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Posted by: RecycledSpinalFluid
- [5411522221] Wed, Oct 18, 2017, 21:53

The season is here! Good luck all. I'm aiming for that 4th place trophy!
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      Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 15:44
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      Fri, Sep 14, 2018, 06:57
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      Fri, Sep 14, 2018, 13:48
Apparently Species gave me Commish privileges for the league. I have renewed the league on ESPN and you should get an invite to rejoin. Please do so quickly so we can get an idea how many new managers we need.
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      Fri, Sep 14, 2018, 13:55
There was some talk last season about a shared responsibility for this league. If you would like to help, please let me know what role you would like to have. I know Guru is the treasurer, and I believe there were a couple people who usually help with the draft. If someone ones to take ownership of rules and the constitution, that would be a big help.

All of that said, our #1 objective needs to be the roll call and replacement managers. If you know someone who hasn't chimed in here, and have access to them via other methods besides this forum and the e-mail at ESPN, please remind them to chime in for roll call.
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      Fri, Sep 14, 2018, 16:21
I will renew the draft on draftime. I can't commit to setting up keepers or handling draft snafus, though, as I'll be traveling from Oct 3-9, which is probably prime time for those activities.

106Coldwater coyotes
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      Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 01:33
107 Bean
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      Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 02:17
So far there are three managers who are leaving:

There are five others I have not heard from:
Perm Dude

If you have candidates who would be interested in this league please let us know. We have three openings at least. If you know any of the five no shows above, please inform them that we are doing a roll call.
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      Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 08:05
Im in!
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      Sun, Sep 16, 2018, 12:48
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      Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 14:16
Tentative Calendar:

SAT 29 SEP - New manager search ends
MON 01 OCT - Assign team selection order for new managers; team selection starts
FRI 05 OCT 11:59 PM Eastern - Keeper Deadline
SUN 07 OCT - Draft Turned On
MON 08 OCT 11:59 PM Eastern - Draft Clock on
TUE 16 OCT - Season Starts

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      Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 14:36
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      Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 16:19
So far there are three managers who are leaving:

There are two others I have not heard from:
Perm Dude

If you have candidates who would be interested in this league please let us know. We have three openings at least. If you know Perm Dude or KnicksFan, please inform them that we are doing a roll call.

Here are the five rosters currently available, though KnicksFan and PermDude may still be claimed:

Frank Kaminsky
Frank Ntilikina
Malik Monk
Dwight Powell
Lance Stephenson
Dwyane Wade
Caleb Swanigan
Zach Collins
Mike Conley
Rudy Gay
Dragan Bender
Justise Winslow

Pau Gasol
Russell Westbrook
Troy Daniels
Carmelo Anthony
Tobias Harris
Wilson Chandler
Darren Collison
Ryan Anderson
DeMarcus Cousins
Evan Fournier
Emmanuel Mudiay
Corey Brewer

Jusuf Nurkic
Markelle Fultz
Frank Mason III
Jabari Parker
Jonathan Isaac
Brandon Ingram
Lauri Markkanen
Montrezl Harrell
Marquese Chriss
Zach LaVine
Willy Hernangomez
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

Perm Dude
Hassan Whiteside
Austin Rivers
Joe Harris
Jerami Grant
Reggie Jackson
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Will Barton
Tyreke Evans
DeMarre Carroll
Ed Davis
Kosta Koufos
Emeka Okafor

Rajon Rondo
Wayne Ellington
Draymond Green
Robert Covington
Kyle Kuzma
Trevor Ariza
Dwight Howard
Malcolm Brogdon
Andrew Harrison
Yogi Ferrell
Kyle O'Quinn
Noah Vonleh

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      Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 16:55
Here is a list of the pick trades I could find:

Species sends his 2018 1st round
BMD sends his 2018 4th round

GO sends his worst 2018 1st round
WG sends his 2018 last pick

GO sends his 2018 1st round
Guru sends his 2018 4th round

Have I missed or misrepresented any?
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      Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 20:15
From last years preseason thread (double check'em)
bmd 2018.6th
RSF 2018.2nd
ttucowboy 2018 1st
GO 2018 6th
Meatwads 2018 6th
ttucowboy 2018 2nd
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      Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 10:10
Perm Dude checked in via e-mail last night
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      Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 10:48
I have a prospective owner who asked a good question. If we end up needing to contract, how are pick trades handled, when one of the teams is going to be dissolved?

I think we should set the order, assign the traded picks, THEN remove the teams.

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      Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 10:57
We still need to run the draft lottery, right?

Looks like the only team that failed to reach the GP minimums was blue hen, but our precedent is that if a manager leaves the league, any activity penalties (i.e., lottery seeding) are waived for the new manager.

