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0 Subject: Soulman's '07-'08 GMD Team (TP5)

Posted by: Soulman
- Donor [016105313] Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 18:42

Nothing really worked our way in TP4, so not only has the gap to 1st increased, but our lead on 3rd has actually almost evaporated. This is why I felt I needed to make a move in the waiver session, adding our original draftee BD to the roster again.

BD - a hearty welcome back to the team and congrats for turning your team around since that unlucky TP1! Hope you can help us open the gap to 3rd again and keeping the theoretical hope alive of catching Team Bandwagon sometime before April.

Philsphan - sorry to have to make the move, but BD just has been too solid to be left on waivers. Thanks for your efforts for the team, and of course you're always perfectly welcome in our thread. So please feel free to chime in whenever you feel like.
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278deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 11:39
I want to correct that I would have the cash for Miller, but it would still lock me out of Kaman.
279deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 11:40
And reasonable, I would then wait to move Kidd.
280Soulman
      Donor
      ID: 016105313
      Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 12:03
Right now it looks like hes gonna stay till around 2/3 and then become Josh Howard/Kaman. Thats gonna cost me some bucks though.

But waiting also will gain you bucks! The ones you will make on Mavs. If you drop JRich early, would you have a good entry to JHoward? Or even a trade to hop on late week trains? What I want to say is that JRich>Josh on 2/3 is an absolutely perfect fit - and seeing how many other fires each team has to put out right now I simply think selling JRich any earlier does not make sense at all.

281Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 12:12
Other than a return to Kaman
282Soulman
      Donor
      ID: 016105313
      Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 12:54
True that. But depending on how much time he misses, I'd like to see at least one game of his before I buy back into him. Nothing worse than aggravating an injury by returning early.
283deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 13:01
So it comes down:

Horford
vs
Miller(locks me out of Kaman and lets me keep Kidd another game)

Have some time to think about it, so thats what Im gonna do.

284bd
      ID: 01081412
      Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 15:59
Dave R. -- I know it's not on your GMD team (see Post 257), but I saw on an injury report:

*Guard Corey Maggette (1/28, flu-like symptoms) is questionable for Monday's game against Charlotte
285bd
      ID: 01081412
      Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 16:04
On NBA.com they don't have Kaman listed as a probable starter for tonight. Don't know how much you can rely on it.
Clips vs. Bobcats probable starters per nba.com
286Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 16:05
Great. Thanks BD.
287Gescom
      Leader
      ID: 520461315
      Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 16:41
I give up on Kidd, can bear it anymore. See you on another team may be.
288deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 18:20
Im pretty close to a Kidd to Horford move myself Gescom.
Cant stand him anymore.
290turnabouts
      ID: 6828256
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 11:23
3 Plans to go:

A) today: Gay - B.Miller
Wednesday: Duncan - LeBron and Stoudemire to Kaman
2/3 J-Rich - Josh Howard

If Kaman will not play on Wednesday or beeing a gametime decision i will hold Amare one more game and do the trade on Friday.

B) today: Gay - Horford
Wednesday: Duncan - LeBron and Stoudemire to B.Miller
2/3 J-Rich - Nowitzki

If Kaman plays tomorrow i can go to him and skip B.Miller and take J. Howard instead of Dirk on 2/3

C) today: Gay - Center under 3400k (Kwame Brown, Blount, J. Foster)
Wednesday: Duncan- LeBron and Stoudemire to Howard
2/3: J-Rich to Josh Howard

I like A) with Kaman and Brad Miller the most. But it's risky because it's not save that Kaman will return tomorrow. Then B)

What do you think?
291deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 12:15
Seem to prefer B turnabouts, then A. Close call though
Dont like C.
292Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 12:59
definitely A, turnabouts.

With Kaman's iffy status, you have the capability of holding Amare an extra game. I would fully expect Kaman back Friday at the latest.

The Horford route would give F/C flex for down the road ( and make the most $ ), but I'm not convinced he's the real answer and you might find you'll be itching to trade him soon, if he isn't needed as a C.
293Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 13:18
turnabouts, would you consider Calderon and D Howard instead of Josh and Horford ( or Kaman )

I think you have the funds to move Jrich and Gay to Miller / Calderon today and tomorrow James and Dwight. Solves a C dillema and Kaman can be obtained later from another source if need be.

