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Subject: RIHC 2006/2007: preseason discussion
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Tue, Sep 26, 2006, 16:30
It’s time to begin organizing the RIHC leagues.
I have sent out 11 invitations for the RIHC, and have received acceptances from 10 of them, with one still to respond. My guidelines for succession were to give initial priority to the top 4 RIHC teams, the top 4 AAA teams, the winner of each AA league (4), and me. That made for a potential of 13 teams to fill 12 slots.
As it turns out, one of those “qualifiers” is ineligible, and I am eliminating another from consideration. KnicksFan was the winner of one AA league, but he also managed in the RIHC last year, so he is ineligible. And I’m ruling out mMoses, who finished tied for 3rd in AAA, but has been totally inactive in the current RIBC league since mid-May.
So, that left me with one opening to fill. There was a tie for 5th in the RIHC, with lionprideguy and me sharing that rank. The 5th place finisher in AAA was tommyd. The second place team in the vacated AA league was co-managed by Pacers Rule, another RIHC manager from last year, so it was also disqualified.
I decided that it made more sense to invite the 5th place team from the RIHC before inviting the 5th place AAA team. However, if that invitation is declined, tommyd will be the first alternate.
So, here is the list of the 12 invitees:
Mike D
Swish and Edgar
HoopsKlyce
Skinneej
RSF
Coldwater Coyotes
Mike V
Uptown Bombers
Footwedge
Florian
Guru
lionprideguy (pending acceptance)
I will open up a thread for qualifying leagues in a moment. After that, we can begin discussing potential rules changes in this thread.
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| 39 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Sep 29, 2006, 12:48
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10-day waiting period does not apply to drafted players. They may be placed in an injury slot immediately after the draft.
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| 40 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 11:13
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when do we learn draft order? Been a long time since I have had #1 in any league...
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| 41 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 13:04
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I dumped all of the listed players at Yahoo into a spreadsheet with last year's stats and this year's position eligibilities.
http://rotoguru1.com/hoop/Yahoo-list-10-02-06.xls
Free for the taking. These are as of noon today, so any changes made after that will not be included. Caveat emptor.
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| 42 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 13:12
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I guess we can start the process for selecting draft order. I will start with an alphabetical list of managers, as they are listed in post 1.
Next, I need two independent sets of integers from 1-12, in "random" order. The first set received will resequence the alphabetical list, and the second set will determine the order of our draft2, which is the process for selecting our draft order.
Integer sets should be emailed to me at davehall@rotoguru2.com
I'll post the results once I have received two sets of numbers.
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| 43 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 15:53
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I received the first set of numbers from skinneej at 1:19pm:
2 4 6 8 10 12 1 3 5 7 9 11
The second set arrived from Mike D at 3:35pm:
7 9 3 11 1 10 5 8 4 2 6 12
I applied the first to resequence the alphabetical list, and the second to assign selection position. Here is the resulting order:
1 RSF
2 HoopsKlyce
3 Mike V
4 Swish and Edgar
5 Skinneej
6 Uptown Bombers
7 Mike D
8 Guru
9 Coldwater Coyotes
10 Footwedge
11 Florian
12 lionprideguy
Remember, this is not the draft order. This is the order that we choose our draft position.
So, RSF gets to make the first selection in the draft2. There is no time limit for this process (within reason).
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| 44 | Florian
ID: 32840258
Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 16:40
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I'm not quite understanding the above order. When I try to apply the numbers I get the following result:
The initial alphabetical listings would be
1 Coldwater Coyotes
2 Florian
3 Footwedge
4 Guru
5 HoopsKlyce
6 lionprideguy
7 Mike D
8 Mike V
9 RSF
10 Skinneej
11 Swish and Edgar
12 Uptown Bombers
Reorder Set #1
1 Florian (2)
2 Guru (4)
3 lionprideguy (6)
4 Mike V (8)
5 Skinneej (10)
6 Uptown Bombers (12)
7 Coldwater Coyotes (1)
8 Footwedge (3)
9 HoopsKlyce (5)
10 Mike D (7)
11 RSF (9)
12 Swish and Edgar (11)
Reorder Set #2
1 Coldwater Coyotes (7)
2 HoopsKlyce (9)
3 lionprideguy (3)
4 RSF (11)
5 Florian (1)
6 Mike D (10)
7 Skinneej (5)
8 Footwedge (8)
9 Mike V (4)
10 Guru (2)
11 Uptown Bombers (6)
12 Swish and Edgar (12)
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| 45 | Uptown Bombers
ID: 35616416
Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 16:55
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Floria, looking at your final list quickly, it looks like you have reversed the reorders and applied the second set of numbers first and then the first set.
