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Subject: Bandwagon's GMD team (TP4)
Posted by: The Bandwagon
- [47059223] Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 09:29
We didn't win TP3, but we were market performers for the session. I issued an upgrade for Team Bandwagon before the bell this morning to a market outperform for the next 3 sessions.
Rotoguru street was excited about the upgrade in the early hours of trading, as trading volume has increased 3 times the 30 day average trading volume. |
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| 67 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 09:27
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I should note that I have enough to move Dalembert to Duncan today, but that would mean I'd only have a 0.39 at current prices to get into Kaman from Bynum. I don't want to chance it, especially if Bibby comes back that would mean I'm definitely priced out of both Bell and Daniels. And even if I took Carter, it still feels risky.
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| 68 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 09:28
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And the original plan was to move Dalembert to Jamison today.
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| 69 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 10:02
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Ugh, I just worked it out. If you throw away the option of taking Bell, I have two general plans.
A) Original. Dalembert to Jamison today, Howard to Duncan after Howard's last back to back, then on the Calderon sell date pick up Josh Smith probably.
B) New. Dalembert to Duncan today, Howard to Marion after Howard's last back to back, then on the Calderon sell date pick up Jamison. This plan locks me out of Daniels this week. I'd have to either hold Beno or take Carter, because as it stands I only have a 390k window for Bynum to Kaman. I don't know if I'll make it with people going in early.
It works out to 5 Jamison and 1 Smith vs. 3 Duncan and 4 Marion. Realistically one extra trade since Smith can be held forever whereas Marion cannot.
Do I want to lock myself out of Daniels, and be in fear all week of that 390k window evaporating? Plus there's the "Duncan has been banged up" factor, and plays Minnesota and Philly this week. On the other hand, there's the "Jamison plays Boston" twice factor.
Ugh, an easy trading day suddenly turns into a huge decision.
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| 71 | The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 10:32
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SU, I like the B rotation alot better, but the 390K cushion is scary.
I like Daniels the best out of the three cheapies, and Bell the least. Carter would be blood pressure central with his 40 TSNP's one game, then 11 TSNP's the next 2.
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| 72 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 10:40
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Do you think I'll make it? With all of these injuries and poor schedule fits, I'm not sure I will.
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| 73 | The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 12:12
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IMO, everyone that wanted Kaman should have got him last night from Hill. Today he is beginning a 1 in 5 so the only buys he may get in the next 5 days would be from Dalembert on the 12th. He could possibly get a 150K bump then.
After tonight, Bynum has 3 games in 4 nights and it would be absoulutely crazy for anyone to dump him before 1/15, but crazy things like that seem to happen often in this game.
I think the cushion holds.
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| 74 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 13:53
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The downsides to Plan B vs. Plan A
- Kaman window
- Locked out of Daniels until Calderon sell date, forced to take Carter from Beno (maybe even a good thing?)
- Duncan plays two bad teams and got banged up all week
- If Mo gets hurt or suddenly stinks and a sell off is imminent, I'd have no money to upgrade
If I took Jamison today, I could also theoretically move Jackson two games early into Marion. That plan (plan C) compared to plan B is 5 Jamison vs. 3 Duncan and 2 Jackson. And that way there's no risk with the Kaman window, I can get Daniels, the Duncan risk (which may be in my head) is eliminated, and I'd be able to move Mo into Smith or Iverson.
Do you think this is a better route?
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| 75 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 19:53
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Argh, I think I'm going to have to pass on the Duncan plan. I just can't risk not getting Kaman, and while it seems that the window will hold I remember cases where it was a sure thing and then all of a sudden I was a few hundred short. Then when you factor in the flexibility that taking Jamison now would give me, I think I have to do it. Even though I have a bad feeling about it. 2 minutes to decide I guess...
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| 76 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 19:59
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Well I just zoned out, looks like Jamison it is. Anyone care to talk me out of him and into anyone else?
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| 79 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 15:57
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I was tempted to move Duncan and Beno the other day, but decided to hold. In spite of an RV hit, I suppose I'm happy to have done nothing. I have looked at my roster and thought I could actually hold everyone for at least 2 weeks .. although it will not happen. So many tempting players coming up over the next while. Kaman, Kidd, Kobe, Bynum (again), not to mention the immediate temptations to the Washington players. I'm leaning towards holding Beno until there are sure signs of $$$ and/or production drops with the pending returns of Martin and Bibby. I'm not enamored with any of the cheapie options, Daniels may be the best, but I don't really want to use a guard spot if I move Beno. Joe Smith has been great, but the pending return of Deng and Nocioni will have to slow his production down. Moon is tempting again, although schedule drys up somewhat after 10 days. None of these moves seem more than lateral from Beno. I'm still holding Lou Williams, I probably should consider moving him to Moon.
