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Subject: Soulman's '07-'08 GMD Team (TP3)
Posted by: Soulman
- Donor [016105313] Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 16:45
Good job everybody taking TP2. Still, the margin to team Bandwagon is still considerable, so I'm trying to do whatever possible to close the gap. This is why I added Philsphan, who not only has had a very impressive TP2 but also has a nicely set up roster. Welcome to the team Philsphan!
Sorry to drop DrD, who was a bit out of luck with his pickups this TP2. As was I, but alas I can't drop myself. DrD, of course you're still perfectly welcome in our thread and I'm sure you'll have more luck in future TPs.
Good luck everybody and let's try to catch team Bandwagon before 2008! :)
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| 200 | deejay
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Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 18:39
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My view on the future is a bit blurry right now, I had planned to pick up a Sun and Duncan on 1/3 still might, but SA indeed has a few bumps in their sked, and only for the 4in5, that Im not doing.
Amare does look more attractive than Marion, and Im leaning towards him right now.
Hill is def. decent value for his price, hes an option and GF.
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| 201 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 18:43
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#199
I think I see your point on Baron now. Actually you convinced me so completely that I now will take him into consideration tomorrow, when a few posts earlier I declared him as upcoming must sell. Let's see what tonight's games bring.
#198
turnabouts - my gut feeling says no to the rushed double swap. But perhaps a few posts from Gescom, Dave and Suspects convince me again so I'll say "do it" a few posts later... ;)
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| 202 | turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 18:48
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Time runs out and i don't have a real good plan for the next days/ next week so i will do nothing today and take time tomorrow to plan the future moves unhurriedly.
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| 203 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 18:50
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That's always a wise way of doing things so I think that's a very good decision, turnabouts.
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| 204 | turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 19:03
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Nelson out tonight Soulman. I heard it on tv.
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| 205 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 19:08
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Thanks, but a few minutes too late. Doesn't really matter to me though - that's only about 12 less TSNP than what I would have received had he played... ;)
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| 206 | turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 19:11
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205
They told that Nelson is out due to injury but my opinion is that Arroyo is now the starter and Nelson is angry about that.
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| 207 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 19:13
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What costs Arroyo? :)
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| 208 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 19:17
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#206
Yeah, everything pointed at him losing his starting job. I was hoping he could last three more games but alas he didn't. Just means he leaves a bit earlier. Which in turn means my shopping tour tomorrow will be larger than I thought! ;)
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| 209 | Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 01:09
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I was totally planning on holding Wade, but after his egg tonight, I am unsure what trade to make:
1: Wade->Iguodala
2: Granger->SJax
3: Grnger->Jason Richardson
4: Hold Wade and Granger
I know Granger won't lose money so I am surprisingly leaning toward option 1 with my last trade.
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| 211 | turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 09:18
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209
I think i will do the same: Wade to Iggy.
I hope Gay will play 28+ tonight because i don't want to trade him.
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| 212 | turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 09:30
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I must do a trade for Dilos team today. Wade to a player under 8810k.
I think his team needs a g/f for future flex so the decision is between Iggy, Richardson, S-Jax and Redd.
Any preferences here?
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| 213 | Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 10:06
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212- I would say Iggy for him as well
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| 214 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 10:29
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Not sure I understand the love for Iggy, other than his G/F thing. Miller might be a better option from Philly.
Planning on Baron from Wade today, which presents a problem. Having traded AI, I have no return to Howard. Is Howard a must? Is Baron a must? Are any of the Suns a must? Their schedule doesn't get real good until 1/5 and a week later Phoenix => Washington looks like it may be popular.
So:
A) Wade => Baron today
1/3 Howard/Boozer/Deron => Bynum/Amare or Nash/AI or TD or Melo. Camby isn't an option unless I forgo Bynum
1/8 AI/TD/Melo => Howard
1/15 Bynum => Kaman
6 trades
B) Wade => AI or TD today
1/3 Howard/Boozer/Deron => Kobe/Bynum/Amare or Nash
1/8 AI or TD => Howard
1/15 Kobe/Bynum => Nash/Kaman
7 trades
C) Wade=> Baron today
1/3 Howard/Boozer/Deron => Bynum/Amare or Nash/Kobe
1/15 Bynum/Kobe => Kaman/ other of Nash or Amare
No Howard, 6 trades
Any thoughts?
