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Subject: TSN Draft Discussion
Posted by: deejay
- Sustainer [501182710] Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 06:51
2 weeks till the season starts...
Schedules are pretty rocky this year (or is just me?), prices are ok though.
Many midpriced/cheapies to chose from.
Will Knicks players finally be an option, with D'Antoni in charge? I would think so...
Will the Suns be less interesting?
Have Barnes on my list, but is he even starting?
Will Durant step up his game?
How about the PG situation in Millwaukee...
Will Oden be overpriced?
Is Wade gonna be huge?
I havent tried to form a team yet, but it looks defenitely an interesting year :)
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| 82 | CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 09:30
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Yes I feel NOT confident in my team,,,heavy on Pho, MEM teams along with some big names that I could care less of their weak schedule I feel certain guys are MUST HAVE.
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| 83 | Florian
ID: 272433110
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 11:40
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Anyone know whether Wilson Chandler will be ready for the season opener. I really don't want to start with any injured players on my roster, but my current roster has only .05 million in cash left and there aren't many good players in that price range. I already replaced Ridnour with Delonte West. The only reports I can find on Chandler are several days old.
From Rotoworld
Wilson Chandler-F- Knicks Oct. 26 - 10:16 am et
Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni thinks forward Wilson Chandler (sprained knee) could practice Sunday and be ready for Wednesday's opener.
"He better be, yeah," D'Antoni said. "I expect him to be ready maybe [today] in practice and at least by Monday." Chandler is a fantasy sleeper with nothing but upside and should be owned in most leagues.
Source: New York Post
CBS Sportsline has him listed as questionable for the opener, but doesn't list their source.
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| 84 | deejay
ID: 229362514
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 11:42
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from Newsday:
Notes & quotes: Wilson Chandler (knee) returned to practice yesterday and is on track to play in tomorrow night's season opener against the Heat at the Garden. Said D'Antoni: "He's ready to roll."
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| 85 | Florian
ID: 272433110
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 11:49
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Thanks, Deejay.
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| 86 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 12:00
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Seen alot of talk about Calderon. I think he's gonna be a stud this year, but Toronto's schedule just isn't very good the first few weeks - alot of gaps. Anyone else seeing this?
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| 87 | Skip To My Lou
ID: 538101711
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 12:13
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Thanks for the Chandler news; I think that his inclusion settles my roster. I really like Marquis Daniels, too, but that 2 in 8 to start the season is ugly.
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| 88 | Ole
ID: 23943282
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 12:30
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86 - same thought here. sked looks rocky, so i pass at least for the start.
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| 89 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 12:33
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As many times as I've looked at Hawes, I just can't see NOT starting the season with him. I will keep a couple mil handy for the bail-out, but there's very little downside to him the first 2 weeks.
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| 90 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 12:41
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I wish the season would start already so I don't keep f'ing with my roster.
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| 91 | Ole
ID: 23943282
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 12:42
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he's on my roster too. looks like an early money train to me.
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| 92 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 13:15
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Florian: Rotowire today:
Wilson Chandler (F) NY 10/28/2008
Chandler (knee) resumed full practice on Monday and is expected to play Wednesday night when the Knicks tip off the regular season against the Heat, Newsday reports.
Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni succinctly summed it up: "He's ready to roll." Chandler will likely come off the bench, backing up Quentin Richardson at small forward, but may also play some power forward in a smaller lineup. The Knicks are looking for him to make a bigger impact on the team in his second season, and he should be an improved fantasy player.
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| 93 | Ender
ID: 5963859
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 13:15
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I scrapped my Hawes plan and went big at C. Have Brand, Amare at C. I also have Lebron at F and cheapies everywhere else except Salmons who is more midrange.
I went through several iterations last night and settled on this. We'll see what happens between now and game time...
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| 94 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 13:23
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Ender: I had Brand too, but dropped his ass. Some reason that guy always fails to produce early in seasons. New team, though, so who knows? /shrug
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| 95 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 13:24
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#93
I also went 3 studs, though. I feel the cheapies this year are good enough.
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| 96 | Ender
ID: 5963859
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 13:36
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Yeah, I went back and forth and honestly am not completely sold, but if he puts up '06 numbers then he's worth it. IIRC their schedule dries up in about a week and a half so he won't be long term anyway.
I went back to Hawes and bumped Brand to F. Now I have see if I'd rather have a different stud F. It's a sickness. I wish I could just leave it alone and wait for tipoff.
