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Subject: Gurupie 20 2010-2011 Preseason Discussion
Posted by: Species
- [10949615] Wed, Oct 06, 2010, 16:49
Greetings all.
The G20 hoops season needs to get underway. I forgot that Ref was out and I was in as Commish, so I need to get my ass moving.
First order of business: ROLL CALL We already have one confirmed departure this year in Slackjawed Yokel. If all managers would please be so kind as to confirm your participation in this season, I would appreciate it.
More to come soon.
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| 136 | Species
ID: 579301322
Mon, Oct 18, 2010, 23:50
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Thanks.
Don't forget to mark your keepers on ESPN
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| 137 | Meatwads
ID: 39581722
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 00:04
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2010-11 UPDATED KEEPERS - Mighty Meatwads
G Rajon Rondo
F LaMarcus Aldridge
G OJ Mayo
G Ray Allen
F Kevin Garnett
G Marcus Thornton
AVAILABLE FOR LAST MINUTE TRADE
(Will move any of these players for an upgraded draft pick this year or next year)
G Mike Conley
G Leandro Barbosa
F/G Josh Howard
C Shaquille O'neal
C/F DeJuan Blair
G DeMar DeRozen
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| 138 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 00:12
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There is a separate thread for your keepers.
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| 139 | Meatwads
ID: 39581722
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 00:20
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I was just updating anyone who cares of my current roster. I've seen a handful of people doing it earlier in this thread so my mistake. Do I actually need to announce my keepers on the other thread or can i just do it at ESPN? If I need to post on the other thread I need someone to tell me how to get there.
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| 140 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 00:25
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Looks good here...now i just need to get off my ass and make some trades.
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| 141 | Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 03:39
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If anyone wants a PG, I'm not keeping Augustin. Would just need a small pick upgrade - such as a third for a fourth or a 4th for a sixth. Not an uberstud by any means but Livingston is injured again.
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| 142 | coldwater coyotes
ID: 429858
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 06:05
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ALERT
Either Robin Lopez or Trevor Ariza are available for a late first round or early second round pick
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| 143 | youngroman
Donor
ID: 02934823
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 11:08
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I just want to let you know that I will be out of town for the next 48 hours. I should have internet access during my working hours (3am - 11am ET). depending on where we are in the draft I may need to leave long queues. we will see tomorrow.
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| 144 | Meatwads
ID: 48961913
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 14:06
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Can someone help with something? I'm hearing that the trade deadline has already passed even though keepers aren't due for 3 hours. I tried sending a trade offer on ESPN a couple minutes ago and it went through. Can someone confirm or deny that that the deadline to deal is gone? If it is over, where do I find the information that says this. Help!!
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| 145 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 14:18
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Posting this for Species, from an email:
I can't post from work and don't want to type all of this in my phone. If someone could post the text below into a post in our discussion thread, I'd appreciate it.
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I received a request prior to the Noon deadline wondering if we could extend the deadling to 5:00pm, as it states on the ESPN site. That manager was confused by the conflicting information and is still seeking to complete a trade.
I never set the 5:00 deadline on ESPN to be honest.......and once I set the Noon deadline in this thread I tried to find a place to change the deadline on ESPN to avoid this kind of confusion but failed to find the place to change it.
I came up with the Noon deadline out of thin air.....there was no rhyme or reason to it outside of creating a sense of urgency due to my tardiness in getting this league going (and I hope everyone will accept my apologies for that).
I am indifferent towards this request and would like to hear from any of you who have an opinion. On one hand, perhaps managers cut deals late last night because they knew they only had until Noon today....so instead of holding out for one deal, they cut the best deal they could last night so they made sure to get something done.
On the other hand, the conflicting information could have confused some managers who thought they had more time.....and I can easily understand this.
That said, typically the deadlines posted in this thread take precedent. Thus, barring several opinions that say "Yeah, why not? Let 'em trade....no biggie", my initial judgment would be to say "Sorry man.....we have to have a deadline somewhere".....even though personally I have no objection......it's just that my opinion is not strong enough to consider a dictator-like edict like I did in giving Dave R first choice of teams.
Please post your thoughts ASAP.