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      Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 14:16
<118> Yes, guess now is as good a time as any to run it.

Haven't researched it, but if that is our precedent, then no penalty.
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      Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 15:45
Here's the question. Do you want the lottery run now, before new teams are assigned?

Or wait until after new managers are selected and assigned to teams? The issue is whether, when selecting a new team, a new manager will know whether the team has wona premier lottery pick, or whether the lottery is still TBD. The three teams up for replacement are currently "seeded" 1, 3, and 7 in the lottery.

There may be a precedent, but I don't know what it is.
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      Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 16:36
How bout we ask the replacement managers what they would like to do prior to finding out what order they pick teams in?

I may have two teams new owners now, anybody else got any bites?
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      Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 18:46
I have one guy I'm planning to talk to tonight, but I'm not sure if he's an ideal candidate. We should view him as more of an emergency last minute fill-in. He'll do a good job drafting and trading, but once the grind of setting lineups for months kicks in, I'm skeptical he'll stay on top of it.
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      Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 18:03
Florian has agreed to join us, though his friend has decided not to. I think most should know Florian from RIHC, and either looking forward to competing with him again, or dreading it.

In either case, welcome Florian.
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      Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 18:44
Hello everyone,

Thank you for letting me join your dynasty league :). Im looking forward to playing with you all.

I fully expect my team to be terrible to start, but will do my best to make my team competitive over the next couple of years.
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      Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 19:13
Welcome Florian. I certainly remember some good battles in RIHC several years back. Good luck with one of these franchises!
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      Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 19:26
Hello everyone,

Thank you for letting me join your dynasty league :). Im looking forward to playing with you all.

I fully expect my team to be terrible to start, but will do my best to make my team competitive over the next couple of years.
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      Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 20:55
Excited to have new (old) managers! I'd try recruiting my brother-in-law, but I like you guys more than that.
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      Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 07:28
Now that Ive committed to joining the league Im super excited to pick my team :). Im happy to pick my team sooner rather than later as the suspense is driving me crazy.

Assuming I get a choice I would prefer the draft lottery run before I pick a team as it will give me time to figure out who may be available with the draft picks the various teams may have.
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      Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 13:46
Welcome Florian, great addition.

I thought I had a 3rd 1st round pick which is why I sold off two of them. i will start the search... think I had mine, Pete and Sanforders...
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      Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 15:40
GO, here's another from preseason thread (23) you have:

Dave R's 2018.1st
GO's 2018.4th
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      Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 21:33
Sweet, thank you. I guess we should all take back a look back through and hope we catch everything.
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      Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 12:46
<122> Any luck?
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      Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 16:01
I'm back. Didn't see any messages about the league, my bad.
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      Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 21:23
OK, so, in summary, we have three open slots and only one fill. Come Saturday, if we dont have any additional managers we will go with 18 this year.

We can talk about possible re-expansion next season and how that might go, during this season.
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      Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 21:23
OK, so, in summary, we have three open slots and only one fill. Come Saturday, if we dont have any additional managers we will go with 18 this year.

We can talk about possible re-expansion next season and how that might go, during this season.
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      Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 15:27
So if we do contract 2 teams, do we run the draft lottery for all teams first and then let Florian pick which team to take before removing the other 2 from the draft?
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      Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 16:16
If we contract two teams, I suppose all players on those teams, including the six presumed keepers, are just dumped back into the draftable F/A pool? Not sure who those players are likely to be, but that probably makes for a pretty juicy first round of the draft!
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      Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 16:18
BTW - can anyone find a link to the ESPN player rater? It seems to have disappeared in the new site format.
139Dave R
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      Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 17:10
Couldn't find it myself
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      Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 18:17
<137> I guess I presumed we would simply dump all the players from the two dissolved teams into the FA pool. Frankly, I cannot imagine we would do it any other way.

Given that we haven't had any takers on the other two teams (I have tried), the first few picks could be pretty valuable.

<136> So, barring a ground swell of dissent, let's go with 1) Saturday morning, Guru rolls the lottery for us, then 2) Florian (assuming he is the only new manager we get) picks his team. Next, 3) we make the pick trades then 4) remove the other two teams from the draft. 5) A final draft order results. Guru has historically done the draft order table thing, right?

This should give us all a picture of what players are likely to be available at the top of the draft, and who has what picks. 6) Perhaps a trade flurry will occur, perhaps not.

7) I'll start a thread for keepers once we have a firm set of owners and a draft order. You will have until 5 OCT to post your keepers to that thread.