I'll use myself as an example. In the alphabetical list I am 12th. Applying the first set numbers, the 12th number is 11, so I become 11th after the first re-order. Applying the second re-order, the 11th number is 6th, so that is my final ranking. If I apply the 2nd set of numbers first and the first numbers second, I wind up 11th, which is where your list puts me.
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| 46 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 17:06
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You're not reordering the teams the same way that I do it.
I take the alphabetical list of names, line up the first set up numbers along side it, and then resort the numbers.
So,
Coldwater Coyotes 2
Florian 4
Footwedge 6
Guru 8
HoopsKlyce 10
lionprideguy 12
Mike D 1
Mike V 3
RSF 5
Skinneej 7
Swish and Edgar 9
Uptown Bombers 11
gets resorted into:
Mike D 1
Coldwater Coyotes 2
Mike V 3
Florian 4
RSF 5
Footwedge 6
Skinneej 7
Guru 8
Swish and Edgar 9
HoopsKlyce 10
Uptown Bombers 11
lionprideguy 12
The second sort is similarly applied.
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| 47 | Florian
ID: 32840258
Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 17:27
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Thanks for the explanation. I now understand how the list was created.
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| 48 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 19:45
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Slot 1
Yeah...I'm simple.
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| 49 | hoopsklyce
ID: 41848256
Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 21:18
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2 for hoopsklyce
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| 50 | MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 22:02
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Dilligad is 3
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| 51 | Swish City
Dude
ID: 0931275
Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 07:33
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4 for EuroGollum
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| 52 | skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 07:45
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Hmmmm...How about 5.
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| 53 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 09:21
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via email, Uptown Bombers takes #6.
So far:
1 RSF
2 HoopsKlyce
3 Mike V
4 Swish and Edgar
5 Skinneej
6 Uptown Bombers
7
8
9
10
11
12
left to select:
Mike D
Guru
Coldwater Coyotes
Footwedge
Florian
lionprideguy
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| 54 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 09:29
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7 worked last year, I'll try it again...
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| 55 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 09:52
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I need to do some ponderin'....
probably won't decide until this afternoon.
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| 56 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 11:45
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Too ponderous to ponder any longer.
I'll pick 8th.
I notice that last year, we all selected in sequence, 1-12. I also notice that lionprideguy got "stuck" with the last spot (and 12th pick) last season, and also in the first RIHC season. I guess he should be used to it, assuming that's how it all plays out again.
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| 57 | coldwater coyotes
ID: 31554112
Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 13:19
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Lucky 9
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| 58 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 14:04
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I think I would like to switch from 2 to 3. Can I do that assuming mike V would be happy with 2.
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| 59 | Footwedge
Leader
ID: 29017810
Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 15:00
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I think I'll break ranks and go with 12.
I think it's the laziness of picking both at once.
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| 61 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 15:03
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I have changed my mind about switching draft spots having just read something regarding the player I was thinking at #3. Will stick with #2.
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| 62 | Florian
ID: 32840258
Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 17:50
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I'll pick 10th.
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| 63 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 17:55
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OK, I think this is the draft order. Correct me if I screwed it up.
1 RSF
2 HoopsKlyce
3 Mike V
4 Swish and Edgar
5 Skinneej
6 Uptown Bombers
7 Mike D
8 Guru
9 Coldwater Coyotes
10 Florian
11 lionprideguy
12 Footwedge
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| 64 | lionprideguy
ID: 32357261
Wed, Oct 04, 2006, 02:37
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Woohoo! After 3 years I'm finally moving up!
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| 65 | Swish City
Dude
ID: 0931275
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 08:23
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We might be willing to drop some slots in round 1 in order to get a better pick in 2 (and possibly in other rounds depending on the level of drop). Nothing concrete at the moment, but feel free to shoot me a mail if you're thinking about trying to move up.
