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Posted by: RecycledSpinalFluid
- [5411522221] Wed, Oct 18, 2017, 21:53

The season is here! Good luck all. I'm aiming for that 4th place trophy!
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      Wed, Oct 18, 2017, 21:53
Stanley, thanks for the kick to the nuts. 0-13...really dude.
2 Bmd
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      Wed, Oct 18, 2017, 22:00
Darren Collison - 21 points 11 assists 2 steals. He's available for a 1st round pick.
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      Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 10:28
Nerlens Noel - 16 points, 11 boards (2 offensive), 3 blocks, 1 steal, 6-6 from the field, 4-4 from the line.

He's available for your two best players...
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      Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 10:36
Andre Roberson and Dillon Brooks? No way.
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      Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 21:55
Not a bad first week...both the Eastern and Western Conf. Player of the Week.
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      Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 12:28
While I did pickup Diallo, I certainly hope the Brow is ok. He's rippin it up and is fun to watch.
7 WG
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      Fri, Oct 27, 2017, 11:24
So, anyone want Gordon Hayward??
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      Fri, Oct 27, 2017, 12:46
Running away with the "moves" category. I love employing a new scrub everyday.
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      Fri, Oct 27, 2017, 16:28
Dayum RSF - starting a G20 thread yourself? Know your role, bro. Only the Commish does that. Penalty is vacating your 2016/2017 title!

I have interest in veteran players with low keeper value. Hit me up!!
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      Sat, Oct 28, 2017, 01:38
As "REIGNING WORLD CHAMPION" I override the commish's decision. Instead, I will forfeit my previous championship...since it was about 2 decades ago.
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      Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 00:04
Its been a few years, but welcome back John Henson. Welcome back.
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      Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 00:06
And I love the bmd - Species trade, just because it has Zipser going back to bmd for atleast the 12th time this season.
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      Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 09:27
Species sends 2018 1st round
Bmd sends 2018 4th round

Zipser is terrible but he notches a game played for me. That's all I really ask from him.

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      Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 12:40

May have a barn owned by my 4th cousins former stepmom to mortgage too........
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      Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 21:49
I am looking to trade a F for a G. I've got like 6 forwards. Doesn't need to change the world, lots of mid level guys producing pretty well actually like Ingles, Skal and Prince. Also would move Blake who has been awesome for a more top level guy.

I'm making some offers the next few hours until football is over.
17 Species
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      Mon, Nov 06, 2017, 16:15
Vampire Weekend - please hit me up. Sent some things your way to whatever email is linked to ESPN.

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      Mon, Nov 06, 2017, 22:54
Thanks for ESPN for finally updating Ben Simmons position of PG and fixing my lack of G problem. Only took 1/8th of the season. Frustrating considering he's never played an NBA game at PF and the ESPN player page even calls him a PG. I have no clue how they come up where there positions. I found some stuff on the Help page but it basically just says its open to their interpretation.
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      Wed, Nov 08, 2017, 05:54
I'd like to thank Skinnee J's for picking up Greg Monroe off free agents. I've felt trapped for the last 3 years keeping him. Unable to trade him, unable to cut him, unable to compete with him, unable to truly rebuild with him around. The last remaining piece from the days when I used to compete.

Paul Millsap on the trade block
20blue hen
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      Thu, Nov 09, 2017, 11:36
Looking to trade Conley, Wade, Gay, and Iguodala for younger players. Let me know if you see a fit.
21 WG
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      Thu, Nov 09, 2017, 23:03
Looking to trade Hayward for an uninjured player. Let me know if you see a fit.
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      Fri, Nov 10, 2017, 00:03
Looking for a healthy CP3. Let me know if you find him.
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      Thu, Nov 16, 2017, 07:27
I said it before when I didn't even consider picking him.... Lonzo jump shot is a joke and won't work in the NBA. How are you prepared your entire life practicing to be in the NBA and your shot looks like my 4 year old pushing a kickball at a regulation rim? Nobody ever fixed it?!

Nice game Ben and Embiid

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      Thu, Nov 16, 2017, 11:14
Given his brother's propensity, I should have far more steals from Lonzo.
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      Thu, Nov 16, 2017, 18:42
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      Fri, Nov 17, 2017, 01:11
Cliff Paul is going to be scary when he gets more court time with the Rockets. There were an easy 3-5 more dimes he could have had where you could tell guys are not used to each other yet.
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      Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 11:13
Here's a general example of the type of trade talks I've had over the last 3 seasons...

