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Subject: Nov 14th---Nov 20th trades
Posted by: Bond, James Bond
- Donor [04352469] Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 02:13
Time to start anew.
Looks like a lot of trading into LA and GState players. Might even get a nice return of Bogans with Orlando's nice schedule.
S. Jackson should be back soon with GState and R. Artest is scheduled to return later tonight with the Kings. Reckon that's bad news for Garcia owners. |
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| 164 | Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 16:30
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Why sell Kaman? he is the most productive player under 7M along with AK
I'm holding onto Kaman on the teams that I have him and picking him up on the ones I don't on wednesday.
Williams is a strong option, but for now I'll wait and see how the Williams/Magloire works out tomorrow when they play in Utah
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| 165 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 16:41
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Moving Grant Hill to a cheapie option allowing me to pick up Lebron. Sean Williams is too expensive, looking at Blatche. Is he on anyone's radar screen?
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| 166 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 17:00
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158,
looks like a solid plan Yehosh.
I did something similar. Moved Paul for Harris yesterday and will also be going RJ to LBJ.
still have brewer to deal with. i like blatche's schedule and improved performance...as well as his price, but i think i like sean williams' minutes, C eligibility and big game potential more. unless someone would like to convince me otherwise.
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| 167 | JMISA
ID: 21056316
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 17:19
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164: I re evaulauted everything and i decided to hold Kaman even before I read your post haha ... the CPaul injury threw off my rotation and me waking up late today threw it off even more so I jus traded CP for Bryant and Yao for Sean Williams .... thats leaves me the extra 7 mill i will need to make GAYman into Le BJ after tommorrows game. I was only deciding to trade Kaman before because Kaman > Harrington would get u +3 games over a 2 weeks span as well as decent money gains.
After not being able to trade into the GSW players i wanted today and seeing the results of the game im not sure anymore either. SJackson got alot of playing time as well as the top TSNP on the team ... at 4 mill he might be a steal no1 thought of yet. Azuibike is only still starting i think because Barnes is out. IDK how harrington and B davis will continue to produce once all the players are back on the team and the minutes will be cut fo sho.
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| 168 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 17:49
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#141
sorry qwert, looks like twolves read your post earlier than I... ;)
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| 169 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 18:06
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no prob...happy to be drafted
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| 170 | CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 00:17
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Looks like after tonights -160k drop on Brewer then the drops might diminish from here on out.
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| 171 | CJ=Brain Surgeon
ID: 3610331823
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 00:33
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Looks like after tonights -160k drop on Brewer then the drops might diminish from here on out.
Wow. Great insight Sherlock.
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| 172 | CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 02:32
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Gee I wonder if you will eat your masked words if they are alot steeper tomorrow or the next day. And here is why Sherlock.....% of trades (or sells) in a day. With so many selling of other players like Paul then it can diminish the impact of other sellers that day. Less of an amount of Brewer sells on the next day could still net a more severe loss due to not much selling of other players that day.
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| 173 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 07:07
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#171
CJ's post in #170 was an absolutely legitimate statement and added to the discussion. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about your post #171, so please keep insults like these for yourself. And if you have something to say, post it under your name. Or don't you stand behind what you're saying?
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| 174 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 11:26
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looking ahead, al harrington is going to have to have to have quite a week to avoid a massive sell off into kaman on 11/29. those schedules are a match made in heaven. would be a shame to sell one of the only great long term schedules, but we'll see what's happening next week i guess.
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| 175 | Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 12:32
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I think saying he's going to have to have to have is a little bit over-exagerated
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| 179 | Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 08:20
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I am wondering...
Brewer lost another 110K on a day he played...I hate the idea of
trading a guy who cost me a mill and just outproduced Nelson and
Turk, not to mention Bryant's last couple outings...
I want to get into Ginobili...the Magic guys still have a great
schedule...Brewer is looking like the best choice, or Shawne
Williams, I have the money sitting in my bank...what would you
guys do...If I sell Brewer now, I would keep the 380K he is still over
his original price...
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| 180 | jedman
ID: 59012312
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:14
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Wright>SJax for me today and then Kobe>Lebron after the 3-2 games for Kobe, just hope he can step up a little.
As I stated above, I'm in the hold Brewer camp. I paid 1 mill for him and he may get back down to that price. I have made good money in a lot of other spots, so I'm willing to just hold and enjoy his production for price. No other cheapie has been as solid and he is a fixture in their lineup. Barring injury, he stays with me for a long time and I'll build RV with the other 9 spots.
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| 181 | Rubalamp
ID: 459143012
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:32
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I sold Brewer>Ginobili...
I am thinking I will get back into Brewer for one of my many underperforming guys (Jefferson, Turk, Bryant) However, at this point, their schedules were too good to not get their production while Brewer is idle. Net the 380K...I worry how much he loses after he lost over 100K on a day he played...that scared me.
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| 182 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 11:01
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Ruba,
I could see RJ losing just as much as brewer tonight, with the difference being that he won't make it back.
I would hold brewer and sell RJ for Lebron.
