12/04 we can see that for some reason he's scoring points for Brendan Morrison who is not on his frozen roster. This may be an aspect of the game that I don't fully understand. If anyone has an explanation for me, I'd be grateful if you could bring me up to speed. | ||||||
| 81 | Dan Sustainer ID: 0229323 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 18:54 | The backdoor used to be, changing "frozen_roster" to "manager_other" but they got rid of that but still left the option by changing it to "buy_sell" hopefully this does get resolved. | |||||
| 82 | biliruben Sustainer ID: 5310281417 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 18:57 |
Thanks, Richard. I feel for you, giving up your baby, and some of your enjoyment, for the good of the game. If it makes you feel better, I will always think of you as the god of repricing. Now doesn't that feel better! ;) | |||||
| 83 | Perm Dude Leader ID: 351131521 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 19:00 |
bili, that would be God of Repricing, I believe. Richard, I nominate you for Guru, Jr. pd | |||||
| 84 | Teddybears Donor ID: 210492212 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 19:08 |
How many managers knew of this? I guess we'll never know. | |||||
| 85 | walk Leader ID: 410551120 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 19:38 |
No, it was and is the Lord of the Repricing. I have a lot of respect for Richard and his skills, information sharing and constant source of level-headed and balanced posting over the years. Now he has taken a path that involved a degree of personal compromise, for the greater good. Good show, man! I'll be gassing up at Chevron going forward (when I rent my cars!). - walk | |||||
| 86 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor ID: 266182910 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 19:41 | [Raises his hand] I knew. | |||||
| 87 | ukula Donor ID: 383222 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 19:42 |
Richard I commend you for revealing your secret for the good of the game. It seems Dan knew of this as well. I wonder how many others. Ok boys, lets get back to the game and see who wins. For the rest of you don't forget that if it wasn't for me stirring up the hornet's nest and ruffling so many feathers this never would have been brought out in the daylight. This was my goal all along - to close up this window for the good of the game. Mission accomplished (I hope). ukula | |||||
| 88 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor ID: 266182910 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 19:43 | RE #75, the URL Richard provided in #79 lets you see anybody's current roster as of the second you view it. Any trades made, even after the freeze, would be able to be viewed through that URL, so you are seeing the same exact "live" roster that the user would see if they logged into and viewed their own team. | |||||
| 89 | biliruben Sustainer ID: 5310281417 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 19:43 | I knew back when I cared. I haven't managed to convince myself to pay to play, so I obviously wouldn't keep up with the back-door addys. | |||||
| 90 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor ID: 266182910 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 19:46 | ukula, don't get all high and mighty. It wasn't your methods that brought about resolution. If you look back at #79, you'll see that Richard directly responds to Perm Dude. As a matter of fact, the whole "issue" was brought to light by Richard himself in post #5, not by you. All you did was debate whether it was fair or not. Don't forget that. | |||||
| 91 | walk Leader ID: 410551120 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 19:47 |
ukula's need for recognition. Ask you shall not receive young man. ;-) walk | |||||
| 92 | RecycledSpinalFluid ID: 42121814 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 19:47 | Don't strain any ligaments patting yourself on the back. | |||||
| 93 | Rogue Nine ID: 44111615 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 19:51 | Am I still under suspicion for cheating? Just curious. ;) | |||||
| 94 | ukula Donor ID: 383222 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 19:57 |
ukula lights the match and the cockroaches go scurrying to the shadows. At least I had the sack to challenge the masses who were reluctant to reveal their secrets. It was ukula against the world. I SHOCKED THE WORLD. You're all bitter. I won. My goal was achieved. That is enough for me. No need for accolades. ukula | |||||
