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Subject: Week 3 trades
Posted by: smallwhirled
- [46914248] Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 11:52
I thought I'd start a new trade thread since the original strategy thread was designed for more general things but it turned into a trade thread.
As for the end of week 2...
Bergeron > Crosby today. |
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| 66 | samuli
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Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 15:29
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Staal will be the biggest loser today. If you have the trades to do it, consider dropping him.
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| 67 | bookie
ID: 33415148
Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 15:38
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with Staal and Gagne and others being so highly owned.. I'm not that worried about Dejardin.. They play the day after trade refresh and I think people will be more concerned with Forwards than Dmen with Limited trades....
John Smith... I'd say in basic I'd be more inclined to get prospal, because of the suspected lower ownership....
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| 68 | bookie
ID: 33415148
Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 15:38
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with Staal and Gagne and others being so highly owned.. I'm not that worried about Dejardin.. They play the day after trade refresh and I think people will be more concerned with Forwards than Dmen with Limited trades....
John Smith... I'd say in basic I'd be more inclined to get prospal, because of the suspected lower ownership....
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| 69 | bookie
ID: 33415148
Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 17:39
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Actually with a closer look, I may actually be agle to get Gagne from Selanne without the Thornton trade.... So I'm going to hold Joey T for now, I'll move him if I do end up needing the cash
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| 70 | The Dienasty
ID: 132591
Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 17:45
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I don't think there's anyway Desjardins is going to drop because of his 3 day break. On the contrary, i believe his value is going to steadily increase over that span, as more managers look to stabilize thier defence for the long term with a cheapie, from cheapies. But i guess well see.
62 J
Funny you mention about holding onto that last trade because of the potential to lose money, because that's the exact reason why im thinking about using it now ;). The only player that really worries me in terms of catching me off guard is Legace. He NEEDS to start his next game, whats more, he needs to at least stay positive in TSNP. His next game is Tuesday vs. Chicago, if he for whatever reason fails to perform, then im sure Babcock will give him a chance to redeem himself thier next game on Thursday. That could drag things out just long enough for me to get to the trade refresh before things get ugly. That's the best, worst case scenario of course.
I've stil got some time to mull this over... You do bring up a good point about the big price swings this year... Quite unusual.
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| 71 | CrazyClowns
ID: 37924214
Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 21:49
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Legace is here to stay.
I dont think Osgood will take his job, not the way Legace has been handling the pipes so far. Maybe will he sit a little more, but thats it.
He still has a good sched coming up (CHI, EDM, PHO, ST-L), so I dont see him taking any kind of financial hit.
Any word on Cloutier's injury yesterday? Auld could be a nice pickup for a while.
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| 72 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 22:17
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I don't see how Legace can lose his job.. He's been in that upper tier of goalies in the new NHL with just a few other guys..
top 5 in the league so far
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| 73 | The Dienasty
ID: 132591
Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 23:06
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I moved Salo for Jackman... This'll be a 2 week experiment, and if it doesn't pan out, ive identified a date to move to Visnovsky. I figured if there was any time to go tradeless early, maybe this was the week to do it, since so few teams are playing over the next couple of days, the risk of injury is minimal.
Hockey gods, please don't punish me.
/pray
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| 74 | Tuques
ID: 57854126
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 10:25
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I'm looking at my team this morming, I finally got out of the bottom of my Division and I want to go up...
I have 2 trades in the bank with about 6 millions left to spend...
I want to trade someone to keep my momentum to the top.... Here is my question:
Who would be the best Kippy with is next 4 games at home no B2B but Vancouver twice...
I'm looking a Luongo 1 B2B and all next 4 games on the road...
Tuques
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| 75 | smallwhirled
ID: 46914248
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 10:57
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Who are your current 2 goalies?
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| 76 | smallwhirled
ID: 46914248
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:28
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I asked this because I wonder if it is worth it to go to a goalie here, when, next week there are already a bunch of trades that are accounted for. There are at least 3 trades already accounted for, for most teams. Selling of Heatley/Spezza, and the buy of Gagne. Gotta be ready for all 3 of those moves.
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| 77 | samuli
ID: 4593715
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:32
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That's 2 trades if Heatley --> Gagne.
Yours,
Mr. Obvious
=)
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| 78 | smallwhirled
ID: 46914248
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:45
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Or that. ;)
I was thinking of holding Heatley a little longer, we'll see what happens.
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| 79 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:46
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Heatley -> Gagne isn't very efficient though, and unless you skip the money Gagne is likely to make you'll lose 2 Heatley games.