Anyway, I actually thought, what would it be like if I held this lineup for two weeks, and was sitting with 11 trades? Then I woke up.
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| 81 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 11:51
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Dalembert => Kaman today.
Bynum => ??? on Tuesday.
I can get anyone $6mil-ish and below at any position, but pure Cs are practically off limits because those spots need to be available for the Kaman/Bynum tandem next week.
I'm tentatively penciling in Anthony Carter due to money-train-ibility and production:price value. This will leave me with an idle $4mil ($7mil after Dwight gets broken down) lying around for about half a week. It's not the end of the world, but I can't find any decent mid-priced options that I would want to lock-in long-term.
Anyone disagree?
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| 82 | Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 16:10
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hey Bandwagon,
you make want to look at the TSN message board, some douche bag is accusing you of cheating. Not saying your should respond, but I thought you should know about it.
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| 83 | Ron
ID: 400431219
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 20:43
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some douche bag is accusing you of cheating
What else would you call it? Why does he need three accounts when it is blatantly obvious he is running all the teams.? Hell He even freely admits on here that he is managing all the teams. He should not be able to collect 3 top 100 prizes yet when you click on the prize link there he sits with 3 top 100 prizes. TSN should make it known he will not win 3 top 100 prizes and remove two of his teams from the prize link. Don't give me any bull crap he is helping a family member or whatever. Anybody can create multiple accounts and claim the same thing. All the moves are being made by him and it shouldn't be tolerated.
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| 84 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 08:31
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For the other few that have him, what are you guys doing about Mo Williams today?
This seems like a really difficult decision, and last night's game didn't make it any easier. An awful game combined with entering a weak portion of the schedule for a historically streaky / injury-prone player makes me very nervous. If he screws up again in Utah it's going to be a nightmare.
On the other hand, his schedule becomes great again right after, and if he plays as he's been playing up until last night he'd be excellent value.
I think what's making this decision so hard is that the rotations aren't clear yet, a lot is going to depend on performances closer to the buy dates. Some questions that don't really have definitive answers yet that play into this are:
- Do we want Josh Smith? When? And are we going to hold him through those 1 in 4s when many other strong options exist?
- After more than likely selling Howard on 1/17, do we need to get him back on 1/30?
- If Kidd still seems as essential in a few days when the schedule picks up and we take him, how do we get out? There aren't any clear exits on 1/26, but that hasn't stopped people in the past. Is holding until 1/30 or 2/14 realistic?
- The issue of overpriced Kobe having an absolutely disgusting schedule.
- When are the Suns going to start being sold off?
- When is the optimal time to buy Lebron?
It's really complicated, so it's hard to make an assessment on selling Mo in terms of "X number of games for X number of trades." What do you guys think?
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| 86 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 11:11
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I should say right now I'm leaning 55% towards holding, in the hopes that he has a big game against his former team and in the hopes that he once again destroys Atlanta. And mainly because making a decision right now could prove costly next week. I think the closest thing to planning we can do for this is keep flexibility open.
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| 87 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 12:59
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Senator, I'm not sure what to do with Williams. I'm looking at players I want to get, manly Kidd and Kaman. I like Williams, but suspect I'll probably move him to get to Kaman. On the Beno front, 3 of us still own him. I'm moving him today, although he still has a good schedule and will likely continue to produce, the $$$ losses coming won't be pretty.
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| 88 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 13:02
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Do you mean you're moving him today for Kaman or after his game on the 14th?
I agree with you about Beno, I think he needs to go.
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| 89 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 13:11
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Sorry for the ambiguity. I'll likely move him after the Utah game on the 14th. Williams is a player I really would prefer not to move, but I think Kaman is a must have.
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| 90 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 13:17
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Oh yeah, if he's your only way into Kaman then definitely. I'd make that move 100% of the time.
If I trade Mo today, it would likely be for Josh Smith or Iverson. But that would make me answer a few of those questions in #84 right now too far in advance, and realistically I can't even say if it gains me any games.
