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Subject: Bandwagon's GMD Team (TP3)
Posted by: The Bandwagon@work
- [151118518] Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 22:13
Good job guys. He had a tough session, but still have a 400+ point lead. Hopefully this session will be better than the last.
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| 102 | Senator Urine
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Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 17:38
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I really don't know what to do. I want Dalembert on my team, I don't want Jrich. Should I simplify it like that?
If I get Dalembert, I can get Jamison from Paul and hold forever and also get Grant Hill and hold forever. Downside is no Bynum. Unless I use an extra trade to chase the money, which probably isn't worth it.
If I get Jrich, I could get Bynum easily. But no Hill, no Jamison (both can be held forever, huge trade savers...Jamison is iffy in that regard but it can be done) and of course no Dalembert.
I think I'm leaning towards Dalembert...if Richardson hadn't put up those two good games recently, we probably wouldn't even be considering him. I don't know...
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| 103 | Senator Urine
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Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 17:53
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Just went Dalembert x200. I don't know how Blooki does it.
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| 104 | Senator Urine
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Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 18:00
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Wow, almost forgot to trade Wade for Paul. Just made the deadline, I don't know what made me double check what time Miami was playing.
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| 105 | Gary D
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Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 18:30
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That early start almost got me too SU....Of course wade looking awesome( i traded him also) and dalembert( got him 2)) out with 2 fouls.
I LOVE THIS GAME...
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| 106 | Gary D
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Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 22:05
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I know me and SU got into paul tonite...Hope others on team got him as well...
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| 108 | Pica
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Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 11:49
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Sorry team, obviously dropped the ball with Paul. The question, should I still get him? and from which spot? After KG's game tomorrow and then package him with Telfair (who's role is diminishing with the rest of Wolves backcourt players getting healthy) into the likes of Paul and some mid price like JRich?
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| 109 | The Bandwagon
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Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 14:16
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Pica, my advice would be not to force anything. You can only gain one game by going KG or Wade to Paul right now. I think that trade could be put to better use later when you can pick up 2 stud games.
Paul is just a 9 day hold and it's not likely he'll continue to put up 60's and 70's, so I think you can survive the next 9 days. Heck, I survived 5 weeks without Baron Davis, so it can be done.
If I were you, I'd set back, and not look at NO's boxscores for the next 9 days, and continue on with your plans. KG is capable of putting up those same type games also.
Just chalk this up as one loss in a 7 game series between KG and Paul.
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| 110 | tothreeball
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Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 16:08
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Pica, I'll respectfully have to take a different viewpoint than Bandwagon. Based upon season averages, the move from KG to Paul, is marginal. However, based on either the 15 or 30 day averages, it would gain you over 100 points over the hold period. KG's minutes are down, and other than the first week or so of the season, his production has been poor for his price. I agree with Bandwagon not to expect 60-70 per game from Paul, but based upon recent performance, and the attractive matchups over the next 6 games, I don't think 50 TSNP per night is unrealistic. Given you have extra cash and trades, there would definitely be points and $$$ to be gained by upgrading Telfair as well. You can see how KG does again tonight, but another sub 40 TSNP game, and I'd be seriously thinking about the KG to Paul move tomorrow. I'd never thought I'd say that having KG wouldn't be a good differentiation move, but lately it certainly hasn't been. Just my .02
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| 111 | The Bandwagon
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Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 16:29
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Good point tothreeball, but IMO, he can use that trade later on to pick up lets say 2 Lebron games and have a much greater chance to gain 100 points with that trade versus using the trade now to go KG to Paul.
By trading KG to Paul tomorrow doesn't guarantee him an extra 100 points. 4 of KG's next 6 games are against contending teams, and it's very possible that trade would only gain him 40-50 points instead of 100 points.
There you go Pica, you have two point of views, lol. We probably made your decision alot tougher.
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| 112 | Gary D
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Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 17:04
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I also felt the same way as to3ball but dont want to second guess BD with a WWR 25.
But imo i pull the trigger. Of course im a tradaholic....
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| 113 | The Bandwagon
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Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 17:13
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2 to 1 in favor of KG to Paul after tonight's game. Thanks for chiming in Gary D.
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| 114 | tothreeball
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Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 17:35
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The KG to Paul move is not clear cut on its own. The thing that tips it for me, is the opportunity is to take the $2M from KG, add it to the $2.74 Pica has in cash plus the value from Telfair, and you can upgrade Telfair (whose price gains may be at the end) to a +/- $7M player with pricing upside. Pica has mentioned JRich, a viable option, Turkoglu would be another, both have the benefit of G/F.