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| 80 | samuli
ID: 4593715
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:51
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But you just don't skip the money at this point.
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| 81 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:53
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I agree, I just think its better to use an extra trade to find a way to keep those two Heatley games.
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| 82 | The Beezer
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Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:56
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I don't like those games for Ottawa much, though. Buffalo and Tampa have been stout defensively so far and you might not get many points out of the deal.
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| 83 | samuli
ID: 4593715
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 12:10
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actually it's the games against Tampa & Islanders you'll miss if switching Heatley to Gagne
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| 84 | Tuques
ID: 57854126
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 12:21
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I now have Kippy and Graham...
I'm aware of the sell off comming on Sat for the Ottawa guys, I haven't decided yet who to pick from them (Spezza/Heatly) and I also have 3 Ana guys that will need to go the following day... I have enough trade to do so with the comming refresh... I have 2 in bank now and I was wondering if I should use 1 to go Kippy => Luongo...
Tuques
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| 85 | walk
ID: 236779
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 12:33
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Ottowa has a home game against Islanders on Saturday, Nov. 5th, Tuques. Do you mean the Ottowa sell-off on Sunday, the 6th...?
- walk
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| 86 | Tuques
ID: 57854126
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 13:03
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You got it right walk...
Tuques
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| 87 | Wild Vikings
ID: 339472112
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 13:52
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Im not waiting for the 5th to roll around on my Ottawa players. I still need to make a ton of cash and my gut tells me that when people get their trades on Wednesday they will look at schedules and see Ottawa plays Thursday then has 1 game in the next week.
Im betting the Ottawa sell off is Thursday night.
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| 88 | Tuques
ID: 57854126
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 14:03
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If you're selling off on Thursday night who would you go for!!! Tampa, Vancouver and Dallas all have nice sched I would see Vinny from Spezza and maybe Naslund from Heatly.. On my side I'll probably go Selanne to Gagne on the 5th..... I also have Lupul to sell and I haven't decided yet for who!!!
Tuques
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| 89 | samuli
ID: 4593715
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 14:19
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My Spezza/Heatley will turn into Forsberg/Gagne on thursday, just in time to avoid the bleeding as well as catch Philly's matches against Caps and Thrashers.
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| 90 | walk
ID: 236779
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 15:10
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Boy, I always have a tough time selling players who are hot and who have games...for the sake of beating a sell-off or optimizing on the opponent. I feel like that plan has often backfired on me, either in terms of lost points or an injury that I could have avoided had I played it less aggressively.
On paper, Samuli, your timing makes sense...and I am in the same situation, but am not sure I'm going to sell those Ottowa players before Thursday...maybe they're primed to lose $ after that game, and then they only have that 1 game against NYI before the 4-day layoff, but my gut tells me they will light it up against the Isles and the Isles' inconsistent defense. I dunno. I'd hate to lose big $ with the hold, too, so will likely bail when the crystal ball says so, but I wonder...
- walk
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| 91 | Die_Habs
ID: 26211512
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 15:35
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I am holding and will sell after the NYI game. Heatley and spezza have been to good.
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| 92 | The Beezer
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Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 07:36
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You are of course correct samuli - the NYI game is why it's a difficult decision. With Spezza already dropping -20K it will be interesting to see how long folks hold out. I sold Spezza yesterday for Yashin and avoided that - we'll see how the differentiation move works out.
Heatley goes for me after the Buffalo game and will become Ovechkin. I'm still wrestling with when to sell Selanne and pick up Gagne. Selanne has been red-hot and faces two mediocre defenses, while Gagne faces one awful one over Nov. 3-4. It will probably come down to how the money moves today and tomorrow.
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| 93 | Wild Vikings
ID: 339472112
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 09:02
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I asked my magic 8 ball if it would be a good move to sell off Ottawa players on Thursday.
Response: You may rely on it.
I followed it up with "Will I lose out lots of points from missing the Ottawa Isles game?"
Response: My reply is no.
For good measure I asked the 8 ball if it would lie to me to get back at me for dropping it off my desk just prior to asking these questions.
Response: Outlook Good.
Well, now I dont know what to do.
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| 94 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 12:22
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Which situation looks better to you guys:
Situation A
Hasek to Kiprusoff tonight
Heatley will turn into Gagne
Spezza will turn into Lecavalier
Situation B
Hasek to Grahame either tonite, or when OTT's schedule turns sour...