8) Meanwhile, just a heads up, Species has been trying to get help from ESPN admin, to help transfer ownership of the league to me. For keeper leagues that's not something that can be done easily on ESPN apparently. If necessary, we may have to recreate the league on ESPN. Another option is to leave him as a manager until we can get some help and just force that team to be last in every category. Stand by for further instructions on all of that.

9) As to Draft Time, Guru said he would renew the league soon. We'll let you know.

Questions? Concerns? Complaints?
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      Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 19:25
Bean - I'll take the 19th spot in this league if you can find #20.
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      Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 20:27
If Fosten is in and BB posted interest in the RIHC thread we got our 20...

Bean, can he add you as co-commish for now? And then get a co-manager for his team temporarily with the new guy? And then eventually get out entirely...
143 Bean
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      Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 20:58
<141> Fosten, we dont have to have an even number, its not head to head like football, so you are welcome to take #19, even if we dont get a #20. Anyway, if you haven't already, check <110> for the schedule; <113> for the available rosters (bluehen, species and BMD only). <86> Has last year's standings, and seems we have pick trades listed in <114>, <115> and <130>. Remember, we will have a lottery for the draft order similar to NBA. Finally, send me an e-mail so I have your contact info.

<142> GO, yeah that will work as long as Species team isnt the odd man out (i.e. nobody takes it). Although, I think we could probably do something clever to leave him on one team or another, until we get this fixed. Let me think on this a bit. If ESPN admin is able to help us out it all may be moot.
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      Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 21:00
<142> I already have co-commish but its the league history that could be lost and I wont have renewal authority next year either.
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      Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 21:14
<142> I sent BB an e-mail as he asked. Hope he decides to join us. He and I played at NBA Stock Exchange and used rotoguru's stats all the time. As a result, we both joined RIHC together the following year and miraculously both finally qualified for the top league last year.

IIRC he lives in Eastern Europe somewhere, we havent talked much since coming to Rotoguru. He only plays RIHC here at rotoguru.
147BB the Ball
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      Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 21:19
I'm in-- thanks for having me.
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      Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 21:36
I located the Constitution. Haven't had a chance to check the trades against other lists yet, but will:

I Site / Stat Source / League Fees

All game, roster and scoring rules will be governed by ESPN. There is no fee for using ESPN.

II Draft

The Supplemental Draft consists of a slow draft and held on the website. Time limits will be three hours for individual picks and 8 hours cumulative clock. You may draft until your picks run out or you have reached twelve (12) players. The clock will be stopped from 11:00 p.m. – 9 a.m. ET but picks may be made during that time. If you time out, you will be skipped and may select at any time. If you have been skipped and have not made up that pick and it becomes your turn again, you will be skipped for that pick as well. If you leave a Q and that person is available to post your pick, you will not be charged any time on your cumulative clock.

The draft order will be reverse of last year's regular season finish and it will NOT snake. Only players currently in the NBA database are eligible to be drafted. Waivers Priority will begin in the same order as the basic draft order (lottery excluded). Please note: The bottom 14 teams will be in the lottery similar to the actual NBA draft. Top three picks for next year will be selected via lottery. 4th-14th picks will be selected based on inverse order of standings.

III League Settings:

Draft Type: Offline Draft and E-mail draft

Max Teams: 20

Scoring Type: Rotisserie

Max Moves: No maximum

Max Trades: No maximum

Trade Review: League Votes (7 needed to veto)

Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules

Max Games Played: 720 (enforced by position)

Roster Positions: G, G, F, F, C, Util, Util, Util, BN, BN, BN, BN

Stat Categories: FG%, FT%, 3PTM, PTS, OREB, REB, AST, ST, BLK

IV Minimum Games Played / Penalties

A team must accumulate a minimum of 656 GP (82 GP/pos) over the course of a season. For each 8 games of shortfall (1 GP/pos), a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-8 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 9-16 will receive 2 demerits, etc.

If a team finishes “in the money” for prize pool purposes (ranked 1-6), then demerits will be ignored.

For lottery teams, the following penalties will be applied to every pick in the next year’s supplement draft:

If a team accumulates more than 10 demerits, then it will be removed from the lottery and assigned the 14th pick in all rounds (i.e., behind all lottery teams, but ahead of any prize pool teams.)

For teams with less than 10 demerits, that team is pushed forward one place in the supplemental draft rankings for each demerit. For example, if a team finishes in last place (20th) and has 5 demerits, then that team will be treated in the draft rankings as though it finished in 15th place (and the teams actually finishing in places 16-20 will each move down one place.)

If more than one lottery team has a demerit, then the lottery rankings will be successively applied starting with the worst finisher and then moving up to the next worst finisher, etc.

Note: While the maximum number of games is measured on a GP/pos (enforced by the ESPN site), the minimum number of games is NOT. For minimum games, all measurements are based on total games played without regard for position.

