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Subject: Attn: ATHS Managers ... We're Doomed Again!
Posted by: ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤
- [177142220] Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 21:14
It's time for season four of About Time Hockey Starts; Dr. Doom has agreed to return as commissioner [applause]. This is a Yahoo! league with head-to-head scoring.
Here's where we left off at the end of the 2003–2004 season ... recognize your team's name?
ThinkbigIII
HoserNight in Canada [in]
philflyboy
StL Blues
Toral Wheatfarmers
Dan
TaxStars
Twarpys Tdotters
double hockey quiks
Challengers Blazers
Little M
Dr. Doom [in]
Curbys Ice Capades [in]
Roguination
Please post here if you're coming back. Those who are in our ATHS baseball group will find the hockey ID and password posted on the (baseball) league message board.
Default settings, open to discussion:
Draft Type: Offline Draft
Max Teams: 14
Scoring Type: Head-to-Head
Max Moves: 30
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Reject Time: 2
Trade End Date: March 9, 2006
Waiver Time: 2 days
Can't Cut List Provider: Yahoo! Sports
Trade Review: League Votes
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Weekly Deadline: Daily - Tomorrow
Start Scoring on: Week 1
Roster Positions: C, C, LW, LW, RW, RW, D, D, D, D, G, G, BN, BN, BN, BN, IR, IR
Stat Categories: G, A, +/-, PIM, PPP, GWG, W, GAA, SV%, SHO |
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| 178 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 15:45
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Dr Doom....2 hrs pretty please. We are still loosing minimum of 6 hours draft time each round with an occassional 3rd or 4th manager disappearing.
pfb...I will be around this week end and will be happy to provide phone support if needed. Actually that goes out to anyone in need of help this week end...phone support or leaveing me your queues.
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| 179 | ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤
ID: 418382711
Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 16:46
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Doom, Dan's team will time out while I'm commuting. I'll send you a very short queue (and hope it arrives) for round 12.
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| 180 | philflyboy
ID: 127332712
Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 16:52
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I have Butchie and My picks so be ready to move around the corner
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| 181 | Dr. Doom
ID: 232152517
Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 17:59
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I have a Moose queue.
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| 182 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 21:46
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Double D...you continue to post while I am typing.
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| 183 | Dr. Doom
ID: 232152517
Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 22:07
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I have a queue for ben_979, so it's your turn in just over an hour Taxman.
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| 184 | jakerbelly
ID: 518271922
Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 22:16
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I'll be around to pick as well
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| 185 | Little M
ID: 46881516
Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 17:33
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I see Radek Bonk being drafted by both Twarpy (10.09) and Philflyboy (13.02). Am I missing something? I didn't think that the system would allow this. Maybe someone ran a stop sign.
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| 186 | philflyboy
ID: 51752415
Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 18:19
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hmmmmm that must have been a makeup pick by twarpy I didn't see he was gone. I did not go through a stop sign either it never popped up. I will have to make another pick. grrrr I really liked that pick too ;(
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| 187 | Dr. Doom
ID: 232152517
Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 18:22
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It's more likely my fault when making up that pick. Perhaps there are no stop signs in the fix up a previous pick process. I will fix Twarpy's pick.
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| 188 | ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤
ID: 48852717
Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 20:03
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Doom: Pick 14.08 (Ovechkin) is not yet in the player pool. Consider this a protest.
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| 189 | Dr. Doom
ID: 232152517
Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 20:08
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Neither is Jeff Carter, or Tverdosky or Vanek or Bochenski. Why didn't we protest any of these.
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| 190 | Dr. Doom
ID: 232152517
Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 20:08
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Since we didn't why should this person has concluded that Ovechkin was out of bounds.
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| 191 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 22:52
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Invitations sent to somw managers in this league (let me know asap if you didn't get one and you are interested) for a yahoo 10 team h2h live draft to be held tomorrow @ 6:30 PM EST that is a shallow league (only 17 position players and a 5 man bench for 220 draft picks) leaving lots of weekly waiver action for injuries or if you want to play the "how many games a week can i get in" strategy
...hope some of you join.
Interesting that with shorter clock in ATHS league we are still experiencing @ 8 hrs/day of clock timed out missed picks. Wonder if there is a REAL solution to this problem. Never seen anything like it.
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| 192 | jakerbelly
ID: 518271922
Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 23:50
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wasnt aware of those other guys but I have to side with Moose on this. The only reason I didnt take Ovechkin rounds ago is because he wasnt in Yahoo. Usually those guys go via the waiver wire order.
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| 193 | Dr. Doom
ID: 232152517
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 00:19
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So what should I do, invalidate the previous 6 rounds since a non-Yahoo player has been picked, and we can go through this again.
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| 194 | ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤
ID: 48852717
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 07:50
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It's rather frightening to learn that jaker and I were of the same thinking (i.e., monitoring Yahoo! for Ovechkin's name to appear). My opinion, for what it's worth: Drafting a player not currently in the Yahoo! pool constitutes an invalid pick; it circumvents one of the rules: the waiver wire process. Award make-up selections when the manager's next turn in the draft occurs, but not before.