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| 115 | Gary D
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Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 17:57
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Telfair is maxed out....Looking at doing the same. Need to get g/f in gaurd slot for my team. Just not sure how im going about that yet.
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| 116 | The Bandwagon
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Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 18:27
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Good points, excellent discussion. I agree that Telfair is maxed out $$ wise, but in Telfair's defense, he doesn't have to be sold yet. A better date to sell Telfair IMO would be when Pica dealt with Wade or Howard in the coming days. Lots of options on 1/3.
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| 117 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 18:34
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if i want to get into nash on 1.3 from Boozer/Howard I need to get a forward from wade. Do any stand out? the best i see is Igoudala. Is he worth taking over Davis to get Nash over marion. Little worried about the 2 days off for baron anyways.
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| 118 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 18:55
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I need to complete my thinking before i post.
If i go to Igoudala I could pick up baron later from Aljeff after the 2 days off which looks pretty good. Marion and Stoudamire arent really standin out as guys to get.
An alternative is to move to Nash from Aljeff and get baron earlier and have Wallace instead of Igoudala. Id also stop in Camby this way.
Comparison
A gets
1 Bynum
2 Nash
16 Iggy thru 1/26
B gets
4 Camby
4 Davis
13 Wallace thru 1/26
uses 1 more trade
pretty much deciding where to go from Wade, boozer, howard, paul, Al jeff, and iverson. Both plans ahve me getting nash, bynum(kaman), duncan, davis, and Howard(again) its just the order I pick them up. With plan B i get 2 more games likely from higher per game players but use an extra trade. I also will get on any nash and Bynum gains late while having baron for the brief gap in his schedule. The use of the 1 extra trade in B leaves me with only one extra trade to get thru 1/8. Amazingly none of the sell dates of the players im moving change with either plan.
Which do u guys like more? Im leaning the riskier option of B. if it doesnt make total sense i can tye out the actual moves instead of just the summary
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| 119 | tothreeball
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ID: 09118139
Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 19:26
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116 - If Pica wants Paul, he needs to use Telfair to free up the Guard spot, otherwise, holding Telfair a bit longer would make sense.
118 - dpr, I'm looking at the same 2 options from Wade. Right now, I'm leaning towards Iggy, perhaps influenced by Wallace's injury history. I've started to look at options for 1/3, same cast, but things seem to change for me lately as I get closer to trade dates, so I'll worry about those next week.
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| 120 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 00:41
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Got a plan C.
Plan A except Duncan from Wade instead of Iggy and then pick up Stoudemire or rotate Camby to Kobe to Stoudemire and the rest the same. This gives me 1 Duncan and 13 Stoudemire instead of the 16 Igoudala.
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| 122 | Pica
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Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 13:52
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Thanks Bandwagon, Gary D and tothreeball for your comments. I think I'm leaning towards holding things until the back to back games and then do a major do over when Wade comes off the book. I'll gut it out without Paul this stretch.
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| 123 | The Bandwagon
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Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 14:58
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Would it be crazy to go Telfair to Richard Jefferson today and lose 1 game? I'm looking to lock Jefferson in as a long term hold.
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| 125 | The Bandwagon
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Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 10:17
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AK-47 almost made it to the end of his schedule, but the time has come for us to depart ways. With his injury last night, Boozer sitting out the 4th quarter due to a blowout, and Wade going off for 80+, I dropped 30+ spots in WWR. Rrrr
Looks like my options from AK-47 are:
Gerald Wallace
Caron Butler
Iggy(in gravity)
Paul Pierce(in gravity)
I was going to avoid Gerald Wallace (guess why) but he has the better schedule of the four, and he is easy to get out of. Do you guys see anything else, or have a preference?
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| 126 | Pica
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Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 10:33
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Captain, I prefer Wallace out of the pack. In fact I am working out a plan to get him as well. I see him being erratic but should be a constant gainer with that schedule from other sources.
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| 127 | Senator Urine
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Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 12:30
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I'd probably go with Wallace too, and this is coming from someone who is completely unable to get him.
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| 128 | The Bandwagon
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Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 12:49
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Looks like Wallace it is. I had all my moves mapped out over the next 3 weeks, and this move changes it all. It's a total waste of time to plan for more than 5 days in this game.
SU, it might be a good thing you can't get Wallace.
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| 130 | tothreeball
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ID: 09118139
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 09:23
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I've got a pretty tight trading plan through 1/9 refresh. Looking at Wade/Dorell to Baron/Lou Williams today. I need Williams at sub $1M price to get the players I want next week. I assume our other 3 Wade holders are moving him today.