I mean...how low do you think we can drop in round 1 and still safely nab our boy RBB? ;)
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| 66 | Florian
ID: 32840258
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 12:38
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Being new to the RIHC I'm having some trouble deciphering exactly which teams names go with which Rotoguru boards names. Some are evident (ie. rotoguru, coldwater coyotes, skinneej, Hoopsklyce, Footwedge) as the names are the same. I think I've figured out some of the others (Eurogollum is Swish and Edgar, Dilligad is Mike V, Run the System is lionprideguy). My team is Luebeck Eagles. I expect Uptown Hoops is run by Uptown Bombers. I'm not sure who the other few teams names match up with. I was hoping the remaining teams could list their team names to help clear it up for me. If I have any trade proposals in the next couple of weeks it would be nice to offer it to the correct team.
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| 67 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 13:07
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I'll name my team later...
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| 68 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 17:01
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Extreme Basketball here, ready to be overlooked.
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| 69 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 18:13
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Mike D, I'll trade you team names, and since the RSF Basketball Inc is still looking to sell its Corporate naming sponsorship, you could even name it "Extreme Basketball", assuming you bid high enough to meet your demands. Think they're confused now, just wait...
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| 70 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 19:37
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RSF, I'm considering your offer. I have to run it by Dave R., who in turn needs to run it by Species, who in turn needs to ask Great One. In other words, consider it done.
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| 71 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 19:38
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And that puts me in a tie for 1st place with you in the TM category.
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| 72 | Florian
ID: 44939911
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 22:13
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RSF and Mike D: Thanks for clarifying your team names.
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| 73 | Guru
ID: 1935512
Sun, Oct 08, 2006, 20:09
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What's your pleasure for a date to start the draft?
The earliest date I would suggest is this Thursday, Oct. 12. We could also wait until Friday, Oct. 13.
Or, if you are all committed to keep it moving, using queues as much as possible when you will be away for extended periods, we could wait until Monday (Oct. 16). I feel pretty confident that a Monday start would still get us done in time. But if you're chomping at the bit to get started, I'm willing to get going on Thursday (or Friday).
Any preferences?
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| 74 | Florian
ID: 5923711
Sun, Oct 08, 2006, 22:33
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I'd vote for Thursday October 12th. Work is going to be extremely busy for me after Oct 19th, so the further the draft has progressed at that point the better for me.
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| 75 | lionprideguy
ID: 32357261
Mon, Oct 09, 2006, 03:06
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I'm good with the earlier start time too, probably Thursday or Friday although I know Friday will be nuts for me. I just figure the earlier we start, the more cushion/flexibility on later rounds the better. We'll stay on track, but at least have to stress about staying on schedule a bit less. Maybe if we wanted to do those first two days with no clock, as I believe we did last year, we could at least get a few picks started to get us rolling for those who were ready to go.
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| 76 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Oct 09, 2006, 11:30
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I'm good to go whenever. I'll lean toward 12th/13th.
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| 77 | Guru
ID: 1935512
Mon, Oct 09, 2006, 12:01
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In the absence of any push for a later start, let's begin on Thursday, Oct. 12. I may actually turn it on Wednesday evening - without clock.
We will start with an 6 hour clock, but if too much clock is being used, we may have to shorten it during the draft (though I doubt that will ne necessary). The draft clock will continue through weekends. There will be a clock moratorium each night from 11pm until 7am Eastern time. Picks can continue to be made during the moratorium period, but the clock will be paused. Those picking at the endpoints do not get a double clock. In addition, if anyone is already in arrears for a pick when their next pick is due, they do not necessarily get a second clock period. This will be subject to Commissioner discretion.
Sound like a plan?
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| 78 | Guru
ID: 1935512
Mon, Oct 09, 2006, 12:17
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The following url will bring up a current listing of the draft in progress, with sequential picks shown at the top, and a draft grid at the bottom:
http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/kpeek.pl?110
That URL should work whether you are in the league or not, and whether you are registered at kafenatid.net or not. In addition to pulling up draft info in both formats at once, it provides a way to check on the draft if you are somewhere where kafenatid.net is blocked (and rotoguru1.com is not). If both of those domains are blocked for anyone (at work, presumably), speak up and I can try putting the same program on a different domain which is not blocked.
