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Subject: RIHC 2008-09: Getting started
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Wed, Sep 17, 2008, 16:15
It’s time to begin organizing the RIHC leagues.
The RIHC managers have all been invited and have accepted (subject to one potential issue). My guidelines for succession were to give initial priority to the top 4 RIHC teams (excluding me), the teams finishing 1-2 in each AAA league, the winner of each AA league (2), and me. Those total 10 teams. Next in line would be the third place teams in the two AAA leagues. Since one league had a tie for third, this left 3 potential managers for two spots. As means to break the tie, I first considered GuruPatron status. Since two of the three were GuruPatrons, I invited them, and the other team is the first “bubble” team.
So, here is the list of the 12 RIHC managers for 2008-09:
Top 5 RIHC: Mike D, Guru, Footwedge, Species, S_R
Top 2 AAA1: EuroGollam, Florian
Top 3 AAA2: Pacers Rule, xpdurmind, deejay (tie), weykool (tie)
AA Winner: KnicksFan
first alternate: 3rd place AAA1 (Holt)
The caveat is that xpdurmind may have a work conflict that precludes him for participating. He has promised to let me know by September 28th. If he cannot participate, Holt will be offered that spot.
I expect the draft to take place during the second half of October. For the RIHC, the draft should not require more than about 8 days, so a starting date of October 15 should work out well. Prior to that, we need to consider whether any rules changes are warranted, and also go through the process of selecting our draft order.
I will open up a thread for qualifying leagues in a moment. After that, we can begin discussing potential rules changes in this thread.
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| 36 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 16:35
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lol......no doubt, deejay. Maybe he was using an old German/Austrian morse code. I say we decode it and run it again!
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| 37 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 17:01
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for sure wasnt Spanish or Flemish. :)
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| 38 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 17:10
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I know! Guru! s R should be AFTER 'Species' in the initial alphabetization!! Easy mistake to make. Please fix it and put me 2nd :)
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| 39 | Florian
ID: 538292916
Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 17:38
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Sorry about the strange set of numbers. I just went to an online random number generator and thought I'd generated a random sorting of the numbers 1-12. I didn't actually review the numbers before I emailed them to Guru.
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| 40 | holt
ID: 29862517
Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 19:01
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1 Holt
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3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
2 s R
3 Pacers Rule
4 Mike D
5 EuroGollum
6 KnicksFan
7 Florian
8 Weykool
9 deejay
10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species
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| 41 | s R
ID: 54048267
Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 02:29
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1 Holt
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3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12 s R
3 Pacers Rule
4 Mike D
5 EuroGollum
6 KnicksFan
7 Florian
8 Weykool
9 deejay
10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species
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| 42 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 10:03
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Picking for Pacers Rule per email instructions:
1 Holt
2 Pacers Rule
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12 s R
4 Mike D
5 EuroGollum
6 KnicksFan
7 Florian
8 Weykool
9 deejay
10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species
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| 43 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 07:03
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I'm here, still trying to decide.
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| 44 | weykool
ID: 45821208
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 09:18
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I'm here, still trying to decide.
May I suggest using Florian's random number generator?
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| 45 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 11:56
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Tough decision it seems.
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| 46 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 12:15
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While waiting, I looked back at the results for first 5 RIHC seasons. Here is the draft order for the eventual winner each season:
2007-08: 8th (Mike D)
2006-07: 8th (Guru)
2005-06: 7th (Mike D)
2004-05: 9th (Euro)
2003-04: 3rd (Dave R)
Meanwhile, the team with the top pick has finished in 12th, 11th, 10th, 7th, and 9th.
So much for the value of drafting first!
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| 47 | Florian
ID: 272433110
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 12:23
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Based on Guru's analysis I guess I should be happy I didn't end up with the first pick. And I have to make sure I draft somewhere between seventh and ninth.
Mike D May I suggest the eighth pick based on Guru's excellent analysis of previous years.
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| 48 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 12:39
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As an aside, I've been considering shifting the Invitational Leagues to a "modified snake" format.
In this format, the first two rounds would snake back and forth as usual. However, the third round would mimic the second round, and the fourth round would mimic the first. This 4-round pattern would then continue throughout the draft. Expressed another way, here is the pattern:
Round 1: 1-12
Round 2: 12-1
Round 3: 12-1
Round 4: 1-12
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This would mean that the team getting the top pick would also have the 24th pick, the 36th, and the 37th. It is a way to try to neutralize the advantage of getting one of the top picks.
Of course, I've seen no evidence in any of the Invitational leagues (in any sport) that drafting near the beginning of the first round has any inherent advantage. So this may be a solution for a non-problem.