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| 97 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 13:46
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#96 Yeah, it's best not to touch your team within the last ~12 hours (baring injuries).
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| 98 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 14:12
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From Roto:
Charlie Villanueva might come off the bench on Tuesday as Scott Skiles is considering starting Luc Richard Mbah a Moute at power forward tonight.
Ugh
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| 99 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 15:08
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I wish the games would start already. I NEED TO STOP LOOKING AT MY ROSTER. ;)
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| 100 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 15:16
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LOL...
I messed around with my team quite a bit last night and (barring a miraculous recovery by Ridnour) I'm pretty happy with it. As it turns out, I'm not running any top echelon-priced players, but I have a solid group of upper-mid level priced players with some solid cheaper players.
Feeling good... so far...
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| 101 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 15:28
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BTW, Skip, Mark L and Ender,
I'm open to getting together whenever we can schedule it. I'll need a fair amount of advance notice, and proximity to the holidays would be an issue... otherwise, I'm good to go!
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| 102 | Blooki
ID: 109302721
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 16:08
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Alright, buying players and heading out for the day.
Going with 3 studs, 3 mid-rangers and 4 cheapies.
Good luck to everyone!
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| 103 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 17:51
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Another option at Guard: Sefolosha for CHI. Looking better by the minute...
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| 104 | Senator Urine
ID: 106171416
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 18:25
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Any of you Cleveland people have any idea on Delonte West this season? One minute I'm thinking he's going to be a monster, the next that he'll do nothing.
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| 105 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 18:26
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I've switched D. West in/out of my lineup and I'm at a loss. The more I read, the more I might shy away from him because of the bench and front court filling up the stat line.
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| 106 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 18:30
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Also can't decide between Gooden or Villanueva. That MIL situation seems like a real mess. Too many questions marks???
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| 107 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 18:31
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re: 104
I slotted West last night. Was it wildly smart? No idea, but FWIW I'm not changing it now. I'm not a Clevelander, btw.
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| 108 | Senator Urine
ID: 106171416
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 18:35
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And of course West plays before Ridnour. Ugh.
I'm getting very tempted to skip both of them and gamble on Wilson Chandler, but I could be insane.
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| 109 | Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 18:54
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Wonder if TSN will get it together tomorrow on lock time for the Philly game
It's been moved up an hour to 6 P.M. to make it easier for Philly fans with the conclusion of Game 5 of the world series moved to tomorrow night
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| 110 | deejay
ID: 229362514
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 09:18
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1811 teams, ouch.
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| 111 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 09:44
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let's enjoy what is conceivably the last year of tsn ultimate hoops
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| 112 | Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 10:25
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SU, West is a decent player on a team with 10 decent players. The Cavs are too deep to have any players consistently contribute besides Lebron. On any night Delonte, Wally, Boobie, Z, Varejao, or Pavlovic could go off or completely disappear.
Mo Williams may eventually be an option too if he can settle into his role and average 8-10 assists.
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| 113 | Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 11:27
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1811 teams
less than 200 leagues
and a top 25 finisher in every one
nobody can come in and win a league prize
the elite that love this game so much have killed it off
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| 114 | Donkey Hunter
Leader
ID: 916288962
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 11:48
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Maybe far less than 200 leagues. If you check the to pleagues standings there are only 83 leagues listed in the top 100.
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| 115 | Blooki
ID: 119492312
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 14:11
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So I've been poking around some of the rosters of top managers in my leagues and I found it curious that many of you chose not to draft Dwyane Wade.
Meanwhile, Senator Urine and I were hellbent on locking him onto our draft rosters no matter how much his $10.25mil salary limited us elsewhere.
Now that all of our rosters are locked and loaded, I'd be curious as to hear what the community has to say about him. Did SU and I simply overvalue him? Was it injury-risk, schedule, etc. that caused you to look elsewhere? Are all of the Wade owners just not in my leagues? Was he a bubble-guy and just missed the cut?
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| 116 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 14:18
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I tried to get Wade in there, but I'd rather wait for his schedule to pick up. He's poised for a huge year in my opinion.
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| 117 | dpr
ID: 13443116
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 14:39
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For wade it probably comes down to whether you have confidence for him to return to his 45+ TSNP from 2 seasons ago.