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| 131 | Senator Urine
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Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 09:24
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I have a problem with DWright, there's still no news on him. I'd have 4.36 to spend. My original plan had me holding him until 1/8 for a transition into Calderon. If I have to move, my best bets are looking to be:
A) Wright to Calderon now. Hopefully the big price hits are over already, and I'll actually absorb some early buys. If you project it out from today to the end of Calderon's holdable schedule, he's still #1. If you project the next 9 days (days until Calderon's schedule really heats up), you can only get 20 to 30 points over him which doesn't come close to justifying a trade.
B) Wright to Louis Williams. I'd imagine after the Korver trade there would be some money here, but you never know how Louis is going to produce, and this option takes up a valuable guard spot and in reality means I skip Calderon altogether. A plus for this is I'd have the option to finally upgrade Stephen Jackson to Amare, but this would leave me with no room for error - I'd have exactly one trade to move Duncan back into Dwight.
C) Wright to Sean Williams. He's establishing his role it seems and has been producing and is cheap. On the other hand, he'd be replacing Calderon's spot so it's the same situation, but Louis Williams is cheaper.
I don't want to go near Yi, he's a bad game away from becoming a sell. Jeff Green could be interesting, but again that would prevent Calderon and he's still in gravity.
I should note that my Paul escape plan is Jamison, with the intention of holding him forever.
This is all very difficult to plan because after the next few weeks there are a lot of options and who knows which are still going to be producing well at that time. There's Lebron, Boozer, Josh Smith, Kobe, etc. Can't really plan that far ahead.
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| 132 | Senator Urine
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Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 09:49
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I'm starting to question the idea of picking up Jamison and holding him forever.
Instead I could grab Louis from Wright today, grab Amare instead of Duncan, and then move Paul into Duncan for the back to back before going back into Howard. The only downside to this is that it again locks me out of Calderon.
But then again I may want Jamison...
Also, how holdable is Louis? He may start taking hits as early as a week, with no clear sell date. I took that into account with Dalembert, I'm planning on eating one big hit and a small one before moving him, but I don't know if I can do that with an 800k player. I'd have about 2 million to work with, and with Bibby and Martin coming back Beno probably won't be a realistic option anymore.
Maybe I should just take Calderon and Jamison as I originally planned.
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| 133 | tothreeball
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ID: 09118139
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 10:09
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Senator, I'm a couple million less in RV so that may be influencing my decision to go to Williams. He has some pretty decent upside, and downside is limited as his price is $800K. I'm looking at Kobe, Kaman, Duncan (back to Howard) and Caron Butler. To get them I need a sub $1M player I can just put away, and Williams fits the bill. In your case your center spots are locked with Sammy D and Nazr. If you want to get Kaman or Bynum back from one of them in the next week to 10 days, the extra cash may come in handy.
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| 134 | The Bandwagon
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Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 11:48
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SU, without any hesitation, plan A. Without a doubt, Calderon is head and shoulders above anyone else in that price range. Rondo and McDyess would be next in line.
Do you plan on holding Butler and Jaminson during the week of 1/16 thru 1/22?
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| 135 | dpr
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Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 11:48
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how necessary is it to get back into Howard? right now it is is my plans but if I become trade strapped i will likely skip him. He has the 4 in 5 but then a pretty weak schedule for a few weeks. How long u guys holding him? Also even if i do get Howard im doing so from Iverson and holding Duncan. Is this foolish?
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| 136 | Senator Urine
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Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 11:59
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#134, Yeah my plan right now is to hold Butler, and if I go the Jamison route, hold him also. The 2 in 7 sucks, but with the way it's set up it looks like people could move back into them immediately. I think they're both great value / trade savers.
I really hope Kobe cools off again because as of now I don't see how I can get him, unless I skip Calderon and Nash and go with Louis today.
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| 137 | The Bandwagon
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Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 12:07
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I will hold Howard thru 1/16. If trades are a concern for you, then skipping Howard and using that trade for TD to a Bobcat would make sense on 1/8.
I assume you're getting TD from Boozer?
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| 138 | Pica
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Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 12:11
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My team's getting killed for not having Paul and enough Bobcats. I strapped myself in front of the computer for a couple hours and worked out a decent plan:
Wade, Telfair > Gerald, JRich now
KG, Howard > Kobe, Iverson on 3rd
AI > Howard after 4in5
Option trades: Gay, Udrih > Calderon sometime during next trade week if trade allows or can wait until the 9th trade refresh
downside include 1. possibly holding Gay since i won't have a lot of money to upgrade him and he is likely to lose a bundle after another (highly probable) disapointment vs SA. 2. holding GS boys through the 2in6 with NOR, SA. and 3. no Bynum, no Suns.