| 95 | Teddybears Donor ID: 210492212 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 19:58 |
Why not go all the way, and not show current roster value and trades left? Only frozen information should be able to be viewed. | |||||
| 96 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor ID: 266182910 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 20:02 |
I'm suddenly reminded of something that stinkypuff posted in this thread in the Baseball Forum: Uvula: Thing that hangs in the back of your mouth serving no apparent purpose. Ukula: Thing that hangs around the message boards serving no apparent purpose. | |||||
| 97 | Richard Leader ID: 5410352713 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 20:06 |
Teddybears - why show anything but total points achieved by the other managers? Richard | |||||
| 98 | ukula Donor ID: 383222 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 20:08 |
KKB - Funny stuff. Too bad you didn't think of it yourself. Sure I have a purpose on these boards..... STRIKE THE MATCH! ukula | |||||
| 99 | Perm Dude Leader ID: 351131521 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 20:12 |
All the accolades should go to Richard. I advocated privately revealing the information, but he went and put it out here, a job above and beyond. Clapclapclap, buddy. Sorry, U. While you had me on your side the first couple of posts, to turn combative is not the same as continuing to put forth an argument. Indeed, your posts after #15, IMO, made it less likely for this problem to be solved. You continued to get in the way of your own goal, post after post (much like a Blue Jacket defender, I might add). pd | |||||
| 100 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor ID: 266182910 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 20:12 |
You're right, however I, unlike you, didn't claim responsibility for something I have no responsibility for. You'll see that I actually bolded the name of the originator. "Strike the match?" With the stuff you're spouting off, I wouldn't recommend getting any matches near it. | |||||
| 101 | Richard Leader ID: 5410352713 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 20:17 |
You don't have a clue do you, ukula Richard | |||||
| 102 | ukula Donor ID: 383222 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 20:20 |
I tipped off Erick and Bernie to this whole thread. The more I spouted off the more you guys tangled yourself in your own web of lies. Don't blame me. You did it to yourself. It was all part of my master plan and you all played a part much like the puppeteer controls the puppets. Thanks for your doing your part. ukula | |||||
| 103 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor ID: 266182910 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 20:23 |
Yeah, I'm sure the "ATTN TSN: Do you have a problem?" thread title, created by Wian had absolutely no part in Erik or Bernie finding this thread. It was surely all your doing, ukula. How in the world would they have ever found this thread without your tip? You're really making quite a fool of yourself ukula. | |||||
| 104 | biliruben Sustainer ID: 5310281417 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 20:42 |
 Ukula The Mockery (actually Ookla the Mok) I used to love this show. Really. | |||||
| 105 | Toral Sustainer ID: 2111201313 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 20:49 |
Richard An act of superorgation. Very commendable. I just hope you did it because it was what you thought was right and not because you were hornswoggled into it by that casuist PermDude. ;) Toral | |||||
| 106 | Perm Dude Leader ID: 351131521 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 21:00 |
Toral just can't get his head around the idea of an "Ethical Clinton Supporter" :) | |||||
| 107 | Chitown ID: 4894520 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 21:11 |
After reading a lot of the posts I have this to say. If the teams in the NHL know what players each have then why should'nt we. Richard you did the right thing, was that all of them? :) | |||||
| 108 | Richard Leader ID: 5410352713 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 21:14 |
Chitown - I bared all I know. That was the only way I'd found to see current roster info. Others smarter than I might know other ways. Richard | |||||
| 109 | ukula Donor ID: 383222 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 21:41 |