Me : My best player if available

You : I'm interested. What do you want?

Me : Looking for a young player with upside that fits well with the rest of my core.

You : (Silence) I'll offer you my 11th best player and a meaningless draft pick.

Me : I'm good. I thought you were actually interested in making a trade. The reality is you're interested in taking advantage of me, and when it doesn't work, you just move on.

You : (Pretend you didn't get the email)
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      Sun, Nov 19, 2017, 15:56
Man I haven't even got step four done yet...or did I just jump to step six?
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      Sun, Nov 19, 2017, 23:23
I usually get stuck at step 1 when I tell them Paul Zipser is available.
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      Tue, Nov 21, 2017, 10:27
RSF - Haha! No, you didn't jump to step six. I figured after reaching step three you already had enough. It's hard to make a deal with you because your players are either too good or not good enough.

bmd - At this point, Paul Zipser is more appealing than Paul Millsap. I guess he'll have to average a triple-double before the league values him properly, Zipser that is.

My little example of trade talks was mostly out of frustration, although extremely accurate. After years of rebuilding (horribly I might add), I'm still years away from even being in the top 10. It might just be time to stop projecting who could become good, since I'm obviously terrible at it, and start playing this league like a one-year each season. At least then I'd have an opportunity to get in the money, as oppose to unloading my non-existent bank account to the same 3-4 managers for the next decade.

Ultimately I just want to encourage people to bring back trading in this league. G20 Baseball is so much more involved. It kinda just seems like everyone is going through the motions of setting lineups and finishing wherever they finish. The typical trade in this league is an older keeper from a rebuilding team for a draft pick. That's never going to change the power in this league, it's just too insignificant. Anyway, good luck to everyone. I'll be waiting on Bol Bol in 2019. Yes, that's a real person.
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      Tue, Nov 21, 2017, 12:01
30: I put a lot of that on me. I just do not push this league as I do baseball.
32blue hen
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      Tue, Nov 21, 2017, 14:20
In that vein, the Itinerant Wanderers are looking to get some youth in exchange for our older players. Rudy Gay, Dwyane Wade, Andre Iguodala and even Mike Conley have no business on the roster of a seriously rebuilding team. So let's get those offers in!
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      Tue, Nov 21, 2017, 20:01
I think trying to compare g20 hoops to g20 baseball is not an accurate comparison. Less positions, less players, less number of supplemental draft picks, no prospects/prospect picks. All of that is going to lead to less trading opportunities and makes it a different animal. With that said, I'm wondering what step I've made it to with meatwads. Lol
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      Tue, Nov 21, 2017, 23:22
I think young player with upside that you are looking for doesn't usually exist. If they have high upside they are probably already producing. If they are already producing they aren't that much of a downgrade from Millsap. Since they aren't that much of a downgrade this season a contender will usually look to upgrade somewhere else rather than trade off their contributing future superstar.

This is coming from a team that held onto Kobe for too long and got NOTHING in return and ultimately has been stinky for the last 10 years(at least it seems that long).
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      Wed, Nov 22, 2017, 09:56
ttucowboy - That's a fair statement. Although, my first year in the league I talked with 12 managers in the week leading up to keepers. Maybe it was just because I was new and people were testing me out. At that point it was the most active basketball league I had ever participated in. As for what step you've made it to, I'd say 0 because we haven't talked about a trade this season. In the past, we have done the usual veteran for draft pick deal. Those types of deals have been very easy to make with you. Unfortunately those types of deals won't get me out of the basement.

bmd - Your team is filled with young players who have upside, and aren't currently producing at a high level. Jusuf Nurkic, Brandon Ingram, Marquese Chriss, Zach Lavine, Jabari Parker, Markelle Fultz and Jonathan Isaac all fit the criteria I'm talking about. Each of them has been significantly less valuable than Millsap, and each of them could be more valuable in the near future. Obviously you and I won't make a Millsap deal since you're in the same boat as me, but the type of players I'm talking about definitely exist.

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      Wed, Nov 22, 2017, 23:31
I'm selling 21 year old Skal Labassiere paired with a 1st round pick for a veteran G/F.
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      Mon, Nov 27, 2017, 18:55
Good lord, please tell me there are like 8 1st rounder for 6th rounder picks going to PD in that deal.
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      Tue, Nov 28, 2017, 01:12
Oladipo having a pretty good year (22.8 pts/game). If he's causing trouble in the locker room or demanding a trade, I could've helped ;).
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      Tue, Nov 28, 2017, 19:28
37: I do agree that this trade is difficult to understand.