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| 139 | Senator Urine
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Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 12:13
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Now there's news on rotoworld that Nash and Grant Hill are banged up. I was planning on getting both and holding them for a good amount of time. I wonder if I should alter my plans with this news.
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| 140 | dpr
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Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 12:13
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Yea from boozer/howard im going to Camby and TD. Duncan stays and Camby becomes Howard AI becomes Howard. In meantime Paul becomes wallace and aljeff nash. that leaves one extra trade but if im short plan b is wait on aljeff to nash til the next week and then have to move AI for a gaurd. Camby also becomes bynum.
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| 141 | dpr
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Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 12:16
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typo above. obviously camby and AI dont both become howrd. CAmby is bynum as stated later.
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| 142 | Senator Urine
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Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 13:32
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I'm starting to sour a bit on Louis Williams. He really hasn't been doing well, and he's also nursing that toe injury. Combine that with high expectations, it could be a disaster.
If Hill and Nash aren't options in a few days, it would probably make sense to gamble with Williams today and grab Calderon in a few from Beno. But if Hill and Nash are available, I'd want both of them. Both are expected to play tonight so it's too early to rule them out.
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| 143 | Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 15:43
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The Howard situation is going to be interesting. I had planned on holding forever and probably still do, but there are other options I guess. But go take a look at his averages in the sortables - probably the definition of consistency.
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| 144 | Senator Urine
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Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 17:12
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I think I'm going to go with Calderon. He's been a monster.
I just have a bad feeling about Louis Williams, he's got that injury he's playing through (and not well) and the Sixers in general are in a transition period. Follow up trades wouldn't surprise me. Plus you never know, they might still go with the "win now" charade and give Giricek minutes. Williams really hasn't been that great in general except for that one week where everyone had him but me.
Or am I overanlyzing and being an idiot by skipping Williams?
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| 145 | The Bandwagon
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Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 18:39
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SU, I like your decision of Calderon. You probably saved yourself a trade or two.
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| 147 | Pica
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Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 12:10
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The Nazr situation is certainly taking a turn for the worse in a quick way. With news that he's going to split minutes with Okafor is not exactly good news. Nazr is quickly risen to # in center ownership and has a ton to lose. What if Nazr repeats the same performance with the same amount of minutes today? Does that warrant a massive selloff?
In a way he could open up a way to get back to Bynum or possibly Calderon. That would probably impact the choice of stud swap from KG and Howard on the 3rd though. Is any of you guys concerned about the situation?
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| 148 | Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 12:24
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Yeah I'm getting nervous about it too. I'll run some options in a bit, but the thing that jumps out obviously is getting back into Bynum. Hopefully Bynum's recent two subpar outings were due to Boozer / KG, and not Kwame.
I should also note that if I sell Nazr, I'd have exactly one trade left for moving my Howard replacement back into Howard. Can nothing stupid happen over the course of a week? If Nazr stinks today and his next game, I think it's a chance I'll have to take.
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| 149 | The Bandwagon@work
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Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 14:59
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At this stage in the season, I hate having players on my roster that come off the bench (Nazr). I was hoping he could last to 1/23, but that isn't going to happen. The good think for us, is that there are some cheap options at center.
With my future plans, I'll probably jump on the hot $$ train (F or C) from Nazr with intentions of upgrading that slot on 1/17 when Howard is gone.
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| 150 | The Bandwagon
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Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 11:55
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| Rank | GurupieName | LSWP0 | LSWP | LSWP5 | WWR | FV | Cash | RV | FVC | Trades | | 1 | dpr-93 | 8381 | 289.5 | 5405.5 | 2 | 72.66 | 0.26 | 72.40 | -0.08 | 3 | | 2 | tothreeball-502 | 8170.5 | 337 | 5370 | 59 | 67.44 | 2.64 | 64.80 | 0.27 | 1 | | 3 | Senator Urine-190 | 8145 | 321 | 5155.5 | 53 | 69.77 | 0.37 | 69.40 | 0.27 | 2 | | 4 | The Bandwagon-1022 | 8096.5 | 342.5 | 5211.5 | 38 | 69.35 | 1.30 | 68.05 | 0.24 | 4 | | 5 | Blooki-845 | 8063.5 | 337.5 | 5196.5 | 127 | 69.34 | 0.69 | 68.65 | 0.25 | 2 | | 6 | Winston-1104 | 8058 | 295 | 5144.5 | 52 | 68.36 | 1.85 | 66.51 | 0.14 | 4 | | 7 | Pica-4490 | 7985 | 251 | 5154 | 96 | 67.93 | 1.24 | 66.69 | 0.06 | 2 | | 8 | Gary Dotson-5568 | 7891 | 302.5 | 5075.5 | 183 | 66.42 | 0.79 | 65.63 | 0.07 | 0 |
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| 151 | The Bandwagon
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Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 13:02
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Happy New Year to everyone on Team Bandwagon and the forum.