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| 215 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 12:02
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That is tough Dave, I havent really made up my mind myself on the whole Sun/Duncan/Howard thing, of the three Phoenix has the best sked.
Duncan has a good price and Dwight is Dwight.
In Phoenix it is hard to choose between the big three. And I tend to take the wrong one :)
A question?
Dwight/Duncan: are you guys only talking about the two 4in5's are more for the long run?
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| 216 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 12:08
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hope none of you didnt have the same situation as I did on another team, because to the early game today I cant undo anymore. And I'd just changed my mind. :(
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| 217 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 15:49
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#214
Dave, I like A best because I don't like Kobe and I don't like skipping Howard's 4in5. But also perhaps because it's very similar to one of the plans I have in mind. ;)
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| 218 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 16:04
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Speaking of my plans, I'm presented with a lovely situation by last night's games - Two injury DNPs (or as good as DNP) in Wright and Nelson, Wade as a consensus sell today and only 2 trades in my pocket. To resolve this, I have narrowed down to these three alternatives:
A) Wade/Nelson > Baron or Iggy + Dre or Jax. Leaning towards Baron/Dre for this route. Downside is holding an injured player (Wright) while selling a healthy one (Wade). Wright is owned by anyone however so the worst that he could do is gravity.
B) Wade/Wright > Baron/Jax or Iggy/Dre. Baron/Dre wouldn't work money-wise here. Downside would be the same as in A with Nelson also not really being subject to significant losses due to non-existent ownership. Still, Nelson would have to leave on 1/3 anyway.
C) Wright/Nelson > Iggy/McInnis. Desperation route if I absolutely want to keep an healthy Wade over 2 injured duds. Downside of course is McInnis plus the fact that Wade is gonna drop a ton tonight.
Any preference for either A/B/C before 6pm?
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| 219 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 16:06
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Correction: Must read "Wright isn't owned by anyone" of course.
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| 220 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 17:04
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Soulman:
in C could you do Lou Williams stead of McInnis?
of the 2 cheapies I would hold Dorrell, GF, cheaper and less oeners indeed.
Dave:
Sorry I cant help you more, but I dont know myself who I like the most.
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| 221 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 17:05
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and oeners should say owners.
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| 222 | Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 17:25
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Not sure I understand the love for Iggy either other than the G/F thing.
Dave, I like A and this is pretty much what I'm planning as well.
Soulman tough situation and tough call. Put your helmet if you hold Wade. Would do A) or B) with a slight preference for B with Baron / Jax. Nelson appears to be day-to-day while there's no word on Wright who has been awful most of the time anyway.
As for me, this is the current plan but that changes by the minute ;-)
Today: Wade -> Baron
1/3: Howard/Boozer -> Nash/Duncan
1/4: Hinrich -> Bynum
1/6: McDyess -> Mo Williams
1/8: Duncan -> Howard
If I become trade-challenged, I will forget McDyess -> Williams.
Any comments welcome.
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| 223 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 17:54
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Thanks guys. Will do Wade/Nelson > Baron/Dre now. Crunched a few numbers and this route projects to beat the others by far.
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| 224 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 18:06
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looks good Gescom, think Ive got a plan myself.
2 in fact...
A.
12/31 AI to Gerald
1/3 Booz/Dwight ---> Nash/Duncan
1/8 Duncan ---> Dwight
1/9 Al Jef ---> Josh Smith
OR
B.
1/3 Booz/Dwight/Al Jef ---> Amare/Marion/Duncan(not sure about that trio and Al Jef could be kept for one of the 2 Suns and still become Josh Smith on 1/9)
1/8 AI ---> Dwight
and hold Duncan prolly unless I see someone that I really want
Not wild about moving AI tomorrow but it seems to be the best route...
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| 225 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 18:32
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#222
Yeah, looks good Gescom. I don't have Hinrich and Dice but the move dates and targets are practically the same in my own plan so no wonder I like yours. :)
#224
I'd prefer A, deejay. Mainly because I like an additional Bobcat over an additional Sun for the next few weeks.
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| 226 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 18:39
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me kinda too Soulman, it has Nash and I dont have to chose between Amare and Marion which I hate, neither do I really want both on the team I think.