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| 183 | Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 13:28
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Why would RJ lose as much as Brewer???? Brewer lost over 100K
on a day he played (which rarely makes any sense), and RJ has
games every other day for 4 straight games?
I could see RJ losing some given his lack of production, but the
number of trades is going to be done since they have not
refreshed yet, and I have to think that if people were willing to
sell Brewer on the day he played, more will be selling him when
he doesn't for 3 days.
I will be interested to see what happens, but either way, my last
trade was to get Ginobili from Brewer, so I am at the mercy of
the market as well. Don't see a reason for RJ to go down that
much though. did he get injured?
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| 184 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 13:30
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I think you will be in for a surprise Rubalamp.
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| 185 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 13:42
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I want to get into Ginobili...the Magic guys still have a great
schedule...
I think Ginobili plays for the Spurs.
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| 186 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 14:07
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183,
His schedule is drying up and his performance hasn't been great at all lately. And a number of people will be moving him for Lebron after keeping cash from selling Paul and others.
I promise you he loses over a hundred K and I wouldn't be surprised if he and brewer are similar in price losing.
And though Brewer lost a lot last night, most owners who sold him either wish they hadn't or are looking to get back into him as soon as thursday. Nobody is talking about getting back into RJ. Brewer WILL gain back what he loses tonight...RJ won't.
Finally, I see Ginobili as fool's gold. He has never even averaged 30 TSNP/game in a season. Will he keep up 40/game? I don't think so.
Finally (part II), LBJ will earn a whole lot more than Ginobili, who has a VERY short term schedule.
If you have 6 million lying around, I think you're crazy not to use it to go from RJ to Lebron.
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| 187 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 14:08
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183,
you know you can undo trades, right? it seems as though the end of your post was talking as though it was a choice you already made.
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| 188 | Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 17:43
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Well, I lose money from RJ and get some points, or lose money
from Brewer and get no points?
Hmm...
I am sticking with it...
I write like I think, I am all over the map...I have both Hedo and
Nelson, neither of whom is performing as I hoped, though Hedo is
definitely not living up to his price tag. I may change Hedo and RJ
this week after I get the new trades, but not sure for who yet...
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| 189 | JMISA
ID: 21056316
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 18:20
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183 + 184 : yea Rubalamp i think u made a very ba desicion ... at this point if u already kept brewer you might as well jus keep him because his leaks will stop as of 11/21 and he will porbably go back up again a little especially form people opting out of udrih and bogans at 11/22 and 11/24 why take a 500k loss and then trade him?
Also Jefferson is the top held forward behind D HOward and he has been really sucking lately and his schedule over the next few days is on par with most other people
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| 190 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 18:21
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saying RJ gets you points and brewer doesn't is a really short sighted way to think of it.
you will trade RJ next week anyway...you wouldn't trade Brewer.
as you might have guessed, I think you're making a big mistake, but then again, I don't think I've ever convinced you of anything in the past, so why start now...
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| 191 | Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 19:09
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Exactly...
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| 192 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 22:55
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175,
looks like harrington might not even last the week at this point.
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| 193 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 23:04
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Wow, Gay -110
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| 194 | Headless Gunners
ID: 12723167
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 05:14
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It's tough being Gay
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| 195 | jedman
ID: 59012312
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 10:40
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I think Udrih's lack of PT in the last quarter was due to the fact that the team on the floor had cut into a huge Phoenix lead and the coach probably wanted to keep their momentum going. They almost pulled of the W.
I have Harrington at center and am 50K short of going to Kaman straight up. I could just go to Bynum and be done, but I want Kaman. Louis Williams has become a cheapie, potential money maker. With Udrih's upcoming schedule, I'm actually thinking of moving him to Louis today and then getting Kaman today. I lose a game with Udrih, but it should save me a trade down the road getting into Kaman. Have to ponder on that one.
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| 196 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 15:03
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Who do you guys think loses more tonight? (rank from most to least)
a) Brewer
b) Udrih
c) Bass
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| 197 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 15:20
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T1 - udrih and brewer pretty close
2 - Bass
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| 198 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 15:21
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that being said, i would say brewer's price losses are irrelevant tonight, because if you have held til now, you might as well hold. On friday, for the next price changes, brewer will be one of the top gainers.
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| 199 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 15:31
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Actually, it's because I was thinking of buying Brewer if Udrih is out. =P
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| 200 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 15:33
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I still can't see Udrih losing all that much. The news of his injury isn't that widespread and it still hasn't been confirmed or even suggested that he's out tonight.
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| 201 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 15:37
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199,
gotcha...same. i didn't think i could see you selling brewer at this point.
doesn't udrih know how much easier it would have been if he had gotten the injury tonight, letting us move him for brewer or williams at a reasonable time?
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| 202 | Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 18:42
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is Harrington out toninght?
I can't find a link, but that is what a buddy of my told me and I'm trying to confirm
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| 203 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 18:43
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apparently yep...personal reasons. check out injury thread...and probably your GMD thread.
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| 204 | G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 23:11
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Wow, those that held Brewer took an absolute pounding with -760K in 9 days.