Assuming you get him the sell date is likely 12/2. In this span he has 17 games as well as many others. Some teams have 18 and some have 19(sac). so while none of the sac guys are likely to outpoint him what about boozer(who also starts a 4in5 on wades sell date) in 18 games? Amare in 17 with 12/2 not being the ideal sell date? While he was probably comparable to these guys depending on if he is 2006 form or 2007 I chose to go with these guys because of their cheaper prices
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| 118 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 14:43
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I went with Boozer to start.
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| 119 | Skip To My Lou
ID: 538101711
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 14:48
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I have Wade, LeBron and Amare. I think Wade -- especially early in the season before either (a) the bumps and bruises, or (b) the disillusionment over how bad his team may be gets him down -- is a must own.
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| 120 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 14:55
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It's been so long since I've had a team in TSN Ultimate, but is it better to try and have 3 studs on day-1 and fill in with lower priced guys all around? Or, are there many schools of thoughts from the experts?
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| 121 | Blooki
ID: 119492312
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 15:17
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Re: 120
I think the answer to that depends heavily on initial pricing and if you constrain yourself to a hard fast rule for initial stud count you're hurting yourself.
In my opinion, the only rule of thumb is to draft 10 value players.
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| 122 | G
ID: 369542914
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 17:03
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Blooki,
For my last stud spot(Lebron and Boozer took the top 2) I passed on Wade in favor Howard for several reasons. Here they are:
1) I had no problem filling 4 guard spots with cheap options I thought could get 20+ avg. I didn't feel as comfortable with the cheap F and C spots.
2) Since I wasn't comfortable with my cheap C's I wanted Howard to hold one of those spots or in some cases have the flexibility to move him to the C spot from F.
3) I think Wade will be sold on 11/2 as people try to get on trains and can't stand the 3 days off Wade has.
4) If I was wrong on any of this, Howard can become Wade next Wednesday. Yes it cost me a trade to do that but I got 4 Howard games to 3 Wade games which should be ok for 1 trade.
G
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| 123 | Senator Urine
ID: 106171416
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 17:27
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For my studs I ended up going Wade, Howard, and Amare. I think this gave me the most flexibility, plus in general I like taking expensive players who start off the season with a spotty schedule (the three days off in a row is probably my favorite). Amare is an exception to this obviously, but those two days off followed by a 4 in 5 (combined with his center eligibility and ability to dominate) could lead to some big gains. It also gave me a chance to wait on Boozer, who consistently sucked after mid-December last year. It's still before mid-December though, so hopefully I don't regret it.
Wade I think is going to be on a whole other level. He's good.
I was seriously considering a four stud lineup last night (Wade, Howard, Amare, and Boozer) but then the Tyrus Thomas news broke and I didn't want to be the guy without him if he went off.
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| 124 | G
ID: 369542914
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 17:46
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SU
I see you opted not to take Lebron who in the past has been a "must" have. Him going for "only" 41 wasn't great but he does get 4 games to only 3 of Wade and in theory should be able match Wade in average.
If I opt to keep Howard, I can always go Lebron --> Wade next Wed and I still get an extra game for 1 trade. Either way I anticipate that if I were to buy Wade after his 3 days off, it will be at a price below is starting level because of the hit he takes on 11/2 and perhaps 11/3 for the lemmings. Of course 3 big games by Wade could minimize that.
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| 125 | Blooki
ID: 119492312
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 18:12
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G,
It seems picking up extra stud games is factoring into your thinking quite a bit here. To be honest, I do/did the same thing. Over the seasons though, I believe I've learned the error of my ways especially when it comes to drafting and early season considerations. Taking mostly from the inadvertent teachings of Guru (a post he wrote years ago stating that he preferred not to draft any players that he planned to trade in the first 2 weeks stands out in my mind), I've realized how important early season flexibility is for trade management and FV appreciation. The reason being that there are just so many unknowns at this point and it will stay that way likely for the first 6-10 weeks of the season. Extra trades and higher FV allow you to get to your known quantities much more efficiently, effectively and, most importantly, earlier.
While I can't quantify the wisdom of this in any way, I will say that I used to be the type that would never draft Carlos Boozer because many other similarly priced studs could get +2 games on him and when else in the season are you going to be able to get 80 TSNP for 1 trade. This season, I am a proud Boozer drafter. Results be damned, I stand by this choice.
In any case, best of luck to you and thanks to everyone for sharing their myriad of thoughts and opinions. I love learning from all the different successful managing styles there are out there and I always find the draft to produce the widest range of schools of thought.