In any event, I have not proposed this yet because the kafenatid.net software doesn't support it (or at least not without a lot of artificial trading of draft picks). However, this is likely to be an option next year, and if it is, I'll probably propose it for baseball.
Food for thought.
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| 49 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 12:55
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Guru's historical post is what is driving me nuts. I had already gone and looked back. I'll have the decision in a couple hours. I need to climb the mountain and meditate.
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| 50 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 18:24
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Think long....think wrong.
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| 51 | Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 19:35
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At least we know you're not obsessive.
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| 52 | Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 20:04
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#48
This modified snake does seem, on its face, infinitely more fair- except of course for round 15. ;-) Seem may be the key word as you mentioned based on your sample. Still, I'm jazzed about the #2 pick since looking back on my last four years of RIHC and QLs I believe I've picked #8, #11, #11, and finally last year I shot up to #6. Come to think of it, however, my two (QL) wins came from the drafts with picks 8 and 6. Hmmmm. Is it too late to switch to #6?!! Just trying to help a brother out, Mike D.
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| 53 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 21:31
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Sorry for the delay. I was going back, forth, and back again about a few things. Which makes it look kinda silly that I'm taking pick 3 after all this. But I can handle the ridicule as long as I still get to pick third.
1 Holt
2 Pacers Rule
3 Mike D
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5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12 s R
5 EuroGollum
6 KnicksFan
7 Florian
8 Weykool
9 deejay
10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species
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| 54 | holt
ID: 29862517
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 22:25
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Has there ever been a snake vs modified snake test done where a league drafts players based on a completed season? What I mean is, doing a snake draft of 2007 players, then a modified snake. Just have each team draft one player for each position, then add the 2007 stats and see where each draft position finishes. This would allow you to judge draft positions based on league results while eliminating other factors such as the drafters only guessing at player values, roster moves, strategic starting/benching, etc.
How difficult would it be to set up a draft program to run a test like that? Such a program could apply it to different sports/seasons and have a large sample to look at.
One thing that makes me wonder about the modified snake draft is that it is based on the idea that the top 3 players or so are a great deal more talented than the other first rounders. Is it still more fair than a normal snake when the top few players aren't much better than the rest of the 1st rounders (does that ever happen)? I have no idea. Just some questions that come to mind.
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| 55 | weykool
ID: 4694122
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 23:10
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But I can handle the ridicule as long as I still get to pick third.
And that is why I advised you in post #44 to use Florian's RNG....with four 3's your odds of getting the pick you ended up with would have been almost assured.
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| 56 | holt
ID: 29862517
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 23:29
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LOL
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| 57 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 00:59
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weykool, it was so compelling of a suggestion that I just had to go for it.
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| 58 | Swish City
Dude
ID: 0931275
Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 04:56
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I'll need some thinking time as well. Now the top 3 slots are gone, it's really tough to decide where to pick.
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| 59 | Swish City
Dude
ID: 0931275
Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 11:17
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After much deliberating, i can't see an overwhelmingly compelling reason to not take #4. So, i'll be boring, and do exactly that. Next...
1 Holt
2 Pacers Rule
3 Mike D
4 EuroGollum
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12 s R
6 KnicksFan
7 Florian
8 Weykool
9 deejay
10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species
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| 60 | KnicksFan
ID: 188563018
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 00:52
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1 Holt
2 Pacers Rule
3 Mike D
4 EuroGollum
5 KnicksFan
6
7
8
9
10
11
12 s R
7 Florian
8 Weykool
9 deejay
10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species
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| 61 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 09:40
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Per email instructions from Florian and weykool:
1 Holt
2 Pacers Rule
3 Mike D
4 EuroGollum
5 KnicksFan
6 Florian
7 weykool
8
9
10
11
12 s R
9 deejay
10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species
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| 62 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 09:56
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Here, will pick soon
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| 63 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 10:06
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1 Holt
2 Pacers Rule
3 Mike D
4 EuroGollum
5 KnicksFan
6 Florian
7 weykool
8 deejay
9
10
11
12 s R
10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species
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| 64 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 10:34
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1 Holt
2 Pacers Rule
3 Mike D
4 EuroGollum
5 KnicksFan
6 Florian
7 weykool
8 deejay
9 Guru
10
11
12 s R
11 Footwedge
12 Species
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| 65 | E'ville
ID: 154442214
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 11:02
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1 Holt
2 Pacers Rule
3 Mike D
4 EuroGollum
5 KnicksFan
6 Florian
7 weykool
8 deejay
9 Guru
10 Footwedge
11 Species
12 s R
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| 66 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 12:09
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I'm planning to start the draft on October 15th. Based on past performance, I'd expect us to finish on Oct. 23rd.