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| 228 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 06:29
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so AI to Gerald for me today, had hoped for a big game from Iverson, so I was maybe tempted to keep, but he decided against it :)
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| 229 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 09:23
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With the Bobcats tinkering with lineup changes, and seemingly unsettled about anyone's role, it might be a good idea to hang on to a trade in case the Nazr bubble bursts:
The week started with Charlotte Bobcats coach Sam Vincent saying he needed to play Raymond Felton less at shooting guard and figure out how best to pair Emeka Okafor and Nazr Mohammed.
The week ended with Vincent starting Felton at shooting guard and never playing Okafor and Mohammed together against the Orlando Magic.......
That includes subbing Okafor and Mohammed, as opposed to starting them together. They're players of similar size and skill sets, and neither one is suited to guard a power forward with shooting range. So that now falls on Gerald Wallace.
"Playing Emeka defensively along the perimeter is something he's not comfortable with," Vincent said. "Because of that, we have to have a four -- a smaller guy -- who can play that position."
The challenge now is getting scoring out of the post from either of them. In the combined 48 minutes Okafor and Mohammed played against the Magic, they took nine shots, making four. That's not nearly enough to balance the floor and give the jump-shooters open looks.
"We were really looking for Emeka in the post," Vincent said of the Magic game. "We were just ineffective getting it to him."
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| 230 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 10:26
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thanks for the info Dave, at least till refresh were save, no price changes tomorrow.
So I think my AI to Gerald is still on.
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| 231 | turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 11:06
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This Mohammed thing is ugly. In the last game he and Okafor split 48 minutes. When this trend continues Mohammed will not become more than 15 minutes aper game because Okafor averages around 35 Minutes this season.
I think Nazr can onlx be held when playing around 22+ minutes a game.
I think next week can be Nazr dropping week.
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| 233 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 08:25
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| Rank | GurupieName | LSWP0 | LSWP | LSWP5 | WWR | FV | Cash | RV | FVC | Trades | | 1 | Soulman-786 | 8200 | 364.5 | 2767 | 15 | 69.95 | 0.44 | 69.51 | 0.35 | 0 | | 2 | turnabouts-1495 | 8169.5 | 299.5 | 2630.5 | 8 | 69.67 | 3.01 | 66.66 | 0.15 | 2 | | 3 | deejay-168 | 8113.5 | 373 | 2529 | 69 | 68.66 | 1.92 | 66.74 | 0.35 | 0 | | 4 | Gescom-1851 | 8104.5 | 301 | 2598 | 29 | 69.65 | 1.72 | 67.93 | 0.14 | 1 | | 5 | Dave R-4326 | 8094 | 314 | 2559 | 298 | 70.20 | 1.43 | 68.77 | 0.12 | 2 | | 6 | Usual Suspects-1857 | 8047 | 365.5 | 2669 | 19 | 68.34 | 3.56 | 64.78 | 0.36 | 0 | | 7 | Dilo-1633 | 8000 | 235 | 2599.5 | 57 | 68.92 | 2.18 | 66.74 | -0.11 | 1 | | 8 | Philsphan-197 | 7857.5 | 338 | 2421 | 279 | 65.20 | 2.29 | 62.91 | 0.36 | 2 |
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| 234 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 09:09
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HAPPY NEW YEAR to team Soulman. Kudos to our captain for his meteoric rise in the standings of late. I hope everyone made a new years resolution to be prudent with trades.
That being said, I feel like ripping through 4-5 tomorrow. But won't. Howard, Deron and Boozer are goners for sure. Jackson could be traded also, but...
Fast forward to the week of 1/16. Between now and then we all will have gotten 12 new trades. Alot will happen between now and then. Lets look at my team.
1) Howard will be traded, bought and traded ( 3)
2) Boozer and Deron will be traded (2)
3) Nazr will undoubtedly be traded ( 1)
4) Bynum will be bought, traded and bought ( 3 )
That's 9, although the 3rd of the Howard and Bynum trades occur after the refresh of the 16th.
The week of the 16th:
Bibby's expected return that week, if it occurs, will likely render Beno useless. Unless Bibby is traded. ( 1)
Any GSW players will need to be traded by 1/22 (2 )
So I rapidly accounted for all 12 trades, without considering any possible other occurrances. It's reasonable to assume that any PHX player might be moved that week as well, there are a couple of attractive options.
All teams are different with different trading scerarios.. and alot will happen between now and then, but it might be wise to try and do a little planning.