I could do a Mo to Smith, Jackson to Mo in-and-out rotation. This would get me 4 Smith vs. 2 Mo and 1 Jackson, but it would definitely lock me out of getting Lebron early and could affect my ability to get Kobe and / or Howard back.
For a move I'd really like to do I'd have to overcome a 930k window by the 20th. While it seems like a longshot, it very well could be possible looking at how Bynum's price fell a couple weeks ago in a similar situation. For this move to be even remotely possible, holding Mo is a must.
Maybe I should just hold him. I'm thinking most people have bigger problems, and getting out of Mo is sort of a luxury trade. What do you guys think?
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| 91 | Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 13:27
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INTRUDER
SU, I have Mo, have 4 trades and see no reason to move him today. If he has again a bad game vs Utah, then he could become a concern but today is really early to bail on him.
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| 93 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 19:29
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I'm going to hold Mo at least to the next game.
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| 94 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 20:29
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Yeah I'm going to hold, there just wasn't a clear cut way out that would guarantee me an increase in money OR points.
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| 95 | I hate cheaters
ID: 180521319
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 20:52
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What else would you call it? Why does he need three accounts when it is blatantly obvious he is running all the teams.? Hell He even freely admits on here that he is managing all the teams. He should not be able to collect 3 top 100 prizes yet when you click on the prize link there he sits with 3 top 100 prizes. TSN should make it known he will not win 3 top 100 prizes and remove two of his teams from the prize link. Don't give me any bull crap he is helping a family member or whatever. Anybody can create multiple accounts and claim the same thing. All the moves are being made by him and it shouldn't be tolerated.
Has The Bandwagon gone into the Witness Protection Program? Interesting he hasn't responded here or at the TSN Forum.
Olly Olly Oxen Free. Come out come out Bandwagon.
Crickets chirping
Hide if you must. Your Day of Reckoning is coming.
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| 96 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 23:10
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Realized I didn't have enough $$$ to go Beno to Carter so I picked up Boone. Bynum has left the Laker game with a knee injury, so having an extra C eligible player can't hurt.
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| 98 | The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 11:57
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BREAKING NEWS:
The TSN verdict is in.......Innocent
Sorry to drag Team Bandwagon through all the negative media.
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| 99 | Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 13:33
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Blooki, please get your teams under control. I cannot gauge where I am in the standings with you jumping all over the place.
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| 100 | Bandwagon=Cheater
ID: 330261415
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 16:26
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#98
Yeah and OJ was found not guilty of murdering 2 people.
You are a total joke. Your DNA and footprints are all over the scene. For the last few days if you didn't cheat you would have been all over the place proclaiming your innocence. We will accept your silence as an admission of guilt. You are a disgrace.
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| 101 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 16:44
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#100
Easy man, easy. We're talking about a game here.
Personally I don't care how many accounts or teams somebody has. If anybody wants to put extra time into managing multiple teams or accounts, let them. Same as if somebody wants to buy multiple lottery tickets, fine. I don't have the time to manage multiple teams so I have one account and one team. And I couldn't care less that others can lift players out of gravity with their own 25 teams while I can't. Just means I have to play better to still be able to compete. So what.
And yeah I know, this whole "cheat" discussion is all about the prize money. Heck, I'm not prize eligible (and never have been) and still enjoy the game, imagine that! BTW - if you want to be sure your money isn't "stolen" by Bandwagon's multiple accounts, there's one dead certain way to accomplish it: Beat him! ;)
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| 102 | C. Bird
ID: 5510211919
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 17:21
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#100
As it stands right now, The Bandwagon and his 15 team wall of greatness affects me the most (as it relates to the prizes) and I have no problem with it (not that it matters). Get off the guy! If he wants to manage different teams from different accounts and put in the time to do so, so be it. If he had a WWR of 500 no one would care. Quit whining and use some of that energy to BEAT him!! The guy is not cheating and anyone that suggests otherwise is an idiot.
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| 103 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 17:33
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So what's everyone doing with Bynum?
Since he was my in to Kaman, I think I'm going to just stick with that. I could get fancy and move him for someone who plays tonight, and move Mo to Kaman tomorrow. But I may want to keep Mo around, especially since there are so many variables right now I'd hate to lock myself into anything just yet.
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| 104 | LD
ID: 420351416
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 17:35
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If he wants to manage different teams from different accounts and put in the time to do so, so be it.