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| 146 | Great One
ID: 2751238
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 14:37
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Full disclosure, I wrote back to Meatwads agreeing to a deal and sending it over to him this morning. He wrote back after noon stating he was under the impression based on the ESPN site that he had til 5 PM to accept so by the time he checked in I had to withdraw and let him know it was too late.
Because I was waiting on him I passed on a few other offers to get a legit 6th keeper so now I'm kind of screwed keeping an injured guy and he missed out on a draft pick trade he had planned. So obviously we'd both like to get the deal done still.
I emailed Tosh and Species this morning letting them know I couldn't find him but we had agreed in principle but was searching for him to confirm on the ESPN site. Got tied up at work and didn't realize the deadline passed til i saw his respone too late.
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| 147 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 14:39
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FYI - On Sunday, I changed the deadline at the ESPN site to 5pm today, even though I knew that our Keeper Thread said Noon.
I did it this way, because we really have no idea what happens at ESPN when that deadline hits ... do the keepers auto-process or not?
And what happens if a manager(s) have not set keepers at ESPN as requested? Do they all just disappear?
I'd prefer to just stick with the Noon deadline as stated in the Keeper thread ... and wait two more hours to see what happens at ESPN.
Which certainly means that everyone needs to select their keepers at ESPN post-haste. (There are still three teams that have not selected their keepers.)
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| 148 | Meatwads
ID: 48961913
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 14:41
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I have been trying to follow this league as closely as possible and I missed where it said 12:00 PM ET deadline. I've since found it, but I can clearly see how people (especially new) could be confused. I started talking a bunch of trades yesterday, but not because I thought the deadline was approaching. In my mind I was giving myself a day to make deals, and half a day to finish any deals that couldn't get finalized last night. I'm still trying to get everything figured out and the noon ET deadline was something that slipped through the cracks for me. As a new member I'd request that we get an extension to complete the trade we have on the table. I understand if this request isn't acceptable but I hope someone understands how difficult it is to join a league right before it starts and know everything, without hands on help from a veteran. I'd appreciate someone in power giving my request a thought. Thanks.
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| 149 | Mike D
ID: 5937410
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 15:16
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I just saw a juicy trade offer that was sent to me this morning and I had missed so it would be nice. But for years it has been noon I believe so I can understand. Must have some cutoff time.
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| 150 | Frick
ID: 42825248
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 15:16
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I have no problems with the trade going through. I might feel a bit different if it was two long time managers, but that isn't the case.
In the future, it doesn't hurt to post the trade in a thread to show that it was agreed to in principle prior to the deadline, by either party. Plus ESPN doesn't seem to include the draft picks in the automated e-mail so while I've seen some trades that look odd, I've assumed that there are draft picks are involved.
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| 151 | Great One
ID: 2751238
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 15:22
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Lets just move on, its fine. I don't feel like re-doing my keepers or going back on ESPN. I don't like the karma of having to get special treatment or opening a can of worms. Its just my bad luck that the deadline Meatwads saw was on ESPN and it happened to be different and he didn't know otherwise.
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| 152 | Great One
ID: 2751238
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 15:24
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And yeah Frick, I should have posted and regret not putting it out there. I don't know why i didn't. I did take a screenshot of the offer pending with an this mornings timestamp before I cancelled it this afternoon.
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| 153 | Meatwads
ID: 469291914
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 15:30
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We should all know there are certain disadvantages to coming in as a new player. One of them is that nobody is in a big hurry to catch you up to speed, because they're your competition. I was never told that this thread overpowered anything on our league page. I was under the impression this is a place to discuss potential keepers and figure out who's in the league, things like that. I don't think a one line sentence randomly thrown in amongst hundreds of comments is good enough. As a new player, how am I even supposed to know who is in charge and who's posts have real meaning when I'm under the impression this thread is nothing more than a discussion site? People in this league need to be very well informed of CRITICAL deadlines, and this thread doesn't do that. As a new manager, if nobody tells me directly that there is a big deadline I'm probably going to miss it, even though I'm putting in hours a day trying to compete with everyone and learn rules. I'm not the type of person that's looking for handouts or trying to take advantage of the system. I'm just a new member who clearly sees something is wrong with the way things are done in my opinion. Two managers (at least) are going to have worse teams because of this. Had I been correctly informed the trade between myself and GO would have been completed well before the quietly imposed deadline. I wouldn't have stayed up late talking deals, only to wake up and find that I should have been up at 6 AM PT working on finalizing. I'm asking for you guys to reconsider. I do not think it's in good taste to upset multiple managers over a technicality. None of this may change the ruling but maybe it will get some people to reconsider how things are done.