Calderon's sched is the same as Horford for the next week or so , and I think up to 2/19 he plays 2 less games, but the points could be a wash. And you know he is someone you want long term.
294Dilo
      Donor
      ID: 30912294
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 13:38
A) is my favourite too.

I have also two ways to go, one very similar to turnabots A) which would be:
Tomorrow:
Duncan, Amare, Marion to James, Kaman, Miller (holding Amare one more game would be a possibility too if Kaman is uncertain)
This would leave me with i think about 0,8 Mio window to get J.Howard from Gay on the 3rd.

B)
Tomorrow:
Duncan, Amare, Marion to James, D.Howard, Horford, then Howard back to Duncan.
Would leave me out of Kaman (again), and would mean i keep Gay (probably beyond the All-Star-Break)

Anybody a favourite?
295deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 13:57
A.
dont like the holding of Gay that much, sked is pretty bad.
296Soulman
      Donor
      ID: 016105313
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 14:01
#290
Definitely not C, turnabouts. Both A and B are good routes, I seem to like B slightly better as it gives you the most flexibility. But it's a close call between A and B, either one looks good.

#294
Dilo, with your options I absolutely prefer A. What I don't like about B at all is keeping Gay and the many trades on TD>DH>TD. I had planned that swap myself weeks ago but the recent flurry of injuries makes me prefer more conservative options now.
297turnabouts
      ID: 6828256
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 14:01
Thanks for your answers.

293

I have only one trade left today so i can only move Gay or J-Rich. And Calderon comes to my team from Crawford on 2/10.

294

Do you have the possibility to move Gay today to Horford and tomorrow Duncan, Amare and Marion to LeBron , Kaman and B. Miller (or Marion to Kaman on Friday)?
298deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 14:26
I have only one trade left today so i can only move Gay or J-Rich

I would do Gay then today. But I see now that was indeed the plan...
299Dilo
      Donor
      ID: 30912294
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 14:26
297
I have the possibility, but that would leve me with one trade after wednessday. And I would prefer miller and j.howard more than miller and horford.
300Dilo
      Donor
      ID: 30912294
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 16:46
Is anyone considering Ilgauskas in this whole center-mess? He's doing quite well lately.
301turnabouts
      ID: 6828256
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 17:21
300

Not really. What is your plan?
302deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 19:00
Well this Butler thing really kills it.
What a year.
303Dilo
      Donor
      ID: 30912294
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 05:14
301
No plan with Ilgauskas, but after the caron-news i'm seriously considering keeping my two centers (Duncan-Amare) for the next game (actually the play each other and SA-PHO shoud be a intense game), and going today Butler, Marion to B.Miller and James.
304deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 07:03
Im defenitely going Butler to Lebron today.
The rest well I dont know yet.

From tomorrow on, our Captain will watch my team till Monday.
Since Im going back to my home country for a few days and hardly wont have any time to deal with the NIA, the National Injured Association.
305Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 07:19
If you are unsure what the column header means, hover over it with your mouse.
A pop up will display a longer definition of the header.

GURUPATRON BONUS MATERIAL

The following columns are sartible and reverse sartible.
Click on the column header once for the default sort order.
Click a second time for the reverse sort order.

Rank

GurupieName

LSWP0

LSWP

LSWP5

WWR

FV

Cash

RV

FVC

Trades

1 turnabouts-1495 14004 252 2847.5 30 77.66 3.95 73.71 0.34 4
2 Gescom-1851 13924 274.5 2954.5 48 77.58 2.48 75.10 0.29 4
3 Dave R-4326 13876.5 223 2769 189 78.98 6.46 72.52 0.29 4
4 Soulman-786 13860 171 2829 71 78.01 3.22 74.79 0.17 4
5 Usual Suspects-1857 13840.5 240 2872.5 51 74.49 2.35 72.14 0.03 4
6 deejay-168 13680.5 151 2851.5 135 76.58 6.11 70.47 0.06 4
7 BD-1544 13669 207.5 2729.5 143 71.88 6.44 65.44 0.18 4
8 Dilo-1633 13547 243.5 2822 133 72.82 0.87 71.95 0.11 5