That's fine except he is showing up on the Prize board with 3 different accounts and you are only allowed to win one. He is taking up 2 spots depriving 2 managers of a prize.
The guy is not cheating and anyone that suggests otherwise is an idiot.
Seems to me if he wins 3 Top 100 prizes from 3 different accounts that is cheating.
I hope for your sake he gives you the $350.00 he is going to cheat you out of.
Great that you don't mind being cheated but tell that to managers ranked 101 and 102. I don't think they will forgive the scumbag as easily as you.
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| 105 | reebbertxx
Leader
ID: 561124720
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 17:36
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Soulman, it may technically not be cheating but I find it to be at the least unethical. I'm SURE that I'm not the only person who posts here that feels this way. Three different people created a new account to post their objections to it.
Manage 100 teams if you want but do it under your own account so that 2 more people will get the chance to win some prize money.
I realize it's not the popular opinion over here but I think it needed saying.
Rob
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| 106 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 18:20
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It's got nothing to do with popular opinion or anything. I understand everybody saying that using several accounts to get several prizes is unfair, unethical, whatever. Also I wouldn't use several accounts myself (even if I was prize eligible), because I think it's against the idea of the game.
Still, that's exactly my point - the idea of the game. As far as I'm concerned the idea is to have fun in a decent community with a sport we love. If it was for money, it wouldn't make sense to play the game. Instead we could use the minimum 1 hour we spend every day on research, forum, etc. to work more and earn more money than we probably could win via prizes.
So my point is that I'm all for fairness, but I'm also against bashing someone - even if his approach wouldn't match our own. So I'd say leave the man alone and let's focus on the game and the fun. Which brings me to answering #103 - Sell him for Kaman of course! :)
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| 107 | Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 18:22
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I agree with Rob that this is unethical. The rules are in place for a reason. An explanation from The Bandwagon would be nice.
He's not the only manager doing this. Trigs and Maxthedog90210 is also running identical teams on different accounts.
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| 108 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 18:33
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He has said in the past that these are buddy's accounts and they are copying his moves.
[sarcasm]The fact that he sounded like Roger Clemens issuing a heated denial has nothing to do with it.[/sarcasm] lol
As a devout religious dude, I'm sure Bandwagon will have to answer to this at the Pearly Gates. Surely someone of his ilk would never ever cheat.
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| 109 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 18:36
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I know several years ago Y2JS (who should be back in a couple months) and I ran identical teams from different accounts. It wasn't a scam to get prize money, we both were just big NBA / Smallworld fans from the same school and thought it would be fun to kill some time managing a team together. Then near the end of the year we'd split them off and it would be interesting to see how we'd arrive at different decisions after forcing ourselves to agree year round.
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| 110 | C. Bird
ID: 5510211919
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 18:41
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#104-#107
I see your point(s) and understand where you are coming from however, I play this game for fun and to win. Whatever money comes with it is a bonus. My goal as it relates to money in fantasy sports is to win enough to pay for my team(s) in the next sport. I am of the mindset that all I have to do is beat him and all of this multiple account garbage doesn't matter. Just Win Baby!!!
Also, ultimately it doesn't matter what anybody thinks if TSN rules that it's not cheating.
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| 111 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 19:20
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not sure where i lie on the debate. i'm not going to lie...if i end up winning a few hundred less because bandwagon gets the top 3 prizes (this is hypothetical obviously, since i can't even smell the wall of bandwagon), i wouldn't be too happy.
TSN's answer on that message board perplexed me...they have researched it and are assured it is not the same person running the team? i don't buy it.
On the other side of the coin...not sure if it is all that different than entering a bunch of teams in different divisions.
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| 112 | The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 19:41
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#109 nailed it to a tee guys. I'm sure there are several that do the same. We have all 3 played Smallworld/TSN off and on for the past 10 years with different strategies.
If I was trying to cheat someone, beleive me, I wouldn't have made it so obvious for the world to see. I wasn't born yesterday.
There's more than half a season to go, and its not written in stone that we'll finish in the top 5. We could very well end up in the 30's or lower and take home $50 each like the past 2 years, and no one would say anything.
TSN said everything was legit, and it's not breaking rules. So all I have to say to my haters out there: "don't hate the player, hate the game".
Wow, I've always wanted to use that phrase.