V Trades

All trades during the season must be submitted via the website’s offer trade feature to the league for review. If there is a draft pick it needs to be posted in our thread at and needs to be confirmed by both parties. You might want to rationalize your trade as it takes just 7 members to reject the trade. You have one day to reject it so please check the site at LEAST once per day (many will have the email feature that emails all accepted trades). Remember with a Keeper league there may be draft picks involved so take the time to check those before rejecting it. Please only reject a trade based on the trade and not the teams involved. A trade by its very nature should help both teams either now, the future or both. All off-season/preseason trades will be governed by a commish.

VI Keepers

Returning owners will have a deadline to declare what players from their team they wish to “keep” Each owner may keep up to 6.

You may keep less than six. You may trade keepers after you have declared, but you may not go over six until all 20 teams have officially declared at the Keeper deadline. At that point you may go up to 12 players.

If you keep less than six, the only way you can add a sixth keeper is via trade. You may not drop a player until after the draft is complete.

If you do not name your Keepers by the deadline, the commish(s) will choose those for you and they will be final. If you post your Keepers after the deadline but before the commish posts, your Keepers will be honored. Typically the commish(s) will start figuring out uncommitted Keepers as soon as the deadline has passed.

All “un-kept” players will go into the draft. A player MUST be in the NBA database in order to be kept.

The only off-season transactions that will be allowed are trades. No free agents may be picked up after the end of the season. Trades of a player for a draft pick are allowed.

VII Prizes

A fine plaque will be engraved and shipped to the winner courtesy of the previous year's winner. The trophy will be yours to proudly display with your other cherished mementos for 1 year. It will be the winner’s responsibility to engrave it and ship it to the winner. There will be an added nominal fee to help cover expenses related to the engraving and shipping of the plaque.

A separate cash prize pool has also been established. It is strictly voluntary. Only those who participate will be eligible for this prize. $15 USD entry must be paid by the season opener. The exact method of prize distribution will vary from year to year depending on participation. We focus payouts so it will NOT be winner take all. Six owners will have a chance to “win something.” Prize pool funds are due by Opening Night.

2017-2018 Payout has six managers paid:
1st $100
2nd $60
3rd $35
4th $25
5th $20
6th $15
Total Payouts is 19 X $15 = $ 285 ($30 to trophy fund and for Draftime costs)

Ineligible for prize pool:

If any of the non-participants qualify, the prizes will be reallocated by the commissioners. Managers will move up payout position(s) and any remaining funds will go into the trophy fund.

VIII Owners

As commissioners, we reserve the right NOT to extend an invitation to or remove any owner for any reason. Primary reason for being excluded would be abusive behavior (beyond friendly trash talk, harassment), purposeful rules violations (i.e. colluding on a trade), inactivity (i.e. leaving injured players in as starters repeatedly), unresponsive to other owners or commish(s), missing deadlines (i.e. keepers, draft picks, etc.). If an owner is NOT invited back next year. A new owner will be recruited to take over the vacated team in its exact state.

The following managers have had their 2018 draft picks altered via trade:
01-15-17 GO receives Sandforders 1st for his 4th Round (R. Anderson/Biyombo)
10-10-17 GO receives ttucowboy's 1st for his 6th (2017 pick)
10-11-17 bmd receives RSF's 2nd for his 6th (2017 pick)
10-11-17 Meatwads receives ttucowboys' 2nd for his 6th (2017 pick)
10-30-17 bmd receives Species' 1st for his 4th (Collison)

League Champions:

2003 Peter N
2004 A Perfect 10
2005 Twarpy
2006 RecycledSpinalFluid
2007 beastiemiked
2008 beastiemiked
2009 Ref
2010 Pete N.
2011 Pacers Rule
2012 beastiemiked
2013 Great One
2014 WG
2015 Species
2016 Pete N.
2017 RecycledSpinalFluid
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      Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 22:11
[140] Species always put together the draft order grid. I just posted it from a spreadsheet he sent me.

I can probably do it, though, as long as all of the pick trades are listed above.
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      Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 22:20
Honestly I dont know the syntax for posting a spreadsheet. I can do the spreadsheet, if you can do the posting. I will send it tomorrow sometime.

Seems the three references with seven total trades in <114> <115> and <130> are correct and agree with the five in the constitution. So, I will go with the seven as final.
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      Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 23:39
I have started a new pre-season thread. At the top is our constitution, followed by a summary of pertinent information. Consider this thread closed now.
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      Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 23:39
I have started a new pre-season thread. At the top is our constitution, followed by a summary of pertinent information. Consider this thread closed now.
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