Our team is set up nicely for the new year with a trade advantage over the other GMD teams. Keep up the good work, and plan wisely.
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| 152 | The Bandwagon
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Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 22:32
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Speaking of planning wisely, I'm sitting here looking at my roster and future moves and I see Baron Davis, Gerald Wallace, Amare Stoudamire, and Grant Hill either on my team, or in the plans. What happened to my strategy of avoiding injury prone players? lol
It's amazing how a good schedule, good production, and lack of $$ will make you compromise your fantasy morals.
I love this game!
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| 153 | SU in library
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Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 17:55
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Hey guys, unfortunately I'm not going to have internet access until tomorrow night sometime, I was able to get on for a few minutes in a library. So that means I'll only have a couple hours to plan before the SA game.
I'm in a bit of a terrible trade situation. A few days ago I thought I would have one extra trade after moving Duncan/Nugget back into Howard. But the combination of the DWright injury with the Nazr situation has really screwed that up.
Six trades - Howard, Boozer, Duncan, and Paul are must sells. Nazr will more than likely be one also. Beno I'd like to move also. That's all six. I'll be holding Stephen Jackson and Baron once again.
In addition to getting back Howard, I'm thinking of taking Duncan (I may be forced into Carmelo unfortunately), Amare, Grant Hill, Bynum, and Jamison (for an endless hold). I'd be holding Amare for a long time also, not moving him into a Washington player as some will ultimately do.
Let's say Nazr has to go - would you
A) Move him for Bynum, hold Udrih
B) Move him for Hill, hold Udrih
C) Sell both and hope nothing goes wrong
I'm going to be kicked off in 7 minutes, so I'll probably just end up figuring it out tomorrow at the deadline. I've already projected out the next five weeks and it's ugly. I had a couple good rotations that got derailed by the Wright situation.
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| 154 | tothreeball
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Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 22:35
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Happy New Year team. Just returned from some holiday travel and am trying to catch up on a few things. I have 5 trades with plans for each of them this week, however, Nazr will now have to go. I'll move him to Jrich tomorrow in conjunction with Howard and Boozer to Duncan and Amare. Will move Paul to Butler on 1/6 and Duncan back to Howard on 1/8. I'll keep Outlaw who'd originally been on the trade block, and move him next week. Thought about keeping Howard or Paul. Paul will have one heavy sale date, Howard probably 2. Paul's schedule too spotty to keep although the way he's producing it is tempting. Just don't want to take the RV hits.
Is anyone considering holding Howard?
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| 155 | Pica
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Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 04:46
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SU: with another stinker from Nazr, I think he is a must sell. I am selling him for Bynum. I checked the boxscores of two previous Laker games and he underperformed due to foul trouble in Boston game and Lakers blowing out the Jazz. Even Kobe played less than 30 minutes in the Jazz game.
tothreeball: I'm not going to keep Howard at all. You could be looking at around 1m in price swings and about 130-150 points down from going to alternatives and then back. It's worth 2 trades in my opinion.
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| 156 | Pica
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Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 09:25
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These trades are pretty much set:
Howard, Nazr > TD/Amare, Bynum now
KG > Kobe on the 6th
TD/Amare > Howard
Next trade week would do Beno > Calderon on the 9th. or on the 6th depending on trade situation.
But i have two questions that need some comment from my teammates.
1. Between TD and Amare, who do you guys prefer and who do you think are more of a long term hold? Is it safe to assume those pickup TD will flip him back to Howard and those who got Amare tends to hold him longer?
2. I am considering going aggressive and trade one or even both warriors, for either TD/Amare and Hill/Salmons. If I rid of the warrior(s), i likely won't pick them back up after refresh. Does it really worth the trades into like a Sun, where you pickup 5-3 game advantage this week but warriors quickly even that out in the next trade week? Should I just better off keep the GS boys?
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