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| 154 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 15:38
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Hey crap...i read "12:00" and thought midnight...sorry man, just getting back from being out and about. Will post mine shortly.
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| 155 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 15:43
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And I will say, I was still trying to make trades this morning...hell, I'm still trying!
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| 157 | Mike D
ID: 2293167
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 17:34
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I would have accepted your offer had I seen it RSF!
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| 158 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 544201619
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 17:36
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Even including your next 8 #1 draft picks...sweeeeeeet!
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| 159 | jseth333
Dude
ID: 24100310
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 21:06
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I missed marking my keepers at espn if I could get some help from the commish...
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| 160 | Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 21:24
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This is only my third year in this one but I feel like we have some pretty reliable good-faith type managers in this league....and if things went down like GO and Meatwads said they did, I think the fairest/best solution is to allow the trade. I feel like we can trust each other in this group. Hopefully our new players will soon learn what a great league this is and we'll help them to feel welcome as well.
I agree also with what Frick said, and in a perfect world, GO should have known to post the trade in this thread if it was finalized, separate from the ESPN trade mechanics, though of course Meatwads would have no way to have known that. Having said that, however, this year has felt much more helter skelter than in past years and I think it has led to some obvious confusion and some rushed situations with last minute team acquisitions....with new managers having no way to fully understand or comply with letter of the law situations that are based on league history which they don't have. Even returning guys like me can't recall some league specifics, and we really didn't have our usual "here's how we do things" exhaustive starter posts which leagues on these forums have historically done such a good job with. Of course, I don't know how clear my glasses are b/c I'm freaked out that the draft is starting and I'm completely unprepared and I just found out last night that it was starting tomorrow morning.
So....If it's still a discussible issue, I 'vote' for putting that trade through, fixing errant keeper lists and anything else to try to give everyone some grace and the benefit of the doubt as we try to make this fun for all and not too 'ouchy' in feet to the fire mode. Just my .02
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| 161 | Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 21:30
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By the way, I have to say I love the name "meatwads" ;-)
Starting to wonder about my own choice of moniker after the last few years.
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| 162 | Species
ID: 579301322
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 21:35
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PR spells it out pretty well. That's a convincing argument FOR allowing this trade. To be fair, if I allow that one, I have to allow others a chance.
Barring some vehement arguments against, I'll give it until midnight tonight to still make a trade.
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| 163 | Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 21:39
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drafting in a thread on this forum....or kafenatid...or ESPN...How much time per pick, etc? Sorry, need a refresher...
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| 164 | Meatwads
ID: 589561920
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 21:57
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Can anyone let me know when and where the draft is taking place tomorrow morning? I've heard a few different things but haven't been given a definite answer. Also any other information, such as how long between picks and if we can pre-rank players before the draft, etc. would be nice.
As far as the previous posts about "the trade", I appreciate Frick and Pacers Rule stepping up for the new guy. I agree fully with what was said by them, and not just because I'm in the middle of the discussion. According to the league rules, it's too late to make the deal. Some times doing what's right involves bending a rule. I believe this is one of those times. This situatuon can be avoided in the future, so there's no reason to think it will set some sort of rule bending spree. Thanks for letting me state my case. Good luck in the draft tomorrow.
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| 165 | Great One
ID: 367493122
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 21:58
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Last year we did Kafenatid for the first time in league history with discussion thread on the boards here. It was pretty successful I think.
Guess we need to get that set up.
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| 166 | Great One
ID: 367493122
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 22:00
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alright... here was the amazing trade, commish needs to process on ESPN on our behalf cause they are frozen now.
Trade
GO's 2.17 + CDRoberts for Meatwads 4.20 + D.Blair
GO will keep Blair instead of Okur
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| 167 | Mike D
ID: 2293167
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 22:07
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That deal throws the balance of the league off.