You see the first part of investigative work is to elicit emotion which was achieved by yours truly. I prefer to call it "stirring up the hornet's nest". After that it was pretty simple actually. You guys spun a web that you couldn't work your way out of. In the classic Good Cop/Bad Cop I played the part of the Bad Cop. I obtained Richard's confession in a different thread and the rest of you collapsed like a house of cards. Bernie came in to pick up the pieces near the end. Your anger and resentment toward me stems from the realization that you had been conned. Your embarrassment reveals itself in anger as a sort of defense mechanism. ukula (Roto Con Man) 1 Good Ol' Boy Gurupie Network 0 ukula In Search of Truth and Justice | |||||
| 110 | Twarpy Leader ID: 17103822 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 21:59 |
Ukula, congrats job well done, it seems you're more happy that you ruined a good thing in what Richard does. Him and other gurupies for year have always been the first to answer when anyone asks approximately how owned is a player. At the beginning of the year they share all their info on who is most heavily drafted before the start of the year. I know a lot of gurupies knew about it, but the only way I can see it being used to a huge advantage is if and when you're in first place and you're just copying the other teams, which to my knowledge has never been done before. I find it ironic that Richard actually was sharing this information with everyone and you feel that you've won a huge battle for yourself and many other people who didn't know. FWIW I haven't even used it once since knowing about (3 years) if you actually wanted to see who a person has on their team before the freeze all you have to do is look at their Roster Value before and after, and see oh they used one trade and see what adds up. Thanks Richard for all you've done. | |||||
| 111 | Puckprophet @shop1 ID: 91114621 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 22:24 | this is all getting stupid, people... | |||||
| 112 | Bernie H. ID: 33703110 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 23:20 | Thanks, Richard. For what it's worth, we found it ourselves pretty quickly after we started looking. I can't believe we let that one go for so long. | |||||
| 113 | dollarbill ID: 151150621 Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 23:29 |
You know, I got so burned out on playing any fantasy sports last season that I have just taken the last few months off and have played very little of the TSN sports. I do know, however, that in the past, I have used the wisdom gained from many of the posts that Richard and many of the rest of you have made to make me a better fantasy player. Thank you all very much. One other thing I learned a long time ago, sometimes it's better to keep your thoughts to yourself lest everyone really find out how dumb you are. Ukula, grow up!!! | |||||
| 114 | Taxman Leader ID: 271025153 Sat, Dec 07, 2002, 14:19 |
Ukula could be substituted for Ira in the trade proferred to the bball boards by our resident Penguin person. At least Ukula would understand why he is being traded. Walk, I am disappointed to find out you are not cheating, I was so hoping that you were just not smarter than the rest of us. Attaboy Richard...thanx for your many gifts/insights etc over the years Thread of the season award | |||||
| 115 | walk Leader ID: 410551120 Sat, Dec 07, 2002, 20:22 |
flattery will get you everywhere, taxman! - walk | |||||
| 116 | Die_Habs ID: 351059221 Sun, Dec 08, 2002, 02:34 |
Ukoula writes "You see the first part of investigative work is to elicit emotion which was achieved by yours truly. I prefer to call it "stirring up the hornet's nest". After that it was pretty simple actually. You guys spun a web that you couldn't work your way out of. In the classic Good Cop/Bad Cop I played the part of the Bad Cop. I obtained Richard's confession in a different thread and the rest of you collapsed like a house of cards. Bernie came in to pick up the pieces near the end. Your anger and resentment toward me stems from the realization that you had been conned. Your embarrassment reveals itself in anger as a sort of defense mechanism. ukula (Roto Con Man) 1 Good Ol' Boy Gurupie Network 0 ukula In Search of Truth and Justice" ----> Didn't he write somewhere about someone with A LOT of times on their hands. I would go back and quote it like justice boy but I am to lazy :) | |||||
| 117 | Taxman Leader ID: 271025153 Sun, Dec 08, 2002, 09:36 | Walk, a mere token of what I think about Dan, the man with the see thru balls(are they crystal):>) | |||||
| 118 | Canadian Striker ID: 431110814 Sun, Dec 08, 2002, 15:20 |