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| 205 | Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 23:40
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nice
I predicted 800K-900K on the thread on the SN before last wednesday. If Paul would have stayed healthy I would have been right on the money.
Now I need to decide who to move back into Brewer: Bogans or Wright
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| 206 | G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 23:58
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hmm, with all the fun options right now it would be very tempting to go tradeless on Saturday or Sunday of this trading period.
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| 207 | Rubalamp
ID: 17102246
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 10:55
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Dilemma...
I have 2 trades left, and feel I have to get LeBron over Kobe...Kobe plays Friday before the Cavs play on Saturday, so I was going to wait and get one more Kobe game. Currently there is only 50K between them and I have 140K in my bank.
I also was going to move Azubuike to Daniels for tomorrow's game, but I don't have any more G space. I currently have Azu as a forward (becomes Lebron) and Kobe at Guard (becomes Daniels)...If I wait to do the trade I will get one more Kobe game and one more Azu game, to one Daniels game...but there is also the chance that the price changes make this impossible if the total changes go much over 500K, which seems possible with Azu and Bryant losses and James and Daniels gains...
Would you take your chances with the extra Kobe game or make the moves now, knowing that Daniels could potentially outscore both players (as he did last night and probably the night before)...
Also, I know many of you would not ever go tradeless, but that part doesn't bother me, that is a risk I have already decided to take. If it helps to give me feed back on when to do the trade, just assume I have 7 left...
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| 208 | Jeddi
ID: 291151910
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 13:30
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Anyone know if Louis Williams is legit? Will he keep getting around 30 mins a game?
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| 209 | JMISA
ID: 21056316
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 13:51
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207 :
Hold your players man your trading away 2 great players with great schedules for 2 other players with the same schedule that are jus doin a bit better .... kobe will pick it up soon ... im holding both him and LBJ
if anything jus move azubukie only because barnes is guna come back and take his starting spot soon
pick up ronnie brewer even though u traded him 2 dasy ago haha i think this will be the lowest he'll go and will start to go up here on out
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| 210 | Rubalamp
ID: 17102246
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 14:31
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a bit better? James is averaging nearly 15 points more per game (5 games over 64). And with their changing positions on their teams, Azu to Daniels could net a 25+ per game average. The other problem is that I have to trade a guard to get into daniels. I have Kobe, Manu, Nelson, and Harris, none are able to become Forwards. Kobe is the only one performing below his cost. Daniels seems poised to play within range of kobe (I will be pleased with 35ish/game), and Lebron will far outshine Azu who will certainly become more to the 12-15 average kind of up and down cheapie, with all the talent on GS starting to play again.
My predictions for the combo's may be off, but I would say Azu and Kobe peak at a combined average of 60, while LeBron and Daniels could push 90, even 80 would be a significant enough point increase per each of their games to warrant the double trade...
I am leaning toward doing the trade now, while I know the money will work. It will also be a great money making trade as well.
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| 211 | JMISA
ID: 21056316
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 14:56
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yea if u think itll work out for the best do what suits u =)
judging from your team though it looks like alot of those players will have to be move by atlest end of next week (manu, LBJ) and nelson at 12/3 the latest jus keep that in mind if your going to be at 0 trades for this week already
also i wouldnt cap kobe and azu at 60 im not a fan of azu but kobe can put up a 45-50 any night ... as well as have those 90 point games literally
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| 212 | Rubalamp
ID: 17102246
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 15:02
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Thus far this season Kobe is at 58.5 for his high, where as James has gone above that 5 times and once in the upper 70s and once to the tune of 90...
Everyone's schedule hits the skids that week, without many options to trade into, I will hold the cheapies and move the big guns around the best I can...The only schedules that get any better appear to be Seattle, Milwaukee, and Minnesota, not exactly stellar options on any of those teams...The trade thread for that week should be interesting.
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| 213 | JMISA
ID: 3210172215
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 16:22
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hahah yea those teams probably have the worst options in the league ... im waiting for ATL's schedule to pick up theres alot of good options there
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| 214 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 16:28
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atlanta's schedule picks up for a bit on saturday.
toronto's schedule also picks up next week. Bosh turning it around in last couple of games could be an option, though he's not a C this year.
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| 215 | Rubalamp
ID: 17102246
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 16:32
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Phoenix gets a good schedule for about a week or so a little after that, but not sure that will help either. Next week could hit hard money wise, but I am not convinced that it will have HUGE point benefits...
I was looking at Jefferson for Minnesota, he is still in gravity, so if that lasts another 10 days, he will be in the upper 8 mill range, which is probably still a bit too much for his production. There are a couple cheapies on those teams that perform well at their cost, but probably not better than Brewer, Daniels, Blatche type of guys.
Who do you like on ATL? I saw their schedule comes up a little bit, but not sure of Smith's health, and haven't checked the cost of the other guys...
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| 216 | JMISA
ID: 3210172215
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 16:39
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i was looking at rashad mccants 2 weeks ago when he was avging 25 a game ... telfair was a emerging option too at 2 mill and 20/gm but he didn't play last game?
jefferson gets nasty #s like 30-10 nights all the time ... he would be a great pickup if he could learn to get assists haha
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