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| 235 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 09:48
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Happy New Year to team Soulman, the RFC and everybody! Thanks Dave for the recognition, my recent rise in the standings is solely attributed to CP3 and my heavily focusing on Bobcats.
Speaking of Bobcats, I'm inclined to remain calm with Nazr. If he continues to get 20-25 Minutes and TSNP that's easily enough for me with this schedule (and so many stud slots to rotate). Just now I have been experiencing how much it actually helps to leave underperforming good schedule slots alone and focus on the ones where the serious points are made. Best example is my recent rise in WWR which included rotating studs while holding Nelson and Dorell even though they were horrible all the time.
BTW, I fully agree with Dave that right now some planning ahead is essential as the upcoming weeks will also include holding guys we normally would have traded due to schedule. My next moves will be on 1/3, namely Dwight>Amare (locked) and Dorell>Bynum/Hill (if Dorell remains sidelined). Baron/Udrih are a clear hold for me now and AlJeff might also have to stay through the week in case Nazr slips down into low teens both minute- and TSNP-wise.
Rather looking at Suns instead of Timmy on 1/3 now as my trade situation doesn't allow to buy in and out Timmy's quick 4in5. Suns do have that 2in6 next week but (along the Bobcats) still have the most games in the NBA the 3 weeks from 1/3. So I'm planning to hold through the Suns 2in6 because I won't have the trades to do an A-B-A rotation here.
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| 236 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 10:33
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Happy New Year team.
Finally a decent night for me last night, that was my resolution and it worked :)
As for my plans, well am in doubtland again.
Was gonna Booz/Dwight to Nash/Duncan, but am also low on trades. And it might be a Sund duo instead. Though TD to Dwight looks very sweet and might be hard to pass on.
Al Jef prolly stays till 1/9 but that doesnt have to be a bad thing imo.
Nazr defenitely stays till after his next game, and then I will re-evaluate.
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| 237 | Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 22:46
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Happy New Year everybody.
This is my plan for the next week or so.
I have 6 trades, but will leave one for the possible Nazr dump.
1/3: Boozer/Howard>Duncan/Anthony.
1/6: Paul>Kobe (then to Nash on 1-15)
1/8: TD/Anthony>Howard/Amare.
If Nazr has to go I can move him to Bynum. I think this maximizes my games with the big-money guys.
For the week of 1/9:
Telfair>TBD
Kobe>Nash
Maxiell faces 3 days off this week but I will invoke Soulman's strategy of rotating the studs in and out to maximize points. Watever $$ he loses he should make back beginning 1/9. If I have spare trades I can always upgrade him. But for now I'll hold and worry about the stud rotations.
My aplogies for my performance these past 2 weeks and not keeping up with everybody. My gains have been minimal but I think I am positioned to do well the next week or so. If you drop me Soulman I will understand but I will continue to my efforts to keep up with everyone.
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| 238 | turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 04:09
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Happy new year from me too.
My plans are not fixed right now. I am not sure about going back into Howard and buying Bynum for only 7 games. The only advantage by going into Bynum is that he fits very well with Kaman on 1/15.
The big question this week is:
Is it better to save trades for the future or gaining maxium games via stud swapping.
Nazr will be a must sell soon. I think he will start losing money today and if not playing big tonight tons tomorrow.
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| 239 | Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 10:21
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Happy New Year everybody,
I'm back from holyday and thankful for having such a passionate team-sitter like turnabouts. Like him I'm not so settled on back to howard and bynum, especially bynum. Fore sure I'm going from D.Williams and Howard to Nash and Stoudamire, then wating on the Nazr-Situation which will be decided after tonights game.
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| 240 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 10:57
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Bynum is not in my plans as it is, too short sked and Kwame,and its not like hes a stud, as in a must have.
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| 241 | CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 14:52
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240 deejay
If he is not a stud for his price then Dirk and KG are not studs then because I have had them this year and Bynum has beat them up with bigger games at a lesser price. I can see where he is not stud status but the buzz for him is high for his TSNP/Price...so you get great points potential and cash revenue. Just a studly approach you think.
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| 242 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 14:56
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Damn, that Dorell news is ugly. I should have went with Gescom's suggestion to keep Nelson and drop Wright. Ironically, I can't even drop him today as there is absolutely no one I can pick up straight from him. And sacrificing Howard's game just to get a useful guy from Dorell today is madness. Or does any of you see some sub $3m pickup from either position today?