Head To Head

UNIQUE TO
UNIQUE TO
COMMON TO BOTH TEAMS
306Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 07:28
Well, Bulter certainly changed things. So much for trying to map things out. With the news that Butler is out tonight and nothing definite for Friday, and with Kaman's iffy status, looks like the options are:

1) Hold Butler and hope he plays Friday
JRich => Lebon
TD => Kaman tonight ( or wait til Friday )


2) Butler => Lebron
TD => Kaman ( see above )
JRich => Butler later

Honestly, if I knew Butler was going to play on Friday, I would prefer option 1.

And there is no real rush to move TD => Kaman tonight.
307deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 09:13
I think I will move Butler, Dave.

so far I accomplished 2 plans, Camby really needs to play for this:

A.
Butler/Duncan to Kobe/Lebron today
2/3 JRich to Josh H./Butler/Kaman/Dirk

B.
Butler/Jrich to Lebron/Miller
2/1 Duncan to Kobe

In both plans Camby ideally becomes Duncan on tuesday.
Any advice is welcome today.
This is no fun at all.

308deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 09:14
Paul stays till 2/7 btw, then he becomes Calderon.
309qwert
      Donor
      ID: 2910242819
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 10:10
*intruder

307, deejay...for B, why not

Duncan and Butler to Lebron/Miller today
and
Jrich to Kobe tomorrow
310deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 10:27
oops thanks qwert, thats what i meant too. my bad.
311deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 12:39
Leaning towards Duncan/Butler to Lebron/Kobe today.

JRich stays then till I can either change him into Kaman/Dirk/Josh Howard/Butler

312Soulman
      Donor
      ID: 016105313
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 13:53
Already have Jamison/Kobe/Miller/Smith/Camby/Horford so I'm thinking Duncan/Butler > James/Iguodala tonight. Could even get LeBron and Dirk from Duncan and Butler by 10k - but with a new player going down every night I think it's vital to keep some cash reserves as well as ensuring total position flex. This is why I prefer Iggy over short-term fixes like Wallace or Deron. And Iverson isn't really a guy I want to pick up as trade-challenged as I am, so Iggy seems the guy to get. Any objections?
313deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:14
Sounds good to me Soulman.
You're about to recieve mail btw.
314deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:17
Or what about Odom, Soulman?
Less flex though.
315Soulman
      Donor
      ID: 016105313
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:30
Yes, Odom would have been the other option. I like Iggy's flex though - and going by the averages his production is superior to Odom's. Besides, buying Iggy has to be today. Odom has still time until tomorrow when I could get him from whoever surprise DNPs tonight.
316deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:34
true that :)

You've got mail.
317Usual Suspects
      ID: 5510262310
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:38
Wow...4 trades and the following players on my team:

Duncan
Amare
Butler
Varajeo
Camby
Kidd

Kidd and Camby are clear holds, though I am very weary of a DNP shortly from either or...however the other 4 look like they all need to go! Varajeo is obviously priority #1 to sell. Amare has to go either today or after tomorrow's game at the latest. Duncan can theoretically be held but an 0 in 5 is absolutely terrible, would almost rather gamble and be tradeless. Butler is the clear unknown in this scenario. Would you guys rather hold Duncan or Butler?
318deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:43
Would you guys rather hold Duncan or Butler?

That is a tough question, Duncan will play 2 games this week
Butler might play 3 max(today not, that we know)
But that is a big Might at this point.
So tend to say hold TD...
Not sure about it though.
319Soulman
      Donor
      ID: 016105313
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:51
US, I'd rather hold Duncan. Their price tag is almost identical but Duncan is healthy and provides flex if needed. Besides, Duncan sells are focused on today and Friday. Nobody in their right mind would sell Duncan on any other day of the week.