Heatley will turn into Gagne
Spezza will turn into Forsberg
If I do situation B, I'll have more money left over. Question is: When do I go Hasek to Grahame? Hasek lost another 60K today, but if I trade him to Grahame tonight, Grahame will have to play Ottawa, which scares me, Atlanta, which can get some offence, and Toronto. In that time Hasek plays Islanders, Buffalo, and Tampa..
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| 95 | samuli
ID: 4593715
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 12:29
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FWIW, Ray Emery will start tomorrow, as per Ottawa Sun.
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| 96 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 13:22
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hmmmm....
Grahame and Forsberg or Kiprusoff and Lecavalier..
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| 97 | samuli
ID: 4593715
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 13:28
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Who do you have as your other centers? I'd aim at getting a hold of Forsberg AND Lecavalier... But then I suck at this game currently and seem to succeed only in building RV. Which in itself is not bad but some points wouldn't hurt.
In short, go by the gut I say. =) Burke is hurt so Grahame has guaranteed starts, and will make money as well.
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| 98 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 13:30
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I'd take the 1st pairing Ira. Actually I already have, I own both. I don't see a whole lot of difference between Grahame and Kiprusoff, besides a cool 5 mil.
You could also go Grahame/Vinny and bank some money for later...
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| 99 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 13:32
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samuli, I've got Morrison and Lindros. Both have solid schedule, I got both like a week ago knowing I'd be able to bank trades with their skeds.
I guess I'll go Hasek>Grahame today, and make the next decision later.
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| 100 | samuli
ID: 4593715
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 13:50
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Sundin is set to return, does that affect Lindros? Although I guess it'll be quite a while before he's 100%
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| 101 | The Dienasty
ID: 132591
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 20:46
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Well J, you called it. Legace's hurt, im tradeless, and to add insult to injury, Jackman's not even playing.
Why was i the only person on Earth who didn't see this coming? :(
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| 102 | urkel
ID: 289950
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 21:20
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So who will be the big gainers with Legace hurt? Grahame, Lundqvist, and LaBarbera seeing as he may have just about won the #1 spot in LA?
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| 103 | walk
ID: 61049120
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 21:52
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Osgood himself might be the right buy; same price as Legace and hot team with a great sched.
- walk
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| 104 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 00:13
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Boy am I glad I took Grahame over Kiprusoff *rolls eyes*
Grahame: -29 TSNP
Kiprusoff: 146 TSNP
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| 105 | urkel
ID: 289950
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 05:12
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The thing I don't like about Osgood is if Legace comes back after say a week it forces a second trade. I guess that's a good reason to watch the news tomorrow to see what they say about the severity of the injury.
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| 106 | Strikers
ID: 4092050
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 14:29
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I went Legace -> Auld today. Will be very surprised if Legace doesn't lose a ton of RV tonight. Plus I can't see him retaining the #1 spot. At best he'll split time with Osgood.
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| 107 | smallwhirled
ID: 41057112
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 14:50
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Legace > Auld here.
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| 108 | walk
ID: 236779
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 15:07
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Legace > Auld 2x.
- walk
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| 109 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 18:17
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Legace>Kiprusoff
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| 110 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 18:24
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Legace -> Auld here too. A 500k starter? I like it alot. (even if its only for a week)
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| 111 | The Dienasty
ID: 132591
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 23:42
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Of course, a final kick to the groin in an otherwise abysmal week of trading, Visnovsky turns the trick.
I feel sick.
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| 112 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 23:58
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I almost went to him today too Dienasty. :( Decided to wait because it wasn't a must-have move and I didn't want to be without trades later in the week. I suppose if another situation like this comes up later next week I'll be glad I held off, but damn. :(
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| 113 | urkel
ID: 289950
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 00:54
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So....
who's picking up Montreal players for their back to back against Buffalo on Friday?
With a veteran like Belfour you can expect them to bounce back after a bad game. But young guys like Biron and Noronen? Their confidence must be shattered.
And Montreal's been playing pretty well lately too.
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| 114 | The Dienasty
ID: 132591
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 01:08
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I couldn't help it, i moved Jackman for Visnovsky... I feel better already by even just having him there, nevermind the points i missed out on. He's a hold until an injury or armageddon erupts, which ever comes first.
Now to start repairing the damage i inlficted last week on my team. Thinking about moving Legace to Osgood, since he is getting the next 3 starts according to the CP. If he makes it to the LOS on Wednesday game as a starter ill be happy. The other options i guess are Auld (short term) and Labarbera (questionable short term sched, still splitting time?).
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| 115 | urkel
ID: 289950
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 08:46
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It's almost too bad Nabokov is coming back... that Nolan Schaefer kid has been doing some pretty solid work over in San Jose.
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