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| 168 | Mike D
ID: 2293167
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 22:07
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;)
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| 169 | Meatwads
ID: 589561920
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 22:08
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Confirming trade from post #166...Thanks for being fair and reasonable Species. I appreciate you giving it some thought.
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| 170 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 22:20
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All of THAT for THAT trade? ;)
Thank goodness it wasn't a blockbuster - lmao
....although I do like Blair.
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| 172 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 22:35
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Cool.......figured out how to get that trade done. Trade deadline extended.
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| 173 | slizz
ID: 30921721
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 23:00
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one more "blockbuster" possibly on the horizon. hoping to hear back and we can possibly get a deal done!
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| 174 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 23:03
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Kafenatid did work well last year - but a lot of preparatory setup is needed. I did the set up work last year, as I recall - but I would not be available to do it until Thursday (or at least, late Wednesday evening. )
We would also need to get everyone registered for the draft before any of the setup (inputting keepers and trades) can be started.
If Kafenatid is to be used, it might be better to start the draft here anyway, and then migrate to kafenatid once the setup work is done.
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| 175 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 23:06
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I have requested a Kafenatid draft. Have to wait for the setup from Kafenatid. Draft might not start at 9:00am tomorrow. Will get it up as quickly as possible.
We had a draft discussion thread last year. I have set one up for this year. Please move all draft-related discussion there.
Draft discussion thread
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| 176 | slizz
ID: 30921721
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 23:10
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no surprises who is going 1st overall...give me John Wall.
kafenatid.net is blocked at my work so I don't want to hold anything up.
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| 177 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 544201619
Wed, Oct 20, 2010, 00:01
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With 1.02, RSF picks...oh wait...NO ONE! I got JOBBED!!!!
Racking frackin...grumble grumble grumble...ping pong balls...
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| 178 | Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 20, 2010, 00:04
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Welcome back, Ref! Good to have you back.
Mike D...what, no trade offers coming my way? Should I feel slighted?
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| 179 | Mike D
ID: 2293167
Wed, Oct 20, 2010, 07:38
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Yes? ;)
Deleted the Kafenatid league info, if someone can please resend
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| 180 | Frick
ID: 42825248
Wed, Oct 20, 2010, 08:16
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I just sent it to you Mike.
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| 181 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 20, 2010, 09:16
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I think there are still two teams without keepers posted. Haven't yet figured out which two teams they are.
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| 182 | beastiemiked
ID: 10432914
Wed, Oct 20, 2010, 10:42
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I didn't get anything from kafenatid. Can someone send me it?
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| 183 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 20, 2010, 10:43
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WooHoo!
I am in a spot that has WiFi! With that being said, I still won't have much access. CJ needs some info. I have not been given the kaf info. CJ emailed me that he didn't have access to something--but a little confused as to what that was.
I had a deal on the table that a manager was going to take if his first choice wasn't available. I have no idea if that deal went down or not.
I skimmed this thread and Meatwads had a good post aboutn not being informed enough. I am not sure what that was in regards as I literally have maybe 5-10 mins of online time right now (hit me up via email to get me quicker). Species has had some family issues, but normally these leagues are chalked full of info and everyone knows what is up well in advance and if they don't--it is on them. This has been the poorest prepared league because of that. Obviously, I would help if I had the time. We must do a better job moving forward. Tosh has also been very busy. Please send an email out with updates on what is going on so I (and others) can stay up to speed.
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| 184 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Oct 20, 2010, 11:32
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Sent Kafenatid.net stuff to BMD via GMail, and to everyone via the ESPN "email league".
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| 185 | coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Wed, Oct 20, 2010, 11:58
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CUT PRICE SALE
SPECIAL
Trevor Ariza for ANY pick!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 186 | youngroman
Donor
ID: 02934823
Wed, Oct 20, 2010, 12:13
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in a few minutes I am away until tomorrow morning (3am ET). I have a late 1st round pick (1.18), so I guess I won't be up until then. If I should really be up until then expect me to make my pick around 3am.
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| 187 | Species
ID: 539462011
Wed, Oct 20, 2010, 12:51
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Please move ALL discussion to the draft discussion thread linked in post 175
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