Butler on the other hand will lose today, tomorrow (by those managers who aren't on top of things) and from Friday on if there isn't early news that he will play. Means Butler is Wallace and Kaman all over again. And no holder of either of these players has really been rewarded by doing so, so I don't have any reason to think that Butler holders will be rewarded.
320qwert
      Donor
      ID: 2910242819
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:59
*intruder

I think I was rewarded nicely by holding Wallace

39, 47, 39.5, 53

and I still have the opportunity to gain a game

Not to say Butler is the same as Wallace...I think he's more like Kaman...and I agree that holders could be in for trouble.
322Soulman
      Donor
      ID: 016105313
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 15:05
Absolutely, I agree that point-wise you have. What I meant that holding mostly means $$$ punishment - and participating in a 800-1000k swing or not right now could make the difference between getting the must-have stud or the mid-range compromise later on. Means at this point of the season I still measure reward both in terms of points and money.
323bd
      Sustainer
      ID: 102112811
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 15:33
I hae TD and Butler to move today. All 4 guards spots are taken & I have $6.44 in $$. I could move TD/Butler -- > LeBron/D. Howard and that would leave me $2.0 left. Unfortunately that is $530K short of moving Horford back to Kaman. I could not get D. Howard and nobody else is really jumping out at me as a good option.
So option A above and may not go back into Kaman for awhile (could go Camby to Kaman) but don't really like that idea.
Td --> LeBron and Hold Butler (Option B)
TD/Butler --> LeBron and someone under $9.9 Mil (Can't be a guard) (Option C)

I would trade Howard back to Duncan on Tuesday.

Next week I have D. Williams and Crawford to move.
324Soulman
      Donor
      ID: 016105313
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 16:35
BD, I wouldn't base too many things on Kaman. Who knows when he is back? And who knows whether he'll be able to maintain the same torrid pace as before the injury? Besides, he's not $6m anymore and he's not the only C producing. What I'm trying to say is his position among Cs is different than earlier in the season - in the sense that IMO he isn't necessarily a must-have player anymore. I can see teams that have e.g. Miller/Duncan as Cs the upcoming weeks and I believe these teams are as competitive as Kaman teams.

So if you feel good about a move and the only reason not to do it would be that you lock yourself out of Kaman, I'd say forget about Kaman and go with the move you like. If you're unsure and you want to have some in to Kaman even if you don't know yet whether we'll need him or not, then don't blow all money on Dwight but go with some of the $8m guys instead to leave your options open.
325Gescom
      Leader
      ID: 520461315
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 17:37
Apologies for lack of posts lately. Just swamped at work with a lot of travel.

This Butler thing just adds to the horrendous list these days. That's a replication of the Kaman situation and I think he's a must move.

I'm thinking Amare / TD / Butler -> Lebron / Miller / Nowitzki, supposedly 3 long term holds.

Down to one trade but no other must moves this week. Next Tuesday, if I'm not tradeless before which I seriously doubt at current pace, Randolph may convert back into Butler or Duncan.

Agree with Soulman on Kaman. Not a must have anymore until he proves he's a must have again.

Any objection on the above plan, please let me know.
326Dilo
      Donor
      ID: 30912294
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 17:50
Sounds ok, Gescom.
I just did Stoudamire, Butler to James and Miller. Keeping Duncan and Marion for at least one more game, and reevaluate later.
Going to bed now and am afraid of the news to come when I wake up and check the scores. ;)
327deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 18:01
Guys I'll see you all in a few days.
Monday Im back.
Soulman has my team under control in the meantime.
Thanks to our Captain for that.

I went Butler/Duncan to Kobe/Lebron since I didnt have them yet.
328bd
      Sustainer
      ID: 102112811
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 18:35
RE #307 -- I don't really get the Camby to Duncan move. Camby's schedule is fine. I understand Duncan will be a big gainer, but if Camby performs well, it seems like there may be better trade opportunities further down the road.

If that is going to be a popular move, I may need to rethink holding Camby though. I will be going Dwight to Duncan.
329deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 18:41
Its better for my heart bd :)
Its not set in stone by any means, but that is stuff for when Im back.
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