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| 126 | G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 18:42
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I wouldn't quite say picking up extra stud games was the deciding factor since I too am a Boozer owner on all 5 of my teams. However, this year the schedule just happens to favor two of the best players in TSN - Lebron and Howard.
I certainly don't "have" to trade either one of them in the first two weeks. However, if for some reason I see someone else I want, like Wade or Amare (who both made my final list) I have ways to get those guys. I certainly don't see holding Lebron or Howard as a doomsday situation if they are hitting for their averages early.
It is the wisdom you shared above that caused me to avoid taking Wade and Amare. With Wade, if he as a sub-par game on 11/1, being a trade-a-holic I would feel forced to trade on 11/2 to avoid big hits. With Amare, he has a pinkie issue and a new coach with a new style. Plus he didn't play much in preseason.
So not only do I consider Lebron to be better than Wade and Howard to be better than Amare, I also thought they were safer choices and gave me the most flexibility. The extra games were just a bonus.
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| 127 | CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 19:16
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Okay...I went with players from strong two week schedules. Pho, Mem, and then just players I felt were must have James. So far this is NOT played to well but only one James game on night one is hardly a test of the route I chose. I have many Mem players..others were UTH and SAC with Price and Hawes due to needing 500K guys that I can NOT lose cash on. I hope for the best as I am not confident....but then again when confident I am not exactly getting great results.
Thoughts?
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| 128 | G
ID: 369542914
Fri, Oct 31, 2008, 13:44
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Blooki,
I know it is early and this is not meant to be smart in anyway, but I am curious about your take on Amare at this point. Is he living up to your expectations?
To be honest, he is exactly where I thought he might be. He is coming in right around 37-38 pts which is a few points less than last year. Is this a result of a different offensive style from a new coach? Is this a result of a very crowded team? A combination of both? Or just 2 games only slightly below average and he will get back to 40+?
None of us know but at this point I don't see him as a must add to my team if Howard continues to play well and besides Amare is already owned by 45% of the teams so i don't think i want to jump into a high ownership situation when I already have 5 of those guys on my team and rising.
G
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| 130 | Blooki
ID: 119492312
Fri, Oct 31, 2008, 14:23
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I expected more, but I can't say I'm displeased with Amare. I'd be displeased with Kevin Durant who popped on and off some iterations of my draft roster.
I believe it was reasonable to assume that Amare would approach 40-45 TSNP/g. Many pundits were right in noting that Amare experienced an increase in minutes once Shaq arrived because he was managed to stay out of foul trouble. That was the main reason he enticed me because he has always had a great TSNP/min ratio and he's still maturing.
That being said, having watched a fair amount of both Suns games I'm not overly concerned (yet). If I had to try to explain things, I'd attribute to his failure to breakout in two games (which I hope supporters and naysayers alike would agree is a terribly small sample size) to (a) both teams they played against were top flight teams in TSNP allowed last season (b) Phoenix is struggling (especially in last night's game) to find a good rhythm in their offense.
I'm glad to see Amare's minutes way up because I still believe that's what kept him from becoming a super-stud in previous years and think that that fact alone gives plenty of reason for optimism.
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| 131 | Blooki
ID: 119492312
Fri, Oct 31, 2008, 14:32
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Also G,
I think your roster is a fine roster and I believe we would've converged more if not for the fact that I developed a large man-crush on Kevin Martin (who I hope doesn't go 5-19 on a regular basis) during the draft process due to his sans Artest splits from last season. Due to his relatively high price I went with three value studs (Wade, Amare, Boozer) all of whom, had I not drafted Kevin Martin, I might've still gone with even without cap considerations.
All in all, results-oriented thinking and regret aside, I'm happy with my draft. As I was telling deejay yesterday, when your biggest problems after day 3 are a struggling Ridnour that will probably turn it around (unless the injury is more serious than you thought) and lacking playing time CJ Miles (but how big of a problem can a 500K player be), you're in pretty good shape.
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| 132 | G
ID: 369542914
Fri, Oct 31, 2008, 16:49
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Blooki,
As we know, there are many roads to the promise land in this game. Thanks for your thoughts. I just found your question about Wade interesting and worth responding too. I always enjoy back and forth on how people choose their players and their line-ups.
I too believe Ridnour will be just fine as will Miles. Especially when the UT schedule heats up next week and people are scrambling to fit in all the studs they can with good schedules or shortly after that when all these trains start to be sold because of schedule blips and high ownership. A G/F at .500 may be invaluable at that time, even if he is only getting 15 pts a game.
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