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| 195 | philflyboy
ID: 51752415
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 08:51
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I knew early on that we would be able to pick anyone. No problem here with leaving them on the teams that drafted them.
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| 196 | Little M
ID: 46881516
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 10:15
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I had the same understanding as PFB, that everyone was available to be picked. That is how it worked two years ago, when Hasek wasn't on the Yahoo list. Otherwise, it can give the team with the first waiver selection a huge advantage.
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| 197 | jakerbelly
ID: 568552213
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 11:00
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lil M, That's why the waiver wire order is set the way it is. It gives the team that drafted last first choice to claim waivered players. When they use it they go to the back of the line. PB, could you share exactly how you "knew". It wasn't communicated to me. Whatever the group decides is fine, IMHO I think using the waiver wire aspect adds another element to the draft.
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| 198 | uther 44 flot
ID: 981299
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 11:02
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I have to believe that something like this would have to be set before the draft began. If all do not understand the basic rules of a coordinated effort such as this, it should then revert back to what is the norm for any draft in an online league. Otherwise, what would be the reasoning behind the waiverwire? That would be as Moose has explained. I fear however that there may be no way to be completely "just" in any decision made now to correct this.
As for the luck of the waiverwire positioning, it's part of any league you get into that does not have a previous year standings to base a draft on - you get lucky, and it usually is the reverse order of the draft. The waiverwire first position was always a way to off-set the poor luck of having the last pick in the draft. :)
IMHO (Always have to include the small print)
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| 199 | uther 44 flot
ID: 981299
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 11:06
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by the way -
Hello Jaker my buddy ole pal, it appears that you are making life miserable in the baseball league. Bad offensive team early for me which sunk me from almost week one, but I had thought I recovered enough to look semi-respectful. You humble me :)
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| 200 | philflyboy
ID: 51752415
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 11:09
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ATHS has exsisted for a few years now and we use the same ground rules for every draft. It never even occurred to me that we would NOT be able to draft anyone we wanted because we have ALWAYS been able to do so. Now I understand that the new people to our group probably did not know that but all the people who have been with us should have known that.
This far into the draft I am not sure there is anything that can be done to solve this problem other than go on. Sorry to all those who missed out but we have been drafting since round 8 with players being taken who are not listed in yahoo. that pick would have been made last week.
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| 201 | jakerbelly
ID: 568552213
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 11:10
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As usual Flot you said it better than I could :) I guess this is what happens I guess when draftworld's collide!
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| 202 | ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤
ID: 4186297
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 11:55
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Memory refresher:
Brian, if I recall correctly, ATHS began as an autopick league with quite a few of your Philly-area chums. The second year, we went to an offline draft; I believe KKB was in that group and the main gripe was that we had no limit on player acquisitions (one team made nearly as many roster changes as the rest of the league combined). In neither instance did we draft players who were not already in the Yahoo! pool.
For the 2003-2004 season, we drafted here, using Doom's nifty little tool. The issue of selecting athletes "off the board" arose with such players as Pitkanen and Fleury, the Pens' goalie, and it was argued at length. This deviation from Yahoo! rules is unfair to teams at the end of the draft order, who should be entitled "first dibs" on players as they are added to the game, and, unless agreed upon in advance of the draft, should not be allowed to occur.
Doom, if you permit the draft to stand as it is, at the very least you should drop the teams who "jumped the wire" to the very bottom of the waiver order.
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| 203 | philflyboy
ID: 127332712
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 12:31
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Mario as always you are correct and I stand corrected. I was viewing some of the old ATHS threads and I did find an instance where we talked about players not in the yahoo database and we did not allow people to take them. I know i have been in many leagues were we were able to draft anyone and I must have confused those leagues with this one.
I still think restarting the draft or making someone lose a player they picked rounds ago is a tough thing to do at this point, I do however, like your idea of moving them down the WW priority list.
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| 204 | uther 44 flot
ID: 981299
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 12:35
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As a new person to this draft, not to some of you I have matched sports fantasy teams with in the past, I would have to defer to those "who know" about past practices.
The core group will decide the fate of this I'm sure. Enjoy, maybe the offending players will simply break a leg :)
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| 205 | Dr. Doom
ID: 232152517
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 12:59
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I can see arguments for both sides of this discussion. From a draft perspective, no one is getting an unfair draft. Picking 1st and 28th is about as bad as it gets, at least that is my view.
Going back in my memory to the Hasek year, although it didn't exactly pan out as I recall, Hasek had a less than stellar year, a pick like that, if it works swings the balance way the other way. The last pick has one position on his roster, that could be a solid lock on his roster and can draft to fill other positions with quality players, so you could in essense get 3 first round picks.
As for those the do get picked, Pitkanen, Fleury, Ruutu, I don't know that any of them stayed on a roster for the season.