I can see that Barton could be emerging into a solid young player, however some of his time is due to the injury of others, leaving his mini-breakout up for debate. But IMO there is no way that he is the equal of Oladipo.

I think Greg Monroe is an obvious misfit in today's NBA. While he can be productive in Fantasy and has a place somewhere, in the real NBA he is often a liability so IMO he is not someone to target at all in keeper leagues. He has a place on teams for sure, but his move to PHO is not some precursor to a return to 30 mpg type playing time.

Oladipo has thrived and has turned into a stud. High %s, 23 ppg, 5 boards, nearly 4 ast, 2.5 threes PLUS over a steal and block a game.

MAYBE you can suggest Barton and Monroe could equal him.......but to add Ryan Anderson (admittedly a flawed player but 3 threes and some boards with decent FG and strong FT) to it doesn't add up to me.
40Perm Dude
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      Thu, Nov 30, 2017, 10:58
Sorry I didn't see this discussion previously. I actually came by to ask a question (that I'll ask separately, below).

Essentially, I feel like I am selling Oladipo high. He's having a career year, but his stats as *so* much higher than his career averages I feel he's going to drop down to earth soon. He's been on my team since 2014 and he's been a steady source of treys, steals, and some points. But he's inflated this year, a lot, and it is time to move him.

Anderson, of course, is a three-point specialist, which I really don't need. I need the rebounding help of a Monroe (also, because Whiteside is my only Center-eligible player).

Nene is a throw-in.

Barton has some upside to him and I think he's in a system which will give him a lot of lead.

Johnson, similarly, is on a team where he's going to put up a lot of numbers going forward.
41Perm Dude
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      Thu, Nov 30, 2017, 11:03
Maybe this has been discussed before but I've never seen it.

I've been poking around about the right ratio between points and rebounds. In the past I've probably overemphasized points as the most flashy of the stats which not emphasizing rebounds enough.

Looking at some historical data, it looks as if those who finish near the top might have a ration of about 30-35% for rebounds to points, meaning that all other things being equal a guy pulling down 8-9 rebounds/game is about as valuable in the rebounding category as a guy knocking down 25 pts/game.

[putting aside associated stats--the shooter is likely to get better FT% while the rebounder is likely to get better FG%, etc]

I'm curious is other managers also find some stats to be ones they tend to value more, and if this is reflected in drafting and waiver pickups.
42Perm Dude
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      Thu, Nov 30, 2017, 11:08
I'd been thinking about the above question for some time, but it was more focused after seeing Kyle O'Quinn's stat line of last night: 4/4 from the field, 1/1 from the line with 7 rebounds an assist and a steal.

That's a stat line I'll take from a F position any day of the week, despite only getting 9 points.
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      Mon, Dec 04, 2017, 22:38
E'twaun Moore making me look like a genius. 18, 19, 27 pts in three games since i picked him up.
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      Tue, Dec 05, 2017, 17:47
7 weeks into the season ... How am I in first place?? I didn't have great keepers. I didn't get any steals in the draft. My first round pick was useless. I have three Atlanta Hawks. My players (except Love) are not playing above their heads.

Great keeper - Towns
Good keepers - DeRozan, Schroder, Love
Iffy keeper - Saric
Shouldn't have been a keeper - Aminu

1st Round pick (Lin) - Lost for season on Game 1

My starting 8 ... Using current ESPN rankings for season-to-date --
Towns - 6th
Love - 11th
DeRozan - 53rd
Schroder - 56th
Bazemore - 76th (Pick 2.11)
Saric - 85th
Green - 100th (Pick 5.11)
Randolph - 102nd (Pick 3.11)

I must be in first place just because of 'Games Played' ... Where I'm currently in 2nd. I expect that RSF, Species, TTU, and Stanforders all pass me by the end of the month.
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      Tue, Dec 05, 2017, 18:37
I get CP3 back for several games and now Steph will miss at least a couple of weeks. Whyyyyy. Grrrrrr. On a serious note, I'm surprised it's only a couple of weeks. That was a nasty ankle roll.
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      Wed, Dec 06, 2017, 18:40
Curry's ankle looked like it did a complete 90 degree angle.
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      Fri, Dec 08, 2017, 23:59
I can honestly say, I never thought I would sniff first place with my team. And, I don't even have the highest GP.