Does that time frame work for everyone? The season begins on Oct 28, which provides ample leeway.
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| 67 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 12:10
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Yes....although of course my annual college football homecoming guy's weekend of golf/poker/football/etc is the weekend of the 18th. Doh!
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| 68 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 12:14
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It encourages me to know that some of those weekend picks will likely be made while you're drunk and on tilt.
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| 69 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 12:22
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That works for me.
Friday/Saturday nights(Europe) are the nights Im not around that much, but Ive always managed in the past.
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| 70 | Florian
ID: 272433110
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 17:08
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Starting draft on Oct.15th works for me as well.
While I prefer the current snake draft, the modified snake draft does have some appeal. If we were using a modified snake draft, I would have likely chosen to pick 7th or 8th rather than sixth.
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| 71 | E'ville
ID: 154442214
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 17:08
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Sounds good. I'm just excited not to be picking 11th or 12th for a change. At 10th I get one more option. Yessssss.
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| 72 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 17:54
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Sounds good to me. I'll pick anywhere, anytime. ;)
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| 73 | Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 22:21
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Should work for me. I might be a little squeezed at the end but I can leave queues if need be.
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| 74 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 22:44
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Guru 68: nah! Same weekend happened in the midst of the RIHC draft last year! Some of my best picks, too!!
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| 75 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 23:29
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That's when you're at your best.
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| 76 | Swish City
Dude
ID: 0931275
Sat, Oct 04, 2008, 09:01
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The weekend of 18th-19th October is very difficult for me, but hopefully should be able to work around it, being in Europe.
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| 77 | Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sun, Oct 05, 2008, 17:07
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email addy update. It wouldn't hurt to put RIHC in the title of your email. I'll make sure the email addy saved in yahoo lines up. You can use my (other) shared family email address, but your note will be a little more likely to be lost in the sea of spam filtered junk mail.
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| 78 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 15:46
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I put together a text file of all Yahoo-listed players, along with their Yahoo positions.
http://rotoguru1.com/hoop/Yahoo_pos.prn
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| 79 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 10:41
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The draft will start on Wednesday with a 6 hour clock. The draft clock will continue through weekends. There will be a clock moratorium each night from 1am until 7am Eastern time. Picks can continue to be made during the moratorium period, but the clock will be paused. Those picking at the endpoints do not get a double clock. In addition, if anyone is already in arrears for a pick when their next pick is due, they do not necessarily get a second clock period. This will be subject to Commissioner discretion.
I will plan to activate the draft on Tuesday evening. Although the draft does not officially begin until Wednesday, the early activation will allow anyone a chance to set a queue in advance, if desired.
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| 80 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 12:19
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Sounds great. Looking forward to it. Should be a fun draft this year with many wildcards.
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| 81 | Swish City
Dude
ID: 0931275
Tue, Oct 14x, 2008, 08:02
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Guru, this weekend is going to be very, very difficult for me. The roster freeze times are 6am - 12pm here in the UK, and that combined with the 6 hour slots is going to make things very awkward for me.
There is a chance i might have zero internet access from Friday 7pm GMT until Sunday 10pm GMT. I don't really want to be leaving gargantuan queues for my crucial middle round picks.
Is there any way we can extend the clock to 8 hours, even if it's just during this weekend? That would make a huge difference to me.
Sorry for causing inconvenience - i know i picked the wrong weekend to be out of town :P Everything should be fine again when i get back on Sunday night.
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| 82 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 14x, 2008, 10:06
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Swish - I will extend the clock to 8 hours for you this weekend if it looks like you may need it.
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| 83 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Oct 14x, 2008, 10:46
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I should have no problem being around, if needed Ill leave a queue, allthough my PC crashed and am working(struggling, better said) on my GF's Mac right now, and I lost my pre-rankings which pisses me off.
Good thing I had a small ranking saved on yahoo.
Hope to have another PC soon. Timing really sucks.
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| 84 | KnicksFan
Sustainer
ID: 030815418
Tue, Oct 14x, 2008, 13:39
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Pre-rankings? Draft prep? You gotta draft on pure adrenaline and instinct!
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| 85 | weykool
ID: 45821208
Tue, Oct 14x, 2008, 19:23
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Pre-rankings? Draft prep? You gotta draft on pure adrenaline and instinct!
All DJ was saying was he had all his coins lined up and he was ready to draft.
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