If you are in one of the QLs that is also drafting at kafenatid.net, this URL should also work for your draft. Just replace the 110 with your league ID.
At this point, I am planning to draft using only three positions: G, F, and C. Our league does have single slot requirements for PG, SG, PF, and SF, but I did not think it was helpful to inlude those distinctions in the draft grid, since many players would be eligible at multiple slots and ther designation would often be arbitrary. If you draft someone who is eligible for both GF or FC, just pick the one that you think is the best fit for your team. Again, this is only for the purposes of displaying the draft results.
Reminder on the drafting of unlisted players: You may draft a player who is not currently listed at Yahoo. If you do so, you will be assigned a placeholder player at Yahoo until the drafted player is made available, at which time you must pick up that player as a free agent (without using a waiver priority). After the 15 rounds of the draft are completed, you can no longer claim an unlisted player.
After the draft, waiver priorities will be set in reverse order of the first round of the draft. All undrafted players will be placed on waivers for 2 days following the activation of the league.
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| 79 | Uptown Bombers
ID: 35616416
Mon, Oct 09, 2006, 23:34
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Is there anyway that I can set up my queue on Kafenatid prior to the draft being started? I only ask because if the draft is started on Thursday at 8 am, I will be unable to input my queue or pick until 3:00 pm.
If not, I'd be in favor of the Wed. night start without the clock, just so I can put in my queue. I'll def. be home that night watching my Mets. : )
Otherwise, I just email Guru my queue for round one to make sure things are moving along.
Oh, and while I'm at it, I am also in need of a few DP's for this weekend (Friday evening through Sunday evening). I'll be leaving a long queue, good for a few rounds at least. Any takers?
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| 80 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 08:32
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I like the early start
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| 81 | Florian
ID: 32840258
Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 11:47
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Uptown Bombers: I'd be happy to help out this weekend. I'll be away from my home computer for a few hours on Saturday afternoon (probably 2:30pm to 7pm), but should be around the rest of the weekend.
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| 82 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 13:24
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I'll be around this weekend for queues as well. You don't necessarily need to set me up as a designated picker, because I'm able to do that for any team by default.
In fact, here are my ground rules for selecting from a queue: If you have a queue and make it available, and it is your turn to pick, I will make your pick if I'm around. Therefore, do not make (or leave) your queue available if you do not want it used.
You can specify that only the top name on your queue is to be displayed, or that the entire queue is to be shown. If you make the entire queue visible, I'll first check for any emails that might provide additional instructions.
Regardless, be aware that your queue is not visible to me or to any other designated picker until it is your turn to pick.
UB: I'll definitely activate the draft (without clock) tomorrow (Wednesday), so that you can set up your queue. I'll try to do that late afternoon or early evening.
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| 83 | WonderB
Sustainer
ID: 241053812
Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 14:10
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i hope you saw that last night the clocks didn't stop during the moritorium period. aa1 and aa2 had problems. farn emailed KKB but untill there is a resolution you may have to manually administer your clock stopages.
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| 84 | Uptown Bombers@work
ID: 377403010
Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 15:27
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Thanks Florian, will set you up as DP once that is possible.
And thanks Guru, tomorrow will give me plenty of time. Your rule on queues is fine with me. Throughout the draft, I will be making my queue availbale quite often , due to my work situation. So when my picks come up, I will be perfectly fine with you or another DP'er taking the top name of the queue.
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| 85 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 08:34
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anyone intersted in swapping picks in the first and second round? You would have #2 overall pick
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| 86 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 08:35
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my email is hoopsklyce@comcast.net
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| 88 | MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 11:38
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Any interest in swapping picks. I'm on the clock.
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| 89 | Footwedge
Leader
ID: 29017810
Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 09:18
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I have a question on the IL rule. I drafted Bogut knowing he was injured so I assume the 10 day rule applies to him. (Not sure 10 days from when) Also just after the draft Marvin Williams got injured. Is he replacable now?
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| 90 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 09:51
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10-day rule does not apply to drafted players. You can put both of them in an injury slot immediately.
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