Gonna enjoy it while it lasts.
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      Sun, Dec 10, 2017, 13:13
I'm enjoying that there are so many (10+?) legitimate competitive teams playing, not just a handful.
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      Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 00:42
Some day I will have all 6 of my keepers healthy at the same time...maybe.
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      Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 22:45
3 of my 6 keepers are out(2 since the start of the season). My 3 first round picks are all out. All guys under 24. Since my team is obviously not competing it's not a bad thing. It's just not fun shuffling crappy guards just so I can meet the minimum games played. Also doesn't help that in always end up missing 1-2 starts a week because I forget to reshuffle my lineup. End rant
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      Fri, Dec 15, 2017, 09:35
Reshuffling your lineup is the definition of staying active in the league. If you are not doing it, you aren't really even playing the game.
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      Fri, Dec 15, 2017, 23:35
I've been doing it. I've missed a handful of games since I sometimes forget or incorrectly think I set my lineup and in reality I didn't. I have 30 more transactions than anyone else so I don't think you could say I'm not really playing the game.
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      Sat, Dec 16, 2017, 00:06
Sure would be nice if ESPN added the one-click "start all active players" button like Yahoo.
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      Sat, Dec 16, 2017, 01:44
CP3 is good at basketball. Get well soon Steph!

I also echo what RSF said in post 48. It's great to see so many teams competing. Should be fun the rest of the way.
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      Sat, Dec 16, 2017, 14:55
I've been from first to worst back to first. There are periods in that whole phase where I'll forget to make some moves. Shit happens.

I think the bottom five (from experience) offers another type of competition. Fantasy players have been doing "The Process" long before Sam Hinkie. I enjoyed being terrible. Dealing mediocre players for 1st rounders...hell yes. Tanking for better picks...oh...I never would do that...(no need to look back on that...) Rotating through the ass end of the player list, looking for the next guy you can flip (or keep). I remember having and holding Mirotic when he was still a year away from the league. I also remember drafting Des Mason over Dwight Howard, although I'm not sure that was a bad move, as his FT% kill most roster builds.
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      Sat, Dec 16, 2017, 21:55
GO, that feature would be so nice.
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      Tue, Dec 19, 2017, 13:14
I know I'm late to this discussion, but I want to throw in my two cents.

Perm Dude said, "Essentially, I feel like I am selling Oladipo high"

I want to make something clear. You are well within your rights to trade anyone you want. But there are 18 other managers in the league who could've matched or significantly beat the offer you accepted. Oladipo is 25 years old, entering his prime, as a former #2 overall selection who is currently among the top 10 players in the league right now. If you were selling high on him you would've gotten a much better package. YOU DIDN'T EVEN LET THE LEAGUE KNOW HE WAS AVAILABLE. It's truly mind-boggling.

As far as I'm concerned, you traded your best player for replacement level players. Now Oladipo will remain on his new roster for the next 5-7 years and you'll be left with a 6th man (Barton) and a big man (Monroe) with little to no chance of becoming significantly valuable again. I truly believe this trade takes you out of contention for the foreseeable future. For your sake, let's hope I'm as bad at breaking down trades as I am at rebuilding.
58 Species
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      Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 17:19
I need to announce that I will be stepping down as Commissioner of this league at the end of the season.

This league has not flourished as baseball has due to (in my opinion) my overall lack of leadership/pushing/prodding/etc and the league deserves better. While I enjoy G20 Hoops, I do not have the same passion for it that I do baseball, and I am done doing it half-assed.

I reached out to a few managers last year to see if any had interest in replacing me. The responses were basically a combination of "Not it!" and "Good luck". So, I have to do it the hard way and just throw it out there that I will not return to the duties, and if the league wants to continue that someone else will need to step up.

Please contact me directly to discuss. Thanks.
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      Tue, Jan 09, 2018, 22:20
Well thats no good. Not the leader I was hoping would be out of power in 2018.
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      Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 14:43
TRADE Blake Griffin + GO worst 1ST round pick to WG for Gordon Hayward. GO must keep at least that one 1st round pick so it can be conveyed at draft.
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      Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 15:05
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      Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 20:04
Iím trying to understand the pick swap. Is that his first for your worst first?
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      Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 21:19
Just my worst first rounder. I have 3 of them. And i guess for his last round pick if we want to clarify.
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      Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 21:44
OK, thanks. I was just confused, which isnít too unusual.
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