I'll be making a new thread to bash me. This thread is for Team Bandwagon strategy. Thanks
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| 113 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 19:46
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fair enough bandwagon...that's all i need to hear
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| 117 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 11:37
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I'm keeping Mo.
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| 118 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 15:22
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I think I'm going to also. Especially in light of this Kaman news, ugh. It's hard to make decisions when everyone is either injured / terrible.
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| 119 | CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 15:44
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You can count on Kaman .... he is a Chippewa!
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| 120 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 20:38
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Still considering Mo to Kaman, I guess I'll wait until gametime.
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| 121 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 20:41
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So, what to do about Daniels now... Ugh. Guess this isn't my year. I can guarantee you I'm going to wake up to a Kaman DNP, and "game time decisions" for both of their next games.
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| 122 | The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 08:40
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| Rank | GurupieName | LSWP0 | LSWP | LSWP5 | WWR | FV | Cash | RV | FVC | Trades | | 1 | dpr-93 | 11460 | 343 | 3079 | 1 | 76.46 | 1.43 | 75.03 | 0.51 | 4 | | 2 | The Bandwagon-1022 | 11308.5 | 268.5 | 3212 | 2 | 74.37 | 1.83 | 72.54 | 0.37 | 8 | | 3 | Senator Urine-190 | 11114 | 303.5 | 2969 | 53 | 73.76 | 1.35 | 72.41 | 0.40 | 6 | | 4 | Pica-4490 | 11039.5 | 179.5 | 3054.5 | 36 | 73.76 | 5.64 | 68.12 | 0.38 | 6 | | 5 | Blooki-845 | 11016 | 282 | 2952.5 | 100 | 72.90 | 3.94 | 68.96 | 0.51 | 4 | | 6 | tothreeball-502 | 10987.5 | 187 | 2817 | 109 | 69.45 | 1.25 | 68.20 | 0.34 | 4 | | 7 | Winston-1104 | 10946 | 270.5 | 2888 | 75 | 73.11 | 0.21 | 72.90 | 0.49 | 6 | | 8 | Gary Dotson-5568 | 10709.5 | 268.5 | 2818.5 | 177 | 68.67 | 1.69 | 66.98 | 0.42 | 4 |
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| 123 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 09:38
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After much collaboration with DJ, I've come up with these two plans:
a. howard > either Jamison or Butler after tonight's game, jax, calderon > kobe and Jamison/Butler didn't get before on 20th
the trick of this plan is the current window stands at 300k, so whoever i get for howard will hopefully the less appreciative in those 3 days of the two Wiz
b. howard > f/g around 4m, jax, calderon > kobe and lbj
no one really stands out as that 4m cheapie though.
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| 124 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 11:37
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am i making a mistake if I plan to not get into LBJ till the end of duncans schedule on the 1/30?
also what do people think about moving back into Howard? personally i dont see room for him with Kobe LBJ and other mid priced players with more desirable schedules
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| 125 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 16:38
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dpr, I think you can get away with it, I'm trying to evaluate that myself right now.
Pica, I think I like a more just because Butler is so great. I think you'll get that window, both Wizards should lose tonight helping your case.
For my team, none of these rotations I plan out feel good. I'm having trouble planning it too because I don't know what to do about Daniels.
I guess my choices are:
A) Hold Daniels
B) Sell him for Anthony Johnson
C) Sell him for Kurt Thomas
Thing is, if Daniels is healthy, with that long term schedule I'd want him back immediately. Theoretically if I took Thomas today, I'd be able to get Daniels back on the Calderon sell date in a few days. But the thing is, let's say Daniels misses the next game - then I surely can't buy into him for the next one. And now let's say Daniels plays the next game - then it's pretty much one trade for 3 Kurt Thomas and some money vs 1 Daniels (and there may be better options than Thomas in a few days depending on if I decide to go expensive with Kobe or cheaper with Josh Smith).
If I get Anthony Johnson, I'd be locked out of getting Daniels back permanently. Not the end of the world, but do I even want Anthony Johnson? I have a bad feeling about him since that stretch of bad games, considering he has Law chasing him. Kind of like what's happened with Fisher lately - pretty solid all year, and now all of a sudden he stinks.
What do you guys think?
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| 126 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 18:10
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I should add that if I move Daniels, then I have exactly one trade to get into Lebron early. (Should I decide not to get Lebron early, then that means I only have one emergency trade).
Maybe I should just hold. But if he sits Friday, I'm going to be feeling really stupid and awful.
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