This is why I stopped playing TSNFH. Too many people taking advantage of loopholes, and don't even try to tell me that knowing who other people have on their rosters isn't an advantage. I probably won't check this board for another week or so anyway, so if you do reply I probably won't see it. Keeping up with trades and that is just way to time consuming for me to continue doing anyway. Now I just watch games, and cheer for the teams I actually want to win. No more of this ohh I want Vancouver to win but I have Roy on my fantasy team, so lets go Avs... lol. Peace out, hope everyone has a good holiday break. | |||||
| 119 | ukula Donor ID: 383222 Sun, Dec 08, 2002, 22:56 |
It must be getting late. I thought I just read a post where someone actually agreed with me. I must be seeing things - it just can't be. I need some sleep. ukula in the absence of light, there is darkness. | |||||
| 120 | RecycledSpinalFluid ID: 211013916 Mon, Dec 09, 2002, 01:09 | This reminds me that Al Gore invented the internet. You all know that, don't you. | |||||
| 121 | ukula Donor ID: 383222 Mon, Dec 09, 2002, 06:23 |
A man comes home late from work reeking of perfume. His wife asks him if he is having an affair. "Of course not!" said the man. "I was just over my 28 year old secretary's apartment watching TV". "You're having an affair?" asks the wife. "No, we just watch TV, we've been doing this for three years!". Upset, the wife calls one of the husbands friends. "Can you believe this?" asks the wife. "Don't give him such a hard time, you don't realize how good he treats that girl. So he spends time with her, that doesn't mean he doesn't love you. In fact, he says that time with her doesn't fulfill him like time spent with you. I can't believe you're giving him such a hard time" says the husband's friend. | |||||
| 122 | ukula Donor ID: 383222 Mon, Dec 09, 2002, 06:25 | "You ruthless b*tch! You ought to be ashamed of yourself for even questioning him!" add the friend. | |||||
| 123 | Rogue Nine ID: 44111615 Mon, Dec 09, 2002, 06:30 |
Booooooooooooooooooooo. How lame. Rogue in the absence of intelligence, there is stupidity. | |||||
| 124 | ukula Donor ID: 383222 Mon, Dec 09, 2002, 06:43 |
The husband's friend continues - "He is such a wonderful guy. He buys her presents and even gives her kids money for school. Thanks for ruining a good thing......B*TCH!" In the absence of current roster sampling there is decreased Roster Value. | |||||
| 125 | The Left Wings ID: 1668298 Mon, Dec 09, 2002, 06:51 |
Man... You guys... I don't know what else to say, other than I couldn't care less what others have on their rosters, as long as I know the general trend, which is not hard to figure out using your own experience. In the absence of good posts, there are bad posts. | |||||
| 126 | Taxman Leader ID: 271025153 Mon, Dec 09, 2002, 08:30 |
Let me see if I can get all this squeeling square. Uvuala, in ESDNHL Div., today, Walk in 9th has $59,200 and you in 10th have $58,810 and I am 11th with $56,140. So who among us is a cheat, and why does it make a a difference again. Absence of respect for fellow man is lonlyliness. A tough pill to choke on during the hollidays. | |||||
| 127 | ukula Donor ID: 15112796 Mon, Dec 09, 2002, 08:46 |
Taxman - I wasn't accusing anyone of cheating in my lost posts. I was just sharing a 'feel-good' Holiday story with the boys on the rotoguru.com message board. For the sake of everyone on these boards please try to control your anger/bitterness/resentment during the holiday season. Happy Holidays! ukula The courage to stand alone. | |||||
| 128 | RecycledSpinalFluid ID: 211013916 Mon, Dec 09, 2002, 10:20 |
For some strange reason, I am compelled to post this: "I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy - but that could change." Dan Quayle "What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." (Sorry, thats another Quayle quote.) | |||||
| 129 | Rogue Nine ID: 44111615 Mon, Dec 09, 2002, 11:40 |
"Anyone who still believes that these guys are playing by the rules also believe that the crash at Roswell was a weather balloon, Kennedy was killed by a lone gunman, we actually landed on the moon, and Britney Spears is a virgin. This is BS." Right, no accusations of cheating. You just accused us of not playing by the rules. Which is a completely different thing. Right? Wrong? (The answer is WRONG, nitwit.) Stinkypuff said it best: Uvula: Thing that hangs in the back of your mouth serving no apparent purpose. Ukula: Thing that hangs around the message boards serving no apparent purpose. Now go away. | |||||
| 130 | B-TRAIN ID: 111112213 Mon, Dec 09, 2002, 15:24 | Word! | |||||
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