Also, I am mildy annoyed that Yahoo has only Crosby entered into the list of available players. When I gathered my list of Yahoo players on the day the draft started, Crosby was not there. When I made my second and third pick, he was not there, before I get my next pick, he shows up and Moose nabs him. Is that any more "fair".
Pavel Datsyuk, threatens to play in Russia and gets bypassed for almost 4 rounds. An hour after he's rumoured to sign. He's picked. Is that fair or fortunate.
There is absolutely no chance of pleasing everyone in these drafts. If we want to be limited as to how we draft, lets do it online. If we want to do whatever we want, the slow (very slow) offline is seems to be an option for that.
This is in large part my fault. I should have remembered the trials we endured in the last one and didn't, apologies to all.
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| 206 | jakerbelly
ID: 568552213
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 15:59
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We are all in agreement then, its Doom's fault :)
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| 207 | philflyboy
ID: 127332712
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 16:04
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Doom's fault? I must not have been ready all this correctly here all along I thought it was Taxman's fault!!
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| 208 | Dr. Doom
ID: 232152517
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 17:00
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I have queues for Uther and Rogue.
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| 209 | isles72
ID: 395412514
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 17:39
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I just assumed since a good handful of the gurus in this league are also in the other slow live draft -which just ended ......we were going by the same drafting rules regarding players not yet listed with yahoo .
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| 210 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 19:30
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alas, I have been found out....but the Cowboy QB has a sturdier groin than the iggle QB.
and my silence on the sloppy/selective yahoo player listings is required by my 8th round selection of Carter....however...I do not remember getting the Stop Sign on that pick....or was that a pick made on my behalf (via queue) whilst I was traveling about ducking various hurricanes.
(OT and belongs in the political threads) Which reminds me of the funniest political satire of the week from (granted many do not see/understand his humor)Bill Mayer proffered: "President Bush, you are a category 5 president".
and speaking of queue...in this draft it has been used like queue referred to that gentleman from the James Bond movies giving 007 all his newest explosive toys.
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| 211 | Little M
ID: 46881516
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 19:50
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DD, if you have a queue for U44 he is up.
I also hope that you don't mind me sending you a queue, since you seem to have them for U44 and R9.
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| 212 | Dr. Doom
ID: 232152517
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 20:01
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No problem, I could be working all night.
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| 213 | Little M
ID: 46881516
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 20:03
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Queue sent to DD and PFB.
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| 214 | philflyboy
ID: 127332712
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 20:13
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lazers picking now curby will be up
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| 215 | Dr. Doom
ID: 232152517
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 20:13
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I have not received a Little M queue, pfb did you get it.
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| 216 | philflyboy
ID: 127332712
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 20:15
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yep I got it
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| 217 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 21:34
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I'm here and will draft as soon as Jakerbelly pulls the trigger or his clock runhs
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| 218 | uther 44 flot
ID: 981299
Fri, Sep 30, 2005, 14:21
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Thanks Doom!
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| 219 | Dr. Doom
ID: 7113048
Fri, Sep 30, 2005, 14:35
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It's all done, I have not finished my last pick, I would like to encourage anyone who missed picks to do it, so I can end it and finish plugging them into Yahoo.
If you missed either enter them yourself or let me know who you want.
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| 220 | jakerbelly
ID: 568552213
Fri, Sep 30, 2005, 14:49
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just wondering how do you add players to rosters in yahoo who aren't yet on yahoo's list of players?
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| 221 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Sat, Oct 01, 2005, 20:27
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jb...
from yahoo fantasy hockey home page
"• Most rookies will be unavailable until they have played in at least one professional game. Rookies currently available appear via special agreement."
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| 222 | isles72
ID: 395412514
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 05:28
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when are you adding the players to yahoo ?
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| 223 | philflyboy
ID: 127332712
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 06:40
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Doom when will you be activating the league so that we can set our lineup for tomorrow night?
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| 224 | Dr. Doom
ID: 387231512
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 10:16
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Okay, I finished the draft, there are still some outstanding draft issues. I had contemplated starting our season on the second week, so I could get the contentious picks on their respective teams, also making the first week a full week, rather than a 4 day week.
That's not going to happen so everyone needs to be on their best behavior in the coming waiver draft. The following are out of bounds except for their appointed owners.
Alexander Ovechkin
Jeff Carter
Brandon Bochenski
Vojtech Polak
Thomas Vanek
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| 225 | ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤
ID: 17934521
Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 23:34
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Doom, what's to become of jaker's draft pick for Vojtech Polak? The player was sent down to Iowa of the AHL.
Not to overwork the issue (#205) ... but Crosby was in the Yahoo! pool before our draft began. I downloaded a player list on 9/4 and his name was there (O-Rank of 458). Yahoo! shows him as being added to the game on 8/18.
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| 226 | Dr. Doom
ID: 430271612
Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 23:44
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Okay, I have to believe that, I know I downloaded a list from Yahoo the day it started and I did not have Crosby in that list.
Whatever, it's over and done with. Jaker will replace him, there are no do-overs.
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| 227 | Flot
ID: 499511811
Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 13:51
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Boom
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