BTW: I share all your concerns about Bynum and have grown significantly less enthusiastic about him now. So it's a definite possibility that I will skip him after all.
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| 243 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 15:24
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I dont agree CJ, Bynum is absolutely not a must have at this point. 23 and 13.5 in his last two, and Kwame eating minutes(and Phil has a mancrush on Kwame, we all know that) doesnt really make me wanna buy him for only a day or 10.
I prefer swapping real studs right now.
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| 244 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 15:33
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I don't know, Bynum has been pretty spectacular, last 2 games aside. And I don't think we are only talking " stud swapping " deejay.
First of all, with the possible demise of Nazr, alot of us are going to be looking for not one, but two centers. I'm prepared to have to make 4 trades tomorrow, if Nazr tanks tonight. I guess a cheap alternative from Nazr is an option.
But if you have it mapped out where you can afford Bynum as a " 2nd " center and afford all the other studs you planned, I think I'd rather go that route.
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| 245 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 15:37
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Sure, not saying hes no option, but my concern is valid I think.
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| 246 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 15:47
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Looking at your team, I agree, I wouldn't drop Howard and Boozer and get Bynum as one of their replacements. And if you get Amare you don't even need a 2nd center.
Soulman, looks like you need other than a Guard. so... . May as wait til tomorrow unless you want to take a chance on Sean Williams as a hedge on Nazr getting traded soon.
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| 247 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 16:03
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Yeah, Guard slots are all full, same story for weeks now. I'll get Amare from Dwight tomorrow so I don't necessarily need another C now. I'll even have a 3rd in AlJeff. This is why Dorell could turn into either Bynum or Hill tomorrow.
However, your Sean Williams suggestion is not bad either. So assuming I could use the money saved on Williams somewhere else, would you prefer getting him today over getting Hill tomorrow?
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| 248 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 16:10
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That's a tough call. I only suggested Sean as Nazr insurance. Didn't realize you have Jefferson too.
Nazr might surprise us all and explode to 42 or something. Then what.....
If you wait you lose money on Wright, lose Sean's points. But maybe save a trade and/or not have someone you ultimately want.
I just don't have a real good feeling about Nazr lasting much longer.
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| 249 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 16:29
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246
I have Al Jef (and Dalembert) too.
So agreed no need for me to take a chance on Bynum.
Soulman,
tough situation for you.
Sean Wil is indeed an option, hes FC also.
but tomorrow you might want someone else(as in Grant Hill)
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| 250 | Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 16:57
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It's still time: HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!
I don't have any plans set in stone for tomorrow. It's so Nazr-dependant that we'll see what tonight brings. Of course Nazr will give 27.5, enough in theory to stay a little longer but not enough to prevent a sell-off start. Oh well, we'll see, I would almost prefer a true egg.
On Bynum, I don't think he's a must have and should be forced on every roster but if you have a natural way in, it's hard to pass on him. he's still one of the best value of the game.
Soulman, I would stay pat on Wright today and make more educated decisions tomorrow. Almost everyone plays tonight so the landscape should be different and hopefully clearer tomorrow.
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| 251 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 17:08
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Thanks for your feedback guys. I'll do nothing today and see what new disasters have surfaced by tomorrow. Wright's loss tonight does not factor in, he's already in gravity and can't lose a significant amount. Besideds, Sean is probably going to be schooled by Dwight tonight, so I think I will pass and make a combo swap tomorrow, as planned.
BTW, if Nazr puts up 25 or so there's no way I'll sell. I'm in a difficult situation trade-wise so I can't bail on producing slots with a good schedule. Let him output single digits and I will join the panic. Let him get 40+ and the discussion is done. Which is what I hope for so we can concentrate on the really necessary moves.
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| 252 | turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 19:04
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251
If Nazr stinks tonight why not keep Howard. You can then package Wright/Nazr to any other combo. You will lose money on Howard but you will get it back by Sunday when managers will go back to him from Paul and more on Monday (from Al Jeff) and at the latest on Tuesday. You will save one trade and hold a player you are already planning the whole time how to get back into him.
This suggestion is only for your situation and only when Nazr is a must sell tomorrow.
I think it's not the best plan but something to think about it.
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